Re: ARS Wiki

2012-11-02 Thread David M. Clark
Just curious... anyone here remember being asked their opinion on this change 
in format prior to them doing it?  That would seem like a good idea.

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 10:34 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki

**
As I said. I prefer the OLD PDF documentation.

Dave


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patrick zandi
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 11:32 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki
** Dave:
the new problem is the references in the PDF's point to links on the internet.. 
 =8^ P
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Shellman, David 
dave.shell...@te.commailto:dave.shell...@te.com wrote:
**
I prefer the old PDF documentation.  Note that on our servers, browser access 
to the Internet is blocked.  So to access any external documentation is a 
multistep process.

I can have the PDF's saved locally on our server that I can open.  Or I can 
store them on my iPad to view.

In each case I don't have to go searching for anything.  It's in one place and 
clearly identified by name.

Dave

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Warren R. 
Baltimore II
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 10:52 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki
**
I get the sharing aspect of it, but the problem is that it is neither intuitive 
or fully baked (a BMC specialty if you ask me).  It shouldn't take me an hour 
to find documentation and finally have to submit a helpdesk ticket to do so.  
And then, they send me the wrong thing because obviously, they are working with 
the same system (to their credit!) and can't find the right stuff either!

I mentioned to a friend that when I go looking for docs anymore, I feel a 
little like Indiana Jones trying to find some weird artifact deep in the bowels 
of some dangerous tomb

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Drew Shuller 
drew.shul...@gmail.commailto:drew.shul...@gmail.com wrote:
** Hi Warren. The Wiki takes some getting used to. I agree, it's painful, but 
it's very useful.

I'll be reading something one day and then won't be able to find it a couple of 
days later. And, they seem to be adding things as we go along. I swear, there 
has been very useful information about 8.0 added in the last two weeks, after I 
started the ITSM install process. Some of the 8.0 information still refers to 
7.6.4, and sometimes the information isn't where you would think it should be. 
I wish the website ran faster. I do miss the Master Index.

But overall it's a good resource. You can add pages or entire sections to your 
favorites section on the Dashboard, which is a lifesaver for me. You can leave 
a comment on any particular page, which is a huge plus. You can see the change 
history of a page. You can generate a pdf or Office document of any page, or 
forward a page via email. So it's a living breathing set of documents that BMC 
seems to be updating regularly.

Drew
JTF-Bravo, Honduras _attend WWRUG12 www.wwrug.comhttp://www.wwrug.com 
ARSlist: Where the Answers Are_



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Re: ARS Wiki

2012-11-02 Thread David M. Clark
ARS 8 was released September 20, correct?  So asking for opinions on the change 
a month later at RUG isn't what I'm suggesting.  I'm asking if proper 
consultation with the developer community... the primary users of such 
documentation... was held prior to making the decision.  Apparently not, given 
the current discussion.

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 11:30 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki

**
AT WWRUG12, BMC/Remedy was formally asking people's opinions of the new 
documentation.   Any one could schedule time to sit with the developers and 
discuss.

Dave


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David M. Clark
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:27 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki
**
Just curious... anyone here remember being asked their opinion on this change 
in format prior to them doing it?  That would seem like a good idea.

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG]mailto:[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of 
Shellman, David
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 10:34 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki

**
As I said. I prefer the OLD PDF documentation.

Dave


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
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patrick zandi
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 11:32 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki
** Dave:
the new problem is the references in the PDF's point to links on the internet.. 
 =8^ P
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Shellman, David 
dave.shell...@te.commailto:dave.shell...@te.com wrote:
**
I prefer the old PDF documentation.  Note that on our servers, browser access 
to the Internet is blocked.  So to access any external documentation is a 
multistep process.

I can have the PDF's saved locally on our server that I can open.  Or I can 
store them on my iPad to view.

In each case I don't have to go searching for anything.  It's in one place and 
clearly identified by name.

Dave

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Warren R. 
Baltimore II
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 10:52 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki
**
I get the sharing aspect of it, but the problem is that it is neither intuitive 
or fully baked (a BMC specialty if you ask me).  It shouldn't take me an hour 
to find documentation and finally have to submit a helpdesk ticket to do so.  
And then, they send me the wrong thing because obviously, they are working with 
the same system (to their credit!) and can't find the right stuff either!

I mentioned to a friend that when I go looking for docs anymore, I feel a 
little like Indiana Jones trying to find some weird artifact deep in the bowels 
of some dangerous tomb

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Drew Shuller 
drew.shul...@gmail.commailto:drew.shul...@gmail.com wrote:
** Hi Warren. The Wiki takes some getting used to. I agree, it's painful, but 
it's very useful.

I'll be reading something one day and then won't be able to find it a couple of 
days later. And, they seem to be adding things as we go along. I swear, there 
has been very useful information about 8.0 added in the last two weeks, after I 
started the ITSM install process. Some of the 8.0 information still refers to 
7.6.4, and sometimes the information isn't where you would think it should be. 
I wish the website ran faster. I do miss the Master Index.

But overall it's a good resource. You can add pages or entire sections to your 
favorites section on the Dashboard, which is a lifesaver for me. You can leave 
a comment on any particular page, which is a huge plus. You can see the change 
history of a page. You can generate a pdf or Office document of any page, or 
forward a page via email. So it's a living breathing set of documents that BMC 
seems to be updating regularly.

