Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites
Brenda, Do you know which freguesia your Mouras' and Figueiredos' are from? I might have some information for you. Tish On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Brenda Silva Pires bpires1...@gmail.com wrote: I have Mouras and Figuerido sorry if I spelled these wrong. On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 3:05:32 PM UTC-4, Ângela Loura wrote: Hi Brenda, Which family surnames from Santa Maria are you looking for? 2015-03-22 18:37 GMT+00:00 Tomas Leal toma...@comcast.net: On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 5:19:17 PM UTC-7, Rosemarie wrote: . . . If you are searching Pico or Faial, there is another site: www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt. I've tried using this site, as some ancestors come from Praia do Almoxarife. However, the bulk of my ancestors are from Flamengos, just inland from both Praia and Horta. Anyone have any idea why the records from Flamengos are not available on this site? On the chance records may have been moved, I did check all three parishes of Horta but turned up nothing matching any of the names I have. Frustrating! Unfortunately, I don't have any dates for anyone earlier than my great-grandparents (both born in Flamengos), so I'd have to go page by page in the online copy of Flamengos records until I hit something--a task that would clearly take the equivalent of many weeks of non-stop searching. I was hoping to find a shortcut. Sigh! Tomás Leal Flamengos, Faial: Leal, Silveira, da Costa Prair do Almoxarife, Faial: de Vargas, Dias, Dutra, Henriques, Pereira -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- sfig Researching Island: Santa Maria Freguesia: Santa Barbara -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Little help with Passport
Bob, That time period in Angra has pictures?!?!?!!? You lucky people! Antonio Machado Evangelho is 26 years of age, son of Antonio Machado Evangelho and of Maria da Conceicao, native of the freguesia of Ribeirinha, council of Angra do Heroisimo, he's passenger (or passaporte) number 202. Not sure of the rest. Cheri On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:44 PM, BOBCAMSCPW via Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com wrote: Hi everyone. I am looking for a little help understanding Passport. The one I have attached, from what I can understand belongs to Antonio Machado Evangelho, his parents are Antonio Machado Evangelho and Maria, not sure of the last name. I am not sure on the rest http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1929-1937/PASSAPORTES-TER-1929-1937_item1/P13.html Thank you *Bob Camacho* Researching the Island of Terceira for da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera Researching the Island of Graciosa for Reis Researching the Island of Madeira for Camacho Researching Brazil for Evangelho -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with parent's birth location on daughter's baptism
Amy F, 11 lines from the bottom. (from domestica; hyphened from line above)... -mestica, naturaes (estado?) Santis- simo Salvador do something de lu- gar da Ribeirinha onde foram receibidos So it says that they are natives of Santissimo Salvador of the place of Ribeirinha where they where married... Because I've never researched there, I went to the Azores GenWeb and pointed to Maps and picked Sao Miguel. Then I searched for Ribeirinha and found out that the church is indeed Santissmo Salvador. And that Kathy is missing the link to the CCA for that church. That's OK, it seems like you know how to find those records. Happy hunting, Cheri On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 4:24 PM, familyfrancispho...@gmail.com wrote: I am having trouble figuring out if the parents of Aldina Pereira (no 121) in her baptism record are from same parish. link below. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1885-1889_item1/P418.html Thank you Amy Francis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] francisco family in agua retorta sao miguel
Thank you so much for this great source of records! I am going to start looking now. Amy Francis On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 7:27:56 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: FamilyFrancisPhotos (do you have a real name?), The Azorean government has the records up to 1911 or so for most freguesias online at their CCA site. It's much easier to navigate through the tombo.pt and let that site link you back to the CCA. Agua Retorta only goes up to 1905 online. So pick someone older. And with a less common name. tombo.pt Stay in the left column and drill down: Azores Sao Miguel Povoacao Agua Retorta. Get into the baptisms and look for Ernesto born to a Jose Francisco or possibly Jose Francisco Pereira (Terceira is an island and not a surname) in 1886 or 1888. Good luck, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Little help with Passport
Hi everyone. I am looking for a little help understanding Passport. The one I have attached, from what I can understand belongs to Antonio Machado Evangelho, his parents are Antonio Machado Evangelho and Maria, not sure of the last name. I am not sure on the rest http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1929-19 37/PASSAPORTES-TER-1929-1937_item1/P13.html Thank you Bob Camacho Researching the Island of Terceira for da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera Researching the Island of Graciosa for Reis Researching the Island of Madeira for Camacho Researching Brazil for Evangelho -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Angra Passports at CCA available
