[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My Family Finder results
Sure these are my results. My family is from Pico primarily from Lajes. https://my.familytreedna.com/my-origins/ On Sunday, July 13, 2014 3:36:11 PM UTC-7, Isabella Baltar wrote: Hello Antonio, I'm not entirely of Terceira ancestry, my paternal ancestry is from Portugal arriving in Brasil on the first half of XIX century. My mother's side is from Terceira and Portugal, they arrived in Brasil with the great migration of the late XIX and beginning of XX century. Attached is a file named My Origins. Can you share yours as well? Is your family from Terceira? Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Sunday, July 13, 2014 12:13:14 PM UTC-4, Antonio Faria wrote: Hi Isabella Do you mind sharing your myOrigins percentages? I am just curious because of anthropological interests I have posted mine. Are you entirely of Terceira ancestry? Antonio On Saturday, July 12, 2014 4:57:18 AM UTC-7, Isabella Baltar wrote: I finally have my results on Family Finder, pretty exciting to see all the possibilities that opened with the test. I have only one 2nd/4th cousin from who I believe is from Terceira Island and from this group. I sent an email to this one. All the other results are in the 3rd/5th group. After waiting to a match come up on my mtDNA for more than one year and still waiting on that, it is great news to focus on other branches of my family. Looking forward hearing from others that may fit my tree. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My Family Finder results
Hi Isabella Do you mind sharing your myOrigins percentages? I am just curious because of anthropological interests I have posted mine. Are you entirely of Terceira ancestry? Antonio On Saturday, July 12, 2014 4:57:18 AM UTC-7, Isabella Baltar wrote: I finally have my results on Family Finder, pretty exciting to see all the possibilities that opened with the test. I have only one 2nd/4th cousin from who I believe is from Terceira Island and from this group. I sent an email to this one. All the other results are in the 3rd/5th group. After waiting to a match come up on my mtDNA for more than one year and still waiting on that, it is great news to focus on other branches of my family. Looking forward hearing from others that may fit my tree. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Early Settlers from the Island of Pico to Hawaii Before 1879
I find this list fascinating. Has anyone been able to connect any of the 31 names on the list to specific genealogies from the island of Pico? http://www.yourislandroutes.com/articles/picosettlers.shtml Antonio -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Venceslão Azevedo Jewish Connection? Ribeira Seca São Jorge
Hi Guida Azevedo is one of the surnames on the 1604 and 1623 lists for the Azores of New Christians taxed for a General Pardon. I don't see any however listed for Sao Jorge. If however you believe you have Jewish ancestry and have done the family finder test by uploading the raw data to Gedmatch you will get a much clearer picture. Unfortunately that site is down a lot so access to it is hit and miss. http://ladina.blogspot.com/2009/09/new-christiansbnei-anousim-from-azores.html http://ladina.blogspot.com/2007_06_01_archive.html Antonio On Sunday, July 6, 2014 2:10:10 PM UTC-7, Guida wrote: Greetings List, I'm back! I finally finished Grad School and am resuming research of my grandfather, Manuel Silveira Azevedo (born 2/13/1862, Fajã dos Cubres, Ribeira Seca, São Jorge; died 1/9/1929, Page Ranch, Vallejo, Solano County, California) I am very grateful to many on this list for info found so far: Dee Mello, Maggie Sutton, ESharp, João Ventura, Doug Holmes, Cheri, and so many more!! I love my Portuguese relatives!! My sister and I hope to visit my grandfather's village and more of the Azores next spring 2015. I hope to reconnect with possible relatives again. One woman, named Cheryl (email I have for her no longer works), said there may be a Sephardic Jewish connection to my Azevedo line. Any ideas on this? Obrigada-- Guida Leicester -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Joe Silvey - Canada
Great article E, This article talks about Joseph Silveys genealogy and includes a picture of him with one of his native wife's. http://portuguesepioneersofbc.blogspot.com/2011/08/portuguese-joe-early-vancouver-volume.html Antonio Faria On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:17:37 PM UTC-7, E Sharp wrote: This is an very interesting article. Since my spouse is also a carver it is particularly interesting to me. http://www.straight.com/arts/671511/coast-salish-carver-luke-marston-explores-portuguese-roots-stanley-park-sculpture E -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: The Genetic Makeup of Azoreans Versus Mainland Portugal Population
The study is interesting although I don't think it accurately represents the population of the Azores for various reasons I will list a few of my concerns. Terceira represents about 23% of the population of the Azores 8% of the samples are from Terceira. The islands have never been studied individually on their own these types of studies tend to cluster the samples in one category as Azores or split the samples into three groups of islands. The Azores were settled over a period of about 200 years from people from various parts of Portugal and other nationalities as well and tended to cluster near others that were most similar to them. In the island of Pico we have 13 freguesias each with a different accent and each has unique traditions. Until the islands are studied individually I don't think the information is very reliable. I personally share Dna with people from 5 other islands but when I take a look at the results for the various islands on the Azores Dna Project it is apparent to me that there are significant differences genetically between the islands. I think there are trends that have not been picked up yet by genetic studies are we also need more people to test before we get a clearer picture. Antonio On Monday, June 23, 2014 8:14:14 PM UTC-7, E Sharp wrote: Here is an interesting site for all you DNA geniuseswhich I am NOT..but what I did understand I found interesting. http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs/21207.pdf E -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: The Genetic Makeup of Azoreans Versus Mainland Portugal Population
Hi E, I have been utilizing the admixture feature on Gedmatch to get a better understanding of the settlers to Pico Island my closest match was when 4 populations were used. 25% Norwegian 25% Portuguese 25% Spanish 25% Sephardic Jews I think Norwegian in reality represents for the most part Flemish ancestry. My Dna is also more proximal to the Spanish regions of Galicia and Extremadura than Portugal in general. Which really isn't surprising since most of the settlers to the Azores were from the Minho and Alto Alentejo regions of Portugal which border Galicia and Extremadura. Antonio On Monday, June 23, 2014 8:14:14 PM UTC-7, E Sharp wrote: Here is an interesting site for all you DNA geniuseswhich I am NOT..but what I did understand I found interesting. http://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs/21207.pdf E -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Possible Portuguese Names for this couple
Hi Marilyn Another popular name in the azores that starts with C is Costa. Some surnames are popular in some islands and villages and not others I believe the surname Luis is frequently found on the island of Faial and Madalena, Pico. If I recall I don't think it is found very frequently in Sao Jorge which is where many Azoreans from Merced are from. The other islands I'm as familiar with. Antonio On Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:23:04 PM UTC-7, Marilyn Thompson wrote: I am helping someone with their family history. What would be the possible Portugese names for Fred C Lewis? All I know is that on the 1940 Census he is listed as Fred C Lewis birthplace as Portugal and immigrated in 1900. At this point I just need name suggestions. His wife is Mary and I know that would be Maria. She came is 1902 also shows Portugal. They are on the 1920 Census for Merced, California with children Fred C Lewis http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1920usfedcenindiv=tryh=5493883 30 [35] Mary A Lewis http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1920usfedcenindiv=tryh=5493884 30Mary Lewis http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1920usfedcenindiv=tryh=5493885 11 Antony Lewis http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1920usfedcenindiv=tryh=5493886 6Annie Lewis http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1920usfedcenindiv=tryh=5493887 5 Roya Lewis http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1920usfedcenindiv=tryh=5493888 3Fred Lewis http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1920usfedcenindiv=tryh=5493889 0 [7/12] Thanks for any and all suggestions Marilyn -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: What was the average life span for Azorean women in the 1700s?
