Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! @Dark and all.At long last, the Steam client finally! has some accessibility in the ui of the games library. After a few laps around the ui of the beta I can confirm that the beta works without the use of ocr. You'll still need your NVDA mouse movement commands, namely nvda+shift+m to route the mouse pointer to the review cursor, and your left and right click ckeyboard commands, but the text is finally readable and navigable with standard web navigation commands. There are a lot of clickable elements, but the nice thing is that you can use your screen reader find command in here to find text just like you would in a standard web page. So, after how many years? the essential function of locating and managing your games works. The installation screen is still not accessible yet but whether or not the game adds a desktop shortcut during install doesn't matter quite as much, as you are now able to do that in an accessible manner after the game is installed. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462520/#p462520 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! The stable client update that came out today has no accessibility changes, but the beta does. Unfortunately, to join the beta, you need to have sighted help, there's no two ways about it. Either that or good luck with ocr. Because the only way to turn on beta access and even get accessible Steam is through the Steam client.I hereby redact my messages about Steam not having an open beta, but it is still quite ridiculous that you cannot easily turn this feature on. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462517/#p462517 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! The stable client update that came out today has no accessibility changes, but the beat does. Unfortunately, to join the beta, you need to have sighted help, there's no two ways about it. Either that or good luck with ocr. Because the only way to turn on beta access and even get accessible Steam is through the Steam client.I hereby redact my messages about Steam not having an open beta, but it is still quite ridiculous that you cannot easily turn this feature on. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462517/#p462517 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
2019-09-17
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : hadi . gsf via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! the beta is out. the library is now accessible, like the friends list. it gets a little bit to get used to it, but it's fine. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462512/#p462512 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! Regarding all this What's the news in regards to the Steam client update that might be coming this week? I am really hoping there'll be some accessibility included, although I am also not getting my expectations *too high*. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462508/#p462508 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! 3 GB is not that bad. I have STeam installed on my laptop with 2 GB and it's running fine. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462374/#p462374 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! Actually Liren mentioned some of the same problems in terms of the interface. I've not tried windows up arrow though so I'll give that a go and see if it improves the ocr, though again as I'm at my parents on my laptop I'll have to wait until tomorrow. Btw I'd rather not try installing steam on this machine since its only got 3 gb of ram, plus my parents have a quite slow net connection as well. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462354/#p462354 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
2019-09-16
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : hadi . gsf via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! There is something going on with dark's steam and i can't figure out what.I have a clean steam UI on OCR and i can do a lot of things with the client, but dark's steam client is being shown super weird on his computer for some reason?Does anyone know why? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462346/#p462346 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! That should be it. Windows+up arrow will usually fullscreen your window to provide the best OCR results. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462341/#p462341 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! @Aaron, sorry, my mistake. the actual command on the shortcut (which I Copied from Pitermach's guide), is C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\Steam.exe" -no-dwrite -login darkthetenor my steam password.I did double check this to make sure it was correct, since it occurred to me that might be the problem, but as far as I can see its what it should be. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462267/#p462267 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! @Aaron, sorry, my mistake the actual command on the shortcut (which I Copied from Pitermach's guide), is C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\Steam.exe" -no-dwrite -login darkthetenor my steam password.I did double check this to make sure it was correct, since it occurred to me that might be the problem, but as far as I can see its what it should be. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462267/#p462267 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! Hi,@Dark I noticed in one of your previous posts, you said that you'd inputted a command called no-twrite, with a t. Just a heads up, I'm wondering if this could be the problem, because the t is supposed to be a d, as in direct write, so it could be a simple typo here. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462261/#p462261 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! I agree with Jack here,, we're increasingly moving away from individual ownership and into centralised, heavily controlled distribution schemes instead, with music, films, and of course with games, and sadly if that means accessibility goes bye bye then that is of little account to the share holders. Still as I said, to refuse to buy things from Steam when that is the only alternative would be carrying protest a bit too far, albeit if Sequence storm had been released on Itch.io a little earlier I certainly would've bought it there rather than steam myself. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462162/#p462162 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! Plus the problem with itch.io is there's no drm. Most reasonable developers would not take well to intrusive drm, but developers obviously don't want their game pirated, and unfortunately while morally there is or should be a lot standing in the way of someone daring to redistribute those games, from a technical standpoint there's nothing stopping that from happening. Problem is there is no dedicated drm solution that someone can just embed into their games, at least nothing good with a perpetual license. And unfortunately the world is slowly moving away from individual distribution of apps on the internet and information in general, so Dark is right in that we are essentially at the mercy of corporate shlobs who have nothing to lose, at least as far as they are concerned, if the program is inaccessible to a few users compared to their marketbase of millions. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462160/#p462160 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
