[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese
Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread. The comments regarding the French influence are quite interesting. I have a number of Sao Miguel ancestors from the town of Vila Franca do Campo (I think that's correct) which translates to French Camp. Why would anyone name a town French Camp? By the way, there's a French Camp in CA started in the Gold Rush days named for a similar reason. Also, the comments about educated vs. uneducated folks holds true with my family. At least seven and possibly all eight of my great grandparents were illiterate - couldn't sign their name. Three of my four grandparents were the same way. Without the ability to see what it is they were saying, it's no surprise that the spoken word would easily drift away from the written word. Speaking of education, are my illiterate ancestors typical of all the islanders? Are some of the islands more educated than others? My ancestors all came from Sao Miguel, mostly the south-central part of the island and also the southeastern corner. David On Saturday, July 13, 2013 7:43:10 AM UTC-7, Herb wrote: Hi David I was born in Sao Miguel and still speak Portuguese with the Sao Miguel accent. It sounds absolutely nothing like Brazilian Portuguese pronunciation. Its like night and day David. In fact many Azoreans have great difficulty understanding a Brazilian speaker. I delved a bit into all of this when I took some linguistic courses while pursuing my undergarduate degree. I have always been fascinated by languages. Two facts are in evidence. One concerns the pronunciation of the Portuguese language as spoken in Sao Miguel where several peculiarities remind the listener of French. The two most striking of these characteristics are the pronunciation depicted by the letter u ( escudo, Furnas) as u in the French tu and the sound depicted in the French dipthongs ou and oi ( ouro, noite as the eu or French peu (foot), roughly the ur of New England, Burt. The French sounds in the Michalense ( Sao Miguel) pronunciation could be due to French influnce on parts of the island. The village known as Bretanha may have been settled by Bretons from Brittanny France, possibly ship wrecked sailors. At the western end of Sao Miguel there is a place called Ginetes, probably so called from a famous breed of jennets for which the island was noted. The name reminds of the French word jenet heather as in the English Royal House of Plantagenet ( ruled 1154-1399). The so called French u also exists in Corvo and parts of Madeira. The French u and eu are heard in Continental Portugal specifically in the region known as the Upper Alentejo where the families of many Azoreans originated. Some scholars say that if it had been washed up Breton sailors or fishermen or sailors or pirates at the end of the 16th century they would have Celtic speaking and not French speaking. So maybe in order to confirm or deny the theory of Breton influence we must examine the Celtic phonological system. Having said all that David, there is no concrete evidence that Frenchmen did so settle, much less influence the pronunciation of Michaelense. The matter of pronumnciation impinges on that of provenience. Lingustic evidence however, strongly suggests that the early setllers of Sao Miguel came from southern Portugal from the Algarve region and from Upper Alentejo and it is the pronunciation from those regions that influenced Michaelense. Still others hold to the French theory. I hope this helps at least partially explain the Portuguese language pronumciation as spoken in Sao Miguel. Herb On Friday, July 12, 2013 4:10:06 PM UTC-4, David Perry wrote: I'm starting to learn Portuguese and everything I see and hear doesn't sound at all like what I remember as a child while listening to my born in Sao Miguel father talking to his relatives and neighbors, all of whom spoke only Portuguese. For instance, I specifically remember very well two words: legs which my father pronounced pad-nish (doesn't sound at all like what I see in a dictionary - pernas) and chourico which my father pronounced shoo-dees. How different is the Sao Miguel Portuguese from Lisbon Portuguese? Are there a few general rules I can follow such as r's sound like d's or drop the ending vowel as in the two examples above? David -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese
Thank you, Herb, that very enlightening! MaryAnn On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Herb herbandj...@verizon.net wrote: Hi David I was born in Sao Miguel and still speak Portuguese with the Sao Miguel accent. It sounds absolutely nothing like Brazilian Portuguese pronunciation. Its like night and day David. In fact many Azoreans have great difficulty understanding a Brazilian speaker. I delved a bit into all of this when I took some linguistic courses while pursuing my undergarduate degree. I have always been fascinated by languages. Two facts are in evidence. One concerns the pronunciation of the Portuguese language as spoken in Sao Miguel where several peculiarities remind the listener of French. The two most striking of these characteristics are the pronunciation depicted by the letter u ( escudo, Furnas) as u in the French tu and the sound depicted in the French dipthongs ou and oi ( ouro, noite as the eu or French peu (foot), roughly the ur of New England, Burt. The French sounds in the Michalense ( Sao Miguel) pronunciation could be due to French influnce on parts of the island. The village