Thanks Rosemarie.;) I've come to that conclusion but since I only have family stories that are distant as I am, I'm trying to search everywhere! Impossible really with only his name and possible birth year.;) Have fun in SLC! I sure wish I could go again, but not going to make it.;( Your Cousin! ♥Edna dave-e...@comcast.net John 5:30 NIV By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. On Mar 23, 2015, at 3:38 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci rcap...@gmail.com wrote: Edna, if he was on a whaler, he is not on the passporte lists. Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com mailto:rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Edna Epps dave-e...@comcast.net mailto:dave-e...@comcast.net wrote: Thank you Joao and all the others on here. I'm searching a Gt Grandfather from Flores, Manuel Crovelle (USA version), and have not had much luck cause I don't know his parents or village that he came from. I just had a Y-37 DNA test done on the only male Crovelle I know in the line, so am anxious to see what it shows. It is on the way back to FTDNA right now to be processed. Family history says our Manuel left Flores in about 1844 on a whaling ship...and after 10 yrs or so on whaling ships off both east and west coasts of USA, he finally landed in San Francisco area and made it to northern Calif near Yreka, Calif. Anyhow I have been watching your posts and gleaning a bit of information, so just wanted to thank all of you who share on here. Edna Lemos Epps dave-e...@comcast.net mailto:dave-e...@comcast.net On Mar 23, 2015, at 12:46 PM, João Ventura j...@venturas.org mailto:j...@venturas.org wrote: Hi, As Cheri answered, you should look first to Horta, and then to the other districts. To understand what's going on here you need to understand a bit of the administrative history of the Azores.. When the Azores districts were formed, there were basically two: one in Angra and the other in Ponta Delgada. Horta then managed to get it's district created out of the other two. Wikipedia explains it a lot better than I can: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horta_(district) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horta_(district) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponta_Delgada_(district) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponta_Delgada_(district) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Azores#Liberal_wars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Azores#Liberal_wars That of course explains why there are three 'district' archives. In mainland Portugal we have 18 of these districts, and each also has a separate archive. So, the official district for Flores would be Horta, but it may be that the persons you're looking for first went to Angra or to Ponta Delgada, and you might also look there. However, the most likely explanation, and you can see that story in one my wife's ancestors on the link below is that passengers from Flores sailed directly from Flores to the US without getting a passport. The passengers of the Peninsular or the other boats that did the Azores-America immigration routes passing through Flores embarked their last passengers on this port and then sailed to the US. They never got a passport because there was no one able to give them those papers in Santa Cruz das Flores, as it wasn't a district capital. This particular story of José Tomás Dias (that Eric helped a lot in researching) was that he immigrated for the first time in 1898 straight from Flores on the Peninsular, and stayed in the US until about 1910, when he returned to Flores, married and started a family. In 1913 he returned to the US, but this time he had to get a passport in Horta since the Companhia Insulana de Navegação (CIN) had abandoned the US route as they simply couldn't compete with the big steamers of the time. He took a boat from Horta to Ponta Delgada where he then boarded the Cretic to go to the US, where he stayed until about 1920, when he return for good to Flores. Note that he never got a passport on his first trip, and on the second his passport from Horta was good enough that he didn't need a second one from Ponta Delgada to board the Cretic. http://venturas.org/familytree/individual.php?pid=I49ged=venturas http://venturas.org/familytree/individual.php?pid=I49ged=venturas Best regards, João C Ventura https://tombo.pt/en https://tombo.pt/en On Monday, 23 March 2015 06:45:18 UTC+1, luiznoia wrote: I've read about 50 years of the Horta passports now and find very few Flores residents on them. Less than one person per two pages. So, maybe 1 percent I'm hoping Angra turns up more. The format of the Angra passports is very different, a book entry for each passport rather than the table form that Horta uses. Less information is given. Eric Edgar On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: where would I look?
I've seen some Achadinha cross over to Achada too. It's the next freguesia over. Their records go back to the late 1600s and are in rally bad shape. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] help with parent's birth location on daughter's baptism
I am having trouble figuring out if the parents of Aldina Pereira (no 121) in her baptism record are from same parish. link below. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1885-1889_item1/P418.html Thank you Amy Francis -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: where would I look?
