Re: [arr] Re: ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality
Thanks Dasun! On 2/2/08, Dasun Abeysekera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Padmini, > > I'm not sure if Chord promised an audio clip, but what I promised was a > write-up on Uyirum Neeye which I did post a few days back. Let me see if I > can get these uploaded to the group database storage. I will just send it to > you in the meantime. > > Arijith, > > Remember that my comparisons were bounded by the time frames I chose. The > question you're posing is > on a open window, but let me address what you are pointing out here. > > Anbe: > Good song, but I didn't think it stood out the first time I heard it. It's > got amazing orchestration for sure. > > Desh Mere: > Soulful, musically, but not daring, I must say. The context of the song, > lyrically, is rebellious of course, which may be what you are pointing out. > > Dacaoit Duel: > I'm ashamed to say, this is one of the albums I'm yet to buy, so I cannot > comment. This too did not qualify because it is for a chinese production, > and not Indian. > > Like an Eagle: > It's got energy for sure, but the singing does not suit the level of > energy needed. Raza Jeffrey and Priya Kalidas had veery pop voices and they > could not really pull off the vocal strength needed for a stage production. > However, it introduced stage drama/musicals to the Indian audience in UK, so > in that sense I can appreciate the effort. Bombay Dreams had pretty average > lyrics to; I always though Don Black could've done better than this. > Sometimes I wonder if he struggled with ARR's mystical approach to composing > on top of the unusually Eastern phrasing styles of ARR. He hints at this in > the recent video which was posted. > > Please Sir: > I tend to skip this song, so I can't say this struck me as innovative. Is > it a new genre, that may have some truth in terms of style, but it is not > striking enough in my view. > > Girlfriend: > Very pop song with lots of appropriate energy given the context, and I > love it; but it is certainly not a Thee Thee or Dil Se Re. > > Dil Se (background score): > Background scores, I left out in the discussion, but Dil Se has some of > the most divine music ARR has created. A different world altogether. The Dil > Se album in its entirety would have easily qualified in this category if it > had not fallen outside the time windows I had defined. > > Innisai: > Again, one of those albums, I'm yet to pick-up. > > Konjum Mainakale: > Beautiful song, I loved Rajeev Menon's picturization as I did all of the > song picturizations of KK, especially the title song. This does not fall in > the original category; the standard I had set for this may be very high that > it is unfair to most songs that would easily qualify as original compared > with other composers' output; but we are talking about ARR's standards! :) > > Vellai Pookkal: > Peace is the word to describe this song; so I can't call it rebellious > from a musical perspective. It's hard to capture a Gandhi in music. :) > > RDB: > Now I must admit, I didn't think about this album at all when I wrote that > article on originality. How I missed this is beyond me, but I did try to be > spontaneous in the spirit of my topic! :) Yes, RDB is all about > rebelliousness and ARR captures that in so many different angles with this > album. Khalbali and Roobaroo would definitely fall in this category, and > Paatshaala to a certain degree as well. Though very contemporary, this album > gives new meaning to what popular music can be by lifting it a notch above > the usual mediocrity. ARR has a very sharp sense for what would become part > of history and he just delivers big time when it comes to movies like this. > Thanks for pointing out that big, big oversight; I did a dis-service to ARR > here. > > O Humdum: > Again, too pop for my category, but like Girlfriend from boys, it has > energy that suits its context. > > Chotta Chotta: > This movie has a few wonderful songs, but I don't have it in my library, > so can't comment on this. That reminds me that I got a lot of shopping to do > including Jodha Akbar, which I absolutely need to buy! > > It's good to see some of you thinking of why you like these songs and what > sort of emotions they evoke within you. My responses are subjective and > should not be taken as final by any means. Let us discuss and debate > because I am learning and expanding as much as you may be. > > Take care, > Dasun > > > > -- > To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:03:58 -0800 > Subject: Re:
RE: [arr] Re: ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality
Padmini, I'm not sure if Chord promised an audio clip, but what I promised was a write-up on Uyirum Neeye which I did post a few days back. Let me see if I can get these uploaded to the group database storage. I will just send it to you in the meantime. Arijith, Remember that my comparisons were bounded by the time frames I chose. The question you're posing is on a open window, but let me address what you are pointing out here. Anbe: Good song, but I didn't think it stood out the first time I heard it. It's got amazing orchestration for sure. Desh Mere: Soulful, musically, but not daring, I must say. The context of the song, lyrically, is rebellious of course, which may be what you are pointing out. Dacaoit Duel: I'm ashamed to say, this is one of the albums I'm yet to buy, so I cannot comment. This too did not qualify because it is for a chinese production, and not Indian. Like an Eagle: It's got energy for sure, but the singing does not suit the level of energy needed. Raza Jeffrey and Priya Kalidas had veery pop voices and they could not really pull off the vocal strength needed for a stage production. However, it introduced stage drama/musicals to the Indian audience in UK, so in that sense I can appreciate the effort. Bombay Dreams had pretty average lyrics to; I always though Don Black could've done better than this. Sometimes I wonder if he struggled with ARR's mystical approach to composing on top of the unusually Eastern phrasing styles of ARR. He hints at this in the recent video which was posted. Please Sir: I tend to skip this song, so I can't say this struck me as innovative. Is it a new genre, that may have some truth in terms of style, but it is not striking enough in my view. Girlfriend: Very pop song with lots of appropriate energy given the context, and I love it; but it is certainly not a Thee Thee or Dil Se Re. Dil Se (background score): Background scores, I left out in the discussion, but Dil Se has some of the most divine music ARR has created. A different world altogether. The Dil Se album in its entirety would have easily qualified in this category if it had not fallen outside the time windows I had defined. Innisai: Again, one of those albums, I'm yet to pick-up. Konjum Mainakale: Beautiful song, I loved Rajeev Menon's picturization as I did all of the song picturizations of KK, especially the title song. This does not fall in the original category; the standard I had set for this may be very high that it is unfair to most songs that would easily qualify as original compared with other composers' output; but we are talking about ARR's standards! :) Vellai Pookkal: Peace is the word to describe this song; so I can't call it rebellious from a musical perspective. It's hard to capture a Gandhi in music. :) RDB: Now I must admit, I didn't think about this album at all when I wrote that article on originality. How I missed this is beyond me, but I did try to be spontaneous in the spirit of my topic! :) Yes, RDB is all about rebelliousness and ARR captures that in so many different angles with this album. Khalbali and Roobaroo would definitely fall in this category, and Paatshaala to a certain degree as well. Though very contemporary, this album gives new meaning to what popular music can be by lifting it a notch above the usual mediocrity. ARR has a very sharp sense for what would become part of history and he just delivers big time when it comes to movies like this. Thanks for pointing out that big, big oversight; I did a dis-service to ARR here. O Humdum: Again, too pop for my category, but like Girlfriend from boys, it has energy that suits its context. Chotta Chotta: This movie has a few wonderful songs, but I don't have it in my library, so can't comment on this. That reminds me that I got a lot of shopping to do including Jodha Akbar, which I absolutely need to buy! It's good to see some of you thinking of why you like these songs and what sort of emotions they evoke within you. My responses are subjective and should not be taken as final by any means. Let us discuss and debate because I am learning and expanding as much as you may be. Take care, Dasun To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 21:03:58 -0800 Subject: Re: [arr] Re: ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality Dasun/ Chord, I think one of you posed an audio piece that was created by you. Can you repost it again? I am not able to find it in my inbox? I hope I am not smoking anything:-) On 2/1/08, Arijit Debnath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Dasun, What is ur feel abt "Anbe idhu" from Rhythm... I think this is also a rebelious song itself after Thee Thee I count this one. Also "Desh mere" is rebelious lyrically and musi
