Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to trace down Dona Antonia Baptism record

[LouieLouieOhOh]

Cheri and Linda,
Thanks very much!

I did find her first marriage ... Jose Joaquim De Avila in 1849. So I 
figured she was probably older than 16 ... so I'm looking through every 
baptism in Fontinhas before 1833.

I did find an Antonio in 1830 ...

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-B-1824-1855/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-B-1824-1855_item1/P42.html

Getting some rest now ... too late for me.

Louie

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviation on Marriage Record

[Cheri Mello]

I've seen Gil somewhere, but I couldn't tell you where (probably this
list). I don't think it's very common.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:50 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Awesome!
>  Thank you so much Cheri! I really appreciate the clarification. Figures
> that my record should be an oddball. ;-) my luck!
>  I'm amazed it really was Gil! I'd never seen that and due to its
> shortness I had assumed it was an abreviation.  Is Gil a fairly rare last
> name?
>
> Jeremy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviation on Marriage Record

['Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy]

Awesome!
 Thank you so much Cheri! I really appreciate the clarification. Figures that 
my record should be an oddball. ;-) my luck!
 I'm amazed it really was Gil! I'd never seen that and due to its shortness I 
had assumed it was an abreviation.  Is Gil a fairly rare last name?

Jeremy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA question

[Cheri Mello]

Two functions are there Liz and you've blurred them together.

You can do "In Common With" (or "Not In Common With") only 1 other person.

You can do the Chromosome Browser with 5 people.

Back to "In Common With"You can kind of get around it by using the
Matrix:
 [image: Inline image 1]

Joe Mendonca can tell you how to use it if you can't figure it out. Right
now, I'm working on the logistics of that video and just trying to keep up
with the DNA results that are rolling in! Yay!!
Cheri

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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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> Hi,
> When I go into my family finder and try to do the in-common with it says
> that I can link 5 people.  But when I try it only brings up one at a time.
> Can it show 5 people at once and if so how do you do that?
>
> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviation on Marriage Record

[Cheri Mello]

Bride's mom...Maria Gil, both parents deceased.

As for which of the groom's parents are deceased...It's supposed to be
AFTER  the name, unless both are deceased,then it's after her name and has
"defunctos" with the S.  Your record? Three words: Too much vinho.
Seriously though, I'm not sure what he meant. Look for a sibling of the
groom getting married to figure it out.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviation on Marriage Record

['Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy]

Darn! I must be loosing my mind! Thanks for the heads up Rosemarie! 
It is: 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1745-1781/SJR-CH-CALHETA-C-1745-1781_item1/P149.htmlLeft
 entry.
Thanks!

 
Jeremy B-CResearching: Sao Jorge, Pico, Flores, Terceira, Faial, Graciosa

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviation on Marriage Record

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

The link, Jeremy!


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Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 8:49 PM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Hello!
>
> I just unearthed the marriage record of one set of ancestors of mine.   It
> is fairly neat writing and I don't have much trouble deciphering most of it.
>
> I can make out that on November 27th 1779, Antonio de Quadros son of Antao
> Pereira de Quadros and Maria Ascencao (deasesed) married to Anna Pereira de
> Borba daughter of Simao Pereira de Cunha (deceased) and Maria (deceased).
>
> I *am* however having trouble making out Anna (the bride's) mother's last
> name Gil? It looks like an abreviation for something whatever it is
> I am certiain I am misreading it.  If anyone has any thoughts on it please
> let me know!
>
> The only other thing I would like to verify is that the grooms mother is
> deceased, not the grooms father.  I usually see defuncto after the parents
> names, but in this case it is before her name am I correct that she is
> the one that is deceased, and that Antao is living?
>
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> *Jeremy B-C*
> *Researching: Sao Jorge, Pico, Flores, Terceira, Faial, Graciosa*
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to trace down Dona Antonia Baptism record

[Cheri Mello]

You'll have to get her first marriage to find out for sure.
2nd & 3rd degree of mixed consanguinity & affinity though.

Cheri Mello
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> Thank you Sandra!
>>
>
> Is there any indication that she was from another parish besides Fontinhas?
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviation on Marriage Record

['Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy]

Hello!