Look towards Nordeste On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 7:17:55 PM UTC-4, Pat Sylvia wrote: Hi, I'm looking for 2 baptism records in Achadinha. The records only go back to the 1700's. My records that I'm looking for are 1697 back. Would there be another church that they would of gone to or is that the end of the line? Thanks Pat Mello. Spring is finely here,or is it? Temps was 17degress this morning. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] francisco family in agua retorta sao miguel
That is definitely a match for Ernesto. Thank you so much for your efforts. Amy Francis On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 1:52:41 PM UTC-4, EResendes wrote: I found this baptism that might be a match Feb. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1880-1889/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1880-1889_item1/P130.html The baptism was in Agua Retorta and parents were from Agua de Pau. On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 7:27:56 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: FamilyFrancisPhotos (do you have a real name?), The Azorean government has the records up to 1911 or so for most freguesias online at their CCA site. It's much easier to navigate through the tombo.pt and let that site link you back to the CCA. Agua Retorta only goes up to 1905 online. So pick someone older. And with a less common name. tombo.pt Stay in the left column and drill down: Azores Sao Miguel Povoacao Agua Retorta. Get into the baptisms and look for Ernesto born to a Jose Francisco or possibly Jose Francisco Pereira (Terceira is an island and not a surname) in 1886 or 1888. Good luck, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Angra Passports at CCA available
Edna, wish you were going to be with us too! Maybe next time. Keep searching but if he was a whaler and it was a Portuguese ship there was no passporte. I don't believe that there would have been one if it wasn't a Portuguese Whaler either, they just recruited men and off they went! Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Edna Epps dave-e...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks Rosemarie.;) I've come to that conclusion but since I only have family stories that are distant as I am, I'm trying to search everywhere! Impossible really with only his name and possible birth year.;) Have fun in SLC! I sure wish I could go again, but not going to make it.;( Your Cousin! ♥Edna dave-e...@comcast.net *John 5:30 NIV* By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. On Mar 23, 2015, at 3:38 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci rcap...@gmail.com wrote: Edna, if he was on a whaler, he is not on the passporte lists. Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Edna Epps dave-e...@comcast.net wrote: Thank you Joao and all the others on here. I'm searching a Gt Grandfather from Flores, Manuel Crovelle (USA version), and have not had much luck cause I don't know his parents or village that he came from. I just had a Y-37 DNA test done on the only male Crovelle I know in the line, so am anxious to see what it shows. It is on the way back to FTDNA right now to be processed. Family history says our Manuel left Flores in about 1844 on a whaling ship...and after 10 yrs or so on whaling ships off both east and west coasts of USA, he finally landed in San Francisco area and made it to northern Calif near Yreka, Calif. Anyhow I have been watching your posts and gleaning a bit of information, so just wanted to thank all of you who share on here. Edna Lemos Epps dave-e...@comcast.net On Mar 23, 2015, at 12:46 PM, João Ventura j...@venturas.org wrote: Hi, As Cheri answered, you should look first to Horta, and then to the other districts. To understand what's going on here you need to understand a bit of the administrative history of the Azores.. When the Azores districts were formed, there were basically two: one in Angra and the other in Ponta Delgada. Horta then managed to get it's district created out of the other two. Wikipedia explains it a lot better than I can: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horta_(district) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponta_Delgada_(district) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Azores#Liberal_wars That of course explains why there are three 'district' archives. In mainland Portugal we have 18 of these districts, and each also has a separate archive. So, the official district for Flores would be Horta, but it may be that the persons you're looking for first went to Angra or to Ponta Delgada, and you might also look there. However, the most likely explanation, and you can see that story in one my wife's ancestors on the link below is that passengers from Flores sailed directly from Flores to the US without getting a passport. The passengers of the Peninsular or the other boats that did the Azores-America immigration routes passing through Flores embarked their last passengers on this port and then sailed to the US. They never got a passport because there was no one able to give them those papers in Santa Cruz das Flores, as it wasn't a district capital. This particular story of José Tomás Dias (that Eric helped a lot in researching) was that he immigrated for the first time in 1898 straight from Flores on the Peninsular, and stayed in the US until about 1910, when he returned to Flores, married and started a family. In 1913 he returned to the US, but this time he had to get a passport in Horta since the Companhia Insulana de Navegação (CIN) had abandoned the US route as they simply couldn't compete with the big steamers of the time. He took a boat from Horta to Ponta Delgada where he then boarded the Cretic to go to the US, where he stayed until about 1920, when he return for good to Flores. Note that he never got a passport on his first trip, and on the second his passport from Horta was good enough that he didn't need a second one from Ponta Delgada to board the Cretic. http://venturas.org/familytree/individual.php?pid=I49ged=venturas Best regards, João C Ventura https://tombo.pt/en On Monday, 23 March 2015 06:45:18 UTC+1, luiznoia wrote: I've read about 50 years of the Horta passports now and find very few Flores residents on them. Less than one person per two pages. So, maybe 1 percent I'm hoping Angra turns up more. The format of the Angra passports is very different, a book entry
