Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Úrsula Leite - Nordeste

[George Sousa]

Thank you JR! This is the first time I've seen the surnames Albernas and
Quintanilha.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 12:53 AM JR  wrote:

>  "Em os vinte e seis dias do mes de dezembro deste  anno de mil e seis
> sentos e outenta e outo Baptizou o pedro furtado Leite beneficiado Em esta
> Matriz de Sao Jorge a huma menina a que foi posto nome urcela f.a. de Joam
> Leite e de Izabel Figueira foram padrinhos *francisco de Albernas da
> Costa e sua molher Maria de Torres Quintanilha*..."
>
> On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 9:11:21 PM UTC-4, George Sousa wrote:
>>
>> Thanks everyone for your help. Based on you corrections here is what I
>> think it says...
>>
>> "Em os vinte e seis dias do mes de dezembro deste  anno de mil e seis
>> sentos e outenta e outo Baptizou o pedro furtado Leite beneficiado Em esta
>> Matriz de Sao Jorge a sua menina a que foi posto nome urcela f.a. de Joam
>> Leite e de Izabel Figueira foram padrinhos francisco de ? da Costa e sua
>> molher Maria de torres..."
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 8:52 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
>>
>>> I believe Cheri has it all correct.  Pedro Furtado Leite is the priest.
>>> It says his is beneficiado? em esta (same as nesta?) Matriz.  I believe a
>>> beneficiado is a position in the clergy.  On the top left record on this
>>> image it has the same format except the clergy member is Cura Manuel Lopes
>>> da Costa.  I'm not sure of the three letters after baptizou.  My guess is o
>>> P.e for o Padre.
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 4:47:37 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes on the date. I don't know who is Pedro Furtado Leite. The priest?
>>>> Yes on the parents. I think the godfather is Francisco Alvernaz da Costa.
>>>> You got the godmother right. Let's see what others have to say.
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 4:26 PM George Sousa 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I could use some help trying to figure out what is going on with this
>>>>> baptismal record
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1675-1706/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1675-1706_item1/P51.html
>>>>> (fourth entry on the right).
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is what I have so far...
>>>>> "Urcela (Úrsula)
>>>>>
>>>>> Em os vinte e seis dias do mes de dezembro deste  anno de mil e seis
>>>>> sentos e outenta e outo Baptizou o pedro? furtado Leite Con?ficiado Em 
>>>>> esta
>>>>> Matrix de Sao Jorge a sua ? a que foi ? ? ? Joam Leite e de Izabel 
>>>>> Figueira
>>>>> foram padrinhos francisco de ? da Costa e sua molher Maria de torres ?..."
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe this is the baptismal record of Úrsula Leite (my wife's 7x
>>>>> great grandmother). Úrsula married Amaro Pimentel (or Amaro da Costa) on
>>>>> November 20th 1715 in Nordeste. In the marriage record Úrsula's parents 
>>>>> are
>>>>> listed as Joao Leite and Isabel Figueira.
>>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Úrsula Leite - Nordeste

[George Sousa]

Thanks everyone for your help. Based on you corrections here is what I
think it says...

"Em os vinte e seis dias do mes de dezembro deste  anno de mil e seis
sentos e outenta e outo Baptizou o pedro furtado Leite beneficiado Em esta
Matriz de Sao Jorge a sua menina a que foi posto nome urcela f.a. de Joam
Leite e de Izabel Figueira foram padrinhos francisco de ? da Costa e sua
molher Maria de torres..."

On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 8:52 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:

> I believe Cheri has it all correct.  Pedro Furtado Leite is the priest.
> It says his is beneficiado? em esta (same as nesta?) Matriz.  I believe a
> beneficiado is a position in the clergy.  On the top left record on this
> image it has the same format except the clergy member is Cura Manuel Lopes
> da Costa.  I'm not sure of the three letters after baptizou.  My guess is o
> P.e for o Padre.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Sunday, September 1, 2019 at 4:47:37 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Yes on the date. I don't know who is Pedro Furtado Leite. The priest? Yes
>> on the parents. I think the godfather is Francisco Alvernaz da Costa. You
>> got the godmother right. Let's see what others have to say.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 1, 2019 at 4:26 PM George Sousa  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I could use some help trying to figure out what is going on with this
>>> baptismal record
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1675-1706/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1675-1706_item1/P51.html
>>> (fourth entry on the right).
>>>
>>> Here is what I have so far...
>>> "Urcela (Úrsula)
>>>
>>> Em os vinte e seis dias do mes de dezembro deste  anno de mil e seis
>>> sentos e outenta e outo Baptizou o pedro? furtado Leite Con?ficiado Em esta
>>> Matrix de Sao Jorge a sua ? a que foi ? ? ? Joam Leite e de Izabel Figueira
>>> foram padrinhos francisco de ? da Costa e sua molher Maria de torres ?..."
>>>
>>> I believe this is the baptismal record of Úrsula Leite (my wife's 7x
>>> great grandmother). Úrsula married Amaro Pimentel (or Amaro da Costa) on
>>> November 20th 1715 in Nordeste. In the marriage record Úrsula's parents are
>>> listed as Joao Leite and Isabel Figueira.
>>>
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Úrsula Leite - Nordeste

[George Sousa]

Hi all,
I could use some help trying to figure out what is going on with this
baptismal record
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1675-1706/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1675-1706_item1/P51.html
(fourth entry on the right).

Here is what I have so far...
"Urcela (Úrsula)

Em os vinte e seis dias do mes de dezembro deste  anno de mil e seis sentos
e outenta e outo Baptizou o pedro? furtado Leite Con?ficiado Em esta Matrix
de Sao Jorge a sua ? a que foi ? ? ? Joam Leite e de Izabel Figueira foram
padrinhos francisco de ? da Costa e sua molher Maria de torres ?..."

I believe this is the baptismal record of Úrsula Leite (my wife's 7x great
grandmother). Úrsula married Amaro Pimentel (or Amaro da Costa) on November
20th 1715 in Nordeste. In the marriage record Úrsula's parents are listed
as Joao Leite and Isabel Figueira.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Margarida Resendes and Félix de Resendes Carvalho , Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

[George Sousa]

For the benefit of future researchers of this couple I'd like to summarize
what I've uncovered and clear the confusion that I may have introduded.
Special thanks to Tish and Cheri.

Félix de Resendes (aka Félix de Resendes Carvalho) married Margarida
Resendes on May 15, 1731 in Santo Espirito, Santa Maria (
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751_item1/P4.html
)

Félix de Resendes (Groom)

   - Died Apr 23 1766 at the age of 65 (more or less) in Santo Espirito,
   Santa Maria (
   
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1759-1793/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1759-1793_item1/P27.html
   )


   - Born approximately 1701 and I'm still looking for his baptismal
   record.  Félix de Resendes had at least one sister named Margarida.
   Margarida was born on August 8, 1708 in Santo Espirito, Santa Maria (
   
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1700-1710/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1700-1710_item1/P74.html
   ).

Margarida Resendes (Bride)

   - Died June 19 1776 in Santo Espirito, Santa Maria (
   
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1759-1793/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1759-1793_item1/P75.html
   )
   - Born July 20 1712 in Santo Espirito (
   
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720_item1/P20.html).
   In this baptismal record Margarida's father is listed as Sebastião de
   Fontes Chaves. Elswhere he goes by Matias de Fonte Chaves.

Hopefully this is helpfull to those of you who have this couple in your
family tree.