known as Bretanha may have been settled by Bretons from Brittanny France, possibly ship wrecked sailors. At the western end of Sao Miguel there is a place called Ginetes, probably so called from a famous breed of jennets for which the island was noted. The name reminds of the French word jenet heather as in the English Royal House of Plantagenet ( ruled 1154-1399). The so called French u also exists in Corvo and parts of Madeira. The French u and eu are heard in Continental Portugal specifically in the region known as the Upper Alentejo where the families of many Azoreans originated. Some scholars say that if it had been washed up Breton sailors or fishermen or sailors or pirates at the end of the 16th century they would have Celtic speaking and not French speaking. So maybe in order to confirm or deny the theory of Breton influence we must examine the Celtic phonological system. Having said all that David, there is no concrete evidence that Frenchmen did so settle, much less influence the pronunciation of Michaelense. The matter of pronumnciation impinges on that of provenience. Lingustic evidence however, strongly suggests that the early setllers of Sao Miguel came from southern Portugal from the Algarve region and from Upper Alentejo and it is the pronunciation from those regions that influenced Michaelense. Still others hold to the French theory. I hope this helps at least partially explain the Portuguese language pronumciation as spoken in Sao Miguel. Herb On Friday, July 12, 2013 4:10:06 PM UTC-4, David Perry wrote: I'm starting to learn Portuguese and everything I see and hear doesn't sound at all like what I remember as a child while listening to my born in Sao Miguel father talking to his relatives and neighbors, all of whom spoke only Portuguese. For instance, I specifically remember very well two words: legs which my father pronounced pad-nish (doesn't sound at all like what I see in a dictionary - pernas) and chourico which my father pronounced shoo-dees. How different is the Sao Miguel Portuguese from Lisbon Portuguese? Are there a few general rules I can follow such as r's sound like d's or drop the ending vowel as in the two examples above? David -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- *MaryAnn Santos* Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator Department of Art and Art Professions NYU/Steinhardt 212.998.5702 m...@nyu.edu -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese
I recently spent a day in Sao Miguel on a cruise. I speak very little Portuguese, but growing up the Portuguese that I did learn was from my Sao Miguel relatives. I hired a tour guide, recommended by George Pacheco, and had a fabulous time. The point is: while practicing my Portuguese language skills on the tour Rui (the tour guide) said I spoke perfect Sao Miguel, pronounced like a native. What a compliment! Had a fabulous visit in Ponta Garca and found the house where my grandfather was born and lived. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.
My great grandmother died in 1953, when I was 5, said name was Caton. Filomema Polycena. Said her parents were from Flores. Her mother was pregnant with her, one of 14?. Went to Mass., then Ashland area of Bay Area because other family/friends lived there. Somewhere around turn of the century, both parents died of possibly influenza. All children given to family and or friends. Great Grandma was give to friend of Father's who lived in Mission San Jose. Married eventually to Manuel Alvernaz from Pico,changed name to Harvey. I don't know why, maybe sounded more Americanized.I was blessed to have known her. She had 4 children, 2 dying in a terrible home fire when stove exploded., and My Grandmother, Helen Evelyn Alvernaz Harvey, died in 1970, and Clarence Harvey,died in the late 1980s.My Portuguese side has connections deeply in Mission San Jose.Family names, Caetano, Caton, Garcia, Andrade, and Harvey.Would appreciate any info, especially about Ashland years or those in Massachusetts. Also all very active in Holy Ghost Festas,Garcia from Castelo Blanco,Fayal. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese
Hi, If you want to translate FRANCA, Vila Franca do Campo, the translation would be tax free village! Eliseu Pacheco da Silva No dia 14/07/2013, às 13:56, David Perry djperr...@sbcglobal.net escreveu: Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread. The comments regarding the French influence are quite interesting. I have a number of Sao Miguel ancestors from the town of Vila Franca do Campo (I think that's correct) which translates to French Camp. Why would anyone name a town French Camp? By the way, there's a French Camp in CA started in the Gold Rush days named for a similar reason. Also, the comments about educated vs. uneducated folks holds true with my family. At least seven and possibly all eight of my great grandparents were illiterate - couldn't sign their name. Three of my four grandparents were the same way. Without the ability to see what it is they were saying, it's no surprise that the spoken word would easily drift away from the written word. Speaking of education, are my illiterate ancestors typical of all the islanders? Are some of the islands more educated than others? My ancestors all came from Sao Miguel, mostly the south-central part of the island and also the southeastern corner. David On Saturday, July 13, 2013 7:43:10 AM UTC-7, Herb wrote: Hi David I was born in Sao Miguel and still speak Portuguese with the Sao Miguel accent. It