Re: [arr] Re: ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality
Dasun/ Chord, I think one of you posed an audio piece that was created by you. Can you repost it again? I am not able to find it in my inbox? I hope I am not smoking anything:-) On 2/1/08, Arijit Debnath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Hi Dasun, > > What is ur feel abt "Anbe idhu" from Rhythm... I think this is also a > rebelious song itself after Thee Thee I count this one. > Also "Desh mere" is rebelious lyrically and musically too (From TLOBS) > What do u think abt "Dacaoit Duel" from WOHAE? > Like an Eagle from Bombay Dreams > Pls Sir (Boys) is also a new genre itself (may not be a rebel but > musically very new to ear) > Girlfreind (Boys) is defe a rebel song to me!! > Dil se ending score ...true rebelious > innisai (GF)... > Kunjum mainakale (KK) isn't a rebel as a romantic song (I never heard > such romantic rebel before)? > Vellai Pukal... its a rebel song to me with no weapons no noise... rebel > can be done piecefully Rahman roved that > The whole RDB album is rebelious (including awesome BMG) > O humdum (Sathiya) this is another new genre introduced by none other than > Rahman... this is also 1st of its kind > Chotta chotta (Tajmahal)... what a melody and blend of flute... again > never heard this kind of song (if anyone heard anything like this pls let us > know...we will enjoy that too) > > > Till now I remeber these after Thiruda Thiruda (that is the best by Rahman > in my opinion). Anyway new sound or rebel songs will be growing in my list. > > Arijit > > > On 31/01/2008, Dasun Abeysekera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Shah Navas, > > > > Sorry for the delayed reply. From a purely intuitive level, Thamizha > > Thamizha didn't strike me as innovatively original, to qualify my use of the > > term original now. Thee Thee just jumps at you when you listen to it as > > incredibly new...I mean I haven't heard a single song like that since > > then..where the base guitar is used to amazing effect...that was that pure > > daring, rebellious freshness that I was looking for...Dil Se Re perhaps > > comes closest to that kind of in-your-face creativity. I guess there is an > > element of high energy that you look for in things like that, and Thamizha > > Thamizha, though it has energy, is more of a soulful composition than > > energetic. I would love to have another one like Dil Se or Thee Thee where > > you just have to stop everything you do and drop your jaws! :) > > > > You are certainly entitled to your opinion; I hope that clarifies my > > point of view. Good stuff..let's keep expanding. :) > > > > Take care, > > Dasun > > > > -- > > To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:05:32 +0530 > > Subject: Re: [arr] Re: ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality > > > > Dasun says >>Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, > > and Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly crafted > > albums, but, not the most original. > > > > Dasun, > > > > I request you to elaborate on this. I don't have any music knowledge. > > But I see 'Thee Thee' from 'Thiruda Thiruda' and 'Tamizha Tamizha' from > > 'Roja' loosely have the same structure. Both the songs start with a slow > > melody and moves into a contrasting plane with burst of sound and vocals and > > resumes back the melody. > > > > It's like 2 different songs are interwoven into one. Still they convey a > > unified theme. In that sense 'Tamizha Tamizha' is more original to me as > > it's a patriotic song which expresses many moods - hope, anger, motivation, > > depression and the lyrics similarly matches the music or vice versa. > > > > But if you take 'Thee Thee', the doesn't necessarily depict a theme or a > > situation, rather doesn't even match the picturisation. I feel it was more > > of an experiment by Rahman and Manirathnam included the song (like most of > > the times). If you see both these songs in this context 'Tamizha > > Tamizha' is more original. > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 28, 2008 12:28 PM, shanavas.chemmamkuzhi < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Dasun is talking about 92-96 era. Earth released on 98. > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Gomzy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > well I feel thats nonsense. You can s
Re: [arr] Re: ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality
Hi Dasun, What is ur feel abt "Anbe idhu" from Rhythm... I think this is also a rebelious song itself after Thee Thee I count this one. Also "Desh mere" is rebelious lyrically and musically too (From TLOBS) What do u think abt "Dacaoit Duel" from WOHAE? Like an Eagle from Bombay Dreams Pls Sir (Boys) is also a new genre itself (may not be a rebel but musically very new to ear) Girlfreind (Boys) is defe a rebel song to me!! Dil se ending score ...true rebelious innisai (GF)... Kunjum mainakale (KK) isn't a rebel as a romantic song (I never heard such romantic rebel before)? Vellai Pukal... its a rebel song to me with no weapons no noise... rebel can be done piecefully Rahman roved that The whole RDB album is rebelious (including awesome BMG) O humdum (Sathiya) this is another new genre introduced by none other than Rahman... this is also 1st of its kind Chotta chotta (Tajmahal)... what a melody and blend of flute... again never heard this kind of song (if anyone heard anything like this pls let us know...we will enjoy that too) Till now I remeber these after Thiruda Thiruda (that is the best by Rahman in my opinion). Anyway new sound or rebel songs will be growing in my list. Arijit On 31/01/2008, Dasun Abeysekera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Shah Navas, > > Sorry for the delayed reply. From a purely intuitive level, Thamizha > Thamizha didn't strike me as innovatively original, to qualify my use of the > term original now. Thee Thee just jumps at you when you listen to it as > incredibly new...I mean I haven't heard a single song like that since > then..where the base guitar is used to amazing effect...that was that pure > daring, rebellious freshness that I was looking for...Dil Se Re perhaps > comes closest to that kind of in-your-face creativity. I guess there is an > element of high energy that you look for in things like that, and Thamizha > Thamizha, though it has energy, is more of a soulful composition than > energetic. I would love to have another one like Dil Se or Thee Thee where > you just have to stop everything you do and drop your jaws! :) > > You are certainly entitled to your opinion; I hope that clarifies my point > of view. Good stuff..let's keep expanding. :) > > Take care, > Dasun > > ------ > To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:05:32 +0530 > Subject: Re: [arr] Re: ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality > > Dasun says >>Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and > Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly crafted > albums, but, not the most original. > > Dasun, > > I request you to elaborate on this. I don't have any music knowledge. But > I see 'Thee Thee' from 'Thiruda Thiruda' and 'Tamizha Tamizha' from > 'Roja' loosely have the same structure. Both the songs start with a slow > melody and moves into a contrasting plane with burst of