Drew
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Re: ARS Wiki

2012-11-02 Thread David M. Clark
Something about Colbert and bears comes to mind...

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 11:41 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki

**
As with many things I am sure that there were discussions.  How large of a 
community I'm not sure.

Look at how much knowledge is derived from Wikipedia these days.

Dave


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David M. Clark
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:38 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki
**
ARS 8 was released September 20, correct?  So asking for opinions on the change 
a month later at RUG isn't what I'm suggesting.  I'm asking if proper 
consultation with the developer community... the primary users of such 
documentation... was held prior to making the decision.  Apparently not, given 
the current discussion.

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG]mailto:[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of 
Shellman, David
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 11:30 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki

**
AT WWRUG12, BMC/Remedy was formally asking people's opinions of the new 
documentation.   Any one could schedule time to sit with the developers and 
discuss.

Dave


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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG]mailto:[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of 
David M. Clark
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:27 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki
**
Just curious... anyone here remember being asked their opinion on this change 
in format prior to them doing it?  That would seem like a good idea.

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG]mailto:[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of 
Shellman, David
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 10:34 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki

**
As I said. I prefer the OLD PDF documentation.

Dave


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG]mailto:[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of 
patrick zandi
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 11:32 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki
** Dave:
the new problem is the references in the PDF's point to links on the internet.. 
 =8^ P
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Shellman, David 
dave.shell...@te.commailto:dave.shell...@te.com wrote:
**
I prefer the old PDF documentation.  Note that on our servers, browser access 
to the Internet is blocked.  So to access any external documentation is a 
multistep process.

I can have the PDF's saved locally on our server that I can open.  Or I can 
store them on my iPad to view.

In each case I don't have to go searching for anything.  It's in one place and 
clearly identified by name.

Dave

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Warren R. 
Baltimore II
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 10:52 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki
**
I get the sharing aspect of it, but the problem is that it is neither intuitive 
or fully baked (a BMC specialty if you ask me).  It shouldn't take me an hour 
to find documentation and finally have to submit a helpdesk ticket to do so.  
And then, they send me the wrong thing because obviously, they are working with 
the same system (to their credit!) and can't find the right stuff either!

I mentioned to a friend that when I go looking for docs anymore, I feel a 
little like Indiana Jones trying to find some weird artifact deep in the bowels 
of some dangerous tomb

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Drew Shuller 
drew.shul...@gmail.commailto:drew.shul...@gmail.com wrote:
** Hi Warren. The Wiki takes some getting used to. I agree, it's painful, but 
it's very useful.

I'll be reading something one day and then won't be able to find it a couple of 
days later. And, they seem to be adding things as we go along. I swear, there 
has been very useful information about 8.0 added in the last two weeks, after I 
started the ITSM install process. Some of the 8.0 information still refers to 
7.6.4, and sometimes the information isn't where you would think it should be. 
I wish the website ran faster. I do miss the Master Index.

But overall it's a good resource. You can add pages or entire sections to your 
favorites section on the Dashboard, which is a lifesaver for me. You can leave 
a comment on any particular page, which is a huge plus. You can see the change 
history of a page. You can generate a pdf or Office document of any page

Re: ARS Wiki

2012-11-02 Thread David M. Clark
Sadly a lot of Remedy power users cannot attend RUGS.
Dropping a note here would seem a good idea.  Always a chance that I missed one 
of course.  If so, my apologies.

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Peters, Ron
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 11:40 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki

**
FYI, the wiki documentation was demonstrated at WWRUG11. It looked pretty cool 
at the demonstration and since we're not on V8 I haven't had the need to use 
the real thing yet.

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David M. Clark
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 9:38 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki

**
ARS 8 was released September 20, correct?  So asking for opinions on the change 
a month later at RUG isn't what I'm suggesting.  I'm asking if proper 
consultation with the developer community... the primary users of such 
documentation... was held prior to making the decision.  Apparently not, given 
the current discussion.

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellman, David
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 11:30 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki

**
AT WWRUG12, BMC/Remedy was formally asking people's opinions of the new 
documentation.   Any one could schedule time to sit with the developers and 
discuss.

Dave


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David M. Clark
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:27 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki
**
Just curious... anyone here remember being asked their opinion on this change 
in format prior to them doing it?  That would seem like a good idea.

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG]mailto:[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of 
Shellman, David
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 10:34 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki

**
As I said. I prefer the OLD PDF documentation.

Dave


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patrick zandi
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 11:32 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki
** Dave:
the new problem is the references in the PDF's point to links on the internet.. 
 =8^ P
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Shellman, David 
dave.shell...@te.commailto:dave.shell...@te.com wrote:
**
I prefer the old PDF documentation.  Note that on our servers, browser access 
to the Internet is blocked.  So to access any external documentation is a 
multistep process.

I can have the PDF's saved locally on our server that I can open.  Or I can 
store them on my iPad to view.

In each case I don't have to go searching for anything.  It's in one place and 
clearly identified by name.

