Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? Moderation:I'm locking this thread. It has served its purpose. Christian is clearly trying to restart this fire, so I'm going to put it out.As one final quick point, I actually think EQ is more important than IQ in this instance. Emotional vs. intellect. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/496155/#p496155 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? No, i mean on skype and stuff. You know who you are URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/496146/#p496146 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? Hmm, I've not seen someone on here call you a failed abortion.But well ... Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/496130/#p496130 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? Ran a search through 195 posts on this topic, and the only one I found with the word abortion was yours, champ. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/496127/#p496127 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? ok, some of you guys have just crossed the line with the insults your throwing at me. calling me a failed abortion? really? adding my email address to mailbate, or whatever it's called? that crap needs to just stop. right now. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/496124/#p496124 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? By introduced it, I assume you mean why you suggested it? I mean, to my knowledge, and this is obviously limited given I haven't researched it too closely, the first IQ test was publically introduced by an Englishman named Francis Galton.See? Even here we run into conflicts. You used the word introduced instead of the word suggest. Does that make you an idiot? Nope. Does that give us an estimate on your intelligence at all? Not even close. I believe, and I could be wrong on this, that you said you are originally Chinese? How you speak in your native tongue and conduct yourself not just here but also outside the forum is beyond us. Christian, I hate to say it, is a lot the same in some senses. Do you honestly believe he behaves the same way at school, for instance? Somehow, I highly doubt it as I seriously don't believe authority figures there would let him get away with it.And if his parents believe he is a, to use his words, little angel who can do no wrong, do you believe he's constantly doing things to antagonize them? I may love my children, but when they're wrong, they're wrong, and they need to know it. Unless Christian's parents just flat out don't care, I'm more or less certain they would follow a somewhat similar conduct, at the very least, outwardly for the sake of appearance if nothing else. I bet they don't even know he's on here spewing forth his nonsense. As to the why? Well, that one's beyond me, but given that he was born in 2007 or there abouts, a year that saw the rise of smartphone usage and ushered in the decade of tablets and the like... Well, lets just say that parents haven't exactly been responsible with their kids and technology these past 10 years.So Christian may be a brilliant student, perhaps a stellar pupil overall with straight A's. When he gets on the net though? The mask goes on, the trick is just dancing around the consequences as carefully as one can which is seriously not all that hard to do, and all that intelligence goes right out the window. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/496032/#p496032 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? @Ethin, I of course do know that. The thing is that IQ is a reliable measuring unit for many people this is why I introduced it URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495971/#p495971 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? @191, very true. Really, IQ is just an attempt to quantify something that is not measurable by any known method. IQ also depends on so many volatile variables that its just not worht the paper its written on or the computer its programmed on any more. The only way to truly measure intelligence is to doit the old fashioned way. But I don't think Mathematics can solve a problem as complex is that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495866/#p495866 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? Yeah, the other side of the coin is people with super high IQ's who are serial killers and the like. Ted Kaczynski, anyone? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495851/#p495851 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? @189, no offense, but an IQ is not a good assessment of ones intelligence. I took an IQ test a year or so ago and it said I had an IQ of 98. Anyone wo knows me knows that my IQ is higher than that. So I wouldn't rely too much on an IQ; hell, I'd discourage the IQ tests usage at all. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495800/#p495800 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? I just thing that people with IQ below 80, which he definitelly has should not be permitted to use anything beyond bathroom, pen, pencil and the fridge. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495729/#p495729 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? hey turtle power, didn't you just recently get on my case for suggesting that someone might be bipolar?I'm not upset or anything, I just think it's kind of amusing… LOLAnyway, I agree that this topic needs to die and should have days ago. Apologies for helping bring it back up to the top for a few hours longer. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495722/#p495722 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? Guys, it doesn't matter what his life is like. He's tearing your community to shreds. That you're even *having* this discussion is just feeding him--hell, that I'm even saying *this* is, which is why I'm ending it here. If he'll really change his ways, then he can come back when he does. Otherwise he'll tie you all up debating whether or not he broke your rules, all the while using your community as a launching and nurturing point to poison others. Seriously, cut that food supply off. This is feeding behavior, whether he intends for it to be or not. I mean, what is the very topic of this post but a question begging for validation and ego-strokes?Put another way, it doesn't matter how well-mannered the drunk driver is if he kills you, or someone close to you. Maybe you can forgive, and even understand. But you don't trust your life, or well-being, to that person again. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495608/#p495608 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? I'd have pushed for his ban more than once already and probably irritated the panel by now, had I still been in it. At the same time? I can't help but feel sorry for him. i'm not sure who it was that said it but we have no idea what his life is like. Everything about his posts scream spoiled brat with parents who buy him just about everything and think he is up to all sorts of wonderful things with said things or, just flat out don't care as long as they can keep him out of their hair and perhaps their lives.Sadly I've seen that side of things. I had a friend when I was growing up. Blind, brilliant as blazes, full of talent, well off parents who had a favorite daughter and pushed him aside by getting him more or less everything he wanted, from shortwave radios to mixing consoles to keyboards and new stereo systems. If that's the kind of life Christian is living, I promise you I do not envy him in the slightest, and neither should you. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495601/#p495601 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? @184:rules wrote:9. In the event that other available methods fail to stop a user's problematic behaviour, the administration may decide to invoke punitive action outside of the natural discipline protocol. This action is referred to as a community failure clause, where unacceptable behavior or users are punished or even removed for the good of the community at large. The administrators and moderators will verify their punishment based on demonstrable evidence of wrongdoing. A staff majority, including at least one (1) administrator,must be reached before this clause can be used to punish someone. Staff may attempt to give the user in question one final chance to improve their behavior, but if problems persist, the agreed-upon punishment will be enforced immediately and without further deliberation. Staff are not required to give a player a last chance of this nature, but can do so at their own discretion.I heard from one of the threds where this issue came up that discussions were taking place on the staff list, and the problem was that he may not have atually broken proper forum rule with most of the activity occurring off forum, though if the trollbate and possible ruse could pass as a lead-up to some sort of punitive action, it's likely still being deliberated upon. Some mods were saying they wanted a ban right off, but no matter who the member in question is the thing has to be done as neutrally as possible, which is already a line hard to follow but is further compounded by some people who are questioning/criticizing damn near every mod action. Personally I don't see why they would this time, it looks like most of the community unanimously wants this guy out. Better still we should all be patient so as not to fuel the fire that has been near extinguishing so many times, up until Crhistian cam back and possibly bamboozled us all and not in a good way. