Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Francis Medeiros...Newport, R.I. Frank C. Medeiros is my Uncle

[George Medeiros]

Cordeiro 

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> On Oct 29, 2019, at 8:01 PM, Jose Medeiros  wrote:
> 
> What does C. stand for?
> 
>> On Monday, October 28, 2019 at 11:20:03 PM UTC-4, migueldeavery wrote:
>> Francis Medeiros 
>>Newport- Francis "Frank " Medeiros,82, of 5 Freeborn St. died Monday, 
>> Nov. 9,  1998, at Newport Hospital. He was the husband of Doris Rondeau 
>> Medeiros. 
>>Born in East Providence on Nov.28,1915, he was the son of the late Joseph 
>> and 
>> Virginia Pereira Medeiros. 
>>Mr. Medeiros had worked for Fairhaven Marine in Fairhaven, Massachusetts, 
>> as a 
>> yacht painter. He also worked in maintenance for the Aquidneck Medical 
>> Center for 13 years before retiring in 1989. 
>>   Besides his wife, he leaves a daughter, Pamela Halubesko of Newport; a 
>> brother George 
>> Medeiros of Newport; Alice Randall of Newark, Calif.; 14 nieces; nine 
>> nephews; and a grandson [ Keith Halubesko]. He was the brother of the late 
>> Joseph Medeiros, John Medeiros, Arthur Medeiros, Henry Medeiros, Pauline 
>> Mattos and Mary Trinidad. 
>>His funeral and burial will be private. 
>> From George M.Medeiros Jr. 
>> 
>> Is anyone on the list related to or know anything about my Grandfather Jose 
>> (Joseph) Medeiros' parents and Grandparents ? When he married my Grandmother 
>> Virginia Amelia Pereira they lived in Providence, R.I. I never knew him and 
>> he died when my father George Michael Medeiros Sr. was six months old. 
>> Francis "Frank" Medeiros is my Father's brother. We grew up around my 
>> Grandmother Virginia Pereira and her sister Theresa Pereira 
>> 
>> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Francis Medeiros...Newport, R.I. Frank C. Medeiros is my Uncle

[George Medeiros]

Francis Medeiros
   Newport- Francis "Frank " Medeiros,82, of 5 Freeborn St. died Monday, 
Nov. 9,  1998, at Newport Hospital. He was the husband of Doris Rondeau 
Medeiros.
   Born in East Providence on Nov.28,1915, he was the son of the late Joseph 
and 
Virginia Pereira Medeiros.
   Mr. Medeiros had worked for Fairhaven Marine in Fairhaven, Massachusetts, as 
a 
yacht painter. He also worked in maintenance for the Aquidneck Medical Center 
for 13 years before retiring in 1989.
  Besides his wife, he leaves a daughter, Pamela Halubesko of Newport; a 
brother George
Medeiros of Newport; Alice Randall of Newark, Calif.; 14 nieces; nine nephews; 
and a grandson [ Keith Halubesko]. He was the brother of the late Joseph 
Medeiros, John Medeiros, Arthur Medeiros, Henry Medeiros, Pauline Mattos and 
Mary Trinidad.
   His funeral and burial will be private.
>From George M.Medeiros Jr.

Is anyone on the list related to or know anything about my Grandfather Jose 
(Joseph) Medeiros' parents and Grandparents ? When he married my Grandmother 
Virginia Amelia Pereira they lived in Providence, R.I. I never knew him and he 
died when my father George Michael Medeiros Sr. was six months old. Francis 
"Frank" Medeiros is my Father's brother. We grew up around my Grandmother 
Virginia Pereira and her sister Theresa Pereira 





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Miguel people in Santo Amaro Sao Jorge

[George Medeiros]

I was just thinking about people living in the Azores traveling between the 
islands and wondering how common that travel took place. Recently I found that 
one of my greats
parents may have lived on Faial in Pedro Miguel. I notice when people are doing 
research, especially, those who are new at end don’t take into consideration 
that one family member left one island to marry another on different island. My 
surname is Medeiros and I have a friend also a Medeiros. My most recent 
Medeiros side is from Fenais de Ajuda, Riberia Grande and Arrifes, Sao Miguel 
but my friend’s Medeiros line is from Terceira. So we just dismissed any common 
ancestors at least in recent times. 
Anyway I found this very interesting  about the death records. George Medeiros

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> On Jul 7, 2019, at 10:18 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
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> I can't believe how much they traveled from one island to another! 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 9:02 PM William Seidler  wrote:
>> Yes there was definitely some moving around.  My wife's 3d great grandfather 
>> was born in Praia, Graciosa; showed up in Matriz de Sao Sebastiao, Ponta 
>> Delgada, Sao Miguel where he married a woman from Santo Amaro, Sao Jorge.  
>> The couple had their first child in Praia, Graciosa, a few months later, 
>> then their second and third in Urzelina, Sao Jorge.  I then lost track of 
>> him, but his wife died in Urzelina in 1901 and her obit said she was still 
>> married.
>> 
>> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help

[George Medeiros]

Roselyn, 
Umbelina Rosa is my great great great grandmother. Yes she drowned at sea. 
She and Antonio are the parents of my great great grandfather Manuel Correia 
Soares. They are the grandparents of my great grandmother Policena dos Anjos 
Correia Soares who married Jose d’Araujo Pereira. Policena had 16 children that 
I know about. (I have birth records on them and all their names plus some of 
their spouses and children’s names and births).  They were married in 1864 in 
Candelaria, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores. Policena was an orphan at the 
time of their marriage and only 13. Jose was 23. They had to get permission 
from the church and state to get married. I have a lot of info on this side of 
my family tree. A woman in Portugal knew this branch of my family and her 
family lived close to them in the Azores. She has helped me on the research of 
this branch of my family. My paternal grandmother known as Virginia Amelia 
Pereira Medeiros is the great granddaughter of Umbelina Rosa and Antonio 
Correia Soares. I see in document surname is spelled Correa but I know it as 
Correia. 
George Medeiros 

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> On May 31, 2019, at 6:10 PM, Hughes Roselyn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Liz, 
> 
> They were villagers of Santa Cruz.  You might also want to know the following 
> is in the record:
> 
> "sem sacraments por morrer afogada no mar onde cahio"  She died without the 
> sacraments because she fell and drowned in the sea.
> 
> Roselyn
> 
>> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 5:17 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> Liz;  Here’s my go at it:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On the 7th day of the month of February of the year 1832 present life passed 
>> away Umbelina Rosa, married with Antonio Correa Soares (Figuera? I think 
>> this might be freguisia or something like that – meaning member of the 
>> church) of this Santa Cruz of the age of 37 years with sacraments for the 
>> dead 
>> 
>> Buried on day 8 of this month in this church.  That’s the important stuff 
>> and I can really figure out the rest.  The side note just means she was 
>> married to Antonio Correa Soares when she died.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I have a lot of Soares in my lines but; not from Santa Cruz.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Elizabeth Migliori
>> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 4:35 PM
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-O-1824-1840/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-O-1824-1840_item1/P86.html
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Could someone please translate the death on bottom left side.
>> 
>> Does the 2 names in the column on the right mean that both died on same day?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thank You
>> 
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help

[George Medeiros]

Liz,
   I saw your post on Umbellina Rosa. She is my great great great grandmother. 
Antonio and Umbelina Rosa are the parents of my great great grandfather Manuel 
Correia Soares. 

The full names are Umbellina Rosa de Jesus Pereira and Antonio Correia Soares 
do Amaral. She drowned on a fishing boat. 

Their son Manuel Correia Soares and Antonia Jacinta are my great great 
grandparents. 
Antonia’s parents are Rosa Francisca de Jesus and Joao Francisco de Sousa. 

Manuel and Antonia were deceased when my great grandmother their daughter 
Policena dos Anjos Correia Soares married Jose d’Araujo Pereira. 

Policena dos Anjos Correia Soares was age 13 orphaned when she married Jose 
d’Araujo Pereira age 23 in 1864 in Candelaria, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, 
Azores. 

They had 16 children. My grandmother Virginia Amelia de Araujo Pereira was 
child 14. 
Virginia was born on June 18, 1890 in Candelaria, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, 
Azores. My grandmother’s oldest brother and oldest child of Policena and Jose 
Manuel d’ Araujo Pereira was born in 1865. He was 25 years older than his 
sister Virginia my grandmother.

Virginia Amelia Pereira( shorten version of her name ) married Jose Cordeiro 
Medeiros in 1907 at Our Lady of the Rosary Church, East Providence, R.I. They 
had 9 children. My father George Medeiros Sr. was the youngest child. My 
grandfather Jose ( Joseph) died in 1929 at about age 46. Virginia moved to 
Newport, R.I. after his death with children still at home. George Medeiros 
Jr. 

  George Medeiros 

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> On May 31, 2019, at 7:05 PM, George Medeiros  wrote:
> 
> Where did you find this ? Umbelina Rosa and Antonio Correia Soares are my 
> great great great grandparents. They are the parents of Manuel Correia Soares 
> who is the father of my great grandmother Policena dos Anjos Correia Soares. 
> Policena is the mother of my grandmother Virginia Amelia d’ Araujo Pereira 
> Medeiros . George Medeiros 
> 
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>> On May 31, 2019, at 5:17 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Liz;  Here’s my go at it:
>>  
>> On the 7th day of the month of February of the year 1832 present life passed 
>> away Umbelina Rosa, married with Antonio Correa Soares (Figuera? I think 
>> this might be freguisia or something like that – meaning member of the 
>> church) of this Santa Cruz of the age of 37 years with sacraments for the 
>> dead 
>> Buried on day 8 of this month in this church.  That’s the important stuff 
>> and I can really figure out the rest.  The side note just means she was 
>> married to Antonio Correa Soares when she died.
>>  
>> I have a lot of Soares in my lines but; not from Santa Cruz.
>>  
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>  
>> From: Elizabeth Migliori
>> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 4:35 PM
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help
>>  
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-O-1824-1840/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-O-1824-1840_item1/P86.html
>>  
>> Could someone please translate the death on bottom left side.
>> Does the 2 names in the column on the right mean that both died on same day?
>>  
>> Thank You
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Husband’s family

[George Medeiros]

Are you referring to Candelaria ? Candelaria, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores 
? 

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> On May 12, 2019, at 5:44 AM, GF  wrote:
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> Maria Odelia Silva married to Cesar Rego Cabral in Swansea, MA 
> Both from our lady of light in st. Michaels, Azores.
> Trying to get information about his grandparents and before. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help Materno names

[George Medeiros]

Liz,
My paternal grandmother’s family are Araujo Pereira. There are Araujo 
families in Candelaria, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal. George 
Medeiros 

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> On Apr 9, 2019, at 2:36 PM, Elizabeth Migliori  wrote:
> 
> Yes I guess that's what I'm asking.  Were these names changed or Americanized?
> 
> I had never heard of Araujo
> 
> Thx
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 2:12 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> Yes, names sometimes change upon immigration (but not always).
>> Enos many times comes from Inacio.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 2:11 PM Leonor Bertoni  
>>> wrote:
>>> Yes, I don’t translate anything either, but I know that some names were 
>>> Americanized when people immigrated. In my tree I have a family that were 
>>> known as Rodrigues when they left the Azores but in the US their name was 
>>> changed to Roderick. I also know that Enos is the Americanized version of a 
>>> Portuguese last name, I can’t remember which though.
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 5:05 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>> I don't translate names (if I'm curious and want to learn words in 
>>>> Portuguese, I use an online translator or a Portuguese-English 
>>>> dictionary). I don't translate any place beyond entering the Azores. Some 
>>>> put Azores and some put Açores, but after that, it's Portuguese. The 
>>>> island, the council, the freguesia, the neighborhood, the people...they 
>>>> all remain in the Portuguese language.
>>>> 
>>>> It gets weird translating some of the places. Any sometimes, funny (Rabo 
>>>> de Peixe = Fish tail).
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 1:59 PM Leonor Bertoni  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I think she wants to know if there’s an Americanized version of these 
>>>>> names. Luz means light but I’ve never seen them translated.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 4:57 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>>>> Liz, I don't understand your question. These are records from the 
>>>>>> Azores, which is part of Portugal. They have nothing to do with America, 
>>>>>> unless you are trying to say they emigrated to America.  Cheri
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 1:55 PM Liz Migliori  wrote:
>>>>>>> Thx Cheri
>>>>>>> What or how would these be in American?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Apr 9, 2019, at 1:31 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Araujo and Luz.
>>>>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 1:29 PM Elizabeth Migliori 
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1875-1879/SMG-RG-CONCEICAO-B-1875-1879_item1/P318.html
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Can someone tell me the names of maternal grandparents of Maria 
>>>>>>>>> starts on bottom left.
>>>>>>>>> Antonio Joaquim de Aand Maria de
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thank you 
>>>>>>>>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?

[George Medeiros]

Here is a link in regards to why slave would be baptized and how common was the
practice,
https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2017/winter/feature/moldy-church-records-in-latin-america-document-the-lives-millions-slaves


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> On Mar 28, 2019, at 6:18 AM, George Medeiros  wrote:
> 
> You got my interest going as to why a slave would be baptized. In reading 
> about the history of slavery in Spain and Portugal I read that in the 
> fifteenth century the Catholic Church required the baptism of slaves from 
> Africa out of fear that other faith believes and practices would be brought 
> with the slaves. The church regarded a baptized person Christian and once 
> baptized that person was subject to the Church’s teaching.
> A slave was required to attend Mass etc. George Medeiros 
> 
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>> On Mar 28, 2019, at 5:53 AM, George Medeiros  wrote:
>> 
>> The baptism of a slave may have been done because the Catholic Church 
>> required it to be done. George Medeiros 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 6:46 AM, leonor.bert...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you. While I was aware of slavery in Portugal, I am mostly curious as 
>>> what prompts a slave's baptism. Was it their choice, were they forced to be 
>>> baptized? Anybody know?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, 26 March 2019 23:57:36 UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>> Debbie,
>>>> 
>>>> It's not that unusual. John Raposo knows a lot about the history and may 
>>>> be able to shed some light on it. 
>>>> 
>>>> Some sources say the Portuguese started the slave trade, some say the 
>>>> Dutch. Regardless, the Portuguese were involved in it.
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:54 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> So unusual.  Is this basically unheard of or is there some history on 
>>>>> slavery in Portugal.  I understand the baptism being offered to a slave.  
>>>>>  I just don’t understand if slave means slavery as we know it.  Can 
>>>>> anyone explain?
>>>>> Debbie
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, it does say slave of. This baptism is not of an infant but an adult.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rick
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Richard Francis Pimentel
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Epping, NH
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
>>>>>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: azo...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>>>>> leonor@gmail.com
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:04 PM
>>>>>> To: Azores Genealogy 
>>>>>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is not my ancestor but I'm curious as to what it means. I see this 
>>>>>> as a baptism for Marianna (bottom of the page), instead of daughter of, 
>>>>>> I think I see "escrava de", "slave of" is that correct? And does this 
>>>>>> say that the priest had to get special permission to perform this 
>>>>>> baptism? Any idea if this would have been a baby or an adult?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P99.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> TIA
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Leonor
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?

[George Medeiros]

You got my interest going as to why a slave would be baptized. In reading about 
the history of slavery in Spain and Portugal I read that in the fifteenth 
century the Catholic Church required the baptism of slaves from Africa out of 
fear that other faith believes and practices would be brought with the slaves. 
The church regarded a baptized person Christian and once baptized that person 
was subject to the Church’s teaching.
A slave was required to attend Mass etc. George Medeiros 

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> On Mar 28, 2019, at 5:53 AM, George Medeiros  wrote:
> 
> The baptism of a slave may have been done because the Catholic Church 
> required it to be done. George Medeiros 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 6:46 AM, leonor.bert...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you. While I was aware of slavery in Portugal, I am mostly curious as 
>> what prompts a slave's baptism. Was it their choice, were they forced to be 
>> baptized? Anybody know?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, 26 March 2019 23:57:36 UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>> Debbie,
>>> 
>>> It's not that unusual. John Raposo knows a lot about the history and may be 
>>> able to shed some light on it. 
>>> 
>>> Some sources say the Portuguese started the slave trade, some say the 
>>> Dutch. Regardless, the Portuguese were involved in it.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:54 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> So unusual.  Is this basically unheard of or is there some history on 
>>>> slavery in Portugal.  I understand the baptism being offered to a slave.   
>>>> I just don’t understand if slave means slavery as we know it.  Can anyone 
>>>> explain?
>>>> Debbie
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:19 PM Richard Francis Pimentel 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Yes, it does say slave of. This baptism is not of an infant but an adult.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rick
>>>>> 
>>>>> Richard Francis Pimentel
>>>>> 
>>>>> Epping, NH
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
>>>>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: azo...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>>>> leonor@gmail.com
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:04 PM
>>>>> To: Azores Genealogy 
>>>>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marianna - Baptism?
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is not my ancestor but I'm curious as to what it means. I see this 
>>>>> as a baptism for Marianna (bottom of the page), instead of daughter of, I 
>>>>> think I see "escrava de", "slave of" is that correct? And does this say 
>>>>> that the priest had to get special permission to perform this baptism? 
>>>>> Any idea if this would have been a baby or an adult?
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1815-1823_item1/P99.html
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> TIA
>>>>> 
>>>>> Leonor
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Fwd: [AZORES-Genealogy] Could use a little advice

[George Medeiros]