George


On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 5:41 PM Tish M  wrote:

> I assume you mean Fellis Cravalho de Resendes. I have to look more
> closely, but I don't think I have her birth record.
>
> On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 12:51 PM George Sousa 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tish,
>> I agree it is a bit confusing. Have you been able to find the baptismal
>> record for Margarida de Resendes?
>>
>> George
>>
>> P.S. I'm a direct descendant of their daughter Antónia Margarida de
>> Resendes.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 2:01 PM Tish M  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi George,
>>> I find your train of thought very confusing. I too, have Felis de
>>> Resendes Carvalho de Resendes and Margarida de Resendes in my family tree.
>>> Their son, Jose Francisco Resendes de Chaves, is part of my tree.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 9:34 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>>
>>>> She dies at "70 years more or less." (Except he wrote less or more).
>>>> They can be off 10 or more years in their "more or less" guesstimate.
>>>>
>>>> When building a pedigree only tree (or what's called a Quick and Dirty
>>>> tree), you'll find that it doesn't work all that well, due to everyone
>>>> having the same name. The only way to figure out your Margarida from the
>>>> other Margarida is to collect ALL the kids of Manuel de Sousa de Matos and
>>>> Margarida de Resendes and ALL the kids of Matias de Fonte Chaves and Ana de
>>>> Resende. Only then your answer will become more apparent.
>>>> Good luck,
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 7:19 AM George Sousa 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Margarida Resendes and Félix de Resendes Carvalho  are my 6X great
>>>>> grandparents. They were married on May 15, 1731 in Santo Espirito, Santa
>>>>> Maria (
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751_item1/P4.html).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> According to this record:
>>>>>
>>>>> The groom’s parents are Manuel de Sousa de Matos and Margarida de
>>>>> Resendes.
>>>>> The bride’s parents are Matias de Fonte Chaves and Ana de Resendes.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I can tell this is consistent with RR’s work (Cap.º 34.º §
>>>>> Primeiro, N.º 7).
>>>>>
>>>>> However I’m wondering if the priest reversed the names of the parents
>>>>> of the bride and the groom.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is why this may be a possibility. On August 8th 1708 Manuel de
>>>>> Sousa Matos and Margarida de Resends baptize a daughter with the name of
>>>>&

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Margarida Resendes and Félix de Resendes Carvalho , Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

[George Sousa]

Hi Tish,
I agree it is a bit confusing. Have you been able to find the baptismal
record for Margarida de Resendes?

George

P.S. I'm a direct descendant of their daughter Antónia Margarida de
Resendes.


On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 2:01 PM Tish M  wrote:

> Hi George,
> I find your train of thought very confusing. I too, have Felis de Resendes
> Carvalho de Resendes and Margarida de Resendes in my family tree. Their
> son, Jose Francisco Resendes de Chaves, is part of my tree.
>
> On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 9:34 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> She dies at "70 years more or less." (Except he wrote less or more). They
>> can be off 10 or more years in their "more or less" guesstimate.
>>
>> When building a pedigree only tree (or what's called a Quick and Dirty
>> tree), you'll find that it doesn't work all that well, due to everyone
>> having the same name. The only way to figure out your Margarida from the
>> other Margarida is to collect ALL the kids of Manuel de Sousa de Matos and
>> Margarida de Resendes and ALL the kids of Matias de Fonte Chaves and Ana de
>> Resende. Only then your answer will become more apparent.
>> Good luck,
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 7:19 AM George Sousa 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Margarida Resendes and Félix de Resendes Carvalho  are my 6X great
>>> grandparents. They were married on May 15, 1731 in Santo Espirito, Santa
>>> Maria (
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751_item1/P4.html).
>>>
>>>
>>> According to this record:
>>>
>>> The groom’s parents are Manuel de Sousa de Matos and Margarida de
>>> Resendes.
>>> The bride’s parents are Matias de Fonte Chaves and Ana de Resendes.
>>>
>>> As far as I can tell this is consistent with RR’s work (Cap.º 34.º §
>>> Primeiro, N.º 7).
>>>
>>> However I’m wondering if the priest reversed the names of the parents of
>>> the bride and the groom.
>>>
>>> Here is why this may be a possibility. On August 8th 1708 Manuel de
>>> Sousa Matos and Margarida de Resends baptize a daughter with the name of
>>> Margrida (
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1700-1710/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1700-1710_item1/P74.html).
>>> Is this "Margarida" Félix de Resendes Carvalho’s sister or wife?
>>>
>>> With so many Margarida’s in the mix it’s a possibility. If so then RR’s
>>> work is wrong. It’s also a possibility that Félix de Resendes Carvalho
>>> married a woman with the same name as his sister. For now I’m going with
>>> this. Some of you have attributed this baptismal record to the bride and
>>> you may want to revisit this. If this is a confusing to you as it is to me
>>> send me an email and I’ll give you what I got.
>>>
>>> If you want more continue reading…
>>>
>>> On June 19, 1766 Margarida de Resendes (widow of Félix de Resendes) dies
>>> at the age of “setenta… or at least that’s my read). See
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1759-1793/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1759-1793_item1/P75.html.
>>> If so, Margarida (the bride), would have been born around 1696 (not August
>>> 8, 1708). If so then my speculation that the priest reversed the names in
>>> the marriage record is probably wrong.
>>>
>>> I’m posting in part because some of you have this couple in your
>>> MyHeritage database and some have recorded August 8, 1708 as the birth date
>>> of Margarida the bride. This may be right but it may the birthdate of the
>>> bride’s sister-in-law (also Margarida).
>>>
>>>
>>> George
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Margarida Resendes and Félix de Resendes Carvalho , Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

[George Sousa]

Margarida Resendes and Félix de Resendes Carvalho  are my 6X great
grandparents. They were married on May 15, 1731 in Santo Espirito, Santa
Maria (
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751_item1/P4.html).


According to this record:

The groom’s parents are Manuel de Sousa de Matos and Margarida de Resendes.
The bride’s parents are Matias de Fonte Chaves and Ana de Resendes.

As far as I can tell this is consistent with RR’s work (Cap.º 34.º §
Primeiro, N.º 7).

However I’m wondering if the priest reversed the names of the parents of
the bride and the groom.

Here is why this may be a possibility. On August 8th 1708 Manuel de Sousa
Matos and Margarida de Resends baptize a daughter with the name of Margrida
(
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1700-1710/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1700-1710_item1/P74.html).
Is this "Margarida" Félix de Resendes Carvalho’s sister or wife?

With so many Margarida’s in the mix it’s a possibility. If so then RR’s
work is wrong. It’s also a possibility that Félix de Resendes Carvalho
married a woman with the same name as his sister. For now I’m going with
this. Some of you have attributed this baptismal record to the bride and
you may want to revisit this. If this is a confusing to you as it is to me
send me an email and I’ll give you what I got.

If you want more continue reading…

On June 19, 1766 Margarida de Resendes (widow of Félix de Resendes) dies at
the age of “setenta… or at least that’s my read). See
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1759-1793/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1759-1793_item1/P75.html.
If so, Margarida (the bride), would have been born around 1696 (not August
8, 1708). If so then my speculation that the priest reversed the names in
the marriage record is probably wrong.

I’m posting in part because some of you have this couple in your MyHeritage
database and some have recorded August 8, 1708 as the birth date of
Margarida the bride. This may be right but it may the birthdate of the
bride’s sister-in-law (also Margarida).


George

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[AZORES-Genealogy] I would appreciate a second set of eyes (Santo Espirito, Santa Maria)

[George Sousa]

I would appreciate a second set of eyes on the entry on the left..

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751_item1/P31.html

I think it says in part

"Aos vinte e sinco dias do mes de Abril de mil e sete centos e trinta e
houto annos,,,
...prezente in facie eclezia Cosme da Lus filho de Francisco Lopes ja
defunto e de Christina da Lus sua mulher naturais e freguezes da Matrix da
villa do porto? e Marianna da Conceipsan filha de Joam Cabral e de sua
mulher Esperanca da fontes todos naturaus e freguezes desta freguezia..."

or put another way...

Date: April 25, 1738
Groom: Cosme da Luz (Vila do Porto)
Bride: Mariana da Conceição (Santo Espirito)
Groom's parents: Francisco Lopes (already deceased) and Christina da Luz
(both from Vila do Porto)
Bride's parents: João Cabral and Esperança da Fontes (both from Santo
Espirito)

Thanks for your help,
George

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obit - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

[George Sousa]

Thank you Sandra, Margaret and George...