sound and vocals and > resumes back the melody. > > It's like 2 different songs are interwoven into one. Still they convey a > unified theme. In that sense 'Tamizha Tamizha' is more original to me as > it's a patriotic song which expresses many moods - hope, anger, motivation, > depression and the lyrics similarly matches the music or vice versa. > > But if you take 'Thee Thee', the doesn't necessarily depict a theme or a > situation, rather doesn't even match the picturisation. I feel it was more > of an experiment by Rahman and Manirathnam included the song (like most of > the times). If you see both these songs in this context 'Tamizha > Tamizha' is more original. > > > > > On Jan 28, 2008 12:28 PM, shanavas.chemmamkuzhi < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dasun is talking about 92-96 era. Earth released on 98. > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Gomzy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > well I feel thats nonsense. You can see his original works in > earth then > > onto lagaan and then upto swades atleast. Not to mention water ! > > > > > On Jan 28, 2008 12:08 PM, : Avinash : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Dasun.. That's really well thought, in depth writeup man. > You > > > really stole my words! :) I was thinking, how to explain 'chord' > > > about defining ARR standards and you perfectly reflected my > > > mind.. :) Keep it flowing.. > > > > > > Thanks.. > > > -Avinash > > > > > > > -- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, Dasun > > > > Abeyseker
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Added to it why not putham puthu boomi vendum & pachai niramey. Even now when you listen to those songs, you feel like the electricity of swades passing in you. ;) On your lines both has energy & ever rocking ;) Regards Pavan Dasun Abeysekera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Shah Navas, Sorry for the delayed reply. From a purely intuitive level, Thamizha Thamizha didn't strike me as innovatively original, to qualify my use of the term original now. Thee Thee just jumps at you when you listen to it as incredibly new...I mean I haven't heard a single song like that since then..where the base guitar is used to amazing effect...that was that pure daring, rebellious freshness that I was looking for...Dil Se Re perhaps comes closest to that kind of in-your-face creativity. I guess there is an element of high energy that you look for in things like that, and Thamizha Thamizha, though it has energy, is more of a soulful composition than energetic. I would love to have another one like Dil Se or Thee Thee where you just have to stop everything you do and drop your jaws! :) You are certainly entitled to your opinion; I hope that clarifies my point of view. Good stuff..let's keep expanding. :) Take care, Dasun - To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:05:32 +0530 Subject: Re: [arr] Re: ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality Dasun says >>Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly crafted albums, but, not the most original. Dasun, I request you to elaborate on this. I don't have any music knowledge. But I see 'Thee Thee' from 'Thiruda Thiruda' and 'Tamizha Tamizha' from 'Roja' loosely have the same structure. Both the songs start with a slow melody and moves into a contrasting plane with burst of sound and vocals and resumes back the melody. It's like 2 different songs are interwoven into one. Still they convey a unified theme. In that sense 'Tamizha Tamizha' is more original to me as it's a patriotic song which expresses many moods - hope, anger, motivation, depression and the lyrics similarly matches the music or vice versa. But if you take 'Thee Thee', the doesn't necessarily depict a theme or a situation, rather doesn't even match the picturisation. I feel it was more of an experiment by Rahman and Manirathnam included the song (like most of the times). If you see both these songs in this context'Tamizha Tamizha' is more original. On Jan 28, 2008 12:28 PM, shanavas.chemmamkuzhi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dasun is talking about 92-96 era. Earth released on 98. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Gomzy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > well I feel thats nonsense. You can see his original works in earth then > onto lagaan and then upto swades atleast. Not to mention water ! > > On Jan 28, 2008 12:08 PM, : Avinash : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Dasun.. That's really well thought, in depth writeup man. You > > really stole my words! :) I was thinking, how to explain 'chord' > > about defining ARR standards and you perfectly reflected my > > mind.. :) Keep it flowing.. > > > > Thanks.. > > -Avinash > > > > -- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , Dasun > > Abeysekera > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Originality > > > > > > The most original songs of the 92-96 era, in my opinion, are Thee > > Thee from Thiruda Thiruda (93) and Mettupodu from Duet (94); and > > their respective albums too can be called the most original from > > ARR's highest creative standpoint. Roja would certainly have to be > > considered original if we compare ARR's originality to the relative > > originality of the musical backdrop of that era, but that is not what > > we are attempting here; I feel that compared with the aforementioned > > albums, Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and > > Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly > > crafted albums, but, not the most original; again, please keep in > > mind that my comparisons are confined to ARR's body of work and not > > extended to any comparison's with the work by any of his composer > > peers. > > > > > > Thiruda Thiruda (93) was a breakthrough album for ARR as he was > > able to match, if not exceed, the expectations surrounding his secon
[arr] Re: ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality
Hi Dasun and all, I found all the discussion very refreshing and of high quality. Pardon my less knowledge of ARR's Tamil projects, i can surely talk about his work in Hindi. In terms of Originality (or in fact Innovativeness) i'll divide his work in two parts of which Mr. ROMEO is the dividing album. 1. From beginning to 1997. 2. From 1998 till now. Let's discuss both parts in detail. [1. From beginning to 1997] According to me, ARR's most hard hitting, innovative, careless (By writing careless i mean knowing no boundaries) music comes from this time span. To be honest his music was more noise than melody during this time (I dare saying this about the legend because i am comparing him with him only, most of other composers hardly even know how to make a good noise, melody is far away from their conception). There are some exceptions though. The song "Kal nahi tha wo kya hai aaj ye" from "VISHWA VIDHATA", i think still stands as ARR's most melodious song ever. [2. From 1998 till now] According to me, ARR earned more respect in this time span, became more responsible, composed maturely, his music made more sense than his earlier work BUT lost innovativeness somewhere. Noise levels were down now and melody started flowing in. There were more expectations from him now and he was expected to make better music than his past. He truly came out as a winner and with every album he made a strong statement that you have to raise your expectations a bit more. Expect the unexpected from the legend. Coming back to the original discussion, i think in recent times "DIL NE JISE APNA KAHA" songs are very refreshing and very different from his other work. MEENAXI, i think is the most innovative, stylish and a stand out performance from the legend after 1997. I hope the discussion goes on. Pravinder. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Dasun Abeysekera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Thanks to all for the responses. Purevibz, you pretty much wrote the prelude to part II of my essay. I agree, innovativeness may have been a better word than originality, because as you would understand from reading the second part, his music still flows from the origin of all life, and therefore it must be original! :) I should've taken my GRESs, and I warned you that I'm still learning too!! lol. I'm glad you understood my point though. Let's keep the discussion going. > > Hail ARR! > Dasun > > To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:15:12 + > Subject: [arr] Re: ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, let me modify my post a bit. Yes, ARR has lost his youth, > > freshness, and reblliousness. I agree with you there. There was an > > energy, innovativeness, and fire to those compositions, which perhaps > > many are missing today. I feel that he has made up for this loss > > through more mature compositional style and craftmanship as well as a > > more refined skill in pure melody and providing more room to the > > lyrics and singer. I don't think he has lost his "originality" in > > the purest of sense, although he is not as innovative as he once > > was. I think there is a difference here. Yes, I have questioned > > some of his choices of sound and arrangements in recent years, but to > > me it's not a loss, it's a choice. With JA, my concerns about sound > > quality were quickly put to ease as this is one of his best sonically > > sounding records. > > > > You have to remember too that music, emotion, and memory are to tied > > in together. Many of us look back on Rahman's music in the early > > days with nostalgia, which is in and of itself a confounding > > variable. > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Chord" wrote: > > > > > > Wonderful essay. Too bad it doesn't change my opinion that ARR has > > > not lost A THING since the beginning. He is just as brilliant and > > > original as before. Let's agree to disagree and move on. > > > > > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Dasun Abeysekera > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Originality > > > > > > > > The most original songs of the 92-96 era, in my opinion, are Thee > > > Thee from Thiruda Thiruda (93) and Mettupodu from Duet (94); and > > > their respective albums too can be called the most original from > > > ARR
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Shah Navas, Sorry for the delayed reply. From a purely intuitive level, Thamizha Thamizha didn't strike me as innovatively original, to qualify my use of the term original now. Thee Thee just jumps at you when you listen to it as incredibly new...I mean I haven't heard a single song like that since then..where the base guitar is used to amazing effect...that was that pure daring, rebellious freshness that I was looking for...Dil Se Re perhaps comes closest to that kind of in-your-face creativity. I guess there is an element of high energy that you look for in things like that, and Thamizha Thamizha, though it has energy, is more of a soulful composition than energetic. I would love to have another one like Dil Se or Thee Thee where you just have to stop everything you do and drop your jaws! :) You are certainly entitled to your opinion; I hope that clarifies my point of view. Good stuff..let's keep expanding. :) Take care, Dasun To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:05:32 +0530 Subject: Re: [arr] Re: ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality Dasun says >>Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly crafted albums, but, not the most original. Dasun, I request you to elaborate on this. I don't have any music knowledge. But I see 'Thee Thee' from 'Thiruda Thiruda' and 'Tamizha Tamizha' from 'Roja' loosely have the same structure. Both the songs start with a slow melody and moves into a contrasting plane with burst of sound and vocals and resumes back the melody. It's like 2 different songs are interwoven into one. Still they convey a unified theme. In that sense 'Tamizha Tamizha' is more original to me as it's a patriotic song which expresses many moods - hope, anger, motivation, depression and the lyrics similarly matches the music or vice versa. But if you take 'Thee Thee', the doesn't necessarily depict a theme or a situation, rather doesn't even match the picturisation. I feel it was more of an experiment by Rahman and Manirathnam included the song (like most of the times). If you see both these songs in this context'Tamizha Tamizha' is more original. On Jan 28, 2008 12:28 PM, shanavas.chemmamkuzhi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dasun is talking about 92-96 era. Earth released on 98. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Gomzy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > well I feel thats nonsense. You can see his original works in earth then > onto lagaan and then upto swades atleast. Not to mention water ! > > On Jan 28, 2008 12:08 PM, : Avinash : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Dasun.. That's really well thought, in depth writeup man. You > > really stole my words! :) I was thinking, how to explain 'chord' > > about defining ARR standards and you perfectly reflected my > > mind.. :) Keep it flowing.. > > > > Thanks.. > > -Avinash > > > > -- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , Dasun > > Abeysekera > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Originality > > > > > > The most original songs of the 92-96 era, in my opinion, are Thee > > Thee from Thiruda Thiruda (93) and Mettupodu from Duet (94); and > > their respective albums too can be called the most original from > > ARR's highest creative standpoint. Roja would certainly have to be > > considered original if we compare ARR's originality to the relative > > originality of the musical backdrop of that era, but that is not what > > we are attempting here; I feel that compared with the aforementioned > > albums, Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and > > Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly > > crafted albums, but, not the most original; again, please keep in > > mind that my comparisons are confined to ARR's body of work and not > > extended to any comparison's with the work by any of his composer > > peers. > > > > > > Thiruda Thiruda (93) was a breakthrough album for ARR as he was > > able to match, if not exceed, the expectations surrounding his second > > post-Illayaraja Mani Ratnam production after Roja, which could not > > have been an easy task for a 25 year old who thought his first movie > > album would be his last! Thee Thee's stunning energy and freshness is > > only the icing on the cake after the beautiful vocal tapestry of > > Raasathi, the operatic gran
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Dasun says >>Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly crafted albums, but, not the most original. Dasun, I request you to elaborate on this. I don't have any music knowledge. But I see 'Thee Thee' from 'Thiruda Thiruda' and 'Tamizha Tamizha' from 'Roja' loosely have the same structure. Both the songs start with a slow melody and moves into a contrasting plane with burst of sound and vocals and resumes back the melody. It's like 2 different songs are interwoven into one. Still they convey a unified theme. In that sense 'Tamizha Tamizha' is more original to me as it's a patriotic song which expresses many moods - hope, anger, motivation, depression and the lyrics similarly matches the music or vice versa. But if you take 'Thee Thee', the doesn't necessarily depict a theme or a situation, rather doesn't even match the picturisation. I feel it was more of an experiment by Rahman and Manirathnam included the song (like most of the times). If you see both these songs in this context 'Tamizha Tamizha' is more original. On Jan 28, 2008 12:28 PM, shanavas.chemmamkuzhi < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dasun is talking about 92-96 era. Earth released on 98. > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , > Gomzy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > well I feel thats nonsense. You can see his original works in > earth then > > onto lagaan and then upto swades atleast. Not to mention water ! > > > > On Jan 28, 2008 12:08 PM, : Avinash : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi Dasun.. That's really well thought, in depth writeup man. > You > > > really stole my words! :) I was thinking, how to explain 'chord' > > > about defining ARR standards and you perfectly reflected my > > > mind.. :) Keep it flowing.. > > > > > > Thanks.. > > > -Avinash > > > > > > -- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, Dasun > > > > Abeysekera > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Originality > > > > > > > > The most original songs of the 92-96 era, in my opinion, are > Thee > > > Thee from Thiruda Thiruda (93) and Mettupodu from Duet (94); and > > > their respective albums too can be called the most original from > > > ARR's highest creative standpoint. Roja would certainly have to > be > > > considered original if we compare ARR's originality to the > relative > > > originality of the musical backdrop of that era, but that is not > what > > > we are attempting here; I feel that compared with the > aforementioned > > > albums, Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, > and > > > Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly > > > crafted albums, but, not the most original; again, please keep in > > > mind that my comparisons are confined to ARR's body of work and > not > > > extended to any comparison's with the work by any of his composer > > > peers. > > > > > > > > Thiruda Thiruda (93) was a breakthrough album for ARR as he was > > > able to match, if not exceed, the expectations surrounding his > second > > > post-Illayaraja Mani Ratnam production after Roja, which could > not > > > have been an easy task for a 25 year old who thought his first > movie > > > album would be his last! Thee Thee's stunning energy and > freshness is > > > only the icing on the cake after the beautiful vocal tapestry of > > > Raasathi, the operatic grandeur of Veerapandi Kottayile, and > barring > > > its close references to Michael Jackson-like dance beats, > > > Chandralekha as well. Duet (94), on the other hand, with an > > > unprecedented use of Kadiri Gopalnath and his saxophone to > showcase > > > Carnatic music, was quite a daringly original attempt for a > movie; to > > > say both maestros pulled it off with shocking success, would be > an > > > understatement. > > > > > > > > So, has there been a song/album of that calibre in recent > times? I > > > think it will be an accurate statement to say that there has not > been > > > a song like Thee Thee or Mettupodu in recent times, certainly > not a > > > conceptually original album of Duet's kind, and most surely not > an > > > album for an Indian movie. Now why could that be? First of all, > as > > > you lose your youthful freshness and become enmeshed in a > system, you > > > lose a significant share of that rebellious spirit. Albert > Einstein > > > said during his latter years when he went on his quest to > discover a > > > Unified Field Theory, how much he wished he had that same > rebellious > > > spirit which fuelled his strength of mind and imaginative powers > to > > > overthrow the revered Laws of Sir Isaac Newton and his universe > of > > > absolute time and space with the new Relativity Theory. > Similarly, in > > > United States presidential politics, Sen. Barack Obama is > touting his > > > freshness in Washington as one of his biggest strengths for > bringing > > > about real change to the country. So, yes, time spent in any > > > enviro
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Thanks to all for the responses. Purevibz, you pretty much wrote the prelude to part II of my essay. I agree, innovativeness may have been a better word than originality, because as you would understand from reading the second part, his music still flows from the origin of all life, and therefore it must be original! :) I should've taken my GRESs, and I warned you that I'm still learning too!! lol. I'm glad you understood my point though. Let's keep the discussion going. Hail ARR! Dasun To: arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:15:12 +0000 Subject: [arr] Re: ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality Actually, let me modify my post a bit. Yes, ARR has lost his youth, freshness, and reblliousness. I agree with you there. There was an energy, innovativeness, and fire to those compositions, which perhaps many are missing today. I feel that he has made up for this loss through more mature compositional style and craftmanship as well as a more refined skill in pure melody and providing more room to the lyrics and singer. I don't think he has lost his "originality" in the purest of sense, although he is not as innovative as he once was. I think there is a difference here. Yes, I have questioned some of his choices of sound and arrangements in recent years, but to me it's not a loss, it's a choice. With JA, my concerns about sound quality were quickly put to ease as this is one of his best sonically sounding records. You have to remember too that music, emotion, and memory are to tied in together. Many of us look back on Rahman's music in the early days with nostalgia, which is in and of itself a confounding variable. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Chord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wonderful essay. Too bad it doesn't change my opinion that ARR has > not lost A THING since the beginning. He is just as brilliant and > original as before. Let's agree to disagree and move on. > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Dasun Abeysekera > wrote: > > > > > > Originality > > > > The most original songs of the 92-96 era, in my opinion, are Thee > Thee from Thiruda Thiruda (93) and Mettupodu from Duet (94); and > their respective albums too can be called the most original from > ARR's highest creative standpoint. Roja would certainly have to be > considered original if we compare ARR's originality to the relative > originality of the musical backdrop of that era, but that is not what > we are attempting here; I feel that compared with the aforementioned > albums, Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and > Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly > crafted albums, but, not the most original; again, please keep in > mind that my comparisons are confined to ARR's body of work and not > extended to any comparison's with the work by any of his composer > peers. > > > > Thiruda Thiruda (93) was a breakthrough album for ARR as he was > able to match, if not exceed, the expectations surrounding his second > post-Illayaraja Mani Ratnam production after Roja, which could not > have been an easy task for a 25 year old who thought his first movie > album would be his last! Thee Thee's stunning energy and freshness is > only the icing on the cake after the beautiful vocal tapestry of > Raasathi, the operatic grandeur of Veerapandi Kottayile, and barring > its close references to Michael Jackson-like dance beats, > Chandralekha as well. Duet (94), on the other hand, with an > unprecedented use of Kadiri Gopalnath and his saxophone to showcase > Carnatic music, was quite a daringly original attempt for a movie; to > say both maestros pulled it off with shocking success, would be an > understatement. > > > > So, has there been a song/album of that calibre in recent times? I > think it will be an accurate statement to say that there has not been > a song like Thee Thee or Mettupodu in recent times, certainly not a > conceptually original album of Duet's kind, and most surely not an > album for an Indian movie. Now why could that be? First of all, as > you lose your youthful freshness and become enmeshed in a system, you > lose a significant share of that rebellious spirit. Albert Einstein > said during his latter years when he went on his quest to discover a > Unified Field Theory, how much he wished he had that same rebellious > spirit which fuelled his strength of mind and imaginative powers to > overthrow the revered Laws of Sir Isaac
