Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

[Dave Browning]

It certainly is, thanks Jen

Dave Browning | Senior Network Engineer
P 1300 791 678 D 07 3708 0008
Level 1, 12 Railway Tce, Milton QLD 4064

From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Jen Linkova
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 2:30 PM
To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

I believe the latency should be back to usual values now.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:55 PM Dave Browning  
wrote:
All,

Just to keep the list updated on this issue, Google have confirmed there is a 
wide spread problem and the appropriate Engineer's are on the case

Cheers,

Dave Browning | Senior Network Engineer
P 1300 791 678 D 07 3708 0008
Level 1, 12 Railway Tce, Milton QLD 4064

-Original Message-
From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Dave Browning
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:53 PM
To: mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

Hi Jen,

Looks like your front line aren’t aware of the issues, see response below;
--
Hi,
 
Google does not recommend using ping time to http://google.com [or any other 
Google service, including Google Public DNS, or 8.8.8.8] as a measure of the 
actual performance of Google services for the following reasons:
 
- Google services, including Google Public DNS, are not designed as ICMP 
network testing services
- Many large networks, including Google, rate limit ICMP
- ICMP ping or traceroute traffic can be discarded or delayed en-route to Google
- The termination point of the TCP/UDP session with Google may not represent 
the full network path between a user and the service
- User requests may be served from locations closer to or farther from the user 
than the destination of the initial TCP termination point
- Even a complete lack of response to ICMP traffic may not reflect any sort of 
issue with Google service performance.
 
Please do let us know if you actually getting complaints from your users about 
accessing Google services.
 
FYI, you may also want to read this about icmp and traceroutes to Google 
https://peering.google.com/#/learn-more/faq
 
 
Best Regards,
 
Salman Nasir Khan | Network Operations Center (AS15169) | 
mailto:mailto:n...@google.com | +1-855-4664-638
--

Cheers,

Dave Browning | Senior Network Engineer
P 1300 791 678 D 07 3708 0008
Level 1, 12 Railway Tce, Milton QLD 4064

From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Jen Linkova
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:04 PM
To: mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

Just to let everyone know - the problem is being investigated right now.


On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 10:42 AM Dave Browning 
 wrote:
All,

I am seeing high latency into Google's network from both our network and also 
my home network. Is everyone else seeing this? Examples are 8.8.8.8 and 
35.185.160.2 We direct peer with them. Looks as if my home ISP do too.

Latency seems to jump at the same spot from both networks, between 
108.170.247.75 and 216.239.35.142 (both Google IPs).
Have sent NOC a message, but just be interested to see if others are affected.

Cheers,

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Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

[Jen Linkova]

I believe the latency should be back to usual values now.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:55 PM Dave Browning  wrote:

> All,
>
> Just to keep the list updated on this issue, Google have confirmed there
> is a wide spread problem and the appropriate Engineer's are on the case
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave Browning | Senior Network Engineer
> P 1300 791 678 D 07 3708 0008
> Level 1, 12 Railway Tce, Milton QLD 4064
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Dave Browning
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:53 PM
> To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169
>
> Hi Jen,
>
> Looks like your front line aren’t aware of the issues, see response below;
>
> --
> Hi,
>
> Google does not recommend using ping time to google.com [or any other
> Google service, including Google Public DNS, or 8.8.8.8] as a measure of
> the actual performance of Google services for the following reasons:
>
> - Google services, including Google Public DNS, are not designed as ICMP
> network testing services
> - Many large networks, including Google, rate limit ICMP
> - ICMP ping or traceroute traffic can be discarded or delayed en-route to
> Google
> - The termination point of the TCP/UDP session with Google may not
> represent the full network path between a user and the service
> - User requests may be served from locations closer to or farther from the
> user than the destination of the initial TCP termination point
> - Even a complete lack of response to ICMP traffic may not reflect any
> sort of issue with Google service performance.
>
> Please do let us know if you actually getting complaints from your users
> about accessing Google services.
>
> FYI, you may also want to read this about icmp and traceroutes to Google
> https://peering.google.com/#/learn-more/faq
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Salman Nasir Khan | Network Operations Center (AS15169) | mailto:
> n...@google.com | +1-855-4664-638
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave Browning | Senior Network Engineer
> P 1300 791 678 D 07 3708 0008
> Level 1, 12 Railway Tce, Milton QLD 4064
>
> From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Jen Linkova
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:04 PM
> To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169
>
> Just to let everyone know - the problem is being investigated right now.
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 10:42 AM Dave Browning 
> wrote:
> All,
>
> I am seeing high latency into Google's network from both our network and
> also my home network. Is everyone else seeing this? Examples are 8.8.8.8
> and 35.185.160.2 We direct peer with them. Looks as if my home ISP do too.
>
> Latency seems to jump at the same spot from both networks, between
> 108.170.247.75 and 216.239.35.142 (both Google IPs).
> Have sent NOC a message, but just be interested to see if others are
> affected.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave Browning | Senior Network Engineer
> P 1300 791 678 D 07 3708 0008
> Level 1, 12 Railway Tce, Milton QLD 4064
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Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Giles Pollock]

Very well said!
My personal views on the matter are that while quotas are often implemented
with the best of intentions, the whole thing can actually backfire rather
badly. I've seen this happen in non-tech sectors with similar imbalances
where quotas or top level representation was mandated above the actual
merit of the candidates, and the result was that some very politically
ambitious but unfortunately inexperienced in the industry field candidates
were appointed. This came about in a number of ways, those being where
existing representatives brought in a pawn to push their agenda, or where
the appointed person was so poor at the actual job required of them that it
ended up setting back the cause for equality.
The former, where a pawn was brought in was particularly nasty, as it ended
up alienating other much more suitable candidates (of the same gender)
because the primary selection criteria were not merit based and were more
about how easily the politics could be manipulated.

IT and technology in general is one of those industries where by and large
your physical attributes, race and the nature of your reproductive organs
(and what you do with them) is entirely irrelevant to your ability to do
the job.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:58 PM Karen Hargreave 
wrote:

> So, someone made reference to the lack of females on the board...
>
> Can we take a moment and have a look at something? Apart from myself (who
> identifies as 'one of the guys' most of the time) how many female members
> are there? If you were to consider the topic being discussed, I would have
> thought that passionate females on this list would probably want to speak
> up. It is obviously clear that there are some very supportive males out
> there which is awesome to see. So what is the ratio of males to females in
> this situation?
>
> I remember a teacher one saying to my class, the worst thing you can be in
> Australia if you are looking for work is a white Australian male because
> you have the quota numbers stacked against you. I too am a believer that
> what we get should be based on merit and not on some quota system. Yes,
> maybe look at the percentages, if the industry is heavily biased one way
> over another, then maybe think about ways to market to appeal to other
> groups, but keep it merit based. Anything else cheapens the achievements of
> everyone else concerned.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 3 Oct 2018, at 1:08 pm, dusty  wrote:
>
> “Merit-based selection”
> False equivalences
> #metoo denialism (ohnoes won’t someone think of the poor menfolk??)
> “Virtue signalling”
>
> Anyone else hit redpill bingo from this email alone?
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 15:58, James Troy <
> james.t...@agilityapplications.com> wrote:
>
>> Ive long been a member of Ausnog mailing list, I find the information
>> that is often posted here to be quite valuable; I have also been watching
>> this thread with a particular keen interest.
>>
>>
>>
>> Particularly as I was waiting to see how long the #MeToo and ‘gender
>> diversity’ was going to get pushed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Firstly let me say, any assault, sexual or otherwise is not acceptable.
>> Yes IT as an industry is over-represented by males; however to second you
>> start to include someone in something like a board selection based solely
>> on their genitalia is the second you loose any credibility. I wholy
>> subscribe to the idea of the ‘best person for the job’
>>
>>
>>
>> If that means 25% of one gender and 75% of another then fine, they are
>> all selected on their merits.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anything short of selection based on merits (ie: Gender) opens an
>> entirely different can. Ie: is there someone of
>> Asian/African/Australia/aboriginal/TSI background? No? wow wouldn’t that be
>> racist?
>>
>>
>>
>> Suddenly people talk gender and its acceptable.
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe that IT, Along with many industries still has a long way to go
>> to be fully inclusive of all participants, regardless of
>> race/religion/gender/background – but selection based on gender,
>> percentages, inclusion policies is _*not*_ the way to get the
>> recognition that some hard-working people deserve. If I worked in a female
>> dominated industry (teaching, midwifery, childcare, etc) I would want to be
>> selected for something like this based on my work ethics, input, and
>> recognition – not simply to be the token male.
>>
>>
>>
>> We as an industry – and as humans – should be there to support our
>> colleagues when they get targeted and victimised, however I also agree that
>> if an accusation is made, and reported to the ‘other company’ then it
>> should also be accompanied with proof – too often we are seeing the #MeToo
>> being used as a weapon to destroy people – predominately men – without a
>> shread of proof.
>>
>>
>>
>> I do however agree that an ausnog post is not the correct forum for that
>> proof and that is best handled between the direct parties – it was
>> suggested at the CEO level – this protects the 

Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Matthew Young]

I never defined merit as being able to configure BGP.

Merit is whatever is applicable for the role they’re performing. Regardless of 
their gender, they should be picked on that and that alone.

I know a lot of women who would be offended to be chosen based purely because 
they’re a woman. It’s counter-productive and sexist in its own right.

From: John Edwards [mailto:jaedwa...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 2:04 PM
To: Matthew Young 
Cc: aus...@ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

I think that you need to be careful defining "merit" for an organisation who's 
primary functions are to run a conference and mailing list.

Just because all of the past and present Ausnog directors can configure BGP 
with the best of them doesn't automatically qualify them to sit on a board and 
have the best knowledge to put together a conference. Professional conference 
organisations are an excellent example of equality in gender numbers. It's one 
of the only occupations where you will see young women assertively telling 
Fortune 500 CEO's what to do.

Most of us white males in Ausnog have had the luxury of a choice of visible 
white males as role models during the last 20 years of this industry existing, 
something that is an exception for women. I have been fortunate to work 
alongside a number of talented women in the industry, and the thing that stands 
out most is a lack of tech-ego that usually drives their male counterparts. I 
would like to see more of this.

The Ausnog board have done an excellent job so far, and I don't think any of us 
have been able to find fault in what has been achieved. That doesn't mean it 
can't do better. Bevan is obviously supporting women in his organisation, so 
perhaps Superloop can recommend one of its staff to be considered for a board 
position.

John


On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 11:29, Matthew Young 
mailto:m...@mattyoung.net.au>> wrote:
“While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the 
Ausnog board.”

People should be appointed based on their merits, not based on their gender.

From: AusNOG 
[mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net]
 On Behalf Of Paul Wilkins
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2018 5:50 PM
To: aus...@ausnog.net List 
mailto:aus...@ausnog.net>>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

"Seems you've never been to a meeting."

The verity of this statement cannot be overexaggerated.

Kind regards
[https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif]

Paul Wilkins


On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 17:42, Mark Smith 
mailto:markzzzsm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:50, Paul Wilkins 
mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point.
>
> While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the 
> Ausnog board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and they're all 
> men. I'm wondering who is doing the appointing.
>

Seems you've never been to a meeting. That's covered in the closing session.