Sorry it in Fall River not New Bedford. George 

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> From: George Medeiros 
> Date: March 24, 2019 at 3:32:03 PM PDT
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Could use a little advice
> 
> Rosie, 
> I found this 1920 Federal Census which has a Joseph Pacheco living in New 
> Bedford with his grandparents. This might not be your Joseph but Imam sending 
> this to you
> just in case it is him. George Medeiros 
> 
> 
> Name:
> Joseph Pacheco
> Age:
> 9
> Birth Year:
> abt 1911
> Birthplace:
> Massachusetts
> Home in 1920:
> Fall River Ward 3, Bristol, Massachusetts
> Street:
> Mulberry Street
> Residence Date:
> 1920
> Race:
> White
> Gender:
> Male
> Relation to Head of House:
> Grandson
> Marital status:
> Single
> Father's Birthplace:
> Azores
> Mother's Birthplace:
> Azores
> Attended School:
> Yes
> Neighbors:
> View others on page
> Household Members:
> Name
> Age
> Frank Arruda
> 60
> Mary R Arruda
> 58
> Joaquin Arruda
> 25
> Evagaline Arruda
> 22
> Jennie Arruda
> 18
> Mary Pacheco
> 14
> Joseph Pacheco
> 9
> 
> 
> 
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>> On Mar 24, 2019, at 1:35 PM, Rosie Paiva  wrote:
>> 
>> His Grandfathers name is Joseph Pacheco Born: 25 Sep 1911 in New Bedford MA 
>> to Joao Pacheco and Antonia Pacheco(Trindade). Joseph is married to Elvira 
>> (Maiden name: Marques). We know Joseph left and traveled to the Azores and 
>> he returned around 1956 with what my husband believes is all 8 children and 
>> his wife. Here is where my confusion sets in a little bit I have found a 
>> city directory for Joseph and Elvira but cannot find a marriage license or 
>> them leaving or returning the U.S with 8 kids. Elvira's parents names are 
>> Manuel Marques and Augustina (Maiden Name: Tavares) All this information was 
>> obtained from obituaries. The information for him grandfather was somewhat 
>> helpful but I have once again hit a wall and I cant get past Elvira's 
>> parents. I'm at a loss as I am new to all this. We have done the DNA testing 
>> but it has only found very distant cousins for him. 
>> 
>>> On Sunday, March 24, 2019 at 4:20:00 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>> Rosie, Can you provide the name, dates (or ranges) and location for each 
>>> event? I am at a conference so hopefully Kathy Cardoza or someone can 
>>> provide the link to the "how to" on the Azores GenWeb. Cheri
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 24, 2019 3:12 PM, "Rosie Paiva"  wrote:
>>>> Hello there,
>>>> I am researching my family as well as my husbands family and I have to say 
>>>> my family has me a little stumped but my husbands is a complete mystery. 
>>>> Here is a little information as to what I'm working with here: First my 
>>>> husband thought his grandfather was born somewhere on Saint Michaels 
>>>> however after reading his obituary we discovered he was Actually born in 
>>>> New Bedford Mass and left to the Azores and started his family and then 
>>>> returned around 1956 with a wife and 8 children, and they purchased a 
>>>> family tenement in 1957 which the family still owns. We did find his great 
>>>> grandparents marriage record and there immigration however we can not 
>>>> track to much after the birth of his grandfather. I have searched up and 
>>>> down ancestry and I am defiantly struggling. I have names but no death 
>>>> dates and I am guessing birthyear based on marriage records. His 2nd great 
>>>> grandparents apparently have some very common names because the records 
>>>> compiled are miles long. If anyone has any insight on where I can catch a 
>>>> trail I would really appreciate it Thank you. The Family Name I am 
>>>> tracking is Pacheco which I know is common But I have as many name as I 
>>>> could get for now.
>>>> Rosemarie Paiva
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joao Ventura's class on Tues.

[George Medeiros]

Where in California is the class ? George Medeiros 

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> On Mar 17, 2018, at 4:19 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> For those that don't know
> 
> João Ventura, archivist, from Terceira, is in California. He is the one that 
> was responsible for getting all the records scanned for the CCA web site. He 
> is offering a series of classes on the Catholic baptisms, marriages, and 
> deaths, which are written in Portuguese. He's posted about it here a couple 
> of months ago. I believe the classes are Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday. 
> Maybe someone else has his flyer or can post the details here.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rcap...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Is anyone on the Azores List planning on attending Joao's class on Tues.AM? 
>> I am going and would love to meet anyone from the group face-to-face! Let me 
>> know. 
>> 
>> Rosemarie
>> rcap...@gmail.com
>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rare ‘Azores Megillah’ digitized. Azorean Jews

[George Medeiros]

E.Sharp , 
Thanks for posting this article. I have been reading and studying the 
history of the Portuguese Jews for several years now. In Newport, R.I. where I 
grew up is the oldest Synagogue in North America, built by Portuguese and 
Spanish Jews during the Colonial Age, still in use. The Torah in that synagogue 
is from Portugal brought to Newport in the Colonial Age. Do you have any 
further info in regards to the Jewish presences in the azores especially Sao 
Miguel. George

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> On Feb 26, 2018, at 12:11 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
> 
> This will be of those interested in the Jews who settled in the Azores.  "E"
> 
> http://m.jpost.com/Diaspora/Rare-Azores-Megillah-digitized-for-first-time-just-in-time-for-Purim-543645
> 
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is there a Y12 test in FTDNA ?

[George Medeiros]

Thanks for the reply.

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> On Nov 21, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, George, your DNA will live in both places.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 1:34 PM, George Medeiros <migueldeav...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Cheri thank you for the information. If I transfer info from N. Geo. 
>> over to FTDNA do you know if I will be able to have that info both in 
>> National Geographic and FTDNA ? George
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2017, at 11:15 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> George,
>>> 
>>> You can transfer your National Genographic over to FTDNA (National Geno 
>>> uses the FTDNA lab). Then we'll have to see if they can merge the kits 
>>> together. So transfer it over to FTDNA, then email me with both your 
>>> National Geno kit number assigned by FTDNA (it should start with and N) and 
>>> your FTDNA kit number asking for a merge and I'll forward it to teh right 
>>> dept and they can merge the 2 together so you have one log in and all your 
>>> DNA vials will be labeled with the same number as well.
>>> 
>>> I believe R-Z211 comes up in France, Poland, Netherlands. I don't know the 
>>> age of the SNP though. Once you transfer it over, we might be able to tell.
>>> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:40 AM, George Medeiros 
>>>> <migueldeav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Rich and Eric, 
>>>>  Thank you all for your replies. I got as a gift to do the National 
>>>> Geographic GENO 2.0 Next Generation Helix. Recently I got my results
>>>> and the paternal line I got was R-Z211. I was told it is the same 
>>>> as R-Z 216 and is an Iberian male line. 
>>>>   I have no idea what Y level National Geographic did. I do plan to 
>>>> do it with FTDNA. I have not been able to find anything on the 
>>>> Z 211. 
>>>>  So I called National Geographic and was told they do not have much 
>>>> info at this point on my branch of the male tree. Only 0.4 % of men who 
>>>> have done test with them match R-Z211 at this time. 
>>>>  I do plan to do it with FTDNA when I can to see what results I get.
>>>> I have done Family Finder. George Medeiros
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 21, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>>>>> <richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> FTDNA no longer offers a Y12 test. The Y12 Test tested only 12 markers  
>>>>> and was used to place the tester in their Haplogroup The problem is that 
>>>>> with a large population in the R1b group it was not possible to place 
>>>>> them in a more recent population time line and give any meaning to a 
>>>>> match. For a first time Y-DNA tester I do not see any value in testing 
>>>>> any higher than a Y67. Once you have matches at the Y67 level then I 
>>>>> would consider the Y111.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rick
>>>>> 
>>>>> Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator
>>>>> Azores DNA Project
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators
>>>>> 
>>>>> All unpaid volunteers
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheri Mello – gfsche...@gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rick Pimentel – rickredle...@gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>>> Of luiznoia .
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 6:48 PM
>>>>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is there a Y12 te

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is there a Y12 test in FTDNA ?

[George Medeiros]

Cheri thank you for the information. If I transfer info from N. Geo. 
over to FTDNA do you know if I will be able to have that info both in National 
Geographic and FTDNA ? George

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> On Nov 21, 2017, at 11:15 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> George,
> 
> You can transfer your National Genographic over to FTDNA (National Geno uses 
> the FTDNA lab). Then we'll have to see if they can merge the kits together. 
> So transfer it over to FTDNA, then email me with both your National Geno kit 
> number assigned by FTDNA (it should start with and N) and your FTDNA kit 
> number asking for a merge and I'll forward it to teh right dept and they can 
> merge the 2 together so you have one log in and all your DNA vials will be 
> labeled with the same number as well.
> 
> I believe R-Z211 comes up in France, Poland, Netherlands. I don't know the 
> age of the SNP though. Once you transfer it over, we might be able to tell.
> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:40 AM, George Medeiros <migueldeav...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Rich and Eric, 
>>  Thank you all for your replies. I got as a gift to do the National 
>> Geographic GENO 2.0 Next Generation Helix. Recently I got my results
>> and the paternal line I got was R-Z211. I was told it is the same 
>> as R-Z 216 and is an Iberian male line. 
>>   I have no idea what Y level National Geographic did. I do plan to 
>> do it with FTDNA. I have not been able to find anything on the 
>> Z 211. 
>>  So I called National Geographic and was told they do not have much info 
>> at this point on my branch of the male tree. Only 0.4 % of men who have done 
>> test with them match R-Z211 at this time. 
>>  I do plan to do it with FTDNA when I can to see what results I get.
>> I have done Family Finder. George Medeiros
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
>>> <richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> FTDNA no longer offers a Y12 test. The Y12 Test tested only 12 markers  and 
>>> was used to place the tester in their Haplogroup The problem is that with a 
>>> large population in the R1b group it was not possible to place them in a 
>>> more recent population time line and give any meaning to a match. For a 
>>> first time Y-DNA tester I do not see any value in testing any higher than a 
>>> Y67. Once you have matches at the Y67 level then I would consider the Y111.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator
>>> Azores DNA Project
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators
>>> 
>>> All unpaid volunteers
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello – gfsche...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> Rick Pimentel – rickredle...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> luiznoia .
>>> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 6:48 PM
>>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is there a Y12 test in FTDNA ?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I transferred my Nat Geo Y12 to Ftdna 10 years ago. There has been no 
>>> activity in the matches. You need to go for the Y37 or higher.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Eric Edgar
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2017 8:30 AM, "George Medeiros" <migueldeav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went to the FTDNA site to look for a Y12 test suggested I do but can not 
>>> find it listed as an option. I see Y-37, Y-67 , Y-111 and the Big Y. Is 
>>> there a Y12 ? Does anyone know ? George Medeiros
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is there a Y12 test in FTDNA ?

[George Medeiros]

Rich and Eric, 
 Thank you all for your replies. I got as a gift to do the National 
Geographic GENO 2.0 Next Generation Helix. Recently I got my results
and the paternal line I got was R-Z211. I was told it is the same 
as R-Z 216 and is an Iberian male line. 
  I have no idea what Y level National Geographic did. I do plan to 
do it with FTDNA. I have not been able to find anything on the 
Z 211. 
 So I called National Geographic and was told they do not have much info at 
this point on my branch of the male tree. Only 0.4 % of men who have done test 
with them match R-Z211 at this time. 
 I do plan to do it with FTDNA when I can to see what results I get.
I have done Family Finder. George Medeiros

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 21, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
> <richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> FTDNA no longer offers a Y12 test. The Y12 Test tested only 12 markers  and 
> was used to place the tester in their Haplogroup The problem is that with a 
> large population in the R1b group it was not possible to place them in a more 
> recent population time line and give any meaning to a match. For a first time 
> Y-DNA tester I do not see any value in testing any higher than a Y67. Once 
> you have matches at the Y67 level then I would consider the Y111.
>  
>  
> Rick
> Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator
> Azores DNA Project
>  
> Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators
> All unpaid volunteers
> Cheri Mello – gfsche...@gmail.com
> Rick Pimentel – rickredle...@gmail.com
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> luiznoia .
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2017 6:48 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Is there a Y12 test in FTDNA ?
>  
> I transferred my Nat Geo Y12 to Ftdna 10 years ago. There has been no 
> activity in the matches. You need to go for the Y37 or higher.
>  
> Eric Edgar
>  
>  
>  
> On Nov 19, 2017 8:30 AM, "George Medeiros" <migueldeav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I went to the FTDNA site to look for a Y12 test suggested I do but can not 
> find it listed as an option. I see Y-37, Y-67 , Y-111 and the Big Y. Is there 
> a Y12 ? Does anyone know ? George Medeiros
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Is there a Y12 test in FTDNA ?

[George Medeiros]

I went to the FTDNA site to look for a Y12 test suggested I do but can not find 
it listed as an option. I see Y-37, Y-67 , Y-111 and the Big Y. Is there a Y12 
? Does anyone know ? George Medeiros 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Have trouble getting into my info in Family Tree ?

[George Medeiros]

Thanks for the reply. I have to figure out how to use the site. I do not know 
what Gedcom is ? Will have to read up on it. I have done my autosomal with 
Ancestry also and several of the matches in Family Tree I matched with them 
there also. More of my close cousins did their autosomal with Ancestry and I 
have encouraged them to do it with Family Tree also. I have just begun to use 
Family Tree. I do not have a computer and mostly use my iPad which seems to 
work okay. 
  George

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> On Oct 3, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> George M,
> 
> There's Family Tree Maker, Family Tree Magazine, Family Tree DNA, Family Tree 
> Now, etc. So if you don't want to type "DNA" after "Family Tree" then use the 
> acronym of FTDNA. Since you mention matches and Houston, I'm going to guess 
> that it's Family Tree DNA (FTDNA).
> 
> Hurricane Harvey hit a little over a month ago. FTDNA is on the 7th (?) floor 
> with lots of back up power; nothing was affected in the building. Some 
> employees were impacted. I'm not sure of all of them are back at work yet or 
> are still cleaning up the mess at their homes.
> 
> The FTDNA web site can time out periodically. I just logged in at 12:10 PDT 
> on Windows 10 running Firefox and saw your cousin matches. While I was at it, 
> I checked to see if you uploaded a Gedcom. You just have your dad. You need 
> your full Gedcom, back about 10 generations, including all known cousins. 
> Your 4 top matches are pretty good - over 100 cMs - and 2 of them have their 
> trees up! You should be able to look at their trees and figure out the match. 
> Then get their line into your tree before uploading a new one. The other 2 
> top matches have no tree. You'll have to email them. Since you have no tree 
> either though, they have nothing to go by either, so I'd email them after you 
> get your tree up and ask them to take a look and see if they find any common 
> ancestors.
> 
> Good luck & happy hunting! Cheri
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:04 PM, George Medeiros <migueldeav...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> I was wondering if there are some issues with Family Tree? I can not get 
>> into my account to view my info and cousin matches ? Are there issues 
>> because of the hurricane that recently it Houston ? George Medeiros
>> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Have trouble getting into my info in Family Tree ?

[George Medeiros]

I was wondering if there are some issues with Family Tree? I can not get into 
my account to view my info and cousin matches ? Are there issues because of the 
hurricane that recently it Houston ? George Medeiros

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching PORTO FORMOSO

[George Medeiros]

I meant to say that I have an ancestor with the name Francisco Jose Medeiros 
and I am a descendant of both the Medeiros line and the Araujo line from Sao 
Miguel. 

Eliseu,
I was viewing your post and I noticed that some of the names you list are 
the names of some of my relatives. I am not saying there is any connection with 
your family but it did get my attention. 

My paternal grandparents are from Sao Miguel Island Azores Portugal. 
 
My family surname is Medeiros. My name is George M. Medeiros Jr.

great grandfather Francisco Jose Medeiros 
great grandmother   Maria de Jesus Cordeiro 

grandfather   Jose Medeiros Cordeiro/ Jose Cordeiro Medeiros
born 1880,Sao Miguel, Azores


grandmother Virginia Amelia Pereira, born 1890, Candalaria,
Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Azores

great grandfather  Jose d' Araujo Pereira , born April 7,1841 
Candelaria, Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, 
Azores

great grandmotherPolicena(  have different spellings) dos Anjos 
 born circa 1851, Villa de Logoa, Sao 
Miguel, Azores
 another document has her from Rosario da 
Lagoa

My paternal grandparents Jose Medeiros and Virginia Pereira were married at Our 
Lady of the Rosary Church in East Providence, R.I. 
in 1907. As far as I know the generations prior my grandparents remained on Sao 
Miguel and other Azores Islands. 

Apparently my Grandmother Virginia Amelia Pereira is the paternal granddaughter 
of Antonio Jose de Araujo of Candalaria and Vitoria Tomasia of Ginetes. 
Virginia is the maternal granddaughter of 
Manuel Correia Soares and Antonia Jacinta of Rosario da Lagoa

Does any of this look familiar to you ?


> On Aug 31, 2017, at 4:25 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I work on Porto Formoso Genealogies. If you like you may visit my genealogy 
> work at the above adress J
>  
> Muito Obrigado,
> Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
> “Sharing is one of the most profitable human resources”
> Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo
> ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )
>  
>  
>  
>  
> De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de R B 
> Raposo
> Enviada: quarta-feira, 30 de agosto de 2017 15:49
> Para: azores@googlegroups.com
> Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Researching PORTO FORMOSO
>  
> Thanks Cheri, My Grandparents are from Porto Formoso: Julio Augusto Raposo 
> (1875-1918) & Maria Da Conceicao de Medeiros (1877-1967). GGrandparents: 
> Antonio Jacinto Raposo (1834-) & Anna Emilia Do Rego (1839-), Francisco Jose 
> de Medeiros (1852-) & D. Maria Jose Do Nascimento (1856-1942). 
> GGGrandparents: Manuel Jose Rapozo (c1797-1863) & Claudia Emilia da Esperanza 
> (1812-1884), Jacinto Jose Lopes Do Rego (1815-) & Teresa de Jesus (1820-). 
> Jose de Medeiros & Maria Rosa, Manuel Pacheco Do Amaral & Maria Leonore. 
> Previous generation names include D'Araujo de Medeiros, Pacheco, Moniz 
> Franco, Lima de Souza, Furtado, Do Amaral, Teixeira and more.
>  
> I would appreciate any help you may have.
>  
> On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 2:32 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> You will find that everyone on this list writes a few sentences about their 
> immigrant ancestor. Their name, birth, marriage, and death dates, immigration 
> dates, where lived, etc. Whatever they know about that immigrant ancestor.
> 
> I'm afraid your query is going to go unanswered. We don't see any question or 
> any information and we don't know how to help. So if you could take some time 
> and write a little bit about your ancestor, you're more likely to get a 
> response.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores DNA

[George Medeiros]

I did my DNA with Ancestry and Family Tree. I think Ancestry has a larger data 
base of information than Family Tree. I could be wrong but the breakdown of my 
ethnic profile seem more precise with Ancestry. 
However, my Iberian average was higher with Family Tree than Ancestry.

In regards to ethnicity it is diverse in the populations of Spain and Portugal 
not just the Azores. Before Portugal was a country many ethnic groups went 
throughout Iberia.