I just unearthed the marriage record of one set of ancestors of mine.   It 
is fairly neat writing and I don't have much trouble deciphering most of it.

I can make out that on November 27th 1779, Antonio de Quadros son of Antao 
Pereira de Quadros and Maria Ascencao (deasesed) married to Anna Pereira de 
Borba daughter of Simao Pereira de Cunha (deceased) and Maria (deceased).

I *am* however having trouble making out Anna (the bride's) mother's last 
name Gil? It looks like an abreviation for something whatever it is 
I am certiain I am misreading it.  If anyone has any thoughts on it please 
let me know!

The only other thing I would like to verify is that the grooms mother is 
deceased, not the grooms father.  I usually see defuncto after the parents 
names, but in this case it is before her name am I correct that she is 
the one that is deceased, and that Antao is living?


Thank you very much!

*Jeremy B-C*
*Researching: Sao Jorge, Pico, Flores, Terceira, Faial, Graciosa*

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[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA question

[Elizabeth Migliori]

Hi,
When I go into my family finder and try to do the in-common with it says
that I can link 5 people.  But when I try it only brings up one at a time.
Can it show 5 people at once and if so how do you do that?

Liz

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to trace down Dona Antonia Baptism record

[LouieLouieOhOh]

>
> Thank you Sandra!
>

Is there any indication that she was from another parish besides Fontinhas?

Louie 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace down Dona Antonia Baptism record

[linda]

Hi Louie,

The family trees of most of the notable families of Terceira are in this 
book:

https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1975099?availability=Family%20History%20Library

You won't be able to view it from home, but if you can go into an LDS 
Family History center, you can view-- and search-- the books on their 
computers.  I understand that some centers will also allow you to download 
the volumes, so take a large capacity memory stick with you just in case.  
Worst case scenario: you can print out the relevant pages for a nominal 
charge (I did this-- well worth it).

There are errors, so you still have to follow the paper trail to verify 
it.  But dates are included, and the info from the books really cuts down 
on record slogging.  I wish I'd know about it a little earlier.

good luck with your research!

:)

Linda



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>
> Trying to trace down "Dona Antonia" Baptism record
>
> I have a marriage record here (to Manuel De Avilla Jr.):
>
> Left hand side ...
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-C-1836-1860/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-C-1836-1860_item1/P81.html
>
>
> Can someone help me define where she might have been baptized ... I am 
> having trouble reading after the "comma" (after her name, D. Antonia de 
> Meneses, ).
>
> Does the word start with a V or N? I can see "de Jose Joaquim de Avila" 
> but after that I'm struggling.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Louie
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to trace down Dona Antonia Baptism record

[Sandra Perez]

Louie,

D. Antonia de Meneses, *viuva (widow) *Jose Joaquim de Avila.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 4:45 PM, LouieLouieOhOh 
wrote:

> Trying to trace down "Dona Antonia" Baptism record
>
> I have a marriage record here (to Manuel De Avilla Jr.):
>
> Left hand side ...
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-
> PV-FONTINHAS-C-1836-1860/TER-PV-FONTINHAS-C-1836-1860_item1/P81.html
>
>
> Can someone help me define where she might have been baptized ... I am
> having trouble reading after the "comma" (after her name, D. Antonia de
> Meneses, ).
>
> Does the word start with a V or N? I can see "de Jose Joaquim de Avila"
> but after that I'm struggling.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Louie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] António Fernandes Meireles e Luzia Ferreira

[Elizabeth Migliori]

Hello,

I do have Almeida from Nossa Senhora Rosario Lagoa but have only just begun
to research there.