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agreed to all your comments Chord; but i think he is still as innovative as he was before. however, i think he used to experiment more with synthesizers\instruments before and now he is considering melody and voices more. Chord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually, let me modify my post a bit. Yes, ARR has lost his youth, freshness, and reblliousness. I agree with you there. There was an energy, innovativeness, and fire to those compositions, which perhaps many are missing today. I feel that he has made up for this loss through more mature compositional style and craftmanship as well as a more refined skill in pure melody and providing more room to the lyrics and singer. I don't think he has lost his "originality" in the purest of sense, although he is not as innovative as he once was. I think there is a difference here. Yes, I have questioned some of his choices of sound and arrangements in recent years, but to me it's not a loss, it's a choice. With JA, my concerns about sound quality were quickly put to ease as this is one of his best sonically sounding records. You have to remember too that music, emotion, and memory are to tied in together. Many of us look back on Rahman's music in the early days with nostalgia, which is in and of itself a confounding variable. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Chord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wonderful essay. Too bad it doesn't change my opinion that ARR has > not lost A THING since the beginning. He is just as brilliant and > original as before. Let's agree to disagree and move on. > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Dasun Abeysekera > wrote: > > > > > > Originality > > > > The most original songs of the 92-96 era, in my opinion, are Thee > Thee from Thiruda Thiruda (93) and Mettupodu from Duet (94); and > their respective albums too can be called the most original from > ARR's highest creative standpoint. Roja would certainly have to be > considered original if we compare ARR's originality to the relative > originality of the musical backdrop of that era, but that is not what > we are attempting here; I feel that compared with the aforementioned > albums, Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and > Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly > crafted albums, but, not the most original; again, please keep in > mind that my comparisons are confined to ARR's body of work and not > extended to any comparison's with the work by any of his composer > peers. > > > > Thiruda Thiruda (93) was a breakthrough album for ARR as he was > able to match, if not exceed, the expectations surrounding his second > post-Illayaraja Mani Ratnam production after Roja, which could not > have been an easy task for a 25 year old who thought his first movie > album would be his last! Thee Thee's stunning energy and freshness is > only the icing on the cake after the beautiful vocal tapestry of > Raasathi, the operatic grandeur of Veerapandi Kottayile, and barring > its close references to Michael Jackson-like dance beats, > Chandralekha as well. Duet (94), on the other hand, with an > unprecedented use of Kadiri Gopalnath and his saxophone to showcase > Carnatic music, was quite a daringly original attempt for a movie; to > say both maestros pulled it off with shocking success, would be an > understatement. > > > > So, has there been a song/album of that calibre in recent times? I > think it will be an accurate statement to say that there has not been > a song like Thee Thee or Mettupodu in recent times, certainly not a > conceptually original album of Duet's kind, and most surely not an > album for an Indian movie. Now why could that be? First of all, as > you lose your youthful freshness and become enmeshed in a system, you > lose a significant share of that rebellious spirit. Albert Einstein > said during his latter years when he went on his quest to discover a > Unified Field Theory, how much he wished he had that same rebellious > spirit which fuelled his strength of mind and imaginative powers to > overthrow the revered Laws of Sir Isaac Newton and his universe of > absolute time and space with the new Relativity Theory. Similarly, in > United States presidential politics, Sen. Barack Obama is touting his > freshness in Washington as one of his biggest strengths for bringing > about real change to the country. So, yes, time spent in any > environment can significantly reduce your capacity for daring and > originality, which is what we are seeing with ARR in India. However, > let us not forget that we owe much of the advancement of the quality > of Indian music to him and let's not be surprised if his most > original work comes from his work abroad because that environment is > still new to him and he has many colors to show to the rest of the > world where he is not yet legend! > > > > > > ___
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Actually, let me modify my post a bit. Yes, ARR has lost his youth, freshness, and reblliousness. I agree with you there. There was an energy, innovativeness, and fire to those compositions, which perhaps many are missing today. I feel that he has made up for this loss through more mature compositional style and craftmanship as well as a more refined skill in pure melody and providing more room to the lyrics and singer. I don't think he has lost his "originality" in the purest of sense, although he is not as innovative as he once was. I think there is a difference here. Yes, I have questioned some of his choices of sound and arrangements in recent years, but to me it's not a loss, it's a choice. With JA, my concerns about sound quality were quickly put to ease as this is one of his best sonically sounding records. You have to remember too that music, emotion, and memory are to tied in together. Many of us look back on Rahman's music in the early days with nostalgia, which is in and of itself a confounding variable. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, "Chord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wonderful essay. Too bad it doesn't change my opinion that ARR has > not lost A THING since the beginning. He is just as brilliant and > original as before. Let's agree to disagree and move on. > > > --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Dasun Abeysekera > wrote: > > > > > > Originality > > > > The most original songs of the 92-96 era, in my opinion, are Thee > Thee from Thiruda Thiruda (93) and Mettupodu from Duet (94); and > their respective albums too can be called the most original from > ARR's highest creative standpoint. Roja would certainly have to be > considered original if we compare ARR's originality to the relative > originality of the musical backdrop of that era, but that is not what > we are attempting here; I feel that compared with the aforementioned > albums, Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and > Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly > crafted albums, but, not the most original; again, please keep in > mind that my comparisons are confined to ARR's body of work and not > extended to any comparison's with the work by any of his composer > peers. > > > > Thiruda Thiruda (93) was a breakthrough album for ARR as he was > able to match, if not exceed, the expectations surrounding his second > post-Illayaraja Mani Ratnam production after Roja, which could not > have been an easy task for a 25 year old who thought his first movie > album would be his last! Thee Thee's stunning energy and freshness is > only the icing on the cake after the beautiful vocal tapestry of > Raasathi, the operatic grandeur of Veerapandi Kottayile, and barring > its close references to Michael Jackson-like dance beats, > Chandralekha as well. Duet (94), on the other hand, with an > unprecedented use of Kadiri Gopalnath and his saxophone to showcase > Carnatic music, was quite a daringly original attempt for a movie; to > say both maestros pulled it off with shocking success, would be an > understatement. > > > > So, has there been a song/album of that calibre in recent times? I > think it will be an accurate statement to say that there has not been > a song like Thee Thee or Mettupodu in recent times, certainly not a > conceptually original album of Duet's kind, and most surely not an > album for an Indian movie. Now why could that be? First of all, as > you lose your youthful freshness and become enmeshed in a system, you > lose a significant share of that rebellious spirit. Albert Einstein > said during his latter years when he went on his quest to discover a > Unified Field Theory, how much he wished he had that same rebellious > spirit which fuelled his strength of mind and imaginative powers to > overthrow the revered Laws of Sir Isaac Newton and his universe of > absolute time and space with the new Relativity Theory. Similarly, in > United States presidential politics, Sen. Barack Obama is touting his > freshness in Washington as one of his biggest strengths for bringing > about real change to the country. So, yes, time spent in any > environment can significantly reduce your capacity for daring and > originality, which is what we are seeing with ARR in India. However, > let us not forget that we owe much of the advancement of the quality > of Indian music to him and let's not be surprised if his most > original work comes from his work abroad because that environment is > still new to him and he has many colors to show to the rest of the > world where he is not yet legend! > > > > > > _ > > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! > > http://biggestloser.msn.com/ > > >