sounds absolutely nothing like Brazilian Portuguese pronunciation. Its like night and day David. In fact many Azoreans have great difficulty understanding a Brazilian speaker. I delved a bit into all of this when I took some linguistic courses while pursuing my undergarduate degree. I have always been fascinated by languages. Two facts are in evidence. One concerns the pronunciation of the Portuguese language as spoken in Sao Miguel where several peculiarities remind the listener of French. The two most striking of these characteristics are the pronunciation depicted by the letter u ( escudo, Furnas) as u in the French tu and the sound depicted in the French dipthongs ou and oi ( ouro, noite as the eu or French peu (foot), roughly the ur of New England, Burt. The French sounds in the Michalense ( Sao Miguel) pronunciation could be due to French influnce on parts of the island. The village known as Bretanha may have been settled by Bretons from Brittanny France, possibly ship wrecked sailors. At the western end of Sao Miguel there is a place called Ginetes, probably so called from a famous breed of jennets for which the island was noted. The name reminds of the French word jenet heather as in the English Royal House of Plantagenet ( ruled 1154-1399). The so called French u also exists in Corvo and parts of Madeira. The French u and eu are heard in Continental Portugal specifically in the region known as the Upper Alentejo where the families of many Azoreans originated. Some scholars say that if it had been washed up Breton sailors or fishermen or sailors or pirates at the end of the 16th century they would have Celtic speaking and not French speaking. So maybe in order to confirm or deny the theory of Breton influence we must examine the Celtic phonological system. Having said all that David, there is no concrete evidence that Frenchmen did so settle, much less influence the pronunciation of Michaelense. The matter of pronumnciation impinges on that of provenience. Lingustic evidence however, strongly suggests that the early setllers of Sao Miguel came from southern Portugal from the Algarve region and from Upper Alentejo and it is the pronunciation from those regions that influenced Michaelense. Still others hold to the French theory. I hope this helps at least partially explain the Portuguese language pronumciation as spoken in Sao Miguel. Herb On Friday, July 12, 2013 4:10:06 PM UTC-4, David Perry wrote: I'm starting to learn Portuguese and everything I see and hear doesn't sound at all like what I remember as a child while listening to my born in Sao Miguel father talking to his relatives and neighbors, all of whom spoke only Portuguese. For instance, I specifically remember very well two words: legs which my father pronounced pad-nish (doesn't sound at all like what I see in a dictionary - pernas) and chourico which my father pronounced shoo-dees. How different is the Sao Miguel Portuguese from Lisbon Portuguese? Are there a few general rules I can follow such as r's sound like d's or drop the ending vowel as in the two examples above? David -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese
I'm Brazilian and so my Portuguese is from Brazil, where I lived most of my life. Brazil is almost as big as US, having several different accents as we have here in US if you go from N to S or E to W. I have been to Portugal and to Azores (Terceira) and I never had a problem communicating with anyone. I traveled alone so I had to really speak to everybody in restaurants, churches, libraries, taxi drivers, everybody understand my Portuguese as I did understand them. It was never a problem at all. Brazilian Portuguese is for Portugal Portuguese as American English is for English from UK, except for regional accents. That is what I experienced while being there for about one month and a half. Isabella On Friday, July 12, 2013 4:10:06 PM UTC-4, David Perry wrote: I'm starting to learn Portuguese and everything I see and hear doesn't sound at all like what I remember as a child while listening to my born in Sao Miguel father talking to his relatives and neighbors, all of whom spoke only Portuguese. For instance, I specifically remember very well two words: legs which my father pronounced pad-nish (doesn't sound at all like what I see in a dictionary - pernas) and chourico which my father pronounced shoo-dees. How different is the Sao Miguel Portuguese from Lisbon Portuguese? Are there a few general rules I can follow such as r's sound like d's or drop the ending vowel as in the two examples above? David -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese
About education, I think you will notice what I have noticed - it depends on the family wealth.That is at least until schooling became more enforced in the latter 1800s. Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese From: David Perry djperr...@sbcglobal.net Date: Sun, July 14, 2013 6:56 am To: azores@googlegroups.com Also, the comments about educated vs. uneducated folks holds true with my family. At least seven and possibly all eight of my great grandparents were illiterate - couldn't sign their name. Three of my four grandparents were the same way. Without the ability to see what it is they were saying, it's no surprise that the spoken word would easily drift away from the written word. Speaking of education, are my illiterate ancestors typical of all the islanders? Are some of the islands more "educated" than others? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.