Liz

2017-01-03 7:45 GMT-08:00 Júlio :

> *Who have this family?*
>
>
> *António Fernandes MEIRELES [73713]* .
>
> Notas gerais: Sapateiro
>
> António casou com *Luzia FERREIRA*  abt 1620 em Rosário, Lagoa.
>
> *Filhos deste casamento:*
>
> + 2 Fi. *Maria FERREIRA * nasceu Abt 1620.
>
>3 Fii. *Margarida FERREIRA * nasceu a 27 Out 1628 em Rosário,
> Lagoa, e foi baptizada a 2 Nov 1628 em Rosário, Lagoa.
>
> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> LG-ROSARIO-B-1626-1663/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1626-1663_item1/P18.html
>
> Margarida casou com *Gonçalo MARTINS*, filho de *Domingos MARTINS*  e *Maria
> MARTINS*, a 24 Dez 1645 em Rosário, Lagoa.
>
> Notas sobre o casamento: http://culturacores.azores.
> gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683/SMG-LG-
> ROSARIO-C-1594-1683_item1/P100.html
>
>4 Hiii. *Miguel MEIRELES* nasceu a 15 Set 1631 em Rosário, Lagoa.
>
> Notas gerais: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
> LG-ROSARIO-B-1626-1663/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1626-1663_item1/P34.html
>
> + 5 Fiv. *Ana FERREIRA * nasceu a 15 Nov 1643 em Rosário, Lagoa.
>
> Segunda geração (Filhos)
> --
>
> *2. Maria FERREIRA [73601]* (*António Fernandes1*) nasceu Abt 1620.
>
> Maria casou com *Manuel Rodrigues AFONSO* , filho de *Afonso RODRIGUES* e 
> *Maria
> FERNANDES*, a 22 Set 1640 em Rosário, Lagoa.
>
> Notas sobre o casamento: http://culturacores.azores.
> gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683/SMG-LG-
> ROSARIO-C-1594-1683_item1/P91.html
>
> *Filho/a deste casamento:*
>
>6 Fi. *Luzia FERREIRA * nasceu Abt 1650 em Rosário, Lagoa.
>
> Luzia casou com *Manuel Fernandes NORDELO*, filho de *Salvador AFONSO* e 
> *Isabel
> de LEMOS*, a 29 Dez 1669 em Rosário, Lagoa. Manuel nasceu em Fenais Da
> Luz.
>
> Notas sobre o casamento: http://culturacores.azores.
> gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-C-1594-1683/SMG-LG-
> ROSARIO-C-1594-1683_item1/P146.html
>
> *5. Ana FERREIRA* (*António Fernandes1*) nasceu a 15 Nov 1643 em Rosário,
> Lagoa.
>
> Ana casou com *Simão RODRIGUES*, filho de *João RODRIGUES* e *Maria
> ESTEVES*. Simão nasceu a 25 Abr 1613 em Rosário, Lagoa.
>
> *Filho/a deste casamento:*
>
>7 Hi. *Simão FERREIRA *.
>
> Simão casou com *Maria Da PONTE* , filha de *André de VERA*  e *Maria da
> PONTE* .
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Machado Texiera birth on Sao Jorge

[Margaret Vicente]

Sam, please see ??? addressed below:

Manoel son of Jose de Machado de Souza, and of his wife, Maria Netta,
naturals, residentes, and clients of of the Parochial Parish of the Apostle
Sao Tiago place of Ribeira Seca, towsnhip of the of Calheta, of the island
of Sao Jorge, born on the 18 day of October in the year of 1714, was
baptized in this aforementioned Parish by me, Antao Homen, Vicar of the
same, on the 21st of the said month and year. Godparents were Tome Gregorio
Teixeira and Anna de Rosario Liveira (Oliveira), residents and parishioners
of this same place and Parish.  I drew this document that I sign with the
witnesses Manoel de Souza do Liveira (de Oliveira or d'Oliveira), Francisco
de Souza Texeira, day, month and year. era esta supra.

