RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Costa Furtado and Aguiar, mid 1700s, Bretanha

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I just checked George Pacheco’s Book and He lists a Manuel Raposo Married to
Ana Medeiros in Ajuda but gives no date. I could not find a Jose da Costa
Furtado with a Maria Aguiar.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

 

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Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 8:43 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Costa Furtado and Aguiar, mid 1700s, Bretanha

 

Repost for Antonio Raposo, antoraposo at hotmail.com

I need help  to find the record of two couples; as follows,

   Jose da Costa Furtado  who was born in Nossa Senhora
da Ajuda, Bretanha  He died before 1766 in Remedios da Bretanha, São Miguel.
He married Maria Aguiar. She was born in Nossa Senhora da Ajuda,,.. She died
on 10 Dec 1766 in Remedios da Bretanha, São Miguel.
 


Manuel Raposo was born about 1679. He died on 09 Nov 1739 in Nossa Senhora
da Ajuda, Bretanha.. He married Ana Medeiros. 

 


Unfortunately, I was not able to find a record of marriage for any of them.


Thanks 

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Costa Furtado and Aguiar, mid 1700s, Bretanha

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for Antonio Raposo, antoraposo at hotmail.com

I need help  to find the record of two couples; as follows,

   *Jose da Costa Furtado  *who was born in Nossa
Senhora da Ajuda, Bretanha  He died before* *1766 in Remedios da Bretanha,
São Miguel. He married *Maria Aguiar*. She was born in Nossa Senhora da
Ajuda,,.. She died on 10 Dec 1766 in Remedios da Bretanha, São Miguel.



*Manuel Raposo *was born about 1679. He died on 09 Nov 1739 in Nossa
Senhora da Ajuda,* *Bretanha.. He married *Ana Medeiros*.



Unfortunately, I was not able to find a record of marriage for any of them.


Thanks

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[Linda Jardin]

Yes. That is what I am saying

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Linda J,

What?  Are you saying: Lenore > Virginia > Linda > Linda J (you).  If so,
that's a string of females and you can take the mtDNA test.  Reread my
other post CAREFULLY.  *Most* mtDNA results are anthropological in nature
and not genealogical.

Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Bretanha

[Antonio Raposo]

Hi Maria,
Jose do Rego is my grand uncle. I have a lot of information regarding him. 
Maybe i could help you find what you are looking for. Jose do Rego was born 
in 1896, jan 25th. Here is the link : 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P173.html
I have other information on the Do Rego's family ( last wedding i have is 
30 jan 1715) Hope this helps

Sexta-feira, 25 de Outubro de 2013 10:00:23 UTC-4, Maria Brum escreveu:
>
> I am looking for info on a Jose do Rego married to a Maria Arruda they 
> were born and married in remedios. {Bretanha]  They had a daughter that 
> died at the age of 25, there were more children from jose.  There is a 
> daughter that was born in 1931.  Unfortunaltey her mind is not allowing her 
> to go back in time as far as name and dates.
>
> I have looked in Ajuda bretanha which maybe wrong in my part.  wehre would 
> I look for remedios.  I am assuming that Jose was bornm late 1800 to early 
> 1900.
>
> I have looked on on the batismos, The writting is so tiny that I am having 
> difficult reading it.  If anyone has this family or can lead me on the 
> right direction I would greatly appreciat any info or leads 
>
> Thank you
>
> -- researching, Brum, Arruda. Ramalhos and Medeiros from the Rosario/Lagoa 
> area
> www.aldasplace.ca
> Alda B. owner/operator 
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] YDNA Results

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Margaret,

The haplogroup can be determined by the first 12 markers.
Cheri Mello
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] YDNA Results

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi Margaret,

I will reply privately off list.

Rick

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] YDNA Results

I'm having a problem understanding why my YDNA results have no Haplo group
designation at 12 and 25 marker.  Balance up to 67 marker have been delayed
to November.

Does this mean FTDN doesn't have something to match with?

I can see J1 and J2 distance of 1 but no matches.

Can someone help and enlighten me on this?

Thank you.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] de MEDEIROS and HENRIQUITA (sp ??)

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi Betty, 

Another source to check on the site is
http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcgen/genidx.htm  The Massachusetts Archives
They have vital records from 1841 to 1920. I have had some success using
this source. While they only give partial information you can order copies
of the orginal record and a certificate for $3.00. It usually takes 2-3
weeks to get a response. I would also check the Passports on the CCA site
from Sao Miguel.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] de MEDEIROS and HENRIQUITA (sp ??)