OK. A start. Here they are in the 1910 census Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children born 2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA ch: Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road, Washington Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA: Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909 wife: Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores ch: Helen 14 b. CA Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census. Should be able to find her birth record somewhere. Elaine -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pronunciation, Lisbon vs. Sao Miguel Portuguese
*Isabella, * *For the most part, I agree with most of what you said. I now can understand just about any Portuguese speaking person so much so that when I hear someone speaking on the radio, I sometimes have to think is that a Brazilian or an Azorean? But it took time. It WAS a problem initially. * *John Vasconcelos* On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Isabella Baltar myportuguese...@gmail.com wrote: I'm Brazilian and so my Portuguese is from Brazil, where I lived most of my life. Brazil is almost as big as US, having several different accents as we have here in US if you go from N to S or E to W. I have been to Portugal and to Azores (Terceira) and I never had a problem communicating with anyone. I traveled alone so I had to really speak to everybody in restaurants, churches, libraries, taxi drivers, everybody understand my Portuguese as I did understand them. It was never a problem at all. Brazilian Portuguese is for Portugal Portuguese as American English is for English from UK, except for regional accents. That is what I experienced while being there for about one month and a half. Isabella On Friday, July 12, 2013 4:10:06 PM UTC-4, David Perry wrote: I'm starting to learn Portuguese and everything I see and hear doesn't sound at all like what I remember as a child while listening to my born in Sao Miguel father talking to his relatives and neighbors, all of whom spoke only Portuguese. For instance, I specifically remember very well two words: legs which my father pronounced pad-nish (doesn't sound at all like what I see in a dictionary - pernas) and chourico which my father pronounced shoo-dees. How different is the Sao Miguel Portuguese from Lisbon Portuguese? Are there a few general rules I can follow such as r's sound like d's or drop the ending vowel as in the two examples above? David -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Matos in Praia do Norte, Faial
Repost for Nell, Does anyone have Angelica Francisca da Silveira (Matos) born in Praia do Norte, Faial in 1898 in their line? She was my grandmother, and i'm interested if anyone knows from what part of the world her ancestors were from. She and her sister were both large, big-boned women, fair-haired and skin, and blue-eyed. I am aware the Azores were populated by the Flemish but wonder if anyone has more info. Nell researching Praia do Norte, Fayal -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.
I believe this is Filomena's birth record: No first name given Caton female b. 2/20/1890 Provincetown MA father: Manuel Caton fisherman b. Pico Azores mother: Philomena (nee Constance) b. Faial, Azores What do you think? These parents also had these children: Unnamed Female Caton b. 12/25/1872 Provincetown, MA father Manuel Caton born Peak???(that is how Pico is pronounced) Pico, mariner mother Philomena Caton b. Faial, Azores This might one of theirs but mother's name is given as Mary John Francis Caton b. Nov 30, 1873 Provincetown parents Manuel and Mary?? Caton both b. Western Islands. Father is mariner. (I think mother's name is incorrect on record) Jennie Caton b. Feb. 13, 1881, Provincetown, MA parents Manuel and Philomena Caton. He born Pico, she born Faial. Carrie Caton b. Mar. 18, 1885, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and Fermana?? Caton. He born Pico, she b. Faial (I think mother's name is incorrect on record). Oren Lewis Caton b. April 24,1887, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and Philomena Caton. He born Pico, she born Faial I will do more checking for other children but I need to know if these are the right parents as their are other Caton parents in Provincetown. E On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:23 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: OK. A start. Here they are in the 1910 census Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children born 2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA ch: Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road, Washington Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA: Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909 wife: Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores ch: Helen 14 b. CA Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census. Should be able to find her birth record somewhere. Elaine -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.
