[asterisk-users] taskprocessor.c: The 'sorcery/contact-00000015' task processor queue reached 1500 scheduled tasks.

2017-11-23 Thread Brian Capouch
Running 15.1.2.  I have four devices transitioned to use pjsip.

After about 1-2 days of uptime, psjip stops accepting registrations,
and the messages log contains the entry as per the subject.

At any given time, "pjsip show contacts" only shows the four devices.

Could someone point me to a fix, short of rebooting the server every day?

Thanks.

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[asterisk-users] PJSIP console messages with Zoiper

2017-11-05 Thread Brian Capouch
I'm running Asterisk 15.1.0 and in the process of converting my
various SIP endpoints to use PJSIP.

My Zoiper client causes the messages quoted below to show up on the
CLI once per minute.  Things seem to work OK, but I am curious because
there seems to be no way to suppress the messages, and there are three
per minute, clogging up the console.

Thanks.

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** snip **
-- Added contact
'sip:8005@64.184.17.216:51891;rinstance=21e198ab7d94a096' to AOR
'8005' with expiration of 60 seconds
  == Contact 8005/sip:8005@64.184.17.216:51891;rinstance=21e198ab7d94a096
has been deleted
  == Contact 8005/sip:8005@64.184.17.216:51891;rinstance=21e198ab7d94a096
has been created
-- Contact 8005/sip:8005@64.184.17.216:51891;rinstance=21e198ab7d94a096
is now Unknown.  RTT: 0.000 msec

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[asterisk-users] Any way to stop Playtones(dial) when the user presses a key, emulating a CO's behavior?

2010-11-05 Thread Brian Capouch
The subject says it all.  I'm betting there's a way to do it, but so far 
I haven't found the dialplan runestone via web searching.

Thanks.

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[asterisk-users] Exceptionally long queue length queuing . . . .

2010-10-30 Thread Brian Capouch
I wonder if anyone out there has a perspective on this.  There are a 
welter of tickets out there on the matter, most of them closed.

This problem began for me over a year ago, and continues up to the 
latest versions I've installed (1.6.2.13).

It happens randomly, and the suggestion on one of the bug tracker 
tickets that it is instigated by a small network leg looks to be on 
point to me, because while it happens way often, it doesn't always happen.

My ITSPs have all dropped IAX, and if they're experiencing this problem 
I can see why.  Once the first of these messages has occurred, it's 
goodbye audio for the rest of the call.

If anyone has a perspective on this longstanding problem, I'd sure be 
glad to hear it.

Thanks.

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Re: [asterisk-users] (no subject)

2008-07-03 Thread Brian Capouch
Alex Balashov wrote:

 ) How about rejecting emails that don't have a subject?

That is an excellent idea.

If a person doesn't have enough clue to use a subject, then we're really 
just feeding the beast when we indulge the question with an answer.

And the archived version of that question/answer are pretty useless, too.

Thx.

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Re: [asterisk-users] need * consultant in houston area

2008-03-10 Thread Brian Capouch
Could you all please take this COMMERCIAL discussion to the -biz list?

Thanks.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Gemeinschaft released

2008-02-07 Thread Brian Capouch
Philipp Kempgen wrote:

 The cluster capability is very interesting.
 
 Exactly. Although I must admit wo don't really have much
 documentation on how to install a Gemeinschaft cluster.
 

Is there anything documented in English?

Philipp's mail doesn't say what the product does, and the website is in 
German, which I don't read.

So I'm wondering if I missed a discussion of what it does in the first 
place!

Thx.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk content @ OSCON 2008?

2008-01-04 Thread Brian Capouch
Martin Smith wrote:
 Hey folks,
 
 Is anyone working on Asterisk (or other) presentation proposals for
 OSCON 2008 in Portland, OR? Here's the link, in case:
 http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2008/public/cfp/13
 

I'm working on a proposal to do a tutorial there on Asterisk.  I have 
done such the past three years.

I'm also proposing a session on embedded Asterisk, under openWRT, which 
is my little fringe niche of the world. . .

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Re: [asterisk-users] Realtime: Should I say or should I go (now) ?

2007-12-21 Thread Brian Capouch
Terry Wilson wrote:

 
 And a free hint: if you are going to have to do anything that  
 resembles number porting, swapping extensions, etc.--don't use  
 extensions/phone numbers as SIP usernames.  You have to regenerate  
 config files, etc.  Make your SIP usernames meaningless and use  
 func_odbc to look up what extension is tied to which device.
 

I second that emotion.

I consult with a bunch of people who rolled their own Asterisk systems 
long ago, and when the try to virtualize their system in various ways 
they find their hands are tied.  It is indescribably confusing once the 
number in sip.conf gets disengaged from the extensions in the dialplan.

I wouldn't say to make the names meaningless, though; there are 
different ways to use those names so that they have useful meaning. 
Just don't make them extension numbers; it's like the TCP/IP boundary 
between layers.  See SIP for an example of the problems such a thing can 
cause :-)

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Re: [asterisk-users] Realtime on Asterisk 1.2.24

2007-10-27 Thread Brian Capouch
Tilghman Lesher wrote:

 
 
 I *STRONGLY* recommend that you do NOT use realtime extensions.  If you
 want a dynamic dialplan, the correct way to do it is to segregate your logic
 and your data (via something like func_odbc), not to stick all of your logic
 into a database.
 

Should this be taken as a warning to us happy realtime users that it is 
deprecated, and/or likely to go away?

If that's where it's headed (once upon a time a discussion to do it the 
right way was scheduled for the Atlanta confab last spring, but the 
topic never emerged there AFAIK) then it ought to be officially 
deprecated so those of us who use it extensively can begin to plan our 
migration to other ways of solving the problems that realtime seems (at 
least to me) to solve nicely.

I can deploy large numbers of servers with complex and coherent 
dialplans with pretty much zero effort on a given new client, and I can 
also effect system-wide changes across my servers with a single database 
update.

I find it to be a powerful and useful feature.  But if there's a better 
way to do it I'm willing to learn.  To my knowledge there are no 
Postgres ports of ODBC running yet under openWRT, and so I am using the 
PG module to access my information.  At the moment func_odbc wouldn't 
seem to get the job done for me as per your suggestion above.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk 1.4: encryption support

2007-10-27 Thread Brian Capouch
Russell Bryant wrote:
 Alejandro Cabrera Obed wrote:
 
Dear all, I have Asterisk 1.4.13 and I need to use encryption among
Asterisk and my SIP users, and with the RTP data interchanged among
users. I prefer the use of ZRTP/SRTP because we use Twinkle and
X-Lite/Zfone as our voip clients and they support these encryption
mechanism.

My question is: do I have to enable any encryption support in Asterisk
1.4.13 ??? Or Asterisk has native encryption support ???
 
 
 The only VoIP encryption provided in Asterisk 1.4 is IAX2 encryption, which 
 can
 be used between Asterisk servers.  I'm not aware of any IAX2 clients that
 support encryption.
 

What's the status of SRTP?

I remember seeing things floating around about it being under 
development, but various sotto voce conversations I've had around over 
the past few days would indicate that it hasn't gained much/any traction.

I'd be glad to be disabused of that notion.

Thx.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk on USB Flash?

2007-10-17 Thread Brian Capouch
shadowym wrote:
 Size/Speed/write cycles have gone way up, price has gone way down.  More
 common than CompactFlash and no need for an adapter.  So is it feasible to
 run an Asterisk server on something like this?  With a MTBF of 1million
 write cycles coupled with dynamic wear management on a 4Gig USB drive,
 lifetime is a non-issue.  Just wondering how well it works, if it works.  
 

My main server for my home and teensy business runs on a Netgear 
WGT634U running SVN-trunk under openWRT.

The Asterisk binary sits on the machine's flash, but all the modules, 
prompt files, voicemail, etc., goes to the flash.

It works just fine.  This system doesn't get a huge amount of voicemail, 
so I don't know about how long it would be before the wear issue would 
surface (pun?).

I know it works just fine.  I've been doing this now for almost two 
years, although with various versions of embedded Linux and various 
versions of Asterisk.

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Re: [asterisk-users] phone as control interface (was 99bottlesof beer)

2007-10-16 Thread Brian Capouch
Jon Pounder wrote:
 Quoting John Faubion [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
 
Does anyone know of such a  device that I can use over a network? It would
be a pain to run a USB cable. I am thinking of devices that are like:

I think your missing the key feature of these devices, UPB/X10. UPB and X10
are communication protocols that runs across the electrical wiring in the
home. The 1132 box can be programmed using a USB cable to your computer but
it doesn't have to remain connected via USB to control the lights and
outlets using X10. Additionally you only have to connect one PC-UPB/X10
controller to control the other UPB/X10 devices. You will have to install
more devices to make it all work but the commands come across the house
wiring.
 
 
 has anyone actually been satisfied with the performance of these  
 powerline signalling devices ?
 
 yeah they make a nice cheap demo, but any time I have used them they  
 proved to operate randomly on their own, and not always when they were  
 supposed to. Hardly something I would want for say a door release.
 
 Granted in an existing situation there may not be a way to run more  
 wires, but I evaluated them a while back and decided to stay away.
 