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites
All I know is that their daughter was born in santa Barbara. On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 8:53:37 AM UTC-4, sfig wrote: Brenda, Do you know which freguesia your Mouras' and Figueiredos' are from? I might have some information for you. Tish On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Brenda Silva Pires bpire...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I have Mouras and Figuerido sorry if I spelled these wrong. On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 3:05:32 PM UTC-4, Ângela Loura wrote: Hi Brenda, Which family surnames from Santa Maria are you looking for? 2015-03-22 18:37 GMT+00:00 Tomas Leal toma...@comcast.net: On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 5:19:17 PM UTC-7, Rosemarie wrote: . . . If you are searching Pico or Faial, there is another site: www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt. I've tried using this site, as some ancestors come from Praia do Almoxarife. However, the bulk of my ancestors are from Flamengos, just inland from both Praia and Horta. Anyone have any idea why the records from Flamengos are not available on this site? On the chance records may have been moved, I did check all three parishes of Horta but turned up nothing matching any of the names I have. Frustrating! Unfortunately, I don't have any dates for anyone earlier than my great-grandparents (both born in Flamengos), so I'd have to go page by page in the online copy of Flamengos records until I hit something--a task that would clearly take the equivalent of many weeks of non-stop searching. I was hoping to find a shortcut. Sigh! Tomás Leal Flamengos, Faial: Leal, Silveira, da Costa Prair do Almoxarife, Faial: de Vargas, Dias, Dutra, Henriques, Pereira -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- sfig Researching Island: Santa Maria Freguesia: Santa Barbara -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites
Brenda; Please share with us what information you have on these surnames. (Full names, dob, spouses names, etc., etc. I also have these Santa Maria surnames. If you prefer to keep is private, which I don’t advise, my email is sammyk at yahoo.com at = @, no spaces. Sam in Maz Sent from Windows Mail From: Brenda Silva Pires Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 2:57 PM To: Azores@googlegroups.com I have Mouras and Figuerido sorry if I spelled these wrong. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Angra Passports at CCA available
Hi, As Cheri answered, you should look first to Horta, and then to the other districts. To understand what's going on here you need to understand a bit of the administrative history of the Azores.. When the Azores districts were formed, there were basically two: one in Angra and the other in Ponta Delgada. Horta then managed to get it's district created out of the other two. Wikipedia explains it a lot better than I can: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horta_(district) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponta_Delgada_(district) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Azores#Liberal_wars That of course explains why there are three 'district' archives. In mainland Portugal we have 18 of these districts, and each also has a separate archive. So, the official district for Flores would be Horta, but it may be that the persons you're looking for first went to Angra or to Ponta Delgada, and you might also look there. However, the most likely explanation, and you can see that story in one my wife's ancestors on the link below is that passengers from Flores sailed directly from Flores to the US without getting a passport. The passengers of the Peninsular or the other boats that did the Azores-America immigration routes passing through Flores embarked their last passengers on this port and then sailed to the US. They never got a passport because there was no one able to give them those papers in Santa Cruz das Flores, as it wasn't a district capital. This particular story of José Tomás Dias (that Eric helped a lot in researching) was that he immigrated for the first time in 1898 straight from Flores on the Peninsular, and stayed in the US until about 1910, when he returned to Flores, married and started a family. In 1913 he returned to the US, but this time he had to get a passport in Horta since the Companhia Insulana de Navegação (CIN) had abandoned the US route as they simply couldn't compete with the big steamers of the time. He took a boat from Horta to Ponta Delgada where he then boarded the Cretic to go to the US, where he stayed until about 1920, when he return for good to Flores. Note that he never got a passport on his first trip, and on the second his passport from Horta was good enough that he didn't need a second one from Ponta Delgada to board the Cretic. http://venturas.org/familytree/individual.php?pid=I49ged=venturas Best regards, João C Ventura https://tombo.pt/en On Monday, 23 March 2015 06:45:18 UTC+1, luiznoia wrote: I've read about 50 years of the Horta passports now and find very few Flores residents on them. Less than one person per two pages. So, maybe 1 percent I'm hoping Angra turns up more. The format of the Angra passports is very different, a book entry for each passport rather than the table form that Horta uses. Less information is given. Eric Edgar On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Brenda SP, The 3 ports for the Azores are: Horta on Faial Angra on Terceira Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel Since Flores is closest to Horta, I'd look there first. If they needed to get out though, they could have caught the next ship, regardless of the port. Most sailed from the port closest to them though. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Passport question