> That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives rise to an 
> unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:10, David Hughes 
> mailto:da...@hughes.com.au>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing it to our 
>> attention.
>>
>> This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this nature very 
>> seriously.  We hope to discuss this further with those concerned in an 
>> attempt to establish specifics, while maintaining the confidentiality of all 
>> parties.  If there are any actionable details we will offer assistance to 
>> the party involved if they wish to escalate the matter further.
>>
>> Even though issues regarding the behaviour of delegates at our events have 
>> never been raised with us, we want our attendees to feel safe and supported. 
>>  We have commenced a review of policies and processes from other 
>> organisations and will work with our solicitors to draft a policy suitable 
>> for AusNOG events and mailing lists.
>>
>> The organisers of AusNOG believe that behaviour of this nature is not 
>> acceptable at any conference, function, or workplace in our industry.  We 
>> will attempt to engage the leaders of our industry to push for a broader 
>> solution.
>>
>>
>>
>> David - on behalf of the AusNOG Board
>> ...
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Re: [AusNOG] Peering contact for AWS

[PF]

Hi Damian,

I'm not sure bi-lateral peering could be arranged with them due to the
nature of their business, however they offering a peering product you could
use to save on outbound to AWS endpoints and inbound from AWS resources in
accounts you own: https://aws.amazon.com/directconnect/features/

You can also connect via Megaport.

Cheers,

Paul.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 12:45 PM Damian Ivereigh  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Is there anyone from AWS on list who can put me in touch with the
> peering guys at AWS for Sydney to organise some bi-lateral peering. I
> have emailed the entry in peeringdb (peer...@amazon.com) several times
> over the last few weeks with no response.
>
> Thanks
>
> Damian
>
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Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[John Edwards]

I think that you need to be careful defining "merit" for an organisation
who's primary functions are to run a conference and mailing list.

Just because all of the past and present Ausnog directors can configure BGP
with the best of them doesn't automatically qualify them to sit on a board
and have the best knowledge to put together a conference. Professional
conference organisations are an excellent example of equality in gender
numbers. It's one of the only occupations where you will see young women
assertively telling Fortune 500 CEO's what to do.

Most of us white males in Ausnog have had the luxury of a choice of visible
white males as role models during the last 20 years of this industry
existing, something that is an exception for women. I have been fortunate
to work alongside a number of talented women in the industry, and the thing
that stands out most is a lack of tech-ego that usually drives their male
counterparts. I would like to see more of this.

The Ausnog board have done an excellent job so far, and I don't think any
of us have been able to find fault in what has been achieved. That doesn't
mean it can't do better. Bevan is obviously supporting women in his
organisation, so perhaps Superloop can recommend one of its staff to be
considered for a board position.

John


On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 11:29, Matthew Young  wrote:

> “While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the
> Ausnog board.”
>
>
>
> People should be appointed based on their merits, not based on their
> gender.
>
>
>
> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Paul
> Wilkins
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 October 2018 5:50 PM
> *To:* aus...@ausnog.net List 
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.
>
>
>
> "Seems you've never been to a meeting."
>
>
>
> The verity of this statement cannot be overexaggerated.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 17:42, Mark Smith  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:50, Paul Wilkins 
> wrote:
> >
> > The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point.
> >
> > While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the
> Ausnog board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and they're
> all men. I'm wondering who is doing the appointing.
> >
>
> Seems you've never been to a meeting. That's covered in the closing
> session.
>
>
>
> > That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives rise
> to an unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Paul Wilkins
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:10, David Hughes  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing it to our
> attention.
> >>
> >> This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this nature
> very seriously.  We hope to discuss this further with those concerned in an
> attempt to establish specifics, while maintaining the confidentiality of
> all parties.  If there are any actionable details we will offer assistance
> to the party involved if they wish to escalate the matter further.
> >>
> >> Even though issues regarding the behaviour of delegates at our events
> have never been raised with us, we want our attendees to feel safe and
> supported.  We have commenced a review of policies and processes from other
> organisations and will work with our solicitors to draft a policy suitable
> for AusNOG events and mailing lists.
> >>
> >> The organisers of AusNOG believe that behaviour of this nature is not
> acceptable at any conference, function, or workplace in our industry.  We
> will attempt to engage the leaders of our industry to push for a broader
> solution.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> David - on behalf of the AusNOG Board
> >> ...
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Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Tim Raphael]

This discussion has now made a 90 degree turn away from the point it was trying 
to address - There are reported instances of sexual harassment at a recent 
event and by replies it seems people want something done about it.
If the Board of AusNOG value further input from the community about how AusNOG 
should be run or governed with regard to this, I’m sure they will pipe up and 
ask.

I would suggest leaving the list free of further side-tracking and continue 
this discussion in other industry forums as mentioned in my previous email.

- Tim


> On 3 Oct 2018, at 1:57 pm, Karen Hargreave  wrote:
> 
> So, someone made reference to the lack of females on the board...
> 
> Can we take a moment and have a look at something? Apart from myself (who 
> identifies as 'one of the guys' most of the time) how many female members are 
> there? If you were to consider the topic being discussed, I would have 
> thought that passionate females on this list would probably want to speak up. 
> It is obviously clear that there are some very supportive males out there 
> which is awesome to see. So what is the ratio of males to females in this 
> situation?
> 
> I remember a teacher one saying to my class, the worst thing you can be in 
> Australia if you are looking for work is a white Australian male because you 
> have the quota numbers stacked against you. I too am a believer that what we 
> get should be based on merit and not on some quota system. Yes, maybe look at 
> the percentages, if the industry is heavily biased one way over another, then 
> maybe think about ways to market to appeal to other groups, but keep it merit 
> based. Anything else cheapens the achievements of everyone else concerned.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 3 Oct 2018, at 1:08 pm, dusty  > wrote:
> 
>> “Merit-based selection”
>> False equivalences
>> #metoo denialism (ohnoes won’t someone think of the poor menfolk??)
>> “Virtue signalling”
>> 
>> Anyone else hit redpill bingo from this email alone?
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 15:58, James Troy > > wrote:
>> Ive long been a member of Ausnog mailing list, I find the information that 
>> is often posted here to be quite valuable; I have also been watching this 
>> thread with a particular keen interest.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Particularly as I was waiting to see how long the #MeToo and ‘gender 
>> diversity’ was going to get pushed.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Firstly let me say, any assault, sexual or otherwise is not acceptable. Yes 
>> IT as an industry is over-represented by males; however to second you start 
>> to include someone in something like a board selection based solely on their 
>> genitalia is the second you loose any credibility. I wholy subscribe to the 
>> idea of the ‘best person for the job’
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If that means 25% of one gender and 75% of another then fine, they are all 
>> selected on their merits.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Anything short of selection based on merits (ie: Gender) opens an entirely 
>> different can. Ie: is there someone of 
>> Asian/African/Australia/aboriginal/TSI background? No? wow wouldn’t that be 
>> racist?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Suddenly people talk gender and its acceptable.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I believe that IT, Along with many industries still has a long way to go to 
>> be fully inclusive of all participants, regardless of 
>> race/religion/gender/background – but selection based on gender, 
>> percentages, inclusion policies is _not_ the way to get the recognition that 
>> some hard-working people deserve. If I worked in a female dominated industry 
>> (teaching, midwifery, childcare, etc) I would want to be selected for 
>> something like this based on my work ethics, input, and recognition – not 
>> simply to be the token male.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We as an industry – and as humans – should be there to support our 
>> colleagues when they get targeted and victimised, however I also agree that 
>> if an accusation is made, and reported to the ‘other company’ then it should 
>> also be accompanied with proof – too often we are seeing the #MeToo being 
>> used as a weapon to destroy people – predominately men – without a shread of 
>> proof.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I do however agree that an ausnog post is not the correct forum for that 
>> proof and that is best handled between the direct parties – it was suggested 
>> at the CEO level – this protects the victim, the *Alleged* (I use this term 
>> deliberately as until it is proof we have due process – innocent until 
>> PROVEN guilty – same as the media reporting on items that are before the 
>> courts.) aggressor until a chain of evidence can be established and only 
>> then actioned upon.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Im sure I will cop back-lash on this, virtue signalling and all…
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> James Troy
>> 
>> Senior Systems Administration
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AusNOG > 

Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Jacob Bisby]

+1 to this.

This thread has well and truly reached the end of it’s useful life, and a 
number of people have achieved absolutely nothing with their unprofessional 
bickering and ad-hominem attacks on each other (among other numerous logical 
fallacies present). Some of the conduct shown within this thread is completely 
disgraceful.

To the lurkers coming out of the woodwork - let the operators operate, attack 
each other somewhere else.



- Jacob 

From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of andrew khoo
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 11:13 AM
To: aus...@ausnog.net (ausnog@lists.ausnog.net) 
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

 

can we all please fork these discussions into a separate thread or list?

 

regardless of validity or virtue or other discussions, there ARE a few of us 
folk that still want to use this list for operational purposes.

 

 

 


On October 3, 2018 at 1:09 PM, dusty (dusty...@gmail.com 
 ) wrote:

 

“Merit-based selection”

False equivalences

#metoo denialism (ohnoes won’t someone think of the poor menfolk??)

“Virtue signalling”

 

Anyone else hit redpill bingo from this email alone?

 

 

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 15:58, James Troy mailto:james.t...@agilityapplications.com> > wrote:

Ive long been a member of Ausnog mailing list, I find the information that is 
often posted here to be quite valuable; I have also been watching this thread 
with a particular keen interest.

 

Particularly as I was waiting to see how long the #MeToo and ‘gender diversity’ 
was going to get pushed.

 

Firstly let me say, any assault, sexual or otherwise is not acceptable. Yes IT 
as an industry is over-represented by males; however to second you start to 
include someone in something like a board selection based solely on their 
genitalia is the second you loose any credibility. I wholy subscribe to the 
idea of the ‘best person for the job’

 

If that means 25% of one gender and 75% of another then fine, they are all 
selected on their merits.

 

Anything short of selection based on merits (ie: Gender) opens an entirely 
different can. Ie: is there someone of Asian/African/Australia/aboriginal/TSI 
background? No? wow wouldn’t that be racist?

 

Suddenly people talk gender and its acceptable.

 

I believe that IT, Along with many industries still has a long way to go to be 
fully inclusive of all participants, regardless of 
race/religion/gender/background – but selection based on gender, percentages, 
inclusion policies is _not_ the way to get the recognition that some 
hard-working people deserve. If I worked in a female dominated industry 
(teaching, midwifery, childcare, etc) I would want to be selected for something 
like this based on my work ethics, input, and recognition – not simply to be 
the token male.

 

We as an industry – and as humans – should be there to support our colleagues 
when they get targeted and victimised, however I also agree that if an 
accusation is made, and reported to the ‘other company’ then it should also be 
accompanied with proof – too often we are seeing the #MeToo being used as a 
weapon to destroy people – predominately men – without a shread of proof.

 

I do however agree that an ausnog post is not the correct forum for that proof 
and that is best handled between the direct parties – it was suggested at the 
CEO level – this protects the victim, the *Alleged* (I use this term 
deliberately as until it is proof we have due process – innocent until PROVEN 
guilty – same as the media reporting on items that are before the courts.) 
aggressor until a chain of evidence can be established and only then actioned 
upon.

 

Im sure I will cop back-lash on this, virtue signalling and all…

 


James Troy

Senior Systems Administration


 


 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

From: AusNOG mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net> > On Behalf Of dusty
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:33 PM
To: Matthew Young mailto:m...@mattyoung.net.au> >
Cc: aus...@ausnog.net   List mailto:aus...@ausnog.net> >


Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

 

 

 

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 14:59, Matthew Young mailto:m...@mattyoung.net.au> > wrote:

“While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the 
Ausnog board.”

People should be appointed based on their merits, not based on their gender.

 

Show me a man with a bias-free recruitment/selection process, and I’ll show you 
a deluded patriarchal fool.

 

 

 

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net 
 ] On Behalf Of Paul Wilkins
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2018 5:50 PM
To: aus...@ausnog.net   List mailto:aus...@ausnog.net> >
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

 

"Seems you've never been to a meeting."