Hello,

One of my husband's relatives passed last week and we attended the wake and 
funeral nearby.   While there, we got to chat with my husband's father's 
cousin - with the MEDEIROS name.He said that he .still.  would love to 
find out if his father had siblings.   And, he wanted to know where his 
grandparents came from.

They've been researching for maybe 20 yrs., and I've been helping them for 5

yrs. - as I had time.Because of the events last week, I decided to spend

some, early-morning time this week doing on-line research.  ..  My memory
was saying that his grandparents were  Philip MEDEIROS and Maria MIRANDA, 
born 1850's Portugal.   And, they came over in 1889 with 4 young children 
and had 4 more sons while in Cambridge.Their youngest was Frank, b1895, 
and he was the father.

When I went to the archives of the Lists and Boards at   www.rootsweb.com 
I was reminded that those were the American names for the couple.   He was 
actually Felix MEDEIROS.And, I was reminded that the couple probably 
married ~1872 as they had children in Azores? from 1874 to 1888.3 
daughters then a son, and then 4 more sons in Cambridge, MA.   They migrated

in 1889, and seemingly went right to Cambridge.   I think I found Felix 
coming over in May?   1889 last night.(I didn't make note of that, yet.)

The 1900 census had Mrs. Maria MEDEIROS as a widow and had she was living 
with several of her children.So, it was assumed that Felix / Philip died

in Cambridge between 1895 and 1900.Yesterday I took a chance and 
e-mailed the Cambridge City Clerk -- just asking for the year of death. 
We would have driven there to find out more in person. It must have been

a quiet day as late afternoon she responded with very important information:

Oct. 1899
Feles  DeMardeiras
Age 50
Born  St. Michael's, Azores

I sent the information to my husband's relative last night, and they did .. 
the happy dance !The couple is now getting older and starting to have 
health problems, so can't research as much as they used to.

.. One note is that those 1900-1920 census records for Massachusetts  had
more than several  MEDEIROS couples living in Cambridge and Somerville, all 
born in the Azores during the 1850's.So, it wouldn't surprise me to find

out if Felix / Philip came over with siblings and / or cousins during the
1880's.

Another note is that their 3 daughters all married and had married names, 
JESSE, MACHADO, and SOUZA.   And, 2 of the husbands were barbers.I 
haven't researched those couples, yet. I can't find any information on 
the next sons, Edward and Aruba.In 1900 the youngest sons were Manuel 
and Frank. Last night I found out they had a son, Charles, b1893, who 
might have died as a baby.

Manuel MEDEIROS moved to Stoughton, MA, married there, and at least stayed 
there for a while.I don't remember if "Manny" and Charinda (sp?) had 
children. And, my husband's relative doesn't seem to remember his Uncle 
Manny.   But, last night I found out he probably died in 1970 in Middlesex 
Co., MA, so possibly back in Cambridge.

The youngest, Frank, married Carolina MOURA, and they had 2 sons.They 
lived in Somerville and Cambridge, but both the father and one son died 
young. So, the surviving son knows very little about his grandparents 
and their family.

By the way, I found one record on-line last night which showed the
grandmother's maiden name with alternate spellings of  HONDIGUETA or 
HOUDIGUETA.I don't know how long she lived.The relative believes 
some of the family moved to Fall River, MA, and perhaps she moved there.

Thank you for your time.

Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

(very active on Lists and Boards at   www.rootsweb.com   for 12 yrs.)

(By the way,  the  MEDEIROS List there needs a new Administrator.I don't

want to volunteer at this time.)


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[Cheri Mello]

Linda J,

What?  Are you saying: Lenore > Virginia > Linda > Linda J (you).  If so,
that's a string of females and you can take the mtDNA test.  Reread my
other post CAREFULLY.  *Most* mtDNA results are anthropological in nature
and not genealogical.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[Linda Jardin]

Okay, I think that's me!  Here's the lineup:  Lenore, her daughter
Virgina, my grandmother, My mother Linda daughter of Virginia and then
me.  I will try the mtDNA test and wait for Sao Sebastio to be posted.

 

Thank you!

 

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Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:43 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

 

Linda J,

Hopefully, the CCA will post Sao Sebastiao before the end of the year.
They are in the "Sao" part of the alphabet and posting records in the
council of Ponta Delgada.

If you test your mtDNA, understand that you MUST be the daughter of the
daughter of the daughter of Leonorwomen all the way back to her.
Also understand that *most* mtDNA results are anthropological in nature
- the out of Africa theory.  You are less likely to get a genealogy
match that you would be able to document on paper unless you just happen
to have a rare mutation.  With that being said, we've had 1 or maybe 2
people who have been able to document their mtDNA match on paper (due to
a rare mutation).  We have about 250 mtDNA results in the Azores
database.