I have tons of X10 devices doing all kinds of things, all over.

They are in a rural/small-town environment, so things might be different 
in areas of denser population (caused by other controllers on the mains).

For me they work flawlessly.  I have light and appliance controllers, as 
well as X10 thermostats in two houses.

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Re: [asterisk-users] What's the deal with ATAcomm?

2007-09-30 Thread Brian Capouch
Andrew Joakimsen wrote:
 That's horrible. I don't buy too many IP phones these days, but can
 anyone suggest a place better than the scumbags at VoIP supply?

Reading this raised my eyebrows.

I'm not sure what the content will do for your readers regarding the 
company; I am absolutely sure what it does for my opinion of your sense 
of fair play.

Name-calling is the oldest, cheapest trick in the book.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Mark Spencer: Digium is Growing Up (VONMAG)

2007-09-14 Thread Brian Capouch
Matthew Fredrickson wrote:
 shadowym wrote:
 
Maybe his comments were taken out of context as they don't have the whole
interview posted.  Why is he talking about queue games,  Biologicall and
other extremely niche crap when there are huge holes in the basic offering
(SLA and SCA)?
 
 
 Considering it is an open source project, anybody that has access to the 
 source code (i.e. everybody) can work on whatever they want to, whether 
 it be SLA, SCA, or queue games for the more light hearted.
 

Amen, brother.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Mark Spencer: Digium is Growing Up (VONMAG)

2007-09-14 Thread Brian Capouch
shadowym wrote:
 Yes thank you for reminding me it is open source.  Thank you for reminding
 me people can write their own code for it.
 
 I'll get right on rewriting the entire sip code.  Should only take me a few
 hours.  Including a couple hours to learn how to write c code.  How hard can
 it be!
 

I can't tell whether you're intending to prove the point that was being 
made, or trying to be sarcastic.  Knowing your posting history, I'll 
assume the latter.

But in case you're serious, and you really do believe the coders owe you 
something, here's another translation of the situation:

If you code, if you contribute to the coding effort by intense testing 
and/or filing bug reports, if you carry Red Bull to the programmers 
during hacking sessions, etc., then--in the vernacular of the Church of 
the Subgenius--you buy slack.

And once you have slack, you can say, Let's do this, or Let's do 
that, and the developers will consider it and--maybe--implement it.

When, instead, you are 100% slack-free and have been noted before 
nipping nasty mots at the hands that feed you code, the chances of 
having your tart remarks about SLA taken seriously are pretty slim.

But, and here's  the point: It's Open Source.  If the developers look 
the other way when you ask for something, if they don't answer your 
emails, if they don't drop everything when you demand something and do 
what you want,

FORK IT!  Take the code THEY they wrote and do with it what you will.

It's free.

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Re: [asterisk-users] where is 1.4.12?

2007-08-30 Thread Brian Capouch
Matt wrote:
 Absolutely not!  However, if someone gave me a free flight, but the
 plane went down 3 out of the 5 times it took off, yes I would :)
 Then, if the makes of the plane released a new version where they
 fixed the problem, but now instead of going down because the motors
 shut off, it would go down 3 out of 5 times because the rudder would
 get stuck in an odd position (note this didn't happen before the motor
 'bug' fix).   Finally, 4 versions later we have a stable plane that
 can fly for about 2 months before it crashes, however, if you land it
 each night it will run fine.   But, alas, terrorists have found a way
 to get into the plane and hijack it, so the airline releases nothing
 more than a security upgrade for it.  Now, however, we find that after
 flying for 2 hours, the wheels fall off the plane.
 

Airplanes are built, maintained, and operated under extremely restricted 
operational conditions.

Asterisk, which derives its very name from the notion of ubiquity, is 
being used by everyone to do everything, and regression testing in that 
environment is, um, challenging.

I run a fairly recent version of SVN-trunk as my primary Asterisk 
server.  Traffic loads are relatively light because I'm a small-bones 
player, but I have lots of different channel technologies, many ITSPs, 
and a network of over a dozen cooperating servers running several 
different versions.  It's not a lie to say that my systems *never* go 
down as long as they're supplied with power--which in rural Indiana is 
never a sure thing.

I agree with Russell's initial assessment; Matt's phrasing, if not his 
intent, emanated from the land of the troll. . . if for no other reason 
than the implication that Digium is solely responsible for the 
development of the product.

FWIW.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Teliax Quality of Service

2007-08-07 Thread Brian Capouch
Stephen Bosch wrote:

 
 PSTN service still sets the standard.
 

With infrastructure paid for under a gracious guaranteed-profit monopoly 
by ratepayers, now being used as a weapon to stifle competition from 
VoIP, cable, and other emerging technologies.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Teliax Quality of Service

2007-08-04 Thread Brian Capouch
Stephen Bosch wrote:
 Douglas Garstang wrote:
 
I confused by this. Don't ITSP's have redundancy? Don't they have
multiple edge systems for accepting incoming calls? Don't their multiple
edge systems have multiple interfaces, connected to multiple subnets,
via multiple switches? And, don't they have multiple upstream providers?
About the only thing that could go wrong that affects all service like
this would be a badly pushed out software update, affecting all systems?
 
 
 Don't be confused. The answer to most of your questions is no.
 

I don't think he's really confused.  Doug has a penchant for the 
provocative, historically.

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Re: [asterisk-users] asterisk is not sip proxy

2007-07-08 Thread Brian Capouch
Alex Balashov wrote:

 The distinction between a back-to-back user agent and a proxy is a rather 
 formal one; (. . . .  )


I suggest the essence of this mail be distilled and put into a FAQ 
somewhere, if it isn't already.

Thanks.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Caller ID Spoofing to be banned in the USA

2007-07-03 Thread Brian Capouch
J. Oquendo wrote:
 Stephen Bosch wrote:
 
 I ask that you treat people respectfully on the list. The poster has a
 valid point and does not deserve that kind of response.

 It's possible to disagree and still be civil, and I've no doubt you're
 able to do it.

 Thanks,

   
 
 Right sorry list for living in a place called reality. 

In case (as it seems) you're tone deaf about being a dick, there's 
another example of it right above this sentence.

 Was not my intention regardless
 of how it sounded. (honestly... I'm just rather blunt)
 

I read your first couple of posts, and thought, Where does this guy get 
off?  Mr. Know-it-all; rest of us is stupids.

Nothing you have said since looks any different.

I hope you never have to ask anyone for a favor.  You really do seem way 
too good/smart/clueful for the rest of us mere mortals.

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Me Too mails DOSsing the list (was: Re: [asterisk-users] Voip-info.org)

2007-06-06 Thread Brian Capouch

Compnet Bobby wrote:

Same in southern cali!



Folks, at the risk of sounding mean, once there are a couple of Me Too 
emails on a given topic, everyone who reads the list is clued in, and we 
don't really need another hundred or so one- or two-word emails adding 
to the already-bad load of traffic the list generates.


Very early on, we heard from the site maintainer that they were being 
DOSsed.


I still have many hours of list traffic ahead of me to read, and I 
despair of how many more of them are likely to be just like this 
one--and I'm not picking on you, Bobby; you just happened to post the 
25th one of these I've read today.


Thanks.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Outside lines are just not happening...

2007-05-18 Thread Brian Capouch

Stephen Bosch wrote:


If you get dumbfounded responses ask to speak to someone in the
programming group (unless they are a tiny little phone company, they
will have one). If you open a ticket, it usually means they will
escalate the problem, even if the agent you are speaking with has no
idea what you are talking about. Best to be friendly with them!



And what do you do when they say:

We have a modern, relatively-new switch for which that sort of feature 
change is a trivial click on a GUI checkbox.  However, we do not have 
any tariffed requirement to provide disconnect supervision.  So we won't 
do it for you.  Goodbye.


And then the call ends.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Outside lines are just not happening...

2007-05-18 Thread Brian Capouch

Stephen Bosch wrote:


And what do you do when they say:

We have a modern, relatively-new switch for which that sort of feature
change is a trivial click on a GUI checkbox.  However, we do not have
any tariffed requirement to provide disconnect supervision.  So we won't
do it for you.  Goodbye.



Ask for the supervisor.

Don't quit pestering them until you get someone who can help you.

DON'T QUIT.

You'd be surprised what persistence will get you (that is, more than
just disconnect supervision)



My phone company is owned by two brothers, and it was one of them who 
told me that.


I'm borked.

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Re: Now way OT: [asterisk-users] Need some help with a very simple Queestion..

2007-05-12 Thread Brian Capouch

Stephen Bosch wrote:



Is Marmite also available in Ontario, or only Out West?



As far as I know, Marmite is available all across this land, from sea to
sea to sea.

Three cheers for Marmite.



IMO most Americans have never even *heard* of Marmite, much less tasted it.

And it's quite a hoot to watch someone ingest it for the first time. 
Always causes a surprised look.


Someone should write a book about it--or maybe someone already has :-)

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Re: [asterisk-users] Improving Asterisk's DNS support

2007-05-01 Thread Brian Capouch

Kristian Kielhofner wrote:



 The intent of my original message was to try to start a discussion
on how we can fix a REAL, KNOWN problem with Asterisk to make it
better.  I'm not sure what the exact problems are (or even the
specific symptoms in all cases), but  I am willing to offer anything
that I can (money, testing, etc) to fix this problem.