Don't know if you already have the parents marriage, in any case here's the
link to same, right side:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1698-1723/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-C-1698-1723_item1/P26.html



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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
> CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P194.html
>
>
>
> This one is really tough for me.  If anyone can verify or correct what “I
> think” I see on this document, I would greatly appreciate it!
>
>
>
> Manoel
>
> 18 October 1714
>
> Son of Jose de Machado de Souza and Maria Netta ???
>
> Manoel son of Jose de Machado de Souza and his wife, Maria Netta ??
> residents of the Parochial Parish of the Apostle Sao Tiago, place of
> Reberia Seca, village of Calheta, island of Sao Jorge, born on the 18 day
> of October in the year of 1714, was baptized in this Parochial by me, ???
> Homen, priest on the 21st of this month and year. Godfather was Tome de
> ?? and Anna de Rosario Livor??, resident of this same parish Parochial
> place of ?? ? Manoel de Souza ? Francisco de Souza Texiera,
> day, month and year as above.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help translating Machado Texiera birth on Sao Jorge

[linda]

Hi Sam,

Here's what I see:


M.el filho de Jozeph Machado de Souza e de Sua M.er Maria [Netta?] natu-
rais m.ors freguzes da Parochial de Apostolo S. Tiago Lugar da [??] secca
termo da villa da Calheta da Ilha de Sam George, nascio aos deSouto dias do 
mes
de outubro do anno de mil e Sep[t?]eCentos e quatorze e foy bap[t?]iSado 
nesta d.a
Parochial por mim Anto Homem Vig.io della aos vintehum do d.o mes
e anno [Eras?] padrinhos [Thome? g.ro? F/Tig.ro?] e Anna do Roserio 
[Li???/sua m.er??] m.ors 
freguezes deste mesmo Lugar Parochial do [?] este termo I.da asigno com 
test.tes
prezentes M.el de Sousa [do?] L?u.? e Fran.co de Souza Teix.a die, mense et 
annis [Latin! day, month and year]
ut supra

signatures look like Francisco d Sousa Teix.ra and Manoel d Souza []


hope it helps,

:)

Linda

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>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P194.html
>
>  
>
> This one is really tough for me.  If anyone can verify or correct what “I 
> think” I see on this document, I would greatly appreciate it!
>
>  
>
> Manoel
>
> 18 October 1714
>
> Son of Jose de Machado de Souza and Maria Netta ???
>
> Manoel son of Jose de Machado de Souza and his wife, Maria Netta ?? 
> residents of the Parochial Parish of the Apostle Sao Tiago, place of 
> Reberia Seca, village of Calheta, island of Sao Jorge, born on the 18 day 
> of October in the year of 1714, was baptized in this Parochial by me, ??? 
> Homen, priest on the 21st of this month and year. Godfather was Tome de 
> ?? and Anna de Rosario Livor??, resident of this same parish Parochial 
> place of ?? ? Manoel de Souza ? Francisco de Souza Texiera, 
> day, month and year as above.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Machado Texiera birth on Sao Jorge

[nancy jean baptiste]

Sam,


Maria Netta, natural

Antonio??? Homen

Tome de Teixeira

Livor... also??residents of the same parish

Manuel de Sousa ??Lacerda??


Nancy Jean


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Machado Texiera birth on Sao Jorge

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P194.html

This one is really tough for me.  If anyone can verify or correct what "I 
think" I see on this document, I would greatly appreciate it!


Manoel

18 October 1714

Son of Jose de Machado de Souza and Maria Netta ???

Manoel son of Jose de Machado de Souza and his wife, Maria Netta ?? residents 
of the Parochial Parish of the Apostle Sao Tiago, place of Reberia Seca, 
village of Calheta, island of Sao Jorge, born on the 18 day of October in the 
year of 1714, was baptized in this Parochial by me, ??? Homen, priest on the 
21st of this month and year. Godfather was Tome de ?? and Anna de Rosario 
Livor??, resident of this same parish Parochial place of ?? ? Manoel de 
Souza ? Francisco de Souza Texiera, day, month and year as above.


Sam (Mazatl?n, MX)




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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help translating Machado Texiera birth on Sao Jorge

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http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716/SJR-CH-RIBEIRASECA-B-1698-1716_item1/P194.html

This one is really tough for me.  If anyone can verify or correct what “I 
think” I see on this document, I would greatly appreciate it!