 

The verity of this statement cannot be overexaggerated.

 

Kind regards

  

Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Karen Hargreave]

So, someone made reference to the lack of females on the board...

Can we take a moment and have a look at something? Apart from myself (who 
identifies as 'one of the guys' most of the time) how many female members are 
there? If you were to consider the topic being discussed, I would have thought 
that passionate females on this list would probably want to speak up. It is 
obviously clear that there are some very supportive males out there which is 
awesome to see. So what is the ratio of males to females in this situation?

I remember a teacher one saying to my class, the worst thing you can be in 
Australia if you are looking for work is a white Australian male because you 
have the quota numbers stacked against you. I too am a believer that what we 
get should be based on merit and not on some quota system. Yes, maybe look at 
the percentages, if the industry is heavily biased one way over another, then 
maybe think about ways to market to appeal to other groups, but keep it merit 
based. Anything else cheapens the achievements of everyone else concerned.

Sent from my iPad

> On 3 Oct 2018, at 1:08 pm, dusty  wrote:
> 
> “Merit-based selection”
> False equivalences
> #metoo denialism (ohnoes won’t someone think of the poor menfolk??)
> “Virtue signalling”
> 
> Anyone else hit redpill bingo from this email alone?
> 
> 
>> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 15:58, James Troy  
>> wrote:
>> Ive long been a member of Ausnog mailing list, I find the information that 
>> is often posted here to be quite valuable; I have also been watching this 
>> thread with a particular keen interest.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Particularly as I was waiting to see how long the #MeToo and ‘gender 
>> diversity’ was going to get pushed.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Firstly let me say, any assault, sexual or otherwise is not acceptable. Yes 
>> IT as an industry is over-represented by males; however to second you start 
>> to include someone in something like a board selection based solely on their 
>> genitalia is the second you loose any credibility. I wholy subscribe to the 
>> idea of the ‘best person for the job’
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If that means 25% of one gender and 75% of another then fine, they are all 
>> selected on their merits.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Anything short of selection based on merits (ie: Gender) opens an entirely 
>> different can. Ie: is there someone of 
>> Asian/African/Australia/aboriginal/TSI background? No? wow wouldn’t that be 
>> racist?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Suddenly people talk gender and its acceptable.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I believe that IT, Along with many industries still has a long way to go to 
>> be fully inclusive of all participants, regardless of 
>> race/religion/gender/background – but selection based on gender, 
>> percentages, inclusion policies is _not_ the way to get the recognition that 
>> some hard-working people deserve. If I worked in a female dominated industry 
>> (teaching, midwifery, childcare, etc) I would want to be selected for 
>> something like this based on my work ethics, input, and recognition – not 
>> simply to be the token male.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We as an industry – and as humans – should be there to support our 
>> colleagues when they get targeted and victimised, however I also agree that 
>> if an accusation is made, and reported to the ‘other company’ then it should 
>> also be accompanied with proof – too often we are seeing the #MeToo being 
>> used as a weapon to destroy people – predominately men – without a shread of 
>> proof.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I do however agree that an ausnog post is not the correct forum for that 
>> proof and that is best handled between the direct parties – it was suggested 
>> at the CEO level – this protects the victim, the *Alleged* (I use this term 
>> deliberately as until it is proof we have due process – innocent until 
>> PROVEN guilty – same as the media reporting on items that are before the 
>> courts.) aggressor until a chain of evidence can be established and only 
>> then actioned upon.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Im sure I will cop back-lash on this, virtue signalling and all…
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> James Troy
>> 
>> Senior Systems Administration
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of dusty
>> Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:33 PM
>> To: Matthew Young 
>> Cc: aus...@ausnog.net List 
>> 
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 14:59, Matthew Young  wrote:
>> 
>> “While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the 
>> Ausnog board.” 
>> 
>> People should be appointed based on their merits, not based on their gender.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Show me a man with a bias-free recruitment/selection process, and I’ll show 
>> you a deluded patriarchal fool.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Paul 
>> Wilkins
>> Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2018 5:50 PM
>> To: 

Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

[Dave Browning]

All,

Just to keep the list updated on this issue, Google have confirmed there is a 
wide spread problem and the appropriate Engineer's are on the case

Cheers,

Dave Browning | Senior Network Engineer
P 1300 791 678 D 07 3708 0008
Level 1, 12 Railway Tce, Milton QLD 4064

-Original Message-
From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Dave Browning
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:53 PM
To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

Hi Jen,

Looks like your front line aren’t aware of the issues, see response below;
--
Hi,
 
Google does not recommend using ping time to google.com [or any other Google 
service, including Google Public DNS, or 8.8.8.8] as a measure of the actual 
performance of Google services for the following reasons:
 
- Google services, including Google Public DNS, are not designed as ICMP 
network testing services
- Many large networks, including Google, rate limit ICMP
- ICMP ping or traceroute traffic can be discarded or delayed en-route to Google
- The termination point of the TCP/UDP session with Google may not represent 
the full network path between a user and the service
- User requests may be served from locations closer to or farther from the user 
than the destination of the initial TCP termination point
- Even a complete lack of response to ICMP traffic may not reflect any sort of 
issue with Google service performance.
 
Please do let us know if you actually getting complaints from your users about 
accessing Google services.
 
FYI, you may also want to read this about icmp and traceroutes to Google 
https://peering.google.com/#/learn-more/faq
 
 
Best Regards,
 
Salman Nasir Khan | Network Operations Center (AS15169) | 
mailto:n...@google.com | +1-855-4664-638
--

Cheers,

Dave Browning | Senior Network Engineer
P 1300 791 678 D 07 3708 0008
Level 1, 12 Railway Tce, Milton QLD 4064

From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Jen Linkova
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:04 PM
To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

Just to let everyone know - the problem is being investigated right now.


On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 10:42 AM Dave Browning  
wrote:
All,

I am seeing high latency into Google's network from both our network and also 
my home network. Is everyone else seeing this? Examples are 8.8.8.8 and 
35.185.160.2 We direct peer with them. Looks as if my home ISP do too.

Latency seems to jump at the same spot from both networks, between 
108.170.247.75 and 216.239.35.142 (both Google IPs).
Have sent NOC a message, but just be interested to see if others are affected.

Cheers,

Dave Browning | Senior Network Engineer
P 1300 791 678 D 07 3708 0008
Level 1, 12 Railway Tce, Milton QLD 4064 
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Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Benno Rice]

Merit’s a tricky concept because it’s subjective. It’s been used to keep 
various underrepresented groups out for quite a long time. You see this coming 
out of studies where they change the names on resumes and measure the response 
rate and things like that. You also see it in differences in performance 
reviews for people doing similar jobs but differing in gender or race.

Sometimes to fix a broken thing you need a blunt instrument.

Nobody wants (or wants to be) the token anything but by forcing people to look 
outside the box they’re used to you can get them to reevaluate, thus quotas can 
become a transitional tool. Alternatively you do things like forcing first 
rounds of review to be anonymous. All you get is the resume. That’s a bit hard 
to do in a group like this where a lot of people will be able to piece together 
who someone is based on their work history. I do know of some conferences that 
do a blind review round for proposals so that all they see is the proposal and 
anyone who actually knows the person behind it recuses themselves from that 
round. Once the first round of review is done then the names are revealed. This 
is done partly to ensure that people don’t get in on name recognition alone but 
also to ensure that the reviewers review the content first and avoid any 
entanglement with any biases they have (because we all have them).

I suspect what people are asking for here isn’t a quota and it certainly isn’t 
appointing people based on anything other than their ability to be an effective 
board member. What it often means is requiring that people actively look for 
people who don’t fit the usual mould. Requiring people to actually look for 
people who aren’t male, or aren’t white, or whatever doesn’t mean compromising 
on anything, it just means requiring them to work a bit harder to achieve a 
better outcome for everyone. It genuinely is a better outcome, too. The 
healthiest and most vibrant communities I’ve seen are the ones that have 
diverse and inclusive memberships. In fact they tend to be even better at 
lifting people up and helping them develop which only makes them more 
sustainable in the long run.

As I said above, knee-jerk responses to the notion that we might do something 
aren’t useful. Constructive responses are better. If you don’t like quotas, 
suggesting alternative ways to increase the representation of underrepresented 
groups on the board (and in the community!) would be useful. If you don’t like 
codes of conduct, offer an alternative that addresses the behavioural issues 
that have been raised. Don’t just regurgitate the same tired rants that we’ve 
all heard before because that adds nothing.

If you really want to do something constructive, go find the most talented, 
most able woman in the industry you can think of and see if she’d be interested 
in joining the AusNOG board. That way it’s not a quota thing and everyone’s 
happy, right?

Cheers,
Benno.

> On 3 Oct 2018, at 13:29, James Troy  
> wrote:
> 
> Benno,
> As I mentioned on the backlash – here it is…
>  
> You see my response as not very positive or helpful – I think that is quite 
> sad really.
>  
> “White dude” – well ½ of that is right… I am actually TSI. I would NEVER want 
> to be selected/hired/elected based on this. To the point its why I never 
> include it on any application forms, not because im ashamed of who am I, but 
> because I want to be selected on merit…
>  
> The difference between my post and Mark’s post was he was offering help to 
> the victim, I am offering my thought/advice on a selection/election to a 
> board. I can see how you got these confused.
>  
> I really hope there is full representation on any board, job, industry, etc. 
> I guess I wasn’t clear enough the first time – Do it on merit. If that means 
> on my next job interview I get pipped at the post by a more qualified 
> female/different ethnicity/religion person/pigeon then great. Its what I 
> want. Equality – real equality; not the quota kind.
>  
> James Troy
> Senior Systems Administration
>  
>  
> From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Benno Rice
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 1:21 PM
> To: aus...@ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.
>  
> So I, too, am a lurker on this list. Hell, I don’t even run any networks 
> besides my home one, haven’t done for ages.
>  
> That said I, too, have been watching this with interest and I’ve seen two 
> responses, well one response, and one class of responses, that I find 
> interesting.
>  
> On the one hand, you’ve got stuff like James here. James is running the exact 
> same set of arguments that you normally get from, generally, white dudes that 
> feel threatened by any attempt to address the systemic problems we have in 
> society in general and tech in particular. Yes, yes I know they don’t believe 
> that those problems are there but, well, whatever. I saw similar from Noel 
> Butler and from Matthew Young up-thread. All of 

Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Noel Butler]

On 03/10/2018 13:13, andrew khoo wrote:

> can we all please fork these discussions into a separate thread or list? 
> 
> regardless of validity or virtue or other discussions, there ARE a few of us 
> folk that still want to use this list for operational purposes.

+1 

David, can you setup an  ausnog.politcis  ?  so we can reset the mute
level on this list so it is ACTUALLY used for its purpose. 

