Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Questions on name and help

[Cheri Mello]

Yes mostly. Dad is a Couto (not Couta).

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 3:33 PM, 'Bob's AOL Accounts' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the help and information.  I am correct on the names of the
> parents and husband?
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 24, 2018 3:07 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Questions on name and help
>
>
>
> Bob C,
>
>
>
> You did a great job of picking out the names on this one.
>
>
>
> Yes, the daughter can use the mom's name. It's common. It just may be the
> first incident in your family. Cheri
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:50 AM, 'Bob's AOL Accounts' via Azores
> Genealogy  wrote:
>
> Hi I have been looking for my family in Terceira, in the village of
> Ribeirinha.  I was looking through death records from 1890 to 1899, and in
> the year of 1898 I came across death Record #49 (and there is two pages)
> for Maria Evangelho, that was married to Francisco Jose Bettencourt, it
> also shows that she is the daughter of Joao Goncalves (looks to be) Couta
> and mother is (looks to be) Luzia Evangelho.
>
>
>
> Now here is my questions, one of the surname I am researching is
> Evangelho, no I know that some types a female is given another name and it
> sometimes used over and over, but I am wondering why the Evangelho name,
> for both daughter and Mother, is it possible they wanted to keep the
> Evangelho name or was it used for another reason.  I asking to see if
> someone else has came across this.  I know where the Male has used the
> mother’s last name as his last name but I have not come across it with the
> Mother and Daughter either keeping that last name, or am I looking at this
> wrong?
>
>
>
> Here is the two pages of the link
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-
> AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899_item1/P143.html
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-
> AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>
>
>
> It is item #49 bottom of the page and goes to the next page.
>
>
>
> Thanks Bob Camacho
>
> Researching, Camacho, Madeira, da Costa, Evangelho, Terceira and dos Reis
> from Graciosa
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Questions on name and help

['Bob's AOL Accounts' via Azores Genealogy]

Thank you for the help and information.  I am correct on the names of the 
parents and husband?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 3:07 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Questions on name and help

Bob C,

You did a great job of picking out the names on this one.

Yes, the daughter can use the mom's name. It's common. It just may be the first 
incident in your family. Cheri


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:50 AM, 'Bob's AOL Accounts' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Hi I have been looking for my family in Terceira, in the village of Ribeirinha. 
 I was looking through death records from 1890 to 1899, and in the year of 1898 
I came across death Record #49 (and there is two pages) for Maria Evangelho, 
that was married to Francisco Jose Bettencourt, it also shows that she is the 
daughter of Joao Goncalves (looks to be) Couta and mother is (looks to be) 
Luzia Evangelho. 
 
Now here is my questions, one of the surname I am researching is Evangelho, no 
I know that some types a female is given another name and it sometimes used 
over and over, but I am wondering why the Evangelho name, for both daughter and 
Mother, is it possible they wanted to keep the Evangelho name or was it used 
for another reason.  I asking to see if someone else has came across this.  I 
know where the Male has used the mother’s last name as his last name but I have 
not come across it with the Mother and Daughter either keeping that last name, 
or am I looking at this wrong?
 
Here is the two pages of the link
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899_item1/P143.html
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
 
It is item #49 bottom of the page and goes to the next page.
 
Thanks Bob Camacho
Researching, Camacho, Madeira, da Costa, Evangelho, Terceira and dos Reis from 
Graciosa
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Questions on name and help

[Cheri Mello]

Bob C,

You did a great job of picking out the names on this one.

Yes, the daughter can use the mom's name. It's common. It just may be the
first incident in your family. Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:50 AM, 'Bob's AOL Accounts' via Azores Genealogy
 wrote:

> Hi I have been looking for my family in Terceira, in the village of
> Ribeirinha.  I was looking through death records from 1890 to 1899, and in
> the year of 1898 I came across death Record #49 (and there is two pages)
> for Maria Evangelho, that was married to Francisco Jose Bettencourt, it
> also shows that she is the daughter of Joao Goncalves (looks to be) Couta
> and mother is (looks to be) Luzia Evangelho.
>
>
>
> Now here is my questions, one of the surname I am researching is
> Evangelho, no I know that some types a female is given another name and it
> sometimes used over and over, but I am wondering why the Evangelho name,
> for both daughter and Mother, is it possible they wanted to keep the
> Evangelho name or was it used for another reason.  I asking to see if
> someone else has came across this.  I know where the Male has used the
> mother’s last name as his last name but I have not come across it with the
> Mother and Daughter either keeping that last name, or am I looking at this
> wrong?
>
>
>
> Here is the two pages of the link
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-
> AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899_item1/P143.html
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-
> AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899_item1/P144.html
>
>
>
> It is item #49 bottom of the page and goes to the next page.
>
>
>
> Thanks Bob Camacho
>
> Researching, Camacho, Madeira, da Costa, Evangelho, Terceira and dos Reis
> from Graciosa
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Questions on name and help