If a person was born in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil to parents who were both born in Terceira, was that child a citizen of Rio or of the Azores? That child ended up back on Terceira. Would he need a passport to leave the Azores again, like for America? Or because he was not a citizen of the Azores, did he not require one? Kathy ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eazrwgw/index.html Climb Our Family Tree: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kmacar/Kathy/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kmacar/Wayne/ ~~~ -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites
I have Jacinta Umblina de Figuerido born 1864 her parents were Antonio Soares Mouras 1830 married to Maria Jasintha Figuerdo. Antonios parents were Manuel Mouras and Barbara Joaquina. Maria's parents were Ignacio Soares Moreira and Joaquina Rosa de Figuerido, I believe her parents were Anonio Paiva adn Mara Rosa Figuerido. On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 1:40:38 PM UTC-4, nancy jean baptiste wrote: Please, I agree with SamI have Santa Maria shared surnames also. Nancy Jean -- From: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:30:31 + Brenda; Please share with us what information you have on these surnames. (Full names, dob, spouses names, etc., etc. I also have these Santa Maria surnames. If you prefer to keep is private, which I don’t advise, my email is sammyk at yahoo.com at = @, no spaces. Sam in Maz Sent from Windows Mail *From:* Brenda Silva Pires javascript: *Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2015 2:57 PM *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: I have Mouras and Figuerido sorry if I spelled these wrong. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites
I have from Santa Maria island: Anna de Moura, born in Sao Pedro, Santa Maria, Azores She died 29 Dec 1737, in Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores. She was married to: Manoel de Mello, born about 1648, in Sao Pedro, Santa Maria, Azores. He died 28 Dec 1728, In Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores. I descend from their daughter Maria de Mello, born about 1689, in Sao Pedro, Santa Maria, Azores. Maria was their first child that I found. Maria probably died after 14 Dec 1734, in Ponta Garca, Sao Miguel, Azores. I haven't found her death info yet. I tried looking at the film for Sao Pedro, Santa Maria, but couldn't find anything as the pages look like confetti. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Tish M To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites Brenda, Do you know which freguesia your Mouras' and Figueiredos' are from? I might have some information for you. Tish On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Brenda Silva Pires bpires1...@gmail.com wrote: I have Mouras and Figuerido sorry if I spelled these wrong. On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 3:05:32 PM UTC-4, Ângela Loura wrote: Hi Brenda, Which family surnames from Santa Maria are you looking for? 2015-03-22 18:37 GMT+00:00 Tomas Leal toma...@comcast.net: On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 5:19:17 PM UTC-7, Rosemarie wrote: . . . If you are searching Pico or Faial, there is another site: www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt. I've tried using this site, as some ancestors come from Praia do Almoxarife. However, the bulk of my ancestors are from Flamengos, just inland from both Praia and Horta. Anyone have any idea why the records from Flamengos are not available on this site? On the chance records may have been moved, I did check all three parishes of Horta but turned up nothing matching any of the names I have. Frustrating! Unfortunately, I don't have any dates for anyone earlier than my great-grandparents (both born in Flamengos), so I'd have to go page by page in the online copy of Flamengos records until I hit something--a task that would clearly take the equivalent of many weeks of non-stop searching. I was hoping to find a shortcut. Sigh! Tomás Leal Flamengos, Faial: Leal, Silveira, da Costa Prair do Almoxarife, Faial: de Vargas, Dias, Dutra, Henriques, Pereira -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- sfig Researching Island: Santa Maria Freguesia: Santa Barbara -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Angra Passports at CCA available
Thank you Joao and all the others on here. I'm searching a Gt Grandfather from Flores, Manuel Crovelle (USA version), and have not had much luck cause I don't know his parents or village that he came from. I just had a Y-37 DNA test done on the only male Crovelle I know in the line, so am anxious to see what it shows. It is on the way back to FTDNA right now to be processed. Family history says our Manuel left Flores in about 1844 on a whaling ship...and after 10 yrs or so on whaling ships off both east and west coasts of USA, he finally landed in San Francisco area and made it to northern Calif near Yreka, Calif. Anyhow I have been watching your posts and gleaning a bit of information, so just wanted to thank all of you who share on here. Edna Lemos Epps dave-e...@comcast.net On Mar 23, 2015, at 12:46 PM, João Ventura j...@venturas.org wrote: Hi, As Cheri answered, you should look first to Horta, and then to the other districts. To understand what's going on here you need to understand a bit of the administrative history of the Azores.. When the Azores districts were formed, there were basically two: one in Angra and the other in Ponta Delgada. Horta then managed to get it's district created out of the other two. Wikipedia explains it a lot better than I can: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horta_(district) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponta_Delgada_(district) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Azores#Liberal_wars That of course explains why there are three 'district' archives. In mainland Portugal we have 18 of these districts, and each also has a separate archive. So, the official district for Flores would be Horta, but it may be that the persons you're looking for first went to Angra or to Ponta Delgada, and you might also look there. However, the most likely explanation, and you can see that story in one my wife's ancestors on the link below is that passengers from Flores sailed directly from Flores to the US without getting a passport. The passengers of the Peninsular or the other boats that did the Azores-America immigration routes passing through Flores embarked their last passengers