 In regards to the Azores I have read in a history document that many people 
from Holland settled, especially on three of the islands, in the Azores. In 
that document it said there were so many that the islands were called the 
islands of Flanders. 

I do have that document but will post the title of the document later.It was 
written by a Portuguese man who taught at a California University and the 
document is especially about the Azorean population of California. 
 
One of my cousins got tested and her DNA was low for Iberian ethnicity but I 
was much higher. My cousin's  great grandmother is my aunt and we are 
definitely Portuguese culturally I told her even if you did not have a high 
percentage. All it means is that you inherited more of the other ethnic groups 
are ancestors are part of in the long history of Portugal and the Azores. That 
particular cousin's sister inherited more of the Iberian ethnicity than she 
did. 


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> On Jul 2, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Look, Roberta Estes wrote on ethnicity estimates again today, with lots of 
> links to other more in depth articles: https://goo.gl/7n9jBq
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Ângela Loura  wrote:
>> Leonard,
>> 
>> Don't stress. 
>> 
>> My dad was born in the Azores, as well as generations of ancestors before 
>> him. FTDNA gives him 0% Iberia. And we are OK with it. Also because FTDNA 
>> says that «The myOrigins results are your personal genetic ancestry that 
>> reflects the last 100 to 2,000 years (about four to 80 generations). They 
>> may also reflect one population that mixed with another in ancient times and 
>> became fixed in one of your populations.» (source) So my first thought after 
>> reading this is "OK, these results can go beyond paper trail, and and Cheri 
>> said, are estimated in a small population sample.
>> These percentages won't give you 100% trusted information, since they are 
>> estimates, and can even change on the next FTDNA update. Think of it more 
>> like a curiosity :)
>> 
>> 2017-07-02 20:46 GMT+01:00 Cheri Mello :
>>> Leonard,
>>> 
>>> If you tested only for the ethnicity estimates, you're really not going to 
>>> be wowed by any company.
>>> 
>>> Your sample is run against a population sample at each company and they 
>>> decide how well you fit. At Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) the sample size was 25. 
>>> Just 25 to compare Azoreans, Madeirans, Portuguese, Brasilians, etc. No 
>>> company has a great Portuguese population sample. So you can keep on 
>>> testing your ethnicity and you will continue to get various estimates. 
>>> 
>>> I think Judy Russell, The Legal Genealogist, says it best: 
>>> https://goo.gl/ehzUxy
>>> 
>>> If you want to see how you stack up against the 25 people at FTDNA, you can 
>>> transfer and pay $19 to see your ethnicity estimates there. You won't be 
>>> wowed though. But you'll get some nice tools to utilize for your genealogy 
>>> and you'll be fishing for cousins in another pond. But if you only want the 
>>> ethnicity estimates, I won't bother.
>>> 
>>> And if you want a real in depth article, search Roberta Estes' blog: 
>>> https://dna-explained.com/  She is quite scientific.
>>> Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
>>> 
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
 On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Leonard Silva  
 wrote:
 I did my DNA through Ancestry and was surprised to see how small the 
 percentage of Iberian heritage was there.  I discussed this with a 
 genealogist at my local library and she told me that for hundreds of 
 years, the Azores were a stopping point for all manner of ships from 
 around he world and that Azorian DNA is much more diverse than one might 
 expect. 
 Any comments from those of you who have studied this?
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Naturalization Records in the United States

[George Medeiros]

When a married woman became a citizen of the U.S. from the azores 
from 1900- 1950 does the naturalization record use their own surname or their 
husband's ? Does anyone know ?  I found a naturalization record from 1926 of a 
woman with my grandmother's name which looks like her handwriting but has her 
family name not her husband's surname. 
I do not know if she ever became a citizen but this record might be her. George

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] History of Azorean Surames Resources

[George Medeiros]

Andrew if you go to google and type in Medeiros surname you can see info on the 
origin of the Medeiros surname etc. My surname is also 
Medeiros.There is a town in Northern Portugal called Medeiros, Portugal.
I will look at my notes on the Medeiros surname and post it. 
 George Medeiros

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> On Jun 5, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Andrew Medeiros <amedeiros2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I was wondering if anyone can tell me if there are any reputable resources, 
> either in print or online, that provide detailed information about the 
> history of Azorean surnames and their origins.  For example, I wanted to look 
> up the history of my last name Medeiros, such as its meaning and where it 
> came from.  However, I am having a difficult time doing so.  Any suggestions?
> 
> Many Thanks,
> Andrew
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Some info I posted a few years ago that I found when doing research on Medeiros Surname .....George Medeiros

[George Medeiros]

[AZORES-Genealogy] First person known to have surname " Medeiros " was Rui 
Goncalves de Medeiros who lived in Evora, Portugal. He was Commander in Chief 
of Evora. The Medeiros Family seems to be a place of de Medeiros in the Parish 
of Vila Cha in the municipality of Montalegre, in the Vila Real District in the 
Province of Tras-os-Montes.The crater is 5km from the county seat and is 16 km 
from the border with Spain on the edge of the Barroso Mountains. 
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First person known to have surname " Medeiros " was Rui Goncalves de Medeiros 
who lived in Evora, Portugal. He was Commander in Chief of Evora. The Medeiros 
Family seems to be a place of de Medeiros in the Parish of Vila Cha in the 
municipality of Montalegre, in the Vila Real District in the Province of 
Tras-os-Montes.The crater is 5km from the county seat and is 16 km from the 
border with Spain on the edge of the Barroso Mountains.
These places are included in the Parish of Vila Cha :
1. Castanheira
2. Firvidas
3. Gralhos
4. Medeiros
5. Peirezes
6. Penedones
7. Sao Vicente
8. Travarsos Tea
9. Trogueda

In the 15th century one branch of the Medeiros family leaving Ponte de Lima set 
up
in the Algarve and another branch went to the island of Sao Miguel in the 
Azores.In 1420-1450 James Guill list several family heads in the Madeira 
archipelago.One person mentioned is Rui Vaz de Medeiros a native of Ponte de 
Lima in the Guimarae's region who was a contemporary of Goncalves de Medeiros. 
In 1474 Rui Vaz went to Madeira during the first colonization of the island. He 
married D. Ana ( or Mecia) Mendonca Goncalves who was the daughter of Jorge de 
Mendonca .This couple moved with their family to Sao Miguel,Azores and had a 
lot land at the end of Lagoa.They arrived in Sao Miguel with 3rd Captain Don 
Rui Goncalves of Camara.
Rui Vaz de Medeiros and D. Ana Goncalves children were:
1. Vasco de Medeiros ( Rui Vaz)
2.Rafael de Medeiros
3. Joao Vaz de Medeiros
4. Jordan Vaz de Medeiros
5. White Days Medeiros
6. Guiomar Ruiz de Medeiros
7. Maria de Medeiros

Rui Vaz de Medeiros known as Vasco de Medeiros settled in the town of Lagoa or 
in Alagoa Village on Sao Miguel ,Azores. He was married to Catherine Bridge the 
daughter of Fernando Rodrigues a noble of Lagoa. Many Azoreans with the 
Medeiros surname are descendents of this Vasco de Medeiros.

Vasco's siblings :
1. Rafael married the daughter of Antonio Roiz Carneiro the Governor
of Santa Maria Island.
2. Joao married Isabel Frias
3. Jordan married Vila Franca the daughter of Francisco Afonso de Paiva
4. White married Diogo Afonso da Costa Cogombreiro
5. Guiomar married Anes Lope de Araujo
6. Maria de Medeiros ( was married 3 times )

Doing some research I found this information in Portuguese. I tried to write it 
more clearly for myself. Does anyone in the group have more accurate 
information on this history of the Medeiros surname or any corrections for me 
on what I have written here as to accuracy ?
George M. ( Pereira ) Medeiros Jr.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New to Group Silva (Pico) and Avila (Sao Jorge) families

[George Medeiros]

Kellie,
I have a cousin who lives in Fremont, Ca who is a Silva through her father 
and he was married to my Aunt. My Aunt had two children with him. They later 
got divorced. I could ask her if she knows anything about her father and if you 
give me permission share your info posted 
In this email. I do not know if he was from Ca.or R.I. ? Also I am sure there 
are many Silva's in Fremont area. George Medeiros

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> On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:19 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
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> Hi Kellie,
> I looked up your family from the info below because my family also comes from 
> this area. I was wondering why you have “Emeryville” in your generated report 
> for where he was in 1900? It looks to me that he was in Washington Township, 
> Alameda County, California. I don’t know if you are familiar with this area 
> or not. You say he died in “Alameda” California and there is an Alameda in 
> California but that is a city and then there is Alameda County in which there 
> was once Washington Township….a collection of small towns. Emeryville was not 
> one of them.
> There is a will listed on Ancestry for Manuel Perry/Pereira Silva and it says 
> he lived in Newark, which was in Washington Township. The will says his wife 
> was Mariana, 38, Anthony 21, Joseph, 15, Mary 10…..other parts of will, 
> probably filed at a later time, make ages one year older. 
> 
> Hope this helps sort it out some…
> Susan Vargas Murphy
> 
>> On Mar 25, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Kellie Crnkovich <kelliemhal...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I found this group after joining the Azores FTDNA project I am in the 
>> process of awaiting family finder results in next few weeks. As my mtDNA is 
>> not Azores related since my mothers father was the line. He was born in 
>> Alameda County, California his christened name Anthony Bernard Silva. His 
>> father Manuel Perry Silva came to California in 1870 from the Azores (per 
>> Grandpa from Pico) with 2 brothers (I believe Antone and Joseph per census 
>> records). In 1890 a bride was sent from the Azores Marianna Avila (I have 
>> gotten many generations of her Family). Years ago a cousin from Sao Jorge 
>> helped me with her genealogy. I am stuck on Manuel though trying to find his 
>> correct Silva family. Hoping family finder will help. Grandpa was older when 
>> my mom was born and passed away when I was 7. I was very close with as he 
>> lived with us.
>> 
>> This is what I have.
>> 193. MANUEL PERRY SILVA (Anthony's father) was born in July 1846, in Pico, 
>> Azores, to Mr. Silva231 and Ms. Silva232. In 1870, aged about 23, he 
>> immigrated to according to 1900 census came to U.S. in 1870. He was recorded 
>> in the census in 1880, aged about 33, in Washington, Alameda, California, 
>> USA. In 1900, aged about 53, he was a Listed as saloon keeper. Manuel was a 
>> Farmer. He was recorded in the census in 1900, aged about 53, in Emeryville 
>> city, Alameda, California, USA. Manuel died on 25 February 1917, aged 70, in 
>> Alameda, CA. Manuel was buried in Holy Spirit Cemetery, 5250 Central Ave, 
>> Fremont, CA. 
>> 
>> I would love to find more about his family and where they came from. I can't 
>> wait to meet more Avila and Silva family out there. I also have a site at 
>> MyHeritage.com that family can join in and add new info to the tree. 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Kellie
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Jose de Medeiros of Ilha Sao Miguel

[George Medeiros]

I am wondering if any of these Medeiros who married into your line are related 
to me ? 

The info I have in regards to my grandfather 

  Jose Medeiros Cordeiro or Jose ( Joseph ) C.Medeiros in U.S, 
  born on August 19, 1880 in Fenais da Ajuda,Ribera Grande,
  Sao Miguel , Azores

  Parents :Francisco Jose Medeiros born in Fenais da Ajuda
 Maria de Jesus Cordeiro  born in Arrifes, PontaDelgado
   
   Paternal Grandparents : Jose de Medeiros and Anna Jacintha
   Maternal Grandparents : Jose Cordeiro Soares   
  and Emilia de Jesus
   Godfather : Manuel Soares 
   Godmother : Vitoria de Jesus or Victoria de Jesus

I realize there are many with the surname Medeiros but I am wondering if any of 
your Medeiros info would be helpful to me ?
  George M. Medeiros Jr.

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> On Mar 20, 2017, at 7:29 AM, 'Jeremy G. B-C' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
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> There is a Medeiros family (I believe from this Freguisia) that ended up in 
> San Louis Obispo County CA.  They married into my line, and I have a cousin 
> who provided me alot of old stuff on them (like tintypes from Sao Miguel, 
> passports from the late 1800s, a journal of memoirs) but they are irrelevant 
> to me.  I have to see if I can find the first names as I don't remember.
> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Project

[George Medeiros]

I got my family Finder results today from Family Tree. I attempted to join the 
azores project and think I joined but not sure I did it right. How will I know 
if I am a member ? 
How can I use the autosomal results to find my azores cousin matches ? I have 
found several people in my Ancestry matches with Portuguese surnames that match 
mine but have found none in the cousin matches in Family Tree thus far. Can 
anyone explain to me how to use the results I have gotten from Family Tree ? 
George ( Pereira ) Medeiros

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Posting this article in case anyone in group is an ancestor of John " Portugee " Philips born Manuel Felipe Cardozo on April 8, 1833

[George Medeiros]

I was reading a book and this Portuguese man was mentioned in it who was born 
in Pico 
on April 8,1832
> Subject: John " Portugee " Philips
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Father's Name (Santo Espirito, Santa Maria)

[George Medeiros]

It appears to be the name or surname Lordello. I read on a google search that 
the surname is concentrated in Brazil with few people having this surname 
around the world. I read that about 2426 people were found to bear the surname 
Lordello. Maybe you know this about the surname but I thought I'd share info I 
found. George Medeiros

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> On Jan 26, 2017, at 6:10 PM, George Pacheco <bretanha1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  Manoel Frz ( Fernandes) Lordello e de Ana de Moira (Moura)
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:46 AM, George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thank you JR and thank you Louie... I will take your advice.
>> 
>> George
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:29 AM, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It's Manoel Fr'z (Fernandes) Lordello
>>> 
>>> JR
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 9:41:20 PM UTC-5, George Sousa wrote:
>>>> Second Record on the right...
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720_item1/P45.html
>>>> 
>>>> Can anyone make out the father's full name? 
>>>> 
>>>> I see "Manoel filho de Manoel ? Lordello e de Ana de Moira..."
>>>> 
>>>> Could it be "Manoel Fernandes Lordello" or is it "Manoel Figueiredo 
>>>> Lordello"... or something else?
>>>> 
>>>> As always... thank you for your help.
>>>> 
>>>> George
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A bit of background for those that are interested.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm looking for the baptismal record of Manoel Moura Curvello son of 
>>>> Manoel Fernandes and Ana Moura, The obit record of Manoel Moura Curvello 
>>>> (http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1793-1810/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1793-1810_item1/P4.html)
>>>>  states he died on June 18, 1793 at the age of 77 (more or less). That 
>>>> make his date of birth around 1716 (consistent with the above record).
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Great Grandparents

[George Medeiros]

I got my Family Finder test today and plan to do it. I was told many years ago 
by an Uncle that my 
grandmother had 18 brothers and sisters. Today a cousin told me there were 20. 
I always had though my uncle was misinformed but now I am not sure. I knew she 
had 2 sisters and possibly 3 
brothers but never thought her parents had 20 children. If this is so I guess I 
have a lot of cousins somewhere. My g.grandparents lived in Candalaria, Sao 
Miguel Island, Azores. I was told they go back to the 1500's on Sao Miguel. 
Have not posted lately been busy with other things. Want to thank those in this 
group who have helped me with info in the past. I know that my grandmother and 
grandfather were born on Sao Miguel Island, Azores.  Some of the surnames in my 
family are Medeiros, Pereira, Perry, Araujo, Anjos, Soares, Cordeiro, Correia, 
Enes or Ines ?
and Esteves. Thanks for the help I have gotten from this group. I am certainly 
new at this research and not sure how well I will be able to do this research. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New book on DNA

[George Medeiros]

Cheri,
Thank  you for the information I will have to get myself a copy.George M.

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> On Sep 25, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
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> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists)
> 
> "The Family Tree Guide to DNA Testing and Genetic Genealogy" by Blaine T. 
> Bettinger will be officially published by Family Tree Publishers (hence the 
> words "The Family Tree" in the book title) on Oct. 13th for about $20 USD. 
> The reviews so far are pretty good. I've included Judy Russell's, The Legal 
> Genealogist, review below.
> https://goo.gl/hxfo3u
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> I hope to get my copy from Blaine in November!
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Passporte Help

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I was told that my great grandmother Pollucina dos Anjos was born in ( Matriz) 
Santa Cruz,Logoa,Sao Miguel Azores Portugal. I mention this since John refers 
to Santa Cruz.I can not read document but might the person you mention be from 
same town as my g grandmother ? 
George M. 

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> I thought it was Matriz, but I didn’t know what town to connect that too.  
> Thank you
>> On Aug 20, 2016, at 3:23 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Matriz, i.e. Santa Cruz?
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, August 20, 2016 6:06 PM, Theresa Entin  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi All, 
>> 
>> I am looking at #211 - 555 and I am having trouble figuring out the name of 
>> the town in Lagoa.  It is Jose Tavares and his wife Maria dos Anjos, their 2 
>> children Maria and Antonio.
>> 
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>> www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1894-1896/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1894-1896_item1/P97.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Relevant book & website

[George Medeiros]

What is the title of your book ? George M.