I checked my wife's and my lines for Lajes do Pico and came up with an average of 67 years the youngest died at 25 the oldest at 82. They were all born between 1733 and 1788. Antonio On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:22:48 AM UTC-7, IslandRoutes wrote: I'm working through the Achada marriages in the mid to late 1700. As I've been taking notes on all of them, I've been stricken by something. A good majority of the mothers are deceased by the time their children marry. I have made any determination of ages. But, I suspect many didn't make it into or past their 50s. The fathers did fare a little better. Does anyone know if what I'm seeing during that century in Achada is the norm for the Azores? I know from other research that pregnancy and child birth took many women before the 1900. It didn't really seem to matter where the woman lived (my 2nd great grandmother died in San Francisco in the 1870 after complications of childbirth...and I can list other anecdotal examples). Anyway, it's just something that caught my eye. When you see them listed as deceased one after another it kind of catches you off guard. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA mini Father's Day sale (though 11:59 pm CDT June 17)
Hi Cheri I am curious has anyone in the Azores Dna Project tested for the Big Y yet? Antonio On Monday, June 9, 2014 9:57:08 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and IslandRoutes lists) OK, I guess Bennett changed his mind! Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) will have a mini sale for about a week on Family Finder (regularly $99 now $79) and the Big Y. Watch Bennett's lecture in my previous post to the Azores list (or here it is again: goo.gl/4krRTa ) and contact one of us DNA admins before ordering the Big Y. I don't believe anyone in the Azores or Madeira projects actually NEEDS a Big Y test. FTDNA's sale announcement: Father's Day is almost here and that means a new Family Tree DNA sale! Here's what the sale will entail: From *6/9/2014* to *6/17/2014*, we will be offering: *Family Finder http://sendgrid.familytreedna.com/wf/click?upn=HQyJJcAJOG-2FE9UCORIaRzQcnr7eQPU24ZB11Vpije3EKETEWSk4DjSv-2FC8D-2FwV4lhG9fcNXONMO24Lx2okKnztRsW01-2Fn7EcyJ3bZV8LXnfSiTxb3EnSRIarHiliViQf0LYUkq1r3MQ-2BtQTeSpQGb3F8Wp4rjnxFpFRh2F99qrg-3D_Qg6dkm52nyTRSKzcCx2DtCqqIqQjXKKvf7liu9OVJ78PZzom11Es4zc3Jq7os8hWbRywX-2FUy4VzPoeXdb1dXMElnOo9svT0Glnz9rmrbBJVXyfnK1BZA-2FnNz9AXeNg3M2-2FIBr487I6xKqCbet2exMWrqzz54taRWgD6ACnsd35uLHlyuc1bgNgP54mXaxOpxQboSrFGSUnI-2FEMJ5hLAZDAuxqsTpTmDt8Ns7Qkt-2BjQ7y0MiIP8e8blwCf1gNLorRT9Qn1oZ6-2Bb5u1so9EyImL6lYd2-2FkUvHN-2BQRN6nEZdLRFcZ0zkXIbfLojCsmpFkMQtoUCv8D4gr92K6hS33zUyhl0p2D4YjArOz25ORQAuWrdTDzqI-2Bv5UVHxesyph6Df3HW3TZtbK9DxYMDDNby1Fg-3D-3D* - *$79 *($99) *Big Y http://sendgrid.familytreedna.com/wf/click?upn=8UNIXODAKNrLIOYhmEi31a0PvpKSDGu01fcjuu2-2FnGxcrLqqlPFjG0TBT62YT2CKTJ8OhfpaRpbJA-2BeRH-2B0bXmirCot40pk0-2FipdklArTJsGAqwW8eIWHN5h-2B7DN1elPTt9Pl1tliT3JtoatgnuiKA-3D-3D_Qg6dkm52nyTRSKzcCx2DtCqqIqQjXKKvf7liu9OVJ78PZzom11Es4zc3Jq7os8hWDhzkmEqZrhzzVDO7bCgsVniwfCnxW-2FAOY3eLJK8wZ4VXDhqQ0g9yqZzrADGpc3j09Jjar24F4v3g0QUDlAxMFYqxDqaIt0APrDKMNLZPxJHrTjF83gvIu5qwSAEw8dC1sYE0PfnjDk6p1zBC3T-2BagLAKebfMNyG7ahDVlIwXAJos2B9YQQxIiBGfCw66Ml2cRuwqqiyqIrvIaid5QJv1fz7SNKyL-2FAGa0rZgSTXxFzyVWyzDZICfHc-2FAtX3odm43D-2Bgx5bQI0wwfiGJSjtXmDcNUsSY-2F-2Fzt3emjerrceBdyuUYjJPV6J5CJZr6CWs4PMagP47y9DGkfZ1H-2FHbAuJ9A-3D-3D* - *$595 * ($695) Additionally, customers that have already purchased a Big Y test will receive a coupon for $100 off another Big Y! This coupon is valid through 6/17/2015 and can be used on any Big Y order. The best part is that if you combine it with the Father's Day sale, customers can get Big Y for only $495! Back to me, Cheri: If you are interested, order through your respective project below. Azores: http://goo.gl/Dm6Ih2 Madeira: http://goo.gl/rJmuVU Cheri Mello, Rick Pimentel, Nancy Jean Baptiste, and Kalani Mondoy FTDNA Project Admins (volunteer) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree DNA mini Father's Day sale (though 11:59 pm CDT June 17)
Do you know if there a cheat sheet that identifies the old and new Clade/Subclade designations of the Y-DNA tree on the same page? On Monday, June 9, 2014 4:22:49 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: Out of 339 men, 7 have ordered the Big Y but only 2 of those men are of Portuguese descent on their Y line. The other 5 are of Portuguese descent on their mtDNA line or one of their middle lines which Family Finder would cover. Of the 2 men who have tested their Big Y, one is married to a project administrator. She's big into DNA, so I'm sure her husband was the hapless guinea pig. I don't know why the other guy tested. He has no significant 37 marker matches that are Portuguese yet. And to answer your next question, he's R-P312 and has the WAMH. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Y-DNA of Manuel Fernandes Machado from Pico
Doug, What Village was Manuel Fernandes Machado born in? On Monday, June 9, 2014 4:37:53 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: I have received a request for DNA testing for a male whose end of line direct paternal ancestor is Manuel Fernandes Machado, husband of Maria Marques. He was born in the late 1600s on Pico. Since he is not my own ancestor, he does not qualify for the free testing I am offering on my project, but might be in the ancestry of someone else who is very interested in his Y-DNA haplotype. www.dholmes.com/DNA-end-of-line-ancestors.html Contact me here if interested: terc...@dholmes.com javascript: Doug da Rocha Holmes Pico Terceira Genealogist = Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants. Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com javascript: = -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Y-DNA of Manuel Fernandes Machado from Pico