Currently, the other 2 types of DNA testing are Y-DNA (and Leonor was
not a man) or autosomal DNA (Family Finder).  The X chromosome testing
is on the horizon, so that will become the 4th type of DNA testing.  I
would think that there will be more on this in 2014.


Cheri Mello
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[pico]

Linda,Also do the Family Finder test on different sides of your family to help eliminate or exclude matches wherever possible.For example, if I match someone that my father doesn't match, then I know it comes from my mother's side.Use that strategy for your ancestors on all sides. Get cousins tested that represent various parts of your tree. I am talking about the Family Finder test strategies.I'm glad you'll be able to do the mt-DNA test on someone who is her direct maternal descendant.And remember, probably most expostos did know their real parents, so being raised by an aunt is certainly possible. Look at the godparents of the one you think is your ancestor once those records are online and you might be looking at her true blood relatives.Good luck.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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From: "Linda Jardin" 
Date: Fri, October 25, 2013 10:17 am
To: 

This is a good lesson for me.  I want to thank all of you for sharing your knowledge.  I am a newbie at this.  I will wait tor S. Sebastio in Ponta Delgada, S. Miguel baptism records to posted.  In the meantime I will do the mt dna test.  I have info on all of her children and grandchildren.  I have pictures of her and her husband. 




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[Cheri Mello]

Linda J,

Hopefully, the CCA will post Sao Sebastiao before the end of the year.
They are in the "Sao" part of the alphabet and posting records in the
council of Ponta Delgada.

If you test your mtDNA, understand that you MUST be the daughter of the
daughter of the daughter of Leonorwomen all the way back to her.  Also
understand that *most* mtDNA results are anthropological in nature - the
out of Africa theory.  You are less likely to get a genealogy match that
you would be able to document on paper unless you just happen to have a
rare mutation.  With that being said, we've had 1 or maybe 2 people who
have been able to document their mtDNA match on paper (due to a rare
mutation).  We have about 250 mtDNA results in the Azores database.

Currently, the other 2 types of DNA testing are Y-DNA (and Leonor was not a
man) or autosomal DNA (Family Finder).  The X chromosome testing is on the
horizon, so that will become the 4th type of DNA testing.  I would think
that there will be more on this in 2014.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[Linda Jardin]

This is a good lesson for me.  I want to thank all of you for sharing
your knowledge.  I am a newbie at this.  I will wait tor S. Sebastio in
Ponta Delgada, S. Miguel baptism records to posted.  In the meantime I
will do the mt dna test.  I have info on all of her children and
grandchildren.  I have pictures of her and her husband.  I visit her at
Holy Sepulchre she has brought two sides of the family that did not even
know each other together.  I feel fortunate to belong to this group and
am thankful to all of you for your willingness to share.  I could not
have gotten as far as I have without your help.  

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:44 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

 

In parts of my family, if your cousins were old enough to be your aunt
and uncle, you called them aunt and uncle.  So this "aunt" may be a
title only as Eileen stated.  

Linda J needs to find the baptism of Leonor in Sao Sebastiao in Ponta
Delgada on Sao Miguel island.  Not just any Leonor on any island that
kind of seems to fit.  Maybe then the "aunt" story will make sense.
Then again, maybe not.  But since her paper trail has so far pointed to
S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada on S.Miguel island, she needs to look
there.  If I were researching George Washington, who was born in
Virginia, I wouldn't go looking for him in Massachusetts.  Sure, I'd
probably find one, but it's not good genealogy practice to go jumping
states when everything points to Virginia.


Cheri Mello
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Tainhas, Achada 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] YDNA Results

[Margaret Vicente]

I'm having a problem understanding why my YDNA results have no Haplo
group designation at 12 and 25 marker.  Balance up to 67 marker have
been delayed to November.

Does this mean FTDN doesn't have something to match with?

I can see J1 and J2 distance of 1 but no matches.

Can someone help and enlighten me on this?

Thank you.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bretanha

[John Raposo]

Baptisms and marriages before 1913 were performed in in Ajuda. After that they 
were performed and recorded in Remédios, which became a parish (no longer part 
of Ajuda) in 1960. See "Notas Históricas" by Rev. António Nunes (1975). If this 
couple was having children in 1931, their marriage was probably after 1914. 
More specific information (names of the parents of the bride and groom, 
approximate dates, etc, might help find the information you are looking for. 
Let me know if I can help.

John Miranda Raposo





On Friday, October 25, 2013 12:50 PM, Alda Jorge  wrote:
 
I am looking for info on a Jose do Rego married to a Maria Arruda they were 
born and married in remedios. {Bretanha]  They had a daughter that died at the 
age of 25, there were more children from jose.  There is a daughter that was 
born in 1931.  Unfortunaltey her mind is not allowing her to go back in time as 
far as name and dates.