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> to Falmouth, Mass where they were one of the founding families for a local 
> Holy Ghost Society.  My interest in family genealogy made me curious about 
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> I self-published in 2012 that may be of interest to some of this group 
> because of its unorthodox perspectives.  Of more interest, perhaps is a 
> collection of turn of the century (19th/20th) postcards on my website 
> amerazor.com.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Relevant book & website

[George Medeiros]

Thanks so much for sharing your website !  George ( Pereira) Medeiros

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> I self-published in 2012 that may be of interest to some of this group 
> because of its unorthodox perspectives.  Of more interest, perhaps is a 
> collection of turn of the century (19th/20th) postcards on my website 
> amerazor.com.
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jewish Synagogue-Ponta Delgada

[George Medeiros]

Joseph thanks for the articles ...George ( Pereira) Medeiros

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> Here are a series of articles appearing in the Fall River, MA Herald News 
> regarding the Jewish Synagoue in Ponta Delgada during the last year and a 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Jewish Synagogue on Sao Miguel Azores restored

[George Medeiros]

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> From: George Medeiros <migueldeav...@gmail.com>
> Date: July 13, 2016 4:24:48 PM PDT
> To: George Medeiros <migueldeav...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Oldest Jewish Synagogue
> 
> http://www.cjnews.com/living-jewish/travel/oldest-existing-synagogue-portugal-reborn
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] birth certificates, etc

[George Medeiros]

The oldest Jewish Synagogue  is on Sao Miguel Island Azores and was recently 
restored. 
I will see if I can find an article on it and post it. George ( Pereira ) 
Medeiros


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On Jul 13, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Shirl Sereque  wrote:

> Ponta Delgada
> 
>If my memory is correct, there is a Jewish synagogue there, too.  I have 
> some photos of it somewhere on my computer.
> - Shirl -
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 12:59 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
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> 
> Maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but I swear there were a few (very few) 
> Civil Registries beginning in the 1830s (this would have been Sao Miguel 
> island). I'll have to dig around and see what I can find.
> I worked with a student from Terceira. She came to America 3 years ago. I 
> don't remember how it came up, but I mentioned my mom was raised Baptist. She 
> looked at me and asked if that was one of those other Christian religions. I 
> said yes. She said that she didn't know any other religions existed until she 
> moved to America. In her 11 year old mind, the whole world was Catholic. 
> Every freguesia she went to had a Catholic church and had a festa in honor of 
> a saint (or Holy Spirit). So as John said, they are pretty darn Catholic.
> (On Sao Miguel island, I saw one Evangelical church and the LDS (Mormon) 
> church. There were both in the capital city of Ponta Delgada).
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Medeiros, Cordeiro, Candelaria, Sao Miguel island, late 1800s

[George Medeiros]

Thanks for the reply and suggestions. 

I have some info on my Grandmother Virginia and where and when she was born in 
Sao Miguel. and some original U.S. records such as my Grandmother's alien card 
and social security card. I know my Grandmother's parents name Jose d' Araujo 
Pereira and her mother's 
Pulcina ( Polucina) dos Anjos Pereira and have a portrait of them. I have the 
original marriage certificate of my Grandparents which my father had in his 
possession. 

I have very little  info on is my Grandfather. All I have on him is his parents 
name. I do have death info on him from state of R.I. and some early census info 
on where he and my Grandmother lived in R.I. and what type of work he did in 
R.I.

 The book at Holy Rosary is probably where I would start with making the 
connection back to Azores for him and if he had any other family in the U.S.The 
original marriage certificate just says he is from Sao Miguel. The early U.S. 
Census just says he is from Portugal and the later one he is from the Azores 
not the specific area. I know the exact day he died in R.I. I also have my 
Grandmother's holy card of his death date.  George

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> The groom is Francisco Moniz de Resendes, so not even close.
> 
> A "how to" is here on the Azores GenWeb: http://goo.gl/6PMwRD
> 
> You'll need to get death certificates and obituaries, do census research, 
> naturalization & alien registration. It's all outlined in the URL above. 
> Guessing at a freguesia on Sao Miguel won't work. You need a name, date, and 
> place. You only have the name. So there's a lot more U.S. work to be done. 
> And I'd do this on Virginia too, because she may have the clue to her 
> husband. And get the actual marriage from the book at Holy Rosary. Not the 
> half sheet of paper that says He married Her by Me the Priest. The book has 
> more information.
> 
> Do that on both your immigrant ancestors and get to work on Virginia. You 
> have her freguesia on Sao Miguel (Candelaria). All you need is an approximate 
> birth and you'll be able to find her baptism quite easily. You'll be learning 
> how to read (or bumble your way through) the church records. 
> 
> After you exhaust your paper trail, you can also turn to DNA. However, Sao 
> Miguel is the largest island. We are starting to see *SOME* clustering, but 
> it's not always clear cut. You may have to test multiple people to get a 
> clearer picture on which freguesia your Jose was from. And you're going to 
> have to think about who would be the best candidate to solve your 
> genealogical problem. As I said though, you need to exhaust your paper trail 
> first. 
> 
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] hawaii immigrants

[George Medeiros]

I guess when you say Antone died in Fall River,Bristol,Mass you mean Fall 
River, Mass in Bristol County ? Fall River is one of several cities in Bristol 
County. George

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> Again, I am seeking help with a family that immigrated to Hawaii and then the 
> sons came to Fall River MA.  Although Manuel the son shows as being born in 
> Azores, he also says he is born in Hawaii. 
> 
> ANTONIO  M CARVALHO was born about 1870. He married  THERESA  M S FITA. She 
> was born
> about 1870.
> 
> Antonio M Carvalho and Theresa M S Fita had the following children:
> 
> i. MANUEL M CARVALHO was born on 14 Dec 1892 in Azores. He died on 21 Jun
> 1972 in Broward, Florida, United States. He married Maria Carvalho, daughter 
> of
> Francisco Carvalho and Antonia C Benevides on 04 Jun 1917 in Fall River
> Massachusetts. She was born in 1895 in Azores.
> 
> ii. ANTONE MARTIN CARVALHO was born on 15 Jul 1897 in Honolulu. He died in Aug
> 1972 in Fall River, Bristol, Massachusetts, USA. He married Lydia Laforest,
> daughter of Joseph Laforest and Marie Louise Perron on 17 Aug 1918 in Fall
> River, Bristol, Massachusetts. She was born about 1903 in Massachusetts
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Name Abbreviation Help

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Is it Anjos ?

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> Just in case it is better as a picture, here it is.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Today Amazon is offering free Ebook called Us and Them by Bill Meara

[George Medeiros]

The book Us and Them is about a U.S. family living ten years in the 
Azores...George

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] About Selling Your DNA

[George Medeiros]

Thanks for the information. I had no idea the company I got my DNA done with 
could sell the info without my permission. George

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> (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, IslandRoutes)
> 
> This article/blog by Roberta Estes is long. She explains what some DNA 
> testing companies and third party sites can do with your DNA. Yes, some do 
> sell your DNA. Her full article/blog can be found here:
> https://goo.gl/8Qt81B
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA: "Azores DNA Project - Projecto do ADN dos Açôres"

[George Medeiros]

ThanksGeorge

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> George,
> 
> I am a project administrator with Family Tree DNA (FTDNA), not Ancestry. So I 
> can answer as to what pertains to FTDNA.
> 
> Yes, you will get different results with Ancestry vs. FTDNA. You will have 
> different matches on Ancestry (they call them Circles). Your Ancestry results 
> are compared with those who tested on Ancestry so you get Ancestry matches. 
> If you test (or do the $39 autosomal transfer) to FTDNA, you will have a 
> different list of matches (although some people do DNA with both companies). 
> 
> Yes, you will have different ethnic percentages with the different companies. 
> They run it against different population samples. I'm not going to guess at 
> AncestyDNA's. Google around and see if you can find their White Paper.
> 
> If you want to transfer to FTDNA you can find the information here: 
> https://goo.gl/0Ejtmn
> And downloading your raw data from Ancestry can be found here: 
> https://goo.gl/5fYgzc
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA: "Azores DNA Project - Projecto do ADN dos Açôres"

[George Medeiros]

Cheri,
   Recently I got my DNA done with Ancestry because the test was given to me as 
a gift. Is there any difference ever in the results from Ancestry and Family 
Tree ? I recently got my results. I grew up with my Father's side of the family 
who are Portuguese  and his parents are Portuguese from the Azores.My mother is 
not Portuguese.
   I was surprised with the diverse ethnic profile I got from Ancestry.The 
range I got for Iberian Peninsula was between 12%- 39% with an estimated 
average of 26 %. I guess my Grandparents were not 100% Iberian.Might this have 
to do with the ethnic admixture of the Portuguese from the Azores and/ or 
Mainland Portugal ? George ( Pereira ) Medeiros

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> You buy a DNA kit though Family Tree DNA (make sure you order & join through 
> the Azores DNA project here: https://goo.gl/BfMIzR
> 
> There are 3 types of DNA tests and a bunch of combinations of the 3 types. 
> Unless you have a specific goal in mind, you most likely want Family Finder 
> (autosomal DNA). This covers all your lines back about 200 years from the 
> birth of the person taking the test (so if you have living parents or 
> grandparents, test them first).
> 
> After you order, a kit will be mailed to your house. It contains 2 swabs. 
> Follow the directions for swabbing and mail it back. Depending on the volume 
> at the lab, it can take 4-6 weeks to process.
> 
> After your DNA goes through Quality Control, you will be provided with a list 
> of matches, your ethnicity breakdown, a chromosome browser, the ability to 
> download your raw data, the ability to upload your Gedcom so you and your 
> matches can work on it, etc.
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading record

[George Medeiros]

Angela,
You maybe right that bdrra is an abbreviation for a word.Maybe if a search 
is done on google
for   meaning of bdrra Portugueseone will find possible meanings.

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> Comparing with letters in other words of the record, i can see that the first 
> letter is a 'b', but i can't figure out what the second one is. Maybe a 'd'? 
> 'bdrra'?? Abbreviation for what word?...
> But why is the 'b' not capitalized? Is it reffering to something else other 
> than a name? Maybe a nickname or a profession?
> 
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> 2016-04-30 11:17 GMT+01:00 Herb :
> I believe the name is Gorra, someone who lives off the land
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Death Certificates

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My father discussed with me what he wanted done in regards to what funeral home 
to contact and wrote his own obituary that he keep in his file cabinet. He told 
me to provide that obit to the funeral home so they could provide that 
information to the local paper for printing and for the funeral director to 
have the information.He wanted the information to be printed as accurately as 
he knew it in regards to his parents and siblings names and surnames.When he 
died I gave the obit to the funeral director to provide the information to the 
local  newspaper and it was also printed on the funeral homes website for 
people to leave comments who knew my father. 
   George Medeiros

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> Death certificates are a primary source for the date of death only. Anything 
> else you get off of a death certificate (decedent's birth date, the names of 
> the decedent's parents, etc) are considered secondary sources. The decedent 
> is dead and can't provide the information, therefore the rest becomes the 
> secondary source. This is in basic how-to genealogy books and taught in 
> genealogy classes. I teach it in my classes. Until today. I'm changing my 
> tune to "it depends." The death certificate is still a primary source for the 
> date of death. Anything else you get off the death certificate may be a 
> secondary source depending on a few things.
> 
> My dad informed me a few days ago about pre-planning for his and his current 
> wife's final plans. Kicking the bucket, is what he says. When he called 
> today, I answered the phone.
> 
> Dad: Betty and I just got back from the funeral home here and everything is 
> now done. You just call up the funeral home and they'll take care of it all. 
> Well, depending on which one of us kicks the bucket first.
> Me: (Thinking, geez, Dad): That's great, but I don't know what funeral home 
> to call.
> 
> My dad gives me the name, the address, and tells me how to drive there (it's 
> in another state)! Then he goes on
> 
> Dad: And all the questions they asked! I couldn't believe it. They even asked 
> for my mother's maiden name.
> 
> Me: (In disbelief): They asked for her maiden name?
> 
> Dad: Yes. I don't know what for.
> 
> Me: Your death certificate is going to ask for your parents' names. They have 
> now obtained that information from you. If your mom died when you were 5 
> years old and I never knew her, I may not know what to tell them for her name 
> on your death certificate. 
> 
> I don't know if all funeral homes do this if someone is pre-planning their 
> funeral. I think it is a really good idea, as the information is obtained 
> directly. So, from now on, the information on the death certificate could 
> possibly be from the decedent. It will depend on the funeral home and 
> pre-planned arrangements.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Does anyone on list have Jose C.Medeiros ( Jose Cordeiro ) Sao Miguel Azores born about 1882-1890

[George Medeiros]

Looking for info on Jose C. Medeiros ( Cordeiro) born about 1882-1890 in Sao 
Miguel Azores
   
   Son of:Francisco Medeiros Sao Miguel Azores
   Maria de Jesus Cordeiro ( Mary 
Lamb) Sao Miguel Azores
 
 I do not know for sure the area of Sao Miguel but I think it maybe Candalaria

  Date of birth questionable:  1882-1890

 Possibly had sister named   Serappina Cordeiro born about 1892  Sao Miguel 
Azores
 
 Jose( Joseph)  immigrated to U.S. in 1906 eventually living in East 
Providence, R.I. died in R.I. 1928-1929
 
George Medeiros

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Travassos vs Travalos

[George Medeiros]

Thanks for the info on the Portuguese rule of vowel applications. George 
Medeiros

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On Apr 2, 2016, at 6:36 PM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Cathy,
> 
> Yes, it is.  I think in order for this to be understood one needs to know the 
> Portuguese rule of vowel applications  (a, e, i, o u) to the consonants.  
> 
> The rule was that when,  as in this case, an S is in between two vowels the 
> phonetics change in that the "S" sound is now pronounced as the "Z" sound, 
> TravaZos.  In order to correct this there was a period where the soft "ç" was 
> being used making it sound the right way i.e. (ss) until they settled it with 
> double SS; TravaSSos.  And, so it is to present day. 
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Margaret
> 
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Cathy Bourgeois 
> <cathybourgeois1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So Margaret, is that the same spelling as the one I mentioned (right hand 
> side)? Jose de Sousa Travasos?
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1707-1732/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1707-1732_item1/P111.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> Sandra, the letter you're transcribing as (L) one single S, TravaSos.
> 
> Have a look at my ancestor, Amaro Rodrigues Travasos (Travassos) which will 
> illustrate it better for you to see.
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1650-1677/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1650-1677_item1/P9.html
> 
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Sandra Perez <perezsandra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have Sebastiao Travalos married to Margarida de Sousa Azevedo (no marriage 
> found yet).  They had several children.  The first child I found was Maria
> b. 21 Sep 1688 in Rosto de Cao, Sao Roque.  Her marriage is the only record 
> where I found the Name AZEVEDO attached to Margarida.  They had a son,Nicolau 
> de Sousa ( my 5th g-grandfather).  Margarida also had a brother named Nicolau 
> de Sousa.  I have always thought that Margarida's father was a Nicolau de 
> Sousa. I found some info on RR that believe may be Sebastiao and Margarida.
> 
> Maria's marriage to Antonio Ferreira 1 Jun 1713--top left.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1707-1732/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1707-1732_item1/P23.html
> 
> Margarida's brother, Nicolau de Sousa's death record mentions his 
> brother-in-law, Sebastiao Travalos--top left.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-O-1704-1754/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-O-1704-1754_item1/P25.html
> 
> Passage from RR:
> 2)   Nicolau de Sousa Azevedo (N.º 4 § 1.º)
> 
> A 6.4.1742 habilitou-se ao legado de Tomé Alvares de Azevedo na Misericórdia 
> de Ponta Delgada Antónia de Sousa, filha de Manuel de Sousa, moradores em 
> Rosto de Cão demonstrando o seguinte: que a dita habilitada e sua irmã Maria 
> Sousa, casada com António de Sousa e já habilitada em 1738 como parenta em 
> 6.º grau do instituidor eram filhas de Manuel de Sousa e sua mulher Isabel de 
> Sousa, o qual Manuel de Sousa era filho de António Correia e de sua mulher 
> Maria de Sousa ou Leda já habilitada em 1654 e filha de Nicolau de Sousa 
> Azevedo, morador em Rosto de Cão filho de Francisco Lopes Ribeiro e de Ana de 
> Sousa, esta última por seu turno filha de Maria de Azevedo, irmã de Filipa 
> Marques, mãe do instituidor.
> 
> Também aparece como filha de Nicolau de Sousa Azevedo Margarida de Sousa que 
> se habilita em 1684 e já prometida em casamento com Sebastião Travassos filho 
> de Manuel Travassos morador à Calheta de Ponta Delgada. Os atrás citados 
> António Correia e Maria de Sousa são pais de Lourenço de Sousa, morador em 
> Rosto de Cão que do seu casamento com Josefa de Almeida tiveram uma filha 
> Maria de Sousa que em 1734 se habilitou ao referido legado.
> 
>  
> 
> I put in translator website but it was very confusing.
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 8:44 PM, mances <man...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You're right. And I wonder ... I think all of us descend from the Travassos 
> line of São Miguel.
> 
> Manoel
> 
> Em sexta-feira, 1 de abril de 2016 22:18:08 UTC-3, Mara escreveu:
> Hi and if I may ad regarding original spelling some priests used the soft "C" 
> or single "S" instead of the double SS.  Travacos, Travasos i/o Travassos. We 
> should take a look at the original.
> 
> On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 8:55 PM, mances <man...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sandra,
> 
> There's no Travalos in portuguese. My mother language is portuguese and I 
> have never seen this word.
> 
> Manoel
> 
> 
> E

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with Joao d' Araujo 1846 ? I found on Heritage Quest posted by Joao d' Araujo

[George Medeiros]

Cheri,
I will check it out. I thought it might have been a typo or the person 
might have added wrong gender. I think several of the Araujo mentioned on that 
post are related to my Grandmother. I know that at least two of them are 
related. I had no idea that my Grandfather 
Jose d' Araujo Pereira was an Araujo on his Father's side ( Antonio Jose d' 
Araujo) of the family and that his mother Victoria Thomasia Araujo was the 
Pereira. I knew my Grandmother and some of her siblings in the U.S. had Pereira 
or Perry as the surname. I think everyone in the family of my generation 
thought it was Pereira. However, it seems that Pereira was my grandmother 
Virginia Amelia Pereira Medeiros paternal Grandmother's surname at birth. I am 
a beginner at this and I guess it will take me time to figure stuff out and how 
to search for the 
Information. I found in another earlier source that Victoria was named Victoria 
Thomasia d' Jesus Pereira ?  Thanks for the response. George Medeiros


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> It's a typo, or the person added the wrong gender in the program. Go to 
> Tombo.pt or the CCA to verify who was born on that day.
> Cheri
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Need help with Joao d' Araujo 1846 ? I found on Heritage Quest posted by Joao d' Araujo

[George Medeiros]

 
At the site below found:
 
Joao d' Araujo 1846 (with picture image of female) ?
   Father:  Antonio Jose d' Araujo. Born:03-09-1812
   This person is sibling of:  Jose  d' Araujo Pereira born 04-07-1841
Candalaria,Ponta 
Delgada,Sao Miguel,Acores,Portugal
   I am pretty certain Joao is my gg aunt and/or uncle since I know for 
certain her/his brother 
   Jose d' Araujo Pereira is my g grandfather

QUESTION: would a female be named Joao or is this a middle name ? I read 
somewhere that sometimes a female might have Joao as a middle name like for 
example: Maria Joao
Can anyone give me an explanation. I tried to find info on this person on 
Heritage Quest with name Joao d' Araujo with no luck.George ( Pereira) 
Medeiros

> Subject: Joao D' Araujo 1846
> 
> https://www.myheritage.com/names/jo%C3%A3o_d'%20ara%C3%BAjo
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Joao D' Araujo 1873-1874

[George Medeiros]

https://www.myheritage.com/names/jo%C3%A3o_d'%20ara%C3%BAjo

Does anyone know how I would contact the person Joao D' Araujo who posted Joao 
D'Araujo 1873-1874 ?
 