Dave

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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Warren R. 
Baltimore II
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 10:52 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki
**
I get the sharing aspect of it, but the problem is that it is neither intuitive 
or fully baked (a BMC specialty if you ask me).  It shouldn't take me an hour 
to find documentation and finally have to submit a helpdesk ticket to do so.  
And then, they send me the wrong thing because obviously, they are working with 
the same system (to their credit!) and can't find the right stuff either!

I mentioned to a friend that when I go looking for docs anymore, I feel a 
little like Indiana Jones trying to find some weird artifact deep in the bowels 
of some dangerous tomb

On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Drew Shuller 
drew.shul...@gmail.commailto:drew.shul...@gmail.com wrote:
** Hi Warren. The Wiki takes some getting used to. I agree, it's painful, but 
it's very useful.

I'll be reading something one day and then won't be able to find it a couple of 
days later. And, they seem to be adding things as we go along. I swear, there 
has been very useful information about 8.0 added in the last two weeks, after I 
started the ITSM install process. Some of the 8.0 information still refers to 
7.6.4, and sometimes the information isn't where you would think it should be. 
I wish the website ran faster. I do miss the Master Index.

But overall it's a good resource. You can add pages or entire sections to your 
favorites section on the Dashboard, which is a lifesaver for me. You can leave 
a comment on any particular page, which is a huge plus. You can see the change 
history of a page. You can

Re: ARS Wiki

2012-11-02 Thread David M. Clark
Get over it?  Nice.  Exactly the kind of customer service we've come to expect. 
 I don't see this as being nearly so traumatic as the weaning process from the 
printed books was to many people.  I'm just observing that the change seems to 
be problematic and semi-traumatic to our early-adopters here, hence the general 
tone of the thread.  If this list is an important source for the exchange of 
ideas within the developer community, I still ask if the concept was ever 
floated here prior to implementation.  Again, if I missed that thread... my 
apologies.  I'm wagering that the positive feedback for use of the Wiki format 
would have been limited.

I used the books.  I used the PDFs.  I'll use the Wiki.  I'll use the chip 
implanted into my skull when the time comes.

-D

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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:05 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki

**
Allow me to summarize: Get Over It! (David Easter may need to add a new verse 
to his song).

I first encountered the wiki form of documentation for ADDM, and it never 
seemed to match the system,
But that was maintenance no wiki per se at issue.

The folks working on the Wiki documentation were at the BMC booth last year at 
WWRUG11.

Wiki: better for searching when you don't know where something is
Pdf: Better for reading about a specific topic when you do know where it is and 
for not being on-line

Is there a way to take the Wiki stuff off line to my iPad or laptop?
Convert to .pdf constantly blows up when I try it

Lol Daniel

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Mueller, Doug
Sent: November 2, 2012 12:52 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki

**
David,

Let's see...

BMC discussed the idea of changing to wiki based documentation at WWRUG 2011 in 
the general session (I
know because I discussed it).  And, this has been talked about in User Groups 
and other gatherings in the
year since then.

BMC has some products that are using wiki based documentation - the ADDM 
product for example - and
have been for several years and have gotten a lot of positive customer feedback 
on the concept.

BMC did have discussions with various advisory boards and customers in general 
about the concept of moving
to a new approach for documentation and received pretty much universal comments 
that a move to a more
interactive approach that is available from anywhere, can be linked easily, can 
be commented on and updated
quickly was a good approach to take.

No, BMC did not talk with every customer individually about the change, but 
there was over a year of prior
discussion that there was going to be a change and there was exploration of the 
topic with many customers
well in advance of any move.

Yes this is different (and I am someone who loves books and want the paper in 
my hands and refuses to use
electronic books of any form).  There is a different feel and there is a 
different interaction paradigm.

There have been several comments from folks where there have been problems 
interacting with the docs.  If
you have comments/suggestions about specific data or specific pages, definitely 
use the comments section
and as has been shared, the doc team is actively watching and responding to 
comments.  If there are larger
issues like general navigation concerns or problems getting to functions like 
printing, just include a note in your
posting that you would be willing to talk with the doc team about your 
experience and I am sure that I can
have someone in contact with you to listen to your feedback (just like there 
was a team at WWRUG 2012 to
do just that) and see if there isn't something more generic that can be changed.

Overall, the idea of online doc, more wiki style is a style of documentation 
that more and more customers are
asking for and expecting.  There was a similar reaction to the change from 
printed documents to on-line only
documents that happened 5 to 7 years ago.

If you are having challenges, please leave comments or volunteer to have a 
discussion with the doc team so
they can provide the best doc experience possible.

Doug Mueller

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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 9:38 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARS Wiki

**
ARS 8 was released September 20, correct?  So asking for opinions on the change 
a month later at RUG isn't what I'm suggesting.  I'm asking if proper 
consultation with the developer community... the primary users of such 
documentation... was held prior to making the decision.  Apparently not, given 
the current discussion.

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Sent: Friday

Re: Migrator question...

2012-10-31 Thread David M. Clark
And you'll get to keep your Modified Dates accurate.  Migrator resets them on 
your target server to the date of the move, which is still questionable policy 
IMO.

