Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[JR]

Sorry, I was just thinking aloud. Camilha de Resendes is supposed to be the 
daughter of Pedro de Bairos who married Dulciana Magalhaes. But Camilha 
married Matias Curvello de Matos, June 7- 1635. Pedro Francisco Bairos is 
supposed to be her brother, yet he married 45 years later after his sister, 
in 1680. Does not seem likely. Nor does it seem likely that Pedro Francisco 
married almost 75 years after his parents married. So something is not 
right for sure. Just keep collecting as many baptisms and references as you 
can. You may be surprised at what you find.

I don't have the answer, but perhaps someone more versed in Santa Maria 
ancestry may be able to help. RR may have, and probably did make some make 
errors. On the other hand, the records may have been mistranscribed and we 
may never know. The records were in better shape when Canto and RR reviewed 
them.

JR

On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 10:07:09 PM UTC-5, George Sousa wrote:
>
> Hi JR,
>
> I am a direct descendant of Anna de Andrade who was born in Vila do Porto 
> on March 16, 1688 (
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1667-1697/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1667-1697_item1/P94.html
> ). 
>
> Anna de Andrade married Mathias de Freitas in Santo Espirito. From what I 
> can tell the parish records for this time period for Santo Espirito are not 
> available but I have baptismal records for five of their children (all born 
> in Santo Espirito).
>
> Anna de Andrade's baptismal record states the following...
>
> "Em dozaseis do mes de marco de mil e seis sentos outenta e outo Baptizeu 
> ? o Vigario a Anna filha de Pedro de Bairo e de sua mulher Anna de Andrade 
> forao padrinhos Manuel Gomes filho de Andre Gomes, que Deus tem e madrinha 
> Francisca de Andrade... era ut Supra"
>
> I believe that the record that I posted earlier (
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1649-1681/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1649-1681_item1/P39.html
>  ) 
> is the marriage record of Anna de Andrade's parents.
>
> My first cut at interpreting this record (which has some damage) is the 
> following...
>
> "Em Oito do mes de Janeiro de seis sentos e outenta annos Recebi in facie 
> da Santa Madre Igreja o Pedro Francisco de Bairos filho de (P)edro 
> Francisco de Bairos e de Sua Mulher ? Magalhaes de ? (ja de)funtos com Anna 
> de Andrade poim (possibly alpoim) (filha de) Francisco de Andrade de puim e 
> de sua mulher Maria de andrade de m(el)lo. Forao padrinho pedro de 
> Bairos..."
>
> I believe the consensus (from those responding to my earlier post) on the 
> name of the Groom's mother is "Durciana Magalhaes".
>
> JR, do you think I've missed a generation?
>
> George
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:35 PM, JR  
> wrote:
>
>> George, who are your ancestors that lead this couple? It almost looks 
>> like an in-between generation may be missing.
>>
>> JR
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 12:03:06 PM UTC-5, George Sousa wrote:
>>>
>>> I would appreciate some help with the first name of the groom's mother 
>>> (third entry on the right)
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1649-1681/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1649-1681_item1/P39.html
>>>  
>>>
>>> Here is what I have so far...
>>>
>>> "Em Oito do mes de Janeiro de seis sentos e outenta annos Recebi in 
>>> facie da Santa Madre Igreja o Pedro Francisco de Bairos filho de (P)edro 
>>> Francisco de Bairos e de Sua Mulher ? Magalhaes de ? (ja de)funtos com Anna 
>>> de Andrade poim (possibly alpoim) (filha de) Francisco de Andrade de puim e 
>>> de sua mulher Maria de andrade de m(el)lo. Forao padrinho pedro de 
>>> Bairos..."
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[George Sousa]

Hi JR,

I am a direct descendant of Anna de Andrade who was born in Vila do Porto
on March 16, 1688 (
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1667-1697/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1667-1697_item1/P94.html
).

Anna de Andrade married Mathias de Freitas in Santo Espirito. From what I
can tell the parish records for this time period for Santo Espirito are not
available but I have baptismal records for five of their children (all born
in Santo Espirito).

Anna de Andrade's baptismal record states the following...