The parents Jose de Araujo Pereira and  Policena dos Anjos Pereira are my g 
Grandparent's.  

My Grandmother Virginia Amelia Pereira born 1890 in Candalaria Sao Miguel 
Azores is their daughter.   George Michael ( Pereira) Medeiros

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for info on Manuel Correia Soares Rosario da Logoa Sao Miguel Azores

[George Medeiros]

Does anyone have this person :
Manuel Correia ( Soares ) 
member Soares family from Rosario da Logoa Sao Miguel Azores
Spouse Antonia Jacintha ?  George Medeiros

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Henriques family

[George Medeiros]

Carol,
Do you know where in California he died ?  There are Rogers in Ventura 
County where I live who changed their name from Rodrigues to Rogers who were 
from the Azores but I don't know what part of the Azores.George

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> I am new to this site. Trying to do research for my husband.
> This is what I know...
> Frank Roger Henriques born 3/25/185(2) or(5) Flores Azores died CA 5/13/1946
> mother's maiden name Alameda
> immigrated to USA 1872
> 
> married Maria Jose (Joseph) born 9/22/1861 Flores, Azores died CA 12/5/1914
> 
> There does not seem to be much information about Frank Rogers Henriques while 
> in the Azores.
> Could you direct me in how to continue research?
> Thank You
> Carol
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Confirm my Pedro Rabello's birth.

[George Medeiros]

Afonso Gonçalves Baldaia is supposedly the first known person with the surname 
Baldaia.
He was a 15th century Portuguese nautical explorer.George

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> Thank you Rosemarie.  By the way, do you know if Baldaia is an Italian name?
> 
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> Wow, Sandra, that is s difficult to read! I think that you have it 
> though, Francisco Affonso and Maria Diaz on the marriage and I think that's 
> what it says on the baptismal record for Pedro! The Priest has really spread 
> out the 'sua mulher' between Affonso and Maria on the baptism! 
> 
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> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Sandra Perez  wrote:
> Is this my Pedro? It is the only one that comes close. Pedro Rabello fo 
> Francisco Afonso and Maria Dias married Luisa Correia fa Antonio Jorge and 
> Maria Mel.
>  
> Birth 25 Mar 1585--top right.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1584-1590/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-B-1584-1590_item1/P20.html
> 
> Marriage 6 Dec 1610--3rd on 
> left.http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1585-1625/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1585-1625_item1/P90.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help needed

[George Medeiros]

You are so knowledgeable of many things and I thought it might of been a typo 
or else I never heard of Holy Family.

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> Yes, Holy Rosary is on Benefit St in Providence (Fox Point area). I guess my 
> brains hadn't kicked in this morning when I made the typo of Holy Family.
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help needed

[George Medeiros]

The church on Benefit St. is called Our Lady of the Rosary Church. Unless they 
have built another church named Holy Family Church. The Portuguese Parish is 
Our Lady of the Rosary.
  George Medeiros

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> When dealing with European records (or any records besides America), you need 
> to think in European date style.
> 
> With the complete name of Maria do Something Rodrigues, married on 4 January 
> 1905 in Providence, Rhode Island, America of the North, with Mariano Rocha de 
> Lima, native of the Azores. The rest is about making the note in the margin. 
> If you don't have the marriage in Providence, I'd go and check Holy Family 
> Church. It's on Benefit or Traverse St. You'll find it with an Internet 
> search.
> 
> The next note says on the day 13 of X of 1943 in the freguesia of Sao Pedro 
> of this council, Mariano Rocha da Lima, obit # 564-943 of this conservatory. 
> Then the note made about when the note was made. So Maria's marriage was 
> "dissolved" by her husband's death. The "X" may refer to December or October. 
> Kinda weird for them to be using this style in 1943.
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] dictionary of portuguese sephardic names

[George Medeiros]

Emmanuel,
Thank you for the information on this book. This is a topic of particular 
interest to me that I have been studying and reading about for several years. 
The first time I became aware that there were people of Portuguese descend who 
had Jewish roots was when I read a book titled  " The Cross and the Pear Tree: 
A Sephardic Journey " by Victor Perera. In that book I heard the story of the 
journey of the Spanish and Portuguese Perera's/Pereira's. 
I had been aware for many years that there were people of Spanish ancestry 
who had Jewish roots like St. Teresa of Avila and St. John of the Cross but not 
of Portuguese ancestry. I grew up in Newport,R.I. and in that city  is a 
synagogue known as Touro Synagogue build by Jews who had come from Spain in the 
Colonial Age but I had no idea some were Portuguese.
Later I read a book called "The Grandees" by Stephen Birmingham about the 
early American Sephardic Jewish Families.In that book he gives the genealogical 
chart of those families written about and tells their story. 
Finally I came across a book titled "The Return to Judaism " Descendants 
from the Inquisition Discovering Their Jewish Roots by Sandra Cumings Malamed. 
I found this book particularly helpful in the interviews she did in chapter 
5 with some people of Azorean Portuguese descent,some Catholic,who had familiar 
Portuguese surnames like my own ancestors like Pereira and Silva. In chapter 8 
she list the surnames of Spanish and Portuguese Marranos and their descendants. 
The lists are of known Jewish individuals and are presented as a possible guide 
to one's own heritage wherever one's own Marrano ancestors may have lived.She 
gives the  possible spelling of those name which might differ depending on the 
country in which they resided. In chapter 7 she gives a partial list of 
Sephardic Communities and Synagogues Worldwide.I think this is a very good book 
to read for those interested in their possible Sephardic roots. All of these 
books used or newcan be found on Amazon.
Thanks again for your post. George Michael ( Pereira ) Medeiros Jr.

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On Feb 26, 2016, at 9:50 PM, emmanuel lopes  wrote:

> "Dicionário Sefardi de Sobrenomes" (Dictionary of Sephardic surnames) 
> In English and Portuguese - authored by Guilherme Faiguenboim, Paulo 
> Valadares and Anna Rosa Campagnano - published by Fraiha Publishing House, 
> Sao Paulo, Brazil, 528 pp, about $47.
> 
> "This superb bilingual addition to the select library of essential books for 
> Sephardic Genealogy has 528 pages divided into several sections. The first 
> section, dealing with a brief Sephardic history and explanations of Sephardic 
> onomastics is printed on 150 pages of glossy paper, beautifully illustrated 
> and reminiscent of an "art book". The right hand page is in Portuguese and 
> the left hand in English, which - though translated by someone for whom 
> English is obviously not a first language - is quite enjoyable and 
> informative.
> 
> The remainder of the book, printed in non-glossy paper, consists of the 
> dictionary of 17,000 Sephardic surnames. For this, the authors modeled 
> themselves on Beider's Surnames of the Russian Empire, albeit with a few 
> modifications necessitated by dealing with surnames written in a variety of 
> alphabets and languages (instead of just Cyrillic), and covering a period of 
> 6 centuries and 335 sources instead of the much narrower period and sources 
> used by Beider. The dictionary section presents the surname, some spelling 
> variants, geographical locations, type (patronymic, descriptive, etc.), 
> meaning of, and sources where found. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Beautiful Reunion Story

[George Medeiros]

Laura,
  Thank you. This is a moving story and your efforts to help another person is 
a blessing .
I think there is a Portuguese word to express this desire " Saudade "which I am 
told is hard to translate but has the meaning of the feeling of longing for 
something or someone who you love and which is lost. The longing one has for a 
loved one, family, home and country. We have our Portuguese music which 
expresses this longing "Fado"  George Medeiros
  

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> I wanted to take a moment and share with all of you, my Portuguese genealogy 
> family, a heartwarming beautiful story that I was blessed to be involved in 
> over the past few days.  As many of you know, I am adopted, and I have been 
> searching for my biological father for many years now.  5 years ago, my 
> husband bought me the Ancestry dna test.  I then tested with FTDna and with 
> 23andme, hoping to find dna cousins who would share their lineage with me.  I 
> learned to read Portuguese, and began researching on the Azorean gov't 
> website to build a large tree with all the genealogy of my Portuguese 
> cousins, looking for common ancestors between them.  I have created a Master 
> DNA tree which now contains over 10,000 people, and I have indeed found 
> common ancestors.  I am waiting the results of a dna test for a woman I 
> believe is my aunt or 2nd cousin.  Expected date of discovery:  March 21st!  
> Along this journey, I have been richly blessed me with so many new friends 
> and Portuguese cousins.  I have learned much about my ancestors, the Island 
> of Sao Miguel, from which they came, and the struggles my ancestors endured, 
> making my life possible. 
> 
> About 3 years ago, I was working off a list of all of the men who bore my 
> biological father's name, Robert Moniz, and lived in the Fall River area at 
> the time of my birth.  One man in particular had a son, Cory, that I located 
> on Facebook.  I messaged him there, with my story, and he agreed to take the 
> Ancestry DNA test for me.  As it turns out, we are only 5th to 8th cousins.  
> Not close enough to provide any clues, but I added his family lines to my DNA 
> Cousin Tree anyhow, thinking sometime in the future, it may be helpful.  I 
> also added his mother's lines, even though she was French Canadian.  That was 
> about 2 years ago.  My search continues and I have not really looked at this 
> family in quite some time.
> 
> Saturday morning I received a benign message from a 70 year old woman on 
> Ancestry.  Her husband had purchased the test kit for her as a Christmas 
> gift.  She had received her results and was showing a 3rd to 4th cousin match 
> to Cory and was reaching out to me because I am the administrator of his dna 
> profile.  She was given up for adoption in 1945 in NY, and has been searching 
> for her biological family for 50 years.  Her husband had bought her the 
> Ancestry DNA test kit for Christmas.  She  wondered if I had some small piece 
> of information that could help her learn something about her family.   Due to 
> her age, she suspected her parents would have passed away by now.  The only 
> thing she knew about her birth parents is that she had been told her mom was 
> 17 when she was born, and she believed her father may have been a married 
> man. I responded and explained that the test she was matching did not belong 
> to me, but if she would share her dna results with me, I would take a look, 
> as I did have quite a bit of information on Cory's family.
> 
> Then the whirlwind began.  It was readily apparent to me that this adoptee 
> was related to Cory through his mother.  I could see this due to the common 
> matches they shared.  I started to identify common ancestors between her dna 
> matches.  And I just couldn't stop.  I traced the lines down and then found 
> yet another common ancestor between unrelated 3rd cousins, and again started 
> to trace that line down and bang I found a marriage between the two 
> lines 5 dna cousins connecting to the wife and 6 unrelated dna cousins 
> connecting to the husband.  I had identified this adoptees grandparents!  I 
> nearly fell off my chair.  This couple had 14 children.. which one was 
> her parent?  Upon closer examination it was clear it could only be one of two 
> girls.  I went onto Facebook and found the children of these two woman and 
> sent them a message with this adoption story. Yesterday, one of the children 
> called me letting me know that the woman we are looking for is indeed her 
> aunt, a daughter of the grandparents I had identified.  She is 90 years, 
> alive and well, and had been searching for the past 50 years for her 
> daughter.  She had even

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventário de António de Araújo Pereira - Direcção Regional da Cultura dos Açores - Archeevo

[George Medeiros]

Just a note on personal history. When I was a boy my Grandmother Virginia 
Amelia Pereira Medeiros showed me pictures of my relatives who lived on Sao 
Miguel Island in the Azores. I knew that she and her sister Theresa( Tereza) 
Pereira Pignatelli who died in 1971 and 1970 in Newport, R.I. still had a 
brother named Antonio de Araujo Pereira living in the Azores. I have tried to 
find info on him with no luck.I am almost certain I still have relatives living 
there in the Azores. I presume on Sao Miguel. My Grandmother Virginia and Great 
Aunt Theresa were born in Candalaria and registered in Ponta Delgada. I don't 
know for sure but I think this man may be the brother ? I knew my Grandmother 
had two brothers and two sisters living at different times in Fall River and 
later in Newport, R.I. Once I asked my uncle how many brothers and sisters my 
Grandmother had and he said 18. I wondered were he got such a large number and 
no one else has ever confirmed it. Now they are all deceased and my cousin 
don't seem to know much more than I do. George Michael ( Pereira ) Medeiros 

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> You can't--what you've linked to is the finding aid. It tells you what the 
> physical object is and where it can be found in the archives in Ponta 
> Delgada. You will either have to visit the archives in person and request to 
> see the document or you can try and contact the archives and ask if they will 
> provide you with a scanned copy (there will be a cost associated with the 
> second option). 
> 
> Sonia 
> 
> 
> 
> Sónia Pacheco 
> 
> Librarian Archivist, Ferreira-Mendes Portuguese American Archives 
> Library liaison to: History, Portuguese, Foreign Languages 
> 
> Claire T. Carney Library 
> University of Massachusetts Dartmouth 
> Tel. 508-999-8695 
> Email spach...@umassd.edu 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "George Medeiros" <migueldeav...@gmail.com>
> To: "Azores" <azores@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 10:54:02 PM
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventário de António de Araújo Pereira - 
> Direcção Regional da Cultura dos Açores - Archeevo
> 
> http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1188848
> 
> How do I use the above site to get more information on Antonio de Araujo 
> Pereira other than what is shown when site is opened ? I am not sure how to 
> use this site to get info for example when this person was born ? Who are the 
> parents? Siblings ? Spouse ? George M. Medeiros 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventário de António de Araújo Pereira - Direcção Regional da Cultura dos Açores - Archeevo

[George Medeiros]

Thank You Cheri and Sonia ! Sonia I am a graduate of the University of Mass 
Dartmouth when it was known as SMU. However, when I was a student there in the 
70's there was no Portuguese American Archives at the University but think it 
is great there is one now ! George Medeiros

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> You can't--what you've linked to is the finding aid. It tells you what the 
> physical object is and where it can be found in the archives in Ponta 
> Delgada. You will either have to visit the archives in person and request to 
> see the document or you can try and contact the archives and ask if they will 
> provide you with a scanned copy (there will be a cost associated with the 
> second option). 
> 
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> - Original Message -
> From: "George Medeiros" <migueldeav...@gmail.com>
> To: "Azores" <azores@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 10:54:02 PM
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventário de António de Araújo Pereira - 
> Direcção Regional da Cultura dos Açores - Archeevo
> 
> http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1188848
> 
> How do I use the above site to get more information on Antonio de Araujo 
> Pereira other than what is shown when site is opened ? I am not sure how to 
> use this site to get info for example when this person was born ? Who are the 
> parents? Siblings ? Spouse ? George M. Medeiros 
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mosteiros, sao Miguel

[George Medeiros]

Mary,
I see you are possibly related to John Raposo. I am a very distant cousin 
of John Raposo through his mother according to John. Also I am related to 
people with the surname Medeiros, Pereira, Araujo, Cordeiro, Correia and 
Soares. If you are related to John I was wondering what are the names of some 
of your relatives with similar surnames to mine. Maybe, we have a connection. I 
had family in Fall River and Newport. I realize there are many people with 
these surnames. George Medeiros

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> John, I live in Fall River, MA...and would like to know how you are related 
> to the da Silva family from Mosteiros. My dad's side of the family were da 
> Silva Medeiros Mateus and my moms were Cordeiro Araujo da Silva
> 
> 
> On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 10:32:04 AM UTC-5, John Raposo wrote:
> Been there many times and will be there again in April.Beutiful!
> 
> 
> On Monday, February 22, 2016 7:15 AM, Ellen Ade <eaa...@smumn.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes. This is my family.  I have been in touch with Francisco's brother's 
> (Manuel da Silva) side. I have a tree started, but some incorrect dates and 
> no documentation. Would like to plan a trip to Mosteiros.
> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Inventário de António de Araújo Pereira - Direcção Regional da Cultura dos Açores - Archeevo

[George Medeiros]

http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1188848

How do I use the above site to get more information on Antonio de Araujo 
Pereira other than what is shown when site is opened ? I am not sure how to use 
this site to get info for example when this person was born ? Who are the 
parents? Siblings ? Spouse ? George M. Medeiros 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Some very old photos of people etc. living in the Azores

[George Medeiros]

http://historiadosacores.tumblr.com/page/13

I found this above site which may be of some use to some members of the group 
doing research.
  George M. 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Wilhelm Tobien photographer for National Geographic 1930's photographic study of Azores

[George Medeiros]

This evening I was doing some research and came across some very old photos of 
people, places, etc. in the Azores. I noticed several of the photos were done 
by Wilhelm Tobien. If you are interested do a google search and see the amazing 
photos. George Medeiros

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to read the left page of this document.