['Bob's AOL Accounts' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi I have been looking for my family in Terceira, in the village of Ribeirinha. 
 I was looking through death records from 1890 to 1899, and in the year of 1898 
I came across death Record #49 (and there is two pages) for Maria Evangelho, 
that was married to Francisco Jose Bettencourt, it also shows that she is the 
daughter of Joao Goncalves (looks to be) Couta and mother is (looks to be) 
Luzia Evangelho. 

Now here is my questions, one of the surname I am researching is Evangelho, no 
I know that some types a female is given another name and it sometimes used 
over and over, but I am wondering why the Evangelho name, for both daughter and 
Mother, is it possible they wanted to keep the Evangelho name or was it used 
for another reason.  I asking to see if someone else has came across this.  I 
know where the Male has used the mother’s last name as his last name but I have 
not come across it with the Mother and Daughter either keeping that last name, 
or am I looking at this wrong?

Here is the two pages of the link
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899_item1/P143.html
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-O-1890-1899_item1/P144.html

It is item #49 bottom of the page and goes to the next page.

Thanks Bob Camacho
Researching, Camacho, Madeira, da Costa, Evangelho, Terceira and dos Reis from 
Graciosa

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Cheri Mello]

Good to know that there's some content there. The librarian made it sound
like a catalog only - like an index. She said if I wanted information, to
use the CCA. I guess because I was doing genealogy she thought perhaps I
wasn't interested in other content.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Hana Johnson  wrote:

> Thank you for sharing the links. There are also ebooks and journals that
> are interesting to read in Google Books and Internet Archives. I came
> across a Volumes 4, 8, and 12 of Arquivos Açorianos in Google Books. They
> are interesting and help me to understand the place and lives of my
> ancestors. Even if one doesn’t read Portuguese, with a dictionary and Bing
> translator one can slowly figure it out. Here is the link to Volume 8 of
> Arquivos Açorianos:
>
> https://books.google.com/books?id=yIkDYAAJ=
> PA494=arquivos+açorianos=en=X=0ahUKEwiW0-
> 22mrjcAhUTNX0KHVsxCmgQ6AEIMjAC#v=onepage=arquivos%20açorianos=false
> 
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 5:41 AM Joe Matias  wrote:
>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 10:38 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Joe Mendonca, I did not know that the Ponta Delgada archives would scan
>>> for you. Good to know.
>>>
>>> Joe Matias, the Archeevo site is the Archives Catalog. Any type of card
>>> catalog doesn't provide detailed information. Catalogs, by nature, are just
>>> a type of index. Maybe you missed my post on the Archives Catalog. Here it
>>> is for your reference: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/azores/
>>> NVx8qfbhNZM
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Joe Matias 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ok,good to know.I have been on the archeevo site but did not get
 detailed info,but still very useful.

 On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 5:39 PM Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

> Altino,
> That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not
> contain the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
> inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
> for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
> off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
> really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also 
> deceased.
> 
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy
>  wrote:
>
>> Joe, you can research from home here :
>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx
>>
>> You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can
>> provide that link.
>>
>> Altino
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of
>> your search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive
>>> use of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
>>> Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to
>>> find them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered 
>>> them
>>> or perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other 
>>> archives.
>>>
>>> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
>>> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized 
>>> and
>>> followed a format.
>>>
>>> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in
>>> charge of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so 
>>> potentially
>>> 14 pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
>>> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
>>> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that 
>>> medicine
>>> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
>>> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
>>> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
>>> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
>>> paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Hana Johnson]

Thank you for sharing the links. There are also ebooks and journals that
are interesting to read in Google Books and Internet Archives. I came
across a Volumes 4, 8, and 12 of Arquivos Açorianos in Google Books. They
are interesting and help me to understand the place and lives of my
ancestors. Even if one doesn’t read Portuguese, with a dictionary and Bing
translator one can slowly figure it out. Here is the link to Volume 8 of
Arquivos Açorianos:

https://books.google.com/books?id=yIkDYAAJ=PA494=arquivos+açorianos=en=X=0ahUKEwiW0-22mrjcAhUTNX0KHVsxCmgQ6AEIMjAC#v=onepage=arquivos%20açorianos=false