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Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Sam Silvester]

Luckily while a very male-dominated industry, we're not lacking eminently
qualified and talented women so I'm certain a gender balanced board is
easily achievable.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 1:00 PM James Troy <
james.t...@agilityapplications.com> wrote:

> Benno,
>
> As I mentioned on the backlash – here it is…
>
>
>
> You see my response as not very positive or helpful – I think that is
> quite sad really.
>
>
>
> “White dude” – well ½ of that is right… I am actually TSI. I would NEVER
> want to be selected/hired/elected based on this. To the point its why I
> never include it on any application forms, not because im ashamed of who am
> I, but because I want to be selected on merit…
>
>
>
> The difference between my post and Mark’s post was he was offering help to
> the victim, I am offering my thought/advice on a selection/election to a
> board. I can see how you got these confused.
>
>
>
> I really hope there is full representation on any board, job, industry,
> etc. I guess I wasn’t clear enough the first time – Do it on merit. If that
> means on my next job interview I get pipped at the post by a more qualified
> female/different ethnicity/religion person/pigeon then great. Its what I
> want. Equality – real equality; not the quota kind.
>
>
>
> James Troy
>
> Senior Systems Administration
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AusNOG  *On Behalf Of *Benno Rice
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 3 October 2018 1:21 PM
> *To:* aus...@ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.
>
>
>
> So I, too, am a lurker on this list. Hell, I don’t even run any networks
> besides my home one, haven’t done for ages.
>
>
>
> That said I, too, have been watching this with interest and I’ve seen two
> responses, well one response, and one class of responses, that I find
> interesting.
>
>
>
> On the one hand, you’ve got stuff like James here. James is running the
> exact same set of arguments that you normally get from, generally, white
> dudes that feel threatened by any attempt to address the systemic problems
> we have in society in general and tech in particular. Yes, yes I know they
> don’t believe that those problems are there but, well, whatever. I saw
> similar from Noel Butler and from Matthew Young up-thread. All of these
> tend to come across as a knee-jerk reaction against the notion that we
> might actually do something.
>
>
>
> On the other hand we had Mark Newton’s “What I can do to help.” post.
> Instead of a knee-jerk reaction against doing something, he put forward a
> completely reasonable set of steps that he promised to do if someone were
> to come forward. Hell, his set of steps form a pretty good basis for the
> enforcement process of a Code of Conduct.
>
>
>
> One of these messages was positive and valuable. The others were very much
> not.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>   Benno.
>
>
>
> On 3 Oct 2018, at 12:57, James Troy 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ive long been a member of Ausnog mailing list, I find the information that
> is often posted here to be quite valuable; I have also been watching this
> thread with a particular keen interest.
>
>
>
> Particularly as I was waiting to see how long the #MeToo and ‘gender
> diversity’ was going to get pushed.
>
>
>
> Firstly let me say, any assault, sexual or otherwise is not acceptable.
> Yes IT as an industry is over-represented by males; however to second you
> start to include someone in something like a board selection based solely
> on their genitalia is the second you loose any credibility. I wholy
> subscribe to the idea of the ‘best person for the job’
>
>
>
> If that means 25% of one gender and 75% of another then fine, they are all
> selected on their merits.
>
>
>
> Anything short of selection based on merits (ie: Gender) opens an entirely
> different can. Ie: is there someone of
> Asian/African/Australia/aboriginal/TSI background? No? wow wouldn’t that be
> racist?
>
>
>
> Suddenly people talk gender and its acceptable.
>
>
>
> I believe that IT, Along with many industries still has a long way to go
> to be fully inclusive of all participants, regardless of
> race/religion/gender/background – but selection based on gender,
> percentages, inclusion policies is _*not*_ the way to get the recognition
> that some hard-working people deserve. If I worked in a female dominated
> industry (teaching, midwifery, childcare, etc) I would want to be selected
> for something like this based on my work ethics, input, and recognition –
> not simply to be the token male.
>
>
>
> We as an industry – and as humans – should be there to support our
> colleagues when they get targeted and victimised, however I also agree that
> if an accusation is made, and reported to the ‘other company’ then it
> should also be accompanied with proof – too often we are seeing the #MeToo
> being used as a weapon to destroy people – predominately men – without a
> shread of proof.
>
>
>
> I do however agree that an ausnog post is not the correct forum for that
> proof and that is best handled 

Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Guy Ellis]

There are some views here that would be very welcome in the Liberal Party.

Please go away and join them!

- G.


On 3/10/2018 1:16 PM, Robert Brockway wrote:

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, Paul Wilkins wrote:


The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point.

While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the
Ausnog board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and 
they're

all men. I'm wondering who is doing the appointing.

That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives 
rise to

an unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club.


I strongly recommend against appointing someone on the basis of 
gender, or other physical characteristics.  Similarly, in the case of 
an election, I recommend against reserving seats on the basis of 
gender or other physical characteristics.


The most promising candidates should be considered regardless of their
gender or other physical characteristics.

I stand by merit based promotion, election and appointment.  There are a
growing number of people in our society who are arguing against
meritocracy.  The site below refers specifically to open source software
(or, as I prefer to call it, FOSS) but the movement against merit is
broader than that.

https://postmeritocracy.org/
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Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[James Troy]

Benno,

As I mentioned on the backlash – here it is…

 

You see my response as not very positive or helpful – I think that is quite sad 
really.

 

“White dude” – well ½ of that is right… I am actually TSI. I would NEVER want 
to be selected/hired/elected based on this. To the point its why I never 
include it on any application forms, not because im ashamed of who am I, but 
because I want to be selected on merit…

 

The difference between my post and Mark’s post was he was offering help to the 
victim, I am offering my thought/advice on a selection/election to a board. I 
can see how you got these confused.

 

I really hope there is full representation on any board, job, industry, etc. I 
guess I wasn’t clear enough the first time – Do it on merit. If that means on 
my next job interview I get pipped at the post by a more qualified 
female/different ethnicity/religion person/pigeon then great. Its what I want. 
Equality – real equality; not the quota kind.

 


James Troy

Senior Systems Administration

 

 

From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Benno Rice
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 1:21 PM
To: aus...@ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

 

So I, too, am a lurker on this list. Hell, I don’t even run any networks 
besides my home one, haven’t done for ages.

 

That said I, too, have been watching this with interest and I’ve seen two 
responses, well one response, and one class of responses, that I find 
interesting.

 

On the one hand, you’ve got stuff like James here. James is running the exact 
same set of arguments that you normally get from, generally, white dudes that 
feel threatened by any attempt to address the systemic problems we have in 
society in general and tech in particular. Yes, yes I know they don’t believe 
that those problems are there but, well, whatever. I saw similar from Noel 
Butler and from Matthew Young up-thread. All of these tend to come across as a 
knee-jerk reaction against the notion that we might actually do something.

 

On the other hand we had Mark Newton’s “What I can do to help.” post. Instead 
of a knee-jerk reaction against doing something, he put forward a completely 
reasonable set of steps that he promised to do if someone were to come forward. 
Hell, his set of steps form a pretty good basis for the enforcement process of 
a Code of Conduct.

 

One of these messages was positive and valuable. The others were very much not.

 

Cheers,

  Benno.





On 3 Oct 2018, at 12:57, James Troy mailto:james.t...@agilityapplications.com> > wrote:

 

Ive long been a member of Ausnog mailing list, I find the information that is 
often posted here to be quite valuable; I have also been watching this thread 
with a particular keen interest.

 

Particularly as I was waiting to see how long the #MeToo and ‘gender diversity’ 
was going to get pushed.

 

Firstly let me say, any assault, sexual or otherwise is not acceptable. Yes IT 
as an industry is over-represented by males; however to second you start to 
include someone in something like a board selection based solely on their 
genitalia is the second you loose any credibility. I wholy subscribe to the 
idea of the ‘best person for the job’

 

If that means 25% of one gender and 75% of another then fine, they are all 
selected on their merits.

 

Anything short of selection based on merits (ie: Gender) opens an entirely 
different can. Ie: is there someone of Asian/African/Australia/aboriginal/TSI 
background? No? wow wouldn’t that be racist?

 

Suddenly people talk gender and its acceptable.

 

I believe that IT, Along with many industries still has a long way to go to be 
fully inclusive of all participants, regardless of 
race/religion/gender/background – but selection based on gender, percentages, 
inclusion policies is _not_ the way to get the recognition that some 
hard-working people deserve. If I worked in a female dominated industry 
(teaching, midwifery, childcare, etc) I would want to be selected for something 
like this based on my work ethics, input, and recognition – not simply to be 
the token male. 

 

We as an industry – and as humans – should be there to support our colleagues 
when they get targeted and victimised, however I also agree that if an 
accusation is made, and reported to the ‘other company’ then it should also be 
accompanied with proof – too often we are seeing the #MeToo being used as a 
weapon to destroy people – predominately men – without a shread of proof.

 

I do however agree that an ausnog post is not the correct forum for that proof 
and that is best handled between the direct parties – it was suggested at the 
CEO level – this protects the victim, the *Alleged* (I use this term 
deliberately as until it is proof we have due process – innocent until PROVEN 
guilty – same as the media reporting on items that are before the courts.) 
aggressor until a chain of evidence can be established and only then actioned 
upon.

 

Im sure I 

Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Benno Rice]

So I, too, am a lurker on this list. Hell, I don’t even run any networks 
besides my home one, haven’t done for ages.

That said I, too, have been watching this with interest and I’ve seen two 
responses, well one response, and one class of responses, that I find 
interesting.

On the one hand, you’ve got stuff like James here. James is running the exact 
same set of arguments that you normally get from, generally, white dudes that 
feel threatened by any attempt to address the systemic problems we have in 
society in general and tech in particular. Yes, yes I know they don’t believe 
that those problems are there but, well, whatever. I saw similar from Noel 
Butler and from Matthew Young up-thread. All of these tend to come across as a 
knee-jerk reaction against the notion that we might actually do something.

On the other hand we had Mark Newton’s “What I can do to help.” post. Instead 
of a knee-jerk reaction against doing something, he put forward a completely 
reasonable set of steps that he promised to do if someone were to come forward. 
Hell, his set of steps form a pretty good basis for the enforcement process of 
a Code of Conduct.

One of these messages was positive and valuable. The others were very much not.

Cheers,
Benno.

> On 3 Oct 2018, at 12:57, James Troy  
> wrote:
> 
> Ive long been a member of Ausnog mailing list, I find the information that is 
> often posted here to be quite valuable; I have also been watching this thread 
> with a particular keen interest.
>  
> Particularly as I was waiting to see how long the #MeToo and ‘gender 
> diversity’ was going to get pushed.
>  
> Firstly let me say, any assault, sexual or otherwise is not acceptable. Yes 
> IT as an industry is over-represented by males; however to second you start 
> to include someone in something like a board selection based solely on their 
> genitalia is the second you loose any credibility. I wholy subscribe to the 
> idea of the ‘best person for the job’
>  
> If that means 25% of one gender and 75% of another then fine, they are all 
> selected on their merits.
>  
> Anything short of selection based on merits (ie: Gender) opens an entirely 
> different can. Ie: is there someone of Asian/African/Australia/aboriginal/TSI 
> background? No? wow wouldn’t that be racist?
>  
> Suddenly people talk gender and its acceptable.
>  
> I believe that IT, Along with many industries still has a long way to go to 
> be fully inclusive of all participants, regardless of 
> race/religion/gender/background – but selection based on gender, percentages, 
> inclusion policies is _not_ the way to get the recognition that some 
> hard-working people deserve. If I worked in a female dominated industry 
> (teaching, midwifery, childcare, etc) I would want to be selected for 
> something like this based on my work ethics, input, and recognition – not 
> simply to be the token male. 
>  
> We as an industry – and as humans – should be there to support our colleagues 
> when they get targeted and victimised, however I also agree that if an 
> accusation is made, and reported to the ‘other company’ then it should also 
> be accompanied with proof – too often we are seeing the #MeToo being used as 
> a weapon to destroy people – predominately men – without a shread of proof.
>  
> I do however agree that an ausnog post is not the correct forum for that 
> proof and that is best handled between the direct parties – it was suggested 
> at the CEO level – this protects the victim, the *Alleged* (I use this term 
> deliberately as until it is proof we have due process – innocent until PROVEN 
> guilty – same as the media reporting on items that are before the courts.) 
> aggressor until a chain of evidence can be established and only then actioned 
> upon.
>  
> Im sure I will cop back-lash on this, virtue signalling and all…
>  
> James Troy
> Senior Systems Administration
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of dusty
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:33 PM
> To: Matthew Young 
> Cc: aus...@ausnog.net List 
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 14:59, Matthew Young  > wrote:
>> “While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the 
>> Ausnog board.” 
>> People should be appointed based on their merits, not based on their gender.
>  
> Show me a man with a bias-free recruitment/selection process, and I’ll show 
> you a deluded patriarchal fool.
>  
>  
>  
>> From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net 
>> ] On Behalf Of Paul Wilkins
>> Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2018 5:50 PM
>> To: aus...@ausnog.net  List > >
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.
>>  
>> "Seems you've never been to a meeting."
>>  
>> The verity of this statement cannot be overexaggerated.
>>  
>> Kind regards
>> 

Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Robert Brockway]

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, Paul Wilkins wrote:


The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point.