Manoel
18 October 1714
Son of Jose de Machado de Souza and Maria Netta ???
Manoel son of Jose de Machado de Souza and his wife, Maria Netta ?? residents 
of the Parochial Parish of the Apostle Sao Tiago, place of Reberia Seca, 
village of Calheta, island of Sao Jorge, born on the 18 day of October in the 
year of 1714, was baptized in this Parochial by me, ??? Homen, priest on the 
21st of this month and year. Godfather was Tome de ?? and Anna de Rosario 
Livor??, resident of this same parish Parochial place of ?? ? Manoel de 
Souza ? Francisco de Souza Texiera, day, month and year as above.


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Kim S]

Hi Jeremy, 

Thanks for the information.  I am going to go back through everything and 
work backward. 

I appreciate all the help and guidance from this group. 

Kim

On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-7, Kim S wrote:
>
> Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right 
> direction. 
>
> My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I 
> believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, Manuel 
> Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common name, 
> Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have looked 
> for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not 
> find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the 
> US. They did have one child in the Azores Mary J Secia 1901 before they 
> immigrated but I can not find anything on the birth. I did take a DNA test 
> and it has linked me to a couple distance cousins in the Azores with the 
> last name of Goulart but we can not figure out how we are linked. 
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

['Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy]

I am HIGHLY Skeptical that you have the right passenger list.

Have you tken a look at this???

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr=155211263=acom

No name change if this is the person listed on passanger list. No idea I 
didnt make sure, but same unusual name...

You need to go back to the beginning and analyze every reord under the 
changed name first, so you have more stuff to verify more information.

Jeremy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Margaret Vicente]

You are right. Unfortunately 1902 and 1903 records are not available. It is
important for you to get the basic birth and marriage for your GP and GGP
to ensure you have the right base to start your research as recommended by
Cheri Melo in other emails.

By the way the name is Secio in the masculine sense, not Secia, feminine.
On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:22 PM Kim S  wrote:

> Hi Margaret,
>
> I think Manuel Jr age is 11 months not 11 years. It would match his DOB of 
> Manuel
> Jr - May 25, 1903,  if he left in May of 1904.
>
> Kim
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 1:05:07 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Hi Kim,
>
> I'm trying to help, however based on the birth year 1878 for Manuel Cecis
> (Ancestry Celio) Fonseca sailing on the ship Vancouver in 1903, bringing
> him to be 25 years old. Does the manifest state if he is married?  Why I'm
> asking is because the 1904 Maria Bento M. Fonseca is 35 years old with an
> 11 year old child, which translate to Manuel being a father at 15 years of
> age, and married around 14 years of age, very unlikely. I think you're
> looking at 2 different families.
>
> I did find the birth record for the Manuel born in Faial da Terra on the