I have looked in Ajuda bretanha which maybe wrong in my part.  wehre would I 
look for remedios.  I am assuming that Jose was bornm late 1800 to early 1900.

I have looked on on the batismos, The writting is so tiny that I am having 
difficult reading it.  If anyone has this family or can lead me on the right 
direction I would greatly appreciat any info or leads 

Thank you

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Bretanha

[Alda Jorge]

I am looking for info on a Jose do Rego married to a Maria Arruda they were
born and married in remedios. {Bretanha]  They had a daughter that died at
the age of 25, there were more children from jose.  There is a daughter
that was born in 1931.  Unfortunaltey her mind is not allowing her to go
back in time as far as name and dates.

I have looked in Ajuda bretanha which maybe wrong in my part.  wehre would
I look for remedios.  I am assuming that Jose was bornm late 1800 to early
1900.

I have looked on on the batismos, The writting is so tiny that I am having
difficult reading it.  If anyone has this family or can lead me on the
right direction I would greatly appreciat any info or leads

Thank you

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another translation from Ajuda Bretanha

[Cheri Mello]

Joanne M,

I do the adoptive lines from my point of view.  If I have Manuel and Maria
(who are relatives - direct or collateral) in my line who adopted baby
Pocahontas, I don't trace baby Pocahontas' parents as they aren't in my
tree.  And that's just because it's my point of view and who is related to
me.  Do whatever is comfortable for you.

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[Cheri Mello]

In parts of my family, if your cousins were old enough to be your aunt and
uncle, you called them aunt and uncle.  So this "aunt" may be a title only
as Eileen stated.

Linda J needs to find the baptism of Leonor in Sao Sebastiao in Ponta
Delgada on Sao Miguel island.  Not just any Leonor on any island that kind
of seems to fit.  Maybe then the "aunt" story will make sense.  Then again,
maybe not.  But since her paper trail has so far pointed to S.Sebastiao in
Ponta Delgada on S.Miguel island, she needs to look there.  If I were
researching George Washington, who was born in Virginia, I wouldn't go
looking for him in Massachusetts.  Sure, I'd probably find one, but it's
not good genealogy practice to go jumping states when everything points to
Virginia.

Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Pedro records online CCa

[Pam Santos]

Actually only baptism for now


On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Pam Santos  wrote:

> So they have added Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada online on CCA site.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Pedro records online CCa

[Pam Santos]

So they have added Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada online on CCA site.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another translation from Ajuda Bretanha

[CaraBela]

In PAF 5 you can have two sets of parents listed & show one set as  being 
adopted. They have about 5 choices for relationship to child.
Sherry
 
 
In a message dated 10/25/2013 6:19:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
musicmavene...@gmail.com writes:

Thanks,  Cheri and João for your input on this.  I currently have PAF 5 and 
am  looking to move to Heredis 2014 since it is Mac based so I will look 
into how  or if I can label these parents as adoptive.


My next question would be - do I bother to research the Benevides line  
since they are not biological? Or maybe I should just find out who Francisco's  
adoptive siblings were?  Since I can't research the biological on him any  
further I think I'd at least like to have a snapshot of his family life with 
 the the Benevides'.  


Joanne

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[Eileen Leite]

And perhaps the ‘aunt’ was by title only, and not a blood relative.  So many
mysteries in family history! 

 

Eileen

 

 

Cheri,

 

Sorry to correct you on this, but if she was raised by her aunt, her parents
can't be that unknown... 

 

,,,

It does say that the parents are not married, which would make sense if they
later gave her to a relative to raise her. And that they are all residents
and baptized in São Sebastião.

 

Linda, you need to find some data on this aunt of hers. What was her name?
Was she married? To who? Did she have children? When did she die? Without
that, even if this is the right Leonor you'll never be sure.

 

Regards,

 

João C. Ventura

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another translation from Ajuda Bretanha

[Joanne Mercier]

Thanks, Cheri and João for your input on this.  I currently have PAF 5 and am 
looking to move to Heredis 2014 since it is Mac based so I will look into how 
or if I can label these parents as adoptive.  

My next question would be - do I bother to research the Benevides line since 
they are not biological? Or maybe I should just find out who Francisco's 
adoptive siblings were?  Since I can't research the biological on him any 
further I think I'd at least like to have a snapshot of his family life with 
the the Benevides'.  