[George Medeiros]

Thank You this is a big help. George

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On Feb 16, 2016, at 11:51 AM, bsei2...@gmail.com wrote:

> I pasted below a portion of a post from Linda of this group that has links to 
> some great resources to help read these records (Thanks Linda).  When I first 
> saw these records about 3 or 4 years ago I thought they were impossible; it 
> takes practice.  The baptismal record of Thereza you posted is actually a 
> very good scan and has very good handwriting so is easier to read than many 
> you might encounter.  I look for key words that signal the information I'm 
> looking for.
> 
> 
> 
> I found your grandmother's baptism and will use it as an example.  It is the 
> bottom right record for "Virginia" 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1890-1899_item1/P13.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Baptism date: 3 July 1890 (in this era this is usually the opening line of 
> the record "Em os tres dias do mes de Julho do anno de mil oitocentos e 
> noventa" = on day 3 of the month of July of the year thousand eight-hundred 
> and ninety.
> 
> Birth date: 18 June 1890 (look for the word "nasceu" (born) LIne 7 ...nasceu 
> n'esta freguesia as cinco horas da tarde do dia dezoito do mes de junho do 
> corrente anno" = born in this parish at 5 pm on day 18 of the month of June 
> of the current year
> 
> Father: Jose d' Araujo Pereira (line 9; look for the word "filha" (or "filho" 
> for boys) to signal the parents names follow shortly).  It then says the 
> father is a proprietor and native to this parish.
> 
> Mother: Pollucina (Pulcina?) dos Anjos (follows the father's information near 
> end of line 10); it then says she has domestic occupation and is native of 
> Matriz da Santa Cruz da Lagoa.
> 
> It then says the parents were married (recibidos) and are parishioners 
> (paroquiannos) of the mentioned (dita) parish of Candalaria.
> 
> She is paternal granddaughter (neta paterna, line 16) of Antonio Jose d' 
> Araujo and Victoria Thomasia de Jesus
> 
> She is maternal grandaughter (e materna, line 17) of Manuel Correia Soares 
> and Antonia Jacintha, 
> 
> 
> 
> I hope this helps and wish you luck.  The part I plagiarized from Linda 
> follows.
> 
> 
> 
> Bill Seidler
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The familysearch.org site offers a very good resource for getting started 
> with Portuguese genealogy:
> 
> 
> 
> https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Azores_Genealogy
> 
> 
> 
> Especially useful is this word list:
> 
> 
> 
> https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Portuguese_Genealogical_Word_List
> 
> 
> And, this booklet is very useful for getting started reading the records:
> 
> 
> 
> https://script.byu.edu/Documents/portuguese_paleography.pdf
> 
> 
> 
> The booklet is also available here, in pieces (downloading smaller files may 
> be better for slower connections):
> 
> 
> 
> https://familyhistory.byu.edu/Downloads/Portuguese_Extraction/Default.htm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Finally, here's an example of a transcription and translation of a record:
> 
> 
> 
> http://myportuguesegen.blogspot.com/p/books-and-documents-are-important.html
> 
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jewish cemetery and records in Cedros, Santa Cruz das Flores.

[George Medeiros]

If your friend is not able to find any Jewish connection in the records in the 
Azores.Is she able to trace her relatives from Cedros back to Portugal ? If she 
can do that, maybe, she might find her Jewish connection. When the Jews fled 
Spain and Portugal they  went to various European Countries,Africa ( 
Morocco),Asia and the Americas.There is much literature being written today 
about the Spanish and Portuguese Jews. The first Portuguese/ Spanish Jewish 
Community in North America was in New Amsterdam and the second in Newport, R.I. 
The Portuguese and Spanish Jews are known as Sephardi. The one in Newport,R.I. 
is known as Touro Synagogue which was built in the Colonial Age and that 
synagogue is still in use today. The one in New York is the oldest community 
founded by Portuguese and Spanish Jews in North America. If I recall correctly 
the oldest Portuguese Jewish Community in the Americas is in Recife, Brazil.In 
Europe Holland was one country that was receptive to the fleeing Portuguese and 
Spanish Jews. There are several Portuguese Jewish Synagogues there. George M. ( 
Pereira) Medeiros

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On Feb 15, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Debbie Gurtler  wrote:

> I have a friend I am helping with her Portuguese ancestry and she is asking 
> about Jewish records for the municipality of Cedros, on the isle of Flores. 
> Does anyone have any familiarity with non-Catholic records? Do any 
> inquisition or convert records exist for those who may have been Jewish and 
> converted in order to avoid persecution? Other than possibly DNA is there any 
> other ways she might prove or disprove any Jewish lineage? 
> 
> Through some online searches I have found there is a Jewish cemetery in the 
> Horta district. Does anyone have any information about it?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to read the left page of this document.

[George Medeiros]

Thank You this is my Grandmother Virginia Amelia Pereira Medeiros' older sister 
!  I knew my Great Aunt Tereza ( Theresa)Pereira Pignatelli when she lived in 
Newport,R.I.and was married to Leonardo Pignatelli. They had seven daughters 
and no sons.She was born on Jan. 23,1884 in Candalaria Sao Miguel Azores.I 
think she died in 1970.

My Grandmother Virginia was born in 1890 in the same place and lived in 
Newport, R.I.when she died on Feb.26,1971.I have a photo of their parents when 
she died which I will post on azores group just in case anyone else in the 
group has any connection to my Araujo Pereira relatives.My grandmother and her 
sister Tereza  had a brother Antonio Araujo Pereira still living in the Azores 
after they both died. I have not been able find information on him.I think 
through him I still have relatives on Sao Miguel Island. Is anyone familiar 
with him ? There were also other siblings. 

Thank you so much for helping me with this. How were you able to read it ? Is 
there something I need to do to be able to read these documents ?

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> Here is what I see:
> 
> Baptism date: 24 Jan 1884
> Birth date: 23 Jan 1884
> Father: Jose de Araujo Pereira, peasant worker, native of Candalaria
> Mother: Pulcina dos Anjos, domestic, native of NS do Rosario, Lagoa
> Paternal grandfather: Antonio Jose de Araujo, native of Candalaria
> Paternal grandmother: Victoria Thomasia, native of Sao Sebastiao, Ginetes
> Maternal grandfather: Manuel Correia Soares, native of NS do Rosario, Lagoa
> Maternal grandmother: Antonia Jacinta, native of NS do Rosario, Lagoa
> Godfather: Manuel de Araujo Pereira Junior, peasant worker, single, native of 
> Candalaria
> Godmother: Maria dos Anjos, domestic, single, native of Candalaria 
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Confirmations

[George Medeiros]

Does anyone know if the Bishops lived in the Azores during this period or were 
they coming from Portugal ? How frequently did the Bishop or Bishops go to 
isolated areas of the Azores Islands? If children so young were confirmed might 
the infrequency of the Bishop's visit have anything to do with it or was it 
because there was no rule about age to confirm ? George

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> BIG Thank you JR J!
>  
> De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de JR
> Enviada: 13 de fevereiro de 2016 20:16
> Para: Azores Genealogy 
> Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Confirmations
>  
> I just finished posting something about Damiao Braga from the records of 
> Fenais da Vera Cruz (today Fenais da Ajuda) and came across a very unique 
> document, at least to me, that shows a list of confirmed people compiled by 
> the Vigario of the church in 1705. It clearly shows that some people were 
> confirmed at less less than 10 years old. If anyone wants to look, here it 
> is. If correct, this shows one child I know confirmed at five years old. One 
> source told me, it depended on when the Bishop was due to show up in the 
> village. Damiao was 11 years old in 1705, but his sister Anna, was only five 
> years.
>  
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1699-1713/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1699-1713_item1/P59.html
>  
> JR
> 
> On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 4:00:40 PM UTC-5, Azoreanno wrote:
> I think you could be a godparent after you received your Confirmation
> 
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> On Feb 11, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Suzanne Edvalson  wrote:
> 
> I am currently extracting the marriages, baptisms and death records for 
> Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge.  In doing the baptisms, I am extracting the names 
> and relationships, if stated, of the godparents. This is where my question 
> arose from. Thank you all for your responses. I knew current "law" says 16 
> years of age, but was very curious as to what was allowed that far back.  
> Great discussion.
> 
> On Sunday, February 7, 2016 at 8:13:51 PM UTC-8, Suzanne Edvalson wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> Does anyone know or have a good guess as to what age "children" were able to 
> act as godparents in a baptism in the 1600s and up?
> 
> Thank you.
> Suzanne
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Confirmations

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Canon law may state what the expectation of the church may be in regards to 
procedures etc. but than there is the knowledge the cleric and/or layperson may 
have about that law. Even when a person is well informed that doesn't mean the 
law will be practiced or followed in every case. Ideals are one thing but what 
people practice is another. George

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On Feb 9, 2016, at 7:28 AM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> The Church has come a long way and has gone through many reforms.  Not to 
> contradict what has been said I it is important to note Priests do not fudge 
> anything as they are heavily audited.  Secondly Canon law allows for two 
> Godparents.  
> 
>  Title BAPTISM (Cann. 849-878) Chapter IV 
> 
> SPONSORS
> 
> Can.  873 There is to be only one male sponsor or one female sponsor or one 
> of each.
> Can.  874 §1.
> 2/ have completed the sixteenth year of age, unless the diocesan bishop has 
> established another age, or the pastor or minister has granted an exception 
> for a just cause.
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_P2Y.HTM
> 
> 
> 
> Confirmation:
> 
> CHAPTER IV.
> 
> SPONSORS
> 
> Can.  892 Insofar as possible, there is to be a sponsor for the person to be 
> confirmed; the sponsor is to take care that the confirmed person behaves as a 
> true witness of Christ and faithfully fulfills the obligations inherent in 
> this sacrament.
> 
> Can.  893 §1. To perform the function of sponsor, a person must fulfill the 
> conditions mentioned in ⇒ can. 874.
> 
> §2. It is desirable to choose as sponsor the one who undertook the same 
> function in baptism.
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting:http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P34.HTM
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> Margaret
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 2:47 AM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> You are most probably right Joanne!  When my ten year old was the godfather 
> to our youngest, the godmother was my own aunt, who was past middle age:)  
> Her godmother passed away in 1995 but she still have her brother as her 
> godfather!  Thanks for sharing your knowledge and insight!
> 
> Susan
> 
> On Feb 8, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Joanne Mercier  wrote:
> 
>> It is possible that a priest would have fudged the age requirement as long 
>> as the teens were already Confirmed - that requirement weighs most against a 
>> year or 2 age differential. Then there are other priests who use liberal 
>> doses of "pastoral judgement" for any number of personal reasons and their 
>> actions can cause some confusion when trying to track down or understand 
>> this kind of information. In the case of your older son, for example, if the 
>> godmother for your younger son met all the church requirements then the 
>> priest allowed, without explanation, your older son to "stand in" and may or 
>> may not have included him in the official records because, again by law, 
>> only 1 godparent is really required at a baptism (a little known fact in 2 
>> are considered traditional and rarely discouraged). I won't judge the 
>> resulting action but it might have helped you understand the process better 
>> had he explained what he was doing at the time. 
>> 
>> Just so you know, this is the area of Catholic Church I work in so I am very 
>> well versed in it. If I don't know an answer regarding church records I at 
>> least know where to look it up or who to ask for clarification. When I 
>> retire I might try that rainy day project and look closer at the godparents 
>> of my ancestors - might be fun!
>> 
>> Joanne Grota Mercier
>> 
>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 1:29 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I believe you are right but on just a personal note on our family..two 
>>> of our siblings ages 14 and 15 were godparents to one of my sons in 1968, 
>>> my cousin age 15 was godmother to my oldest in 1966, and our oldest son 
>>> aged 10, was godfather to our youngest in 1977. These were in three 
>>> different parishes in California. There was no mention of any problem with 
>>> their ages at the baptisms.
>>> 
>>> It would be interesting to look at our Azorean records as we could figure 
>>> this out many times if we have extracted the records of the siblings of the 
>>> parents as they were so often the godparents.one of those rainy day 
>>> projects, LOL.
>>> 
>>> Susan Vargas Murphy 
>>> 
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>>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Joanne Mercier  wrote:
>>> 
 According the Roman Catholic Code of Canon Law the age is 16 unless a 
 bishop establishes it otherwise. This has been in effect for centuries and 
 remains so today. 
 
> On Feb 7, 2016, at 10:24 PM, Sme  wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> Does anyone know or have a good guess as to what age "children" were able 
> to act as godparents in a baptism in the 

[AZORES-Genealogy] I think I corrected the mistake anyone interested should be able to open PDF ...George

[George Medeiros]

>> Subject: The New Canon Law on Baptism 151 pages 72-75 The Third Book  Sacred 
>> Things
>> 
>> The New Canon Law
>> 
>> A Commentary and Summary of the New Code of Canon Law
>> by Rev.Stanislaus Woywod O.F.M.
>> with Preface by the Right Rev.Mgr. Philip Bernardini ,S.V.D.
>> Professor of Canon Law at the Catholic University Washington
>> New Edition,Augmented by Recent Decree and Declaration
>> New York
>> Joseph F. Wagner  ( Inc )
>> London B. Herder
>> Imprimatur 
>> John Cardinal Farley
>> Archbishop of New York 
>> New York July 3, 1918
>> 
>> www.catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/canonlaw/commentary%20.pdf
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Confirmations

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The Roman Catholic  Church has hundreds of Canon laws and Canon lawyers. Like 
the secular legal system not all laws are understood clearly and when there are 
questions about what one can and can not do within the legal system one 
contacts a lawyer. When in question, if I understand it correctly, most clerics 
are not  church lawyers and they would pose their questions to the Bishop's 
Office and  Canon lawyers may or may not be consulted. 

The question about Canon law in 1600's is a good one and we do have to be 
careful about applying today's standards to a earlier time. Just in the last 50 
years the Catholic Church has made many changes, like for example allowing 
annulments in marriage,and just look at what Pope Francis is trying to get the 
Cardinals and Bishops to look at in regards to contemporary social issues like 
divorce and remarriage. Some issues are left to the  judgement of the local 
pastor who has the job of listening to each person's individual situation. Thus 
I am sure those of us from a catholic background have seen different decisions 
made in regards to similar situations. George

 

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> I don't know about Canon law, etc. but 15 years ago when my last grandson was 
> born his parents wanted his older brother 12 and sister 14 to be the 
> godparents and the priest at the church gave them a emphatic "no."  They had 
> to be at least 16.
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Earthquake Map of Azores

[George Medeiros]

Like you comments about the natural disasters. I grew up in R.I. and I heard 
many a story of the 1938 hurricane in my childhood.Some of my Portuguese 
relatives were involved with rescue efforts that year and loss. George

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> I don't think Terceria gets them like Sao Miguel and Faial, Pico and Sao 
> Jorge. Someone showed me the fault lines and there is one right through 
> Faial. In fact on the side of Pedro Miguel going into Horta there is a large 
> gash in the mountain. There is a strange looking empty space where the 
> terrain is totally different on each side of the gash. There are also many 
> ruins half standing on Faial from the 1998 earthquake. For all the damage and 
> loss of lives and injuries it was only Faial, Pico and San Jorge that was 
> hit. Terceria is known for mudslides more than earthquakes I think. When I 
> was staying in Porto Judeu last summer that's all people were talking about 
> all the damage the mudslides caused - houses slid off the land flooding etc. 
> They don't seem to have the earthquake issue like Faial Pico and even Sao 
> Miguel. I believe there is a list of all the natural disasters the Azores has 
> had on Wikipedia Azores earthquakes or Azores natural disasters I forget now. 
> When I lived in Calif Arleta,  Burbank and Yucipia had tremors but we were 
> used to a little tremor life went on as usual. We had mudslides in February 
> in Calif that were awful though. 
> Anywhere we live there is always something at risk it seems. Carolina was 
> tornadoes and hurricanes. RI Mass snowstorms and hurricanes some floods as 
> well. We humans are resilient and learn to cope.  :) I found the page - 
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_disasters_in_the_Azores Looks like 
> 1980 was the last one in Terceria. 
>  
> 
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2016, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> I asked one of my students (an immigrant from Terceira) about earthquakes. 
> She said she never felt one there! (She came to America a couple of years ago 
> at the age of 11). I thought maybe they were really small and she didn't 
> realize that they were earthquakes. Since I've grown up with earthquakes, I 
> don't always feel them either. I've been teaching and saw half my students 
> dive under the desk, and told them "Ha, ha, good one. Funny prank. Get up 
> now." And they said, "No! No! Didn't you feel that earthquake Miss Mello?" 
> Half my class is looking at the other half like they are crazy and the other 
> half is looking back at them, completely freaked out wondering why they 
> aren't under the desk. I just don't feel the small ones anymore.
> 
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> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Meaning of "canada"

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Thanks for the information.George

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> We have a canada running through our property on Pico. It's a footpath 
> running from the rua up the side of the hill to allow access to the various 
> terraces which are land-locked. Canadas started as footpaths, whether 
> providing access to terraces above, cutting through a woods, or leading to 
> someone’s house from one of the “caminhos,” which were more used roads within 
> and between towns. To identify where someone lived or something was, 
> villagers gave names to many of the canadas. Over time, some of the canadas 
> got widened so a cart could get through and some got gravel put on them. 
> Outside of the established cities such as Ponta Delgada, Angra, Horta, and a 
> few others, most Azorean roads had only popular names the locals used until 
> the second half of the 20th century, when "official" names came into being. 
> Some canadas became newly-named roads that kept the word "canada" in their 
> names, but often these new roads were given names honoring various 
> individuals. Thus, a canada name that appears on an old birth, marriage, or 
> death registration may no longer exist by that name—if it exists at all 
> today. Sometimes, oldtimers remember where a certain canada used to be or 
> what name a current road popularly had in the past.  As a result, a canada 
> can be a nameless footpath but today it could also be a back alley or a minor 
> road in a town.
> 
>  
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The name Adao

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I may not have been clear the root of the  Portuguese word is from Hebrew which 
means Adam in English according to what I found on google. 

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> Red is vermelho. I think Earth is terra. Adão would be Adam in English. Don't 
> know about the Hebrew stuff.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Immigration records

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Why is that the case that emigration records do not exist do you know ? George

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> Emigration records from America do not exist.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder results

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Jacklyn,
I noticed one of the people on your list has surname Serpa. Just for your 
information Father A.L. Serpa was the first Portuguese Catholic Priest ordained 
in the Diocese of Providence, R.I. I was told. He was the pastor of Our Lady of 
the Rosary Church in Providence, R.I. in the early  1900's which is a 
Portuguese Parish and was established to serve the early immigrants from the 
Azores and Portugal. My Grandparents were married by Fr. Serpa in that parish 
in 1907. Do you know if you have any connection to him ? In any case I thought 
you might like to know about that church which still serves the Portuguese 
community in R.I. George Medeiros

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> My Family Finder results have come in, my kit # 435414 Jacklyn James Decker.  
> I also uploaded my raw data to Gedmatch # F435414 Jacklyn James Decker if 
> anyone would like to check it out.
> Thanks
> Jacklyn 
> 
> Jacklyn ( James) Decker
> Researching :
> Manuel Garcia Serpa  (aka Davina/Enos in U.S.)
>  de Avila,Josefa,Tomasia,(Bandeiras, Pico, Azores) 
> da Fonte, Caetano (Santo Antonio)
> Dutra (Horta Angustias) 
> de Jesus (Castelo Branco)
> Maciel (Candelaria) 
> And more
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Why migrate to the Azores?