On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 10:32 PM, George Pacheco <bretanha1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Em os vinte e set dias do mes de Fevereiro de mil outo centos I trinta
> anos faleceu da vid presente sem ter tido os Sacramentos  por cair no Pico
> do castelo e de idade de Cincoenta e tres anos pouco mais ou menos, Maria
> Francisca casada qu foi com Jose Luis moradores na calheta termo dsta
> Paroquial de Nossa Senhora da Purificação lugar de Santo Espirito desta
> ilha de Santa Maria não fez testament foi mortalhada pelos Padres de Sao
> Francisco acompanhada de casa a esta Paroquial aonde foi sepultada em
> sepulture de Fabrica em 28 dias do ditto mes e ano.
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> George and Sandra,
>>
>>  - idade de Sincoenta tres (53)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 2, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Sandra Perez <perezsandra...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> George,
>>
>> 63.this is a hard one.  Definitely see a "3"
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:50 PM, George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Page on the right... at the top
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>>> SANTOESPIRITO-O-1820-1835/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1820-1835_i
>>> tem1/P69.html
>>>
>>> Can anyone make out the age of the deceased?
>>>
>>> I have... "Em os vinte e sete dias do mes de Feveriro de mil oito centos
>>> e trinta annos faleceu da vida prezente sem ter recebido os Divinos
>>> Sacramentos por cahir? no
>>> Pico do Castello e de idade de ?sincoenta? tres annos pello mais ou
>>> menos Maria Francisca cazada ? com Francisco Joze da Luz moradores na
>>> Calheta"
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> George
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Obit - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

[George Sousa]

Page on the right... at the top
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1820-1835/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1820-1835_item1/P69.html

Can anyone make out the age of the deceased?

I have... "Em os vinte e sete dias do mes de Feveriro de mil oito centos e
trinta annos faleceu da vida prezente sem ter recebido os Divinos
Sacramentos por cahir? no
Pico do Castello e de idade de ?sincoenta? tres annos pello mais ou menos
Maria Francisca cazada ? com Francisco Joze da Luz moradores na Calheta"

Thanks in advance,
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Boston Churches

[George Sousa]

Good eye Cheri... except this is one where family history fills in a couple
of gaps.

The bride that I'm looking for (who is the child in the baptismal record...
Maria) is indeed the daughter of Antonio Andrade Chaves (my great
grandfather) and of Maria Jacintha d'Chaves. Although the father is not
named in the baptismal record, Antonio Andrade Chaves would later legally
register this child as his daughter. In terms of the last name "Rosa"...
this one baffles me a bit... however Maria Jacintha d'Chaves' sister, Anna
Jacintha de Chaves, would also give birth to an illegitimate child and her
child's name as an adult is Antonio Chaves Rosa (and his father's last name
was Moura). I believe "Rosa" was a family nickname. These ladies had a
grandmother by the name of Rosa (who as it turns out had their mother out
of wedlock as well). It's entirely possible that this family nickname came
from this grandmother named Rosa. Clearly where the nickname comes from is
pure speculation on my part... however I'm very confident that "Rosa" is a
nickname and that somehow this nickname became a legal last name.

On a slight tangent... what's with all the children being born out of
wedlock ;)



On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

> George,
>
> No, wrong record you found on FamilySearch. That one says the bride is the
> daughter of Antonio A. (Chaves?) and Maria Rosa. Your baptism says that
> your Maria is the natural daughter of Maria Jacintha d'Chaves. With no
> father. Keep on looking! Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 7:46 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> *Marriages were required to be registered during that time.  The
>> Massachusetts State Archives has a site where you can search an index and
>> then order a copy of the record. You are in luck 1910 is the last year that
>> is on line. You can go to the site here:
>> http://www.sec.state.ma.us/vitalrecordssearch/VitalRecordsSearch.aspx
>> <http://www.sec.state.ma.us/vitalrecordssearch/VitalRecordsSearch.aspx> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *I did a search and this is what I found.*
>>
>> de Sousa
>>
>> Antonio
>>
>> Hudson
>>
>> 1910
>>
>> 595
>>
>> 485
>>
>> Marriage
>>
>> de Sousa
>>
>> Antonio J.
>>
>> Taunton
>>
>> 1910
>>
>> 594
>>
>> 359
>>
>> Marriage
>>
>> de Sousa
>>
>> Antonio M.
>>
>> Lowell
>>
>> 1910
>>
>> 595
>>
>> 541
>>
>> Marriage
>>
>> Sousa
>>
>> Antonio J.
>>
>> Taunton
>>
>> 1910
>>
>> 594
>>
>> 359
>>
>> Marriage
>>
>> Sousa
>>
>> Antonio Vincent
>>
>> Seekonk
>>
>> 1910
>>
>> 594
>>
>> 353
>>
>> Marriage
>>
>>
>>
>> Silva
>>
>> Maria Alzira
>>
>> Taunton
>>
>> 1910
>>
>> 594
>>
>> 379
>>
>> Marriage
>>
>> Silva
>>
>> Maria Lexandrinha
>>
>> Taunton
>>
>> 1910
>>
>> 594
>>
>> 369
>>
>> Marriage
>>
>> Vieira
>>
>> Maria J.
>>
>> Taunton
>>
>> 1910
>>
>> 594
>>
>> 359
>>
>> Marriage
>>
>> Vital
>>
>> Maria da G.
>>
>> Taunton
>>
>> 1910
>>
>> 594
>>
>> 377
>>
>> Marriage
>>
>> Vital
>>
>> Maria da Luz
>>
>> Taunton
>>
>> 1910
>>
>> 594
>>
>> 367
>>
>> Marriage
>>
>> Vitorina
>>
>> Maria Aurora
>>
>> Taunton
>>
>> 1910
>>
>> 594
>>
>> 360
>>
>> Marriage
>>
>> Vleira
>>
>> Maria
>>
>>
>>
>> *The name that matches is Maria J. Vieira. It makes sense to me that the
>> marriage was registered in Taunton.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *I have ordered records from the archives before and they will take a
>> check and are very prompt in getting the record to you. Good Luck*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Rick*
>>
>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>
>> *Epping, NH*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Boston Churches

[George Sousa]

Thank you Joanne!

This is a bit off topic for this group but does anyone know if it was a
requirement to register the marriage with the local town. I believe the
couple referenced in the side not of this baptismal record is also the same
couple listed in record 5 of
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-63P9-9WD?mode=g=1469062.

Am I on the right track?




On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 8:46 AM, Joanne Mercier <musicmavene...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> The church in Boston, or more precisely West Roxbury, is St. Teresa of
> Avila and would have been a parish in 1910. There is no St. Thomas so it
> looks like Maria & Antonio were married there. The Archdiocese and the New
> England Historical Genealogical Society are digitally scanning all the
> record books and will be posting them at AmericanAncestors.com as they
> become available. Not sure if they will be get as far as 1910 but keep an
> eye out for it. These files can be seen through the free guest membership.
> Good luck!
>
>
> On May 20, 2017 at 7:57:17 AM, George Sousa (georgecso...@gmail.com)
> wrote:
>
>> I would appreciate some help deciphering the side note on
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
>> VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1880-1884/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1880-
>> 1884_item1/P120.html
>> (on the left - No. 35 Maria).
>>
>> Does it say "Este individuo celebrou seu casamento com Antonio Joaquin de
>> Sousa em 1910 na Igreja St Theresa (perhaps Thomas) em Boston"?
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Boston Churches

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I would appreciate some help deciphering the side note on
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1880-1884/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1880-1884_item1/P120.html

(on the left - No. 35 Maria).

Does it say "Este individuo celebrou seu casamento com Antonio Joaquin de
Sousa em 1910 na Igreja St Theresa (perhaps Thomas) em Boston"?

Thanks for your help.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with a name - Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[George Sousa]

Thank you both! Linda, if it makes you feel better I was going to make the same 
mistake.

Manuel de Almada it is...