Joanne

On Oct 25, 2013, at 4:18 AM, João Ventura  wrote:

> Hi Cheri and Joanne
> 
> Yes, creating two families (two sets of parents) is also possible. But in 
> this case, his biological parents are unknowns.. I don't think it's useful to 
> create such a 1-person family. Depending on the program, you can set what 
> type of relationship the parents have to the child, and marking this one as 
> adopted should suffice to say that these aren't the biological ones..
> 
> I'd clearly add the Benevides as parents of Francisco, not simply as notes. 
> These were for all purposes the only parents he knew. However, there's no 
> denying that the DNA is from someone else..
> 
> João
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 7:00:44 PM UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:
> Joanne M,
> 
> I haven't been following this thread closely.  I just noticed you are talking 
> about a biological versus an "adopted" type parentage.
> 
> In my genealogy program, my cousin has 2 sets of parents:  biological and 
> adoptive.  My genealogy program allows for this.  And I really should say 
> it's not parents. It's just dad.  He has a  biological dad and the dad who 
> raised him and legally adopted him.
> Cheri Mello
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> Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[João Ventura]

Hi all,

Then again, this is all mooted by the revelations in another thread that 
this is the wrong island...

It doesn't invalidate the fact that if she was raised by an aunt, then it 
would be possible to at least deduce some of her ancestors. But for that, 
it all starts with finding out who this aunt was.

João

On Friday, October 25, 2013 10:39:56 AM UTC+2, João Ventura wrote:
>
> Cheri,
>
> Sorry to correct you on this, but if she was raised by her aunt, her 
> parents can't be that unknown... 
>
> Anyway, the baptism for this Leonor states the following:
>
> Date of baptism: 15-11-1863
> Date of birth: 2-11-1863
> Name: Leonor
> Father: Manuel Silveira (Maneca?)
> Mother: Claudina Augusta
> Paternal grandparents: João Pacheco & Maria Josefa
> Maternal grandparents: Claudio Joaquim & Joaquina Claudina
> Godparents: Francisco José (Correa?) & Maria Josefa
>
> It does say that the parents are not married, which would make sense if 
> they later gave her to a relative to raise her. And that they are all 
> residents and baptized in São Sebastião.
>
> Linda, you need to find some data on this aunt of hers. What was her name? 
> Was she married? To who? Did she have children? When did she die? Without 
> that, even if this is the right Leonor you'll never be sure.
>
> Regards,
>
> João C. Ventura
>
> On Friday, October 25, 2013 12:09:39 AM UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> This record is not for a Leonor whose parents are unknown.  They state 
>> her parents, so it's the wrong one.
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>> Tainhas, Achada 
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[João Ventura]

Cheri,

Sorry to correct you on this, but if she was raised by her aunt, her 
parents can't be that unknown... 

Anyway, the baptism for this Leonor states the following:

Date of baptism: 15-11-1863
Date of birth: 2-11-1863
Name: Leonor
Father: Manuel Silveira (Maneca?)
Mother: Claudina Augusta
Paternal grandparents: João Pacheco & Maria Josefa
Maternal grandparents: Claudio Joaquim & Joaquina Claudina
Godparents: Francisco José (Correa?) & Maria Josefa

It does say that the parents are not married, which would make sense if 
they later gave her to a relative to raise her. And that they are all 
residents and baptized in São Sebastião.

Linda, you need to find some data on this aunt of hers. What was her name? 
Was she married? To who? Did she have children? When did she die? Without 
that, even if this is the right Leonor you'll never be sure.

Regards,

João C. Ventura

On Friday, October 25, 2013 12:09:39 AM UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> This record is not for a Leonor whose parents are unknown.  They state her 
> parents, so it's the wrong one.
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Tainhas, Achada 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Another translation from Ajuda Bretanha

[João Ventura]

Hi Cheri and Joanne

Yes, creating two families (two sets of parents) is also possible. But in 
this case, his biological parents are unknowns.. I don't think it's useful 
to create such a 1-person family. Depending on the program, you can set 
what type of relationship the parents have to the child, and marking this 
one as adopted should suffice to say that these aren't the biological ones..

I'd clearly add the Benevides as parents of Francisco, not simply as notes. 
These were for all purposes the only parents he knew. However, there's no 
denying that the DNA is from someone else..

João


On Tuesday, October 22, 2013 7:00:44 PM UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Joanne M,
>
> I haven't been following this thread closely.  I just noticed you are 
> talking about a biological versus an "adopted" type parentage.
>
> In my genealogy program, my cousin has 2 sets of parents:  biological and 
> adoptive.  My genealogy program allows for this.  And I really should say 
> it's not parents. It's just dad.  He has a  biological dad and the dad who 
> raised him and legally adopted him.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada 
>

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