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Wonderful essay. Too bad it doesn't change my opinion that ARR has not lost A THING since the beginning. He is just as brilliant and original as before. Let's agree to disagree and move on. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Dasun Abeysekera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Originality > > The most original songs of the 92-96 era, in my opinion, are Thee Thee from Thiruda Thiruda (93) and Mettupodu from Duet (94); and their respective albums too can be called the most original from ARR's highest creative standpoint. Roja would certainly have to be considered original if we compare ARR's originality to the relative originality of the musical backdrop of that era, but that is not what we are attempting here; I feel that compared with the aforementioned albums, Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly crafted albums, but, not the most original; again, please keep in mind that my comparisons are confined to ARR's body of work and not extended to any comparison's with the work by any of his composer peers. > > Thiruda Thiruda (93) was a breakthrough album for ARR as he was able to match, if not exceed, the expectations surrounding his second post-Illayaraja Mani Ratnam production after Roja, which could not have been an easy task for a 25 year old who thought his first movie album would be his last! Thee Thee's stunning energy and freshness is only the icing on the cake after the beautiful vocal tapestry of Raasathi, the operatic grandeur of Veerapandi Kottayile, and barring its close references to Michael Jackson-like dance beats, Chandralekha as well. Duet (94), on the other hand, with an unprecedented use of Kadiri Gopalnath and his saxophone to showcase Carnatic music, was quite a daringly original attempt for a movie; to say both maestros pulled it off with shocking success, would be an understatement. > > So, has there been a song/album of that calibre in recent times? I think it will be an accurate statement to say that there has not been a song like Thee Thee or Mettupodu in recent times, certainly not a conceptually original album of Duet's kind, and most surely not an album for an Indian movie. Now why could that be? First of all, as you lose your youthful freshness and become enmeshed in a system, you lose a significant share of that rebellious spirit. Albert Einstein said during his latter years when he went on his quest to discover a Unified Field Theory, how much he wished he had that same rebellious spirit which fuelled his strength of mind and imaginative powers to overthrow the revered Laws of Sir Isaac Newton and his universe of absolute time and space with the new Relativity Theory. Similarly, in United States presidential politics, Sen. Barack Obama is touting his freshness in Washington as one of his biggest strengths for bringing about real change to the country. So, yes, time spent in any environment can significantly reduce your capacity for daring and originality, which is what we are seeing with ARR in India. However, let us not forget that we owe much of the advancement of the quality of Indian music to him and let's not be surprised if his most original work comes from his work abroad because that environment is still new to him and he has many colors to show to the rest of the world where he is not yet legend! > > > _ > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! > http://biggestloser.msn.com/ >
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Dasun is talking about 92-96 era. Earth released on 98. --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Gomzy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > well I feel thats nonsense. You can see his original works in earth then > onto lagaan and then upto swades atleast. Not to mention water ! > > On Jan 28, 2008 12:08 PM, : Avinash : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Dasun.. That's really well thought, in depth writeup man. You > > really stole my words! :) I was thinking, how to explain 'chord' > > about defining ARR standards and you perfectly reflected my > > mind.. :) Keep it flowing.. > > > > Thanks.. > > -Avinash > > > > -- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , Dasun > > Abeysekera > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Originality > > > > > > The most original songs of the 92-96 era, in my opinion, are Thee > > Thee from Thiruda Thiruda (93) and Mettupodu from Duet (94); and > > their respective albums too can be called the most original from > > ARR's highest creative standpoint. Roja would certainly have to be > > considered original if we compare ARR's originality to the relative > > originality of the musical backdrop of that era, but that is not what > > we are attempting here; I feel that compared with the aforementioned > > albums, Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and > > Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly > > crafted albums, but, not the most original; again, please keep in > > mind that my comparisons are confined to ARR's body of work and not > > extended to any comparison's with the work by any of his composer > > peers. > > > > > > Thiruda Thiruda (93) was a breakthrough album for ARR as he was > > able to match, if not exceed, the expectations surrounding his second > > post-Illayaraja Mani Ratnam production after Roja, which could not > > have been an easy task for a 25 year old who thought his first movie > > album would be his last! Thee Thee's stunning energy and freshness is > > only the icing on the cake after the beautiful vocal tapestry of > > Raasathi, the operatic grandeur of Veerapandi Kottayile, and barring > > its close references to Michael Jackson-like dance beats, > > Chandralekha as well. Duet (94), on the other hand, with an > > unprecedented use of Kadiri Gopalnath and his saxophone to showcase > > Carnatic music, was quite a daringly original attempt for a movie; to > > say both maestros pulled it off with shocking success, would be an > > understatement. > > > > > > So, has there been a song/album of that calibre in recent times? I > > think it will be an accurate statement to say that there has not been > > a song like Thee Thee or Mettupodu in recent times, certainly not a > > conceptually original album of Duet's kind, and most surely not an > > album for an Indian movie. Now why could that be? First of all, as > > you lose your youthful freshness and become enmeshed in a system, you > > lose a significant share of that rebellious spirit. Albert Einstein > > said during his latter years when he went on his quest to discover a > > Unified Field Theory, how much he wished he had that same rebellious > > spirit which fuelled his strength of mind and imaginative powers to > > overthrow the revered Laws of Sir Isaac Newton and his universe of > > absolute time and space with the new Relativity Theory. Similarly, in > > United States presidential politics, Sen. Barack Obama is touting his > > freshness in Washington as one of his biggest strengths for bringing > > about real change to the country. So, yes, time spent in any > > environment can significantly reduce your capacity for daring and > > originality, which is what we are seeing with ARR in India. However, > > let us not forget that we owe much of the advancement of the quality > > of Indian music to him and let's not be surprised if his most > > original work comes from his work abroad because that environment is > > still new to him and he has many colors to show to the rest of the > > world where he is not yet legend! > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! > > > http://biggestloser.msn.com/ > > > > > > > > > >