> 2nd of September 1878.  Here's the link, record # 34 right page.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879_item1/P235.html
>
> I also found a Manuel Secio da Fonseca, single, godfather to a child by
> the name of Manuel, born to Maria Secio da Fonseca, presuming this is his
> sister's baby.  # 26 left page.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1890-1899_item1/P136.html
>
> Further to this and Elaine finding the birth record for the passports
> Maria.  I checked through the records and did not find the birth record for
> Manuel, the child and Maria born in 1903, nor the marriage record for such
> couple.
>
> Unfortunately the passport for Maria Bento de Melo and children does not
> show the childrens' father's name. I checked twice and did not find  Manuel
> Cecio da Fonseca marriage within the given dates or outside of these time
> frames.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Kim Secia  wrote:
>
> Hi Cheri,
>
> E (not sure his real name) found the ships the came over on. He sent me
> the information in a private email. I'm not sure how he found it
> on Ancestry. Here is the information which lead me to the Passportes List.
>
>
>- Maria Bento M. Fonseca came to the U. S. on the ship "S.S. Canopic
>sailing from St. Michael's May 17, 1904.  She is with children Maria 3,
>Maria 2 and Manuel 11 months going to her husband Manuel C. Fonseca,
>Mattapoisett MA. When Manuel Jr. applied for citizenship, he said his name
>was Manuel Secia but he came to the U. S. under the name Manuel Fonseca.
>
>
>- The father Manuel Cecis (Ancestry has Celio) Fonseca game to the U.
>S. on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903.  He is going to
>his cousin Manuel Mauricio Mello living in New Bedford.  He was born ca
>1878 I believe in Sao Miguel.
>
> Are you saying these are not matches? The children's ages and immigration
> dates seem to match up with everything I found online.
>
> Thank you for the additional information.
> Kim
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Kim,
>
> Why a Maria Bento de Mello? She is a married woman, born c. 1869, with 3
> children already. What research in America has lead you to a Maria Bento de
> Mello? Why not a Maria de Jesus Mello? Why not Maria de Simas de Mello,
> #719?
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P189.html
>
> Here are the facts:
> You said the 1920 in Mattapoisett, Massachusetts that Manuel Secia was 43,
> immigrated 1902,and was an alien. Mary/Maria was 48, immigrated in 1903,
> also an alien. Son "Antone" was born c. 1905 in MA.
>
> The 1930, also in Mattapoisett said that Manuel Secia now 56, immigrated
> 1901, and was an alien. Mary/Maria is now 62, immigrated 1904. Both are
> aliens.
>
> The 1940, still in Mattapoisett, says that Manuel Secia is now 63 and
> Mary/Maria is 70. Both aliens.
>
> The only thing you can tell for certain: They lived in Mattapoisett, and
> they are aliens. What you can most likely infer: Maria is older than
> Manuel. Manuel immigrated first. They don't really know how old they are.
> Manuel's birth years: 1867, 1864, 1877. A 10 year span. Mary/Maria's birth
> years: 1858, 1862, 1870. A 12 year span. Maybe they are born somewhere
> outside this span.
>
> Nothing says Sao Miguel island. Nothing says Mary/Maria's maiden name was
> Mello. Nothing says she immigrated under that name. She is born during the
> third time period where most women didn't have surnames. She may have
> immigrated under Maria da Conceição, Maria da Estrella, Maria 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Kim S]

