Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[Lex Trotman]

Stargazer,

Have you tried the Python 3 port at asciidoc/asciidoc-py3, its
intended to be compatible (as possible), so your tooling will keep
working?

Cheers
Lex

On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 at 14:21, Stargazer  wrote:
>
> Tried AsciiDoctor awhile back. We prefer Python 3, rather than Ruby. There 
> were some issues that we would have to address that would require changes to 
> our doc,
> config files, and/or procedures.
>
> Thanks for all the updates.
>
>> > Really like Asciidoc and recommend it all the time.
>>
>> Good to hear, but don't forget that there is also the Asciidoctor
>> implementation.  Its active and (as I am not a direct contributor to
>> Asciidoctor I can say this without blowing my own trumpet) MUCH faster
>> than Asciidoc Python.  And as it is moving to reduce the reliance on
>> the Docbook toolchains is probably more suitable for new users.
>>
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Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[Stargazer]

Tried AsciiDoctor awhile back. We prefer Python 3, rather than Ruby. There 
were some issues that we would have to address that would require changes 
to our doc, 
config files, and/or procedures.

Thanks for all the updates.

> Really like Asciidoc and recommend it all the time. 
>
> Good to hear, but don't forget that there is also the Asciidoctor 
> implementation.  Its active and (as I am not a direct contributor to 
> Asciidoctor I can say this without blowing my own trumpet) MUCH faster 
> than Asciidoc Python.  And as it is moving to reduce the reliance on 
> the Docbook toolchains is probably more suitable for new users. 
>
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Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[bertholdgehrke]

> The largest change in Python 3 is handling of strings. The amount of work 
> to port asciidoc using Python 2 to asciidoc3 using Python 3 must have been 
> significant. 
>
>
> Hi stargazer,
yes in deed: the pitfalls of migrating Python2 to Python3 str/unicode was 
probably the most annoying and time-consuming challenge during my work (see 
asciidoc3.org or github.com/asciidoc3/asciidoc3). But in my opinion this 
leads to an advancement: now you can set different input-encoding and 
output-encoding, i.g. input file iso8859_6 (arabic), output mac_cyrillic 
(all right, just this makes poor sense) - and you can set errors, too, say 
'ignore' ...

And to come back to 'I would hold off on that as there is currently an 
unresolved copyright / license dispute with this fork.'
This is aimed at me: Think, we can find a solution asap, the solution is 
already initiated.
Regards from Munich/Germany, Berthold

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Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[Lex Trotman]

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 at 15:05, Stargazer  wrote:
>
> Interesting read. I hope it gets ironed out as needed. I thought asciidoc 
> written in Python 2 was going to age away.  The official upgrade path from 
> Python 2.7 is to Python 3 (PEP 404). The EOL for Python 2.7 is 2020 (PEP 373).

The EOL is known about, see the description at the top of the original
Asciidoc Python github https://github.com/asciidoc/asciidoc.

>
> The largest change in Python 3 is handling of strings. The amount of work to 
> port asciidoc using Python 2 to asciidoc3 using Python 3 must have been 
> significant.

See the first two PRs here
https://github.com/asciidoc/asciidoc-py3/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93=is%3Apr+

I had also expected the amount of changes for Unicode vs ASCII
handling to be significant, but seems it was not so bad (but then I
didn't have to do it :).

>
> Really like Asciidoc and recommend it all the time.

Good to hear, but don't forget that there is also the Asciidoctor
implementation.  Its active and (as I am not a direct contributor to
Asciidoctor I can say this without blowing my own trumpet) MUCH faster
than Asciidoc Python.  And as it is moving to reduce the reliance on
the Docbook toolchains is probably more suitable for new users.

Cheers
Lex
>
> .Links
> - https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0373
> - https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0404
>
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Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[Stargazer]

Interesting read. I hope it gets ironed out as needed. I thought asciidoc 
written in Python 2 was going to age away.  The official upgrade path from 
Python 2.7 is to Python 3 (PEP 404). The EOL for Python 2.7 is 2020 (PEP 
373). 

The largest change in Python 3 is handling of strings. The amount of work 
to port asciidoc using Python 2 to asciidoc3 using Python 3 must have been 
significant.  

Really like Asciidoc and recommend it all the time.