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495599/#p495599 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? Yeah, folks, stop feeding this already. Why hasn't this topic been locked? @183 Interestingly enough, that comment hit my sociopath sensors as well. I really hope I'm wrong, and acknowledge it's kind of a shitty thing for me to say. But I don't even know what's true anymore as far as this person is concerned. The only thing I *do* know is true is that, as a mostly outsider, this place is shittier because of threads like this. And, recently, one person has been at the heart of at least two of them. *That's* why you should remove that person. Not because he wrecked or claimed to wreck a livestream. Because the seeds he's planting are deliberately splitting your community apart. I've seen this community failure clause talked about recently, but I don't know what it means. But if it can't take into account what seems to be a pretty objectively bad failure in your community recently, then I have no clue what such a clause could possibly be expected to protect against.Ugh, here's hoping this place gets far less toxic. I mean, it's got a lot going for it, but speaking as someone who doesn't participate here much, there's definitely a difference in tone here. And I hang out in places that don't really pull their own punches, but they manage to remain mostly civil even if they're controversial. This place manages to be both controvercial and uncivil, and I hate that I'm writing that.Shit, I'm posting while stoned. Maybe *I'm* the immature one here... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495592/#p495592 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? He also said in the now-closed topic that his parents thought their "little angel" was incapable of doing such things, thus, he's beyond reproach. I hate to say it, but if that's honestly true, then he's probably a budding sociopath, if he is able to act this way, feel no remorse about it, and blithely charm/convince those around him that he's doing no harm. I'd love to be wrong about that, and, in fact, I most likely am, but that comment really struck me as coming from someone who, at the very least, needs more of a real life support system. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495584/#p495584 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? Indeed they do. In the end, weather or not he fucked with the stream is irellivent, what really matters is the fact that he posted what he did and there by fucked up his reputation and started a hole bunch of fires that didn't need starting. Never mind his using age as an excuse. He even said he was tempted to start logging on to the CP game as fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck or whatever before Liam ended the stream, not cool regardless of how you look at it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495560/#p495560 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? In a way, they both seem true URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495538/#p495538 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? christian wrote:heres post 80 of my CP safe topicok, so about that ruining stream thing, I'll just get this out of the way right now. I didn't actually do it. hell I wasn't even around for about 57.222343222 percent of the stream anyways. so anyways, when I got back from doing what I was doing, I tuned in just to here them talking about the racial names, when liam wanted to try to do another minny game party, I was about to do just set my name as fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck and just play online with them. but before I could do it, he had already shut down the server. I was actually talking to a friend on skype about this stuff, when I just had the bright idea to just say I did it on here, and my reasoning? well, it's pretty simple, noone cares about what I have to say, and my reputation is already fucked up so why not? and that's how the topic was created, so long story short, it was just another attention grabber.Theres a difference between, "fucked up reputation", and "fucked up actions." And honestly, I'd say the second one rlly fits the context. Just thought I'd point that out. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495435/#p495435 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? Even /if/ you didn't do it...You are screwed, really URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495431/#p495431 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? So, two possible approaches here:1. You actually did do it, got backlash, and suddenly came out and said you ddin't do it to try and save face. That would never have worked, but it looks like you knew that anyway given the end of your post. Or2. You actually didn't do it, and sent us all in disarray thinking you did. Not good either way. You'd be correct, your reputation is already down, no doubt down even more after this, whichever approach you took. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495422/#p495422 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? So, @172You (apparently) do something, get backlash, then change your tune?Sounds like,and ye gods this has finally spread to here, clout chasing. God help us all URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495415/#p495415 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? oh, and also, saw a few strange emails in my inbox today, they were both about a confermation of my email address to some weird ass mailing lists. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495413/#p495413 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? But. Uh, Jaid. I can't work out the collor of the rest of your clothing either so. uh no actually. never mind.Nocturnus. I hope your wife gets better soon. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495400/#p495400 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? Poor not materially but mentally and in soul. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495397/#p495397 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? Lol, congrats! You're the biggest celebrity of the blind community, honestly I want you to come here and do as a living ad of the typical blind person here. Poor, without perspectives, frustrated at everyone, mean and petty. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495395/#p495395 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? heres post 80 of my CP safe topicok, so about that ruining stream thing, I'll just get this out of the way right now. I didn't actually do it. hell I wasn't even around for about 57.222343222 percent of the stream anyways. so anyways, when I got back from doing what I was doing, I tuned in just to here them talking about the racial names, when liam wanted to try to do another minny game party, I was about to do just set my name as fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck and just play online with them. but before I could do it, he had already shut down the server. I was actually talking to a friend on skype about this stuff, when I just had the bright idea to just say I did it on here, and my reasoning? well, it's pretty simple, noone cares about what I have to say, and my reputation is already fucked up so why not? and that's how the topic was created, so long story short, it was just another attention grabber. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495393/#p495393 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? Long story short, his latest round of trolling was in an army of fake namers who went and flooded Liam's Crazy Party stream with names that sounded like slurs when spoken. It was absolutely uncalled, and it pretty much ruined the stream, Liam had to stop the game because people weren't being decent humans. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495342/#p495342 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Can someone please explain what happened? I'm sure it was bad, but I'm curious what this christian character actually did.And @Nocturnus that is terrible, I hope she gets better soon. I was sick like that once, it's very unpleasant. I hope you can at least find a way to control the fever, that should solve half of the problem. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495338/#p495338 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Sickness is awful. I had a brief but violent stomach-flu sort of deal last week, and it's no fun. Protracted fever is much worse, and it's hard on kids to see parents ill, so good on you for doing the hard thing and just trying to reassure them. I hope your wife recovers soon though. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495318/#p495318 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? At long last we see Jayde actually has a sense of humor! I shall walk away feeling accomplished knowing my satire has finally achieved a small form of amusing retaliation/give and take. I can sleep just a little better tonight...Actually, @Jayde, in all seriousness, thanks a ton for 166. It really did make for a hysterical read, which is just what I needed at present. My wife is super sick and has been for about a week and a half now. Fever comes and goes, manifests itself in heatwaves that make her face feel like it's on fire, then chills that send her into teeth-chattering shivers. She can barely eat, can barely drink, can barely raise herself up in bed. Not much any hospital can do as it just seems to be a case of the flu, but times around this house have become rather depressing to say the least. The kids keep asking me when she's going to get better and I just have to put on my bravest face and tell them that while I don't know the answer I hope it will be soon. I honestly didn't feel all that hot today and doing it took a lot out of me on top of all the other work that needs doing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495317/#p495317 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? @166, that's insane! Damn, I'm going to stop waring socks immediately! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495311/#p495311 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Is that what you think, Nocturnis? That I'm wearing socks whose colour you can't see?Well, have I got news for you.I'm not wearing socks at all.There's a good reason though.Socks are the way that fabric manufacturing companies spy on your comings and goings. They use analyticsto determine the wear and tear of your socks as a means of the ostensible goal of making the most comfortable, long-lasting socks for the lowest price. In truth, I tend to think they're doing for socks what Apple does for iPhones...planned obsolescence, among other things. Scarier still, though, is that they use tiny microchips embedded in your socks to determine things like footspeed, distance walked, frequency of walks, and combined with things like your phone and the little brainstem implants most of us have, can be used to infer a metric ton of data. I know that not wearing socks doesn't really stop them learning about me and my habits, but I persist nevertheless. Even a rogue admin who has apparently programmed the minds of many, after all, is fallible. One day while I sleep, they'll break down my door, storm into my apartment, and then the Jayde you know will be no more. It's only a matter of time before they find out where I am, what I do, and carefully orchestrate a speedy ingress and extraction that will leave the smallest footprint. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495307/#p495307 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Yeah, I have something negative to say about Jayde right here, right now; he's wearing socks who's color I can't see. The fact that I can't see them constitutes discrimination and on these grounds I want him out of here! Nuff said! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495295/#p495295 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? To the person that said Rory put Christian's e-mail in that mail bate thing or whatever it's called, where's your proof?And is it just me, or do other people feel like everyone has something negative to say to Jayde any time he posts? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495289/#p495289 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? Smoothgunner, I may have to report you for cloning. Maybe. We'l see... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495288/#p495288 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? lol the whole clone thing came about, when I started putting moderation under some posts, and said a few topics were going to be closed for the typical bs, like stolen source code, and gamers complaining and whining. well some people knew I was joking and that I wasn't really a mod, others thought I was a mod and couldn't tell the difference, so since I didn't want any confusion, I started making it clear that I wasn't a mod/admin at all, but that I was a clone of one with absolutely no real power lol URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495283/#p495283 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Am I really that immature?
Re: Am I really that immature? @Smoovgunner How did the clone of a mod, idea, thing even come about? I'm sat here laughing at your posts by the way, no hard feelings at all.In regards to power trip: I almost, almost, almooost did that the other day with Christian. I read his post and almost hit that ban button right there, on the spot. I went down, saw Liam had done nothing, and I almost, felt, angry, but I had enough instinct in me, to actually sit back, and think about it. I took it to the rest of the staff. I even said, why isn't he banned? Me and Jayde were on similar sides. As it stands, turns out the situation is definitely quite difficult as if you think about it, there wasn't any, proper, rule infractions.@Tristan I honestly think you're being a nuesence though with the situation you put us in. I think, to slightly change a digital _expression_, you lost the internet that day. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495180/#p495180 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Oh no, the truth is finally out. We are all done for URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495174/#p495174 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? True story, Jayde was cloned in a mod manufactured facility in an attempt to make the perfect mod. Our project went sour however because he rested control of the facility and reprogrammed all of our freaking minds. He forced me to leave, made Aaron give him administratorship, cloned Liam and did who knows what with the original, and made you all believe that Carter was real when he actually doesn't even exist. The fact that I'm here able to tell you all of that is owing to having been saved by a person who's name I shall leave out of this conversation lest they be hunted down by Jayde himself which is our greatest fear. Seriously, the only reason you have not all been banned yet? It's simple! You're all important to his global conquest! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495172/#p495172 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? @157, a clone of a mod... OK then. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495157/#p495157 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? ethin if post 155 help shine some light to some readers that the admins/mods are not that bad and they are appreciated, then sad to say, the post actually was some help, but hey what do I know, i'm simply the clone of a mod with a itchy trigger finger URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495136/#p495136 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? @Deathstar, again, I would be very careful in future on what you say. Like I said I'm quite surprised that you haven't entered the realm of character assassination. You've gotten pretty close to it, IMO. Back off. Seriously. If you have an *actually legitimate* problem, fine. If you have an actual question, fine. But insinuating things about the admins, attacking them for no reason, and so on, is not helping your situation at all. Your not going to chage a thing with the attitude you've got right now. I'm not even sure many even care about what you have to say regarding this matter any more; I certainly stopped taking you seriously long ago when I noticed that you took any opportunity you possibly could to attack the admins and mods and/or otherwise insinuate that they were power hungry, among other things. Like I said, if you can actually check your "supposed issues" at the door and ask reasonable questions and have reasonable conversations, without bringing in insinuations, character-based and position-based attacks, etc., then we all can have a conversation about all of this. But right now I doubt many will tolerate this for much longer, and I can tell you that were you in any other community spouting this kind of nonsense you'd be long, long gone.@smoothgunner, I... really don't think post 155 helped anything. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495126/#p495126 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? in post 145, I don't know if that was snide snarkyness, or just simply the way you speak, but still it can definitely make one raise an eye brow and feel quite challenged if they don't know how to take sarcasm, or just are not use to someone speaking with that type of verbiage, not trying to dictate how you should speak, but may want to choose a better way to get your point across next time, trust me not everyone can handle that way of speaking. I am someone that speaks with a lot of sarcasm and sly at times, but I understand not everyone can handle it, so I know most of the time, when to do it and not to. lastly don't take me pointing that out as a personal attack, it just caught me a bit off guard when I read it. on another note, I see there is just a general discussion about mods/admins, and even the article about how even the admin team at times can screw up, hey like the old boring cliché states, no one is perfect, so yes the team will make mistakes at times, but overall they do a good job in my opinion. they seem fair and not power hungry, because I will be honest with you all, if I was on the team, I probably would be on a power tripyou advertising clones no warning band, attacking admins/mods on and off the forum band, putting down games because they don't fit your liking and making the devs feel like shit band, putting up posts whining about why you got blocked from a game band. I probably would be issuing out so many bands the forum would be empty lol, but seriously lets appreciate the team we have, and chill on the questions about who has what power, why does it matter, as long s they are keeping the forum as civil as possible, why does it matter at the end of the day. long rant over URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495119/#p495119 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? We can monkey around with the forum in bigger ways as well. For instance, we can prune topics that are over a certain age, though we have no intention of doing this at the present time. There are several options involving the forum itself that we just don't play around with.But seriously. That's the extent of it. Aaron is correct. Deathstar, a piece of advice. Rather than assume there is an alterior motive to everything, why not straight-up ask."Why are all of you administrators instead of moderators?" is a perfectly viable question. Leave it there, and there's nothing at all wrong with it. But when you start talking about power, when you start insinuating that there must be more to it, your start showing your ignorance and your bias.As I've said in other posts, I'm starting to have more and more trouble ignoring the things you say, because one of two things appears to be true. Either you really are as ignorant of social customs as you purport to be, or else you're extremely good at walking the line and seem to believe that you'll be able to do so forever. It's growing really tiresome having to defend our actions and even our existence from you, and you'll note, I hope, that you are largely alone in your criticism now. Do staff make mistakes? Sure they do. But you seem to be just about the only one who's approaching it from this angle anymore. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495107/#p495107 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? From what I can see, Dan C is still moderator, although not as active. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495098/#p495098 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? I guess there is a mod, but... he's just there. Or is he even a mod anymore? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495097/#p495097 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Hi,The main reason everyone is an admin is because it allows unrestriction, that's honestly it. It does give us extra power with some of the forum software, but I think quite a lot of that has been left alone.Here's what we can and can't do:*we can change forum settings, but as said, mostly left alone. There's a word filter list that can be added and removed from.*I accidentally discovered that we can email people directly, or rather, the forum software changes. I once clicked the email link thinking it would send a forum email, and my email program opened up. So instead, I tried right clicking, and low and behold, copy email address.*We can not demote each other. It's like we're actually stuck as admins, so I don't know what will happen if this situation were to ever occur, for instance if someone wanted to step down from the staff team. We'll cross that bridge if we need to cross it, as it stands, we seem to be doing OK.*Most importantly, we can not check other's private messages. This is the honest, and complete, truth of the situation. I've got no button on my screen that lets me check anyone's private messages at all, just mine. I'm putting this here because I know that a lot of people seem a bit scared of this, and I honestly think it's fair to say it here and now. I'll say again, we can not, check, your messages, we can't snoop or spy on you.I hope this clears up the situation a little. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495085/#p495085 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? How can you not have a problem with it when you are criticicing the mod team for it. Makes no sense. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495072/#p495072 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? No, there are some huge differences, but nothing that would effect the end user. I think you're coming at this from the completely wrong angle, as usual. Admins simply have that little bit more power to unrestrict users and things, plus the ability to do just about anything with the pun BB side of things. Be glad we have more people who can unrestrict new users. I'm not sure what you have against the mod team or if you just like drama so much you'll look for any opertunity to start it, I'm thinking the latter is most likely given most of your previous posts on this forum. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495070/#p495070 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? As far as i know, the only difference between moderators and admins is that admins are able to unlock new users while moderators can't. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495064/#p495064 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? I have no problem with it. You misunderstood me. But as far as we all know, admins have more rights than moderators, the hell knows what they can check. So it must have some reasons why everyone of them needed that only rank. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495059/#p495059 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? @145 Wow. You must have a wonderful life if you can make a problem out of this. If every mod is an administrator, the moderator status becomes obsolete. What is the big deal with reading the word administrator instead of moderator. There is absolutely not one single disadvantage for you or anybody else. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495053/#p495053 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Yes, all of you have the same amount of power. That's when the moderator rank totally loses its' strength and respect. My question is the following: why do all of you want to be leaders, if you can moderate with even a so called simple rank, moderator? Why do all of you need the higher rank if not only to show what a huge power you have on here? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495049/#p495049 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? I didn't even look at your rangs. Something just rang my bell that Jayde is the boss. If not, then I am sorry for misinformation. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/495040/#p495040 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? @turtlepower I'm glad you approve. It honestly was one of the greater moments of my being out here on the forum, particularly since I do liked to resolve issues if and when they arise and hate to have any unfinished business or hard feelings. NO matter who we are, where we are or where we want to be and where we're going in life, in spite of the fact that this is the internet of things and you can just turn it all off when it's all too overwhelming I still do my absolute best to treat people as people because they're people. To not have offered an apology on my part would have been a jerkwad move regardless if you honestly commited said blunder or not; I know I'd feel the same way if the shoe were on the other foot.For me it was more about how you personally felt about the situation and I felt a need to do my absolute best to resolve it as cleanly as possible. Sadly, I must admit as I'm pretty sure that there was a point in time when my pride would have gotten in the way of my making or even trying to make the right decision because I wouldn't have honestly seen myself as having done anything wrong. I'm glad this was not the case; I just wish others would start walking the extra mile...I knew I had it bad when I was at a party and was asked by one of the wonderful, elderly ladies who was there if I wanted more food. I had already eaten quite a bit as it was. In snarky sarcastic, satirical me joking fashion I perked up and asked, "What, do I look like I'm hungry?" I learned after the party that she had taken the comment rather hurtfully even though I had meant it as a joke. My initial reaction was, but I joke like that with all my friends! She needs to freaking lighten up! The blazes is her problem! In the end, I apologized because the question wasn't one about whether what I said was even right or wrong, but one of having hurt someone else. It's called humility and I wish I knew how to exercise it more effectively, though I do try my best. This story in particular though taught me many nasty things about how humankind works; so often we're more interested in being right than being thoughtful and compassionate.I can honestly say that it would have been super easy to just look the other way where the situation on the forum with you on that topic was concerned, but am sincerely super glad I didn't. It cost me only the time it took to say I'm sorry but was well worth the effort and as we can all with an ounce of common sense see, resulted in a rewarding experience for all parties involved, as we are able to mutually and warmly discuss this matter. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494981/#p494981 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? @turtlepower I'm glad you approve. It honestly was one of the greater moments of my being out here on the forum, particularly since I've always liked to resolve issues if and when they arise and hate to have any unfinished business or hard feelings. NO matter who we are, where we are or where we want to be and where we're going in life, in spite of the fact that this is the internet of things and you can just turn it all off when it's all too overwhelming I still do my absolute best to treat people as people because they're people. To not have offered an apology on my part would have been a jerkwad move regardless if you honestly commited said blunder or not; I know I'd feel the same way if the shoe were on the other foot.For me it was more about how you personally felt about the situation and I felt a need to do my absolute best to resolve it as cleanly as possible. Sadly, I must admit as I'm pretty sure that there was a point in time when my pride would have gotten in the way of my making or even trying to make the right decision because I wouldn't have honestly seen myself as having done anything wrong. I'm glad this was not the case; I just wish others would start walking the extra mile...I knew I had it bad when I was at a party and was asked by one of the wonderful, elderly ladies who was there if I wanted more food. I had already eaten quite a bit as it was. In snarky sarcastic, satirical me joking fashion I perked up and asked, "What, do I look like I'm hungry?" I learned after the party that she had taken the comment rather hurtfully even though I had meant it as a joke. My initial reaction was, but I joke like that with all my friends! She needs to freaking lighten up! The blazes is her problem! In the end, I apologized because the question wasn't one about whether what I said was even right or wrong, but one of having hurt someone else. It's called humility and I wish I knew how to exercise it more effectively, though I do try my best. This story in particular though taught me many nasty things about how humankind works; so often we're more interested in being right than being thoughtful and compassionate.I can honestly say that it would have been super easy to just look the other way where the situation on the forum with you on that topic was concerned, but am sincerely super glad I didn't. It cost me only the time it took to say I'm sorry but was well worth the effort and as we can all with an ounce of common sense see, resulted in a rewarding experience for all parties involved, as we are able to mutually and warmly discuss this matter. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494981/#p494981 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? @turtlepower I'm glad you approve. It honestly was one of the greater moments of my being out here on the forum, particularly since I've always liked to resolve issues if and when they arise and hate to have any unfinished business or hard feelings. NO matter who we are, where we are or where we want to be and where we're going in life, in spite of the fact that this is the internet of things and you can just turn it all off when it's all too overwhelming I still do my absolute best to treat people as people because they're people. To not have offered an apology on my part would have been a jerkwad move regardless if you honestly commited said blunder or not; I know I'd feel the same way if the shoe were on the other foot.For me it was more about how you personally felt about the situation and I felt a need to do my absolute best to resolve it as cleanly as possible. Sadly, I must admit as I'm pretty sure that there was a point in time when my pride would have gotten in the way of my making or even trying to make the right decision because I wouldn't have honestly seen myself as having done anything wrong. I'm glad this was not the case; I just wish others would start walking the extra mile...I knew I had it bad when I was at a party and was asked by one of the wonderful, elderly ladies who was there if I wanted more food. I had already eaten quite a bit as it was. In snarky sarcastic, satirical me joking fashion I perked up and asked, "What, do I look like I'm hungry?" I learned after the party that she had taken the comment rather hurtfully even though I had meant it as a joke. My initial reaction was, but I joke like that with all my friends! She needs to freaking lighten up! The blazes is her problem! In the end, I apologized because the question wasn't one about whether what I said was even right or wrong, but one of having hurt someone else. It's called humility and I wish I knew how to exercise it more effectively, though I do try my best. This story in particular though taught me many nasty things about how humankind works; so often we're more interested in being right than being thoughtful and compassionate. I can honestly say that it would have been super easy to just look the other way but am sincerely super glad I didn't. It cost me only the time it took to say I'm sorry but was well worth the effort and as we can all with an ounce of common sense see, resulted in a rewarding experience for all parties involved, as we are able to mutually discuss this matter. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494981/#p494981 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? All admins hold the same amount of power. Thank you. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494973/#p494973 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Nocturnus, the example you gave of solving a forum conflict was a good one. Since I was the other party involved, I'll just say that it was much more of a blunder on my part than yours. Once it was pointed out that I had, in fact, said my real name on here before, which I had legitimately forgotten about, I apologized, and there were no hard feelings, at least from my side. I could have, in hindsight, messaged the mods privately about it, though I thought that would only stir up more flames given the unrest within the team at the time. Had that situation happened now that things are a bit more stable, I would have done just that.What I would not have done, then or now, is constantly antagonize anyone, no matter their rank, just because I can. In the grand scheme of things, my grievance was pretty minor anyway, so to do so, and to hold a grudge about it, would have been ridiculous. I hope some of the newer members read that topic you linked to and took the way it was handled to heart, at least. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494966/#p494966 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? That doesn't make any logical sense though. Jayde, Cartertem... both of these two have the same privileges. Just because one does more than the other in no way means that that person somehow holds more authority than the others who are more "in the background". URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494963/#p494963 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? I think you're perceived that way because you're generally more upfront about things and you've dropped the hammer more than other people have. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494957/#p494957 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? That...doesn't even make sense, Lord Lundin. Are you saying that I somehow have more rank because I'm older? Does Nuno even know how old each of us is? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494952/#p494952 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? @136 yeah sure factually correct. Doesn't change the fact that my dad holds more power than me ... even though we both bare the same title of adult.This isn't even trying to stur the pot or throw shade at Jayde, I'm just stating the obvious. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494937/#p494937 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? 