[Aus-soaring] OLC
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[Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley
Hi Folks, I was ramp checked on Sunday morning flying PA25 BMF at Beverley by a CASA Inspector (paid double time no doubt). He went through an extensive checklist of required items, and requested sighting of the aircraft's Maintenance Release and the POH. Luckily I had my Licence and Medical on me, so all my documentation was OK. The Inspector then observed operations for several hours. I would suggest that you make sure that all you tuggies ensure that you carry your licence and medical on board from now on whilst on towing duty in case of a visit at your airfield. Regards, John Welsh Home: (08) 9496 0664 Mob: 041 794 5981 (Next G) -- John invites you to visit Beverley Soaring Society at www.beverley-soaring.org.au and the Gliding Federation of Australia web site http://www.gfa.org.au/ www.gfa.org.au Newcomers to gliding and soaring are invited to visit http://www.soaring.org.au/web/ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter Stephenson (Internode) Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2012 8:40 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] This is why you have tie downs at the airport. This is why you have tie downs at the airport. Notice the elevator position. Must have used a seat belt to hold the yoke!! I'm sure the landing was interesting. http://wimp.com/parkedaircraft/ http://wimp.com/parkedaircraft/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley
John, thanks for the heads up. We had the CASA Drugs and Alcohol tester turn up on a Wednesday to test us, finding the gate closed they phoned the contact number to find out that we usually only operate on weekends; 2 minutes of pre trip Internet research would have saved them a trip. Stuart FERGUSON Phone - 0419 797508 On 16/01/2012, at 3:10, John Welsh jwe...@arach.net.au wrote: Hi Folks, I was ramp checked on Sunday morning flying PA25 BMF at Beverley by a CASA Inspector (paid double time no doubt). He went through an extensive checklist of required items, and requested sighting of the aircraft’s Maintenance Release and the POH. Luckily I had my Licence and Medical on me, so all my documentation was OK. The Inspector then observed operations for several hours. I would suggest that you make sure that all you tuggies ensure that you carry your licence and medical on board from now on whilst on towing duty in case of a visit at your airfield. Regards, John Welsh Home: (08) 9496 0664 Mob: 041 794 5981 (Next G) -- John invites you to visit Beverley Soaring Society at www.beverley-soaring.org.au and the Gliding Federation of Australia web site www.gfa.org.au Newcomers to gliding and soaring are invited to visit http://www.soaring.org.au/web/ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter Stephenson (Internode) Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2012 8:40 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] This is why you have tie downs at the airport. This is why you have tie downs at the airport. Notice the elevator position. Must have used a seat belt to hold the yoke!! I'm sure the landing was interesting. http://wimp.com/parkedaircraft/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley
CASA Brisbane Field Office have recently audited our tugs’ log books and maintenance releases. Pam Kurstjens 04 2989 8872 Tug Master DDSC From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Stuart Kerri FERGUSON Sent: Monday, 16 January 2012 5:00 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley John, thanks for the heads up. We had the CASA Drugs and Alcohol tester turn up on a Wednesday to test us, finding the gate closed they phoned the contact number to find out that we usually only operate on weekends; 2 minutes of pre trip Internet research would have saved them a trip. Stuart FERGUSON Phone - 0419 797508 On 16/01/2012, at 3:10, John Welsh jwe...@arach.net.au wrote: Hi Folks, I was ramp checked on Sunday morning flying PA25 BMF at Beverley by a CASA Inspector (paid double time no doubt). He went through an extensive checklist of required items, and requested sighting of the aircraft’s Maintenance Release and the POH. Luckily I had my Licence and Medical on me, so all my documentation was OK. The Inspector then observed operations for several hours. I would suggest that you make sure that all you tuggies ensure that you carry your licence and medical on board from now on whilst on towing duty in case of a visit at your airfield. Regards, John Welsh Home: (08) 9496 0664 Mob: 041 794 5981 (Next G) -- John invites you to visit Beverley Soaring Society at www.beverley-soaring.org.au and the Gliding Federation of Australia web site http://www.gfa.org.au/ www.gfa.org.au Newcomers to gliding and soaring are invited to visit http://www.soaring.org.au/web/ From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter Stephenson (Internode) Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2012 8:40 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] This is why you have tie downs at the airport. This is why you have tie downs at the airport. Notice the elevator position. Must have used a seat belt to hold the yoke!! I'm sure the landing was interesting. http://wimp.com/parkedaircraft/ http://wimp.com/parkedaircraft/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Benalla incident