While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the
Ausnog board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and they're
all men. I'm wondering who is doing the appointing.

That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives rise to
an unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club.


I strongly recommend against appointing someone on the basis of gender, or 
other physical characteristics.  Similarly, in the case of an election, I 
recommend against reserving seats on the basis of gender or other physical 
characteristics.


The most promising candidates should be considered regardless of their
gender or other physical characteristics.

I stand by merit based promotion, election and appointment.  There are a
growing number of people in our society who are arguing against
meritocracy.  The site below refers specifically to open source software
(or, as I prefer to call it, FOSS) but the movement against merit is
broader than that.

https://postmeritocracy.org/
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Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[andrew khoo]

can we all please fork these discussions into a separate thread
or list?

regardless of validity or virtue or other discussions, there ARE
a few of us folk that still want to use this list for operational
purposes.






On October 3, 2018 at 1:09 PM, dusty (dusty...@gmail.com) wrote:

“Merit-based selection”
False equivalences
#metoo denialism (ohnoes won’t someone think of the poor
menfolk??)
“Virtue signalling”

Anyone else hit redpill bingo from this email alone?


On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 15:58, James Troy
 wrote:
Ive long been a member of Ausnog mailing list, I find the
information that is often posted here to be quite valuable; I
have also been watching this thread with a particular keen
interest.

Particularly as I was waiting to see how long the #MeToo and
‘gender diversity’ was going to get pushed.

Firstly let me say, any assault, sexual or otherwise is not
acceptable. Yes IT as an industry is over-represented by males;
however to second you start to include someone in something like
a board selection based solely on their genitalia is the second
you loose any credibility. I wholy subscribe to the idea of the
‘best person for the job’

If that means 25% of one gender and 75% of another then fine,
they are all selected on their merits.

Anything short of selection based on merits (ie: Gender) opens an
entirely different can. Ie: is there someone of
Asian/African/Australia/aboriginal/TSI background? No? wow
wouldn’t that be racist?

Suddenly people talk gender and its acceptable.

I believe that IT, Along with many industries still has a long
way to go to be fully inclusive of all participants, regardless
of race/religion/gender/background – but selection based on
gender, percentages, inclusion policies is _not_ the way to get
the recognition that some hard-working people deserve. If I
worked in a female dominated industry (teaching, midwifery,
childcare, etc) I would want to be selected for something like
this based on my work ethics, input, and recognition – not simply
to be the token male.

We as an industry – and as humans – should be there to support
our colleagues when they get targeted and victimised, however I
also agree that if an accusation is made, and reported to the
‘other company’ then it should also be accompanied with proof –
too often we are seeing the #MeToo being used as a weapon to
destroy people – predominately men – without a shread of proof.

I do however agree that an ausnog post is not the correct forum
for that proof and that is best handled between the direct
parties – it was suggested at the CEO level – this protects the
victim, the *Alleged* (I use this term deliberately as until it
is proof we have due process – innocent until PROVEN guilty –
same as the media reporting on items that are before the courts.)
aggressor until a chain of evidence can be established and only
then actioned upon.

Im sure I will cop back-lash on this, virtue signalling and all…




James Troy

Senior Systems Administration





















From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of dusty
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:33 PM
To: Matthew Young 
Cc: aus...@ausnog.net List 

Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.



On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 14:59, Matthew Young
 wrote:
“While we're at it though, there needs to be female
representation on the Ausnog board.”
People should be appointed based on their merits, not based on
their gender.

Show me a man with a bias-free recruitment/selection process, and
I’ll show you a deluded patriarchal fool.



From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf
Of Paul Wilkins
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2018 5:50 PM
To: aus...@ausnog.net List 
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

"Seems you've never been to a meeting."

The verity of this statement cannot be overexaggerated.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins


On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 17:42, Mark Smith 
wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:50, Paul Wilkins
 wrote:
>
> The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good
point.
>
> While we're at it though, there needs to be female
representation on the Ausnog board. I see where there's 5
directors been appointed, and they're all men. I'm wondering who
is doing the appointing.
>

Seems you've never been to a meeting. That's covered in the
closing session.



> That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard
gives rise to an unfortunate impression of the board acting as a
boy's club.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:10, David Hughes 
wrote:
>>
>>
>> We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing
it to our attention.
>>
>> This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this
nature very seriously. We hope to discuss this further with those
concerned in an attempt to establish specifics, while maintaining
the confidentiality of all parties. If there are any actionable
details we will offer assistance to the party involved if they
wish to escalate the matter further.
>>

Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[dusty]

“Merit-based selection”
False equivalences
#metoo denialism (ohnoes won’t someone think of the poor menfolk??)
“Virtue signalling”

Anyone else hit redpill bingo from this email alone?


On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 15:58, James Troy 
wrote:

> Ive long been a member of Ausnog mailing list, I find the information that
> is often posted here to be quite valuable; I have also been watching this
> thread with a particular keen interest.
>
>
>
> Particularly as I was waiting to see how long the #MeToo and ‘gender
> diversity’ was going to get pushed.
>
>
>
> Firstly let me say, any assault, sexual or otherwise is not acceptable.
> Yes IT as an industry is over-represented by males; however to second you
> start to include someone in something like a board selection based solely
> on their genitalia is the second you loose any credibility. I wholy
> subscribe to the idea of the ‘best person for the job’
>
>
>
> If that means 25% of one gender and 75% of another then fine, they are all
> selected on their merits.
>
>
>
> Anything short of selection based on merits (ie: Gender) opens an entirely
> different can. Ie: is there someone of
> Asian/African/Australia/aboriginal/TSI background? No? wow wouldn’t that be
> racist?
>
>
>
> Suddenly people talk gender and its acceptable.
>
>
>
> I believe that IT, Along with many industries still has a long way to go
> to be fully inclusive of all participants, regardless of
> race/religion/gender/background – but selection based on gender,
> percentages, inclusion policies is _*not*_ the way to get the recognition
> that some hard-working people deserve. If I worked in a female dominated
> industry (teaching, midwifery, childcare, etc) I would want to be selected
> for something like this based on my work ethics, input, and recognition –
> not simply to be the token male.
>
>
>
> We as an industry – and as humans – should be there to support our
> colleagues when they get targeted and victimised, however I also agree that
> if an accusation is made, and reported to the ‘other company’ then it
> should also be accompanied with proof – too often we are seeing the #MeToo
> being used as a weapon to destroy people – predominately men – without a
> shread of proof.
>
>
>
> I do however agree that an ausnog post is not the correct forum for that
> proof and that is best handled between the direct parties – it was
> suggested at the CEO level – this protects the victim, the **Alleged** (I
> use this term deliberately as until it is proof we have due process –
> innocent until PROVEN guilty – same as the media reporting on items that
> are before the courts.) aggressor until a chain of evidence can be
> established and only then actioned upon.
>
>
>
> Im sure I will cop back-lash on this, virtue signalling and all…
>
>
>
> James Troy
>
> Senior Systems Administration
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AusNOG  *On Behalf Of *dusty
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:33 PM
> *To:* Matthew Young 
> *Cc:* aus...@ausnog.net List 
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 14:59, Matthew Young  wrote:
>
> “While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the
> Ausnog board.”
>
> People should be appointed based on their merits, not based on their
> gender.
>
>
>
> Show me a man with a bias-free recruitment/selection process, and I’ll
> show you a deluded patriarchal fool.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Paul
> Wilkins
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 October 2018 5:50 PM
> *To:* aus...@ausnog.net List 
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.
>
>
>
> "Seems you've never been to a meeting."
>
>
>
> The verity of this statement cannot be overexaggerated.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 17:42, Mark Smith  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:50, Paul Wilkins 
> wrote:
> >
> > The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point.
> >
> > While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the
> Ausnog board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and they're
> all men. I'm wondering who is doing the appointing.
> >
>
> Seems you've never been to a meeting. That's covered in the closing
> session.
>
>
>
> > That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives rise
> to an unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Paul Wilkins
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:10, David Hughes  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing it to our
> attention.
> >>
> >> This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this nature
> very seriously.  We hope to discuss this further with those concerned in an
> attempt to establish specifics, while maintaining the confidentiality of
> all parties.  If there are any actionable details we will offer assistance
> to the 

Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[James Troy]

Ive long been a member of Ausnog mailing list, I find the information that is 
often posted here to be quite valuable; I have also been watching this thread 
with a particular keen interest.

 

Particularly as I was waiting to see how long the #MeToo and ‘gender diversity’ 
was going to get pushed.

 

Firstly let me say, any assault, sexual or otherwise is not acceptable. Yes IT 
as an industry is over-represented by males; however to second you start to 
include someone in something like a board selection based solely on their 
genitalia is the second you loose any credibility. I wholy subscribe to the 
idea of the ‘best person for the job’

 

If that means 25% of one gender and 75% of another then fine, they are all 
selected on their merits.

 

Anything short of selection based on merits (ie: Gender) opens an entirely 
different can. Ie: is there someone of Asian/African/Australia/aboriginal/TSI 
background? No? wow wouldn’t that be racist?

 

Suddenly people talk gender and its acceptable.

 

I believe that IT, Along with many industries still has a long way to go to be 
fully inclusive of all participants, regardless of 
race/religion/gender/background – but selection based on gender, percentages, 
inclusion policies is _not_ the way to get the recognition that some 
hard-working people deserve. If I worked in a female dominated industry 
(teaching, midwifery, childcare, etc) I would want to be selected for something 
like this based on my work ethics, input, and recognition – not simply to be 
the token male. 

 

We as an industry – and as humans – should be there to support our colleagues 
when they get targeted and victimised, however I also agree that if an 
accusation is made, and reported to the ‘other company’ then it should also be 
accompanied with proof – too often we are seeing the #MeToo being used as a 
weapon to destroy people – predominately men – without a shread of proof.

 

I do however agree that an ausnog post is not the correct forum for that proof 
and that is best handled between the direct parties – it was suggested at the 
CEO level – this protects the victim, the *Alleged* (I use this term 
deliberately as until it is proof we have due process – innocent until PROVEN 
guilty – same as the media reporting on items that are before the courts.) 
aggressor until a chain of evidence can be established and only then actioned 
upon.

 

Im sure I will cop back-lash on this, virtue signalling and all…

 


James Troy

Senior Systems Administration


 


 

 

 

 

 


 

 

 

From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of dusty
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:33 PM
To: Matthew Young 
Cc: aus...@ausnog.net List 
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

 

 

 

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 14:59, Matthew Young mailto:m...@mattyoung.net.au> > wrote:

“While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the 
Ausnog board.” 

People should be appointed based on their merits, not based on their gender.

 

Show me a man with a bias-free recruitment/selection process, and I’ll show you 
a deluded patriarchal fool.

 

 

 

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net 
 ] On Behalf Of Paul Wilkins
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2018 5:50 PM
To: aus...@ausnog.net   List mailto:aus...@ausnog.net> >
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

 

"Seems you've never been to a meeting."

 

The verity of this statement cannot be overexaggerated.