.Links
- https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0373
- https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0404


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Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[Lex Trotman]

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 at 08:10, Stargazer  wrote:
>
> Ok. Thanks Lex.
>
> It appears Berthold has things well under control regarding licensing 
> @https://asciidoc3.org/blog/.

Still a work in progress, See the thread at
https://github.com/asciidoc3/asciidoc3/issues/1

It should be noted that this is an independent fork created without
any communication with general Asciidoc community and the intentions
of the fork have not yet been made clear.  So, as Dan says, promoting
it over the port in the Asciidoc organisation is premature.

Regards
Lex

>
> I'll following this forum and his blog to stay current.
>
> This has been a great day!
>
> On Wednesday, June 6, 2018 at 4:32:58 PM UTC-5, Lex Trotman wrote:
>>
>> Stargazer, there is also a Python 3 port at asciidoc/asciidoc-py3 you
>> could try that does not have that problem.
>>
>> Regards
>> Lex
>> On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 at 07:26, Dan Allen  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Maybe we can get a write-up in the Linux Pro Magazine.
>> >
>> > I would hold off on that as there is currently an unresolved copyright / 
>> > license dispute with this fork.
>> >
>> > -Dan
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Stargazer  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Just came across this entry. Downloaded the tar.gz from 
>> >> https://www.asciidoc3.org/download.html and did an initial run of our 
>> >> documentation system and everything is looking great!
>> >>
>> >> A thousand thank yous for porting asciidoc from Python2 to Python3, and 
>> >> to Stuart Rackham for the orginal asciidoc.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe we can get a write-up in the Linux Pro Magazine.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you.
>> >> Peg Russell
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 5:59:16 PM UTC-5, berthol...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>> you can find the brand-new Python3 port AsciiDoc3 at www.asciidoc3.org 
>> >>> and on github.com/asciidoc3/asciidoc3.
>> >>> All 170 AsciiDoc testcases are passed! Have fun with 'Text based 
>> >>> document generation using Python 3.x'.
>> >>> Greeting from Munich, BG
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Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[Lex Trotman]

Stargazer, there is also a Python 3 port at asciidoc/asciidoc-py3 you
could try that does not have that problem.

Regards
Lex
On Thu, 7 Jun 2018 at 07:26, Dan Allen  wrote:
>
> > Maybe we can get a write-up in the Linux Pro Magazine.
>
> I would hold off on that as there is currently an unresolved copyright / 
> license dispute with this fork.
>
> -Dan
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Stargazer  wrote:
>>
>> Just came across this entry. Downloaded the tar.gz from 
>> https://www.asciidoc3.org/download.html and did an initial run of our 
>> documentation system and everything is looking great!
>>
>> A thousand thank yous for porting asciidoc from Python2 to Python3, and to 
>> Stuart Rackham for the orginal asciidoc.
>>
>> Maybe we can get a write-up in the Linux Pro Magazine.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Peg Russell
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 5:59:16 PM UTC-5, berthol...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> you can find the brand-new Python3 port AsciiDoc3 at www.asciidoc3.org and 
>>> on github.com/asciidoc3/asciidoc3.
>>> All 170 AsciiDoc testcases are passed! Have fun with 'Text based document 
>>> generation using Python 3.x'.
>>> Greeting from Munich, BG
>>
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Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[Dan Allen]

> Maybe we can get a write-up in the Linux Pro Magazine.

I would hold off on that as there is currently an unresolved copyright /
license dispute with this fork.

-Dan

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 3:23 PM, Stargazer 
wrote:

> Just came across this entry. Downloaded the tar.gz from
> https://www.asciidoc3.org/download.html and did an initial run of our
> documentation system and everything is looking great!
>
> A thousand thank yous for porting asciidoc from Python2 to Python3, and to
>
>
> *Stuart Rackham for the orginal asciidoc.  Maybe we can get a write-up in
> the Linux Pro Magazine.*
> Thank you.
> Peg Russell
>
>
> On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 5:59:16 PM UTC-5, berthol...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> you can find the brand-new Python3 port AsciiDoc3 at www.asciidoc3.org
>> and on github.com/asciidoc3/asciidoc3.
>> All 170 AsciiDoc testcases are passed! Have fun with 'Text based document
>> generation using Python 3.x'.
>> Greeting from Munich, BG
>>
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Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[Marco Ciampa]

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:28:14PM +0100, Derek Jones wrote:
> Dan,
> 
> How many other people have jumped to the same conclusion that
> I did?
> 
> Why not point the news page at the Github release blog?
> 

Hi devs,
sorry for the intrusion...