No he isn't my ancestor. On Monday, June 9, 2014 6:54:51 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Hi Antonio, Also, FYI, I got another person yesterday who does qualify for free testing. His line goes to my ancestor Vasco Martins. Is he also yours? Doug da Rocha Holmes Pico Terceira Genealogist = Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants. Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com javascript: = Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Y-DNA of Manuel Fernandes Machado from Pico From: Antonio Faria antoni...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Mon, June 09, 2014 6:37 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Cc: terc...@dholmes.com javascript: Doug, What Village was Manuel Fernandes Machado born in? On Monday, June 9, 2014 4:37:53 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: I have received a request for DNA testing for a male whose end of line direct paternal ancestor is Manuel Fernandes Machado, husband of Maria Marques. He was born in the late 1600s on Pico. Since he is not my own ancestor, he does not qualify for the free testing I am offering on my project, but might be in the ancestry of someone else who is very interested in his Y-DNA haplotype. www.dholmes.com/DNA-end-of-line-ancestors.html Contact me here if interested: terc...@dholmes.com Doug da Rocha Holmes Pico Terceira Genealogist = Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants. Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com = -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA information (New Admin; Conference Sale; AncestryDNA)
Hi Joao I would suspect that those that are unhappy didn't read the fine print or didn't understand the product that they were purchasing I have spent a lot of money with my Y-dna and mtDna upgrades and don't regret one penny that I have spent. I disagree with you that these tests will by dumped due to disinterest rather I am optimistic that with a more robust database of samples we will all benefit. I would encourage any of you that have been thinking about it to test. I have had an excellent experience otherwise I would have never known my paternal line was Jewish and my maternal line likely Flemish I have also made many great contacts and learned so much discussing results with my matches it's been a lot of fun. Best Regards Antonio Faria On Sunday, June 8, 2014 1:34:02 PM UTC-7, João Ventura wrote: Hi all, It does make sense that they'll retire the mtDNA and y-DNA tests.. Here in the Azores group, it might actually be useful, but in the general case (like mine), I don't think those tests have a lot of happy costumers. I think a lot people who do those tests feel cheated in the beginning. The basic Y-12 and mtDNA give thousands of possible entries, which are not useful in genealogy (mostly anthropology). You need to invest in Y-37+ and full mtDNA to really narrow down, and most likely it will be so narrow that you won't match anyone. By that time, you've spent so much that I'm sure the number of satisfied costumers must be so small, that Ancestry.com decided to get rid of the hassle by dumping the tests. My great-grandmother was an exposta, so I'll be really happy if I ever get a mtDNA match, but I'm not holding my breath.. The mailand gene pool is simply larger than the Azores, and there's so few of us testing in FTDNA. FTDNA is getting a lot better in their UI, I seriously hope that one day, we'll be able to share GEDCOMs. My wife's already matched a few people, where we've been able to trace the common ancestors, but FTDNA only allows me to mark them as Nth cousin. I'd really like to be able to pinpoint which ancestor she shares with that match, and from then on having an option to see their GEDCOM version starting from that ancestor. FTDNA could possibly then use that info on their match algorithms. João Ventura http://tombo.pt/en Disclaimer: FTDNA has proposed an affiliate scheme, where I will eventually get a comission on all FTDNA referrals from tombo.pt that end up on a purchase. However, I've been their client from before that, so my opinions on FTDNA are not influenced in any way by this future deal. On Sunday, 8 June 2014 20:11:33 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote: Yes, they can only get the raw data. They won't transfer the sample. So, for people wanting to upgrade, they just have to start over. :( And it's REALLY frustrating if someone's relative tested on Ancestry and they are deceased. There's many reasons why I chose Family Tree DNA over Ancestry. But for the purpose of this thread, I will state that FTDNA stores the samples for at least 25 years. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: MtDNA Haplogroup J
Good Morning Patricia, In order to have an mtDna match that is genealogically significant you would need to upgrade to Full Sequence even then you could only verify whether the match is is more recent or distant through comparison of genealogical records an HRV1 match has a 50% chance of being within the last 1,300 years however reviewing your matches at this level will give you anthropological insight on your mother in laws ancestry. MtDna haplogroup J mutation is believed to have come from a woman that lived in the Near East or Caucasus region 45,000 years ago and is equally frequent in Europe(particularly norther Europe) and the Middle East. This Ftdna link clarifies matching levels.https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/mtdna-testing/tell-closeness-relationship/ It is also interesting that I match your husband's mother on family finder and have no recorded genealogical ancestors from Sao Miguel. Antonio On Friday, June 6, 2014 12:41:35 PM UTC-7, Patricia Straube wrote: We just received the MtDNA results for my husband's mother, Mary Elsie Amaral. Only the basic test was performed but there were no matches at HVR1 and HVR2. There were over 1000 matches at HVR1 alone and while that is interesting, it is not that helpful. She is a part of the Family Tree DNA Azores Project but her results haven't appeared on the MtDNA results page. She belongs to Haplogroup J and her earliest known ancestor in the female line is Anna de Jesus Pavão, who married Francisco Sousa and whose daughter, Rosa de Jesus, was called a native of Ribeirinha, when her children were baptized at Nossa Senhora da Estrela, Ribeira Grande, São Miguel, beginning in 1868. Rosa de Jesus married Jose Raposo, also called Jose Raposo Pombeiro. Sorry, but because this is Ribeira Grande, I don't have any birthdates or marriage dates for them yet. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Anyone researching Antonio do Monte/Agada Rapozo Achada/Nordestinho?