Hi Margaret, 

I think Manuel Jr age is 11 months not 11 years. It would match his DOB of 
Manuel 
Jr - May 25, 1903,  if he left in May of 1904.

Kim

On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 1:05:07 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>
> Hi Kim,
>
> I'm trying to help, however based on the birth year 1878 for Manuel Cecis 
> (Ancestry Celio) Fonseca sailing on the ship Vancouver in 1903, bringing 
> him to be 25 years old. Does the manifest state if he is married?  Why I'm 
> asking is because the 1904 Maria Bento M. Fonseca is 35 years old with an 
> 11 year old child, which translate to Manuel being a father at 15 years of 
> age, and married around 14 years of age, very unlikely. I think you're 
> looking at 2 different families.
>
> I did find the birth record for the Manuel born in Faial da Terra on the 
> 2nd of September 1878.  Here's the link, record # 34 right page.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879_item1/P235.html
>
> I also found a Manuel Secio da Fonseca, single, godfather to a child by 
> the name of Manuel, born to Maria Secio da Fonseca, presuming this is his 
> sister's baby.  # 26 left page.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1890-1899_item1/P136.html
>
> Further to this and Elaine finding the birth record for the passports 
> Maria.  I checked through the records and did not find the birth record for 
> Manuel, the child and Maria born in 1903, nor the marriage record for such 
> couple.  
>
> Unfortunately the passport for Maria Bento de Melo and children does not 
> show the childrens' father's name. I checked twice and did not find  Manuel 
> Cecio da Fonseca marriage within the given dates or outside of these time 
> frames.  
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Kim Secia  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri, 
>>
>> E (not sure his real name) found the ships the came over on. He sent me 
>> the information in a private email. I'm not sure how he found it 
>> on Ancestry. Here is the information which lead me to the Passportes List. 
>>
>>
>>- Maria Bento M. Fonseca came to the U. S. on the ship "S.S. Canopic 
>>sailing from St. Michael's May 17, 1904.  She is with children Maria 3, 
>>Maria 2 and Manuel 11 months going to her husband Manuel C. Fonseca, 
>>Mattapoisett MA. When Manuel Jr. applied for citizenship, he said his 
>> name 
>>was Manuel Secia but he came to the U. S. under the name Manuel Fonseca.
>>
>>
>>- The father Manuel Cecis (Ancestry has Celio) Fonseca game to the U. 
>>S. on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903.  He is going to 
>>his cousin Manuel Mauricio Mello living in New Bedford.  He was born ca 
>>1878 I believe in Sao Miguel.
>>
>> Are you saying these are not matches? The children's ages and immigration 
>> dates seem to match up with everything I found online. 
>>
>> Thank you for the additional information. 
>> Kim
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Cheri Mello > > wrote:
>>
>>> Kim,
>>>
>>> Why a Maria Bento de Mello? She is a married woman, born c. 1869, with 3 
>>> children already. What research in America has lead you to a Maria Bento de 
>>> Mello? Why not a Maria de Jesus Mello? Why not Maria de Simas de Mello, 
>>> #719?
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P189.html
>>>
>>> Here are the facts:
>>> You said the 1920 in Mattapoisett, Massachusetts that Manuel Secia was 
>>> 43, immigrated 1902,and was an alien. Mary/Maria was 48, immigrated in 
>>> 1903, also an alien. Son "Antone" was born c. 1905 in MA.
>>>
>>> The 1930, also in Mattapoisett said that Manuel Secia now 56, immigrated 
>>> 1901, and was an alien. Mary/Maria is now 62, immigrated 1904. Both are 
>>> aliens.
>>>
>>> The 1940, still in Mattapoisett, says that Manuel Secia is now 63 and 
>>> Mary/Maria is 70. Both aliens.
>>>
>>> The only thing you can tell for certain: They lived in Mattapoisett, and 
>>> they are aliens. What you can most likely infer: Maria is older than 
>>> Manuel. Manuel immigrated first. They don't really know how old they are. 
>>> Manuel's birth years: 1867, 1864, 1877. A 10 year span. Mary/Maria's birth 
>>> years: 1858, 1862, 1870. A 12 year span. Maybe they are born somewhere 
>>> outside this span.
>>>
>>> Nothing says Sao Miguel island. Nothing says Mary/Maria's maiden name 
>>> was Mello. Nothing says she immigrated under that name. She is born during 
>>> the third time period where most women didn't have surnames. She may have 
>>> immigrated under Maria da Conceição, Maria da Estrella, Maria do Rosario
>>>
>>> Start with their deaths and work backwards. You're really not ready to 
>>> search in the Azores. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. With 
>>> 900-1000 people of Azorean descent who have taken Family Finder, you 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Kim,

I'm trying to help, however based on the birth year 1878 for Manuel Cecis
(Ancestry Celio) Fonseca sailing on the ship Vancouver in 1903, bringing
him to be 25 years old. Does the manifest state if he is married?  Why I'm
asking is because the 1904 Maria Bento M. Fonseca is 35 years old with an
11 year old child, which translate to Manuel being a father at 15 years of
age, and married around 14 years of age, very unlikely. I think you're
looking at 2 different families.

I did find the birth record for the Manuel born in Faial da Terra on the
2nd of September 1878.  Here's the link, record # 34 right page.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879_item1/P235.html

I also found a Manuel Secio da Fonseca, single, godfather to a child by the
name of Manuel, born to Maria Secio da Fonseca, presuming this is his
sister's baby.  # 26 left page.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1890-1899_item1/P136.html

Further to this and Elaine finding the birth record for the passports
Maria.  I checked through the records and did not find the birth record for
Manuel, the child and Maria born in 1903, nor the marriage record for such
couple.

Unfortunately the passport for Maria Bento de Melo and children does not
show the childrens' father's name. I checked twice and did not find  Manuel
Cecio da Fonseca marriage within the given dates or outside of these time
frames.