 I realise you don't know that this is a problem.  However, your tone
is *not* what I am looking for in this discussion.



For those who haven't ever been bit by this situation, please believe 
that it is not only real but devastating.


Kristian is exactly right: there needs to be an architectural fix that 
will stop EVERYTHING in the server from hanging when lookups are done 
(and then hang) for a given IAX/SIP peer.


I'm not programmer enough to do it, but once it's done I will be 
eternally grateful.


Just yesterday I had a situation where our egress circuit was being used 
temporarily to do a big remote database dump.  As a result, DNS queries 
to the outside world were taking forever to resolve.  An internal server 
I have, which talks to a single DNS-named peer in the outside world, 
hung tight, repeatedly, while the T1 was compromised, even though none 
of its calls had anything to do with that peer.  It was the core engine 
that was hung up waiting.


The worst of it is when there are Zaptel cards in the box, it doesn't 
even handle call pickups and the like once the DNS hang has begun.


There are various kludgy workarounds, but at the end of the day it does 
not seem that the server should hang totally when this situation occurs.


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Re: [asterisk-users] wireless desktop phones

2007-03-28 Thread Brian Capouch

Jordan Novak wrote:
Okay, I get it. I still have a problem though. I have no way to wire 30% 
of these end-points. P{hysically impossible. They do have cat3 twisted 
pair to each phone. But of course they want IP. Are there any adpaters 
that will give me just enough bandwidth to get it done. The computer 
network is all wireless so the phones would have all the bandwidth.




Some of the Wifi phones--at least under the relatively stable conditions 
I have here--work very reliably.


I have 3 Starcom F1000s, and a) if they don't have to roam and b) they 
don't have to connect dynamically to different servers, work just fine.


FYI.  YMMV.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Need feedback on vitelity

2007-03-24 Thread Brian Capouch



Mail list wrote:


Hello

Anyone here uses Vitelity as voip provider ? Their pplans looks good 
but i need some feedback from existing customers if any here .




I would like to express an opposite opinion.

I have two accounts with them with lots of DIDs.  Everything works fine, 
and they have been very quick to respond to the few issues we had to 
work through trying to implement, I think, 16 incoming lines in 14 area 
codes.


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Re: [asterisk-users] A request for your input.

2007-03-22 Thread Brian Capouch

Stephen Bosch wrote:

Bill Hackensack wrote:


On 3/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]*
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Hello


   P.S The program that I am using is open source, of course
   ( www.phpsurveyor.org http://www.phpsurveyor.org)!


What part of the survey is running Asterisk?



Wow, you're friendly! And helpful, too!



I thought the same thing, and am glad you sent that message.

Thx.

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Re: [asterisk-users] voip-info.org status update

2007-03-14 Thread Brian Capouch

shadowym wrote:

 
If I can't be confident enough in an important source of information 
like this then I can't be confident enough to provide an Asterisk 
solution to businesses.  That's the way I see it.  Yea, it's a wiki but 
it's the best source of info out there.


Suggestion: switch to something else!!  Why stoop to use something you 
seem to disdain so fully?


Take your complaints elsewhere.  Just a reminder: Asterisk is free.

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Re: [asterisk-users] asterisk on mini-itx

2007-03-10 Thread Brian Capouch

Chris Mason (Lists) wrote:

Here's how I do it.
Buy complete fanless system flash card ready unit with four ethernet 
interfaces:

http://www.ibt.ca/v2/items/fwa7204/index.html
It is very small, in an aluminium extrusion case, very robust.



What kind of money are those things?  There doesn't seem to be any price 
information on the website you linked to.


Thx.

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Re: [asterisk-users] REALTIME and VIEW ENTIRE DIALPLAN

2007-03-09 Thread Brian Capouch

Davis Sylvester III wrote:

Is there a way to view the entire dialplan when using Realtime?

I use Realtime and MySQL connector.


If you mean the contents of .conf-file based merged with whatever the 
Realtime engine is supplying, I don't think there's a way of seeing both 
together.


But you can use the standard CLI dialplan revelation tools in conjuction 
with the standard MySQL table listing tools to see everything in two pieces.


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Re: [asterisk-users] REALTIME and VIEW ENTIRE DIALPLAN

2007-03-09 Thread Brian Capouch

Davis Sylvester III wrote:

Brian Capouch wrote:


Davis Sylvester III wrote:


Is there a way to view the entire dialplan when using Realtime?

I use Realtime and MySQL connector.



If you mean the contents of .conf-file based merged with whatever the 
Realtime engine is supplying, I don't think there's a way of seeing 
both together.


But you can use the standard CLI dialplan revelation tools in 
conjuction with the standard MySQL table listing tools to see 
everything in two pieces.


B.

HOw do I see the mysql stuff from the CLI.  I know I can do a show 
dialplan from the CLI to see the .conf files stuff but not aware of how 
to see the mysql stuff.




From the dialplan, you can't.  The essence of Relatime (modulo the 
caching that it does) is that the server *doesn't* keep configuration 
state that can be gotten with the Realtime engine; it looks it up 
dynamically.


In other words, the proper tool for seeing the part that lives in DB 
tables is the tool that comes with the DB that extracts that information 
from the database backend.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Asterisk Realtime

2007-03-07 Thread Brian Capouch

Mike Hammett wrote:


[Mar  7 14:12:37] DEBUG[4380]: res_config_mysql.c:623 mysql_reconnect: MySQL
RealTime: Successfully connected to database.
[Mar  7 14:12:37] NOTICE[4380]: config.c:1174 ast_config_engine_register:
Registered Config Engine mysql
[Mar  7 14:12:37] NOTICE[4380]: config.c:1174 ast_config_engine_register:
Registered Config Engine mysql
MySQL RealTime driver loaded.
res_config_mysql.so = (MySQL RealTime Configuration Driver)



All that looks fine.

What do you get when you do realtime mysql status?

The next areas to look at would be your DB configs, and debug status 
when you actually try to use one of the entries in your DB. . .


I only use it for iaxpeers/users and extensions, so I can't comment much 
on its use with SIP or voicemail.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Asterisk Realtime

2007-03-01 Thread Brian Capouch

Mike Hammett wrote:
Could someone provide some steps for troubleshooting Realtime?  I can’t 
see any signs that it’s working.  I followed and double-checked a few 
different guides around the net, but haven’t been able to figure it out.


You don't say which version you're running.

I *think* the syntax is the same for both:

realtime driver-name status

will show you the status.  For postgres it's pgsql for driver name 
(that's what I use).  I think the other driver ids are mysql and odbc.


If you don't see yourself connected, that's where to start.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Sending SMS

2007-02-25 Thread Brian Capouch

Supa wrote:

Try this:
http://www.bayhamsystems.com/asterisk.html

Works for me just fine, and it is very easy to get up and running, even 
with older version 1.2.3




Anyone out there running it against 1.4.0?

It built just fine for me, but then it crashes the server when I try to 
run it.  Crashes on both original-flavor 1.4.0 and the newer SVN version.


Thx.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Sending SMSa

2007-02-25 Thread Brian Capouch

Michiel van Baak wrote:

On 17:53, Sun 25 Feb 07, Brian Capouch wrote:


Supa wrote:


Try this:
http://www.bayhamsystems.com/asterisk.html

Works for me just fine, and it is very easy to get up and running, even 
with older version 1.2.3




Anyone out there running it against 1.4.0?

It built just fine for me, but then it crashes the server when I try to 
run it.  Crashes on both 1.4.x and the SVN-trunk versions.


Thx.



I assume that you want the asterisk module here.
I never tried that, the agi is easier :)
Try the agi version, that should work on all versions of
asterisk.



I solved it.

It appears that Asterisk (1.4.x and SVN-trunk) will go ahead and happily 
build any app_whatever.c code one puts into the apps directory, so 
getting the file for app_fastSMS and putting it in there causes it to be 
built.


But without first going through the menuselect process before it's 
built, the appropriate libraries don't get linked in to the module, and 
after Asterisk loads it very, very funky things begin to happen.  This 
application requires the same libraries as func_curl.


There are two fixes--the correct one is to add the appropriate skeleton 
code into the menuselect-tree source files, which I leave as an exercise 
for the reader.


The kludge is to just pretend that you did, and add the line:

MENUSELECT_DEPENDS_app_fastsms=CURL

to menuselect.makedeps at the toplevel directory.

The INSTALL document that comes with the source code doesn't mention 
this requisite; I wonder how many people running 1.4.x have actually 
tried to build it. . .


I'm cross-posting to -dev for archival reasons, as an FYI to folks there 
who might be interested.  Hope that's OK with you -dev types.


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Re: [asterisk-users] CWI, call-limit and incominglimit

2007-02-24 Thread Brian Capouch

Pavel Jezek wrote:




it can be also usefull to use 'limitonpeer' option in sip.conf
with this, it would not be needed to define separate type=user and 
type=peer for each phone,

instead define one type=friend and apply limitonpeers=yes


;limitonpeers=no; Apply all call limits (limit=) only 
to peers, never
   ; to users. This improves handling of 
call limits
   ; and device states in certain 
situations. The user part
   ; of a type=friend will still be affected 
by the call
   ; limit, but Asterisk will only use one 
object for

   ; counting the simultaneous calls.