Food for thought. I was born and raised in Washington TOWNSHIP. There are several towns in Washington Township. I believe they were: Decoto, Alvarado, Niles, Centerville (the center of Washington Township), Mission San Jose, Irvington, Newark, AND I think Milpitas. Sam: Was Milpitas in Washington Township? Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: E Sharp To: azores Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey. OK. A start. Here they are in the 1910 census Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children born 2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA ch: Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road, Washington Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA: Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909 wife: Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores ch: Helen 14 b. CA Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census. Should be able to find her birth record somewhere. Elaine -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.
You can see a lot more here including marriages. https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20query=%2Bsurname%3Acaton~%20%2Brecord_country%3A%22United%20States%22%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22provincetown%2C%20massachusetts%22~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1870-1900~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3AManuel~%20%2Bfather_surname%3ACaton~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3AFilomena~ If it does not work, go to www.familysearch.org Click on Search In Names put just surname - Caton In Country put in United States Birthplace put in Provincetown, Massachusetts (as this seems to be where the children were born) Year Range - 1865-1905 Parents: Father: Manuel Caton Mother: Philomena (do not check match all terms) then click SEARCH Records show Manuel came to US 1860 and Filomena in 1863. So far I have not found their marriage record. Now searching for ship's records. E On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:10 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: I believe this is Filomena's birth record: No first name given Caton female b. 2/20/1890 Provincetown MA father: Manuel Caton fisherman b. Pico Azores mother: Philomena (nee Constance) b. Faial, Azores What do you think? These parents also had these children: Unnamed Female Caton b. 12/25/1872 Provincetown, MA father Manuel Caton born Peak???(that is how Pico is pronounced) Pico, mariner mother Philomena Caton b. Faial, Azores This might one of theirs but mother's name is given as Mary John Francis Caton b. Nov 30, 1873 Provincetown parents Manuel and Mary?? Caton both b. Western Islands. Father is mariner. (I think mother's name is incorrect on record) Jennie Caton b. Feb. 13, 1881, Provincetown, MA parents Manuel and Philomena Caton. He born Pico, she born Faial. Carrie Caton b. Mar. 18, 1885, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and Fermana?? Caton. He born Pico, she b. Faial (I think mother's name is incorrect on record). Oren Lewis Caton b. April 24,1887, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and Philomena Caton. He born Pico, she born Faial I will do more checking for other children but I need to know if these are the right parents as their are other Caton parents in Provincetown. E On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:23 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: OK. A start. Here they are in the 1910 census Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children born 2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA ch: Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road, Washington Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA: Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909 wife: Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores ch: Helen 14 b. CA Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census. Should be able to find her birth record somewhere. Elaine -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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No, I don't believe Milpitas was in Washington Township but; I'm pretty sure Warm Springs was. Sam in Calif. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Allegre Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:20 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey. Food for thought. I was born and raised in Washington TOWNSHIP. There are several towns in Washington Township. I believe they were: Decoto, Alvarado, Niles, Centerville (the center of Washington Township), Mission San Jose, Irvington, Newark, AND I think Milpitas. Sam: Was Milpitas in Washington Township? Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: mailto:bellema...@gmail.com E Sharp To: azores mailto:azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey. OK. A start. Here they are in the 1910 census Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children born 2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA ch: Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road, Washington Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA: Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909 wife: Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores ch: Helen 14 b. CA Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census. Should be able to find her birth record somewhere. Elaine -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Okay thanks. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Sam Koester To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:44 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey. No, I don't believe Milpitas was in Washington Township but; I'm pretty sure Warm Springs was. Sam in Calif. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Allegre Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 3:20 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey. Food for thought. I was born and raised in Washington TOWNSHIP. There are several towns in Washington Township. I believe they were: Decoto, Alvarado, Niles, Centerville (the center of Washington Township), Mission San Jose, Irvington, Newark, AND I think Milpitas. Sam: Was Milpitas in Washington Township? Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: E Sharp To: azores Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey. OK. A start. Here they are in the 1910 census Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children born 2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA ch: Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road, Washington Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA: Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909 wife: Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores ch: Helen 14 b. CA Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census. Should be able to find her birth record somewhere. Elaine -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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1880 US Census Name: Manuel Caton Event Type: Census Event Date: 1880 Event Place:Provincetown, Barnstable, Massachusetts, United States Gender: Male Age: 38 Marital Status: Married Occupation: Sailor Race (Original): W Ethnicity: American Relationship to Head of Household: Self Birthplace: Azores Birth Date: 1842 Spouse's Name: Pheama Caton Spouse's Birthplace: Azores Father's Name: Father's Birthplace: Azores Mother's Name: Mother's Birthplace: Azores Page: 280 Page Letter: B Entry Number: 81 Affiliate Film Number: T9-0520 GS Film number:1254520https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20query=%2Bfilm_number%3A1254520 Digital Folder Number:004241686https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20query=%2Bfilm_number%3A004241686 Image Number: 00044 HouseholdGenderAgeBirthplace Self Manuel Caton M38 Azores Wife Pheama Caton https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHDY-H6B F31 Azores Daughter Mary Caton https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHDY-H61 F15Massachusetts, United States Son Manuel Caton https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHDY-HXM M10Massachusetts, United States Son Joseph Caton https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHDY-HX9 M3Massachusetts, United States Other Manuel Enos https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHDY-HXS (boarder) M22 Azores E On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:37 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: You can see a lot more here including marriages. https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20query=%2Bsurname%3Acaton~%20%2Brecord_country%3A%22United%20States%22%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22provincetown%2C%20massachusetts%22~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1870-1900~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3AManuel~%20%2Bfather_surname%3ACaton~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3AFilomena~ If it does not work, go to www.familysearch.org Click on Search In Names put just surname - Caton In Country put in United States Birthplace put in Provincetown, Massachusetts (as this seems to be where the children were born) Year Range - 1865-1905 Parents: Father: Manuel Caton Mother: Philomena (do not check match all terms) then click SEARCH Records show Manuel came to US 1860 and Filomena in 1863. So far I have not found their marriage record. Now searching for ship's records. E On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:10 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: I believe this is Filomena's birth record: No first name given Caton female b. 2/20/1890 Provincetown MA father: Manuel Caton fisherman b. Pico Azores mother: Philomena (nee Constance) b. Faial, Azores What do you think? These parents also had these children: Unnamed Female Caton b. 12/25/1872 Provincetown, MA father Manuel Caton born Peak???(that is how Pico is pronounced) Pico, mariner mother Philomena Caton b. Faial, Azores This might one of theirs but mother's name is given as Mary John Francis Caton b. Nov 30, 1873 Provincetown parents Manuel and Mary?? Caton both b. Western Islands. Father is mariner. (I think mother's name is incorrect on record) Jennie Caton b. Feb. 13, 1881, Provincetown, MA parents Manuel and Philomena Caton. He born Pico, she born Faial. Carrie Caton b. Mar. 18, 1885, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and Fermana?? Caton. He born Pico, she b. Faial (I think mother's name is incorrect on record). Oren Lewis Caton b. April 24,1887, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and Philomena Caton. He born Pico, she born Faial I will do more checking for other children but I need to know if these are the right parents as their are other Caton parents in Provincetown. E On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:23 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: OK. A start. Here they are in the 1910 census Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children born 2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA ch: Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road, Washington Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA: Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909 wife: Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores ch: Helen 14 b. CA Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census. Should be able to find her birth record somewhere. Elaine -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.