> On Apr 10, 2017, at 9:17 PM, linda <menesesli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Aaaagh! Of course it is!  I consistently make this error. :(
> 
> thank you so much Margaret!
> 
> Linda
> 
> 
>> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:03:25 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>> George, 
>> 
>> It is Manuel de Almada.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 10, 2017, at 8:44 PM, linda <menese...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps it's an abbreviated form of "Alexandre".
>>> 
>>> Linda
>>> 
>>>> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 4:23:08 PM UTC-7, George Sousa wrote:
>>>> I would appreciate some help with the name of the bride's deceased first 
>>>> husband...
>>>> 
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1735-1755/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1735-1755_item1/P15.html
>>>>  (record on the right).
>>>> 
>>>> Here is what I have so far...
>>>> 
>>>> Em os des dias do mes de Mayo de mil sete centos e trinta e outo sendo de 
>>>> manha nesta Matris de Nosa Senhora de Asumcao desta vila do Porto...
>>>> ...prezente in facie eclesia Joseph Rezende filho de Bernardo Fagundes ja 
>>>> defunto e de sua mulher Maria Magalhoes baptizado na Parochial do 
>>>> Apostollo Sam Pedro desta ilha do Lugar da flor da Roza alta aonde tambem 
>>>> foi desobrigado dos Receiros annuais da quaresma proxima de mil sete 
>>>> centos trinta outo Com Isabel de Rezendes viuva Ale? Almada
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>> 
>>>> George
>>>> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with a name - Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[George Sousa]

I would appreciate some help with the name of the bride's deceased first
husband...

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1735-1755/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1735-1755_item1/P15.html
(record on the right).

Here is what I have so far...

Em os des dias do mes de Mayo de mil sete centos e trinta e outo sendo de
manha nesta Matris de Nosa Senhora de Asumcao desta vila do Porto...
...prezente in facie eclesia Joseph Rezende filho de Bernardo Fagundes ja
defunto e de sua mulher Maria Magalhoes baptizado na Parochial do Apostollo
Sam Pedro desta ilha do Lugar da flor da Roza alta aonde tambem foi
desobrigado dos Receiros annuais da quaresma proxima de mil sete
centos trinta outo Com Isabel de Rezendes viuva Ale? Almada


Thanks in advance.

George

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito, Santa Maria - Help with a couple of names

[George Sousa]

Thank you everyone!

I'm sure this happens occasionally for those of you have been doing this
for a while... but of late, as I work my way up a certain line, I sometimes
find a connection to a different branch of my family. I believe the
marriage record that I posted in this thread is yet another example.

I thought I would post this for future reference as I'm very confident that
the Groom's parents are Jozeph de Rezendes Carvalho and Maria Leandres
Moura. This couple is part of another family line that I've researched.

In terms of the Bride's parents... I haven't run across this couple before
but I'm confident that it's  Manoel da Fontes Chaves and Maria Pacheca. I
will post back to this thread if I find otherwise.

Thanks again to all those that offered help.

George


On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 7:40 PM, linda <menesesli...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I agree with Maria.  I can see "de Cra va lo" in the letters.
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 26, 2017 at 4:13:16 PM UTC-7, Maria wrote:
>>
>> After JOSEPH DE RESENDES, I think it says "de Carvalho". I see the
>> "Calhoun and the de but it doesn't look like a "C". I'm on iPhone and can't
>> make it bigger. Hope this is some help
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 26, 2017, at 11:30 AM, George Sousa <george...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The record on the right in the following page...
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>> SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751_item1/P31.html
>>
>> Here is what I have so far...
>>
>> Em os quinze dias do mes de Mayo da Era de mil e sete centos e trinta e
>> houto Annos de manham nesta igraja Parochial...
>> ...prezensa in facie eclesia Domingos de Rezendes filho de Jozeph de
>> Rezendes ? e de sua mulher Maria de Souza ja defuntos, e Esperansa de
>> Chaves filha de
>> Manoel da Fontes Chaves e de sua mulher Maria ? naturais e freguzes desta
>> freguezia...
>>
>> What is written after Jozeph de Rezendes? What is the name of the Bride's
>> mother?
>>
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> George
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santo Espirito, Santa Maria - Help with a couple of names

[George Sousa]

Thank you JR!

On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 12:56 PM, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> e de sua mulher Maria de Moura ja defuntos
>
> On Sunday, March 26, 2017 at 12:30:19 PM UTC-4, George Sousa wrote:
>>
>> The record on the right in the following page...
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>> SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751_item1/P31.html
>>
>> Here is what I have so far...
>>
>> Em os quinze dias do mes de Mayo da Era de mil e sete centos e trinta e
>> houto Annos de manham nesta igraja Parochial...
>> ...prezensa in facie eclesia Domingos de Rezendes filho de Jozeph de
>> Rezendes Cravalho e de sua mulher Maria de Moura, ja defuntos, e
>> Esperansa de Chaves filha de
>> Manoel da Fontes Chaves e de sua mulher Maria Pacheca naturais e
>> freguezes desta freguezia...excepto Domingos de Rezendes e qual e
>> natural de Matriz de villa desta Ilha Santa Maria
>>
>> What is written after Jozeph de Rezendes? What is the name of the Bride's
>> mother?
>>
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> George
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito, Santa Maria - Help with a couple of names

[George Sousa]

The record on the right in the following page...
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751_item1/P31.html

Here is what I have so far...

Em os quinze dias do mes de Mayo da Era de mil e sete centos e trinta e
houto Annos de manham nesta igraja Parochial...
...prezensa in facie eclesia Domingos de Rezendes filho de Jozeph de
Rezendes ? e de sua mulher Maria de Souza ja defuntos, e Esperansa de
Chaves filha de
Manoel da Fontes Chaves e de sua mulher Maria ? naturais e freguzes desta
freguezia...

What is written after Jozeph de Rezendes? What is the name of the Bride's
mother?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

George

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Santo Espirito, Santa Maria - Help with the first name

[George Sousa]

Thank you JR!

> On Mar 23, 2017, at 12:35 AM, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Rita- very stylized, large and unconnected- filha de Joam de Andrade Lordelo 
> and Antonia do Rozario...
> 
> JR
> 
>> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 11:23:10 PM UTC-4, George Sousa wrote:
>> Lately, for some reason I've been encountering names that seem unfamiliar to 
>> me. I could use your help with this one (on the left).
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P125.html
>> 
>> What is the child's first name?
>> 
>> Thanks again,
>> 
>> George
>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito, Santa Maria - an unfamiliar last name?

[George Sousa]

Thank you Margaret! This is the first time I've seen this reference. 

George

> On Mar 20, 2017, at 8:49 PM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi George,
> 
> It's not a last name, it is her status qualification.  Instead of saying 
> "single" the priest wrote " Sui Juris" which means "independent" person
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 7:09 PM, George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I would appreciate your help with this. Can anyone make out the last name of 
>> the paternal grandmother of Antonia (last entry on the right)?
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1825-1851/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1825-1851_item1/P245.html
>> 
>> 
>> Here is what I have... "Antonia filha de Jose Maria d'Braga e sua mulher 
>> Antonia Jacintha de Chaves, Moradores em Nossa Senhora da Gloria termo desta 
>> Parochial d'Nossa Senhora da Purificacao desta Ilha de Santa Maria netta 
>> paterna de Vitorina Rosa ? e de Pai oculto e materno de Jose Maria de Braga 
>> e Maria Jacintha de Chaves todo naturaes desta dita Parochial; nasceo aos 
>> desoito de Julho de mil oito centos quarenta tres foi batisado pelo 
>> Reverendo Cura desta Parochial Antonio Jose Tavares em vinte sette do dito 
>> mes e anno forao Padrinhos Jose Maria de Braga irmao da mae do Baptisado, e 
>> Vitorina de Resendes Casa digo moradores no Panasco, foram testemunhas..."
>> 
>> It's an unfamiliar last name. If you would like a second place to look at 
>> her name it can be found in the marriage record of the child's parents 
>> (entry on the left page).
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1820-1842/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1820-1842_item1/P86.html
>> 
>> Any help with this name would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> George
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito, Santa Maria - an unfamiliar last name?