I'm a little confused about the comments shown above, which I assume are 
from sip.conf.


limitonpeers=yes would seem to imply that the limit= value would only 
apply to the peer portion of the sip user.


But the included comments say, The user part of a type=friend call will 
still be affected by the call limit


Those seem to be in conflict, but perhaps it's just my parser :-)  Could 
someone clueful explain?


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Re: [asterisk-users] cisco sip firmware update for cisco 7970

2007-02-24 Thread Brian Capouch

Tim Connolly wrote:
You can buy smartnet on a single phone for something like $8 a year. 
This will get you in legally.




Any idea about how specifically to get such a contract?  It is rumored 
to be pretty tricky.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Problem with busydetect and cell phones

2007-02-18 Thread Brian Capouch

Stephen Bosch wrote:


Have you tried calling ATT and asking for call disconnect supervision?

I realise that this can be a thankless and tedious endeavour, but it IS
worth trying. There are almost no commercial switches that don't support
this; it's a matter of activating it for the specific circuit in
software. Particularly if you have a business line -- you can demand it.
All PBXs need it if they use analog lines (and plenty still do) so I'm
sure this is not an alien concept to ATT. It's just a matter of finding
the right Earthling there who can help you.

This might be one of those times where a beer with the technician will
get you some joy, if calling Repair doesn't give you any joy.



Better luck with ATT than I had with the Monon Telephone Company.

They have a switch that's fairly new, so I called them--I'm a loyal but 
tightly captive customer of the last 25 years.


Their chief technician told me, Sure, our switch is new.  There's 
nothing to it more than a setting on a software screen.  But we don't 
have to do it because it's not in our tariffs.  So forget it.


And then he hung up on me.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Problem with busydetect and cell phones

2007-02-18 Thread Brian Capouch

Stephen Bosch wrote:



And then he hung up on me.



...wow.

This society is doomed.



Actually, it isn't so much society as the legacy telcos.

But unfortunately, they've been pretty smart about using the billions 
that they've stolen from us over the years: they use a lot of it to line 
the pockets of our legislators, and then have them write laws (such as 
the recent SBC Benficiency Law in Indiana) that stifle competition in 
the local loop and put their competitors at a disadvantage.


Martin at the FCC has been a disaster for competition; SBC now has all 
the old ATT properties, and they're just a few new regulatory laws away 
from having their monopoly back.


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Re: [asterisk-users] PRI Call Start

2007-02-14 Thread Brian Capouch

Stephen Bosch wrote:



And use a different Wiki engine! Augh! (Mediawiki, anyone?)

Who runs voip-info.org?



I'll bet if you volunteered to take it over, the folks who run it would 
gladly let you have it


And I'd further bet they'd gladly let you run whichever Wiki software 
you want!!


Otherwise, it strikes me as unseemly for you to criticize the way it's 
being done.


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Re: [asterisk-users] List problem handling HTML E-mails?

2007-02-08 Thread Brian Capouch

Yuan Liu wrote:

My multiple postings to this list this morning got garbled in 
http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/, and don't come back from 
list. (e.g., 
http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2007-February/179315.html)  I 
thought it was Hotmail, so I saved one outgoing mail and checked that it's 
correct.  Anyone else experiencing same?



The postings that I saw from you came in HTML format.

This one did not.

I don't know if that's germane, but I wanted to mention it.

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Re: [asterisk-users] realtime extensions, labels

2007-01-12 Thread Brian Capouch

Julian Lyndon-Smith wrote:
I cannot seem to find any reference to labels in realtime extensions - 
using 1.4.


I've googled until my eyes have bled, and also scoured voip-info.org.

Is there anything that helps me here ?



You have to have numbered priorities with realtime.

This is because (as I understand it, corrections very welcome) in the 
case of file-based configuration it is parsed once into an internal 
structure, so the parser can make use of the n construct to autonumber.


Realtime is totally dynamic, so that convenience doesn't apply.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Best inexpensive home office router forVoIP (QoS with maybe PoE)

2007-01-10 Thread Brian Capouch

Jon Pounder wrote:


Buzzwrong answer!  Don't answer on things you have no idea.  and 
stop providing bad information.



you should take your own advice  - an acre is 200ft x 200ft - what idiot 
would
pay a consultant $7000 to tell them they need one access point in the 
middle.




This is getting ridiculous.

As a farmer's son, I must report that your acre is a bit too small. 
Perhaps you meant *approximately* 200x200?


A square acre is 208.710325571 feet on a side, or 43,560 square feet.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Some queries on g729 license.

2007-01-08 Thread Brian Capouch

Al Bochter wrote:

Matthew

I agree. I only know what I have told by others so I do need this input

I have been told that Digum G729 is a big pain the the butt to get 
working with Asterisk

and it is very hard on the CPU

Keep in mind I have never used any Ver. of G 729

So tell me what you think.



I know you didn't ask me, but I think you should talk less and listen more.

You have now had two sessions of knocking over the china on this list in 
the past week or so, and neither time have you come out of it looking 
very good to other members of the community.


As long as patent laws apply in the US--and there is still no looming 
relief for the idiotic state that things are in--if you use G729 in the 
US in anything other than extremely restricted uses, you must pay the 
appropriate license fees.


Pretty much period.

The topic of free G729 is very shopworn on this list, and if you had 
spent some time reading past posts before starting in, it would have 
been a lot better for all of us.


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Re: [asterisk-users] How accurate is show translation?

2006-12-25 Thread Brian Capouch

Steve Underwood wrote:

Paul Hales wrote:


When you built Asterisk, it must have refused to build the ilbc codec -
I have never seen an Asterisk box that could not transcode ilbc, in over
3 years of working with Asterisk.



Most versions of embedded Asterisk will choke unto unusable if they are 
faced with transcoding t/f iLBC.  Without an FPU they can't keep up with 
the audio stream.


Nice while tripping on acid; otherwise of no use whatsoever.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Need quality toll free 800 number over IAX?

2006-12-23 Thread Brian Capouch
Folks, with all due respect: this thread is now wy off topic, as it 
has nothing to do with Asterisk whatsoever.


Please take it offline, or to ~biz.

thx.

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Re: [asterisk-users] How to park calls on a specific extension

2006-11-29 Thread Brian Capouch

Lacy Moore - Aspendora wrote:

I think that's the problem with the Asterisk community right now.  
Anytime something is suggested, the response is either write it yourself 
or deal with what is there.
 


Do you have experience with other big, complex Open Source projects?  Do 
you know of any where the end users sit and pitch requests, and the 
developers read them and say, Yes, sir.  I'm here to serve you!!


Does Digium want feedback on what actual, real users want, or not?  If 
not, fine.  I won't be making another suggestion.




Everyone's suggestions are seen and considered.  But what goes into the 
code is unlikely to be what a user-only has suggested unless one of 
the developers becomes convinced that a given feature is worth the time 
that will be required to implement and test it.


I think it's childish to tell someone who is requesting a feature to 
write it themselves.  Did you ever stop to think that if they could, 
they wouldn't be asking for that feature?
 

. . short litany of complaints elided . . .
 
I won't be doing another Asterisk install for a while.  Customer #2 has 
made sure of that by telling everyone how their new phone system sucks.  




But seriously, the attitude of either write it yourself or deal with it 
won't cut it for business users.  If Asterisk is only for geeks, then 
fine, it will work perfectly. 
 


Have you looked into Asterisk Business Edition?  If your customers are 
having that bad of a time, you may have sold the system before becoming 
familiar enough with what Asterisk does and how it does it.


It doesn't help anyone to have someone do an install and then have the 
end user thinking the system sucks.


If it sucked as bad as you portray it in this mail, the lists wouldn't 
be so laden with mails--including suggestions from endusers such as you.


Complaints are always considered, but calling the developers childish 
and repeating that complaint over and over in an email isn't likely to 
do much to advance the cause you've taken on.


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[asterisk-users] Anyone got a dialplan for SPA ATAs for ISN?

2006-10-30 Thread Brian Capouch
After John Todd's talk at Astricon about the ISN project, I spent much 
of the weekend playing around with it.


I have discovered that the default dialplans on my Sipura gear, as well 
as my Grandstream phones, intercept the * key that is a required part 
of ISN numbers and interpret it as a metacharacter.


Googling for a while has turned up evidence that this can be corrected 
by a carefully-crafted dialplan for the Sipuras, at least, but the 
avaialable documentation is, let's say, a little convoluted.


I'm wondering if anyone on the list has cracked this, and would be 
willing to share the gobbledygook string needed to effect the proper 
behavior.


Thanks.

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Re: [asterisk-users] No Authority Found

2006-10-25 Thread Brian Capouch

Andrew Joakimsen wrote:



Another thing is my understanding of the peer, user and friend. I 
thought that a peer can only receive calls from either a user or a 
friend, a user sends calls to a peer or friend and a friend is both a 
peer and a user, however in my production machine I have the following 
configured:




You have it backwards.

Peers terminate calls--that is they provide a connection to a remote 
endpoint.