"Em dozaseis do mes de marco de mil e seis sentos outenta e outo Baptizeu ?
o Vigario a Anna filha de Pedro de Bairo e de sua mulher Anna de Andrade
forao padrinhos Manuel Gomes filho de Andre Gomes, que Deus tem e madrinha
Francisca de Andrade... era ut Supra"

I believe that the record that I posted earlier (http://culturacores.azores.
gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1649-1681/SMA-
VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1649-1681_item1/P39.html ) is the marriage record of Anna de
Andrade's parents.

My first cut at interpreting this record (which has some damage) is the
following...

"Em Oito do mes de Janeiro de seis sentos e outenta annos Recebi in facie
da Santa Madre Igreja o Pedro Francisco de Bairos filho de (P)edro
Francisco de Bairos e de Sua Mulher ? Magalhaes de ? (ja de)funtos com Anna
de Andrade poim (possibly alpoim) (filha de) Francisco de Andrade de puim e
de sua mulher Maria de andrade de m(el)lo. Forao padrinho pedro de
Bairos..."

I believe the consensus (from those responding to my earlier post) on the
name of the Groom's mother is "Durciana Magalhaes".

JR, do you think I've missed a generation?

George




On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:35 PM, JR  wrote:

> George, who are your ancestors that lead this couple? It almost looks like
> an in-between generation may be missing.
>
> JR
>
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 12:03:06 PM UTC-5, George Sousa wrote:
>>
>> I would appreciate some help with the first name of the groom's mother
>> (third entry on the right)
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>> ASSUNCAO-C-1649-1681/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1649-1681_item1/P39.html
>>
>> Here is what I have so far...
>>
>> "Em Oito do mes de Janeiro de seis sentos e outenta annos Recebi in facie
>> da Santa Madre Igreja o Pedro Francisco de Bairos filho de (P)edro
>> Francisco de Bairos e de Sua Mulher ? Magalhaes de ? (ja de)funtos com Anna
>> de Andrade poim (possibly alpoim) (filha de) Francisco de Andrade de puim e
>> de sua mulher Maria de andrade de m(el)lo. Forao padrinho pedro de
>> Bairos..."
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Project

[George Medeiros]

I got my family Finder results today from Family Tree. I attempted to join the 
azores project and think I joined but not sure I did it right. How will I know 
if I am a member ? 
How can I use the autosomal results to find my azores cousin matches ? I have 
found several people in my Ancestry matches with Portuguese surnames that match 
mine but have found none in the cousin matches in Family Tree thus far. Can 
anyone explain to me how to use the results I have gotten from Family Tree ? 
George ( Pereira ) Medeiros

Sent from my iPad

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation of wife's occupation, please

[linda]

"...que de occupa no gover-
no de sua casa..."

Very tricky handwriting!

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation of wife's occupation, please

[Sme]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-B-1892-1902/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-B-1892-1902_item1/P18.html

Theresa.   Mother is Maria da Luz

Thanks.
Suzanne

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[JR]

George, who are your ancestors that lead this couple? It almost looks like 
an in-between generation may be missing.

JR

On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 12:03:06 PM UTC-5, George Sousa wrote:
>
> I would appreciate some help with the first name of the groom's mother 
> (third entry on the right)
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1649-1681/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1649-1681_item1/P39.html
>  
>
> Here is what I have so far...
>
> "Em Oito do mes de Janeiro de seis sentos e outenta annos Recebi in facie 
> da Santa Madre Igreja o Pedro Francisco de Bairos filho de (P)edro 
> Francisco de Bairos e de Sua Mulher ? Magalhaes de ? (ja de)funtos com Anna 
> de Andrade poim (possibly alpoim) (filha de) Francisco de Andrade de puim e 
> de sua mulher Maria de andrade de m(el)lo. Forao padrinho pedro de 
> Bairos..."
>
>
> Thank you in advance
>
> George
>
>
>
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Frank Gomes and Manuel Gomes

[Carolina]

Thank you Rosemarie and Cheri about the reminder to check with the local 
Church. I left a message with St Patricks to see what they have.  I have 
also realized that Frank's mother's family lived in Pajaro at some point 
around the 1910 census, which is next to Watsonville but is considered 
Monterey County.