On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Kim Secia  wrote:

> Hi Cheri,
>
> E (not sure his real name) found the ships the came over on. He sent me
> the information in a private email. I'm not sure how he found it
> on Ancestry. Here is the information which lead me to the Passportes List.
>
>
>- Maria Bento M. Fonseca came to the U. S. on the ship "S.S. Canopic
>sailing from St. Michael's May 17, 1904.  She is with children Maria 3,
>Maria 2 and Manuel 11 months going to her husband Manuel C. Fonseca,
>Mattapoisett MA. When Manuel Jr. applied for citizenship, he said his name
>was Manuel Secia but he came to the U. S. under the name Manuel Fonseca.
>
>
>- The father Manuel Cecis (Ancestry has Celio) Fonseca game to the U.
>S. on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903.  He is going to
>his cousin Manuel Mauricio Mello living in New Bedford.  He was born ca
>1878 I believe in Sao Miguel.
>
> Are you saying these are not matches? The children's ages and immigration
> dates seem to match up with everything I found online.
>
> Thank you for the additional information.
> Kim
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Kim,
>>
>> Why a Maria Bento de Mello? She is a married woman, born c. 1869, with 3
>> children already. What research in America has lead you to a Maria Bento de
>> Mello? Why not a Maria de Jesus Mello? Why not Maria de Simas de Mello,
>> #719?
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPO
>> RTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P189.html
>>
>> Here are the facts:
>> You said the 1920 in Mattapoisett, Massachusetts that Manuel Secia was
>> 43, immigrated 1902,and was an alien. Mary/Maria was 48, immigrated in
>> 1903, also an alien. Son "Antone" was born c. 1905 in MA.
>>
>> The 1930, also in Mattapoisett said that Manuel Secia now 56, immigrated
>> 1901, and was an alien. Mary/Maria is now 62, immigrated 1904. Both are
>> aliens.
>>
>> The 1940, still in Mattapoisett, says that Manuel Secia is now 63 and
>> Mary/Maria is 70. Both aliens.
>>
>> The only thing you can tell for certain: They lived in Mattapoisett, and
>> they are aliens. What you can most likely infer: Maria is older than
>> Manuel. Manuel immigrated first. They don't really know how old they are.
>> Manuel's birth years: 1867, 1864, 1877. A 10 year span. Mary/Maria's birth
>> years: 1858, 1862, 1870. A 12 year span. Maybe they are born somewhere
>> outside this span.
>>
>> Nothing says Sao Miguel island. Nothing says Mary/Maria's maiden name was
>> Mello. Nothing says she immigrated under that name. She is born during the
>> third time period where most women didn't have surnames. She may have
>> immigrated under Maria da Conceição, Maria da Estrella, Maria do Rosario
>>
>> Start with their deaths and work backwards. You're really not ready to
>> search in the Azores. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. With
>> 900-1000 people of Azorean descent who have taken Family Finder, you match
>> no one with Sao Miguel ancestry. You match with a relative of Evie Silva
>> Kiler who is on this list. I run "In Common With" and everyone on that list
>> is Faial, Pico, or Sao Jorge island. No one is Sao Miguel island. It will
>> help when you are able to get your dad's Family Finder as well.
>>
>> Get the deaths, the obits, burial records, and tombstone photos. Get the
>> children's births 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Freitas Mendonca Flores ancestors

[Kawika322]

Hi Wendy,

from my maternal grandfather's paternal line I have a Joao Antonio de Freitas 
Mendonca from Lajes on Flores. He was born 1812 and died 1868.

His parents were Manuel de Freitas Mendonca, born 1785 Fajazinha, Flores and 
died 1853. His wife was Maria de Sao Jose.

Manuel's parents were Jose Mendonca, born 1757 in Fajazinha, Flores, and died 
1807, and Ana de Freitas, born 1766 in Fajazinha, Flores.

This is where the Mendonca line switches to the Island of Corvo. Jose 
Mendonca's parents were Antonio de Mendonca, born 1727 on Corvo and died 1786 
in Fajazinha, Flores, and Francisca Roiz, born 1731 in Fajazinha,Flores.

Ana de Freitas (wife of Jose Mendonca) parents were Francisco Jose and 
Esperanca de Freitas, both from Fajazinha, Flores.

Do you have any of these names in your tree? Also, does your Mendonca or 
Freitas line link to the Island of Corvo?

I believe the furthest I could go back on the Mendonca line was with Gaspar de 
Mendonca, born abt 1630 in Corvo and died 1689 in Corvo, and his wife Barbara 
Roiz,born abt 1640 in Corvo and died 1692 in Corvo.

Thanks,

David

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