 

Kind regards

   


Paul Wilkins

 

 

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 17:42, Mark Smith mailto:markzzzsm...@gmail.com> > wrote:

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:50, Paul Wilkins mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>
> The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point.
>
> While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the 
> Ausnog board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and they're all 
> men. I'm wondering who is doing the appointing.
>

Seems you've never been to a meeting. That's covered in the closing session.



> That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives rise to an 
> unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:10, David Hughes   > wrote:
>>
>>
>> We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing it to our 
>> attention.
>>
>> This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this nature very 
>> seriously.  We hope to discuss this further with those concerned in an 
>> attempt to establish specifics, while maintaining the confidentiality of all 
>> parties.  If there are any actionable details we will offer assistance to 
>> the party involved if they wish to escalate the matter further.
>>
>> Even though issues regarding the behaviour of delegates at our events have 
>> never been 

Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

[Dave Browning]

Hi Jen,

Looks like your front line aren’t aware of the issues, see response below;
--
Hi,
 
Google does not recommend using ping time to google.com [or any other Google 
service, including Google Public DNS, or 8.8.8.8] as a measure of the actual 
performance of Google services for the following reasons:
 
- Google services, including Google Public DNS, are not designed as ICMP 
network testing services
- Many large networks, including Google, rate limit ICMP
- ICMP ping or traceroute traffic can be discarded or delayed en-route to Google
- The termination point of the TCP/UDP session with Google may not represent 
the full network path between a user and the service
- User requests may be served from locations closer to or farther from the user 
than the destination of the initial TCP termination point
- Even a complete lack of response to ICMP traffic may not reflect any sort of 
issue with Google service performance.
 
Please do let us know if you actually getting complaints from your users about 
accessing Google services.
 
FYI, you may also want to read this about icmp and traceroutes to Google
https://peering.google.com/#/learn-more/faq
 
 
Best Regards,
 
Salman Nasir Khan | Network Operations Center (AS15169) | 
mailto:n...@google.com | +1-855-4664-638
--

Cheers,

Dave Browning | Senior Network Engineer
P 1300 791 678 D 07 3708 0008
Level 1, 12 Railway Tce, Milton QLD 4064

From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Jen Linkova
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:04 PM
To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

Just to let everyone know - the problem is being investigated right now.


On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 10:42 AM Dave Browning  
wrote:
All,

I am seeing high latency into Google's network from both our network and also 
my home network. Is everyone else seeing this? Examples are 8.8.8.8 and 
35.185.160.2
We direct peer with them. Looks as if my home ISP do too.

Latency seems to jump at the same spot from both networks, between 
108.170.247.75 and 216.239.35.142 (both Google IPs).
Have sent NOC a message, but just be interested to see if others are affected.

Cheers,

Dave Browning | Senior Network Engineer
P 1300 791 678 D 07 3708 0008
Level 1, 12 Railway Tce, Milton QLD 4064
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[AusNOG] Peering contact for AWS

[Damian Ivereigh]

Hi all,

Is there anyone from AWS on list who can put me in touch with the 
peering guys at AWS for Sydney to organise some bi-lateral peering. I 
have emailed the entry in peeringdb (peer...@amazon.com) several times 
over the last few weeks with no response.


Thanks

Damian



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Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[dusty]

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 14:59, Matthew Young  wrote:

> “While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the
> Ausnog board.”
>
> People should be appointed based on their merits, not based on their
> gender.
>

Show me a man with a bias-free recruitment/selection process, and I’ll show
you a deluded patriarchal fool.



*From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Paul
> Wilkins
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 October 2018 5:50 PM
> *To:* aus...@ausnog.net List 
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.
>
>
>
> "Seems you've never been to a meeting."
>
>
>
> The verity of this statement cannot be overexaggerated.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 17:42, Mark Smith  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:50, Paul Wilkins 
> wrote:
> >
> > The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point.
> >
> > While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the
> Ausnog board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and they're
> all men. I'm wondering who is doing the appointing.
> >
>
> Seems you've never been to a meeting. That's covered in the closing
> session.
>
>
>
> > That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives rise
> to an unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Paul Wilkins
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:10, David Hughes  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing it to our
> attention.
> >>
> >> This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this nature
> very seriously.  We hope to discuss this further with those concerned in an
> attempt to establish specifics, while maintaining the confidentiality of
> all parties.  If there are any actionable details we will offer assistance
> to the party involved if they wish to escalate the matter further.
> >>
> >> Even though issues regarding the behaviour of delegates at our events
> have never been raised with us, we want our attendees to feel safe and
> supported.  We have commenced a review of policies and processes from other
> organisations and will work with our solicitors to draft a policy suitable
> for AusNOG events and mailing lists.
> >>
> >> The organisers of AusNOG believe that behaviour of this nature is not
> acceptable at any conference, function, or workplace in our industry.  We
> will attempt to engage the leaders of our industry to push for a broader
> solution.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> David - on behalf of the AusNOG Board
> >> ...
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Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

[Jen Linkova]

Just to let everyone know - the problem is being investigated right now.


On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 10:42 AM Dave Browning  wrote:

> All,
>
> I am seeing high latency into Google's network from both our network and
> also my home network. Is everyone else seeing this? Examples are 8.8.8.8
> and 35.185.160.2
> We direct peer with them. Looks as if my home ISP do too.
>
> Latency seems to jump at the same spot from both networks, between
> 108.170.247.75 and 216.239.35.142 (both Google IPs).
> Have sent NOC a message, but just be interested to see if others are
> affected.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave Browning | Senior Network Engineer
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> Level 1, 12 Railway Tce, Milton QLD 4064
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Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Matthew Young]

“While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the 
Ausnog board.”

People should be appointed based on their merits, not based on their gender.

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Paul Wilkins
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2018 5:50 PM
To: aus...@ausnog.net List 
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

"Seems you've never been to a meeting."

The verity of this statement cannot be overexaggerated.

Kind regards
[https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif]

Paul Wilkins


On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 17:42, Mark Smith 
mailto:markzzzsm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:50, Paul Wilkins 
mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point.
>
> While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the 
> Ausnog board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and they're all 
> men. I'm wondering who is doing the appointing.
>

Seems you've never been to a meeting. That's covered in the closing session.



> That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives rise to an 
> unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:10, David Hughes 
> mailto:da...@hughes.com.au>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing it to our 
>> attention.
>>
>> This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this nature very 
>> seriously.  We hope to discuss this further with those concerned in an 
>> attempt to establish specifics, while maintaining the confidentiality of all 
>> parties.  If there are any actionable details we will offer assistance to 
>> the party involved if they wish to escalate the matter further.
>>
>> Even though issues regarding the behaviour of delegates at our events have 
>> never been raised with us, we want our attendees to feel safe and supported. 
>>  We have commenced a review of policies and processes from other 
>> organisations and will work with our solicitors to draft a policy suitable 
>> for AusNOG events and mailing lists.
>>
>> The organisers of AusNOG believe that behaviour of this nature is not 
>> acceptable at any conference, function, or workplace in our industry.  We 
>> will attempt to engage the leaders of our industry to push for a broader 
>> solution.
>>
>>
>>
>> David - on behalf of the AusNOG Board
>> ...
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Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Paul Wilkins]

David,
The reason you've not heard of these concerns before is, d'uh, there is no
mechanism to address the issue. And let's be clear,

1) a Stop Thread was issued to refuse the issue a forum.

2) you're only hearing about it now because Bevan passed the information
on, and  so have no choice but to address the concerns.

3) boilerplate governance blandishments aside, I look forward to see how
the boys' club goes about instituting a code of conduct to exclude gender
bias with extra dollops of delicious irony sauce.

If this sounds harsh, you had the opportunity to accept responsibility.
Instead, you referred Bevan to the police, which was an entirely
inappropriate abdication of yours and the board's personal/fiduciary/moral
responsibility.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins


On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 17:49, Paul Wilkins  wrote:

> "Seems you've never been to a meeting."
>
> The verity of this statement cannot be overexaggerated.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 17:42, Mark Smith  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:50, Paul Wilkins 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point.
>> >
>> > While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on
>> the Ausnog board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and
>> they're all men. I'm wondering who is doing the appointing.
>> >
>>
>> Seems you've never been to a meeting. That's covered in the closing
>> session.
>>
>>
>>
>> > That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives rise
>> to an unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club.
>> >
>> > Kind regards
>> >
>> > Paul Wilkins
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:10, David Hughes  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing it to our
>> attention.
>> >>
>> >> This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this nature
>> very seriously.  We hope to discuss this further with those concerned in an
>> attempt to establish specifics, while maintaining the confidentiality of
>> all parties.  If there are any actionable details we will offer assistance
>> to the party involved if they wish to escalate the matter further.
>> >>
>> >> Even though issues regarding the behaviour of delegates at our events
>> have never been raised with us, we want our attendees to feel safe and
>> supported.  We have commenced a review of policies and processes from other
>> organisations and will work with our solicitors to draft a policy suitable
>> for AusNOG events and mailing lists.
>> >>
>> >> The organisers of AusNOG believe that behaviour of this nature is not
>> acceptable at any conference, function, or workplace in our industry.  We
>> will attempt to engage the leaders of our industry to push for a broader
>> solution.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> David - on behalf of the AusNOG Board
>> >> ...
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Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

[Jim Woodward]

Hi All,

 

Seeing same sort of behaviour from my VPS in Sydney and my local connection, 
doesn’t affect the local www.google.com   though.

 

Also seeing a bunch of unreachables in the path from both sites, This does seem 
to happen with the Google DNS servers periodically, doesn’t seem to affect all 
of Google Australia though.

 

 

Traceroute to 8.8.8.8 from my Vultr VPS in Sydney:

 

traceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets

1  * * *

2  * * *

3  * * *

4  as15169.sydney.megaport.com (103.26.68.56)  0.316 ms  0.524 ms  0.394 ms

5  108.170.247.43 (108.170.247.43)  1.468 ms 108.170.247.58 (108.170.247.58)  
0.913 ms 108.170.247.43 (108.170.247.43)  1.202 ms

6  216.239.40.31 (216.239.40.31)  124.484 ms 216.239.35.142 (216.239.35.142)  
102.844 ms 216.239.40.31 (216.239.40.31)  124.309 ms

7  216.239.57.201 (216.239.57.201)  157.262 ms 216.239.58.11 (216.239.58.11)  
128.282 ms 216.239.57.247 (216.239.57.247)  129.509 ms

8  209.85.249.144 (209.85.249.144)  128.884 ms 216.239.46.229 (216.239.46.229)  
128.053 ms 108.170.235.102 (108.170.235.102)  127.908 ms

9  209.85.249.207 (209.85.249.207)  132.261 ms 209.85.247.17 (209.85.247.17)  
136.176 ms 74.125.253.85 (74.125.253.85)  129.506 ms

10  * * *

11  * * *

12  * * *

13  * * *

14  * * *

15  * * *

16  * * *

17  * * *

18  * * google-public-dns-a.google.com (8.8.8.8)  128.122 ms

 

Traceroute to www.google.com   from same address: 

 

traceroute to www.google.com (172.217.25.132), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets

1  * * *

2  103.43.72.193 (103.43.72.193)  14.605 ms  14.628 ms  14.588 ms

3  * * *

4  as15169.sydney.megaport.com (103.26.68.56)  1.228 ms  0.367 ms  0.400 ms

5  108.170.247.81 (108.170.247.81)  0.936 ms  0.922 ms  0.907 ms

6  74.125.37.155 (74.125.37.155)  0.754 ms 74.125.37.201 (74.125.37.201)  0.687 
ms  0.641 ms

7  syd15s03-in-f4.1e100.net (172.217.25.132)  0.637 ms  0.730 ms  0.722 ms

 