Good Morning, I don't have any information on a specific Monte family but I will translate information according to the encyclopedia Familias Nobres Suas Origens E Suas Armas written in 1961 by Antonio Machado de Faria, which contains all the noble families in Portugal and their coat of arms. Regarding the surname Monte it states Surname of geographical origin, ancient not all families who use it have the same origin. The coat of arms attributed to this family belong to the Monte family of Rome and Venice I will summarize the rest because it doesn't translate well, the author goes on to say that the surname has also been generated in Portugal as well, and those lines aren't related to the aforementioned ones. Antonio On Monday, June 2, 2014 8:43:13 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: I don't know how common Monte is on Sao Miguel, but there is a Monte family from Sao Miguel from the late 1600s that settled in Terceira. But I suppose there could be a lot of ways and reasons a person could start using do Monte as a surname. Maybe they first lived in the castle at Monte do Brasil, moved to Sao Miguel, then back to Terceira. :-) Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Names, DNA, and assumptions!
Hi Kathy, I'm just curious if you are the kathleen Cardoza that I match on family finder does that line trace to Prainha Pico? Antonio Faria On Thursday, June 5, 2014 1:34:52 PM UTC-7, Kathy Cardoza wrote: I thought I’d share something with the list, and maybe help someone along the way …… We are always told to keep an open mind in genealogy, don’t have preconceptions, and investigate every possibility in our search for the truth. That lesson was brought home to me recently. As background, my 3GG were Francisco Pereira da Rosa and Maria Delfina who married and had their children in Flamengos, Faial. I found 8 children for them as well as followed their ancestors back years ago. Child #1 was my 2GG, Francisco Pereira da Rosa (we’ll call him Frank Jr.). More girls, then Child #4 was a Manuel (we’ll call him Manuel #1). The rest were girls until you got to child #8, another Manuel (we’ll call him Manuel #2). This family emigrated to Washington Twp., Alameda Co. California and I have documented them and their children forward in time. I had “assumed” all these years, that Manuel #1 had died as a child or infant because Manuel #2 had married in CA and had 10 kids ….. I don’t think I ever searched for his obito. So, fast forward to a couple of days ago ……. I was contacted by another researcher who, in the process of checking out a match on FTDNA, realized that her match was related to my Rosa family. I was skeptical at first because I thought this Manuel had died early and didn’t ever have a family. Anyway, to shorten this story, after a search on Ancestry, I found some descendants of this Manuel #1. None of these people knew where Manuel was from or anything about his lineage. But, among their sources, were obituaries on Manuel #1 and his siblings listed, including married names, all matched up to my family!! Now, my 2GG, Frank Jr., always used Rosa or later, Rose, as their surname as did Manuel #2….. all Roses. This newfound Manuel #1 used the name of Rodgers, Manuel Pereira Rodgers, and all his descendants are Rodgers, also! Now this “new” Manuel was originally know as Manuel Pereira Rosa, just like his younger brother, Manuel #2. He settled and lived in Petaluma, Sonoma Co., CA while his other two brothers lived in Centerville and Alvarado in Alameda Co. Another little interesting tidbit here is that some years ago, I interviewed an older cousin of my grandmother. She was 90 years old then but she told me there were some brothers who kept using Rosa and some that used Rodgers. I investigated that, halfheartedly because, remember the two brothers I knew of, used Rosa and the third one I had assumed to die early. Hmmph! Well, I was sure wrong and now have a whole additional branch to my Family Tree! So, the moral of this little story is NOT to make assumptions. Usually when there are more than two children born in a family with the same given name, it means the first one died early. But, not always! It seems crazy to me that that this family named two children both Manuel, but then they also named two of their daughters Maria Delfina! And they both lived, married, and had kids. So, you just never know! And, DNA does work and IS helpful! If you haven’t submitted yours yet, get ‘er done! You never know what connections you might find. Kathy ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html Climb my Family Tree: http://www.kathys-place.com/index.html ~~~ -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] List of Properties on Pico in 1517 owned by Jos Dutra Captain of Faial and Pico
Good morning, I found this interesting link I want to share written in Portuguese I found on the Nucleo Cultural da Horta site which lists the properties owned on Pico by Jos Dutra. You really get a sense that he was in a business partnership with Pero Anes do Canto who was also a big shot in the island of Terceira. Why is this important you are wondering? Well these two guys were very instrumental in the peopling of Pico island sending settlers from Faial and Terceira to develop the island, and it was no small feat considering that the island was hilly, rocky with shallow soil and had few accessible ports. http://www.nch.pt/biblioteca-virtual/bol-nch15/n15-11.html Antonio -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: List membership, posts, researchers for hire, DNA fundraising
I know this is going to sound real corny but can't we all just be kind to each other. I've really come to appreciate all of you, you are ALL wonderful people. Antonio -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Corisco Surname in Piedade Pico
Interesting fact I would like to share I found three branches of the surname Corisco in Piedade Pico on CITCEM. I have noticed that some people from Piedade speak with an accent that has characteristics of the island of Sao Miguel. Also near Pieadade one can also find places called Ribeira Seca, Ribeira Grande and Ribeirinha just like the county of Ribeira Grande in Sao Miguel and placed in the same order. This could explain my family finder matches to people from Sao Miguel. Antonio Faria -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA index?
Hi Dave, How old was Manuel when he immigrated to the US? If he was a child the only thing recorded on NEPS would be his first name and it would be followed by a question mark(Manuel?). You may have to look for a Manuel?, your best bet may be to look for all Manuel's born in 1884 on Pico and see if you find one born on Feb 25 1884 Antonio Faria -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jewish diaspora? That came out of nowhere!
Hi Herb, Do you know if you are matching Melinda through her Pico side or her Sao Miguel side of the family? What island is your other match from? Antonio -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: myOrigins - Roberta Estes' blog
Cheri, Looks like there is only three Mediterranan reference populations being used Spanish, Italian and Portuguese. If they are using customers Dna for the 25 Portuguese samples I bet most are from the Azores. That could be why my Jewish Dna that population finder was picking up is now in the North Mediterranean Basin. Antonio -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jewish diaspora? That came out of nowhere!
Hi Melinda, *Your results support my theory that the North Mediterranean Basin sometimes swallows up Jewish Dna. There are mtDna and y-Dna studies that prove Jewish admixture in Azoreans particularly from the central islands.* It isn't surprising that you are unaware of Jewish ancestry, because all Jews in Portugal were officially converted by 1496, prior to settling the islands. Antonio Faria -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jewish diaspora? That came out of nowhere!
Melinda were from the Azores are your fathers parents? Which Islands and Villages? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jewish diaspora? That came out of nowhere!