Sorry for numerous emails...but search is not so easy. Sure hope this is them??? This is it for while till I know I have the right family..E Name:Manuel CatonEvent Type:Marriage Birth Date:abt 1840Marriage Date:19 Jan 1865Marriage Place:Provincetown, MassachusettsMarriage Age:25Father Name:Frank CatonSpouse Name:Felimenia Constantina (or Constancia??)Spouse Marriage Age:18Spouse Father Name:Manuel ConstantinaSpouse Mother Name: Mary Louisa On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:48 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: 1880 US Census Name: Manuel Caton Event Type: Census Event Date: 1880 Event Place:Provincetown, Barnstable, Massachusetts, United States Gender:Male Age: 38 Marital Status: Married Occupation: Sailor Race (Original): W Ethnicity: American Relationship to Head of Household: Self Birthplace: Azores Birth Date: 1842 Spouse's Name: Pheama Caton Spouse's Birthplace: Azores Father's Name: Father's Birthplace: Azores Mother's Name: Mother's Birthplace: Azores Page: 280 Page Letter: B Entry Number: 81 Affiliate Film Number:T9-0520 GS Film number: 1254520https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20query=%2Bfilm_number%3A1254520 Digital Folder Number: 004241686https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20query=%2Bfilm_number%3A004241686 Image Number: 00044 HouseholdGenderAgeBirthplace Self Manuel Caton M38 Azores Wife Pheama Caton https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHDY-H6B F31 Azores Daughter Mary Caton https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHDY-H61 F15Massachusetts, United States Son Manuel Caton https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHDY-HXM M10 Massachusetts, United States Son Joseph Catonhttps://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHDY-HX9 M3 Massachusetts, United States Other Manuel Enoshttps://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHDY-HXS (boarder) M22 Azores E On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:37 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: You can see a lot more here including marriages. https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20query=%2Bsurname%3Acaton~%20%2Brecord_country%3A%22United%20States%22%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22provincetown%2C%20massachusetts%22~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1870-1900~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3AManuel~%20%2Bfather_surname%3ACaton~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3AFilomena~ If it does not work, go to www.familysearch.org Click on Search In Names put just surname - Caton In Country put in United States Birthplace put in Provincetown, Massachusetts (as this seems to be where the children were born) Year Range - 1865-1905 Parents: Father: Manuel Caton Mother: Philomena (do not check match all terms) then click SEARCH Records show Manuel came to US 1860 and Filomena in 1863. So far I have not found their marriage record. Now searching for ship's records. E On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:10 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: I believe this is Filomena's birth record: No first name given Caton female b. 2/20/1890 Provincetown MA father: Manuel Caton fisherman b. Pico Azores mother: Philomena (nee Constance) b. Faial, Azores What do you think? These parents also had these children: Unnamed Female Caton b. 12/25/1872 Provincetown, MA father Manuel Caton born Peak???(that is how Pico is pronounced) Pico, mariner mother Philomena Caton b. Faial, Azores This might one of theirs but mother's name is given as Mary John Francis Caton b. Nov 30, 1873 Provincetown parents Manuel and Mary?? Caton both b. Western Islands. Father is mariner. (I think mother's name is incorrect on record) Jennie Caton b. Feb. 13, 1881, Provincetown, MA parents Manuel and Philomena Caton. He born Pico, she born Faial. Carrie Caton b. Mar. 18, 1885, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and Fermana?? Caton. He born Pico, she b. Faial (I think mother's name is incorrect on record). Oren Lewis Caton b. April 24,1887, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and Philomena Caton. He born Pico, she born Faial I will do more checking for other children but I need to know if these are the right parents as their are other Caton parents in Provincetown. E On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:23 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: OK. A start. Here they are in the 1910 census Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children born 2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA ch: Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road, Washington Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA: Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909 wife: Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores ch: Helen 14 b. CA Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census. Should be able to find her birth record somewhere. Elaine -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.
Shirley,
I don't know if you are interested but there is a free ebook on the
internet on the History of Washington Township you might be interested in
viewing.
History of Washington Township, Alameda County, California
...http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=history%20of%20washingtontownship%20alameda%20co%20casource=webcd=1ved=0CC8QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdetails%2Fhistoryofwashing00counei=EE_jUaO9N6WJiAK5woH4CQusg=AFQjCNE0AFWiO2C1IGmnubDiUVNcUurViwsig2=Xej-BHwfpckOfBMQqBFreQbvm=bv.48705608,d.cGE
Tish
On Sunday, July 14, 2013, Shirley Allegre wrote:
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Food for thought. I was born and raised in Washington TOWNSHIP. There
are several towns in Washington Township. I believe they were: Decoto,
Alvarado, Niles, Centerville (the center of Washington Township), Mission
San Jose, Irvington, Newark, AND I think Milpitas.
Sam: Was Milpitas in Washington Township?
Shirley in CA
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OK. A start. Here they are in the 1910 census
Family126 - County Road, Washington, Alameda County CA
Manuel A. Harvey 37 b. abt. 1873 Portugal, married 6 years, 2 children
born 2 children living, to US abt. 1900, farmer
wife: Polcena Harvey 21 b. abt. 1889 CA
ch: Helen 4 b. abt. 1906 CA
Clarence T. 1 b. abt. 1909 CA
I think this is them in 1920 census Farm 10, Niles Mission Road,
Washington Irvington District, Alameda Co. CA:
Manl A. Harvey 41 b. Azores to US 1909
wife: Mary?? 31 b. CA parents b. Azores
ch: Helen 14 b. CA
Now I will work on trying to find per parents in 1900 census. Should be
able to find her birth record somewhere.
Elaine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] caton or caetano to ashland area, bay area from Flores, then Mass., Also Garcia, Alvernaz or Harvey.