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I just copy over the DB. It is faster. You just need to run the installer of 
the ARS version of your choice and make sure you select upgrade. 
Always done it and still doing it now with 7.6.04

Thank you,

Pascale Sterrett

Kenavo ar wech all




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Re: ARERR 300 Malloc failed on server

2012-10-25 Thread David M. Clark
I once forgot to give Public access rights (as in anyone can write to it) to a 
field on a backend form that I had written and the error only manifested itself 
as a malloc error.  Bothersome is a good word for not receiving any sort of 
error message related to access rights, but when the rights were granted... the 
malloc error vanished.  Took a while to find that one.  I suspect the loop of 
running a table to perform the write was involved in the memory usage.  Things 
just piled up until it was malloc time.  Sadly everyone who had tested the app 
was using an Admin ID for some reason.
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[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jason Miller
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 4:03 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARERR 300 Malloc failed on server

** HI David,

Can you give us some more detail on what it means when access rights to a 
newly-created field are not properly defined?  It is a bit bothersome to think 
1) a lack of permissions can cause memory issues 2) that it is easy to not 
properly define a field which would cause memory issues.

Jason

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 1:42 PM, David M. Clark 
david.m.cl...@tn.govmailto:david.m.cl...@tn.gov wrote:
We are getting this error intermittently over the past couple of weeks
Have you recently customized anything in that area?  I've seen this happen when 
access rights to a newly-created field are not properly defined.

-D

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Longwing, 
LJ CTR MDA/IC
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:31 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARERR 300 Malloc failed on server

Ken,
It sounds like your arserver was bouncing up against a upper memory limit.  
This can happen sometimes with memory leaks that don't properly release memory 
once used.  A restart of the service brings the system back down to initial 
minimums of startup.  You may want to make sure that you are on the most recent 
patch of 7.5 to ensure that any known issues are taken care of properly.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Cecil, Ken
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:42 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: ARERR 300 Malloc failed on server

**

We are getting this error intermittently over the past couple of weeks. The 
most consistent time it is occurring is when trying to attach a largish 
attachment (around 4MB). Some have also received it when trying to open an 
attachment. Yesterday for awhile we were getting the error anytime the SDA's 
were trying to attach any attachment to an Incident. I ended up restarting the 
ar server service.



Has anybody run across something similar? (Arerr 300 when working with 
attachments)



I have a support request in with BMC and waiting for a reply. The KB articles I 
found did not seem to apply.





Thanks





Ken Cecil

574-283-4248tel:574-283-4248

kce...@hubbell.commailto:kce...@hubbell.com





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ITSM 7.6

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Re: You need to VOTE on the thread: Bring back the ARSList MVP for 2013

2012-10-24 Thread David M. Clark
I would reply in the affirmative, but I hate spam.

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Susan Palmer
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:36 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: You need to VOTE on the thread: Bring back the ARSList MVP for 2013

**
Our goal is 1,000 votes.  We are VERY SHORT of that number.  Sadly this is 
reflecting what was seen by Dan during the actual MVP voting this year.

If you want the ARSList MVP award to continue reply to the Bring back the 
ARSList MVP for 2013 thread.  You only need to hit reply, enter YES in the 
body and send.  Of course you're welcome to give  an opinion but don't feel 
obligated to confess that you didn't vote this year.

Thanks,
Susan
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Re: ARERR 300 Malloc failed on server

2012-10-24 Thread David M. Clark
We are getting this error intermittently over the past couple of weeks

Have you recently customized anything in that area?  I've seen this happen when 
access rights to a newly-created field are not properly defined.

-D

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Longwing, LJ CTR MDA/IC
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:31 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: ARERR 300 Malloc failed on server

Ken,
It sounds like your arserver was bouncing up against a upper memory limit.  
This can happen sometimes with memory leaks that don't properly release memory 
once used.  A restart of the service brings the system back down to initial 
minimums of startup.  You may want to make sure that you are on the most recent 
patch of 7.5 to ensure that any known issues are taken care of properly.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Cecil, Ken
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:42 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: ARERR 300 Malloc failed on server

** 

We are getting this error intermittently over the past couple of weeks. The 
most consistent time it is occurring is when trying to attach a largish 
attachment (around 4MB). Some have also received it when trying to open an 
attachment. Yesterday for awhile we were getting the error anytime the SDA's 
were trying to attach any attachment to an Incident. I ended up restarting the 
ar server service.

 

Has anybody run across something similar? (Arerr 300 when working with 
attachments)

 

I have a support request in with BMC and waiting for a reply. The KB articles I 
found did not seem to apply.

 

 

Thanks

 

 

Ken Cecil

574-283-4248

kce...@hubbell.com

 

 

AR 7.5

ITSM 7.6

Windows 2003 Enterprise 64bit

SQL 2008






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Re: WWRUG specials is an infringement on Vendors that do go, unless the Vendor was there

2012-10-22 Thread David M. Clark
From looking back over the notes, I think technically Dan drew first blood.  
Granted I'm doing some statistical work today, so I'm a little drowsey.

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Susan Palmer
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 1:54 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: WWRUG specials is an infringement on Vendors that do go, unless 
the Vendor was there

**
John,

From a 'customer' perspective, I'd recommend you stop the replies to the list. 
 This is not a positive image for your company or product.