Melinda you match me through Family Finder I can see that your paternal grandmother is from Pico. Antonio -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: myOrigins results I was born in Lajes do Pico
I am also posting my y-Dna and mtDNA results. y-DNA Haplogroup J-P204 (formerly J2a4d) mtDNA Haplogroup T2b-T16296C! (yes the exclamation point is part of the designation) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] African Slaves in the Azores
This graphic illustrates areas in Morocco under Portuguese control from the 15th to 18th Centuries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Portuguese_Morocco.PNG http://groups.google.com/group/Azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/azores http://groups.google.com/group/Azoreshttp://groups.google.com/group/azores -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] myOrigins results I was born in Lajes do Pico
NORTH MEDITERRANEAN 69% EUROPEAN NORTHLANDS 15% EUROPEAN COASTAL ISLANDS 12% NORTH AFRICAN COASTAL 5% Seven of my great grandparents were born in Lajes do Pico one in Sao Roque. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] African Slaves in the Azores
Hi Laura, Slaves were primarily utilized in the Azores to work in the wheat fields. The Azores were initially settled and developed partially for the purpose of growing and supplying wheat to the Portuguese colonies in Morocco. Yes some people were wealthy enough to own slaves, some that settled the Azores were not from the lower classes. The clergy also kept slaves. Not all slaves were of sub-saharan African origin, some were Berbers, Asian Indians and even Chinese. For those that can read Portuguese this link discusses in detail slavery in Angra, Terceira in the 17th Century. http://repositorio.uac.pt/bitstream/10400.3/418/1/Hermina_Mesquita_p209-230.pdf Antonio On Friday, May 9, 2014 7:51:41 PM UTC-7, Laura wrote: Hi all, Just curious. To start with why were African slaves brought to the Azores?Was it at the sugar plantations? Where were the plantations located? Farming?Fishing industry? Were the people in the Azores wealthy enough to have slaves working in their households? I know they came to the Azores but why? Bella -Original Message- From: Erica Botelho audioso...@qwestoffice.net javascript: To: azores azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Sent: Fri, May 9, 2014 6:32 pm Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Slavery in Azores Emil, Thank you, I did find the article interesting. It seems that they started the process of ending slavery with several laws in the 1700’s and then another round in the 1800’s to completely end slavery. Erica *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto...@googlegroups.comjavascript:] *On Behalf Of *Emil *Sent:* Friday, May 09, 2014 7:08 AM *To:* Azores-Genealogy *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Slavery in Azores Hi Erica, I have attached an article from The New York Times of 24 May 1869. You and others may find it interesting and useful. Emil -- *From: *Erica Botelho audioso...@qwestoffice.net javascript: *To: *Azores-Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Sent: *Thursday, May 8, 2014 11:31:43 PM *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Slavery in Azores I recently found out that my husband’s 7th great-grandfather was listed as a black slave in his marriage record according to Canto’s index. I am very interested in finding out what life was like for slaves in Azores in the early 1700’s. I am hoping people in this group can suggest some books or websites that are informative on this subject. I don’t expect that I will find much information on his ancestor directly, but I am hoping to gather some information about what his life might have been like, how he might have gained his freedom in order to be married, and how his bride might have been treated during their marriage and after he passed away (they were only married for 6 years before he died). Thank you in advance for your ideas. Erica Botelho -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: MyOrigins surprise findings from Family Finder DNA testing
Hi Doug, I have shared with you my results in private but I will post them here. I was born on Pico island 7 of my 8 gr grandparents were from Lajes and 1 from Sao Roqu The honest reason I haven't felt compelled to Post is that I am disappointed that myOrigins isn't picking up most Sephardic Jewish dna as Middle Eastern, when it clearly is mostly of Middle Eastern origin a fact the is supported by various studies. I understand that my opinion is strictly conjecture not science but nonetheless I feel the need to state it. There are dna studies which point to higher Middle Eastern than North African Berber admixture in the Central Azores group of Islands I believe that my Middle Eastern(Jewish) Dna is getting picked up by the North Mediterranean Basin category, Berber dna is distinctive enough to be distinguished from Middle Eastern Dna so I doubt the North African Coastal is picking up Jewish Dna. Ftdna has only included Askenazi Jews in the Jewish Diaspora category. I have read posts of people claiming to be 100% Sephardic Jewish with no Jewish Diaspora results but are showing high percentages of North Mediterranean Basin. There are various genetic studies that indicate partial Jewish(converso) ancestry for Azoreans this link I'm posting points to Mtdna in the Central Islands of the Azores. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1469-1809.2003.00031.x/full myOrigins results North Mediterranean Basin 69% European Northlands 15% European Coastal Islands 12% North African Coastal 5% Antonio Faria On Wednesday, May 7, 2014 1:37:17 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: In regards the 1% of ancestry from Africa and another 1% from Asia, the way I understand it is if we look at a family tree for a person, it takes 7 generations back to get over 100 ancestors. At that level we have 128 if they are all different people. Of course, if any cousins married then there are actually fewer separate individuals. Since for my father, I know all his ancestors well beyond 7 generations back in the Azores, the only way to have an ancestor who was from from Africa or Asia must come from our ancestors in Chile, where we know only 4 generations back so far. Since 5% of his DNA says it's from the native population of the Americas and the most recent ancestor from Chile was 3 generations back where there are just 8 ancestors, 1/8th of his DNA should be from Chile which is 12.5%. If we say some percentage was from Spain to account for the Conquistadores and if at the 7th generation there is one from Africa and one from Asia, plus 5 who were natives, that leaves about 7-9 who were Spanish. That works out OK. It's a real life algebraic problem - don't see that much. But it's not really that simple, because I'm sure the Conquistadores married into the native population early on from the 1500s forward and so there are tiny percentages from each generation that are accumulating as we reach to the 7th generation for my father - that is the late 1600s for his Azores lines, so would be something similar for the lines in Chile. And so maybe there are many different lines of African and Asian ancestors which all together account for about 1% of his DNA for each of them. The only flaw in that is the fact his DNA was identified as from a specific part of Africa. If there were many lines, it would also seem there are many different parts of Africa. I hope some day I can trace them back a little further to resolve some of this. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: MyOrigins (Population Finder) is now available! From: pi...@dholmes.com javascript: Date: Tue, May 06, 2014 6:45 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Cc: Lionel Holmes lionelh...@gmail.com javascript: My father also got a similar surprise - 1% East African Pastoralists which the map shows as Uganda, South Sudan, Kenya. I suppose it comes from a slave. We have one exposta from the late 1600s which might account for this mysterious DNA. And it was interesting to see he has 6% Middle Eastern in the area of the Berbers - North African Coastlands. So my own 4% Middle Eastern in the area of Eastern Afroasiatic which the map shows as Jordan and surroundings must be coming from my mother's side. I guess this is because of the Turkish invasions into Hungary through the Balkins, because my wife, 100% Slovak has 6% of this same DNA. And my father also has another big surprise - 1% East Asian and specifically Asian Northeast which the map has around Korea and Japan and into Russia. My guess is the 1% African and 1% Asian must come from a couple slave ancestors. Very fascinating. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Slavery in Azores
Hi Erica, Where exactly in the Azores was your husbands ancestor from? Antonio On Thursday, May 8, 2014 8:31:43 PM UTC-7, audiosourceinc wrote: I recently found out that my husband’s 7th great-grandfather was listed as a black slave in his marriage record according to Canto’s index. I am very interested in finding out what life was like for slaves in Azores in the early 1700’s. I am hoping people in this group can suggest some books or websites that are informative on this subject. I don’t expect that I will find much information on his ancestor directly, but I am hoping to gather some information about what his life might have been like, how he might have gained his freedom in order to be married, and how his bride might have been treated during their marriage and after he passed away (they were only married for 6 years before he died). Thank you in advance for your ideas. Erica Botelho -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.