Robin, yes, there is a match and that is the same Mary A. Brown! I think 
you and I connected thru Facebook last night. Looking forward to seing 
what and who you have!

Caroline


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, affinity means he married his deceased wife's relative, so yes, he
married an in-law.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Mary Bordi  wrote:

> It just says she died in the hospital.
>
> Antonio and Maria Augusta were dispensed in the third and fourth degree of
> affinity--I think that means they were in-laws...? And where that's stated
> the priest got a little mixed up (one of those places where he says "digo"
> and starts again) so I'm not real clear. Someone with more Portuguese could
> read it better.
>
> I have both women in my tree but on my iPad the "show relationship" (to
> me) feature isn't working so I don't know if they are in my line or married
> into it without looking closer.
>
> Mary
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:51 AM Eddie Machado 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Wondering if I can get some assistance with the translation of this
>> record. I know it is for my 3x great grandfather Antonio Pedroza de Borba's
>> second marriage. What I am looking for is if it say more about his 1st wife
>> Maria Teresa who it says died in a hospital in Ponta Delgada, São Miguel. I
>> can't tell if it says when she died or how. Here is the link it is on the
>> right side and goes to the next page.
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
>> VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1870-1879/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1870-1879_item1/P62.html
>>
>> thank you,
>> Eddie
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help

[Cheri Mello]

Check both. Leave no stone unturned.

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Remember this was in 1879 and it may not have been practical to send the
> body back to Sao George for burial.*
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Eddie Machado
> *Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2017 1:01 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help
>
>
>
> Ok so even though they lived in Ribeira d'Areia, São Jorge they wouldn't
> have buried her there? Guess I am off to São Jose!
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 12:56:50 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis
> Pimentel wrote:
>
> *The record does not say anything else as to when she died or why. I would
> look for her Obito. My guess would be it is most likely in Sao Jose, Ponta
> Delgada. In most cases they did not re-marry for a while after the spouse
> died (6 months to a year) but there are always exceptions. I would think if
> she was buried in Norta Grande the record would say.*
>
>
>
> *The couple marring also received a dispensation for the 4th degree of
> affinity (related through marriage). *
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Eddie Machado
> *Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2017 11:52 AM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> Wondering if I can get some assistance with the translation of this
> record. I know it is for my 3x great grandfather Antonio Pedroza de Borba's
> second marriage. What I am looking for is if it say more about his 1st wife
> Maria Teresa who it says died in a hospital in Ponta Delgada, São Miguel. I
> can't tell if it says when she died or how. Here is the link it is on the
> right side and goes to the next page.
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-
> VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1870-1879/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1870-1879_item1/P62.html
>
>
>
> thank you,
>
> Eddie
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help

[Eddie Machado]

Ok so even though they lived in Ribeira d'Areia, São Jorge they wouldn't 
have buried her there? Guess I am off to São Jose!


On Monday, February 13, 2017 at 12:56:50 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:
>
> *The record does not say anything else as to when she died or why. I would 
> look for her Obito. My guess would be it is most likely in Sao Jose, Ponta 
> Delgada. In most cases they did not re-marry for a while after the spouse 
> died (6 months to a year) but there are always exceptions. I would think if 
> she was buried in Norta Grande the record would say.*
>
>  
>
> *The couple marring also received a dispensation for the 4th degree of 
> affinity (related through marriage). *
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *Rick*
>
>  
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>  
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Eddie Machado
> *Sent:* Monday, February 13, 2017 11:52 AM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help
>
>  
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>  
>
> Wondering if I can get some assistance with the translation of this 
> record. I know it is for my 3x great grandfather Antonio Pedroza de Borba's 
> second marriage. What I am looking for is if it say more about his 1st wife 
> Maria Teresa who it says died in a hospital in Ponta Delgada, São Miguel. I 
> can't tell if it says when she died or how. Here is the link it is on the 
> right side and goes to the next page.
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1870-1879/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1870-1879_item1/P62.html
>
>  
>
> thank you,
>
> Eddie
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

The record does not say anything else as to when she died or why. I would look 
for her Obito. My guess would be it is most likely in Sao Jose, Ponta Delgada. 
In most cases they did not re-marry for a while after the spouse died (6 months 
to a year) but there are always exceptions. I would think if she was buried in 
Norta Grande the record would say.