On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 5:41 AM Joe Matias  wrote:

> Thank you!
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 10:38 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Joe Mendonca, I did not know that the Ponta Delgada archives would scan
>> for you. Good to know.
>>
>> Joe Matias, the Archeevo site is the Archives Catalog. Any type of card
>> catalog doesn't provide detailed information. Catalogs, by nature, are just
>> a type of index. Maybe you missed my post on the Archives Catalog. Here it
>> is for your reference:
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/azores/NVx8qfbhNZM
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Joe Matias 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ok,good to know.I have been on the archeevo site but did not get
>>> detailed info,but still very useful.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 5:39 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
 Altino,
 That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not
 contain the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
 inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
 for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
 off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
 really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also deceased.
 

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
 azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Joe, you can research from home here :
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx
>
> You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can
> provide that link.
>
> Altino
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>
> Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of
> your search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello 
> wrote:
>
>> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive
>> use of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
>> Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to
>> find them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered 
>> them
>> or perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>>
>> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
>> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
>> followed a format.
>>
>> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in
>> charge of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so 
>> potentially
>> 14 pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
>> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
>> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that 
>> medicine
>> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
>> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
>> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
>> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
>> paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada 
>> materna,"
>> Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
>> believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
>> furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
>> her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
>> tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>>
>> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some
>> exist from the 1700s.
>>
>> Not every ancestor will have an inventory or 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

[Cheri Mello]

Well, so much for the idea that the area could have been known as Rosario.
Rats.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 7:35 AM, Turlu  wrote:

> Moradores acima do Tanque - Above the tank (water tank).
>
> https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadalupe_(Santa_Cruz_da_Graciosa)
>
>
>- "Almas ,
>é uma localidade sito ao longo da via que liga Guadalupe às faldas da Serra
>Dormida. Teve escola primária própria (encerrada em 1993), tem a Ermida
>de São Miguel Arcanjo
> 
> dedicada
>no século XVIII , e
>um império datado de 1963 . Esta
>localidade inclui os *lugares de Tanque
>
> *
> e Manuel Gaspar  No
>lugar do Tanque existe um interessante reservatório de água, associado a
>três nascentes de água, com origens setecentistas, rodeado por um complexo
>de pias de lavagem de roupa, reflexo das graves dificuldades de
>abastecimento de água que se sentiram na ilha."
>
>
>
>
> segunda-feira, 23 de Julho de 2018 às 21:42:36 UTC, Cheri Mello escreveu:
>>
>> I do see the words "living above _" (moradores asima* of _) *=
>> should be acima. End of line 3. Maybe that's Nossa Senhora do Rosario?
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:36 PM, Cathy Bourgeois 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-
>>> GUADALUPE-B-1742-1757/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1742-1757_item1/P88.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail  for
>>> Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Cheri Mello
>>> *Sent: *Monday, July 23, 2018 5:35 PM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cathy B,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Did the record that you found say Guadalupe or Rosario?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, weird things I learned when becoming a teacher...syllables.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Cathy Bourgeois 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You are correct, Cheri.  I found the record in Guadalupe!  Thanks for
>>> the hint!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail  for
>>> Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Cheri Mello
>>> *Sent: *Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 PM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I tried searching in Portuguese and can't turn it up. Maybe there was a
>>> name change between then and now? The best I could come up with is the list
>>> of churches, ermidas, and imperios on Graciosa:
>>>
>>> https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_edifica%C3%A7%C3%B5es
>>> _de_car%C3%A1ter_religioso_dos_A%C3%A7ores#Ilha_Graciosa
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At least you are looking at Graciosa (only 4 parishes) and you are
>>> looking for an Amaro AND you have his parents. So it's do-able.  Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Cathy Bourgeois 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here’s the marriage link and it says the same thing
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-
>>> SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788_item1/P141.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>> I’ll start looking at Guadalupe first!
>>>
>>> Cathy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Cheri Mello
>>> *Sent: *Monday, July 23, 2018 4:31 PM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My guess is that the priest mean to say Nossa Senhora da Guadalupe or
>>> Nossa Senhora da Luz. Guadalupe and Rosario are both 4 syllables. Luz is
>>> only one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd get their marriage, which I would guess is in the bride's parish
>>> (Sao Jose in Ponta Delgada - I walked by that church every day last week)!
>>> That should help clarify it (hopefully). Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Cathy Bourgeois <
>>> cathybour...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you very much.  I guess I’ll have to go through all the 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question

[Turlu]

Moradores acima do Tanque - Above the tank (water tank).