[George Sousa]

I would appreciate your help with this. Can anyone make out the last name
of the paternal grandmother of Antonia (last entry on the right)?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1825-1851/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1825-1851_item1/P245.html


Here is what I have... "Antonia filha de Jose Maria d'Braga e sua mulher
Antonia Jacintha de Chaves, Moradores em Nossa Senhora da Gloria termo
desta Parochial d'Nossa Senhora da Purificacao desta Ilha de Santa Maria
netta paterna de Vitorina Rosa ? e de Pai oculto e materno de Jose Maria de
Braga e Maria Jacintha de Chaves todo naturaes desta dita Parochial; nasceo
aos desoito de Julho de mil oito centos quarenta tres foi batisado pelo
Reverendo Cura desta Parochial Antonio Jose Tavares em vinte sette do dito
mes e anno forao Padrinhos Jose Maria de Braga irmao da mae do Baptisado, e
Vitorina de Resendes Casa digo moradores no Panasco, foram testemunhas..."

It's an unfamiliar last name. If you would like a second place to look at
her name it can be found in the marriage record of the child's parents
(entry on the left page).

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1820-1842/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1820-1842_item1/P86.html

Any help with this name would be greatly appreciated.

George

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Name of Child (Santo Espirito, Santa Maria)

[George Sousa]

A second set of eyes on this would be greatly appreciated because I'm
having trouble with this child's name:

Here is the Link to her baptism... http://culturacores.
azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-
SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P94.html (2nd entry on the left)

As was discussed earlier surviving childhood was a significant challenge
and I believe she died just after turning two. Here is the link to her
obit... http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1776-1808/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1776-1808_
item1/P4.html (5th entry on the right)

Is her name Ezideria or Izideria... it looks similar to the modern form of
Isadora.

For extra bonus points... this couple has another child about three years
later and they name the child a suspiciously similar name. Here is the link
to the second childs baptism...
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1765-1779_item1/P147.html

Although it's a similar (or perhaps the same name of the child that has
died) this one baffles me.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

George

By the way, I'm a direct descendant of the second child and I have found
many other references to her and it appears that there is no consistent
spelling of the name.

Thanks again...

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Florianno - Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[George Sousa]

Thanks Cheri...
I was having a hard time making out the 'b' but I see it now. It's written
in a similar way to the 'b' in 'baptizado' in the 10th line. So my read is
that he has written 'trabarador', which may be an old form of the
word  'trabalhador'.








2017-02-22 12:54 GMT-05:00 Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>:

> trahalbador
> Worker, laborer, working man
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> 2017-02-22 9:46 GMT-08:00 George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Can anyone make out the occupation of Florianno's father?
>>
>> Second entry on the right...
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>> ASSUNCAO-B-1796-1802/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1796-1802_item1/P88.html
>>
>> Here is what I have so far...
>>
>> Florianno Filho de Joze Ignacio tra?arador e de sua mulher Joanna
>> Francisca naturais desta Matriz de Nossa Senhora da Assumpcao Villa do
>> Porto Ilha de Santa Maria e moradores no termo da Praia desta mesma Matriz
>> neto pella paterna de Ignacio de Rezendes e de sua mulher Roza Margarida e
>> pella Materna neto de Joze Francisco Fonseca e de sua mulher Margarida do
>> Espirito Santo todos naturais desta Matriz, nasceo em os trinta dias do mez
>> de Novembro de
>> mil e outo centos Foi baptizado nesta mesma Matriz Parochial de seos Pais
>> em os sete dias do mez de Dezembro do ditto anno por mim Cura della Pedro
>> Baptista Mello Forao Padrinhos Antonio Joaquim official de Oleiro morador
>> na Rua da Mizericordia Termo desta Madrinha Umbelina Roza tia do Batizado
>> pella Paterna Cendo testemunhas os Ruc? padres Benefficidos
>> Joao Coelho e Bernardion Jose de Mello que comigo asignarao dia mez anno
>> Supra.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> George
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Florianno - Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[George Sousa]

Can anyone make out the occupation of Florianno's father?

Second entry on the right...

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1796-1802/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1796-1802_item1/P88.html

Here is what I have so far...

Florianno Filho de Joze Ignacio tra?arador e de sua mulher Joanna Francisca
naturais desta Matriz de Nossa Senhora da Assumpcao Villa do Porto Ilha de
Santa Maria e moradores no termo da Praia desta mesma Matriz neto pella
paterna de Ignacio de Rezendes e de sua mulher Roza Margarida e pella
Materna neto de Joze Francisco Fonseca e de sua mulher Margarida do
Espirito Santo todos naturais desta Matriz, nasceo em os trinta dias do mez
de Novembro de
mil e outo centos Foi baptizado nesta mesma Matriz Parochial de seos Pais
em os sete dias do mez de Dezembro do ditto anno por mim Cura della Pedro
Baptista Mello Forao Padrinhos Antonio Joaquim official de Oleiro morador
na Rua da Mizericordia Termo desta Madrinha Umbelina Roza tia do Batizado
pella Paterna Cendo testemunhas os Ruc? padres Benefficidos
Joao Coelho e Bernardion Jose de Mello que comigo asignarao dia mez anno
Supra.

Thanks in advance,
George

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[George Sousa]

Hi JR,

I am a direct descendant of Anna de Andrade who was born in Vila do Porto
on March 16, 1688 (
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1667-1697/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1667-1697_item1/P94.html
).

Anna de Andrade married Mathias de Freitas in Santo Espirito. From what I
can tell the parish records for this time period for Santo Espirito are not
available but I have baptismal records for five of their children (all born
in Santo Espirito).

Anna de Andrade's baptismal record states the following...

"Em dozaseis do mes de marco de mil e seis sentos outenta e outo Baptizeu ?
o Vigario a Anna filha de Pedro de Bairo e de sua mulher Anna de Andrade
forao padrinhos Manuel Gomes filho de Andre Gomes, que Deus tem e madrinha
Francisca de Andrade... era ut Supra"

I believe that the record that I posted earlier (http://culturacores.azores.
gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1649-1681/SMA-
VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1649-1681_item1/P39.html ) is the marriage record of Anna de
Andrade's parents.

My first cut at interpreting this record (which has some damage) is the
following...

"Em Oito do mes de Janeiro de seis sentos e outenta annos Recebi in facie
da Santa Madre Igreja o Pedro Francisco de Bairos filho de (P)edro
Francisco de Bairos e de Sua Mulher ? Magalhaes de ? (ja de)funtos com Anna
de Andrade poim (possibly alpoim) (filha de) Francisco de Andrade de puim e
de sua mulher Maria de andrade de m(el)lo. Forao padrinho pedro de
Bairos..."

I believe the consensus (from those responding to my earlier post) on the
name of the Groom's mother is "Durciana Magalhaes".

JR, do you think I've missed a generation?

George




On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 8:35 PM, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> George, who are your ancestors that lead this couple? It almost looks like
> an in-between generation may be missing.
>
> JR
>
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2017 at 12:03:06 PM UTC-5, George Sousa wrote:
>>
>> I would appreciate some help with the first name of the groom's mother
>> (third entry on the right)
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>> ASSUNCAO-C-1649-1681/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1649-1681_item1/P39.html
>>
>> Here is what I have so far...
>>
>> "Em Oito do mes de Janeiro de seis sentos e outenta annos Recebi in facie
>> da Santa Madre Igreja o Pedro Francisco de Bairos filho de (P)edro
>> Francisco de Bairos e de Sua Mulher ? Magalhaes de ? (ja de)funtos com Anna
>> de Andrade poim (possibly alpoim) (filha de) Francisco de Andrade de puim e
>> de sua mulher Maria de andrade de m(el)lo. Forao padrinho pedro de
>> Bairos..."
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[George Sousa]

The Internet is a wonderful place to look stuff up... I take it the RR book
is "Genealogias de São Miguel e Santa Maria" by Rodrigo Rodrigues.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 4:44 PM, George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks everyone for your input on this.
>
> Margaret... I too am a direct descendant of this couple. Slowly I've been
> working my way back and was pretty excited when I found this record.
>
> Angela... what is the RR book (it sounds like something that I should
> learn more about)
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I just took a look at my tree and it so happens I descend from this
>> couple and I can confirm it is Dulciana de Magalhaes.
>>
>> Here's what I have for the parents of the groom:
>>
>> Pedro Garcia Pereira or de Bairos marriage to Dulciana Magalhaes is in
>> Rodrigo Rodrigues Genealogies. Capitulo 62 Setion 1 number 3.
>>
>> John Roias (JR) helped me with this line.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My take is; Dulciana
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now it looks like "Davitana." That's not even a name!
>>>>
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[George Sousa]

Thanks everyone for your input on this.