on this port and then sailed to the US. They never got a passport because there was no one able to give them those papers in Santa Cruz das Flores, as it wasn't a district capital. This particular story of José Tomás Dias (that Eric helped a lot in researching) was that he immigrated for the first time in 1898 straight from Flores on the Peninsular, and stayed in the US until about 1910, when he returned to Flores, married and started a family. In 1913 he returned to the US, but this time he had to get a passport in Horta since the Companhia Insulana de Navegação (CIN) had abandoned the US route as they simply couldn't compete with the big steamers of the time. He took a boat from Horta to Ponta Delgada where he then boarded the Cretic to go to the US, where he stayed until about 1920, when he return for good to Flores. Note that he never got a passport on his first trip, and on the second his passport from Horta was good enough that he didn't need a second one from Ponta Delgada to board the Cretic. http://venturas.org/familytree/individual.php?pid=I49ged=venturas Best regards, João C Ventura https://tombo.pt/en On Monday, 23 March 2015 06:45:18 UTC+1, luiznoia wrote: I've read about 50 years of the Horta passports now and find very few Flores residents on them. Less than one person per two pages. So, maybe 1 percent I'm hoping Angra turns up more. The format of the Angra passports is very different, a book entry for each passport rather than the table form that Horta uses. Less information is given. Eric Edgar On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Brenda SP, The 3 ports for the Azores are: Horta on Faial Angra on Terceira Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel Since Flores is closest to Horta, I'd look there first. If they needed to get out though, they could have caught the next ship, regardless of the port. Most sailed from the port closest to them though. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode,
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question
Gail Holy Sepulchre is in HAYWARD, CA. Not Oakland. - Original Message - From: Gail Elizares To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:06 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question Shirley this is what I know Parents Jose de Souza and Maria Ignacio Son – Caitano de Souza (also known as Quitao or Guitao or Caton) Born @ 1860 Sao Miguel Died @ 1933 buried at St. Mary’s Oakland, CA Wife – Maria Ferreira – Born @ 1865 Sao Miguel, Died on Dec 27, 1900 buried in Hilo, HI (couldn’t locate grave as of yet) Daughter – Maria da Estella Souza Born @ 1882 Sao Miguel, never found anything else about her Daughter – Maria Souza Born @ 1883 Hawaii, married Joseph Dias lived in Brooklyn district in Oakland, CA (currently searching for death certificate) Son – Manoel de Souza Dias Born @ 1884 Hawaii, married Teresa de Silva, last known in Oahu (still searching on him) Son – Joaquin Souza Dias Born @ 1887 Hawaii, married Mary Oliveira Branco, (my grandparents) both buried in Paauilo, Hawaii Son – Caesar Souza Born @ 1893 Hawaii, married Marianna da Palma, both buried at Holy Sepulchre in Oakland, CA Daughter – Rosaline de Souza Born@ 1894 Hawaii, married Joseph Moniz Lindinha both buried at St. Mary’s Oakland, CA Son – John Souza Born @ 1896 Hawaii, (I think passed away because in 1900 census but not in 1910.) Gail From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Allegre Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 1:58 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question Do you have any idea where these people died? Do you know how old they were? About when they were born? I have been looking at all of the sources that I have, and cqn not find them on a ship's list. Do you know the names, ages, place of birth of all of their children? Have you ever found them on the Hawaii census? Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Gail Elizares To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 9:19 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question Hi Shirley, I’m not sure if a child came with them. I don’t know if it is accurate but I show a child name Maria born in 1882 and approximate date of marriage 1883. They show a second child name Maria da Estrella Souza born in 1883 in Hawaii. Second Maria married Joseph Dias and lived in Alameda County. I tried ordering death certificates covering 1931 through 1935 but they couldn’t find any. They are double checking with the state to make sure they didn’t die during that period. If it comes back a no record found I will try to order another death certificate covering the next five years. I’m doing this because I can’t find them in the 1940 census so I think they died during that period. It seems like at one point there were two Maria’s in Hawaii but I’m not sure. Gail From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Allegre Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 9:22 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question Gail: Do you know if your grandparents had any children with them when they went to Hawaii Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Gail Elizares To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question I’m having a hard time finding my grandfather and grandmother on a passport or ship list. They came from Sao Miguel and their names are Quitao de Souza aka Caitano Souza, and his wife was Maria Ferreira Souza. I do know they came to Hawaii in 1883. I’m still trying to find if their names are on the ship list. Gail Souza Dias Elizares From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sonia Pacheco Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:54 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport/passenger list question Please reply directly to me, thank you. I am currently doing some research on illegal emigration from Portugal to the United States during the time period (roughly) between 1890-1910. If you had a relative who emigrated during this time period and you have either their passport but not their name on a passenger list OR you have found their name on a passenger list but have not found their passport, can you please email me directly? I am only trying to compile some rough numbers regarding how many people may have travailed illegally from Portugal to the United States. My research has shown, so far, that many individuals were