Susan Palmer
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 1:10 PM, John Baker 
jba...@javasystemsolutions.commailto:jba...@javasystemsolutions.com wrote:
Dan,

I sent two vendors to RUG with lots of information for those who popped by 
their stands :) You'll be banning Christmas next. If the subject line contains 
(adv), you don't have to read it. And I really have no idea what you're 
wittering on about legal issues. You're funny :)


John

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Re: ITSM Suite 8.0.00 (including AR System 8.0.00) has reached General Availability

2012-09-24 Thread David M. Clark
In before the first job posting requiring 5+ years experience with AR System 
8.0.00.


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Easter, David
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2012 10:40 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: ITSM Suite 8.0.00 (including AR System 8.0.00) has reached General 
Availability

The announcement is stuck in the back office for some reason, but version 
8.0.00 of the ITSM Suite (including the applications within the Suite) reached 
General Availability on 21 September 2012 (last Friday).

The links to What's New Enhancements in version 
8.0.00https://docs.bmc.com/docs/display/itsm80/Enhancements+in+version+8.0.00 
are now available for those with Support ID's.

-David J. Easter
Manager of Product Management, AR System
BSM  Atrium Solutions Management
BMC Software, Inc.

The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed in this 
E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc.  My voluntary 
participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a spokesperson, 
liaison or public relations representative for BMC Software, Inc.

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Remedy Developer Opening! - Washington, DC

2012-09-11 Thread David M. Clark
Because once upon a time a hiring manager didn't call me because he needed 
someone with experience in WordPerfect 5.0, and my resume said WordPerfect 
5.1... and I'm still bitter.  That's why.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Longwing, LJ CTR MDA/IC
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:38 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Remedy Developer Opening! - Washington, DC

Come on guys, every single time someone posts to the list they say something 
like

5 years experience with 7.6.04

While, if you read it at face value isn't possible, but we all know what they 
mean is that they want someone with 5+ years experience with Remedy, and 
related experience with the latest version (7.6.04)why do we as a list find 
it necessary to re-hash this, what seems like every time?  We all know what is 
meant, and we can't educate EVERY single hiring manager and head hunter out 
there...

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Stroud, Natalie K
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 5:22 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Remedy Developer Opening! - Washington, DC

** 

Gee, they must want only people who worked for BMC on 7.6 prior to it being 
released and who have worked on only 7.6 implementations since that time 
chuckle.  Which means there might be oh, maybe 1 person on the entire planet 
who fits that criteria.  

 

Though I have to confess to being skeptical about whether even that would 
result in the requested 5+ years of 7.6 experience, software development cycles 
being what they are these days.

 

I think this is definitely a case of a...shall we say - confusing - 
requirement.  I find myself wanting to be very tongue-in-cheek with my next 
comment, but for the sake our Listers who don't speak English as their primary 
language, I shall refrain.  Doug Mueller's recent reminder about list etiquette 
is ringing in my ears.

 

Cheers,

 

Natalie Stroud

SAIC @ Sandia National Laboratories

ARS-ITSM Tester

Albuquerque, NM USA

nkst...@sandia.gov mailto:nkst...@sandia.gov 

ITSM 7.6.04 SP2 - Windows 2008 - SQL Server 2008

 

 

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Rick Cook
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 2:15 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Remedy Developer Opening! - Washington, DC

 

** 

Yeah, but anyone with 5+ years of experience in a version that has only been 
released for about half that time should be just fine!

Rick

On Sep 10, 2012 3:47 PM, Tauf Chowdhury taufc...@gmail.com wrote:

** 

Man.. 7.6.03? Gluttons for punishment. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 10, 2012, at 3:45 PM, Brandon D. Nelson bnel...@apexsystemsinc.com 
wrote:

** 

All,

 

Apex Systems, the nation's 3rd largest IT Staffing Firm, has an 
opportunity for a Senior Remedy Developer / Consultant for a 6+ month 
engagement located in Washington, DC (within walking distance from the Navy 
Yard Metro Station on the Green Line).  Our client, a mid-sized government 
integrator, is in the beginning stages of implementing the following modules on 
Remedy 7.6.3:  Service Desk/Incident and Problem Management, Change/Release 
Management, Service Request Management, and Configuration Management Database 
Management).

 

**All candidates must be able to obtain and maintain a Public Trust 
Clearance**

 

If interested in any Remedy Developer opportunities in the DC or 
Northern Virginia areas, please send a Word resume to Brandon Nelson, Technical 
Recruiter, at bnel...@apexsystemsinc.com.

 

Full Sr. Remedy Developer Job Description 

We are currently seeking a Senior Remedy System Developer to complement 
our IT Shared Service Management development team to support project 
activities. Candidate must be able to analyze, design and code enhancements 
from business defined requirements. Also, be able to collaborate with internal 
and external resources, team player and must be able to effectively communicate 
to technical and non-technical business groups. The selected Senior Remedy 
Developer will work with the implementation of the Remedy Service Level 
Management module based upon industry leading practices; configuration; and 
integration with other customized Remedy modules to include Incident, Problem, 
and Change. High Level Task Description

Job Requirements for Sr. Remedy Developer: 

* 5+ years' experience with Remedy ITSM v7.6.x

* 5+ years' experience in Database Management -SQL. Proficient 
in BMC ITSM Suite of Applications - Service Desk/Incident  Problem Management, 
Change  Release Management 7.6.3, Service Request Management, and 
Configuration Management Database Management (CMDB) 

* Expert 

Re: Building A Custom Application (Just Checking)

2012-08-16 Thread David M. Clark
If you're into prototyping, sure... why not?  I hear that's part of agile 
development now.