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Dasun, Well worded effort in defining Rahman sound. Please do continue. For a long time there was no discussion on the group worth a challange. I do agree with the concern you and Ronojoy have expressed and there is nothing wrong in a healthy debate. It is essential to for all to understand that "critical comments" are not necessarily "bad press". I know there are many in this group who wish to go deep into Rahman's music and search for the specific gems which Rahman is known for. Best regards Dinesh Vaidya Pune --- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Dasun Abeysekera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Originality > > The most original songs of the 92-96 era, in my opinion, are Thee Thee from Thiruda Thiruda (93) and Mettupodu from Duet (94); and their respective albums too can be called the most original from ARR's highest creative standpoint. Roja would certainly have to be
Re: [arr] Re: ARR's Standard Deviation - Part I - Originality
well I feel thats nonsense. You can see his original works in earth then onto lagaan and then upto swades atleast. Not to mention water ! On Jan 28, 2008 12:08 PM, : Avinash : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Dasun.. That's really well thought, in depth writeup man. You > really stole my words! :) I was thinking, how to explain 'chord' > about defining ARR standards and you perfectly reflected my > mind.. :) Keep it flowing.. > > Thanks.. > -Avinash > > -- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com , Dasun > Abeysekera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Originality > > > > The most original songs of the 92-96 era, in my opinion, are Thee > Thee from Thiruda Thiruda (93) and Mettupodu from Duet (94); and > their respective albums too can be called the most original from > ARR's highest creative standpoint. Roja would certainly have to be > considered original if we compare ARR's originality to the relative > originality of the musical backdrop of that era, but that is not what > we are attempting here; I feel that compared with the aforementioned > albums, Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and > Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly > crafted albums, but, not the most original; again, please keep in > mind that my comparisons are confined to ARR's body of work and not > extended to any comparison's with the work by any of his composer > peers. > > > > Thiruda Thiruda (93) was a breakthrough album for ARR as he was > able to match, if not exceed, the expectations surrounding his second > post-Illayaraja Mani Ratnam production after Roja, which could not > have been an easy task for a 25 year old who thought his first movie > album would be his last! Thee Thee's stunning energy and freshness is > only the icing on the cake after the beautiful vocal tapestry of > Raasathi, the operatic grandeur of Veerapandi Kottayile, and barring > its close references to Michael Jackson-like dance beats, > Chandralekha as well. Duet (94), on the other hand, with an > unprecedented use of Kadiri Gopalnath and his saxophone to showcase > Carnatic music, was quite a daringly original attempt for a movie; to > say both maestros pulled it off with shocking success, would be an > understatement. > > > > So, has there been a song/album of that calibre in recent times? I > think it will be an accurate statement to say that there has not been > a song like Thee Thee or Mettupodu in recent times, certainly not a > conceptually original album of Duet's kind, and most surely not an > album for an Indian movie. Now why could that be? First of all, as > you lose your youthful freshness and become enmeshed in a system, you > lose a significant share of that rebellious spirit. Albert Einstein > said during his latter years when he went on his quest to discover a > Unified Field Theory, how much he wished he had that same rebellious > spirit which fuelled his strength of mind and imaginative powers to > overthrow the revered Laws of Sir Isaac Newton and his universe of > absolute time and space with the new Relativity Theory. Similarly, in > United States presidential politics, Sen. Barack Obama is touting his > freshness in Washington as one of his biggest strengths for bringing > about real change to the country. So, yes, time spent in any > environment can significantly reduce your capacity for daring and > originality, which is what we are seeing with ARR in India. However, > let us not forget that we owe much of the advancement of the quality > of Indian music to him and let's not be surprised if his most > original work comes from his work abroad because that environment is > still new to him and he has many colors to show to the rest of the > world where he is not yet legend! > > > > > > __ > > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! > > http://biggestloser.msn.com/ > > > > >
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Hi Dasun.. That's really well thought, in depth writeup man. You really stole my words! :) I was thinking, how to explain 'chord' about defining ARR standards and you perfectly reflected my mind.. :) Keep it flowing.. Thanks.. -Avinash -- In arrahmanfans@yahoogroups.com, Dasun Abeysekera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Originality > > The most original songs of the 92-96 era, in my opinion, are Thee Thee from Thiruda Thiruda (93) and Mettupodu from Duet (94); and their respective albums too can be called the most original from ARR's highest creative standpoint. Roja would certainly have to be considered original if we compare ARR's originality to the relative originality of the musical backdrop of that era, but that is not what we are attempting here; I feel that compared with the aforementioned albums, Roja, along with the likes of Puthiya Mugham, Uzhavan, and Bombay would qualify as some of the most soulful and brilliantly crafted albums, but, not the most original; again, please keep in mind that my comparisons are confined to ARR's body of work and not extended to any comparison's with the work by any of his composer peers. > > Thiruda Thiruda (93) was a breakthrough album for ARR as he was able to match, if not exceed, the expectations surrounding his second post-Illayaraja Mani Ratnam production after Roja, which could not have been an easy task for a 25 year old who thought his first movie album would be his last! Thee Thee's stunning energy and freshness is only the icing on the cake after the beautiful vocal tapestry of Raasathi, the operatic grandeur of Veerapandi Kottayile, and barring its close references to Michael Jackson-like dance beats, Chandralekha as well. Duet (94), on the other hand, with an unprecedented use of Kadiri Gopalnath and his saxophone to showcase Carnatic music, was quite a daringly original attempt for a movie; to say both maestros pulled it off with shocking success, would be an understatement. > > So, has there been a song/album of that calibre in recent times? I think it will be an accurate statement to say that there has not been a song like Thee Thee or Mettupodu in recent times, certainly not a conceptually original album of Duet's kind, and most surely not an album for an Indian movie. Now why could that be? First of all, as you lose your youthful freshness and become enmeshed in a system, you lose a significant share of that rebellious spirit. Albert Einstein said during his latter years when he went on his quest to discover a Unified Field Theory, how much he wished he had that same rebellious spirit which fuelled his strength of mind and imaginative powers to overthrow the revered Laws of Sir Isaac Newton and his universe of absolute time and space with the new Relativity Theory. Similarly, in United States presidential politics, Sen. Barack Obama is touting his freshness in Washington as one of his biggest strengths for bringing about real change to the country. So, yes, time spent in any environment can significantly reduce your capacity for daring and originality, which is what we are seeing with ARR in India. However, let us not forget that we owe much of the advancement of the quality of Indian music to him and let's not be surprised if his most original work comes from his work abroad because that environment is still new to him and he has many colors to show to the rest of the world where he is not yet legend! > > > _ > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! > http://biggestloser.msn.com/ >