Margaret... I too am a direct descendant of this couple. Slowly I've been
working my way back and was pretty excited when I found this record.

Angela... what is the RR book (it sounds like something that I should learn
more about)

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> I just took a look at my tree and it so happens I descend from this couple
> and I can confirm it is Dulciana de Magalhaes.
>
> Here's what I have for the parents of the groom:
>
> Pedro Garcia Pereira or de Bairos marriage to Dulciana Magalhaes is in
> Rodrigo Rodrigues Genealogies. Capitulo 62 Setion 1 number 3.
>
> John Roias (JR) helped me with this line.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My take is; Dulciana
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Now it looks like "Davitana." That's not even a name!
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Vila do Porto - Santa Maria (Pedro Francisco de Bairos and Anna de Andrade Poim)

[George Sousa]

I would appreciate some help with the first name of the groom's mother
(third entry on the right)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1649-1681/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1649-1681_item1/P39.html


Here is what I have so far...

"Em Oito do mes de Janeiro de seis sentos e outenta annos Recebi in facie
da Santa Madre Igreja o Pedro Francisco de Bairos filho de (P)edro
Francisco de Bairos e de Sua Mulher ? Magalhaes de ? (ja de)funtos com Anna
de Andrade poim (possibly alpoim) (filha de) Francisco de Andrade de puim e
de sua mulher Maria de andrade de m(el)lo. Forao padrinho pedro de
Bairos..."


Thank you in advance

George

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th, 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

[George Sousa]

Thanks all...

Now that I re-read the record (having the benefit of all of your thoughts
and input) the record is pretty clear. It's the first of this type that
I've seen and it threw me for a bit of a loop. But that's why we're all
here... to help and to be of help. And a special apology to José Alves
Cabral (the Vice Vigario) for the flippant reference to "Vinho" ;)

Thanks again.

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *I think the key words are on the third line “sua esposo” which I believe
> means betrothed  or engaged. While it also could mean husband or wife.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 5, 2017 2:47 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th,
> 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria
>
>
>
> The parents of the baby may be cousins and are waiting on the dispensation
> to marry, but went ahead and started a family. On the other hand, maybe
> they are cousins and became "weak of the flesh" (the words of the day) or
> were jonesing for each other (that's probably American slang). She batted
> her eyelashes, he became weak in the knees...don't know. If they are
> cousins you might get lucky and find a dispensation (not all exist). You'd
> have to hire João Ventura, the archivist, to look for it (if it exists).
> Begin looking for a marriage on 28 Feb 1780. All you know is that the
> parents were not married on the baptism date. The marriage will let you
> know if they are related.
>
> Good luck, Cheri
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
> rickredle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> *It makes sense to me Bernardina is the daughter of Antonia de Chaves who
> is the daughter of Gonsalo de Andrade and his wife Antonia Margarida de
> Cheves and her betrothed Andre Jose Soares who is the son of Antonio Soares
> de Sousa and his wife Anna da Gloria.   Antonia de Cheves is engaged to
> Andre Jose Soares and they jumped the gun on starting a family.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *George Sousa
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 5, 2017 7:29 AM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th,
> 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria
>
>
>
> I may have to file this one in the Cheri Mello "too much vinho" file but I
> would appreciate your interpretation of this...
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
> VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-
> 1792_item1/P85.html
>
>
>
> As far as I can tell the page on the right reads...
>
>
>
> "Bernardina filha de Antonia de Chaves, filha de Gonsalo de Andrade e de
> sua mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e de sua espozo, Andre Jose Soares
> filho de Anna da Gloria, e de sua, digo filho de Antonio Soares de Sousa e
> de sua mulher Anna da Gloria, todos naturaus e freguses desta parochial de
> Nosa Senhora da purificasam lugar de Santo Espirito desta ilha de Santa
> Maria e moradores em o lugar da terra do Raposo, nasceu aos dezanove dias
> do mes de fevereiro do Anno de Mil Sete Sentos oitenta e quatro e foi
> baptizada nest Igreja parochial de seus pais por mim jose Alveres Cabral
> vice vigario dela, aos vinte sete dias do dito mes e anno Supra foram
> padrinhos Antonio Jose de Chaves filho do dito Gonsalo de Andrade e de sua
> mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e Anna Roza filha dos ditos Antonio
> Soares de Souza e de sua mulher Anna da Gloria, foram testemunhas..."
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on who the parents are? Is it Gonsalo de Andrade and Antonia
> Margarida de Chaves?
>
> Who are the grandparents?
>
>
>
> Any help and insight is greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> George
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th, 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

[George Sousa]

Thank you Cheri and Margaret.

George

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The parents aren't married and the priest wasn't very clear about it.
> Mom: Antonia de Chaves, daughter of Gonsalo de Andrade and Antonia
> Margarida de Chaves
> Dad: Andre Jose Soares son of Antonio Soares de Sousa and Anna da Gloria
>
> Godfather: Antonio Jose de Chaves son of Gonsalo de Andrade and Antonia
> Margarida de Chaves (appears to be maternal uncle of baby)
> Godmom: Anna Roza daughter of Antonio Soares de Souza and Anna da Gloria
> (appears to be paternal aunt of baby).
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 4:29 AM, George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I may have to file this one in the Cheri Mello "too much vinho" file but
>> I would appreciate your interpretation of this...
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792_item1/P85.html
>>
>> As far as I can tell the page on the right reads...
>>
>> "Bernardina filha de Antonia de Chaves, filha de Gonsalo de Andrade e de
>> sua mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e de sua espozo, Andre Jose Soares
>> filho de Anna da Gloria, e de sua, digo filho de Antonio Soares de Sousa e
>> de sua mulher Anna da Gloria, todos naturaus e freguses desta parochial de
>> Nosa Senhora da purificasam lugar de Santo Espirito desta ilha de Santa
>> Maria e moradores em o lugar da terra do Raposo, nasceu aos dezanove dias
>> do mes de fevereiro do Anno de Mil Sete Sentos oitenta e quatro e foi
>> baptizada nest Igreja parochial de seus pais por mim jose Alveres Cabral
>> vice vigario dela, aos vinte sete dias do dito mes e anno Supra foram
>> padrinhos Antonio Jose de Chaves filho do dito Gonsalo de Andrade e de sua
>> mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e Anna Roza filha dos ditos Antonio
>> Soares de Souza e de sua mulher Anna da Gloria, foram testemunhas..."
>>
>> Any thoughts on who the parents are? Is it Gonsalo de Andrade and Antonia
>> Margarida de Chaves?
>> Who are the grandparents?
>>
>> Any help and insight is greatly appreciated.
>>
>> George
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardina filha de ? on February 19th, 1784 - Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

[George Sousa]

I may have to file this one in the Cheri Mello "too much vinho" file but I
would appreciate your interpretation of this...

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792_item1/P85.html

As far as I can tell the page on the right reads...