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Robert Heverley
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 1:06 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Building A Custom Application (Just Checking)

** Hello Listers,

I just want to know your opinion on something. If you were handed a bunch of 
screenshots, could you build an application..?? Thank you..!!

Robert Heverley
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Re: Building A Custom Application (Just Checking)

2012-08-16 Thread David M. Clark
I've written several applications from elaborate requirements documents that 
make no reference whatsoever as to what the finished app should look like.  
Screenshots only would be a refreshing change compared to that.


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Susan Palmer
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 1:53 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Building A Custom Application (Just Checking)

**
Oh yea 'agile' development ... went through that here a few years back  it 
was not a pleasant experience on the Remedy side especially if you like to do 
your work once with maybe occasional changes.

You all overlooked something even more basic than not knowing what the 
processes are required behind the field for workflow ... what's the character 
length?

I love custom applications (mine) but I can tell you that after 10 years of 
working in it from birth to current I would love to rewrite it and take out all 
the 'stuff' everyone had to have 'right now'.  After a while it's very hard to 
extract things that don't get used.  And, there never seems to be the time!

Susan
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 1:32 PM, David M. Clark 
david.m.cl...@tn.govmailto:david.m.cl...@tn.gov wrote:
**
If you're into prototyping, sure... why not?  I hear that's part of agile 
development now.


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Robert 
Heverley
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 1:06 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Building A Custom Application (Just Checking)

** Hello Listers,

I just want to know your opinion on something. If you were handed a bunch of 
screenshots, could you build an application..?? Thank you..!!

Robert Heverley
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Remedy Object Name Extraction Widgets

2012-08-03 Thread David M. Clark
Two-part question here:

1st... Does anyone know of a quick way to extract JUST THE NAMES of all objects 
on a Remedy server? (i.e. Forms, Active Links, Filters, etc.)  Please tell me 
that I don't have to manually extract them from a DEF file or type them all.  
(Please.)  My preference is to be able to isolate this by application rather 
than an entire server dump.

2nd... I have been asked to consider Remedy in terms of widgets as we move to 
agile development.  The first step in that is to define widget as it 
relates to Remedy development.  My thought is that object = widget, though an 
argument could be made that all actions within objects that support forms could 
be defined as such.  Any thoughts on this or insight on past experience in this 
process would be appreciated.

Thanks,

-David

AR System 6.03.00 patch 017, Sun OS 5.9, Oracle 10.1.0.2.0-64bi
(Yes I know we need to upgrade.  That ship has sailed.)

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Re: Can we change char size of Organisation field across ITSM

2012-07-13 Thread David M. Clark
Any chance that you could export the forms to a DEF file, manually edit the DEF 
file to reflect the changes you desire, then import the edited DEF file?

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of David Sanders
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:30 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Can we change char size of Organisation field across ITSM

Do NOT attempt to change the data in the field_char view manually.  This will 
certainly cause issues.  If you change the length of the Organization field in 
the 361 forms where it occurs, this change will be reflected automatically in 
the meta data.

David Sanders
Solution Architect
Enterprise Service Suite @ Work / e-ServiceSuite 
 
tel +44 1494 468980
mobile +44 7710 377761
email david.sand...@westoverconsulting.co.uk
 
web  http://www.westoverconsulting.co.uk
 
http://www.e-servicesuite.co.uk
 


 
ITIL - SaaS - On Premise


-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of ITSM.Support
Sent: 13 July 2012 17:38
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Can we change char size of Organisation field across ITSM

Hi,

According to the observations so far, we cannot modify the character size of 
the mentioned fields using the remedy application. The field 'Organization' is 
on the 361 forms with the same database field ID.

Though it may be possible that we can update it at database level, but the same 
operation needs to be performed on each form.

For this we have 'AR System Metadata:field_char' form, where all the meta-data 
related to character fields are stored. 

It's a view form. We need to update the meta-data, the related record in order 
to achieve this. But this option is not tried and tested, as it may cause the 
severe malfunction at DB level.

--
Regards,
ITSM Support

Vyom Labs Pvt. Ltd.
BSM Solutions  Services || ITIL Consulting  Training
Email: i...@vyomlabs.com  || Web Site: www.vyomlabs.com Follow Vyom Labs 
http://twitter.com/#!/vyomlabs || http://www.linkedin.com/company/vyom-labs

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Vikram
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:23 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Can we change char size of Organisation field across ITSM

hi All,

I have a requirement where I need to change the char size of Organisation field 
in ITSM from 60 to 254 chars. Is there any way where we can do this in one 
place and it would reflect in all 300+ forms where this field is used. 

It would be a bad task to do manually, do anyone know a tweak for this or 
perhaps a utility for the same. There are 4 -5 such OOTB widely used fields 
which we need to increase size of.

Thanks in advance,
Vikram

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Re: 7.6.04 - Question about re-using Login Id's

2012-06-25 Thread David M. Clark
Confirmed.  Don't do that.  For all the reasons you mention and more.