Hi Herb. It does help, I should have more clearly stated that Joao Vieira was and early settler to Pico from Portugal and that I think that Baltazar my genealogical paternal ancestor was his descendant was born on Pico. I can now identify three surnames found on both island Pico and Flores as early settlers Vieira, Fernandes and Gomes. Thanks for checking. On Saturday, April 19, 2014 8:36:00 PM UTC-7, Herb wrote: Hi Antonio. I looked through Volume VI and I did not see any Gonsalves listed as early settlers of Flores but it does mention that some of them were Pimenteis, Homens, Costas, Fernandes, Vazes, Gomes e Vieiras da juridiscacao de Santa Cruz. The paragraph references of a ermidia small church the ermidia de Sant'Ana and how these people were interred there. I did not find any mention of Baltazar or Joao Vieira. I hope this helps some. Herb -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.
Thanks Joao I started reading it yesturday. On Thursday, April 17, 2014 9:00:55 AM UTC-7, João Ventura wrote: You can find the books online at http://www.azoreangenealogy.com/biblioteca_acoreana_livros.htm João Ventura http://tombo.pt/en On Thursday, 17 April 2014 06:03:20 UTC+2, Antonio Faria wrote: I haven't actually ever seen Volume VI only read articles that refer to it I believe it contains some genealogy to six islands Terceira, Faial, Pico, Flores, Graciosa and Sao Jorge. On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 8:33:03 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: I haven't looked at that volume for Pico in at least 10, maybe 15 years, but it's somewhere in my collection in storage. Maybe it's also online these days... Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers. From: Antonio Faria antoni...@gmail.com Date: Wed, April 16, 2014 8:24 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com No I haven't been able to find Volume VI it is the only volume that references Pico. On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:36:51 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Primo Antonio, Did you ever look through Saudades da Terra for this info? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.
Does anyone know if a list exists of the original settlers of Flores island. I can trace my paternal line directly to Baltazar Vieira born in Pico about 1580, I think he may be descended from Joao Vieira that settled in Pico about 1509. I have 2 Y-dna matches from Flores island one of which the Ftdna software has predicted our common ancestor to be approximately 500 years ago. I suspect my line and theirs trace to Porto Portugal. I also have a hunch both of these two gentlemen's ancestors settled in 1510 on Flores because I have read that a ship full of settlers from the north of Portugal dropped off settlers there in 1510, and there are various other reasons why I think it likely but I won't list at this time. The surnames I am looking for specifically are Vieira, Goncalves and Anes. If anyone is aware of a cited document with the names of the original settlers to Flores please let me know. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.
John, that would be wonderful I really would appreciate it. On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:02:26 PM UTC-7, John Vasconcelos wrote: Antonio, I have a book A Ihla das Flores: da redescoberta a actualidade (Subsidios para s sua Historia) by Francisco Antonio Nunes Pimentel Gomes publshed by Camara Municipal das Flores, 2003. I suspect that it's out of print but may still be available from Camara das Lajes, Flores. If not, I would be glad to photocopy and send to you the chapter entitled Familias which covers all the original settling families. John Vasconcelos On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Antonio Faria antoni...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Does anyone know if a list exists of the original settlers of Flores island. I can trace my paternal line directly to Baltazar Vieira born in Pico about 1580, I think he may be descended from Joao Vieira that settled in Pico about 1509. I have 2 Y-dna matches from Flores island one of which the Ftdna software has predicted our common ancestor to be approximately 500 years ago. I suspect my line and theirs trace to Porto Portugal. I also have a hunch both of these two gentlemen's ancestors settled in 1510 on Flores because I have read that a ship full of settlers from the north of Portugal dropped off settlers there in 1510, and there are various other reasons why I think it likely but I won't list at this time. The surnames I am looking for specifically are Vieira, Goncalves and Anes. If anyone is aware of a cited document with the names of the original settlers to Flores please let me know. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.
I'll be happy to give it to you offline you can email me at antoniof1...@gmail.com On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 7:36:27 PM UTC-7, John Vasconcelos wrote: Great Antonio, It'll be a day or two before I can get to it.I'll be tied up most of he day tomorrow and Friday morning. It's 40 pages and Im not set up to scan it so I'll just have to photocopy it and snail mail it. What is your snail mail address? Regards, John Vasconcelos On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Antonio Faria antoni...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: John, that would be wonderful I really would appreciate it. On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 6:02:26 PM UTC-7, John Vasconcelos wrote: Antonio, I have a book A Ihla das Flores: da redescoberta a actualidade (Subsidios para s sua Historia) by Francisco Antonio Nunes Pimentel Gomes publshed by Camara Municipal das Flores, 2003. I suspect that it's out of print but may still be available from Camara das Lajes, Flores. If not, I would be glad to photocopy and send to you the chapter entitled Familias which covers all the original settling families. John Vasconcelos On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Antonio Faria antoni...@gmail.comwrote: Does anyone know if a list exists of the original settlers of Flores island. I can trace my paternal line directly to Baltazar Vieira born in Pico about 1580, I think he may be descended from Joao Vieira that settled in Pico about 1509. I have 2 Y-dna matches from Flores island one of which the Ftdna software has predicted our common ancestor to be approximately 500 years ago. I suspect my line and theirs trace to Porto Portugal. I also have a hunch both of these two gentlemen's ancestors settled in 1510 on Flores because I have read that a ship full of settlers from the north of Portugal dropped off settlers there in 1510, and there are various other reasons why I think it likely but I won't list at this time. The surnames I am looking for specifically are Vieira, Goncalves and Anes. If anyone is aware of a cited document with the names of the original settlers to Flores please let me know. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.