1. Jayde is not the boss. Look at our profile's and you'll see the same shining rank.2. As was suspected by Nocturnus and Jayde, I had planned to, but discussions on list plus life simply caused me to forget. I have always, up to this point, remembered to write down punishments I hand out in the topic, if not in their own post I edit the first one. You are more than welcome to take the time and prove me wrong if you like, knock yourself out.3. If I were following my own set of rules and wishes, far less fair, many members posting in this topic would no longer be here. Instead we, as a team, try and do our part to make this forum a better place by adhering to protocol you and everyone else mutually agreed upon. Don't like it? Take your concerns up with me privately. I personally see us as pretty reasonable considering all we're required to deal out. It isn't an easy job, nor is it fun. We all signed up because we genuinely care about the community, not because we enjoy it or are drunk with power and the desire to go rogue.This may indeed be a matter of sarcasm distorted by the language barrier, but that doesn't change the way it came across to us. Please be more cognizant in the future. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494921/#p494921 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Sorry to doubl post, but Liam and Death, would you mind passing me that bowl of popcorn please? Thanks. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494903/#p494903 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Christian, let me be honest. This is likely going to sound harsh, but I'd really like to make this clear, like, right now.On STW, you were recently banned from the game due to your disrespect towards a lot of us who play. If you wanted help, we'd try to provide you help, but you'd come back at uwith snide criticism or unnecessary sassiness, which is just totally inappropriate. I gave you, oh I don't even know anymore, over 4 chances to try and help you, but you decided you should go impersonate me on one of your clones, which really crossed the line. Then you come on here and claim you're proud of ruining Liam's stream, as if it was like, "oh, I just won 3 frickin' trophies, yee haw suckas." I don't know what you're trying to do, bj because you're 12 years old does not mean you have the right to do this (excuse my language) shit. You know better, grow up please. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494900/#p494900 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? @126, I asked YOU because YOU are a boss here as far as I know. Maybe I am not the most polite person on earth which can come because of different things, the main one being me not being a native english speaker, and the second one is that I don't necessarily consider my behavior as bad. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494896/#p494896 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? @129 I'll put my own opinion up here in answer to your question, but to say I definitively know how to fix the issue would be rather arrogant.The forum has expanded a ton since its birth. More people? More opinions. More active users spouting out their opinions. More chances at dramafests. More moderation decisions to be handed out, meaning more mods were required to hand them out. YOu say you remember the old days? When I first joined up in 2009 there were mostly only two guys moderating the whole of the forum. Dark felt it was a bit much for just the two of them and thus began searching for other possible candidates that would, if not be able to agree with him on most factors would at the very least express them self intelligently and reasonably enough to merrit discussions concerning moderation decisions. Myself, Arqmeister, Sebbi and others were approached and recruited after careful consideration. Some of us had contributed help on various topics and done so eloquently, while others had put forth other helpful material in the form of audio tutorials and playthroughs and the like. Some of us had done these things and more that I just won't mention for the sake of keeping this as short as possible.Interestingly enough it was as I was coming in the door that previous mod, DB editor and news writer cx2 decided the responsibility had become too much for him and relinquished his place on the panel, which is sad as I think he could have provided a solid front for us all given his already having been established for awhile. Either way, we did our best with what we had at the time and picked up a few faces along the way. Fastforward to 2014. This topic and others that sprung up around the same time, plus a few other things that were going on in my life including hearing loss made me wonder/question if I just wasn't fit to the task of moderating. I told Dark then what I'm putting out here now, which is that overall I felt like the forum was becoming a little more aggressive than I cared to believe it should be and that I honestly didn't want to be suckered into it and do more harm than good in the process. I felt that annonymity was driving users to greater trollish heights.While Dark did his best to tell me that this was the kind of thing he believed just came and went in phases and that he was not concerned because he'd seen it before I took my leave all the same. The next two years were rather hard for me but I did them anyway, and, thanks to my wife, I was motivated to join the moderation panel yet again. We both learned a lot thanks to this site and wanted to try and contribute to it as much as we could together.Sadly, around the time I rejoined the moderation panel was involved in a rather controversial mess; you can read my research paper of sorts on it here, Hasty decisions were made and many of us were left with bad tastes in our mouthes. To this day I'm still not sure who lost the most out of that horrid mess but I know that nothing was ever the same after that fiasco. I'm not going to point a finger at anyone in particular on this one because I've had a ton of time to reflect upon this situation and strongly believe we're all collectively to blame as a community, for letting annonymity make us feel untouchable because that's what we see on social networking platforms, for having allowed toxic content to run rampant for as long as it did and not punishing those who started it, for not having communicated more effectively, for not really looking for solutions but instead fueling fires and pointing at one another as the source of the problem. We were more interested in playing a blame game that probably never should have been rather than sitting back and taking a collective breather that would have allowed us all to keep the community as it was or, better yet, to further its progress.So yes... I believe mods and forumites alike are responsible. I don't believe one did any better than the other. My investigative piece probably did a great deal of putting the pieces together for the sake of transparency, but what it did not do and the one thing I regret for sure and kick my tail for almost every single time I visit this forum now, is restore order to chaos, which is seriously what I wanted most. The current moderation panel is trying to do its best, but it has three years of harm to undo... Perhaps more that I'm not even aware of. During my time we dealt with everything from fielding questions on cloning operations, why games didn't end up on the database, why steam didn't seem like a matter worth considering on the site, and many other things beside. Today the mods are harshly tasked by individuals because rules don't seem stable and or have to quickly evolve to keep up with the new-comers and oldtimers alike.At the core of my beeing though I still believe in this community and its longest standing members. I believe many of us still