Why not DIY?

https://github.com/asciidoctor/asciidoctor.org

just update the relevant sections and ask for a pull...

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Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[Derek Jones]

Dan,

How many other people have jumped to the same conclusion that
I did?

Why not point the news page at the Github release blog?


You have a point that the news section of the website has not mentioned any
new releases. We decided not to use that to announce release anymore
because it was too much overhead. All the releases are announced instead on
the GitHub releases page, which I'm using as the release blog.

https://github.com/asciidoctor/asciidoctor/releases

-Dan

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Derek Jones  wrote:


Dan,

https://rubygems.org/gems/asciidoctor/versions




Thanks for this.

Please research more before commenting about the health of a project. It's

very damaging to the project to make such impulsive statements.



I get my information from the Asciidoctor webite:
http://asciidoctor.org

http://asciidoctor.org/news/ latest news June 11, 2015

http://discuss.asciidoctor.org/
Asciidoctor 1.5.0 “Bleeding Heart” released!
Sep 15, 2014

If you want to attract the drive by users, you need to keep
your website up to date.



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Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[Dan Allen]

Derek,

You have a point that the news section of the website has not mentioned any
new releases. We decided not to use that to announce release anymore
because it was too much overhead. All the releases are announced instead on
the GitHub releases page, which I'm using as the release blog.

https://github.com/asciidoctor/asciidoctor/releases

-Dan

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 5:52 PM, Derek Jones  wrote:

> Dan,
>
> https://rubygems.org/gems/asciidoctor/versions
>>
>
> Thanks for this.
>
> Please research more before commenting about the health of a project. It's
>> very damaging to the project to make such impulsive statements.
>>
>
> I get my information from the Asciidoctor webite:
> http://asciidoctor.org
>
> http://asciidoctor.org/news/ latest news June 11, 2015
>
> http://discuss.asciidoctor.org/
> Asciidoctor 1.5.0 “Bleeding Heart” released!
> Sep 15, 2014
>
> If you want to attract the drive by users, you need to keep
> your website up to date.
>
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Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[Lex Trotman]

On 18 April 2018 at 09:52, Derek Jones  wrote:
> Dan,
>
>> https://rubygems.org/gems/asciidoctor/versions
>
>
> Thanks for this.
>
>> Please research more before commenting about the health of a project. It's
>> very damaging to the project to make such impulsive statements.
>
>
> I get my information from the Asciidoctor webite:
> http://asciidoctor.org

Its a common situation that busy projects often don't update their
websites often, they are too busy doing commits and "useful" stuff.
For an open source project thats not competing like a commercial
entity, the website is often not seen as important as it is for a
company selling something.  So for community projects its essential to
look behind the tattered curtain to see the shining new code.

Mind you its often a good idea to look behind the shiny curtain of a
commercial site if possible, to see its not tattered olde code :)

Cheers
Lex

>
> http://asciidoctor.org/news/ latest news June 11, 2015
>
> http://discuss.asciidoctor.org/
> Asciidoctor 1.5.0 “Bleeding Heart” released!
> Sep 15, 2014
>
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Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[Dan Allen]

Derek,

You are clearly looking in the wrong place. Asciidoctor has incredibly high
activity on both code and documentation.

https://github.com/asciidoctor/asciidoctor

https://github.com/asciidoctor/asciidoctor/issues?q=is%3Aissue+sort%3Aupdated-desc+is%3Aclosed

https://rubygems.org/gems/asciidoctor/versions

Please research more before commenting about the health of a project. It's
very damaging to the project to make such impulsive statements.

(If you were referring to AsciiDoc Python, then I could understand your
statement. But even then, you shouldn't be drawing conclusions if you don't
understand the difference between AsciiDoc Python and Asciidoctor).

Thank you for understanding.