 

The couple marring also received a dispensation for the 4th degree of affinity 
(related through marriage). 

 

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Eddie Machado
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2017 11:52 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help

 

Hi everyone,

 

Wondering if I can get some assistance with the translation of this record. I 
know it is for my 3x great grandfather Antonio Pedroza de Borba's second 
marriage. What I am looking for is if it say more about his 1st wife Maria 
Teresa who it says died in a hospital in Ponta Delgada, São Miguel. I can't 
tell if it says when she died or how. Here is the link it is on the right side 
and goes to the next page.

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1870-1879/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1870-1879_item1/P62.html

 

thank you,

Eddie

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help

[Eddie Machado]

Hi everyone,

Wondering if I can get some assistance with the translation of this record. 
I know it is for my 3x great grandfather Antonio Pedroza de Borba's second 
marriage. What I am looking for is if it say more about his 1st wife Maria 
Teresa who it says died in a hospital in Ponta Delgada, São Miguel. I can't 
tell if it says when she died or how. Here is the link it is on the right 
side and goes to the next page.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1870-1879/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1870-1879_item1/P62.html

thank you,
Eddie

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for our ancestors who migrated from Azore Islands to Hawaii

[Cheri Mello]

David P,
Maybe your ancestor acted self-important and maybe the "Barao" was more of
an alcunha.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:25 AM, David Perry 
wrote:

> In support of John Rapozo's comments, family lore has it that my great
> grandfather was a "big shot" in Lagoa, Sao Miguel and in fact many records
> have "Barao" after his name.  His father was a fisherman and there are no
> "Donas" or "Baraos" anywhere in the earlier records.  I suspect he took the
> title to enhance his standing.  For some reason he made a sudden departure
> out of town taking his family with him.  Later birth records for more
> children have him working in a vineyard with no mention of Barao.
> David Perry
>
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 12:39:37 PM UTC-8, Reposo De Costa wrote:
>
>> We are researching our ancestors Manuel Reposo/Reposa DeCosta from the
>> Azore Islands who migrated to the Hawaiian Islands. Head of household was
>> Manuel, wife's name was Maria. Our grandmother Maria Raposa/Raposa Decosta
>> was born in around 1898 in Hawaii.  Our grandmother had a family crest
>> which indicated that my uncle was a Duke, my grandmother died and we could
>> not find the papers/crest.  We are wondering what royal family are we
>> related to.  The family crest was passed down to our Uncle, who then was
>> called a Duke.  Any information on this would be much appreciated.  Thank
>> you.
>>
>> Christine
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Frank Gomes and Manuel Gomes

[Robin Borba Besotes]

Take what St. Patrick's Church gives you with a grain of salt.  If they 
tell you they have no records, don't assume that's the truth.  I was told 
they did not have a death record from my relative F.J. Bettencourt who dies 
in Watsonville around 1933.  Guess what?  When I visited Watsonville, I 
walked across the street from the church to the cemetery and low and behold 
I found the burial of F.J. Bettencourt.  

Since it's close, I would also recommend checking Hollister records.  I've 
found relatives buried in the Catholic Cemetery there as well.  