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Re: Am I really that immature? Why is there such a fuss about the warnings topic/updating it? You know you can use the search feature and just type "moderation" and then see all the warnings, cautions and bans ever handed down on this forum? To me that topic just seems like extra effort and if a mod doesn't update it instantly the pitchforks come out. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494879/#p494879 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Honestly I think deathstar should have been banned a long time ago. She does nothing but ster the pot to see what happens. I think this is where the community failure claws will come in handy. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494878/#p494878 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? What went wrong in this forum. Why is it so shit these days.Why there's so much bullying and abuse going on? and why do parents give unrestricted internet access to their 10 year old kids?The forums used to be much more better. Older users were more patient with younger ones, Users did not insult admins or made passive aggressive comments towards them for whatever reason, and mods were helpers instead of enforcers, throwing the word "punish" every time something went south. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494873/#p494873 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? seeing the last topic you just posted a few days ago i'd agree with evryone here, child ish actions, yeah, i'm glad i'm not one of these people who does that anyway URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494872/#p494872 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Exactly. I would have probably PM'ed Carter myself or gotten in touch with him by some other means were I a mod and asked to do him the favor unless he was going to do it himself. What's more? I'm sure if the question had been asked as Jayde pointed out in a nice fashion rather than with the sarcastic tone it conveyed, he, meaning Jayde, might have taken the initiative to ask Carter himself! Not to bring up bad apples but there was an incident not too long ago where I disclosed someone's real name thinking it wasn't an issue given it had been posted elsewhere on the forum and within emails and such. Said person and another forum member came forth in that topic and politely asked that the issue be looked into. Jayde contacted me privately about the situation and while the incident was an oversight on my part and there was nothing to be served by my editing my post the issue was resolved as smoothly and effectively as possible given the circumstances. That's called proper communication; it does not require snarky nonsense. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494871/#p494871 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? @125, gotta say that your lucky your antagonistic posts towards the mods haven't been taken as character assassination. I think some of them approached that line, multiple times, if not crossed it. Back off and leave the mods alone. If you want something to be done, let them do it. Needlessly houdning them for no reason other than spite is going to cause them to *get nothing done*. I shouldn't even have to write this, but alas... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494870/#p494870 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? @125, gotta say that your lucky your antagonistic posts haven't been taken as character assassination. I think some of them approached that line, multiple times, if not crossed it. Bck off and leave the mods alone. If you want something to be done, let them do it. Needlessly houdning them for no reason other than spite is going to cause them to *get nothing done*. I shouldn't even have to write this, but alas... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494870/#p494870 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Please help me understand something.We normally note our own warnings and whatnot. This is not ironclad, but it happens far more than it doesn't. It's not a rule and it's not part of protocol, but generally it's what we do.With that having been said, why am I being asked about the warnings Carter administered? Why is this question not being posed to Carter?The point that Nocturnis is trying to make is not that we can't be called out if we slip. We can and should endeavour to be professional and thorough in our dealings with members where punishments and the like are concerned. But consider this.Nuno wrote:@Jayde, why the warning Xoren got has not been written to the official log? Is Karter following a different, better set of rules than any other mod?You know this isn't the case. You know that Carter just hasn't written down his warning yet. Why cite a "different, better set of rules"? That just makes you look snide. Whereas...Polite person wrote:Just an FYI, but the punishment thread hasn't been updated with the two warnings from yesterday. Not sure if you forgot or if there's some other reason.See the difference? The former is just needlessly antagonistic (and Deathstar, once again, you're not helping), while the latter is simply informative.I will never, ever object if you simply point out someplace where I or someone else has made a mistake or has yet to follow through on something. As Nocturnis also said, we're human. Sometimes we miss things. However, dealing with insinuations and needlessly antagonistic commentary isn't cool. Also, speaking personally here, being singled out for something, being asked a question that is frankly not my business directly, isn't cool either. If you want to know why Carter didn't update that punishment thread, try asking Carter. Me, I think he just forgot, and I don't want to step on his toes by writing it in for him.One last thing, real quick. Deathstar, you cite this as a common mistake. Hate to burst your bubble, but it's not. Most warnings, bans and other punishments are reported in that punishment thread. A few have not been reported immediately, but I would say that, on average, eight or nine in ten punishments were reported in timely fashion. Please do not characterize the occasional issue as a common mistake. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494867/#p494867 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Please help me understand something.We normally note our own warnings and whatnot. This is not ironclad, but it happens far more than it doesn't. It's not a rule and it's not part of protocol, but generally it's what we do.With that having been said, why am I being asked about the warnings Carter administered? Why is this question not being posed to Carter?The point that Nocturnis is trying to make is not that we can't be called out if we slip. We can and should endeavour to be professional and thorough in our dealings with members where punishments and the like are concerned. But consider this.Nuno wrote:@Jayde, why the warning Xoren got has not been written to the official log? Is Karter following a different, better set of rules than any other mod?You know this isn't the case. You know that Carter just hasn't written down his warning yet. Why cite a "different, better set of rules"? That just makes you look snide. Whereas...Polite person wrote:Just an FYI, but the punishment thread hasn't been updated with the two warnings from yesterday. Not sure if you forgot or if there's some other reason.See the difference? The former is just needlessly antagonistic (and Deathstar, once again, you're not helping), while the latter is simply informative.I will never, ever object if you simply point out someplace where I or someone else has made a mistake or has yet to follow through on something. As Nocturnis also said, we're human. Sometimes we miss things. However, dealing with insinuations and needlessly antagonistic commentary isn't cool. Also, speaking personally here, being singled out for something, being asked a question that is frankly not my business directly, isn't cool either. If you want to know why Carter didn't update that punishment thread, try asking Carter. Me, I think he just forgot, and I don't want to step on his toes by writing it in for him. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494867/#p494867 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Agreed Nuno.Nocturnus, we wouldn't mention this again and again if it wasn't a constant issue and was a one-time mistake. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494859/#p494859 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? @Nuno was 123 really necessary? It showcases just how snide and petty some of you can seriously be. I mean is it just possible that, *gasp* cartertemm just forgot?For the love of all won't you all just accept that mods are human too? Sure you can try to hold them to a higher standard because they enforce rules, because they have to pass down judgment and whatnot. At the end of the day though? I'm pretty sure they have hair on their heads unless they deliberately went and shaved them, eyes on the front of their faces unless they had to have them removed for some reason or another, noses they smell with, ears they hear with, mouthes they hopefully use for eating and other better purposes than some of the flaming I see going on here, and on and on we could progress through the human anatomy if we must. The point is? If I didn't believe that to be true, then I just might be throwing a bit more of a fit myself. As it stands, last I checked, they weren't superheros, they had lives to live outside of this forum that sometimes spawns some of the craziest dramafests, and relationships to cultivate that don't involve holding the hands of a bunch of people who are going to sit around playing "lets see what the mods do wrong today." URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494853/#p494853 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? @Jayde, why the warning Xoren got has not been written to the official log? Is Karter following a different, better set of rules than any other mod? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494848/#p494848 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? The other truth is that you folks are expecting an instantaneous decision. Shit happened less than forty-eight hours ago. I've said before and will say again: sometimes in cases without clear precedent, it takes a little bit of time to get things done properly. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494844/#p494844 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Without being a part of the panel but with personal experience in such matters it is my belief the mods will eventually aim for that angle. The problem, I believe at present, is one of attempting to do it as unbiasedly and as neutrally as possible. The truth is that sometimes ya just gotta let them hang themselves. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494841/#p494841 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? I agree. So far this kid hasn't shown any signs of changing his ways, and whenever he's on here it's usually to cause trouble. I mean, clearly he doesn't like to work for things. He not only ruins pretty much any social gathering he's a part of, but he also says he's proud of it. Oh yeah, and let's not forget his support for games with stolen source code, as evidenced by not only the topic I linked above, but his signature as well. I just linked to 3 different topics where he's being a nuisance, and that's only the topics he's made. That's not even counting his posts, and the topics I may have missed. Wouldn't this be grounds for the community failure clause? Why do we still let him browse this forum, despite the trouble he's caused? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494788/#p494788 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? for some reason I don't think this is a little kid behind this Christian account, no highly doubtful.another thing, mods you see this kid, or grown adult topics/actions on and outside the forum is causing a bit of chaos, so why haven't you all just band him to nip all of this in the bud? I feel like you all are waiting for an explosion to issue the band, but why even wait for the inevitable to happen? put out the fire before it spreadshe is lucky I am only the clone of a mod, otherwise I would have slapped him with a band so fast on that other topic, faster than a smoovgunner could reload his shotgun URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494785/#p494785 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? yes you are URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494772/#p494772 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? If this had been a ban or a watch, then it would have been discussed before anything was handed down, but as this had been floating around all day and being talked about, that's what was decided.Given that stuff was coming up in a couple of threads, it could've gone either way.The long and short is: please don't threaten to do illegal things to people on the forum. If what you're threatening is just plain jerkish and not illegal, and the action itself is going to be off the forum, there's only so much we can and will do, but we wanted to take a fairly firm stance on this after the Christian gloating debacle. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494771/#p494771 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? I would have responded in the other topic, but it had been closed and I don't favor handing out punishment without the opportunity to discuss it in further detail if necessary, especially in this case where I could see the potential for a bit of controversy.Also, for the record, the rules permit warnings from staff members without prior approval. It is this way to speed up the process, just in case you didn't know. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494761/#p494761 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? yes. This was discussed between several staff members. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494752/#p494752 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Just asking, but did you get approval from the other mods to give him that warning? Also, why couldn't you just respond in that other topic, you know, the topic where Xoren was actually contemplating submitting his email to mailbait? Also keep in mind, he expressed no confirmation that he was actually going to do anything like that. Rory actually did it, and publicly admitted to doing it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494751/#p494751 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? While the rule was created specificly to address cracks and illegal content, it can also be read and understood as:The encouragement of illegal activities...Spam of this sort is illegal in many different places, in addition to violating mailbait's terms of service. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494740/#p494740 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? What should I even say to this? Should I waste my time? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494723/#p494723 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? LOL. Far be it from me to question your moderation skills, but you're warning me about a message I made in a completely different topic and siting a rule which doesn't pertain to the website or subject. Mailbait is a perfectly valid service for testing the viability of email filters, and the site clearly states that your IP and info will be included in all generated materials. Nor is mailbait involved in the distribution of any illegal material -- it only distributes emails which, if I recall, are still legal. No torrents or downloads are advertised on the site. The rule you're quoting prohibits the sharing and distribution of illegal content, torrents, downloads, etc, none of which I've participated in. I'll accept the warning, but I'd like to see a more accurate rule to the situation.Kai URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494718/#p494718 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Nevermind you are breaking the tool's terms of use. Who cares about that legal stuff though right? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494716/#p494716 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? moderation:I'm handing out a warning to Xoren and rory-games for suggesting and advocating use of a site meant to harm another member of the forum. If you truly must do this, keep it off forum please. The last thing we need is a bunch of angry users spamming one another.rules wrote:The sharing or encouragement of illegal material or activities (game cracks, copyrighted torrents that are not free to use, etc.) is not allowed.end moderationThere are much better ways of handling a situation that don't include rushing to the nearest script kiddie tool. In fact I believe filling his mailbox with pointless advertisements will have the opposite effect. Revenge is a never-ending cycle in most cases. I blocked my email from being used on there a while back and recommend others do so as well. It may help, but probably won't. Now Christian has another tool in his arsenal, think of it that way if you must. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494713/#p494713 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? moderation:I'm handing out a warning to Xoren and rory-games for suggesting and advocating use of a site meant to harm another member of the forum. If you truly must do this, keep it off forum please. The last thing we need is a bunch of angry users spamming one another.rules wrote:The sharing or encouragement of illegal material or activities (game cracks, copyrighted torrents that are not free to use, etc.) is not allowed.end moderationThere are much better ways of handling a situation that don't include rushing to the nearest script kiddie tool. In fact I believe filling his mailbox with pointless advertisements will have the opposite effect. Revenge is a never-ending cycle in most cases. I blocked my email from being used on there a while back and recommend others do so as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494713/#p494713 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? @Post 106: You made the crap topic after all, you're hardly in a position to complain. However, you also know where the delete topic link is. Use it if you don't want the topic hanging around as a legacy to your lack of maturity.Kai URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494711/#p494711 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? Wonderful, making demands of the moderators! Also, while I would not be the one to revive one of your old topics where you’re being immature or add your email to a spam list, I will say you kind of had it coming to you for acting the way you did. Maybe next time you’ll think before doing stupid shit like this. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494704/#p494704 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Am I really that immature? what the actual fuck! yall just had to revive this crap topic? ok, mods, close this shit right now please. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/494697/#p494697 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