[George Medeiros]

Thanks for the information.Greatly appreciated. George

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On Sep 17, 2015, at 8:33 AM, "luiznoia ."  wrote:

> 
> From the book , Açores: Nove Ilhas, Uma Historia  "Nine Islands, one history" 
> Susana Goulart Costa
>  ISBN-13: 978-0981933603
> ISBN-10: 0981933602
> This work depicts the insular experience of the Azores since its settlement 
> until the present day, attentively following a chronological line that begins 
> in the XV century and ends in 2008. The settlement of the islands, their 
> incipient political and administrative structures and main economic 
> activities, the organisation of an insular society and the beliefs and 
> religious sensibilities are some of the themes that are rigorously explored. 
> Its principal purpose is to inform readers about the principal aspects of 
> insular history. This is a concise history easily accessible to the public in 
> general notwithstanding the author's assurance that it is a scientific work.
> 
> 
> 
> "These first settlers had different motivations for embarking on their 
> adventure, motivations that have been more or less constant throughout human 
> history.
> 
> Most came from the lower classes and saw in migration as an opportunity to 
> attain a better life in a new land. They were also attracted by the economic 
> and fiscal
> benefits granted by the Portuguese Crown during the first years. These 
> settlers usually took their families and ended up transplanting their "home." 
> Overwhelmingly,
> they were persons who had left behind little more than what they would find 
> in the new land. In the mid-16th century, Gaspar Frutuoso pointed to this 
> reality
> since he observes that, whenever the grain-producing lands of Sao Miguel 
> become worn out, the "poor farmers are neither able nor willing to abandon 
> the lands that
> they rent, even if they are losing profits, for they have no other 
> livelihood."
> 
> Far less common were settlers with high social standing. Some had 
> participated in the discovery of the islands; some had gained the trust of 
> their leaders and
> had been granted royal appointments, while others would be responsible for 
> the political, administrative and economic organization of the islands, as 
> was the case
> of Gonzalo Velho Cabral and Jacome de Bruges. Still, these were mainly 
> esquires, the lowest rung in the hierarchy of the nobility. As such, they saw 
> their move to
> the Azores as a way of moving up the social ladder by assuming control of 
> land and government posts. This was an elite class that used the archipelago 
> to rise in
> society, but their prominence would be felt only in the context of the 
> islands, and not on the mainland. 
> 
> In other cases, dishonor that had befallen the family name prompted some to 
> look to the islands as a place to take refuge or to regain the social 
> prestige that had been lost. A very interesting example of this would be the 
> Canto family. The fIrst member of the clan to reach the Azores was Pedro Anes 
> do Canto, a native of Guimaraes.
>  His grandfather was Vasco Afonso do Canto, whose paternal grandparents were 
> nobles from Galicia, while his maternal grandparents came from England. He 
> fought on the side of Dom Pedro in the Battle of Alfarrobeira and, with the 
> defeat, fell "into great disfavor" with King Afonso V. By fighting in the 
> campaign to conquer Morocco, he regained the confidence of the Crown, which 
> rewarded him in 1527 with the directorship of the District Office of the 
> Armadas, based in the island of Terceira.
> 
>  Along with this voluntary migration, the historical sources that are 
> available indicate that individuals who were under a variety of constraints 
> also came to the islands. The situation of the Jews, expelled from the 
> Kingdom by order of King Manuel I in 1496,27 is a paradigmatic example of how 
> the maritime territories served as a dumping ground for so-called 
> ''undesirable'' groups of individuals, which also included the Moors and 
> recent converts. Similarly, some prisoners were forced to serve their 
> sentences on the islands. In 1455, for example, King Afonso V pardoned Joao 
> de Lisboa, who had been sent to Santa Maria in 1446 to be imprisoned for 
> homicide. 
> After having served nine years of his 15-year sentence, this criminal 
> returned to the mainland. These are situations that illustrate two aspects of 
> the early settlement of the region. First, since the Crown had difficulty in 
> recruiting persons, it forced some to migrate. Second, in the mid 15th 
> century, the settlement was still so sparse that not even the most 
> underprivileged were attracted. Finally, this process also included the 
> importation of slaves."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Eric Edgar
> 
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> Repost for Miguel Deavery, migueldeavery at gmail.com
> 
> I often wonder why some of our ancestors went to the 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dispensations and Degrees of Consanguinity and Affinity

[George Medeiros]

   Thanks for the information on the degrees of dispensation.

   The practice of marrying one's relative to keep the land and money in the 
family wasn't uncommon in many cultures which I have discovered in my reading 
of history which is a subject of interest to me. 

   This is a speculation but does anyone have any historical information in 
regards to this practice being done in the Azores because of a lack of males 
available to marry ? I can't recall now were I read this info but I recall 
reading somewhere that there was a time mainland Portugal would send ships go 
to the Azores Islands to forcibly recruit males 12 and above to send them to 
the Portuguese colonies. Thus there would be a depletion of non related males 
for women to marry. British ships that came into Azores harbors would take 
these males out of the Azores to help them avoid being forcibly enlisted by the 
Portuguese Government. 

   Don't take this info as fact because I don't recall the source were I read 
this info about enforced enlistment.

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> 
> Here is a legible example of a marriage requiring dispensation - marriage in 
> the first and second degrees - an uncle marrying his niece 
> 
> In 1877 José Jacintho da Camara Leite (age 49) married Dona Maria Julia 
> Vicencia (age 20) - she is the  daughter of my great great grandparents 
> Manuel Barbosa and Maria Vicencia da Camara Leite. And he is the brother of 
> my great great grandmother Maria Vicencia da Camara Leite. 
> 
> This was most likely done to keep the money and land in the same family, I'm 
> told. The uncle was wealthy and the owner of the casa senhorial (manor house) 
> in Lombinha da Maia
> 
> 
> 
> page 1 bottom of the page, right side
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-MAIA-C-1870-1879/SMG-RG-MAIA-C-1870-1879_item1/P110.html
> 
> page2 top of the page, left side
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-MAIA-C-1870-1879/SMG-RG-MAIA-C-1870-1879_item1/P111.html
> 
> 
> Casamento José Jacintho da Camara Leite e D. Maria Julia Vicencia 
> 
> 
> 
> Casa Senhorial, Lombinha da Maia, SãoMiguel
> 
> 
> MaryAnn Santos
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> If a couple is related in some way, they need to apply for a dispensation.
> 
> The two ways to be related are by consanguinity (blood) or by affinity (your 
> spouse dies, so you marry their brother or sister, i.e. the in-law).
> 
> 1st degree: Rather rare. Uncle - niece, aunt-nephew. I think there's some 
> other stuff as 1st degree. I think only once in the history of this list was 
> a 1st degree posted.
> 
> 2nd degree: 1st cousins
> 3rd degree: 2nd cousins
> 4th degree: 3rd cousins
> 
> After that, the Catholic church did not care.
> 
> If a couple were related, a dispensation had to be applied for. They don't 
> necessarily follow a format. The ones I saw (Sao Miguel island ancestry) had 
> a interview with the groom and one with the bride. Ask how they met, why they 
> wanted to marry. Said how they were related. So if you are at a point where 
> you are running out of records (because they don't exist anymore) you may 
> find a few more generations in a dispensation. HOWEVER, not all dispensations 
> exist either.
> 
> Currently, Joao Ventura, the archivist can look for a dispensation for you. 
> You need to be able to provide him with the marriage where it says they were 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ancestry

[George Medeiros]

Shiri,
I am the person.George Medeiros

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 Hi1
One of you men asked me about my past ancestry and since I was quite busy 
 at the time, said I'd write it later.   Now I forgot the name of the man who 
 asked me.   Of course I thought I'd remember!   duh
They were Sephardic Jews but I cannot get them back to Spain.   I was able 
 to get to Morocco but that's as far back as I am able to get the Seriqui 
 side.  Please let me know who you are!
 Thanks!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: Paternal Lineage of George M. Medeiros Jr.

[George Medeiros]

 Subject: Fwd: Paternal Lineage of George Michael Medeiros Jr.
 
 Paternal Lineage of George Michael Medeiros Jr.
   Father: George Michael Medeiros Sr.
   Grandparents: Jose Cordeiro Medeiros  Virginia Amelia Pereira
   Great Grandparents: Francisco Medeiros  Maria de Jesus Cordeiro
   Great Grandparents :  Jose d' Araujo Pereira and Pollucina ( Pulcina) dos 
 Anjos Soares
   Great Great Grandparents: Antonio Jose d' Araujo  Victoria Thomasia de 
 Jesus
on Pereira side 
   Great Great Grandparents on Maria de Jesus Cordeiro side ???
   Great Great Grandparents on Francisco Medeiros side: ???
   Great Great Grandparents on Pollucina Soares side:
Manuel  Correia (?) Soares  Antonia Jacintha
 
 I have understanding from Baptisimal record of Virginia all Grandparents
 are from Sao Miguel Island in the Azores
   Jose Cordeiro Medeiros and Virginia Amelia Pereira came to U.S. (? date 
 not known)and were married in 1907 at Our Lady of the Holy Rosary in 
 Providence, R.I. Their son George Michael Medeiros Sr. was  born in 
 Providence, R.I. on Sept. 29, 1928 and raised in 
Newport,R.I.
 
 
The Pereira's from Candalaria Sao Miguel Azores
 The Soares from Rosario da Lagoa Sao Miguel Azores
 The Thomasia from Ginetes Sao Miguel Azores
 
 Not sure of spelling of middle name  Correia in another place it appeared 
 to me to be Garcia 
 but since John Raposo understands Portuguese I went with his middle name of 
 Correia.
 The writing source for what looked like Garcia isn't clearly written.
 I don't know where on Sao Miguel my Grandfather Jose C. Medeiros is from 
 the son of Francisco and Maria de Jesus Cordeiro.I know my Grandfather is 
 from Sao Miguel because on his marriage certificate it says he is from Sao 
 Miguel Island. He and my Grandmother Virginia Amelia Pereira were married 
 in Our Lady of the Holy Rosary Church in Providence, R.I. in 1907.I 
 gathered this information on g and  gg Grandparents from Baptismal Record 
 Cheri Mello sent to me and earlier information John Raposo sent to me. 
 Never would have believed I would ever of gotten this info. Thanks Cheri M. 
 and John R.  George

   P.S. If any of the people listed here are connected to anyone on Azores 
Google Group 
   Please share any info you might have with me or point me in the right 
direction for future 
   research. I am new at doing this. Thanks, George M.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA where do I start ?

[George Medeiros]

Cheri,
I want to ask you some questions just to make sure I understand the 
difference of what results I would get from Family Tree. If I do the Y-DNA I 
would get the Medeiros line but not the Pereira line since my surname is 
Medeiros ? If I want to get some info on my Pereira line I would take the 
Family Finder test ? If I do the  mt DNA test I would get my mother's line 
which is not Azorean 
Portuguese as far as I know ? Some of my first generation cousins, who are 
female,fathers were Portuguese not their mothers.Their fathers have passed 
away.Other female cousins have Portuguese roots through their mother. So they 
would get info on their Portuguese roots through their mother by taking the mt 
DNA test? The results would be the Pereira line not the Medeiros line ? Those 
who are Portuguese through their fathers would be helped by me getting the test 
for Y-DNA ? The information they would get through me would be the Medeiros 
line ?
Thanks for your help and I hope my questions aren't confusing. I think I know 
the answers but I wanted to make sure.
 George M. ( Pereira ) Medeiros Jr.

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On Jul 6, 2015, at 8:24 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Chris M,
 
 I have never heard of the company that you mention.
 
 If you do an Internet search on Family Tree DNA, it will come up. Or you can 
 just go to your address bar and type: www.familytreedna.com or if that's too 
 long, www.ftdna.com will redirect you to the www.familytreedna.com site.
 
 Scroll down and where it says Search for a Surname type: azores
 
 Which test depends of your goal. If you want to trace just your Silva line, 
 for example, you would need to find a male Silva relative to take a Y-DNA 
 test.
 
 If you don't really have a particular goal, you can do a broad overview on 
 ALL your lines. It goes back about 200 years from the birth of the testee. 
 This is Family Tree DNA's Family Finder test.
 
 If your father or any of his siblings are alive, test them. You want to test 
 the oldest generation. If your father nor none of his siblings are alive, 
 test yourself.
 
 Family Finder is $99 USD + $9.95 postage anywhere in the world. 
 
 Cheri Mello
 Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
 Azores DNA Project
 
 On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 5:29 AM, 'cmurray56' via Azores Genealogy 
 azores@googlegroups.com wrote:
 Hi Cheri  ,   Is the Family Tree DNA  you mention   the  'Family Search DNA? 
   Can you please tell me where to find the Family Tree DNA?  My Portuguese 
 ancestry comes from my fathers side, I am a female ,  what sort of tests 
 should I be looking at ordering please.  Our relative came from the Azores
 Best Wishes
 Chris
 
 
 On Monday, July 6, 2015 at 2:46:36 PM UTC+10, Cheri Mello wrote:
 Yes, Family Tree DNA is where most Portuguese people test. Rick was mistaken 
 when he said that there weren't quite 932 member. Maybe only 5 are overlaps. 
 There are around 930 different members.
 
 We learn to read records here:
 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/HowTo_Part_3a.html#reading
 
 And here:
 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/examples.html
 
 And here:
 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/paleography.html
 
 And here:
 http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/portuguese_word_list1.html
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA where do I start ?

[George Medeiros]

Thinking of getting my DNA done soon and am trying to decide which company to 
start with first and what test to get done first ? My Portuguese roots are 
through my paternal line. I understand that is beneficial to eventually get it 
done by all three companies but I can't do that at this time.
George( Pereira) Medeiros

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA where do I start ?

[George Medeiros]

Cheri, Thank you for the information.I can read some of the names on the right 
page which seems to be were my Grandmother and her brother Antonio are 
recorded.Cheri how are you able to read what is written ? It appears to me that 
my Grandmother's name Virginia is in the margin of the upper right page. On the 
bottom I can read Antonio Araujo Pereira which is one of her brothers name and 
are the other names written on bottom of right page other siblings ? Can anyone 
make it out ? I am tending towards Family Tree.

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 Your grandmother was born 18 June 1890 and yeah, Policena comes from a Soares 
 family. Don't know if that convinces you to test with Family Tree DNA or not.
 
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-CANDELARIA-B-1890-1899_item1/P13.html
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA where do I start ?

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Thanks for the imput. My Father was the youngest of 9.He has passed away and so 
have all his siblings.I have many cousins mainly in R.I. and Mass. area but 
also around the U.S. but mainly the east coast. I have very limited contact 
through Facebook with some of my cousins of my generation.I think in the U.S. I 
now have 5 generations of cousins.When my Grandmother passed away in 1971 I 
knew that she still had a brother in the Azores whom I presumed lived on Sao 
Miguel Island. My Great Uncle's name is Antonio Araujo Pereira. When I was a 
child my Grandmother Virginia Amelia ( Pereira) Medeiros showed me pictures of 
some of my relatives in the Azores. I recall her showing me a picture of two 
children on a bale of hay in a wagon with a man driving two Oxen sitting on a 
seat. She said these are your cousins. She would send money to someone in the 
Azores. I was close to my Grandmother but I really never thought to ask her 
much about my family on Sao Miguel.Once one of my Uncle's said to me my 
Grandmother had 18 siblings. It is hard to know what is fact and what is family 
legend. Unfortunately as a child I took much for granted and just never asked a 
lot of questions of my Father's older siblings or my Grandmother's sister whom 
I knew.My Grandmother spoke very little English to me through she understood 
English and could speak it. She preferred to speak in Portuguese and how I 
communicated with her I can't recall because I remember very little Portuguese 
even though when my relatives got together at my Grandmother's home a lot of 
Portuguese was spoken around me and my cousins. If anyone is connected to 
Antonio Araujo Pereira I would appreciate a reply. I think he lived on Sao 
Miguel Azores. My Grandmother was born in 1890 in Candalaria Sao Miguel Azores 
to Jose 'd' Araujo Pereira and Polucina dos Anjos. My Grandmother's Civil 
Registration in the Republic of Portugal was in Ponta Degada on Sept. 9, 1890. 
I have the document which my father had with his family papers.I think my Great 
Grandmother Polucina's 
family name is Soares because I have my Grandmother's prayer book in which she 
has written that her mother's name was Soares. George M. ( Pereira ) Medeiros 
Jr.

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rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote:

 George, I would agree with Cheri, We have 932 members in the Azores DNA 
 Project which in many cases represents multiple tests for many of these 
 members. With Family Tree DNA you can test Y-DNA, MtDNA, and Autosomal DNA 
 (Family Finder). Your chances of finding a DNA match for your Portuguese line 
 is greater using Family Tree than the other companies.
 
 If your Portuguese line is through your father and he is alive I would have 
 him take the tests (he can be tested on all three). The biggest question is 
 what do you want to accomplish by testing? This will determine which tests 
 you would benefit the most from.
 
 Rick
 
 Richard Francis Pimentel
 Epping, NH
 
 
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 From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 George Medeiros
 Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2015 7:52 AM
 To: Azores
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA where do I start ?
 
 Thinking of getting my DNA done soon and am trying to decide which company to 
 start with first and what test to get done first ? My Portuguese roots are 
 through my paternal line. I understand that is beneficial to eventually get 
 it done by all three companies but I can't do that at this time.
 George( Pereira) Medeiros
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA analysis of Portuguese people

[George Medeiros]

Thanks ...this is helpful in getting a better view of the complexity of one's 
possible DNA story.George

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On Jul 2, 2015, at 11:29 AM, MaryAnn Santos m...@nyu.edu wrote:

 I found this article on FB. It's very interesting. Here is the link followed 
 by a rough translation of the text
 
 MaryAnn
 
 http://www.publico.pt/diversidade/jornal/a-historia-de-portugal-contada--pelos-nossos-genes-21878549
 
 The analysis of certain portions of human DNA lets go back in time to get an 
 idea, geographic and temporal origin of the current Portuguese. By Ana 
 Gerschenfeld
 
 the genetic recipe for cooking a modern Portuguese: warm over low heat one 
 broth of DNA Celtic, Iberian and Lusitanian the early Christian era, adding 
 a pinch of Jewish genes in the Middle East during the Roman Empire. From time 
 to time, pour in the pan some Berber genes. Wait 700 years and then mix a 
 handful of genes from Arab invaders for five centuries. Already in the 
 thirteenth century greatly increase the heat and reduce the introduction of 
 Arab genes (not forgetting to continue to sprinkle the mixture over Jewish 
 genes). From the mid-fifteenth century, lower the heat and go pouring in the 
 broth a couple tablespoons of gene sub-Saharan slaves. In the early sixteenth 
 century, again increase the fire of Inquisition for two centuries, continuing 
 to add African genes to the end of the nineteenth century - and never 
 forgetting to temper periodically over some Jewish genes (now called 
 Sephardi).
 