 

Traceroute to 8.8.8.8 from my Mint Telecom Service:

 

traceroute to google-public-dns-a.google.com (8.8.8.8), 30 hops max, 60 byte 
packets

1  aruma-gw (10.1.36.1)  0.229 ms  0.250 ms  0.257 ms

2  241.24.138.202.sta.wbroadband.net.au (202.138.24.241)  11.252 ms  11.180 ms  
11.088 ms

3  34.32-26-134-203-net27.akamaitechnologies.mel.iprimus.net.au (203.134.26.34) 
 11.478 ms ae2-14.per01.melbvoc.vic.m2core.net.au (203.134.26.33)  11.432 ms 
34.32-26-134-203-net27.akamaitechnologies.mel.iprimus.net.au (203.134.26.34)  
12.107 ms

4  ae4-20.per03.alexvoc.nsw.m2core.net.au (203.134.37.66)  23.446 ms  23.406 ms 
ae0.per03.alexvoc.nsw.m2core.net.au (203.134.37.73)  23.681 ms

5  as15169.per03.alexvoc.nsw.m2core.net.au (203.134.8.125)  23.460 ms  23.698 
ms  23.653 ms

6  108.170.247.74 (108.170.247.74)  24.557 ms 108.170.247.43 (108.170.247.43)  
23.382 ms 108.170.247.75 (108.170.247.75)  26.309 ms

7  216.239.35.226 (216.239.35.226)  121.129 ms 216.239.40.33 (216.239.40.33)  
125.948 ms 216.239.35.226 (216.239.35.226)  119.710 ms

8  216.239.57.247 (216.239.57.247)  150.878 ms 216.239.57.187 (216.239.57.187)  
150.898 ms  153.229 ms

9  209.85.245.48 (209.85.245.48)  161.918 ms 216.239.51.213 (216.239.51.213)  
151.298 ms 74.125.252.142 (74.125.252.142)  151.293 ms

10  216.239.54.95 (216.239.54.95)  151.393 ms * *

11  * * *

12  * * *

13  * * *

14  * * *

15  * * *

16  * * *

17  * * *

18  * * *

19  * google-public-dns-a.google.com (8.8.8.8)  151.035 ms *

 

Traceroute from Mint Telecom service to www.google.com:

 

traceroute to www.google.com (172.217.25.164), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets

1  aruma-gw (10.1.36.1)  0.221 ms  0.267 ms  0.268 ms

2  241.24.138.202.sta.wbroadband.net.au (202.138.24.241)  11.896 ms  11.861 ms  
11.809 ms

3  34.32-26-134-203-net27.akamaitechnologies.mel.iprimus.net.au (203.134.26.34) 
 12.039 ms  12.023 ms ae2-14.per01.melbvoc.vic.m2core.net.au (203.134.26.33)  
12.036 ms

4  ae0.per03.alexvoc.nsw.m2core.net.au (203.134.37.73)  23.534 ms 
ae4-20.per03.alexvoc.nsw.m2core.net.au (203.134.37.66)  23.176 ms 
ae0.per03.alexvoc.nsw.m2core.net.au (203.134.37.73)  23.425 ms

5  as15169.per03.alexvoc.nsw.m2core.net.au (203.134.8.125)  23.480 ms  23.335 
ms  23.243 ms

6  108.170.247.33 (108.170.247.33)  24.347 ms 108.170.247.65 (108.170.247.65)  
23.722 ms 108.170.247.33 (108.170.247.33)  24.876 ms

7  108.170.235.193 (108.170.235.193)  23.614 ms  23.417 ms 108.170.235.195 
(108.170.235.195)  23.066 ms

8  syd09s13-in-f4.1e100.net (172.217.25.164)  23.860 ms  24.268 ms  24.251 ms

 

 

From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Shan
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 10:50 AM
Cc: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

 



 

Latency and packet loss…

 

 

 





On 3 Oct 2018, at 10:41 am, Dave Browning mailto:d...@sentrian.com.au> > wrote:

 

All,

I am seeing high latency into Google's network from both our network and also 
my home network. Is everyone else seeing this? Examples are 8.8.8.8 and 
35.185.160.2
We direct 

Re: [AusNOG] Telstra NOC contact (IPv6 fun again)?

[Russell Langton]

Hi Jen,

I'll shoot you a direct email to resolve.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 10:35 AM Jen Linkova  wrote:

> It looks like IPv6 connectivity to www.telstra.com.au is broken (for
> *some* clients) in quite amusing way...Looking for right contact to
> report and troubleshoot it.
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Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

[Shan]

Latency and packet loss…




> On 3 Oct 2018, at 10:41 am, Dave Browning  wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> I am seeing high latency into Google's network from both our network and also 
> my home network. Is everyone else seeing this? Examples are 8.8.8.8 and 
> 35.185.160.2
> We direct peer with them. Looks as if my home ISP do too.
> 
> Latency seems to jump at the same spot from both networks, between 
> 108.170.247.75 and 216.239.35.142 (both Google IPs).
> Have sent NOC a message, but just be interested to see if others are affected.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave Browning | Senior Network Engineer
> P 1300 791 678 D 07 3708 0008
> Level 1, 12 Railway Tce, Milton QLD 4064
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Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

[Bradley Silverman]

Hell Cali, same from our networks.

Tracing route to google-public-dns-a.google.com [8.8.8.8]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1<1 ms<1 ms<1 ms  10.10.1.254
  2 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms  103.252.153.206
  3 1 ms 1 ms 3 ms  10ge-cor02.mel01.as45638.net.au
[103.252.153.250]
  413 ms15 ms13 ms  intercap-mel.syd01.as45638.net.au
[103.252.153.218]
  514 ms14 ms14 ms  15169.syd.equinix.com [45.127.172.73]
  614 ms14 ms14 ms  108.170.247.90
  7   116 ms   116 ms   116 ms  216.239.35.142
  8   142 ms   142 ms   142 ms  216.239.57.247
  9   141 ms   141 ms   141 ms  108.170.233.191
[image: VentraIP Australia logo]


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On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 10:48 AM Ross Wheeler  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, 3 Oct 2018, Dave Browning wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > I am seeing high latency into Google's network from both our network and
> also my home network. Is everyone else seeing this? Examples are 8.8.8.8
> and 35.185.160.2
> > We direct peer with them. Looks as if my home ISP do too.
> >
> > Latency seems to jump at the same spot from both networks, between
> 108.170.247.75 and 216.239.35.142 (both Google IPs).
> > Have sent NOC a message, but just be interested to see if others are
> affected.
>
> I know traceroute isn't the definitive test, but here's the end of a
> traceroute to 8.8.8.8 from my primary nameserver:
>
>   5  BE-101.bdr02.syd03.nsw.VOCUS.net.au (114.31.192.37)  2.685 ms
>   6  as15169.bdr02.syd03.nsw.VOCUS.net.au (114.31.201.18)  1.824 ms
>   7  108.170.247.74 (108.170.247.74)  2.073 ms
>   8  216.239.40.33 (216.239.40.33)  109.602 ms
>   9  216.239.57.187 (216.239.57.187)  129.322 ms
> 10  72.14.233.210 (72.14.233.210)  128.783 ms
> 11  209.85.248.153 (209.85.248.153)  130.732 ms
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Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

[Florian Valette]

Hi,

Same for us: http://syd.smokeping.ovh.net/smokeping?target=USA.AS15169-2

Regards,

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From: AusNOG  on behalf of Nathan Brookfield 

Date: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 at 10:47 am
To: Dave Browning 
Cc: "ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" 
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169


Traceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 64 hops max.

1 10.0.1.254 (10.0.1.254) time=19 ms

2 lns01.syd01.nsw.simtronic.net.au 
(203.31.115.65) time=4 ms

3 203.31.115.138 (203.31.115.138) time=16 ms

4 15169.syd.equinix.com (45.127.172.73) time=15 ms

5 108.170.247.58 (108.170.247.58) time=15 ms

6 216.239.40.33 (216.239.40.33) time=202 ms

7 216.239.57.201 (216.239.57.201) time=202 ms

8 209.85.249.144 (209.85.249.144) time=199 ms

9 209.85.253.11 (209.85.253.11) time=202 m



PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8)

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=0 ttl=47 time=276 ms

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=259 ms

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=2 ttl=47 time=204 ms

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=3 ttl=47 time=252 ms

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=4 ttl=47 time=300 ms

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=5 ttl=47 time=246 ms

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=6 ttl=47 time=144 ms

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=7 ttl=47 time=240 ms

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=8 ttl=47 time=199 ms

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=9 ttl=47 time=233 ms

--- 8.8.8.8 ping statistics ---

10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, lost 0.0 %

Nathan Brookfield
Chief Executive Officer

Simtronic Technologies Pty Ltd
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On 3 Oct 2018, at 10:42, Dave Browning 
mailto:d...@sentrian.com.au>> wrote:
All,

I am seeing high latency into Google's network from both our network and also 
my home network. Is everyone else seeing this? Examples are 8.8.8.8 and 
35.185.160.2
We direct peer with them. Looks as if my home ISP do too.

Latency seems to jump at the same spot from both networks, between 
108.170.247.75 and 216.239.35.142 (both Google IPs).
Have sent NOC a message, but just be interested to see if others are affected.

Cheers,

Dave Browning | Senior Network Engineer
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Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

[Ross Wheeler]

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018, Dave Browning wrote:


All,

I am seeing high latency into Google's network from both our network and also 
my home network. Is everyone else seeing this? Examples are 8.8.8.8 and 
35.185.160.2
We direct peer with them. Looks as if my home ISP do too.

Latency seems to jump at the same spot from both networks, between 
108.170.247.75 and 216.239.35.142 (both Google IPs).
Have sent NOC a message, but just be interested to see if others are affected.


I know traceroute isn't the definitive test, but here's the end of a 
traceroute to 8.8.8.8 from my primary nameserver:


 5  BE-101.bdr02.syd03.nsw.VOCUS.net.au (114.31.192.37)  2.685 ms
 6  as15169.bdr02.syd03.nsw.VOCUS.net.au (114.31.201.18)  1.824 ms
 7  108.170.247.74 (108.170.247.74)  2.073 ms
 8  216.239.40.33 (216.239.40.33)  109.602 ms
 9  216.239.57.187 (216.239.57.187)  129.322 ms
10  72.14.233.210 (72.14.233.210)  128.783 ms
11  209.85.248.153 (209.85.248.153)  130.732 ms

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Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

[Nathan Brookfield]

Traceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 64 hops max.

1 10.0.1.254 (10.0.1.254) time=19 ms

2 lns01.syd01.nsw.simtronic.net.au 
(203.31.115.65) time=4 ms

3 203.31.115.138 (203.31.115.138) time=16 ms

4 15169.syd.equinix.com (45.127.172.73) time=15 ms

5 108.170.247.58 (108.170.247.58) time=15 ms

6 216.239.40.33 (216.239.40.33) time=202 ms

7 216.239.57.201 (216.239.57.201) time=202 ms

8 209.85.249.144 (209.85.249.144) time=199 ms

9 209.85.253.11 (209.85.253.11) time=202 m


PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8)

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=0 ttl=47 time=276 ms

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=259 ms

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=2 ttl=47 time=204 ms

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=3 ttl=47 time=252 ms

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=4 ttl=47 time=300 ms

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=5 ttl=47 time=246 ms

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=6 ttl=47 time=144 ms

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=7 ttl=47 time=240 ms

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=8 ttl=47 time=199 ms

44 bytes from 8.8.8.8 : icmp_seq=9 ttl=47 time=233 ms

--- 8.8.8.8 ping statistics ---

10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, lost 0.0 %

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On 3 Oct 2018, at 10:42, Dave Browning 
mailto:d...@sentrian.com.au>> wrote:

All,

I am seeing high latency into Google's network from both our network and also 
my home network. Is everyone else seeing this? Examples are 8.8.8.8 and 
35.185.160.2
We direct peer with them. Looks as if my home ISP do too.