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jase Brandon
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:49 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: 7.6.04 - Question about re-using Login Id's

** Hello All,
What is the general consensus regarding re use of login id's?
My concern is this = Login ID User1 is used by an employee for 6 months. That 
employee leaves the company. Someone new gets hired, in a new support group, 
and our support center then reuses User1 as a login id. Now if an auditor 
queries for all data modified by 'last update user' = User1, they are going 
to get everything from both users who shared a login id, different data, 
different support groups, basically a mess - right? I seem to remember having 
the don't re-use login id's discussion in the past and the answer was don't 
do that - thoughts anyone?

Thanks,

Jase
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Re: 7.6.04 - Question about re-using Login Id's

2012-06-25 Thread David M. Clark
Jase, do your Remedy users have network login ID's?  If so, use those.

The burden of uniqueness is then removed from you and placed upon your network 
team.

-D


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of patrick zandi
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 2:22 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 7.6.04 - Question about re-using Login Id's

** That is what I was thinking..
however I love that user1 submited a ticket, and user1 submitted a change 
request but user1 is not here any longer, because user1 submitted an srm to 
have user1's account removed after his departure..

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Joe Martin D'Souza 
jdso...@shyle.netmailto:jdso...@shyle.net wrote:
**
It would not be a EULA violation - as long as its not 2 physical individuals 
using the same ID at the same time, they are not breaking any EULA...

However for reasons mentioned in the original post itself, this is a bad idea. 
Yes you will see all records since a lot within the system is referenced by the 
Login ID. Remedy does not have any other unique identifier that is actually 
used within searches to separate one login ID from the other in the event that 
you have two login ID's with the same value, one of which is retired and the 
other active..

So bottom-line, if a match is found, rename the new ID that needs to be created 
to something slightly different.

Joe

From: patrick zandimailto:remedy...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 3:07 PM
Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 7.6.04 - Question about re-using Login Id's

** Might be a EULA violation as well.. May want to check on that.. License 
violation.

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:04 PM, David M. Clark 
david.m.cl...@tn.govmailto:david.m.cl...@tn.gov wrote:
**
Confirmed.  Don't do that.  For all the reasons you mention and more.


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jase 
Brandon
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:49 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORGmailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: 7.6.04 - Question about re-using Login Id's

** Hello All,
What is the general consensus regarding re use of login id's?
My concern is this = Login ID User1 is used by an employee for 6 months. That 
employee leaves the company. Someone new gets hired, in a new support group, 
and our support center then reuses User1 as a login id. Now if an auditor 
queries for all data modified by 'last update user' = User1, they are going 
to get everything from both users who shared a login id, different data, 
different support groups, basically a mess - right? I seem to remember having 
the don't re-use login id's discussion in the past and the answer was don't 
do that - thoughts anyone?

Thanks,

Jase
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Re: Support - An open letter to BMC

2012-06-06 Thread David M. Clark
The old California Remedy HelpDesk was great.  The off-shored BMC Call 
Center never was and still isn't.  At this point I really don't see anything 
changing about that.  Call me a pessimist, but history is what it is.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Sanford, Claire
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 11:30 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Support - An open letter to BMC

Honestly... if you get someone in Austin, Atlanta, or California, you will get 
your ticket resolved and in a manner that speaks to the old Remedy support 
ways!  I've had fantastic support from Russ, Max, Dolly, Dan, Doug... wow!  
They have a lot of D names there!  Paula is a top notch manager!  She gets 
results!  



-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of d...@wwrug.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 11:18 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Support - An open letter to BMC

I thought a cage match would do the trick :-)

I think that face to face conversations add a lot.

Even when Remedy support and quality were at their lowest
(and I have heard arguments that that was still way above the bar at BMC up 
until now),
and the VP of Worldwide Support was at the conference, metal detectors were not 
required.

However, after listening in person, some attitudes changed and the results were 
win-win-win.
Support and quality improved, they were perceived as improved, and everyone 
gained. For a few years 

Daniel

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Tommy Morris
Sent: June 6, 2012 12:03 PM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Support - An open letter to BMC

Daniel, are you going to have security check for pitchforks and torches? 

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of arslist
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 11:01 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Support - An open letter to BMC

Hi Jay,

Would you be willing to stop by the WWRUG12 in October so you can talk in 
person to the folks having problems with Support?

Daniel

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Jay Shankar
Sent: June 6, 2012 1:34 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Support - An open letter to BMC

We understand your frustration and apologize for the poor customer experience 
regarding this issue.  Our process is to validate with you the information in 
your customer profile and we did not do that in this case. We are working with 
our team to better utilize the information provided and ask only the necessary 
information to troubleshoot issues. We always want to hear how we can improve 
our support services, so please continue to fill out the surveys and provide 
feedback directly.  

Jay Shankar
Vice President
Customer Support - Americas
BMC Software

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6.03.00 Compatibility Matrix Needed

2012-05-09 Thread David M. Clark
Would anyone happen to have a copy?  I seem to have misplaced mine from 2005... 
oddly, and all the links to it on the BMC site seem to be broken.

Thanks,

-David

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Re: 6.03.00 Compatibility Matrix Needed

2012-05-09 Thread David M. Clark
I understand that concept and appreciate the link David, but BMC should stop 
breaking their web site links in previously released documentation if that's 
how they feel about it.