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport question
I wonder if that depends on the time period in history. What years? Cheri On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@mac.com wrote: If a person was born in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil to parents who were both born in Terceira, was that child a citizen of Rio or of the Azores? That child ended up back on Terceira. Would he need a passport to leave the Azores again, like for America? Or because he was not a citizen of the Azores, did he not require one? Kathy ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html Climb Our Family Tree: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kmacar/Kathy/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kmacar/Wayne/ ~~~ -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites
I still have the films for Flamengos, Faial. (My husband has ancestors from there.) Who are you looking for? ie: names, dates, etc. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Tomas Leal To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 5:19:17 PM UTC-7, Rosemarie wrote: . . . If you are searching Pico or Faial, there is another site: www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt. I've tried using this site, as some ancestors come from Praia do Almoxarife. However, the bulk of my ancestors are from Flamengos, just inland from both Praia and Horta. Anyone have any idea why the records from Flamengos are not available on this site? On the chance records may have been moved, I did check all three parishes of Horta but turned up nothing matching any of the names I have. Frustrating! Unfortunately, I don't have any dates for anyone earlier than my great-grandparents (both born in Flamengos), so I'd have to go page by page in the online copy of Flamengos records until I hit something--a task that would clearly take the equivalent of many weeks of non-stop searching. I was hoping to find a shortcut. Sigh! Tomás Leal Flamengos, Faial: Leal, Silveira, da Costa Prair do Almoxarife, Faial: de Vargas, Dias, Dutra, Henriques, Pereira -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] francisco family in agua retorta sao miguel
I found this baptism that might be a match Feb. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1880-1889/SMG-PV-AGUARETORTA-B-1880-1889_item1/P130.html The baptism was in Agua Retorta and parents were from Agua de Pau. On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 7:27:56 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: FamilyFrancisPhotos (do you have a real name?), The Azorean government has the records up to 1911 or so for most freguesias online at their CCA site. It's much easier to navigate through the tombo.pt and let that site link you back to the CCA. Agua Retorta only goes up to 1905 online. So pick someone older. And with a less common name. tombo.pt Stay in the left column and drill down: Azores Sao Miguel Povoacao Agua Retorta. Get into the baptisms and look for Ernesto born to a Jose Francisco or possibly Jose Francisco Pereira (Terceira is an island and not a surname) in 1886 or 1888. Good luck, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites
Please, I agree with SamI have Santa Maria shared surnames also. Nancy Jean From: azores@googlegroups.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:30:31 + Brenda; Please share with us what information you have on these surnames. (Full names, dob, spouses names, etc., etc. I also have these Santa Maria surnames. If you prefer to keep is private, which I don’t advise, my email is sammyk at yahoo.com at = @, no spaces. Sam in Maz Sent from Windows Mail From: Brenda Silva Pires Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 2:57 PM To: Azores@googlegroups.com I have Mouras and Figuerido sorry if I spelled these wrong. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Angra Passports at CCA available
Edna, if he was on a whaler, he is not on the passporte lists. Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Edna Epps dave-e...@comcast.net wrote: Thank you Joao and all the others on here. I'm searching a Gt Grandfather from Flores, Manuel Crovelle (USA version), and have not had much luck cause I don't know his parents or village that he came from. I just had a Y-37 DNA test done on the only male Crovelle I know in the line, so am anxious to see what it shows. It is on the way back to FTDNA right now to be processed. Family history says our Manuel left Flores in about 1844 on a whaling ship...and after 10 yrs or so on whaling ships off both east and west coasts of USA, he finally landed in San Francisco area and made it to northern Calif near Yreka, Calif. Anyhow I have been watching your posts and gleaning a bit of information, so just wanted to thank all of you who share on here. Edna Lemos Epps dave-e...@comcast.net On Mar 23, 2015, at 12:46 PM, João Ventura j...@venturas.org wrote: Hi, As Cheri answered, you should look first to Horta, and then to the other districts. To understand what's going on here you need to understand a bit of the administrative history of the Azores.. When the Azores districts were formed, there were basically two: one in Angra and the other in Ponta Delgada. Horta then managed to get it's district created out of the other two. Wikipedia explains it a lot better than I can: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horta_(district) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponta_Delgada_(district) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Azores#Liberal_wars That of course explains why there are three 'district' archives. In mainland Portugal we have 18 of these districts, and each also has a separate archive. So, the official district for Flores would be Horta, but it may be that the persons you're looking for first went to Angra or to Ponta Delgada, and you might also look there. However, the most likely explanation, and you can see that story in one my wife's ancestors on the link below is that passengers from Flores sailed directly from Flores to the US without getting a passport. The passengers of the Peninsular or the other