Robin Borba Besotes



On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 2:44:01 PM UTC-8, rcapodc wrote:
>
> Caroline, if Santa Cruz Cnty doesn't have a birth certificate for Frank 
> Gomez, try the Catholic Church in Watsonville. I think that it is St. 
> Patrick's Church. You might have better luck finding his baptismal record 
> which might show where his parents came from too, you never know! 
>
> Rosemarie 
> rcap...@gmail.com 
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:32 PM, 'Caroline Gomes' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Just an update on what I have found so far.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I had been focusing my newspaper search to the Santa Cruz County and 
>> Stanislaus County areas, using Newspapers.com, Legacy.com and Archives.com 
>> . Thank you Cheri for the link to the Portuguese papers archives.  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Frank Gomes
>>
>> - Santa Cruz County is not able to find his birth certificate….looking 
>> under Francis, Francisco or Frank. I was able to obtain original marriage 
>> and death certs for him and they only list 'California' as his place of 
>> birth. Both of those documents have him listed as Frank Gomes.  Everyone in 
>> the family says that he was born in Watsonville. So I will try Monterey 
>> County and even Stanislaus County, where his siblings were born.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Manuel Enos Gomes
>>
>>   We are still looking for an exact place of birth for him. I was able to 
>> find his death certificate.  He was admitted to the Stockton State Hospital 
>> in 1940 and died there April 30, 1942.  His draft card which has his mark 
>> (X) witnessed by someone (dated Sept 12, 1918), shows his date of birth as 
>> Oct 4, 1873 but his death certificate shows the date of birth as Sept 4, 
>> 1875. The informant listed on his death certificate were both Hospital 
>> Records and his son, Frank Gomes.. So we have a difference in the date of 
>> birth.  
>>
>>   He received a consent to marry in 1910 Mary A Brown of Watsonville. 
>> They were listed on the 1920 census in Stanislaus County as the head of 
>> household and listed coming to  the USA in 1906.  
>>
>>   In the 1930 census of Stanislaus County, he was missing from the 
>> household as Mary A Gomes was listed as the head of household. Manuel 
>> reappears in the 1940 census as the head of household, living with his son, 
>> Frank and Frank's wife, and their daughter, Joann.  Then a month later, it 
>> looks like he was admitted to Stockton State Hospital.  
>>
>>
>>  Manuel was listed as divorced on the death certificate. Mary A. Silva 
>> Gomes did remarry in the early 1930's to a Jack Silva.  I am now going to 
>> contact Stanislaus County to see about the divorce records of Manuel and 
>> Mary.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I was able to get in touch with the California State archives about the 
>> stay at the State Hospital.  As you all may know, there is a 75 year 
>> restriction on accessing medical records in the state archives, based on 
>> the date of last contact.  So, April 2017 ends the restriction.  But they 
>> were able to tell me that there was not any mention of a specific place of 
>> birth.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Whew!
>>
>> Caroline 
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Frank Gomes and Manuel Gomes

[Robin Borba Besotes]

Hello Caroline,

I believe I have a connection to your Gomes/Brown line.  Was Mary A. 
Brown's parents, Francisco Silveira de Brum Brown and Maria Lewis?  Mary A. 
Brown died in June 1973 - Seaside, California?  If so, another sister, Rose 
E. Brown married Tony L. Gomes.  I have some paper documents from research 
I've done on my lines from the Watsonville, CA area.  I'm happy to look for 
you to see if I have any additional information.   

Robin Borba Besotes



On Monday, January 30, 2017 at 8:49:02 PM UTC-8, Caroline Gomes wrote:
>
> Hi all!
>
> I have not posted in a few years but have decided to dust off the family 
> history research and continue on.
>
> I am looking to follow the paternal line of my father-in-law, Frank Gomes, 
> who was born on March 1, 1911 in Watsonville, CA and died on October 22, 
> 1989 in Concord, CA.  His parents were Manuel Gomes (born around 1877 (?)  
> - somewhere in the Azores) and Mary A. Brown. Frank's siblings are Eva 
> Gomes, Louise Gomes, Florence Gomes, Manuel Gomes and Raymond Gomes.  Frank 
> has three children: JoAnn Gomes Taylor, Larry Gomes and Gary Gomes.
>
> We have been going thru Ancestry.com and see some of the various Census 
> records from the Central Valley here in CA but all that we see listed as a 
> birthplace for Manuel is Portugal with nothing specific. We are trying to 
> figure out where Manuel's paternal line leads to in the Azores.
>
> Help! :)
>
> Caroline Gomes
> Northern California 
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for our ancestors who migrated from Azore Islands to Hawaii

[David Perry]

In support of John Rapozo's comments, family lore has it that my great 
grandfather was a "big shot" in Lagoa, Sao Miguel and in fact many records 
have "Barao" after his name.  His father was a fisherman and there are no 
"Donas" or "Baraos" anywhere in the earlier records.  I suspect he took the 
title to enhance his standing.  For some reason he made a sudden departure 
out of town taking his family with him.  Later birth records for more 
children have him working in a vineyard with no mention of Barao.   
David Perry 