2019-09-15
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : BlindNinja via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! It also doesn't hurt that again, it's basically the PSN/XBL of PC... friends, groups, achievements... it does basically everything you could want while playing. Hence why so many developers, both indie and big use it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462155/#p462155 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! @Dark: Sadly, it's hard to get in touch with them. I've tried nearly everything, including petitions so We'll see what will happen. The Steam is just the best way to distribute games on Steam so I am not surprised most of the devs are doing that in this way. The newly released epic store (alternative to STeam) is just crap of piece! Totally. The client isn't accessible at all and I mean literally anything plus you can't manage stuff through website as you can with Steam so compared other platforms Steam is the best option for games. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462148/#p462148 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! just what I'd expect from a bunch of lazy bastards who do not listen to comments, do not make games themselves and just prophet from the work of others. I am only sorry that so many good indi devs and their players are using this piece of corporate crap, then again that is pretty much how the world works now across almost all walks of life, greedy, uncreative morons at the top setting the rules, and everyone else having to go along with it.Btw, I will gladly change my opinion on Valve when I have a reason to, EG when they actually take accessibility seriously and listen to their players, but right now I still say bring on the bowel diseases . URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462111/#p462111 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! just what I'd expect from a bunch of lazy bastards who do not listen to comments, do not make games themselves and just prophet from the work of others. I am only sorry that so many good indi devs and their players are using this piece of corporate crap, then again that is pretty much how the world works now across mostly walks of life, greedy, uncreative morons at the top setting the rules, and everyone else having to go along with it.Btw, I will gladly change my opinion on Valve when I have a reason to, EG when they actually take accessibility seriously and listen to their players, but right now I still say bring on the bowel diseases . URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462111/#p462111 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! They're a bit hard to get into, but if you accidentally run into the chat or store windows of the steam client itself. You'll have an accessible layout that looks similar to the Steam website. This is, in theory, how everything should be. If Part of the reason Steam broke compatibility with Windows XP was to update its Chrome engine, because right now it's using a totally inaccessible, outdated version of the engine (we're talking before Chrome itself even became accessible, let alone Steam). And now they are practically sauntering through updating the web UI from a near decade-old solution. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462108/#p462108 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! @Lirin I've never seen the shop or chat window, just the list of games as I described since I cannot get beyond that. Of course the website itself is accessible, which is a good thing. @Jack, I have autologin set with the notewrite command for Steam. So long as I run the client with the desktop shortcut then close the window, I can run games from the exe files, or indeed the exe file shortcuts I've made on the start menu no problem.If not for the autologin, I dread to think what the process would be like. Better accessibility on the client would of course be awesome, but given Valve's less than stellar record in this area I'm not holding my breath. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462093/#p462093 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! @Dark: I've tried launching games directly via the executables. You'll need to at least interact with the Steam interface to the point of logging in which you already are at this point, because even with that method the games call on SteamAPI.dll to check legitimacy. The most common reaction is either a bringing up of the Steam login prompt, or a fatal error that the game failed to initialize without Steam running. So, launching games directly with their executables is possible, but only if Steam is running.Hopefully the above mentioned big update for Steam actually does! address the inaccessibility of the library and modernizes it. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462074/#p462074 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! I heard that next tuesday there will be a huge update to the client. hope the client will be more accessible with that update that will be released. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462065/#p462065 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! Well, I am using Steam client for downloading games without using screen review or chatting with friends / activating keys if I am purchasing something from other sources. The shop window in Steam is accessible, as it is changing the layout to the chromium style. BTW Steam is planning to make the whole steam like the shop or chat windows so the whole client will be 100% accessible pretty soon. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462058/#p462058 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! @Lirin, glad someone else is having a similar interface problem. As I said when the list of games shows up I can navigate with screen review and hit enter on the games to play them, but I get no other functions at all from the client window, including player buttons, means to switch to the library or achievements or other windows, or anything else. I wouldn't mind this too much if launching the games this way or downloading them was vaguely consistant, but often that window doesn't show up, or, as happened recently, clicking on the game names activates some other random functions, or doesn't download games when I need it to. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462048/#p462048 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! @dark: Yeah, sequence storm OST is an item in your library so this is how you launched a player by hitting on it enter.Your window looks as it should. Sadly if there games in your library you will see a mess, as there mixed stuff like games here and there when browsing with browse cursor. ALso there are some achievements / other things. How I am working with it? Just using my arrow keys and letter to find the game I want to play (if needed as everything is on my desktop and Steam is making shortcuts automatically) and using the steam window just to install games I've bought or didn't play for some time and wants to get back to something. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462028/#p462028 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! @Jack, one of the problems I have with the client, is I see absolutely nothing in the steam window whether I use screen review or ocr. I always see Darkthetenor (my steam username), at the top, a couple of random numbers, then the names of games, under that are some bits of text as though things are being cut off, though these persist no matter what the window is doing.sometimes I see things that look like achievements such as "novice racer" (when I just tried your instructions I saw something called the mother), however I see no headings for things like achievements, games etc, and as I said clicking on game names this way can be pretty bloody random in terms of what it activates. I've tried left and right mouse clicks, I've tried going into the window through the taskbar, I've tried routing NVdA to mouse, but this always happens. I thought at first I was not activating things at all, then I used my vision and though I can't see what the hell is going on, the window apparently does change when I try to click stuff.I am using NvdA 19.2 and the latest version of Windows ten, and my screen resolution is normal, so god knows what the hell is going on.Btw, I do notice that if I hit alt enter on the steam window, a fullscreen window opens with something like a graphical game menu which makes noises when I click around. This would theoretically be more usable for me since I can see the menu highlighting and click sounds to navigate, however I have no idea what this menu shows, since where as I said on the default window that comes up with the desktop shortcut (presumably the textual version of the client I got by using the note write command), NvdA can at least read the main heading and game names, on the graphical menu screen review does nothing, and OCr just reads steam and what I presume is the version number.I wouldn't mind the issues too much though if I can install the games. Achievements and store I can use the steam website for, and the chat function is something I don't care about anyway. Similarly, if I can find the actual exe files for the games ih steam/steam aps/common, then creating handy shortcuts is no problem, this is how I've been playing sequence storm, though if for some reason I couldn't find the exe files, I might try Blind ninja's suggestion.The issue comes in actually installing the games, as per this topic. I thought I'd got the process working after installing Sequence storm, but given all the merry hell I've had with a blind legend, I'm not sure, and I confess that at the moment unless Steam was the only way of playing a given game, it would be my absolute last choice as a platform, not the leasst because frankly I would rather not support Valve at this point and still hope they get painful bowel diseases, or at least fix their bloody accessibility . URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462022/#p462022 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! @Jack, one of the problems I have with the client, is I see absolutely nothing in the steam window whether I use screen review or ocr. I always see Darkthetenor (my steam username), at the top, a couple of random numbers, then the names of games, under that are some bits of text as though things are being cut off, though these persist no matter what the window is doing.sometimes I see things that look like achievements such as "novice racer" (when I just tried your instructions I saw something called the mother), however I see no headings for things like achievements, games etc, and as I said clicking on game names this way can be pretty bloody random in terms of what it activates. I've tried left and right mouse clicks, I've tried going into the window through the taskbar, I've tried routing NVdA to mouse, but this always happens. I thought at first I was not activating things at all, then I used my vision and though I can't see what the hell is going on, the window apparently does change when I try to click stuff.I am using NvdA 19.2 and the latest version of Windows ten, and my screen resolution is normal, so god knows what the hell is going on.Btw, I do notice that if I hit alt enter on the steam window, a fullscreen window opens with something like a graphical game menu which makes noises when I click around. This would theoretically be more usable for me since I can see the menu highlighting and click sounds to navigate, however I have no idea what this menu shows, since where as I said on the default window that comes up with the desktop shortcut (presumably the textual version of the client I got by using the note write command), NvdA can at least read the main heading and game names, on the graphical menu screen review does nothing, and OCr just reads steam and what I presume is the version number.I wouldn't mind the issues too much though if I can install the games. Achievements and store I can use the steam website for, and the chat function is something I don't care about anyway. Similarly, if I can find the actual exe files for the games ih steam/steam aps/common, then creating handy shortcuts is no problem, this is how I've been playing sequence storm. The issue comes in actually installing the games, as per this topic. I thought I'd got the process working after installing Sequence storm, but given all the merry hell I've had with a blind legend, I'm not sure, and I confess that at the moment unless Steam was the only way of playing a given game, it would be my absolute last choice as a platform, not the leasst because frankly I would rather not support Valve at this point and still hope they get painful bowel diseases, or at least fix their bloody accessibility . URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462022/#p462022 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