No I haven't been able to find Volume VI it is the only volume that references Pico. On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:36:51 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Primo Antonio, Did you ever look through Saudades da Terra for this info? Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers. From: Antonio Faria antoni...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Wed, April 16, 2014 4:36 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Does anyone know if a list exists of the original settlers of Flores island. I can trace my paternal line directly to Baltazar Vieira born in Pico about 1580, I think he may be descended from Joao Vieira that settled in Pico about 1509. I have 2 Y-dna matches from Flores island one of which the Ftdna software has predicted our common ancestor to be approximately 500 years ago. I suspect my line and theirs trace to Porto Portugal. I also have a hunch both of these two gentlemen's ancestors settled in 1510 on Flores because I have read that a ship full of settlers from the north of Portugal dropped off settlers there in 1510, and there are various other reasons why I think it likely but I won't list at this time. The surnames I am looking for specifically are Vieira, Goncalves and Anes. If anyone is aware of a cited document with the names of the original settlers to Flores please let me know. -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.
I haven't actually ever seen Volume VI only read articles that refer to it I believe it contains some genealogy to six islands Terceira, Faial, Pico, Flores, Graciosa and Sao Jorge. On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 8:33:03 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: I haven't looked at that volume for Pico in at least 10, maybe 15 years, but it's somewhere in my collection in storage. Maybe it's also online these days... Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers. From: Antonio Faria antoni...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Wed, April 16, 2014 8:24 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: No I haven't been able to find Volume VI it is the only volume that references Pico. On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 5:36:51 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Primo Antonio, Did you ever look through Saudades da Terra for this info? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: de Nazuque Surname Pico Island
I have found two Iberian Jewish surnames that are very similar to Nazuque but I still can't find any reference to Nazuque. The two surnames known to be used by Iberian Jews are Usque and Zacuto. On Friday, April 11, 2014 9:23:00 PM UTC-7, Antonio Faria wrote: I have book that lists a Fernando de Nazuque as one of the first settlers to the island of Pico in the Azores sometime between 1507 and 1509. That is the only reference I have ever seen anywhere regarding that surname in the Azores. I know that in the city of Andradina, SP Brazil there is a street named Nazaque Isabel de Oliveira however I have hit a brick wall researching this surname. Has anyone else ever come across this name? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] de Nazuque Surname Pico Island
I have book that lists a Fernando de Nazuque as one of the first settlers to the island of Pico in the Azores sometime between 1507 and 1509. That is the only reference I have ever seen anywhere regarding that surname in the Azores. I know that in the city of Andradina, SP Brazil there is a street named Nazaque Isabel de Oliveira however I have hit a brick wall researching this surname. Has anyone else ever come across this name? -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: first degree of consanguinity
Hi Dano, I wasn't referring to church law just providing an example where the incest taboo was exempt, the Hawaiian example came to mind. I am fascinated by their culture but incest among the elite did exist. I haven't read the book by James Michener or seen the movie but I suspect that it is slanted in favor of the missionaries. The native Hawaiians have a saying that goes something like this before the missionaries we had land and they had God now we have God and they have our land. Regarding the inquisition particularly in the Iberian peninsula I would consider that the darkest chapter in the Catholic churches history. More than 90% of those persecuted in the Iberian peninsula were of Jewish heritage it was a way to steal the wealth of the Jews(new Christians) and transfer it to the Crown and the Church thus concentrating power and wealth into two institutions. There was nothing holy about the Holy office of the Inquisition. The word Holey would more properly describe it. The interesting thing is now that Dna is bringing to light a heritage that was stolen from us. An observation that I would like to make as an American of Azorean ancestry I have been puzzled by the fact that I have noticed that many people of Azorean ancestry particularly of the older generation work so hard to establish a connection to our Flemish heritage and find a way to disregard our Jewish heritage. I suspect it has to do with our whiteness being in dispute at the turn of the century when many Azoreans were arriving in America. On Saturday, April 5, 2014 2:48:24 PM UTC-7, Dano wrote: Anthony, I admit that Church Law was flouted on a few occasions, mostly in England, but the Church dealt with that harshly, as evidenced by the establishment of the Inquisition. Europe was the Church's domain for the better part of the last millennium.The Church takes its laws very seriously. What happened in Hawaii was beyond Church law, and not within the Church's domain, but, all the same, Christian missionaries preached against those same native customs to which you refer. Have you not seen the film Hawaii, nor read the book, by the same name, written by James Michener - upon which the film was based? Perhaps you should. On Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:40:45 PM UTC-4, Antonio Faria wrote: The incest taboo among siblings has been exempt among royalty of various cultures throughout history, one example being the royal Hawaiian families in fact it was encouraged they believe such unions produces superiors specimens. On Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:57:25 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Of course. And that's why you don't ever see a 1st degree connection getting married. Frankly, it's surprising to me 1st and 2nd degree was ever allowed. Maybe it was a way to generate more money by the church, so they allowed it? I'm assuming they had to pay a bigger fee for dispensation, but it's possible even poor people could get it free. I'm changing the subject to reflect this discussion. Look for the previous comments under the subject Help with baptism from Ponta Garca. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Ponta Garca From: Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com Date: Sat, April 05, 2014 8:49 am To: Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com I thought a brother marrying a sister was forbidden by law in most countries and considered incest? So what is incest in the Azores and Portugal? Cheri Mello -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: first degree of consanguinity
The incest taboo among siblings has been exempt among royalty of various cultures throughout history, one example being the royal Hawaiian families in fact it was encouraged they believe such unions produces superiors specimens. On Saturday, April 5, 2014 8:57:25 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: Of course. And that's why you don't ever see a 1st degree connection getting married. Frankly, it's surprising to me 1st and 2nd degree was ever allowed. Maybe it was a way to generate more money by the church, so they allowed it? I'm assuming they had to pay a bigger fee for dispensation, but it's possible even poor people could get it free. I'm changing the subject to reflect this discussion. Look for the previous comments under the subject Help with baptism from Ponta Garca. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with baptism from Ponta Garca From: Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Sat, April 05, 2014 8:49 am To: Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: I thought a brother marrying a sister was forbidden by law in most countries and considered incest? So what is incest in the Azores and Portugal? Cheri Mello -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Please list your most distant ancestor's origins on the Azores Dna Project.