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley
Did the CASA official provide proof of his own identity? I think that you would be within your rights to at least record the name of the officer doing the ramp check and what transpired in case anything went pear shaped. In today's age, how would you know you're not dealing with someone who was bogus. winmail.dat___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley
RAMP. Another US english expression amongst others sneaking into our language. Ugh! Those areas have always looked pretty flat to me. It seems to have started off meaning the boarding stairs or ramp (e.g. ramp ceremony) and then took over the whole tarmac/departure area. Chris ;-) - Original Message - From: Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley Did the CASA official provide proof of his own identity? I think that you would be within your rights to at least record the name of the officer doing the ramp check and what transpired in case anything went pear shaped. In today's age, how would you know you're not dealing with someone who was bogus. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley
We could use the British apron or tarmac both of which are also inappropriate in describing that area. CASA probably uses ramp because that's what the FAA calls it. Technically a ramp check in the USA is probably unconstitutional as for the authorities to stop and check you while going about your business in public they need probable cause. Then again the US government long ago stopped paying attention to that magnificent document. Wilbur and Orville invented the airplane so that's what it should be called IMO. I'll go along with ramp too. Mike At 10:10 AM 16/01/2012, you wrote: RAMP. Another US english expression amongst others sneaking into our language. Ugh! Those areas have always looked pretty flat to me. It seems to have started off meaning the boarding stairs or ramp (e.g. ramp ceremony) and then took over the whole tarmac/departure area. Chris ;-) - Original Message - From: Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley Did the CASA official provide proof of his own identity? I think that you would be within your rights to at least record the name of the officer doing the ramp check and what transpired in case anything went pear shaped. In today's age, how would you know you're not dealing with someone who was bogus. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley
Mike, I would have to disagree with your preference for ramp. Given the general architecture of airport terminals and the many definitions and etymology given in a decent dictionary for the word apron, apron would seem to me to be the most appropriate/available of the words that can be used for the area where airplanes park waiting for passengers to get on and off them. :-) But that's not gunna fly now is it. Boring to most, so going into lockdown (double Ugh!) Chris - Original Message - From: MIKE BORGELT mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley We could use the British apron or tarmac both of which are also inappropriate in describing that area. CASA probably uses ramp because that's what the FAA calls it. Technically a ramp check in the USA is probably unconstitutional as for the authorities to stop and check you while going about your business in public they need probable cause. Then again the US government long ago stopped paying attention to that magnificent document. Wilbur and Orville invented the airplane so that's what it should be called IMO. I'll go along with ramp too. Mike At 10:10 AM 16/01/2012, you wrote: RAMP. Another US english expression amongst others sneaking into our language. Ugh! Those areas have always looked pretty flat to me. It seems to have started off meaning the boarding stairs or ramp (e.g. ramp ceremony) and then took over the whole tarmac/departure area. Chris ;-) - Original Message - From: Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley Did the CASA official provide proof of his own identity? I think that you would be within your rights to at least record the name of the officer doing the ramp check and what transpired in case anything went pear shaped. In today's age, how would you know you're not dealing with someone who was bogus. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley
Whilstat Mindendelivering an experimental glider a couple of years ago to it's new owner, I met an FAA airworthiness man. Shoved the logbook at him and called out ramp check!. He didn't want to do it, but I asked if he could let me know if I was prepared for one. All was good. Everyone had a laugh. But it is probably as unconstitutional to be forced to do this as it is to bbe examined in some scanner before flying on the airlines. Jim From: MIKE BORGELT mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley We could use the British apron or tarmac both of which are also inappropriate in describing that area. CASA probably uses ramp because that's what the FAA calls it. Technically a ramp check in the USA is probably unconstitutional as for the authorities to stop and check you while going about your business in public they need probable cause. Then again the US government long ago stopped paying attention to that magnificent document. Wilbur and Orville invented the airplane so that's what it should be called IMO. I'll go along with ramp too. Mike At 10:10 AM 16/01/2012, you wrote: RAMP. Another US english expression amongst others sneaking into our language. Ugh! Those areas have always looked pretty flat to me. It seems to have started off meaning the boarding stairs or ramp (e.g. ramp ceremony) and then took over the whole tarmac/departure area. Chris ;-) - Original Message - From: Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley Did the CASA official provide proof of his own identity? I think that you would be within your rights to at least record the name of the officer doing the ramp check and what transpired in case anything went pear shaped. In today's age, how would you know you're not dealing with someone who was bogus. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley
Wilbur and Orville invented the airplane so that's what it should be called IMO. I'll go along with ramp too. They did what? I can't think of one thing that they invented. Perhaps they were the first to achieve sustainable, controlled, powered flight. Maybe I can think of things they patented which set the US aeroplane industry back a decade or so, but nothing comes to mind that they actually invented. And their predecessors and contemporaries called them 'Aerodromes'. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley
Actually they did invent one thing. The three axis control system. Unlike their popular success - powered flight, the 3 axis system was invented by them a year earlier. The modern 3 axis has one variation on their patent, it uses ailerons instead of warping the wings. Like all inventions, each stands on the backs of the previous. rantone of the main reasons we have to stand up for patents and copyrights expiring ! Instead of big companies forever changing legislation and stifling innovation/rant Scott On 16/01/2012, at 4:54 PM, DMcD wrote: Wilbur and Orville invented the airplane so that's what it should be called IMO. I'll go along with ramp too. They did what? I can't think of one thing that they invented. Perhaps they were the first to achieve sustainable, controlled, powered flight. Maybe I can think of things they patented which set the US aeroplane industry back a decade or so, but nothing comes to mind that they actually invented. And their predecessors and contemporaries called them 'Aerodromes'. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley
And that is a BIG perhaps they were the first to achieve sustainable flight. They certainly worked hard at becoming know as the fathers of aviation tho. http://www.deepsky.com/~firstflight/Pages/gpage6.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Pearse And Pearse made everything on his plane, including the engine, which the Wrights contracted out. And there was also a frenchman whose name escapes me. Dennis On 16/01/12 4:54 PM, DMcD wrote: Wilbur and Orville invented the airplane so that's what it should be called IMO. I'll go along with ramp too. They did what? I can't think of one thing that they invented. Perhaps they were the first to achieve sustainable, controlled, powered flight. Maybe I can think of things they patented which set the US aeroplane industry back a decade or so, but nothing comes to mind that they actually invented. And their predecessors and contemporaries called them 'Aerodromes'. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley
Actually they did invent one thing. The three axis control system. Unlike their popular success - powered flight, the 3 axis system was invented by them a year earlier. The modern 3 axis has one variation on their patent, it uses ailerons instead of warping the wings. I think you are right there, but oddly they only invented conecting the rudder to the wing warping so that they could fly straight in the variable winds at Kittyhawk. Wing warping produced heaps of adverse yaw so they put on a rudder and connected it to the wing warping mechanism to allow them to fly in a straight line. Wing warping itself, ailerons, rudders etc. were either invented or patented by others so it's questionable to say whether this was prior art or not :-) I love Pearse supporters. The only small point where he appeared to fail in mastering sustained controllable powered flight was the control part. Did he ever not land in a tree or complete his flight in any other way than a crash? As glider pilots, we should avoid the lot and support Lillienthal because all the motorise aeroplanes would eventually run out of gas while, given the right conditions, Lillienthal could have soared for days. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