Latency seems to jump at the same spot from both networks, between 
108.170.247.75 and 216.239.35.142 (both Google IPs).
Have sent NOC a message, but just be interested to see if others are affected.

Cheers,

Dave Browning | Senior Network Engineer
P 1300 791 678 D 07 3708 0008
Level 1, 12 Railway Tce, Milton QLD 4064
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Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

[Nick Stallman]

Yep same from Servers Australia and Aussie Broadband. ~127ms and ~135ms 
respectively.


Both sets of traces are hopping over to the Google network domestically 
(~0.7ms), and then it must be going offshore from there.



On 03/10/18 10:41, Dave Browning wrote:

All,

I am seeing high latency into Google's network from both our network and also 
my home network. Is everyone else seeing this? Examples are 8.8.8.8 and 
35.185.160.2
We direct peer with them. Looks as if my home ISP do too.

Latency seems to jump at the same spot from both networks, between 
108.170.247.75 and 216.239.35.142 (both Google IPs).
Have sent NOC a message, but just be interested to see if others are affected.

Cheers,

Dave Browning | Senior Network Engineer
P 1300 791 678 D 07 3708 0008
Level 1, 12 Railway Tce, Milton QLD 4064
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Re: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

[Brad Evans]

Seeing the same. Likely shifted the traffic to another PoP temporarily.


-Original Message-
From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Dave Browning
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 10:42
To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: [AusNOG] High Latency to AS15169

All,

I am seeing high latency into Google's network from both our network and also 
my home network. Is everyone else seeing this? Examples are 8.8.8.8 and 
35.185.160.2 We direct peer with them. Looks as if my home ISP do too.

Latency seems to jump at the same spot from both networks, between 
108.170.247.75 and 216.239.35.142 (both Google IPs).
Have sent NOC a message, but just be interested to see if others are affected.

Cheers,

Dave Browning | Senior Network Engineer
P 1300 791 678 D 07 3708 0008
Level 1, 12 Railway Tce, Milton QLD 4064 
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[AusNOG] Telstra NOC contact (IPv6 fun again)?

[Jen Linkova]

It looks like IPv6 connectivity to www.telstra.com.au is broken (for
*some* clients) in quite amusing way...Looking for right contact to
report and troubleshoot it.

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Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Paul Wilkins]

"Seems you've never been to a meeting."

The verity of this statement cannot be overexaggerated.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins


On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 17:42, Mark Smith  wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:50, Paul Wilkins 
> wrote:
> >
> > The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point.
> >
> > While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the
> Ausnog board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and they're
> all men. I'm wondering who is doing the appointing.
> >
>
> Seems you've never been to a meeting. That's covered in the closing
> session.
>
>
>
> > That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives rise
> to an unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Paul Wilkins
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:10, David Hughes  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing it to our
> attention.
> >>
> >> This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this nature
> very seriously.  We hope to discuss this further with those concerned in an
> attempt to establish specifics, while maintaining the confidentiality of
> all parties.  If there are any actionable details we will offer assistance
> to the party involved if they wish to escalate the matter further.
> >>
> >> Even though issues regarding the behaviour of delegates at our events
> have never been raised with us, we want our attendees to feel safe and
> supported.  We have commenced a review of policies and processes from other
> organisations and will work with our solicitors to draft a policy suitable
> for AusNOG events and mailing lists.
> >>
> >> The organisers of AusNOG believe that behaviour of this nature is not
> acceptable at any conference, function, or workplace in our industry.  We
> will attempt to engage the leaders of our industry to push for a broader
> solution.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> David - on behalf of the AusNOG Board
> >> ...
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Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Paul Wilkins]

Thanks for that Nathan.

Though I have to disagree, and refer you to the Sex Discrimination Act,
where you can't structurally exclude women from engaging in public life.
Private Corporation regardless.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins


On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 17:11, Nathan Brookfield <
nathan.brookfi...@simtronic.com.au> wrote:

> As announced at the conference, the AUSNOG Pty Ltd will soon no longer
> exist and a new non for profit association will be formed with the members
> of this list being members of the association.
>
>
>
> This will involve a constitution and the directors being responsible to
> the members and I would hope the election of a board by the membership, if
> females nominate to be elected to the board then we can only hope that they
> are elected.
>
>
>
> The perspective of a female board member, maybe more than one would I’m
> sure be welcomed but while AUSNOG is a company, they can do what they want,
> how they want and with the directors of the for profit company they choose.
>
>
>
> Kindest Regards,
>
> Nathan Brookfield (VK2NAB)
>
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> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.
>
>
>
> The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point.
>
> While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the
> Ausnog board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and they're
> all men. I'm wondering who is doing the appointing.
>
> That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives rise to
> an unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:10, David Hughes  wrote:
>
>
> We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing it to our
> attention.
>
> This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this nature very
> seriously.  We hope to discuss this further with those concerned in an
> attempt to establish specifics, while maintaining the confidentiality of
> all parties.  If there are any actionable details we will offer assistance
> to the party involved if they wish to escalate the matter further.
>
> Even though issues regarding the behaviour of delegates at our events have
> never been raised with us, we want our attendees to feel safe and
> supported.  We have commenced a review of policies and processes from other
> organisations and will work with our solicitors to draft a policy suitable
> for AusNOG events and mailing lists.
>
> The organisers of AusNOG believe that behaviour of this nature is not
> acceptable at any conference, function, or workplace in our industry.  We
> will attempt to engage the leaders of our industry to push for a broader
> solution.
>
>
>
> David - on behalf of the AusNOG Board
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Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Mark Smith]

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 17:41, Mark Smith  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:50, Paul Wilkins  wrote:
> >
> > The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point.
> >
> > While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the 
> > Ausnog board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and they're 
> > all men. I'm wondering who is doing the appointing.
> >
>
> Seems you've never been to a meeting. That's covered in the closing session.
>

*conference

>
>
> > That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives rise to 
> > an unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Paul Wilkins
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:10, David Hughes  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing it to our 
> >> attention.
> >>
> >> This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this nature very 
> >> seriously.  We hope to discuss this further with those concerned in an 
> >> attempt to establish specifics, while maintaining the confidentiality of 
> >> all parties.  If there are any actionable details we will offer assistance 
> >> to the party involved if they wish to escalate the matter further.
> >>
> >> Even though issues regarding the behaviour of delegates at our events have 
> >> never been raised with us, we want our attendees to feel safe and 
> >> supported.  We have commenced a review of policies and processes from 
> >> other organisations and will work with our solicitors to draft a policy 
> >> suitable for AusNOG events and mailing lists.
> >>
> >> The organisers of AusNOG believe that behaviour of this nature is not 
> >> acceptable at any conference, function, or workplace in our industry.  We 
> >> will attempt to engage the leaders of our industry to push for a broader 
> >> solution.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> David - on behalf of the AusNOG Board
> >> ...
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Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Mark Smith]

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:50, Paul Wilkins  wrote:
>
> The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point.
>
> While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the 
> Ausnog board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and they're all 
> men. I'm wondering who is doing the appointing.
>

Seems you've never been to a meeting. That's covered in the closing session.



> That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives rise to an 
> unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:10, David Hughes  wrote:
>>
>>
>> We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing it to our 
>> attention.
>>
>> This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this nature very 
>> seriously.  We hope to discuss this further with those concerned in an 
>> attempt to establish specifics, while maintaining the confidentiality of all 
>> parties.  If there are any actionable details we will offer assistance to 
>> the party involved if they wish to escalate the matter further.
>>
>> Even though issues regarding the behaviour of delegates at our events have 
>> never been raised with us, we want our attendees to feel safe and supported. 
>>  We have commenced a review of policies and processes from other 
>> organisations and will work with our solicitors to draft a policy suitable 
>> for AusNOG events and mailing lists.
>>
>> The organisers of AusNOG believe that behaviour of this nature is not 
>> acceptable at any conference, function, or workplace in our industry.  We 
>> will attempt to engage the leaders of our industry to push for a broader 
>> solution.
>>
>>
>>
>> David - on behalf of the AusNOG Board
>> ...
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Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Nathan Brookfield]

As announced at the conference, the AUSNOG Pty Ltd will soon no longer exist 
and a new non for profit association will be formed with the members of this 
list being members of the association.

This will involve a constitution and the directors being responsible to the 
members and I would hope the election of a board by the membership, if females 
nominate to be elected to the board then we can only hope that they are elected.

The perspective of a female board member, maybe more than one would I’m sure be 
welcomed but while AUSNOG is a company, they can do what they want, how they 
want and with the directors of the for profit company they choose.

Kindest Regards,
Nathan Brookfield (VK2NAB)

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From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Paul Wilkins
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2018 4:50 PM
To: aus...@ausnog.net List 
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point.

While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the Ausnog 
board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and they're all men. I'm 
wondering who is doing the appointing.

That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives rise to an 
unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins

On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:10, David Hughes 
mailto:da...@hughes.com.au>> wrote:

We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing it to our 
attention.

This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this nature very 
seriously.  We hope to discuss this further with those concerned in an attempt 
to establish specifics, while maintaining the confidentiality of all parties.  
If there are any actionable details we will offer assistance to the party 
involved if they wish to escalate the matter further.

Even though issues regarding the behaviour of delegates at our events have 
never been raised with us, we want our attendees to feel safe and supported.  
We have commenced a review of policies and processes from other organisations 
and will work with our solicitors to draft a policy suitable for AusNOG events 
and mailing lists.

The organisers of AusNOG believe that behaviour of this nature is not 
acceptable at any conference, function, or workplace in our industry.  We will 
attempt to engage the leaders of our industry to push for a broader solution.



David - on behalf of the AusNOG Board
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Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[Paul Wilkins]

The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point.

While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the
Ausnog board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and they're
all men. I'm wondering who is doing the appointing.

That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives rise to
an unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins


On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:10, David Hughes  wrote:

>
> We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing it to our
> attention.
>
> This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this nature very
> seriously.  We hope to discuss this further with those concerned in an
> attempt to establish specifics, while maintaining the confidentiality of
> all parties.  If there are any actionable details we will offer assistance
> to the party involved if they wish to escalate the matter further.
>
> Even though issues regarding the behaviour of delegates at our events have
> never been raised with us, we want our attendees to feel safe and
> supported.  We have commenced a review of policies and processes from other
> organisations and will work with our solicitors to draft a policy suitable
> for AusNOG events and mailing lists.
>
> The organisers of AusNOG believe that behaviour of this nature is not
> acceptable at any conference, function, or workplace in our industry.  We
> will attempt to engage the leaders of our industry to push for a broader
> solution.
>
>
>
> David - on behalf of the AusNOG Board
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[AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.

[David Hughes]

We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing it to our 
attention.

This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this nature very 
seriously.  We hope to discuss this further with those concerned in an attempt 
to establish specifics, while maintaining the confidentiality of all parties.  
If there are any actionable details we will offer assistance to the party 
involved if they wish to escalate the matter further.

Even though issues regarding the behaviour of delegates at our events have 
never been raised with us, we want our attendees to feel safe and supported.  
We have commenced a review of policies and processes from other organisations 
and will work with our solicitors to draft a policy suitable for AusNOG events 
and mailing lists.

The organisers of AusNOG believe that behaviour of this nature is not 
acceptable at any conference, function, or workplace in our industry.  We will 
attempt to engage the leaders of our industry to push for a broader solution.



David - on behalf of the AusNOG Board
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