I have noticed that many people choose not to list any information about their most distant ancestor on the Azores Dna project that is too bad. Some of us share ancestors with them and we would all have a better understanding of our DNA if more people would list their most distance ancestor along with dates or at least list the island if they don't know the name of the village or city. That would also give those of us interested in genetic genealogy an indication of which samples on the site are Portuguese and which are not. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unfamiliar Surname - HOMEM
There is a river in the north of Portugal by the name of Homem in the minho region where many of our ancestors left from to settle the Azores islands. On Saturday, March 15, 2014 10:21:13 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: It just occurred to me that maybe some named Homem did change it by translating the name to MANN. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unfamiliar Surname - HOMEM From: Lionel Holmes lionelh...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Sat, March 15, 2014 8:22 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Re Holmes and Homem. My uncle, from Teceira, Jacinto Leal daRocha Homem, was the first to immigrate to the US. He served with US forces in World War I, and was active in the American Legion, being Commander of the Oakland chapter.. It was he who changed the name to Holmes, and when the rest of the family came over, including my father Manuel, they all changed to Holmes. Why Holmes I don't know. Why not Man, which is what Homem translates to. The name change was quite gradual. As noted in my book, Portuguese Pioneers of the Sacramento Area, the Sacramento City Directory for 1908 lists Jacinto R. Homem. The 1909 directory lists Jesse R. Homem. The 1911 directory lists Jesse R. Holmes. Lionel Rocha Holmes -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unfamiliar Surname - HOMEM
I have done some research and the surname Homem comes from the river Homem and it was a Pereira that took on that surname so it appears that the Homem's were originally Pereira. On Saturday, March 15, 2014 6:46:24 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote: HOMEM is common on Pico and Terceira. HOMEM da COSTA is a common combination. I get my name Holmes from Homem. It is commonly misspelled as HOMEN because when properly pronounced the end has sort of a ENG or EN ending. Plus, the H is silent, so the whole thing is like OMENG or OMEN. I'm sure there are variations depending on which island. Many named Homem on Faial trace back to Pico. And I believe most from Pico trace back to Terceira. There is a statue for Alvaro Martins Homem (I believe that's his name, but I'm not looking at any reference) who was one of the original settlers on Terceira. This is located close to the civil registry in the city of Angra, Terceira. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unfamiliar Surname From: Bryan Rodrigues brya...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Sat, March 15, 2014 5:07 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: My great grandmother who was born in Faial had the surname Homem. I had never heard the name or met anyone with the name before coming across it in family records but apparently it's common. There was a family of famous cartographers in the 1500s with the last name. I wonder if we are descendants. Lopo Homem and his son Diogo Homem and nephew Andreas Homem are the most well known of the family. Diogo's work is by far the best of the age. You can even buy a reproduction of his most famous work, but it isn't cheap http://www.moleiro.com/en/maps-atlases/universal-atlas.html. Diogo apparently lived a fugitive's life after killing someone in a fight. He went to England and then eventually to Venice. Other than that it's hard to find any information on him but the family's maps live on. I don't know if they lived in the Azores but they were certainly Portuguese. On Monday, June 21, 2010 5:38:35 PM UTC-4, Jacki G. wrote: Has any of you heard of the surname Homem? I came accross this name in my research of family in Cedros, Faial and I have never heard that name before. Thank you Jacki Pittsburg, California, USA Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Perriera, Azevedo, Furtado, Rapoza Islands: Faial Sao Miguel -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA Matches to Mexico
Manny I have looked a little closer at my family tree I descend from Baltazar Vieira through his son Manuel Vieira de Faria. Chances are you descend from the other son Francisco Vieira de Faria who Married Maria da Rosa April 27, 1643 in Sao Roque Pico, but it appear that he moved back to Sao Mateus after getting married and the records don't go back as far in that village. But you would know for sure if you tested your y dna if we came back a match. On Sunday, March 9, 2014 3:36:17 PM UTC-7, Manuel Martins wrote: Antonio, Interesting, I have a match in Mexico too, I'm getting further DNA analysis. I have a Baltazar Vieira d. 1706 from Sao Mateus, obvious a few year after the Baltazar you mentioned. Is my Baltazar in you tree? My mother's grandfather was from Sao Mateus. Best, Manny On Sunday, March 9, 2014 12:47:37 PM UTC-4, Antonio Faria wrote: I have taken the family finder test match someone whose ancestors are from Mexico particularly from Nuevo Leon I am of 100% Portuguese ancestry and was actually born on Pico island. I know that it is well documented that Sehardic conversos settled in Mexico starting in the 1560's some were born in Portugal, the governor of that region was Luis de Carbajal Y Cueva a new Christian that was born in Mogodouro Portugal. I matched one 10cm strand but a total of 26 to my match. I would like to know if anyone else of Azorean ancestry has matches to Mexico. I also matched two people to Mexico from my y dna I am haplogroup J2a4d which is consistent with Jewish paternal ancestry. I can trace my paternal line on paper to Baltazar Vieira born in Sao Mateus Pico about 1580 I think he is descended from Joao Vieira that arrived on Pico Island about 1509. The Lisbon massacre occcured in 1506 and king Manuel I began authorizing new Christians to settle in the islands in 1507. My ancestors port of departure I believe was Porto Portugal. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Cuba
During the Iberian Union which was approximately 1580 to 1640 Portugal and Spain remained separate countries technically, but had one king during that time I Azoreans immigrated to Puerto Rico I haven't done too much research on Cuba but I suspect there as well. Also Cuba was heavily settled by people from the Canary Islands Canary islander have some Portuguese ancestry. I can give a specific example of one family the Bettencourts started off in Normandy France but ended up in the Azores, first went to the Canary islands then Madeira some of them remaining there, before the Azores. On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 8:02:26 AM UTC-8, nancy jean baptiste wrote: Greetings Group, My brother has a strong DNA (E-M35.1) match in Cuba. I'm curious if many Azorean people went to Cuba? Did whaling ships stop there? Thanks, Nancy Jean Baptista Pico, Sao Jorge, Santa Maria -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Anyone else matching to Basque from the population finder test from Ftdna
The European portion of my population finder results match equally to Basque/Spanish is anyone else matching to Basque. From what I have read the Basques are somewhat unique genetically, and I thought I would have a clear match to Spanish because it the population most similar genetically to Portuguese people. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Matches to Mexico
I have taken the family finder test match someone whose ancestors are from Mexico particularly from Nuevo Leon I am of 100% Portuguese ancestry and was actually born on Pico island. I know that it is well documented that Sehardic conversos settled in Mexico starting in the 1560's some were born in Portugal, the governor of that region was Luis de Carbajal Y Cueva a new Christian that was born in Mogodouro Portugal. I matched one 10cm strand but a total of 26 to my match. I would like to know if anyone else of Azorean ancestry has matches to Mexico. I also matched two people to Mexico from my y dna I am haplogroup J2a4d which is consistent with Jewish paternal ancestry. I can trace my paternal line on paper to Baltazar Vieira born in Sao Mateus Pico about 1580 I think he is descended from Joao Vieira that arrived on Pico Island about 1509. The Lisbon massacre occcured in 1506 and king Manuel I began authorizing new Christians to settle in the islands in 1507. My ancestors port of departure I believe was Porto Portugal. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