-Dan

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> Lex,
>
> What is your basis for that statement?  I am not an Asciidoctor dev,
>> but I can say it most definitely does not seem to have stalled to me. >
>> Have you been watching the Github repository?
>>
>
> The last update listed on the asciidoctor website is from a few years
> ago.
>
> There were 21 code commits in the last two days. Plus many discussion
>> posts.
>>
>
> I have not checked in detail, but changes these days appear to be in
> documentation and config files.
>
>
> Lex
>>
>>
>>> I will give it a go on a book I am working on.
>>>
>>>
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Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[Lex Trotman]

On 18 April 2018 at 08:05, Derek Jones  wrote:
> Lex,
>
>> What is your basis for that statement?  I am not an Asciidoctor dev,
>> but I can say it most definitely does not seem to have stalled to me. >
>> Have you been watching the Github repository?
>
>
> The last update listed on the asciidoctor website is from a few years
> ago.
>
>> There were 21 code commits in the last two days. Plus many discussion
>> posts.
>
>
> I have not checked in detail, but changes these days appear to be in
> documentation and config files.

You sure you are looking in the right place
https://github.com/asciidoctor/asciidoctor/commits/master?


>
>
>> Lex
>>
>>>
>>> I will give it a go on a book I am working on.
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Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[Derek Jones]

Lex,


What is your basis for that statement?  I am not an Asciidoctor dev,
but I can say it most definitely does not seem to have stalled to me. > Have 
you been watching the Github repository?


The last update listed on the asciidoctor website is from a few years
ago.


There were 21 code commits in the last two days. Plus many discussion posts.


I have not checked in detail, but changes these days appear to be in
documentation and config files.


Lex



I will give it a go on a book I am working on.



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Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[Lex Trotman]

On 17 April 2018 at 21:35, Derek Jones  wrote:
>
>> you can find the brand-new Python3 port AsciiDoc3 at www.asciidoc3.org and
>> on github.com/asciidoc3/asciidoc3.
>> All 170 AsciiDoc testcases are passed! Have fun with 'Text based document
>> generation using Python 3.x'.
>
>
> It's great to see development happening (asciidoctor work seems t
> have stalled).

What is your basis for that statement?  I am not an Asciidoctor dev,
but I can say it most definitely does not seem to have stalled to me.
Have you been watching the Github repository?
There were 21 code commits in the last two days. Plus many discussion posts.

Lex

>
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Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[Derek Jones]

you can find the brand-new Python3 port AsciiDoc3 at www.asciidoc3.org and
on github.com/asciidoc3/asciidoc3.
All 170 AsciiDoc testcases are passed! Have fun with 'Text based document
generation using Python 3.x'.


It's great to see development happening (asciidoctor work seems t
have stalled).

I will give it a go on a book I am working on.


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Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[Dan Allen]

Congratulations on getting this working. Given how many attempts fell
short, that really speaks volumes to what a notable accomplishment this is.

I do wish you had consulted with the project before selecting the domain
name. (If you did, and I missed it, I apologize for suggesting you didn't).
My concern is that this name could suggest that AsciiDoc 3 is available,
which is not the case. It could also be a good opportunity to clearly
communicate this is the Python implemention of the processor (separating
language and processor). My proposal is asciidoc-py3.org (or some variant
of that). Would you be willing to make the switch to that domain?

I think the future of AsciiDoc.org should be information about the language
itself, but that's the topic of another discussion.

-Dan

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018, 16:59  wrote:

> Hi all,
> you can find the brand-new Python3 port AsciiDoc3 at www.asciidoc3.org
> and on github.com/asciidoc3/asciidoc3.
> All 170 AsciiDoc testcases are passed! Have fun with 'Text based document
> generation using Python 3.x'.
> Greeting from Munich, BG
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Re: AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[Lex Trotman]

Hi,

Neat, well done.

Cheers
Lex

On 17 April 2018 at 08:59,   wrote:
> Hi all,
> you can find the brand-new Python3 port AsciiDoc3 at www.asciidoc3.org and
> on github.com/asciidoc3/asciidoc3.
> All 170 AsciiDoc testcases are passed! Have fun with 'Text based document
> generation using Python 3.x'.
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AsciiDoc3 Python3 Port released asciidoc3.org

[bertholdgehrke]

Hi all,
you can find the brand-new Python3 port AsciiDoc3 at www.asciidoc3.org and 
on github.com/asciidoc3/asciidoc3.
All 170 AsciiDoc testcases are passed! Have fun with 'Text based document 
generation using Python 3.x'.
Greeting from Munich, BG

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