Users originate calls into your system from the outside world.

Friends do both, but last I knew the cheeses have deprecated the use of 
friend in favor of explicit peers and users.


And yes, this certainly could impact your connections both inbound and 
outgoing, causing the error message you report.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Embedded Asterisk

2006-10-20 Thread Brian Capouch

Kristian Kielhofner wrote:

Administrator TOOTAI wrote:


Cory Andrews wrote:


I caught a thread the other day concerning Astricon and users embedding
Asterisk on a Linksys or Netgear broadband router.  I lost track of the
email thread, if anyone is presently working with this scenario 
please shoot

me an email.




Cory,

OpenWRT -running on Linksys WRT- has asterisk packages.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# ipkg list | grep asterisk
asterisk - 1.0.10-1 - An open source PBX
asterisk-chan-mgcp - 1.0.10-1 - a Media Gateway Control Protocol 
implementation for Asterisk
asterisk-chan-skinny - 1.0.10-1 - a Skinny Client Control Protocol 
implementation for Asterisk
asterisk-codec-ilbc - 1.0.10-1 - an Internet Low Bitrate Codec (ILBC) 
Translator for Asterisk
asterisk-codec-lpc10 - 1.0.10-1 - an LPC10 (Linear Predictor Code) 
2.4kbps Voice Coder for Asterisk
asterisk-codec-speex - 1.0.10-1 - a Speex/PCM16 Codec Translator for 
Asterisk

asterisk-mini - 1.0.10-1 - A minimal open source PBX
asterisk-mysql - 1.0.10-1 - MySQL modules for Asterisk
asterisk-pbx-dundi - 1.0.10-1 - Distributed Universal Number Discovery 
(DUNDi) support for Asterisk

asterisk-pgsql - 1.0.10-1 - PostgreSQL modules for Asterisk
asterisk-res-agi - 1.0.10-1 - Asterisk Gateway Interface module
asterisk-sounds - 1.0.10-1 - a sounds collection for Asterisk
asterisk-voicemail - 1.0.10-1 - VoiceMail related modules for Asterisk



Daniel,

Those are ancient!  Capouch has MUCH newer packages.

--


Mine probably aren't managed as well.  I'm a one-person operation with 
too many irons in the fire!!


Has anybody out there, on non-FPU embedded platorms, made any good use 
of things like ilbc and Speex?


I downloaded those packages a while back but they were dramatically 
unusuable on either the WGT or the WRT models.


Maybe I'm missing something?

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[asterisk-users] Netgear WGT Flash-fest at Astricon

2006-10-18 Thread Brian Capouch
Just an FYI to anyone out there who will be attending Astricon and who 
would like to play around with embedded Asterisk on the Netgear WGT634U 
platform.


If you want to bring your own to the show, I'll be bringing all the 
appropriate stuff to flash them there with my latest openWGT/Asterisk 
build.


They are available from www.justdeals.com, refurbs, for $44.95 delivered.

You'll also need a USB flash drive.  I use 256MB, but Asterisk can be 
set up to use as little as 32MB.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Netgear WGT Flash-fest at Astricon

2006-10-18 Thread Brian Capouch

Kristian Kielhofner wrote:


Do you have the necessary components for a serial cable for these 
little guys?  I would like to play with the loader and get a serial 
console...


If you don't have one perhaps we can work on getting the parts 
before then.




I have one, and also will be bringing the necessary components to build 
another one--although I would prefer not to do so just right now--so 
that anyone interested can see how the commercial one is constructed 
on the inside.


I have a beginning programming student who was charged today to 
breadboard up a few more of these, and, if he gets good at it, to make 
up a few of them.


We're using these things like crazy now in quite a variety of use cases; 
I recently added, at a customer's request, policy routing and traffic 
shaping capabilities.  They have proven to be quite reliable also acting 
as client WISP CPE.  A $90 pair of them provides client CPE, a local 
premises AP, and a small-volume Asterisk server.


I built 1.2.13 for it tonight.  Kenny from Digium, a former student of 
mine, has implemented a proof of concept remote training server on 
one, where we use screen to provide the student with a way to watch an 
expert administrator fiddle with a system's configuration.


They're great fun, and a harbinger of a future direction in bottom 
feeder telephony, which is the space I inhabit :-)


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Re: [asterisk-users] Reception Console

2006-10-16 Thread Brian Capouch

Scott Higginbotham wrote:

I'm interesting in testing this.



OFF LIST PLEASE, FOLKS!!

The list has enough traffic without the 10,000 me too mails that are 
likely to follow if nobody points out that it's bad netiquette.


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Re: [asterisk-users] VoipSupply? [Semi-Urgent]

2006-10-16 Thread Brian Capouch

Jay R. Ashworth wrote:

On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 10:21:29PM -0400, C F wrote:


On 10/16/06, VaibhaV Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I don't think this is a problem because of the snow storm.



Yo, all; please take this thread where it belongs, which is the -biz list.

It is not relevant to the operation and/or configuration of Asterisk.

Please?

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Re: [asterisk-users] Why is this happening?

2006-10-16 Thread Brian Capouch

Matt wrote:

Ok I understand all that... Just wanted to confirm that A) it was the
remote router mangeling the port and B) that it wouldn't cause an
issue (I wasn't 100% sure if it would.. since only the 4569 port is
open on the firewall).

Could this cause an issue?  If only 4569 is open on the firewall, and
IAX tries to setup the connection and then move to a port that isn't
opened wouldn't this cause one-way audio, or no audio at all?




If a remote NAT router has mangled the port that Asterisk is using to 
some other value, then that is the port--from the perspective of the 
local Asterisk server--that it will be using to effect communications 
with the remote endpoint.


At the other end, the NAT router will handle the appropriate translation 
from that port to the port being used on the Asterisk server.


I do this all the time, and the reason I say the port being used on the 
Asterisk server is because IAX is able to handle any number of such 
mappings without problem.


The only problem I have is NAT routers that have very short timeouts set 
on such mappings.  There are ways to get around that problem, but that 
discussion isn't germane here unless you have identified that as being 
the situation in this case.


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Re: [asterisk-users] How big is *your* dialplan??

2006-10-12 Thread Brian Capouch

Douglas Garstang wrote:

I don't get it. The clients are ok with their phone systems being down anywhere 
from minutes to hours?
 


Try googling for cost benefit.  I got 135 million hits.

Your brain has some very odd twists in the way it works.

Or you're a troll.

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Re: [asterisk-users] RE: Welcome to the asterisk-users mailing list

2006-10-11 Thread Brian Capouch

Issac Simchayof wrote:

Polycom 601 with Sip 2.01
Anyone using Sip 2.01? I have upgraded my phones and now presence no longer
functions. 
Buddy list shows all phones online but status does not change when someone

is on a call. Also blf does not function.

I am using trixbox, 1.67 was working fine on the same box.




Any ideas?



Yes.  Don't use such a useless subject for your queries to the list, and 
you might find them better received. . .


The archives of this list is a valuable resource for those doing due 
diligence before bothering list members.  A subject like yours hides the 
 intent and content of your message totally, making it worthless as a 
subject search target.


Why not SIP 2.01 on Polycom?

Too late now, though :-)

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Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Real-time and priority n

2006-10-08 Thread Brian Capouch

Tony Mountifield wrote:

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Ronald Wiplinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Is it exclusive? Either Realtime or priority n ???

If so, what is the better way?



I believe 'n' is just a shorthand way of writing previous line + 1,
and gets converted into an actual number as the dialplan is compiled.
After compilation, the information about whether a line had been given
as 'n' or as a specific number has been lost, as far as I know.



Rows can be added to a database table at any time.  Imagine a series of 
priorities added to a table using nothing more than n as a priority 
number beyond the first one.


Now imagine wanting to add a new priority in between any two arbitrary 
entries in the table.  How would you even specify which two lines should 
surround it, when they have no identifying serial number associated 
with them?


Unless you were to add a new field, e.g. priority location identifier, 
or somesuch.  Which does nothing more than move back to the present 
situation.


The extensions.conf parser adds a real priority to each line, but in 
Realtime that responsibility falls on the DB maintainer.


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[asterisk-users] New ptlib dependency-requirement in SVN-trunk?

2006-09-28 Thread Brian Capouch
Suddenly I can't get SVN-trunk to build anymore; the configure script is 
looking for something related to ptlib I don't have:


checking for /root/pwlib/include/ptlib.h... no
checking for /usr/local/include/ptlib.h... yes
checking for ptlib-config... no
checking for ptlib-config... no
Cannot find ptlib-config - please install and try again

Starting ./configure --without-ptlib does no good.

I had never even heard of ptlib; the header file it found says it's a 
Portable Windows Library.


Anyone with a clue on this I'd be grateful to get things to build again.

Thx.

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Re: [asterisk-users] SER with multiple asterisk deployment

2006-09-27 Thread Brian Capouch

Douglas Garstang wrote:

If your referring to using AVP operations to peek into the SIP message, and 
determine state, good luck finding documentation on that!


	From: Jeremy McNamara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 



Douglas Garstang wrote:
 It won't work, unless you make sure that transfers go through the same
 asterisk server as the orignal call went through. Using the SER
 dispatcher won't fix that.