On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 12:39:37 PM UTC-8, Reposo De Costa wrote:

> We are researching our ancestors Manuel Reposo/Reposa DeCosta from the 
> Azore Islands who migrated to the Hawaiian Islands. Head of household was 
> Manuel, wife's name was Maria. Our grandmother Maria Raposa/Raposa Decosta 
> was born in around 1898 in Hawaii.  Our grandmother had a family crest 
> which indicated that my uncle was a Duke, my grandmother died and we could 
> not find the papers/crest.  We are wondering what royal family are we 
> related to.  The family crest was passed down to our Uncle, who then was 
> called a Duke.  Any information on this would be much appreciated.  Thank 
> you.
>
> Christine
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 8 updates in 5 topics

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

Bob, I'm so glad that you were able to finish! I had all kinds of trouble
because I used the Portuguese one and had to cut & paste to translate
everything as I went. Then I came to the page that said 'complete order'
and I kept clicking on the words not the tiny box to the left of the words!
When I finally did that the order went through fine! We live and learn, I
guess. This book will be really helpful as you get further back in your
research along with the Portuguese Paleography booklet.

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Bob Luis  wrote:

> Rosemarie,
>
>  Yesterday I was able to complete the order. I used IE browser instead of
> Chrome and completed the order in Portuguese.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 9:24 PM,  wrote:
>
>> azores@googlegroups.com
>> 
>>  Google
>> Groups
>> 
>> 
>> Topic digest
>> View all topics
>> 
>>
>>- Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de
>>Andrade Poim)
>><#m_4848753209779880576_m_-5646504163773631769_group_thread_0> - 1
>>Update
>>- DNA: Family Tree DNA's "In Common With"
>><#m_4848753209779880576_m_-5646504163773631769_group_thread_1> - 3
>>Updates
>>- Great Grandparents
>><#m_4848753209779880576_m_-5646504163773631769_group_thread_2> - 2
>>Updates
>>- Looking for our ancestors who migrated from Azore Islands to Hawaii
>><#m_4848753209779880576_m_-5646504163773631769_group_thread_3> - 1
>>Update
>>- Abreviaturas Paleografias Portuguesas by Borges Nunes
>><#m_4848753209779880576_m_-5646504163773631769_group_thread_4> - 1
>>Update
>>
>> Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de
>> Andrade Poim)
>> 
>> Margaret Vicente : Feb 12 10:59PM -0500
>>
>> George and Angela,
>>
>> First and regarding the name, it was originally spelt "DuRciana" (as shown
>> on the record) currently spelt DuLciana.
>>
>> My ancestors are Pedro *Garcia* de Bairos and Dulciana Magalhaes, married
>> Jun 18 1606.
>>
>> This Couple Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Ana de Andrade married January 8
>> 1680 are not my line.
>>
>> Angela, I have to agree with you that Rodrigo Rodrigues Genealogies do not
>> match the Groom's parents on this marriage record.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Margaret M Vicente
>> Back to top <#m_4848753209779880576_m_-5646504163773631769_digest_top>
>> DNA: Family Tree DNA's "In Common With"
>> 
>> Cheri Mello : Feb 12 05:14PM -0800
>>
>> "In Common With" is a list of names that match you and the other person.
>> Across ALL lines. It may or may not contain X matches.
>>
>> Cousin Vicky matches my mom on one line and she also matches my dad on one
>> of his American lines.
>>
>> I suggest your contact your husband's project admin for more advice. The
>> admins can see his pages and will be able to understand what you mean.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> "M. Stringer" : Feb 12 01:55PM -0500
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>>
>>
>> Orig: Search 1: ‘in Common With’ comparison between husband and male,
>> identified 4th cousin.
>>
>> Definitely paternal line to 2xpaternal grandmother, wife of his 2xpaternal
>> grandfather.
>>
>> The comparison male of her sister. The shared ancestors are her parents.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Xmatch female included in the ‘in common with’ results responded to
>> email.
>>
>> She is the niece of the comparison male, thus 4th cousin, 1xRemoved.
>> Verified paper and DNA
>>
>>
>>
>> How is the paternal XMatch explained?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Marsha Stringer
>>
>> strin...@mstringer.net
>> Cheri Mello : Feb 12 05:17PM -0800
>>
>> You'll have to check with your husband's project admin. I can't see your
>> husband's pages as he's not Azorean. Sorry!
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 10:55 AM, M. Stringer 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Back to top <#m_4848753209779880576_m_-5646504163773631769_digest_top>
>> Great Grandparents
>> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 8 updates in 5 topics

[Bob Luis]

Rosemarie,

 Yesterday I was able to complete the order. I used IE browser instead of
Chrome and completed the order in Portuguese.