One more before turning in: *Name:* Manuel Francis Caton *Birth:* 26 Dec 1839 in Pico, Azores *Death:* 24 Feb 1918 in Provincetown, Massachusetts Provincetown Advocate, 28 Feb 1918 Manuel Francis Caton died Sunday February 24th at his Bangs' street home, aged 78 years, 1 month and 29 days. He was born on the island of Pico, Azores, came to Provincetown at the age of 16 years and lived here thereafter. He married here Jan. 19, 1865, Philomena Constantino, who, with two daughters and one son survives him. Mr. Caton was occupied at fishing work until a comparatively recent date, since which time he was occupied in garden work and posing as an artist's model. He leaves a good record for industry. On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 4:04 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for numerous emails...but search is not so easy. Sure hope this is them??? This is it for while till I know I have the right family..E Name:Manuel Caton Event Type:Marriage Birth Date:abt 1840Marriage Date:19 Jan 1865Marriage Place:Provincetown, Massachusetts Marriage Age:25Father Name:Frank CatonSpouse Name:Felimenia Constantina (or Constancia??)Spouse Marriage Age: 18Spouse Father Name:Manuel ConstantinaSpouse Mother Name: Mary Louisa On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:48 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: 1880 US Census Name: Manuel Caton Event Type: Census Event Date: 1880 Event Place:Provincetown, Barnstable, Massachusetts, United States Gender:Male Age: 38 Marital Status: Married Occupation: Sailor Race (Original): W Ethnicity: American Relationship to Head of Household: Self Birthplace: Azores Birth Date: 1842 Spouse's Name: Pheama Caton Spouse's Birthplace: Azores Father's Name: Father's Birthplace: Azores Mother's Name: Mother's Birthplace: Azores Page: 280 Page Letter: B Entry Number: 81 Affiliate Film Number: T9-0520 GS Film number: 1254520https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20query=%2Bfilm_number%3A1254520 Digital Folder Number: 004241686https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20query=%2Bfilm_number%3A004241686 Image Number: 00044 HouseholdGenderAge Birthplace Self Manuel Caton M38 Azores Wife Pheama Caton https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHDY-H6B F31Azores Daughter Mary Caton https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHDY-H61 F15 Massachusetts, United States Son Manuel Catonhttps://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHDY-HXM M 10 Massachusetts, United States Son Joseph Catonhttps://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHDY-HX9 M3 Massachusetts, United States Other Manuel Enoshttps://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MHDY-HXS (boarder) M22 Azores E On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:37 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: You can see a lot more here including marriages. https://familysearch.org/search/record/results#count=20query=%2Bsurname%3Acaton~%20%2Brecord_country%3A%22United%20States%22%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22provincetown%2C%20massachusetts%22~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1870-1900~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3AManuel~%20%2Bfather_surname%3ACaton~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3AFilomena~ If it does not work, go to www.familysearch.org Click on Search In Names put just surname - Caton In Country put in United States Birthplace put in Provincetown, Massachusetts (as this seems to be where the children were born) Year Range - 1865-1905 Parents: Father: Manuel Caton Mother: Philomena (do not check match all terms) then click SEARCH Records show Manuel came to US 1860 and Filomena in 1863. So far I have not found their marriage record. Now searching for ship's records. E On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 3:10 PM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: I believe this is Filomena's birth record: No first name given Caton female b. 2/20/1890 Provincetown MA father: Manuel Caton fisherman b. Pico Azores mother: Philomena (nee Constance) b. Faial, Azores What do you think? These parents also had these children: Unnamed Female Caton b. 12/25/1872 Provincetown, MA father Manuel Caton born Peak???(that is how Pico is pronounced) Pico, mariner mother Philomena Caton b. Faial, Azores This might one of theirs but mother's name is given as Mary John Francis Caton b. Nov 30, 1873 Provincetown parents Manuel and Mary?? Caton both b. Western Islands. Father is mariner. (I think mother's name is incorrect on record) Jennie Caton b. Feb. 13, 1881, Provincetown, MA parents Manuel and Philomena Caton. He born Pico, she born Faial. Carrie Caton b. Mar. 18, 1885, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and Fermana?? Caton. He born Pico, she b. Faial (I think mother's name is incorrect on record). Oren Lewis Caton b. April 24,1887, Provincetown MA parents Manuel and Philomena Caton. He born Pico, she born Faial I will do more checking for other children but I need to know if these are the right parents as their are other Caton parents in Provincetown. E On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:23 PM, E Sharp