ONCE again, design your system correctly and it won't matter which
Asterisk box processes your calls - including transfers.

No, I won't elaborate, so don't ask.



That's funny, Doug, you giving advice to Jeremy.

My favorite CS teacher in college, with almost maddening frequency, 
would answer our questions about the operational characteristics of the 
software we were working on by tugging ponderously on his chin, looking 
up at the ceiling, then busting a big grin and then saying, I don't 
know.  What does the source code say?


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Re: [asterisk-users] Re: Very high ping times from 7960 phones

2006-09-25 Thread Brian Capouch

Michiel van Baak wrote:

On 09:42, Mon 25 Sep 06, Tomislav Par?ina wrote:


In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...

I'm sure other people are using 7960 phones so maybe someone could have 
a quick look at what time sip show peers reports? When I do a 'sip show 
peers' all my cisco 7960 phones report times  150ms. Every single one. 
I've scoured the settings on the 7960's and have looked and looked for 
why this might be the case. Cisco ata's (186) on the same network report 
~ 10 ms. An xlite softphone reports ~ 5ms regardless of what computer 
it's installed on.



I have the same here. All between 150 and 250 ms.
The phones do work perfectly, only the time in sip show
peers is higher then any other phone/device.


That is a classic (and, AFAIK innocuous) behavior of the original Cisco 
ATA-186 ATAs as well.


Nobody was ever able to explain why they are that way, but it seems to 
normal behavior.


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Re: [asterisk-users] RE: 1.4 Beta 2 Config Problem

2006-09-23 Thread Brian Capouch

Andres wrote:

Andres wrote:




exten = 8600,13,GotoIf($[${CALLERID(number)} = 2013]?50:51)

exten = 8600,50,Set(CALLERID(number)=2000)


You are missing a parenthesis.
It should read:
exten = 8600,50,Set(CALLERID(number)=2000))




I just tried with a fairly recent version of SVN head--a close precursor 
of the 1.4 beta code--and the following syntax works just fine:


exten = 99,1,Set(CALLERID(num)=2025452432)
exten = 99,n,Dial(SIP/btel)

I sent this call to a Budgetone 101 that speaks out the CallerID, and it 
read back the correct value.


HTH.

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Re: [asterisk-users] (no subject)

2006-09-20 Thread Brian Capouch

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

Looking for good rates for UK Landline  Mobile. Plus Saudi Arabia, UAE,
India  Pakistan.



This is a -biz question, not -users.

Also, do you realize how bad it makes you look that you can't even 
bother to put a subject on your mail?


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Re: [asterisk-users] Digium GUI?

2006-09-18 Thread Brian Capouch

Douglas Garstang wrote:

I wonder if the look and feel of this GUI will be completely configurable. If 
it's not, then I really don't think that's very useful. Service providers 
wouldn't be able to use it to let their customers manage their own settings, 
and customers wouldn't want to use it if it wasn't branded with their company 
info.
 


This might set a record beating out your many prior incidents of tacky 
behavior.


Not content to let Digium release the product and *then* criticize it, 
you're already getting your licks in before you've even seen it.


Audacious!

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Re: [asterisk-users] Realtime Extensions -- Comments?

2006-08-23 Thread Brian Capouch

Douglas Garstang wrote:



It doesn't matter where you turn in Asterisk, there's gotcha's. For example, you can't put the hint stuff into realtime, and there's no inherint way to comment extensions. 



It doesn't seem like Asterisk is good enough for you Doug.

Switch to one of the competitors' products.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Realtime and labels

2006-08-21 Thread Brian Capouch

Douglas Garstang wrote:

Does anyone know if realtime extensions support the use of labels?



I don't believe so.

As I understand it, the dialplan parser internally converts n-type and 
labeled priorities to a straight numeric format, which is then used 
internally.


Becuase the Realtime engine bypasses that parser, it has to have 
extensions in strict, old-style numeric priority order.


If this isn't correct I'm sure someone will point it out.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's

2006-08-15 Thread Brian Capouch

Douglas Garstang wrote:
Can anyone recommend the best Manager Interface API, putting language 
preferences aside?
 
The python and perl ones have bupkiss documentation. I can't understand 
why anyone would even write an api and make it publically available 
without documenting it.
 


Have you taken your be nice on the lists pill today?

The most likely explanation is that people have written these interfaces 
primarily for their own use, and when they decided to share with others, 
only had/made time to minimally document them.


Do you understand that?  You've got me doubting you can't understand 
such things, so I wonder why you *say* you don't understand.


Unless you enjoy being a troll.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Manager Interface API's

2006-08-15 Thread Brian Capouch

John Novack wrote:

I, for one, didn't take his comment as anything other than constructive
Lack of documentation is an issue, open source or not.
It is an unfortunate situation that many very smart coders understand 
what they have created, but are unwilling or unable to supply enough 
information for many others to make effective use of their creation
How many have struggled through the years with uncommented or poorly 
commented code when the original creator is off to greener pastures?




I have struggled like that on a great number of occasions, and know 
perfectly what you are describing.


But I don't think it's fair to blame people in the Open Source 
community for not doing pro-grade documentation.  They give away what 
they write; if it's useful, all good.  If not, then buy a commercial 
product, or move to another OS product that has better documentation.


Especially in this case, where the overwhelming likelihood is that the 
programmers wrote the APIs primarily for their own use, I don't think 
it's fair to be casting Garstangian aspersions.  Those APIs aren't big 
public projects, but rather labors of love that don't have the kind of 
support staff to handle a robust public face.


MO.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Ever donate Software to Digium? If you did your a fool.

2006-08-09 Thread Brian Capouch

EVERYONE PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLL!!

That post was done only for the sake of generating responses, and we do 
no one any favors by taking the bait.


thx.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Garbled initial voicemail prompt

2006-08-03 Thread Brian Capouch

Joshua Colp wrote:

- Original Message -
From: Frank Tarczynski
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: asterisk-users@lists.digium.com
Sent: Thu,
03 Aug 2006 07:16:15 -0300
Subject: [asterisk-users] Garbled initial
voicemail prompt




I'm having a problem where the very first words of the Asterisk voicemail
system prompt are distorted into a loud ear-splitting beep. When I dial my
VoiceMailMain extension I get this loud beep followed by the rest of the
initial voicemail system prompt.  After that everything works fine.  I've
have this problem under both v1.2.6 (self-compiled) and now under 1.2.10
(under Astlinux).

My handset is connected to my asterisk box through an iaxy.  With the
exception of this voicemail prompt problem everything else seems to work
fine.  The relevant portions of my voicemail.conf and extensions.conf are
list below:




If you do an Answer and then a Wait(2) before going to VoiceMailMain in your 
dialplan does this solve the issue? It might just allow time for everything to 
settle but I can't say I've ever heard of someone getting audio like you're 
describing.




Back in the day such a thing used to happen as part of the ADSI stuff 
that was in the codebase.


Or at least that is what I was told caused the screeching at the 
beginning of the voicemail mail entry.  This has been a long time ago, 
but the description in the email describes that behavior perfectly.


FWIW.

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Re: [asterisk-users] RDNIS and IAX2

2006-07-25 Thread Brian Capouch

Douglas Garstang wrote:

I'll probably get blasted for this. I hope I'm wrong, and then a little 
blasting is ok. It appears that Asterisk may have let us down again as a 
'carrier grade' solution.



Did the list software screw up, or did you post this exact same mail 
yesterday?


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[asterisk-users] Missing close quote in CallerID breaks SIP. . .workaround?

2006-07-23 Thread Brian Capouch
I posted about this some while back, and at that point was told the 
remote end is broken, nothing we can do about it.


The problem: for whatever reason, some CallerID names come in broken. 
There is an example CLI trace shown below.


My question: is there anything I can do to fix this, since there's 
nothing I can really do about the broken value being passed in?  The 
call never completes in this instance. . .


Thanks.

B.

** snip **

Jul 24 01:02:10 WARNING[180]: chan_sip.c:1559 get_in_brackets: No 
closing quote found in 'Lubbock  T 
sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED];tag=f6ae058c3893f37fo1'


Jul 24 01:02:10 NOTICE[180]: chan_sip.c:7112 check_user_full: From 
address missing 'sip:', using it anyway


Jul 24 01:02:10 WARNING[180]: chan_sip.c:1559 get_in_brackets: No 
closing quote found in 'Lubbock  T 
sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED];tag=f6ae058c3893f37fo1'


Jul 24 01:02:10 WARNING[180]: chan_sip.c:6650 get_destination: Huh?  Not 
a SIP header (Lubbock  T 
sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED];tag=f6ae058c3893f37fo1)?


Jul 24 01:02:30 WARNING[180]: chan_sip.c:1217 retrans_pkt: Maximum 
retries exceeded on transmission [EMAIL PROTECTED] for 
seqno 101 (Critical Response)


Jul 24 01:02:45 WARNING[180]: chan_sip.c:1217 retrans_pkt: Maximum 
retries exceeded on transmission [EMAIL PROTECTED] for 
seqno 101 (Critical Response)


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Re: [asterisk-users] Re: asterisk-users Digest, Vol 24, Issue 116

2006-07-21 Thread Brian Capouch
Nobody is going to pay much attention to your help requests if you can't 
even figure out how to set it up so the subject header reflects what the 
problem is all about.