-D


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Easter, David
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:10 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 6.03.00 Compatibility Matrix Needed

Just a reminder that BMC Intellectual Property, which includes compatibility 
matrices, may not be distributed by any entity besides BMC.  Doing so is a 
violation of the EULA.

The files can be found on a BMC moderated download site here:  
https://communities.bmc.com/communities/docs/DOC-7077

You must first sign up for an account on the BMC Communities to have access to 
the documents.  However, a support ID or being a current BMC customer is not a 
requirement to get that account - just agreeing to the EULA.

-David J. Easter
Manager of Product Management, Remedy Platform
BMC Software, Inc.

The opinions, statements, and/or suggested courses of action expressed in this 
E-mail do not necessarily reflect those of BMC Software, Inc.  My voluntary 
participation in this forum is not intended to convey a role as a spokesperson, 
liaison or public relations representative for BMC Software, Inc.

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Tales Parreiras da Silva
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:04 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: 6.03.00 Compatibility Matrix Needed

** Hi David.
Here goes the file.

Regards,

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Transferred Object Last Changed Value Set to Timestamp

2012-04-12 Thread David M. Clark
Folks,

My transfers from a 6.3 server to a 7.1 server via Migrator 7.1.00 p006 set the 
Last Changed Time on each imported object to the time of creation on the 
server.  I thought this might be a problem with the Migrator mask setting, 
but the same thing happens when definitions that have the correct date are 
imported via the 7.1 Admin Tool.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

-David

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Re: Transferred Object Last Changed Value Set to Timestamp

2012-04-12 Thread David M. Clark
I would swear that some version between this one and the first release of 
Ostream Migrator that I used back in the nineties didn't do this.  It does the 
same thing with the Admin Tool Import utility.  Is this a 7.x feature of some 
sort?  I've imported objects that retain accurate date info before.

-Original Message-
From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Misi Mladoniczky
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:47 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Transferred Object Last Changed Value Set to Timestamp

Hi,

This is how it works in any version, unfortunately...

Best Regards - Misi, RRR AB, http://rrr.se

 Folks,

 My transfers from a 6.3 server to a 7.1 server via Migrator 7.1.00 p006
 set the Last Changed Time on each imported object to the time of creation
 on the server.  I thought this might be a problem with the Migrator mask
 setting, but the same thing happens when definitions that have the correct
 date are imported via the 7.1 Admin Tool.

 Any ideas?

 Thanks,

 -David

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Re: Transferred Object Last Changed Value Set to Timestamp

2012-04-12 Thread David M. Clark
Code... not data.


From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of Mueller, Doug
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 11:54 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Re: Transferred Object Last Changed Value Set to Timestamp

Everyone,

If you use the Import Tool, simply map the Last Modified Date and Last 
Modified User fields from
the source to the target.  It uses the ARMergeEntry() call and if those fields 
are supplied, the AR System
Server will retain them and not set these fields to the current values.  If not 
mapped, they will set these
fields to the current values.

Now, I would expect you to be able to map these values as well when using other 
transfer sources
like Migrator.  IF this is not possible, then there is a limitation in the 
product and you should definitely
send in a problem report so it can be addressed.

I import data all the time from old sources all the time and the dates and 
names are all retained as I map
all fields into the system.

Take a look at the fields you are mapping and add these if they are not defined.

Again, if you cannot include these fields in the mapping for some transfer 
mechanism or if you do and
the values are not retained, then there is a problem that needs reporting and 
fixing.

I know the Import Tool does the right thing because it is working for me.  So, 
you could use the Import
Tool to import the data with these fields mapped to get the data transferred 
correctly today even if
there is a problem with another tool.

I hope this helps,

Doug Mueller

From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
[mailto:arslist@ARSLIST.ORG] On Behalf Of David M. Clark
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 6:24 AM
To: arslist@ARSLIST.ORG
Subject: Transferred Object Last Changed Value Set to Timestamp

**
Folks,

My transfers from a 6.3 server to a 7.1 server via Migrator 7.1.00 p006 set the 
Last Changed Time on each imported object to the time of creation on the 
server.  I thought this might be a problem with the Migrator mask setting, 
but the same thing happens when definitions that have the correct date are 
imported via the 7.1 Admin Tool.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

-David
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Transferring in-house 6.3 code to a 7.6.04 server

2012-04-10 Thread David M. Clark
Folks,

I am finally in the process of upgrading our 6.03.00 patch 017 implementation 
to the latest offered.  By upgrade I mean a transfer between old and new 
servers, not on the same server.  The revs are apparently too far apart to use 
Migrator to transfer code between, so I will be using a 7.1 server as an 
intermediate transfer point.  Migrator 7.1 from the 6.3 box to the 7.1 box, 
then the latest Migrator from the 7.1 box to the 7.6.04 box.  I'll also be 
using Export/Import tools as needed.  Note that no BMC Remedy applications are 
involved here, though I will be loading ITSM later.  My concern now is only 
with in-house developed code created under or compatible with version 6.3.  
Solaris and Oracle on both sides.

Anyone ever done this or have any suggestions as to problems that I may 
encounter?

Thanks,

-David

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