 In broad strokes, this is the DNA manufacturing recipe of today's Portugal in 
 the light of the latest results of population genetics. It is at least a 
 possible story and was inspired by the book reading The Portuguese Genetic 
 Heritage (Gradiva, 2009), authored by researcher Luisa Pereira, Molecular 
 Pathology and Immunology Institute of the University of Porto (IPATIMUP), and 
 journalist Filipa Ribeiro .
 
 One that was clearly written in the genes of the current Portuguese was the 
 involvement of Portugal, especially among the mid-fifteenth century and the 
 late eighteenth century - and to a lesser extent by the end of the nineteenth 
 century - in the trafficking of black African slaves. The entry of slaves in 
 Portugal was one of the highest in Europe - and while the other European 
 colonial powers such as Spain, exporting slaves to their overseas colonies, 
 Portugal mattered them to the metropolis. In Portugal, write the authors of 
 the book mentioned above, the unusual percentage of slaves peaked at 10 
 percent of the population south of the country in the mid-sixteenth century.
 
 In 2005, the same team of IPATIMUP confirmed in the genes that history of 
 Portugal already had: a study published in the journal Human Biology, 
 concluded that there is now indeed a higher frequency of African lineages in 
 genetic Portuguese than in the Spanish neighbors . Basically, Portugal 
 retains most sub-Saharan lineages that Spain - [and] there is historical data 
 that Spanish trafficked slaves especially to America, tells us Luísa Pereira.
 
 Many results of genetic add up to history - which was to be expected. But 
 even then, there have been surprises. In particular, a study published in 
 2008 in the American Journal of Human Genetics by an international team of 
 scientists - among which included John Lavinha, a geneticist at the Health 
 Institute Ricardo Jorge Lisbon - showed that, on average, 35 percent of men 
 in southern Portugal and 25 percent have North Sephardic Jews genes - and 
 that men do Sul have 15 percent of North African descent and the North 10 
 percent. This means, first, that, contrary to what was thought, the 
 Portuguese Jews did not flee when they were expelled by the Inquisition. They 
 merged in the general population and mingled to surviving this way religious 
 intolerance. What about North African component, something similar may have 
 happened, although to a lesser extent, contrary to tell us the history books. 
 The genes of today's Portuguese witness what really happened.
 
 Mitochondria, Y and Cª
 
 Today, modern genetics provides clues to follow the trail to the wanderings 
 of the human species - and in particular Portuguese - from its beginnings.
 
 After all, each of the cells of our body guard, in your DNA, the history of 
 the generations that preceded us. The gaps are still large, but advances in 
 DNA sequencing techniques have allowed obtaining results that respond to many 
 questions.
 
 Genetic studies of human populations migration of accumulated mainly by two 
 specific mutations in the human gene bits: the mitochondrial DNA and 
 chromosome Y. The first is a small ring of DNA that lies within structures 
 called mitochondria, which are batteries cells. As for the Y chromosome, it 
 determines the male gender (women are XX and XY males).
 
 Both of these types of DNA are used to study the genetic characteristics of 
 the population, because 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Exposto Search and Surname

[George Medeiros]

What is an Exposto ?

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On Jul 1, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Ângela Loura angelalo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have an ancestor who was an Exposto, born in 1804. His baptism record 
 refers his godfather, as well as the names of the parents who raised him. As 
 to dates it only says that he was exposto the night before the baptism. I 
 was lucky to confirm he was the guy i was looking for because he married his 
 parents daughter... :)
 
 2015-07-01 20:07 GMT+01:00 luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com:
 There seem to be certain churches that are a center of Exposto baptisms ( 
 Lomba, Flores in my records) and that they tend to do large batches of them. 
 
 In a Luz,  Graciosa book, there were almost 60 in a row, with ages from a 
 week to 4 years old. 
 
 Sometimes the parent  who is raising them is named in the document, but often 
 not. In the case the parents are named, often padrinhos are named too. That 
 could track the correct Alexandre from it's use on his marriage record.
 
 Naming is likely the priest's choice
 
 Eric 
 
 On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 10:46 AM, lmy...@hughes.net lmy...@hughes.net wrote:
 I don't recall this being discussed before. My ancestor Alexandre Martins was 
 an exposto. I have his marriage record and the baptismo record of his spouse. 
 The marriage record indicates he was baptized at Se Cathedral in Angra, but 
 no indication as to when or his age. I've been going through exposto baptisms 
 for the period 1808 to 1817 at Se Cathedral. I admit the dates are arbitrary 
 - I used his wife's baptism date (1817). There are only eight possibilities. 
 Fortunately Alexandre is not that common of a name. Is there a way I can 
 ascertain which one is mine? Does it have anything to do with the names in 
 the side notes or godparents? Also, how does an exposto get a surname? I'd 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: [PSC-l] FWD: LUSUS Special Edition: PALCUS Co-Hosts the Third Meeting of Portuguese-American Elected Officials

[George Medeiros]

Thank You for the information. George M. ( Pereira ) Medeiros

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 Congressman Devin Nunes (Co-chair of the Portuguese American Caucus)
 Councilman Steve Nascimento, City of Turlock
 Mayor Fernando Dutra, City of Whittier
  
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 State Representative Jesse MacLachlan
 Mayor Manuel dos Santos, City of Meriden 
  
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 Senator Edward Markey (Member of Friends of Portugal)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Information Portals Arizona State Library

[George Medeiros]

Cheri, 
   I haven't used this site yet but thought it might be useful for those who  
may be looking for  relatives from the Azores who may have come to the U.S. in 
the Colonial Age. In some of the 
reading I have done in the past some Portuguese lived in predominately Spanish 
Colonies.
I am not sure how helpful the Arizona site would be to Azorean research but as 
I explore it I will share any information I think might be helpful. George

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 HI George M,
 
 Can you say something about these URLs that you are posting? I took a look at 
 the one for the Arizona State Library and I'm not seeing anything real useful 
 for Azorean research. Maybe you could add a few lines to your postings and 
 tell us what gems you are finding there.
 
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Information Portals Arizona State Library

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http://www.azlibrary.gov/sla/genealogy-and-family-history/genealogy-information-portals


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[AZORES-Genealogy] There are Portuguese Surnames on the listing of early arrivals to New Spain in Mexico

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http://garyfelix.tripod.com/index16.htm


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gerald Jerry Souza Robert A. Souza

[George Medeiros]

I wasn't criticizing your spelling.I was just asking if it was a different 
spelling of the surname Medeiros with possibly
common ancestors. 

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On Jun 15, 2015, at 10:16 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci rcap...@gmail.com wrote:

 George,sorry on the spelling. I knew that she spelled it differently and was 
 not careful when I wrote. She spells it MEDEARIS. So I'm really not sure if 
 she is Portuguese or not. It is her husband, Robert Souza that I am connected 
 to so not sure about her ethnicity. 
 
 
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 On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:58 PM, George Medeiros migueldeav...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Rosemarie,
  I don't have any info but I was wondering if Lisa Madeiras Souza middle 
 name may have been
 spelled Medeiros or if that is a variant of the surname ? When one 
 pronounces Medeiros like an English speaking person would sound more like 
 Madeiras. George Medeiros
 
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 Hi All 
 Just putting out this info on the off-chance that someone knows this 
 family. 
 My granddad's brother, Joseph Souza had a son George, born 1916. George 
 Souza had two sons--Gerald Jerry and Robert Allen Souza. Jerry lives in 
 the Sacramento area and has sons Stephen, Brian and Daniel. Robert A. Souza 
 died in 2012 in Lemoor CA and his wife is listed as Lisa Madeires Souza 
 with daughter Allison Hernandez of Clovis CA. 
 We have been trying to find this family for years as Uncle Joseph and his 
 wife Mildred were divorced and  George lived with his mother (who later 
 married Joseph Cabral). If this family sounds familier to anyone please 
 contact me at my email addy at the bottom of this message. 
 Thanks to anyone who may be able to help! 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gerald Jerry Souza Robert A. Souza

[George Medeiros]

Thanks for sharing.I have some similar 
stories with name changes and mispellings.George

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 George,
 
 Just chiming in here if that's okay. My grandmothers family are all Medeiros 
 except those who came west to CA where the name turned into Madeiros. One 
 story I heard was about a family argument and the change in spelling was to 
 separate from the other side on the East Coast. Other, younger, family 
 members have poo poo'd that story. So, regardless of how or why the spelling 
 error came about, the East Coast Medeiros and the West Coast Madeiros are 
 still one family. 
 And, now are primarily here in Northern CA getting along fine. 
 
 The story I told is mainly to show you that there can be many reasons why 
 names change in spelling. Another example is my grandfather's case he used 
 Marshall on his first marriage license because his bride's family did not 
 approve of an Irish woman marrying a Portuguese man. I'll skip the word they 
 used to describe all Portuguese people. The change name seemed to have 
 lessened some of the shame her family felt. His second wife was Portuguese 
 and felt no racial animosity towards her own kind. That meant my grandfather 
 could go back to his true surname Machado.  Since both marriages produced 
 children from the same father, you might expect them to have the same 
 surname. They did and the didn't. Two children were raised with the Marshall 
 name while the third child,from the second marriage, received the Machado 
 name. The first was considered an anglized version of Machado.  A lesson some 
 of us researchers have had to learn, is to include variant spellings (for 
 reasons of illiteracy and foreigners misunderstanding what another is saying) 
 in our searches but also look for anglized versions. 
 
 Moral of the day: Go with the flow and consider all options, leave judgments 
 back at the bus station. 
 
 A bit longer answer than you may have expected or wanted, but I hope it had 
 some meritorious value.
 
 Gayle
 
 On Jun 15, 2015, at 1:58 PM, George Medeiros migueldeav...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Rosemarie,
  I don't have any info but I was wondering if Lisa Madeiras Souza middle 
 name may have been
 spelled Medeiros or if that is a variant of the surname ? When one 
 pronounces Medeiros like an English speaking person would sound more like 
 Madeiras. George Medeiros
 
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 Hi All 
 Just putting out this info on the off-chance that someone knows this 
 family. 
 My granddad's brother, Joseph Souza had a son George, born 1916. George 
 Souza had two sons--Gerald Jerry and Robert Allen Souza. Jerry lives in 
 the Sacramento area and has sons Stephen, Brian and Daniel. Robert A. Souza 
 died in 2012 in Lemoor CA and his wife is listed as Lisa Madeires Souza 
 with daughter Allison Hernandez of Clovis CA. 
 We have been trying to find this family for years as Uncle Joseph and his 
 wife Mildred were divorced and  George lived with his mother (who later 
 married Joseph Cabral). If this family sounds familier to anyone please 
 contact me at my email addy at the bottom of this message. 
 Thanks to anyone who may be able to help! 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gerald Jerry Souza Robert A. Souza

[George Medeiros]

Rosemarie,
 I don't have any info but I was wondering if Lisa Madeiras Souza middle 
name may have been
spelled Medeiros or if that is a variant of the surname ? When one pronounces 
Medeiros like an English speaking person would sound more like Madeiras. George 
Medeiros

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 Hi All 
 Just putting out this info on the off-chance that someone knows this family. 
 My granddad's brother, Joseph Souza had a son George, born 1916. George Souza 
 had two sons--Gerald Jerry and Robert Allen Souza. Jerry lives in the 
 Sacramento area and has sons Stephen, Brian and Daniel. Robert A. Souza died 
 in 2012 in Lemoor CA and his wife is listed as Lisa Madeires Souza with 
 daughter Allison Hernandez of Clovis CA. 
 We have been trying to find this family for years as Uncle Joseph and his 
 wife Mildred were divorced and  George lived with his mother (who later 
 married Joseph Cabral). If this family sounds familier to anyone please 
 contact me at my email addy at the bottom of this message. 
 Thanks to anyone who may be able to help! 
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Google translation of article in Portuguese on the history of surname Medeiros

[George Medeiros]

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[AZORES-Genealogy] First person known to have surname Medeiros was Rui Goncalves de Medeiros who lived in Evora, Portugal. He was Commander in Chief of Evora. The Medeiros Family seems to be a pla

[George Medeiros]

First person known to have surname  Medeiros  was Rui Goncalves de 
Medeiros who lived in Evora, Portugal. He was Commander in Chief of Evora. The 
Medeiros Family seems to be a place of de Medeiros in the Parish of Vila Cha in 
the municipality of Montalegre, in the Vila Real District in the Province of 
Tras-os-Montes.The crater is 5km from the county seat and  is 16 km from the 
border with Spain on the edge of the Barroso Mountains.
   These places are included in the Parish of Vila Cha :
   1. Castanheira
  2. Firvidas
  3. Gralhos
  4. Medeiros
  5. Peirezes
  6. Penedones
  7. Sao Vicente
  8. Travarsos Tea
  9. Trogueda

In the 15th century one branch of the Medeiros family leaving Ponte de 
Lima set up 
in the Algarve and another branch went to the island of Sao Miguel in the 
Azores.In 1420-1450 James Guill list several family heads in the Madeira 
archipelago.One person mentioned is Rui Vaz de Medeiros a native of Ponte de 
Lima in the Guimarae's region who was a contemporary of  Goncalves de Medeiros. 
In 1474 Rui  Vaz went to Madeira during the first colonization of the island. 
He married D. Ana ( or Mecia) Mendonca Goncalves who was the daughter of Jorge 
de Mendonca .This couple moved with their family to Sao Miguel,Azores and had  
a lot land at the end of Lagoa.They arrived in Sao Miguel with 3rd Captain Don 
Rui Goncalves of Camara.
   Rui Vaz de Medeiros and D. Ana Goncalves children were:
  1. Vasco de Medeiros ( Rui Vaz)
  2.Rafael de Medeiros
  3. Joao Vaz de Medeiros
  4. Jordan Vaz de Medeiros
  5. White Days Medeiros
  6. Guiomar Ruiz de Medeiros
  7. Maria de Medeiros
 
Rui Vaz de Medeiros known as Vasco de Medeiros settled in the town of Lagoa or 
in Alagoa Village on Sao Miguel ,Azores. He was married to Catherine Bridge the 
daughter of Fernando Rodrigues a noble of Lagoa. Many Azoreans with the 
Medeiros surname are descendents of this Vasco de Medeiros.

Vasco's siblings :
1. Rafael married the daughter of Antonio Roiz Carneiro the 
Governor
 of  Santa Maria Island.
2. Joao married  Isabel Frias
3. Jordan married Vila Franca the daughter of Francisco Afonso 
de Paiva
4. White married Diogo Afonso da Costa Cogombreiro
5. Guiomar married Anes Lope de Araujo
 6. Maria de Medeiros ( was married 3 times )
 
Doing some research I found this information in Portuguese. I tried to write it 
more clearly for myself. Does anyone in the group have more accurate 
information on this history of the Medeiros surname or any corrections for me 
on what I have written here as to accuracy ?
George M. ( Pereira ) Medeiros Jr.


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[AZORES-Genealogy] List of William Pereira Buildings

[George Medeiros]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_William_Pereira_buildings


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[AZORES-Genealogy] William Pereira and Hal Pereira( Hollywood Films )

[George Medeiros]

http://www.amazon.com/William-Pereira-Julius-Shulman/dp/1890449202/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1432736866sr=1-1keywords=WIlliam+Pereira

The Pereira Brothers were born in Chicago and had tremendous influence in 
California. They are the sons of Portuguese Immigrants. Here is a book about 
the tremendous influence William had on California Architecture. 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Pico Mountain Observatory Azores

[George Medeiros]

http://instaar.colorado.edu/pico/


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese American Journal

[George Medeiros]

http://portuguese-american-journal.com/first-doctors-graduate-from-the-university-of-the-azores/


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[AZORES-Genealogy] you tube videos on Festas

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?autoplay=1v=u-akdkVCtzw


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] trans help

[George Medeiros]

Thanks for the information in regards to this because I was not aware of this 
practice. George

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On May 15, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Isabella Baltar myportuguese...@gmail.com wrote:

 George,
 
 It was not a tax, it was a way priests found to collect money from the 
 local people.  It was a practice characterized as a voluntary contribution, 
 but many times it became involuntary. In distant parishes, especially in the 
 colonies, priest's income was too low to cover his basic daily life and this 
 was a way they found to add more money to his living. 
 
 Unfortunately, many of these priests acted in abusive ways regarding 
 financial resources and their life style, including concubinage. Also, in the 
 colonies, not all the priests had a proper ecclesiastical education, which 
 lead to this type of behavior and against the all the Canonic Law, precepts 
 on how to be a good priest, established by the Council of Trent, in the 
 middle of the 1500's. The Roman Catholic Church tried to regulate this 
 situation several times.
 
 Isabella Baltar
 myportuguesegen.blogspot.com 
 
 On Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 11:09:03 PM UTC-4, migueldeavery wrote:
 Where did you get this information that a tax was paid by a person receiving 
 the Sacrament of Confession in the 19th century ? George
 
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 On May 13, 2015, at 4:43 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No problem.
 
 There was a tax that the Priests collected for each confession.  It means 
 that they met their confession obligation and also paid the tax.  In the 
 year 1830 it cost $80 Reis for each which used to be collected after each 
 confession.
 
 The Catholic Church has a mandatory obligation of confession of at least one 
 time each year in the period of the 40 days of Lent.
 
 Hope this helps
 
 
 On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 2:34 AM, Liz Migliori lizm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thank u
 What does dis obligated mean
 
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 On May 12, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Father Matheus (Mateus) Silveira, deceased. 
 Her mother is Ana Maria.  
 Lent of 1836 the groom was dis-obligated with the bride being dis-obligated 
 in the current year
 
 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Elizabeth Migliori lizm...@gmail.com 
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 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P65.html
 
 Need help with this one.  Looks like father is Matheus Silveira???and he is 
 deceased wife is Rita Maria.
 Rita Maria daughter of Jose Garcia Deceased can't make out her mother
 Then what does it say about 1836?
 upper right hand side.
 
 Liz
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