Why don't you try again with an appropriate subject?

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Re: [asterisk-users] Sipura ATA's Forwarding PSTN Calls to Asterisk

2006-07-21 Thread Brian Capouch

Douglas Garstang wrote:

I'm working with a Sipura 3000 ATA here. I'm trying to get incoming PSTN calls 
on the FXO port to go automatically to Asterisk. I have it working, but I had 
to configure the ATA to register with Asterisk, which means that all calls are 
being sent to Asterisk with a caller id of the username used to register with 
Asterisk.

I want the real caller ID to be sent to Asterisk, which means I don't want the 
ATA to register. The badly written Sipura docs aren't clear about how to do 
this. Anyone set this up?



That's not correct.

My SPA-3000 FXO port registers with my Asterisk server, and when the 
PSTN calls come in, it uses the incoming caller's CallerID for the call.


Sounds like you have something misconfigured.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Codec Negotiation

2006-07-21 Thread Brian Capouch

Douglas Garstang wrote:

Can't put it in a realtime database. We have multiple Asterisk boxes in a 
cluster, and it's a well known fact that multiple Asterisk boxes using realime 
cannot query a common MySQL database. Sounds crazy, but true.



You spread some amazing well-known facts on this list.  As usual 
salted with your typical choice of words that implies that Asterisk has 
crazy flaws that no sane programmer would countenance.


I have a dozen or more Asterisk boxes that all query the exact same 
Realtime database.  The setup works fine, and the time to deploy a new 
station with very elaborate functionality is reduced to minutes.  The 
ability to rearrange behaviors on the fly is also a great feature.  I 
love ARA.


I use Postgres and not MySQL, but I can't believe that the choice is SQL 
engine would make a difference.


I think you confuse the requirements of your deployment scenario, which 
a few minutes ago on this list you yourself characterized as 
ridiculous, with underlying common features of Asterisk used in 
quotidian circumstances.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Codec Negotiation

2006-07-21 Thread Brian Capouch

Douglas Garstang wrote:




Would you like me to dig up the posts from Keving Fleming stating that this is 
known not to work Brian?


As I recall those posts have to do with the way your particular setup 
required ARA to work with a failover/redundant cluster system you were 
building.


Beyond that I'm not really interested in getting into a pissing contest. 
 I have ONE SQL table called extensions_table on ONE SQL server, but 
have maybe 20 SIP phones using that same database, placing calls from 
10-12 separate Asterisk instances.


I was calling into question your presenting a well-known fact  that 
appears to be incorrect.  If Kevin sees this and wants to chime in to 
support your statement and tell me that my experience is somehow an 
illusion, he's certainly welcome to do so.  I have experienced the taste 
of crow, and eat it when needed.  You?


Can certain situations be construed where ARA will not do exactly what 
the administrator wants?  Apparently, from reading some of your posts, true.


Can multiple Asterisk servers be set up to use a single database 
instance to store common configuration information?  Certainly true, 
from my and many other people's experiences.


The thrust of my post was to refute the fact, and to suggest you 
perhaps adopt a little less inflammatory rhetoric when you post to this 
list.


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Re: [asterisk-users] Sipura ATA's Forwarding PSTN Calls to Asterisk

2006-07-21 Thread Brian Capouch

Douglas Garstang wrote:



Here's my invite Brian. The From: is always going to contain the auth id the 
ATA used to register with Asterisk.

INVITE sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP xxx.187.142.203:5060;branch=z9hG4bK208dd2be;rport
From: Cody XXX-527-7107 sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED];tag=as3a94778b
To: sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Contact: sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


And here's one from a call I just placed.  Note the dissimilarities 
between the From: and Contact: fields on mine and the snippet of yours 
shown above.


I suspect there is an option somewhere on one of the PSTN tabs on the 
SPA-3000 that has to be set correctly to enable the pass-through.  I 
don't have time right now to play around with it--my system is working 
just fine :-)  192.168.1.1 is my Asterisk server, and the ATA is at 
192.168.1.113.


AstIn is the display name I chose for the registration, btw.

B.

INVITE sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIP/2.0
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 192.168.1.113:5061;branch=z9hG4bK-3c04a2ec
From: Capouch B sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED];tag=5e2ab9e072a1a2cco1
To: sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Call-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CSeq: 101 INVITE
Max-Forwards: 70
Contact: AstIn sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:5061

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Re: [asterisk-users] Please suggest me Best VoIP Service Provider

2006-07-19 Thread Brian Capouch

Take this to the -biz list, PLEASE.

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[asterisk-users] Using dproxy to solve no DNS hangs everything problem?

2006-07-18 Thread Brian Capouch

The subject pretty much says it.

Wondering if there's anyone out there who, as an alternative to 
hard-coding IP addresses in /etc/hosts, has implemented dproxy or 
somesuch to enable Asterisk to survive DNS outages.


I had a royal mess on my hands this morning after my Internet connection 
went down for a while.  No DNS = No Anything if there are FQDNs in the 
conf files.  The server hangs, affecting the Zap stuff too, which is WAY 
bad for me.


I need to bite this particular bullet.  My POTS line was offhook all 
morning because my Internet was out, and the first call that came in 
caused everything to freeze up and the channels were all hung.


Thanks.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Using dproxy to solve no DNS hangs everythingproblem?

2006-07-18 Thread Brian Capouch

James Harper wrote:



This is a problem that affects more than just asterisk, so I'm sure
there are solutions out there!

One thing you might do is to put a trailing '.' on all fully qualified
DNS names. Without the '.', the system will first try appending the
default domain(s), which will cause extra lookups and delays. If all the
names that you care about can be resolved locally without needing the
internet then the trailing '.' should make it work much faster.

Of course, I'm assuming that you do have a local DNS of some sort, and
the delays you are seeing are caused by your systems thinking they want
to look up external names.



Well after three hours of playing, and knowing it's rank awful to 
respond to your own posts, I would like to review what I've learned and 
maybe save someone else a few million headaches.


I installed dproxy, which is a caching nameserver, and thought at first 
my problems were all solved.  I could lookup names just fine on the 
machine, I saw the names show up in the dproxy cache file (including the 
names of the IAX and SIP servers I register with).  I made a test call 
through one of my ITSPs and it worked just fine.


Then the sky fell: a PSTN call came in, and as the server rang the 
phones in the house (one of which is a SIP phone) things locked up 
tight, just like there wasn't any DNS!!


I did a little boinking around on the CLI, and noticed that all my IAX 
registrations had gone just fine, BUT NOT ONE OF THE SIP REGISTRATIONS 
succeeded.


I'll cut to the quick, although I have to disclaim this as the best 
guess I have: it turns out that if the DNS server the Asterisk box is 
pointing to doesn't do SRV lookups, and srvlookup=yes in sip.conf, 
it's Goodbye Joe.


I set that option to no and restarted.  Now everything appears to be 
working just fine.


Whew.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Using dproxy to solve no DNS hangs everythingproblem?

2006-07-18 Thread Brian Capouch

C F wrote:

Thanks Brian for your work, I have had the same problem I installed
dnsmasq and I *think* the problem is gone now, I'm repeating I think,
I'll only know when the internet goes down again.



Your post inspired me to do one more little test: I removed the default 
route from my Asterisk server, waited until the error messages started 
streaming out of the CLI, and then called my POTS line.


YMMV, but for me it worked like a charm.

If this actually works on an ongoing basis, it will be a great relief to 
me and to many of my customers.


Of course, for now that means no SRV.  For me, that's a small price to 
pay :-)


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] app_conference DTMFs?

2006-07-12 Thread Brian Capouch

Henry J. Cobb wrote:


I tried several different combinations of app_conference and Asterisk
versions and then I had to get back to actually providing phone service
that didn't crash.



I hate to me-too, but my experience was identical.  Crash after crash, 
and I tried everything that was suggested (limiting codecs, primarily).


Something is weird there in that for some it appears to work perfectly, 
for others not at all. . .


FWIW.

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Re: [asterisk-users] Re: for you guys setting up customer offices...

2006-07-07 Thread Brian Capouch

Benny Amorsen wrote:

BC == Brian Capouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



BC Everyone's mileage varies, and IMO it doesn't do any of us any
BC good for negative opinions to be presented to the public as fact.
BC You disclaimed, indeed, but you would have been better off to say
BC something like, Grandstreams have been problematic for me in my
BC application space.

Perhaps that would be more diplomatic, but the truth is that
Grandstreams really are junk. Sound quality is bad both ways,
tolerance of packet loss and jitter is nil, and the user has to be
willing to reboot the phone once in a month.



I hate to prolong the argument, but I respectfully disagree.

I've over a dozen of them in the field, most of which are in 
light/medium use on a daily basis.  Generally the only reboots they 
undergo is when our notoriously flaky rural electric power fails.


I have a business partner who has even more of them than I do, and he is 
equally satisfied with their performance in his industrial shop type 
application.


The talking CallerID function is a majorly good feature, and I keep 
one of them in my office just so I'll know who's calling without having 
to go look at the phone.