"Bernardina filha de Antonia de Chaves, filha de Gonsalo de Andrade e de
sua mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e de sua espozo, Andre Jose Soares
filho de Anna da Gloria, e de sua, digo filho de Antonio Soares de Sousa e
de sua mulher Anna da Gloria, todos naturaus e freguses desta parochial de
Nosa Senhora da purificasam lugar de Santo Espirito desta ilha de Santa
Maria e moradores em o lugar da terra do Raposo, nasceu aos dezanove dias
do mes de fevereiro do Anno de Mil Sete Sentos oitenta e quatro e foi
baptizada nest Igreja parochial de seus pais por mim jose Alveres Cabral
vice vigario dela, aos vinte sete dias do dito mes e anno Supra foram
padrinhos Antonio Jose de Chaves filho do dito Gonsalo de Andrade e de sua
mulher Antonia Margarida de Chaves, e Anna Roza filha dos ditos Antonio
Soares de Souza e de sua mulher Anna da Gloria, foram testemunhas..."

Any thoughts on who the parents are? Is it Gonsalo de Andrade and Antonia
Margarida de Chaves?
Who are the grandparents?

Any help and insight is greatly appreciated.

George

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito, Santa Maria - An update on Anna and Clara

[George Sousa]

Last week a number of you gave me your thoughts and advice on determining
if these two couples...
(1) Manoel Fernades Lordello and Clara Andrade, and
(2) Manoel Fernades Lordello and Anna de Andrade Moira (Moura)
were in fact the same couple or two different couples.

After a bit of sleuthing I've been able to determine that these are two
different couples (with as much certainty as one can have looking at fading
early 18th century documents).

Although I've not been able to find the marriage record of the first couple
(Manoel and Clara), I found baptismal records for six of their children
including what may be their first, Manoel, born on April 4th 1702 (
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1700-1710/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1700-1710_item1/P18.html).
This couple had children in 1704, 1708, 1712, 1715 and 1718.

Couple number 2 (Manoel and Anna) were married (as posted earlier) on
September 29th 1709 in Santo Espirito, Santa Maria (
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1708-1730/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1708-1730_item1/P9.html
)

I found three of their children and they were born in 1710, 1713 and 1716.

Looking at this you can tell that this is not a second marriage for
Manoel... These are two different couples with eerily similar names living
in a tiny village on a tiny rock in the middle of a very big ocean.

Mystery solved...

Thanks all.


George

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Father's Name (Santo Espirito, Santa Maria)

[George Sousa]

Thank you Maria Elena... I would agree and that is the way I interpreted it
as well.
Now I have to figure out if Anna Moira (Moura) aka Ana de Andrade Moira
(Moura) also went by Clara de Andrade or if these are two different women.

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Maria Lima <maria.lima...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Nope- I see "Clara." Look at the opposite page where he write the letter
> "C" in the name, "Costa".  That's what I see.
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Jan 27, 2017, at 2:28 PM, George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> By the way... with the help of some of your suggestions made to me after
> my initial post in this thread I'm almost certain that I've found the
> marriage record of the parents of the child.
>
> For those that are interested here is the link.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
> VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1708-1730/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1708-
> 1730_item1/P9.html
>
> The record states in part "...Manoel Fr^z filho de Domingos Cruvello
> Lordello e de Breatis (Beatriz) Fernandes ja defunta natural desta
> freguesia e Ana de Andrade de Moira (Moura) natural desta
> freguesia filha de Costantino Velho e de Francisca de Andrade ja
> defuntos..."
>
> Now I have to figure out if Ana de Andrade Moira (Moura) also went by the
> name of Clara de Andrade or if the priest had a very creative way of
> writing Anna.
>
> Here is the record http://culturacores.azores.
> gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720/
> SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720_item1/P63.html. It's the last entry on
> the second page.
>
> Do you see Anna or Clara? I'm hopping you see Anna ;)
>
> George
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 3:18 PM, George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> For whatever reason this name (Lordello or Lordelo) is quite common in
>> Santo Espirito (Santa Maria). I'm not sure how common it is elsewhere in
>> the Azores. I've not seen that name in Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel. The only
>> other Azorean parish that I'm researching.  I'm curious if that name shows
>> up in other islands.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 9:07 AM, George Medeiros <migueldeav...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> It appears to be the name or surname Lordello. I read on a google search
>>> that the surname is concentrated in Brazil with few people having this
>>> surname around the world. I read that about 2426 people were found to bear
>>> the surname Lordello. Maybe you know this about the surname but I thought
>>> I'd share info I found. George Medeiros
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2017, at 6:10 PM, George Pacheco <bretanha1...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Manoel Frz ( Fernandes) Lordello e de Ana de Moira (Moura)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:46 AM, George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you JR and thank you Louie... I will take your advice.
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:29 AM, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's Manoel Fr'z (Fernandes) Lordello
>>>>>
>>>>> JR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 9:41:20 PM UTC-5, George Sousa wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second Record on the right...
>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>>>>>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720_i
>>>>>> tem1/P45.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone make out the father's full name?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see "Manoel filho de Manoel ? Lordello e de Ana de Moira..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could it be "Manoel Fernandes Lordello" or is it "Manoel Figueiredo
>>>>>> Lordello"... or something else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As always... thank you for your help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> George
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A bit of background for those that are interested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking for the baptismal record of Manoel Moura Curvello son of
>>>>>> Manoel Fernandes and Ana Moura, The obit record of Manoel Moura Curvello 
>>>>>> (
>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP
>>>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Father's Name (Santo Espirito, Santa Maria)

[George Sousa]

By the way... with the help of some of your suggestions made to me after my
initial post in this thread I'm almost certain that I've found the marriage
record of the parents of the child.

For those that are interested here is the link.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1708-1730/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1708-1730_item1/P9.html

The record states in part "...Manoel Fr^z filho de Domingos Cruvello
Lordello e de Breatis (Beatriz) Fernandes ja defunta natural desta
freguesia e Ana de Andrade de Moira (Moura) natural desta
freguesia filha de Costantino Velho e de Francisca de Andrade ja
defuntos..."

Now I have to figure out if Ana de Andrade Moira (Moura) also went by the
name of Clara de Andrade or if the priest had a very creative way of
writing Anna.

Here is the record
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720_item1/P63.html.
It's the last entry on the second page.

Do you see Anna or Clara? I'm hopping you see Anna ;)

George


On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 3:18 PM, George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> For whatever reason this name (Lordello or Lordelo) is quite common in
> Santo Espirito (Santa Maria). I'm not sure how common it is elsewhere in
> the Azores. I've not seen that name in Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel. The only
> other Azorean parish that I'm researching.  I'm curious if that name shows
> up in other islands.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 9:07 AM, George Medeiros <migueldeav...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It appears to be the name or surname Lordello. I read on a google search
>> that the surname is concentrated in Brazil with few people having this
>> surname around the world. I read that about 2426 people were found to bear
>> the surname Lordello. Maybe you know this about the surname but I thought
>> I'd share info I found. George Medeiros
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2017, at 6:10 PM, George Pacheco <bretanha1...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Manoel Frz ( Fernandes) Lordello e de Ana de Moira (Moura)
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:46 AM, George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you JR and thank you Louie... I will take your advice.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:29 AM, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's Manoel Fr'z (Fernandes) Lordello
>>>>
>>>> JR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 9:41:20 PM UTC-5, George Sousa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Second Record on the right...
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>>>>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720_i
>>>>> tem1/P45.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone make out the father's full name?
>>>>>
>>>>> I see "Manoel filho de Manoel ? Lordello e de Ana de Moira..."
>>>>>
>>>>> Could it be "Manoel Fernandes Lordello" or is it "Manoel Figueiredo
>>>>> Lordello"... or something else?
>>>>>
>>>>> As always... thank you for your help.
>>>>>
>>>>> George
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A bit of background for those that are interested.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for the baptismal record of Manoel Moura Curvello son of
>>>>> Manoel Fernandes and Ana Moura, The obit record of Manoel Moura Curvello (
>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP
>>>>> -SANTOESPIRITO-O-1793-1810/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1793-1810_
>>>>> item1/P4.html) states he died on June 18, 1793 at the age of 77 (more
>>>>> or less). That make his date of birth around 1716 (consistent with the
>>>>> above record).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Father's Name (Santo Espirito, Santa Maria)

[George Sousa]

For whatever reason this name (Lordello or Lordelo) is quite common in
Santo Espirito (Santa Maria). I'm not sure how common it is elsewhere in
the Azores. I've not seen that name in Faial da Terra, Sao Miguel. The only
other Azorean parish that I'm researching.  I'm curious if that name shows
up in other islands.