boats that did the Azores-America immigration routes passing through Flores embarked their last passengers on this port and then sailed to the US. They never got a passport because there was no one able to give them those papers in Santa Cruz das Flores, as it wasn't a district capital. This particular story of José Tomás Dias (that Eric helped a lot in researching) was that he immigrated for the first time in 1898 straight from Flores on the Peninsular, and stayed in the US until about 1910, when he returned to Flores, married and started a family. In 1913 he returned to the US, but this time he had to get a passport in Horta since the Companhia Insulana de Navegação (CIN) had abandoned the US route as they simply couldn't compete with the big steamers of the time. He took a boat from Horta to Ponta Delgada where he then boarded the Cretic to go to the US, where he stayed until about 1920, when he return for good to Flores. Note that he never got a passport on his first trip, and on the second his passport from Horta was good enough that he didn't need a second one from Ponta Delgada to board the Cretic. http://venturas.org/familytree/individual.php?pid=I49ged=venturas Best regards, João C Ventura https://tombo.pt/en On Monday, 23 March 2015 06:45:18 UTC+1, luiznoia wrote: I've read about 50 years of the Horta passports now and find very few Flores residents on them. Less than one person per two pages. So, maybe 1 percent I'm hoping Angra turns up more. The format of the Angra passports is very different, a book entry for each passport rather than the table form that Horta uses. Less information is given. Eric Edgar On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com wrote: Brenda SP, The 3 ports for the Azores are: Horta on Faial Angra on Terceira Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel Since Flores is closest to Horta, I'd look there first. If they needed to get out though, they could have caught the next ship, regardless of the port. Most sailed from the port closest to them though. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails
[AZORES-Genealogy] where would I look?
Hi, I'm looking for 2 baptism records in Achadinha. The records only go back to the 1700's. My records that I'm looking for are 1697 back. Would there be another church that they would of gone to or is that the end of the line? Thanks Pat Mello. Spring is finely here,or is it? Temps was 17degress this morning. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites
Shirley and Brenda; This is SO frustrating. I know we are all related. Just have to be with this combination of names and locales but; I can’t find the connection. I’m sure it’s just a matter of knowing the siblings of the right ancestors! Grr…… Sam in Maz Sent from Windows Mail From: Brenda Silva Pires Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 12:36 PM To: Azores@googlegroups.com Cc: fishsongf...@hotmail.com I have Jacinta Umblina de Figuerido born 1864 her parents were Antonio Soares Mouras 1830 married to Maria Jasintha Figuerdo. Antonios parents were Manuel Mouras and Barbara Joaquina. Maria's parents were Ignacio Soares Moreira and Joaquina Rosa de Figuerido, I believe her parents were Anonio Paiva adn Mara Rosa Figuerido. On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 1:40:38 PM UTC-4, nancy jean baptiste wrote: Please, I agree with SamI have Santa Maria shared surnames also. Nancy Jean From: azo...@googlegroups.com To: azo...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Other sites Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 16:30:31 + Brenda; Please share with us what information you have on these surnames. (Full names, dob, spouses names, etc., etc. I also have these Santa Maria surnames. If you prefer to keep is private, which I don’t advise, my email is sammyk at yahoo.com at = @, no spaces. Sam in Maz Sent from Windows Mail From: Brenda Silva Pires Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 2:57 PM To: azo...@googlegroups.com I have Mouras and Figuerido sorry if I spelled these wrong. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passport question
Cheri .. He was born in Rio in 1894, returned to Terceira before 1900, and emigrated to the U.S. in 1914 from Angra. I have him on a ship passenger list Kathy Cheri Mello wrote: I wonder if that depends on the time period in history. What years? Cheri On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@mac.com mailto:kmacard...@mac.com wrote: If a person was born in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil to parents who were both born in Terceira, was that child a citizen of Rio or of the Azores? That child ended up back on Terceira. Would he need a passport to leave the Azores again, like for America? Or because he was not a citizen of the Azores, did he not require one? Kathy ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eazrwgw/index.html Climb Our Family Tree: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kmacar/Kathy/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Ekmacar/Kathy/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kmacar/Wayne/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Ekmacar/Wayne/ ~~~ -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Eazrwgw/index.html Climb Our Family Tree: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kmacar/Kathy/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kmacar/Wayne/ ~~~ -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: where would I look?
Not really. But it is possible that your ancestors may be recorded in Nordeste, or even Faial da Terra, Povoacao and Vila Franca. It just depends if they are well known or from well to do families. The latter in particular had lands in may places and married into other families who were well off. Whom are you looking for? JR On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 7:17:55 PM UTC-4, Pat Sylvia wrote: Hi, I'm looking for 2 baptism records in Achadinha. The records only go back to the 1700's. My records that I'm looking for are 1697 back. Would there be another church that they would of gone to or is that the end of the line? Thanks Pat Mello. Spring is finely here,or is it? Temps was 17degress this morning. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