I wish you bashers would lighten up a little bit, and not treat those of 
us who are satisfied with phones as if we were too stupid to know what 
we can live with.


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Re: [asterisk-users] for you guys setting up customer offices...

2006-07-06 Thread Brian Capouch

calvis wrote:



Grandstreams are junk. (I have had bad experiences with them)



The former doesn't necessarily derive from the latter :-)

Others of us have found them to be an excellent low-cost solution that 
puts VoIP in places it otherwise would not be economical to deploy.


Everyone's mileage varies, and IMO it doesn't do any of us any good for 
negative opinions to be presented to the public as fact.  You 
disclaimed, indeed, but you would have been better off to say something 
like, Grandstreams have been problematic for me in my application space.


Thx.

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Re: [asterisk-users] OT: Sipura SPA-3000 ATA Directing Calls to Asterisk

2006-07-06 Thread Brian Capouch

Douglas Garstang wrote:

Somewhat off topic...

I have a Sipura SPA-3000 ATA. Calls are coming in from the FXO port. I'm trying 
to get all calls forwarded to Asterisk. However, (and this is hard to believe), 
the docs say that 1-stage calling (I presume that means no PIN is required) is 
not possible with FXO-VOIP calls. I somehow managed to get it to work on 
another SPA-3000 once before ... although I don't know how to replicate it now. 
Has anyone done this? Can you provide any pointers? Thanks.



I make and take calls on the FXO port of my SPA-3000 routinely.

On the PSTN Line tab of the advanced screen, I have this in the first 
Dialplan entry:


(S0:[EMAIL PROTECTED])

Then below, I choose that dialplan (in my case, 1) for the value of 
PSTN Caller Default DP


Also, of course, you have to set the SIP server, username/pw, etc.  I 
have mine register, and because the FXS port is already on 5060 I use 5061.


HTH.

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Re: [asterisk-users] OT: Sipura SPA-3000 ATA Directing Calls to Asterisk

2006-07-06 Thread Brian Capouch

Thomas Kenyon wrote:


For some reason when I do this, It only works if I have callerID
switched off, otherwise I get authentication errors.



Do you know of anyway to bulk-save the contents of all the config 
screens on that unit?


If so, I could scrub the passwords and send you the config for the one 
I'm using.


I just checked; I am getting the CallerID just fine when I bring calls 
into my Asterisk box via the SPA3K.


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Best VoIP provider for Asterisk

2006-07-04 Thread Brian Capouch

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Termilink, at www.termilink.net http://www.termilink.net
 


Just out of curiosity, would you happen to be affiliated with this provider?

If you get my drift. . . .

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Re: Digium Hardware Reliability

2006-06-30 Thread Brian Capouch

M.Hockings wrote:




Mike (totally UNimpressed with Digium)





Point taken.  I was not so much point fingers but asking what my 
expectation should be and maybe shedding some frustration.  I don't 
really have a lot of experience with this kind of communications gear 


All the more reason for you to fully inform yourself *first*, and then 
start posting negative drivel to a public mailing list.


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[Asterisk-Users] Error in config sample for GoToIf?

2006-06-27 Thread Brian Capouch
My teeth are on edge after this one.  A couple of perfectly good hours 
of my life, and I still don't know what's going on. . . .


The extensions.conf.sample that comes with the current SVN trunk has 
this line, in an example that shows how to use ChanIsAvail:


exten = s,n,GoToIf([${AVAILSTATUS} = 1]?autoanswer:fail)

I couldn't get this to work unless I surrounded the first part of the 
test with quotes, too, like this:


exten = s,n,GoToIf([${AVAILSTATUS} = 1]?autoanswer:fail)

Leaving aside the completely separate madness of trying to determine 
just what values mean what for the variable $AVAILSTATUS (which I would 
be glad to receive a pointer to), is it indeed the case that the example 
in the distribution is in error, or is there some other subtle rule that 
is causing the behavior of this line to be correct with the extra quotes 
but incorrect otherwise?


Thanks.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Error in config sample for GoToIf?

2006-06-27 Thread Brian Capouch

Brian Capouch wrote:



exten = s,n,GoToIf([${AVAILSTATUS} = 1]?autoanswer:fail)

I couldn't get this to work unless I surrounded the first part of the 
test with quotes, too, like this:


exten = s,n,GoToIf([${AVAILSTATUS} = 1]?autoanswer:fail)



Ooops.

Actually, I mis-pasted one of my intermediate attempts there that didn't 
work.  So sorry.  My excuse is that I've gone daft.  This is the line 
that actually seemed to branch correctly (although not with a 1 in the 
test, but that's part of another question :-))


exten = s,n,GoToIf($[${AVAILSTATUS} = 1]?autoanswer:fail)

Note the extra $ ahead of the leftmost brace. . .

There are many permutations of braces, dollar signs, and quote marks in 
the various examples on the Wiki, btw, many of which note that other 
examples are incorrect. . .


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Re: SV: [Asterisk-Users] Error in config sample for GoToIf?

2006-06-27 Thread Brian Capouch

Jon Schøpzinsky wrote:

Hello

As far as ive understood, you can just write

Exten = s,n,GotoIf([${AVAILSTATUS} = 1]?autoanswer:fail)

${AVAILSTATUS} would return 1, and ${AVAILSTATUS} would return 1



Through more testing, the double quotes I used seemed superfluous; if 
you use them in both places, or in neither, it works the same.


But your example above lacks the $ ahead of the left brace.  It is 
*that* which I now believe is in error in the example.


Plus there seems to be confusion, on the Wiki at least, as to what 
values mean what for ${AVAILSTATUS}


Thx.

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[Asterisk-Users] Oh oh. Micro$oft just noticed VoIP

2006-06-26 Thread Brian Capouch
It will be interesting to see how many standards get broken, and how 
many proprietary hooks get thrown into the pot.  The bean counters smell 
some money, and their OS franchise is waning:


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/26/technology/26soft.html

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] AsteriskPT- Sucessfull routing Skype Calls to my * box. Incoming and Outgoing calls!!!

2006-06-26 Thread Brian Capouch

Tzafrir Cohen wrote:

On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 09:39:11AM -0300, Josué Conti wrote:


Marco, bom dia.
Essa interligação entre o Skype e Asterisk, é feito atavés de um módulo
externo?
É freeware?
Podemos seguir com o projeto Asterisk-PT?



English, please, folks.



Let them talk.  What's it hurt the rest of us?

We have seen the wages of tortured English sometimes unleashed on the 
list.  If they're getting the job done, I say hit the Delete button 
and get on with your life.


If 80% of the list traffic were in foreign languages, then I would say 
we would have an issue.


MO.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] AsteriskPT- Sucessfull routing Skype Calls to my * box. Incoming and Outgoing calls!!!

2006-06-26 Thread Brian Capouch

Francesco Peeters (Asterisk) wrote:




Ja dat kun je wel zeggen ja... Maar goed dat Nederlanders vrij aardig
Engels praten!
 ;-)



Pues my punto fue que un poquito de correo en otro idioma no hace daño, 
y si ayuda mucho y molesta poco, ¿por qué quejarse?


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Upgrading old version of Asteriak - changes

2006-06-24 Thread Brian Capouch

Martin Joseph wrote:




Huh,  I never looked at that file before (phone.conf).

Actually they seem to refer to a Linux telephony interface?

Anyone please care to elaborate on what the phone.conf file is really 
for?  The wiki just has a copy of the default file...




It's the conf file for the phone driver, which also I seem to recall 
is ixj or something.


It interfaces to the Phone Jack and Line Jack telephony cards.

Google for them.  They've been around forever, IMO they're not very useful.

HTH.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Don't use CDRTool From AG-projescts

2006-06-22 Thread Brian Capouch

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

hello to all,

I advice you to not use 


Harry!!

Only one post is needed for each of your silly complaints.

Please don't give people even more reason to relegate you to their 
killfiles.


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Re: [Asterisk-Users] syntax error

2006-06-21 Thread Brian Capouch

Rob Thomas wrote:

And once again I am reminded why I shouldn't bother helping people here.

Not even a 'thanks'.




Dang, dude.

If everyone who got helped on this list responded to the list with a 
thank-you, list traffic would go up by at least 10% :-)


And it's a PIA to manually circumvent the list software's hijacking of 
the reply address; one has to cut-and-paste.  That makes private 
thank-yous kind of a pain, too.


Overall your helpfulness is certainly appreciated.  It sucks some of the 
value out of it when you whine about being explicitly thanked for it, IMO.


MO, and nothing more.

Thx.

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Re: [Asterisk-Users] Anyone using VoIP WiFi phones?

2006-06-20 Thread Brian Capouch

Warren wrote:

As this is to be used by company execs when travelling that is not a
viable option.  The Netgear WIP300-NA looks interesting.  Amyone used
that one yet?


Sorry this is on-topic for the thread but not what you've written up there.

I have some Starcom F1000s (802.11b model).  They are not stellar, but 
they're serviceable if they can be placed in a good-signal environment.


The mikes aren't that hot; people at the other end complain of muffled 
sound.  But they're certainly intelligible, and so far they're the best 
of the lot that I've tried, which admittedly is a pretty small subset.


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