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadalupe_(Santa_Cruz_da_Graciosa)


   - "Almas , 
   é uma localidade sito ao longo da via que liga Guadalupe às faldas da Serra 
   Dormida. Teve escola primária própria (encerrada em 1993), tem a Ermida 
   de São Miguel Arcanjo 
    
dedicada 
   no século XVIII , e um 
   império datado de 1963 . Esta 
   localidade inclui os *lugares de Tanque 
   
*
e Manuel Gaspar  No lugar 
   do Tanque existe um interessante reservatório de água, associado a três 
   nascentes de água, com origens setecentistas, rodeado por um complexo de 
   pias de lavagem de roupa, reflexo das graves dificuldades de abastecimento 
   de água que se sentiram na ilha."




segunda-feira, 23 de Julho de 2018 às 21:42:36 UTC, Cheri Mello escreveu:
>
> I do see the words "living above _" (moradores asima* of _) *= 
> should be acima. End of line 3. Maybe that's Nossa Senhora do Rosario?
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:36 PM, Cathy Bourgeois  > wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1742-1757/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1742-1757_item1/P88.html
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sent from Mail  for 
>> Windows 10
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>> *Sent: *Monday, July 23, 2018 5:35 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
>>
>>  
>>
>> Cathy B,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Did the record that you found say Guadalupe or Rosario?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Yeah, weird things I learned when becoming a teacher...syllables.
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Cathy Bourgeois > > wrote:
>>
>> You are correct, Cheri.  I found the record in Guadalupe!  Thanks for the 
>> hint!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sent from Mail  for 
>> Windows 10
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>> *Sent: *Monday, July 23, 2018 4:56 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
>>
>>  
>>
>> I tried searching in Portuguese and can't turn it up. Maybe there was a 
>> name change between then and now? The best I could come up with is the list 
>> of churches, ermidas, and imperios on Graciosa:
>>
>>
>> https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_edifica%C3%A7%C3%B5es_de_car%C3%A1ter_religioso_dos_A%C3%A7ores#Ilha_Graciosa
>>
>>  
>>
>> At least you are looking at Graciosa (only 4 parishes) and you are 
>> looking for an Amaro AND you have his parents. So it's do-able.  Cheri
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Cathy Bourgeois > > wrote:
>>
>> Here’s the marriage link and it says the same thing
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1764-1788_item1/P141.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> I’ll start looking at Guadalupe first!
>>
>> Cathy
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>> *Sent: *Monday, July 23, 2018 4:31 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
>>
>>  
>>
>> My guess is that the priest mean to say Nossa Senhora da Guadalupe or 
>> Nossa Senhora da Luz. Guadalupe and Rosario are both 4 syllables. Luz is 
>> only one.
>>
>>  
>>
>> I'd get their marriage, which I would guess is in the bride's parish (Sao 
>> Jose in Ponta Delgada - I walked by that church every day last week)! That 
>> should help clarify it (hopefully). Cheri
>>
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:36 PM, Cathy Bourgeois > > wrote:
>>
>> Thank you very much.  I guess I’ll have to go through all the freguesias 
>> if someone doesn’t know.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sent from Mail  for 
>> Windows 10
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *Rosemarie Capodicci 
>> *Sent: *Monday, July 23, 2018 3:34 PM
>> *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Freguesia on Graciosa Island question
>>
>>  
>>
>> Cathy, I don't see a place/church by that name either ( I also looked at 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Joe Matias]

Thank you!


On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 10:38 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Joe Mendonca, I did not know that the Ponta Delgada archives would scan
> for you. Good to know.
>
> Joe Matias, the Archeevo site is the Archives Catalog. Any type of card
> catalog doesn't provide detailed information. Catalogs, by nature, are just
> a type of index. Maybe you missed my post on the Archives Catalog. Here it
> is for your reference:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/azores/NVx8qfbhNZM
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>
>> Ok,good to know.I have been on the archeevo site but did not get detailed
>> info,but still very useful.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 5:39 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Altino,
>>> That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not contain
>>> the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
>>> inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
>>> for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
>>> off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
>>> really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also deceased.
>>> 
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Joe, you can research from home here :
 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx

 You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can
 provide that link.

 Altino

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:

 Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of
 your search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?