2019-09-14
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : BlindNinja via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! You can also manually create a shortcut with this line, just create a shortcut from your desktopsteam://rungameid/gameidWhere gameid can be found by going to the game's store page, and noting the number in the URL. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462021/#p462021 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! 1. Is your NVDA running on the latest stable release, that being 2019.2? And how about your Windows 10 revision? Not sure if that has any effect on Steam, but it's always worth checking.2. If you end up not getting a desktop shortcut during installation, here is a workaround (it's a hack that shouldn't have to be done, but it's the best way I have figured out).1. Initiate NVDA OCR. Arrow to he desired game, and then nvda+shift+m to focus the mouse cursor on it.2. Escape out of ocr review. Then use your right click NVDA command.3. OCR again. This time, you're in the menu of options. The first one being play game, so call this item one. Arrow down and note the item number for create desktop shortcut. And hit escape.4. If, for instance, create desktop shortcut was item 10 in the menu, you would down arrow ten times, because for some reason the cursor isn't immediately placed on the play game item till you down arrow once.5. Hit enter. Then enter again after you get the dialog that your desktop shortcut has been created.6. You're all set. This is by no means ideal, but it is the best we got until Valve updates the rest of the interface to the new, more accessible web wrapper. If you have accidentally made it into the Steam chat windows or embedded Steam store through the client, you would have seen webpage like interfaces that are navigable via the screenreader's web commands. But for some reason Valve still! has not updated the library/launcher yet to use this modern engine. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462019/#p462019 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! To answer the comments, yes I'm using NVdA, however the window is simply not reading correctly. In the end I sat down and used my vision. to check when the window is changing. It seems that while the window changes, NvdA is not recognising even with OCR that changes take place, I always get the same client window with my name at the top, and the list of games then random little text. A blind legend does seem to have downloaded this time and I ran the game which is a very good thing, however the fact that NVdA is not interacting with the window text correctly is very worrying. I still maintain Steam's design is to blame, since as I said previously, inconsistency with function is one of the sure fire indicators of badly designed accessibility, neither from what I have noticed is steam going to be "A peace of cake" any time soon (I twice had to restart my computer because I accidentally played the sequence storm soundtrack in the steam window and could not stop it. While I'm pleased I can actually now play the game I bought and have created a nice friendly start menu shortcut to do so, I am going to be dreading installing my next game or having to interact more with this shitty client, neither would I recommend it to anyone. I also wonder, how many people simply refused to put up with this crap, since were I less bloody minded I likely would not have bothered at all. Any constructive thoughts on why the window is simply not reading the way Pitermach states it does would be welcome. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/462017/#p462017 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! I'll possibly step on darks tail with that, but have you ever considered, in your ruffing, puffing, crying, screaming and stomping on the flore that it is not steam who is screwing up your experience instead this beeing you? I don't say that's the case, but I just wanted to point it out. Noone else had these problems and if they did, they didn't vent their frustrations on this forum threat. Many people offered helping you via NVDA remote or any other remote desktop application of your choosing, have you replied to those?sorry man, I normally respect you as a sain and constructive person, but this is just getting way out of hand. Everyone else pulled it off already multiple times. I recently reinstalled my computer and had to also get steam working again and well, everything worked as it should from the get go.Just to make sure, you are using NVDA, right?Greetings Moritz. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461607/#p461607 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! That'd be great idea to check if the Steam will react the same on the other machine, maybe this laptop for example as your prooblems are really strange and new for me.Steam is usable for sure, you can do everything just using a client and when you'll get how everything works that will be piece of cake to use it everyday without any issues. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461605/#p461605 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! I'm currently at my parents on my laptop, which I don't intend to install steam on, so I'll try the thing again this weekend. Unfortunately, the problems I'm having I'm fairly sure are due to inaccessibility, since generally inconsistency with screen reader output is a sure fire indication that the window is changing, or that the usable text has moved, even when using ocr. As to the wider debate, I was prepared to give steam a chance for the sake of the genuinely good quality and accessibility minded developers who use the system, but at this point, given that Valve has flatly ignored all attempts to discuss accessibility, I'm coming to the conclusion steam can rot in hell and I sincerely hope everyone involve with the project gets a really painful bowel disease!Sorry I know this isn't reasonable, i'll be the first to admit I'm not feeling great at the moment, and as I said I will try the thing again this weekend. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461586/#p461586 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! IInteresting. I never heard about this kind of problems. Interesting fact is Steam bootstrapper is the name of the main steam process. I am installing games from my Steam client directly as it is faster and doable. You can navigate in the main steam window using arrow keys through your games. Of course screen reader will not read anything but you can, for example click enter on something and new window will open, like "Installation of A blind legend" where you need to press enter till the window will close.I tested Steam and installing games on many machines and never got any issues with the client. Everything worked, and is working just great. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461342/#p461342 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! @juan reina: The problem though is it's still indirectly a crack if that's what you were doing. It's one thing to, say, strip drm from your own purchased ebooks and software and the like, but to pass it around is a no go.Ideally, the idea is to avoid this sort of thing even having to happen by having an accessible UI, but that's not happening until the library view gets updated in Steam, meanwhile we have a hit or miss success rate with OCR. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461288/#p461288 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
2019-09-11
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : juan reina via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! to Liam, hey, I just wanted to help, and he already payed for the game, and he's stil having issues when downloading, I'm not being A leegalist, i'm just helping cuz he wanted to play the game. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461274/#p461274 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! With the -no-dwrite switch enabled in your Steam properties, you should be able to use nvda with windows 10 ocr to locate the next or finish buttons. If not, just keep hitting enter until the window disappears.Actually, the situation revolving around Steam accessibility is actually more of a hot mess than we may think. The chat window and the web-wrapper for the store are accessible, the problem is you can get trapped in those windows because those are the components that have been updated to use the new chromium engine. The library has not yet been updated, and what the holdup is I haven't a clue. Given the fact that nearly everyone has a beta program of some kinds (Microsoft has the insider previews which they actually listen t feedback on), Sony, well, they have something, its effectiveness is who knows how much. But given the fact Valve is practically the only! major vender that doesn't collect feedback from an organized beta community, I'd say that's more than half of their problem. There's no one around to tell them hey, this works and this doesn't, and they are probably oblivious to the fact that some parts are more accessible than others, or worse yet, during the time when the client wasn't accessible whatsoever.The problem with selling on itch.io is you're on your own as far as DRM is concerned. It's a great resource for indie devs to sell their games, but many developers don't integrate even simple drm, which naturally means that people have the means necessary to pass the game around even though they damn well shouldn't. If the mainstream world did not revolve around app stores, I'd say we need another Software Passport/Armadilo, but there's just not enough interest, and all the drm software out there is either subscription-based or extremely! expensive. I think Ethin had something going for the inner workings of a drm methodology in another topic. If we could just get that out there, perhaps more developer s could be convinced to sell on itch.io if Steam is not going to become accessible any time soon. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461244/#p461244 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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2019-09-11
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Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! Steam is the PC equivalent of the play station network... enough said. That's why people, both developers and gamers use it. If all of us VI gamers stopped using it, the actual impact would be less than nothing.It is strange though that Dark's having these download issues, both the client and website work swimmingly here, and have on both the computers I've used in recent years. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461239/#p461239 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
2019-09-11
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : BlindNinja via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! Steam is the PC equivalent of the play station network... enough said. That's why people, both developers and gamers use it. If all of us VI gamers stopped using it, the actual impact would be less than nothing. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461239/#p461239 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
2019-09-11
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : targor via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! Yes, Valve takes a cut, and this is no secret. Valve has to live from something too. Oh and accessibilitywise I really can't complain. The website, where you can buy your games and initiate downloads works perfectly, OCR is not needed anymore for the client ... But it's strange Dark has those problems with the download. For me, as I said, it's just seeing those predetermined storage values, scrolling down and clicking finish and the download is on its way. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461235/#p461235 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! I completely agree with Dark in post 10. Has anyone reached out to the developer(s) of Blind Legend to see if the game could be sold on the website? If Valve is unwilling to improve the accessibility of the Steam system, I say we move on. I never liked the idea of Steam because they're big on promoting DRM, central control, etc. Why not pay the devs directly? I bet you Valve takes a cut of all game sales which is especially bad for smaller devs. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461231/#p461231 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! I completely agree with Dark in post 10. Has anyone reached out to the developer(s) of Blind Legend to see if the game could be sold on the website? If Valve is unwilling to improve the accessibility of the Steam system, I say we move on. I never liked the idea of Steam because they're big on promoting DRM, central control, etc. Why not pay the devs directly? I bet you Valve takes a cut of all game sales which is bad especially for smaller devs. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461231/#p461231 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! Completely agreed with Dark in post 10. Has anyone reached out to the developer(s) of Blind Legend to see if the game could be sold on the website? If Valve is unwilling to improve the accessibility of the Steam system, I say we move on. I never liked the idea of Steam because they're big on promoting DRM, central control, etc. Why not pay the devs directly? I bet you Valve takes a cut of all game sales which is bad especially for smaller devs. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461231/#p461231 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
2019-09-11
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : ironcross32 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! Games do not take long to download at all. I downloaded GTA V, which is something like 60GB in just under 3 hours. Smaller games download immediately. It will pump them as fast as your net can pull down. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461184/#p461184 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! I saw no finish or next buttons. I click on "play now" on the steam website,or on the name in the crappy window, and another window opens with the name a blind legend and all the numbers called steam bootstrapper, there are no buttons on that window from what I can gather. Since however I'm going to now be away for a while it'll have to wait, I was just hoping for something nice and short to play last night. I have sincerely tried my best with steam, and I did run sequence storm, but it seems whenever I try to do anything symple the utter shoddiness of this interface and its complete lack of cooperation with screen readers just makes it ten times as hard, particularly because Valve don't give a crap about improving their shitty product, they just sit there and force everyone else to pay them whilst doing fuck all! its a shame so many decent developers are using this piece of crap! I'll try again when I'm back at my desktop this weekend I suppose. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461180/#p461180 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! Hi,@Dark I am not sure what the Steam bootstrapper is, I haven't come across that.the difference between steam and a regular installer is you actually do not need to keep that window open, but you have to go through it until it says finish. Clicking finish will mean that the game will download in the background, and the system tray should show Steam, the download speed and the percentage from that point. If it says Steam and nothing, then it means that the game might be downloaded already. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461157/#p461157 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! @dark, before steam begin to download the game, did you keep pressing enter at the screen that says disc space required and such? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461117/#p461117 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
2019-09-11
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : targor via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! From the bootstrapper window I always have to click the next button first before download begins. Then the window closes and the download works normally. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461107/#p461107 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
2019-09-11
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : targor via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! From the bootstrapper window I always have to click next first before download begins. Then the window closes and the download works normally. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461107/#p461107 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! Okay its officially been going now for another three hours, which means its been running for six hours in total and still no game! honestly it'd be quicker and easier to download on a dile up connection than use this useless shoddily designed piece of total complete and utter shite! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461106/#p461106 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! Hi hanif, in the notification area the button just says "steam" with no numbers next to it unfortunately, I did check. Does this mean this shitty program isn't actually downloading my game at all despite the numbers changing on the window? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461088/#p461088 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! Moderation:I'd like to make something clear. We take a harsh stance towards anyone trying to pirate audio games especially. What people do in private messages is their own business until it is brought to our attention. We as forum staff are not about to start reading your PM's, but when a PM is forwarded to us we take it seriously. Especially when a PM directly offers to give another user a crack for an audio game. juan reina you will be receiving a warning. I would think very carefully about your future conduct on this forum as you know the rules. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461085/#p461085 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! @dark, the numbers that NVDA detects when you want to install the game is the disc space required for the game to be downloaded to your system and steam needs to allocate it. to check the progress of the download, you can do it via the system tray that says steam and then NVDA will say downloading, your connection speed, and the percentage. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461082/#p461082 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse!
2019-09-10
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : juan reina via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Steam is still a pain in the arse! Dark, I sent you A PM. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/461078/#p461078 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