Thanks,

Bob

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 9:24 PM,  wrote:

> azores@googlegroups.com
> 
>  Google
> Groups
> 
> 
> Topic digest
> View all topics
> 
>
>- Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de
>Andrade Poim) <#m_-5646504163773631769_group_thread_0> - 1 Update
>- DNA: Family Tree DNA's "In Common With"
><#m_-5646504163773631769_group_thread_1> - 3 Updates
>- Great Grandparents <#m_-5646504163773631769_group_thread_2> - 2
>Updates
>- Looking for our ancestors who migrated from Azore Islands to Hawaii
><#m_-5646504163773631769_group_thread_3> - 1 Update
>- Abreviaturas Paleografias Portuguesas by Borges Nunes
><#m_-5646504163773631769_group_thread_4> - 1 Update
>
> Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade
> Poim)
> 
> Margaret Vicente : Feb 12 10:59PM -0500
>
> George and Angela,
>
> First and regarding the name, it was originally spelt "DuRciana" (as shown
> on the record) currently spelt DuLciana.
>
> My ancestors are Pedro *Garcia* de Bairos and Dulciana Magalhaes, married
> Jun 18 1606.
>
> This Couple Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Ana de Andrade married January 8
> 1680 are not my line.
>
> Angela, I have to agree with you that Rodrigo Rodrigues Genealogies do not
> match the Groom's parents on this marriage record.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Margaret M Vicente
> Back to top <#m_-5646504163773631769_digest_top>
> DNA: Family Tree DNA's "In Common With"
> 
> Cheri Mello : Feb 12 05:14PM -0800
>
> "In Common With" is a list of names that match you and the other person.
> Across ALL lines. It may or may not contain X matches.
>
> Cousin Vicky matches my mom on one line and she also matches my dad on one
> of his American lines.
>
> I suggest your contact your husband's project admin for more advice. The
> admins can see his pages and will be able to understand what you mean.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> "M. Stringer" : Feb 12 01:55PM -0500
>
> Greetings,
>
>
>
> Orig: Search 1: ‘in Common With’ comparison between husband and male,
> identified 4th cousin.
>
> Definitely paternal line to 2xpaternal grandmother, wife of his 2xpaternal
> grandfather.
>
> The comparison male of her sister. The shared ancestors are her parents.
>
>
>
> The Xmatch female included in the ‘in common with’ results responded to
> email.
>
> She is the niece of the comparison male, thus 4th cousin, 1xRemoved.
> Verified paper and DNA
>
>
>
> How is the paternal XMatch explained?
>
>
>
>
>
> Marsha Stringer
>
> strin...@mstringer.net
> Cheri Mello : Feb 12 05:17PM -0800
>
> You'll have to check with your husband's project admin. I can't see your
> husband's pages as he's not Azorean. Sorry!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 10:55 AM, M. Stringer 
> wrote:
>
> Back to top <#m_-5646504163773631769_digest_top>
> Great Grandparents
> 
> Cheri Mello : Feb 12 03:35PM -0800
>
> I think the modern spelling is Honorio, but I'm not entirely certain.
>
> RootsMagic is a decent program. The more you use it, the better you will
> get with it.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Cheryle Dougherty <
> Richard Francis Pimentel : Feb 12 07:28PM -0500
>
> I gave you 5 children which span about 10 years of their marriage so there
> very well could be more after Francilina. This Henerio could be one of the
> brothers you are looking for. Not sure where you got the name Hnorio from
> but it could be a miss- spelling.
>
>
>
> Do you know what year they came to the US? I would suggest looking in the
> US census for them which will give you a good year to start looking for
> their birth. The US census is on line for free if you know where to look.
>
>
>
> I can send you