 On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive
> use of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
> Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to
> find them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them
> or perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>
> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
> followed a format.
>
> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in
> charge of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so 
> potentially
> 14 pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that 
> medicine
> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
> paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada 
> materna,"
> Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
> believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
> furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
> her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
> tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>
> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
> from the 1700s.
>
> Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to
> own property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one
> guy owed a lot of people a lot of money.
>
> They allowed me to take pictures with my camera (found out I need a
> different pair of reading glasses to take pictures). They said that the
> inventories are NEVER to be posted anywhere on the Internet. That means
> Ancestry.com, Geni.com, My Heritage, FamilySearch.org, your own
> personal page, etc. They consider the inventories private Yes, I 
> understand
> that if the person died in 1807, no one alive today was mentioned in that
> will. But they have their rules. I said it was going to be left on my
> computer so I could consult it. I would extract only genealogy information
> from the documents, but would never post an image of any them. So for 
> those
> utilizing the inventories/wills, do NOT post them ANYWHERE on 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventories (Inventarios) and wills

[Margaret Vicente]

Perhaps the staff is not aware of all the Arquivo contains.  There's a lot
of content not just indexing. It all depends what you are searching for.
There are transcripts and there are documents with digital representation,
meaning they can be viewed and downloaded, unfortunately it's all in
Portuguese. The search parameter is not easy to use.

Here's the link to a transcript, accounting for Horta's 1874 expostos,
budget etc

http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1240760

Here's a digital representation of genealogical nature, they may have done
it either as a sample. Ribeira Grande, Estrela baptisms

http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/viewer?id=1021142=1

Here's quite a bit of information of the Family Campos Medeiros

http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1347047

etc.

Margaret


On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 10:38 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Joe Mendonca, I did not know that the Ponta Delgada archives would scan
> for you. Good to know.
>
> Joe Matias, the Archeevo site is the Archives Catalog. Any type of card
> catalog doesn't provide detailed information. Catalogs, by nature, are just
> a type of index. Maybe you missed my post on the Archives Catalog. Here it
> is for your reference:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/azores/NVx8qfbhNZM
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
>
>> Ok,good to know.I have been on the archeevo site but did not get detailed
>> info,but still very useful.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 5:39 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Altino,
>>> That link does not have the inventories or wills and it does not contain
>>> the images of them. They were very explicit about NOT putting the
>>> inventories/wills online. They stated to me that the inventories/wills are
>>> for viewing only, as they are very private. Too bad they can't make a cut
>>> off date. Someone who died in the mid-1800s and had descendants won't
>>> really be invading their privacy, as all the descendants are also deceased.
>>> 
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:31 PM, 'Altino Demelo' via Azores Genealogy <
>>> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Joe, you can research from home here :
 http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/registos/Default.aspx

 You can also research on the Tombo website. Maybe someone else can
 provide that link.

 Altino

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 23, 2018, at 4:33 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:

 Do you have to be in Ponta Delgada in order to view all the pages of
 your search,or is there a way of doing so through the internet at home?


 On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 7:19 PM Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

> While I was in Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island, I made extensive
> use of the inventories or wills. I was able to find them on the Archives
> Catalog at http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/  I don't know how to
> find them for other islands. I don't think the other archives entered them
> or perhaps the inventories or wills are not housed at the other archives.
>
> The inventories and wills varied a lot and from time period to time
> period. The more recent ones were better, as they were more organized and
> followed a format.
>
> They started with a cover page, naming the deceased and who was in
> charge of their inventory. Some had maybe 7 pieces of paper (so 
> potentially
> 14 pages of information). Some had 144 pieces of paper (288 pages of
> information). The more "recent" ones (1920s forward) had a copy of the
> death certificate with the cause of death listed. Or the best that 
> medicine
> knew for that time period. They named children, grandchildren,
> great-grandchildren if they had any. If you can read the births and
> marriages, then you already know the words of "filhos" and "netos."
> "Bisnetos" are the great-grandchildren. Some listed relatives on the
> paternal side "pelo lado paterno" or the maternal side "pelo lada 
> materna,"
> Anytime I saw the word "familia" I scanned the page. Some listed what I
> believe were people they owed. Some listed what they owned, as in the
> furnishings and whatnot. My 2 great-grandmother's had a declaration from
> her husband. I don't know what it says yet. I'm waiting on my cousin to
> tell me. And there was a lot of legal stuff in there too.
>
> The earliest will/inventory that I looked at was from 1807. Some exist
> from the 1700s.
>
> Not every ancestor will have an inventory or will. You didn't need to
> own property to have an will or inventory. As I said, it appeared that one
> guy owed a lot of people a lot of