On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 9:07 AM, George Medeiros <migueldeav...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> It appears to be the name or surname Lordello. I read on a google search
> that the surname is concentrated in Brazil with few people having this
> surname around the world. I read that about 2426 people were found to bear
> the surname Lordello. Maybe you know this about the surname but I thought
> I'd share info I found. George Medeiros
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 26, 2017, at 6:10 PM, George Pacheco <bretanha1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>  Manoel Frz ( Fernandes) Lordello e de Ana de Moira (Moura)
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:46 AM, George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you JR and thank you Louie... I will take your advice.
>>
>> George
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:29 AM, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It's Manoel Fr'z (Fernandes) Lordello
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 9:41:20 PM UTC-5, George Sousa wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Second Record on the right...
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>>>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720_i
>>>> tem1/P45.html
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone make out the father's full name?
>>>>
>>>> I see "Manoel filho de Manoel ? Lordello e de Ana de Moira..."
>>>>
>>>> Could it be "Manoel Fernandes Lordello" or is it "Manoel Figueiredo
>>>> Lordello"... or something else?
>>>>
>>>> As always... thank you for your help.
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A bit of background for those that are interested.
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking for the baptismal record of Manoel Moura Curvello son of
>>>> Manoel Fernandes and Ana Moura, The obit record of Manoel Moura Curvello (
>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP
>>>> -SANTOESPIRITO-O-1793-1810/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1793-1810_
>>>> item1/P4.html) states he died on June 18, 1793 at the age of 77 (more
>>>> or less). That make his date of birth around 1716 (consistent with the
>>>> above record).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Father's Name (Santo Espirito, Santa Maria)

[George Sousa]

Thank you JR and thank you Louie... I will take your advice.

George

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 1:29 AM, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's Manoel Fr'z (Fernandes) Lordello
>
> JR
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 9:41:20 PM UTC-5, George Sousa wrote:
>>
>> Second Record on the right...
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720_item1/P45.html
>>
>> Can anyone make out the father's full name?
>>
>> I see "Manoel filho de Manoel ? Lordello e de Ana de Moira..."
>>
>> Could it be "Manoel Fernandes Lordello" or is it "Manoel Figueiredo
>> Lordello"... or something else?
>>
>> As always... thank you for your help.
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> A bit of background for those that are interested.
>>
>> I'm looking for the baptismal record of Manoel Moura Curvello son of
>> Manoel Fernandes and Ana Moura, The obit record of Manoel Moura Curvello (
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP
>> -SANTOESPIRITO-O-1793-1810/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1793-1810_item1/P4.html)
>> states he died on June 18, 1793 at the age of 77 (more or less). That make
>> his date of birth around 1716 (consistent with the above record).
>>
>>
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Father's Name (Santo Espirito, Santa Maria)

[George Sousa]

Second Record on the right...
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1710-1720_item1/P45.html

Can anyone make out the father's full name?

I see "Manoel filho de Manoel ? Lordello e de Ana de Moira..."

Could it be "Manoel Fernandes Lordello" or is it "Manoel Figueiredo
Lordello"... or something else?

As always... thank you for your help.

George


A bit of background for those that are interested.

I'm looking for the baptismal record of Manoel Moura Curvello son of Manoel
Fernandes and Ana Moura, The obit record of Manoel Moura Curvello (
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1793-1810/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-O-1793-1810_item1/P4.html)
states he died on June 18, 1793 at the age of 77 (more or less). That make
his date of birth around 1716 (consistent with the above record).

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Down

[George Sousa]

Done...

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Ahem, it would be nice that a dozen or so people email the CCA and let
> them know that the server is down. The CCA is on Terceira island. The
> server is on Sao Miguel island. They don't always know when it's down. It's
> miles and miles apart.
>
> One person emails them. They think "one person." They have a dozen people
> email them and they realize that there are lots and lots of people using
> their site and only a fraction of those people let them know.
>
> Their email address: drac@azores.gov.pt
>
> Always let them know that you are really thankful, really appreciate, yada
> yada yada, the service that they provide. Then let them know that you are
> getting that error screen.
>
> Angela L, the LDS Church negotiated with the government and went to the
> Azores in the early to mid-1980s and filmed all the records that were
> available at that time (1870s or 1880s. Varies by freguesia). At that time,
> they used the name "Genealogy Society of Utah." So the microfilm goes up to
> about 1883 or 1884 or so, but not in all locations. You'd have to go to
> your local FHC and see what film they may have for your freguesias and
> you'd have to order what film(s) you plan on utilizing. You can do it for
> short term or permanent load.
>
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Ângela Loura 
> wrote:
>
>> Are the CCA records available in microfilm in the Church of Jesus Christ
>> of Latter-day saints?
>>
>> 2017-01-16 17:25 GMT+00:00 Tish M :
>>
>>> João, thank you for your input. You are so right. The down time for CCA
>>> should not make CCA so discredited. They are doing a great service. We are
>>> living in a society where everyone is so impatient. Does it really matter
>>> if you are unable to look something up for a day, or two? I also agree,
>>> Familysearch has the resources, but for the Azores to give away the data
>>> would not only mean nobody would go to CCA, but would reduce CCA as a
>>> resource for tourism and revenue. Why do you think the Portuguese are
>>> offering citizenships with so little commitment to the people who apply
>>> (revenue)? I am not writing this in criticism of Portugal, it's just the
>>> climate of small governments around the world at this time.
>>>
>>> Tish
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 8:38 AM, João Ventura  wrote:
>>>
 Victor,

 The "cloud" is not free... And while I do agree that on principle it
 would make sense, the truth is that the thing that's REALLY expensive on
 the cloud is storage. You can get Amazon Web Services to scale easily the
 number of servers, but telling that each of those servers would have to be
 able to store and replicate several Terabytes of data would probably
 consume the budget for the whole archipelago quite fast.

 And it doesn't make sense to have several servers all going to the same
 storage server wherever they store all those images.

 Things that would make sense:
 1. Allowing Familysearch to serve those images (pros: free, and no work
 necessary; cons: nobody would use the CCA servers ever again).
 2. See 1., to be honest.

 João Ventura
 https://tombo.pt/en

 On Saturday, 14 January 2017 19:10:58 UTC+1, Victor Soares wrote:
>
> They should load all that data up on the cloud to be fault tolerant.
> Likely cheaper and less of a maintenance hassle for the CCA admins.
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 09:42 Ângela Loura  wrote:
>
>> Contacts:
>>
>> drac.i...@azores.gov.pt
>> drac...@azores.gov.pt
>>
>> 2017-01-14 17:35 GMT+00:00 Richard Francis Pimentel <
>> rickre...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> *CCA seems to have gone down this morning around 10:00 am EST. As of
>>> now it is still down.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rick*
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito, Santa Maria - Francisca filha de Joam de Moura and Laurencia Roza

[George Sousa]

Thank you Theresa and Margaret!

Margaret, in terms of the name '*Joam*'... I understand that it is an
antiquated spelling of the modern form João. I've gotten in the habit of
recording the names by the spelling used by the priest. You've got me
thinking that I should switch to recording the modern spelling. I'm
curious what you (and others do).

Thanks again for your help,

George



On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Theresa Entin <ten...@fullchannel.net>
wrote:

> Hi George, It is Francisca and I PM’d you the family.  Theresa
>
> On Dec 26, 2016, at 12:45 PM, George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Baptismal record
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-
> VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-
> 1792_item1/P117.html
>
> (left page)
>
> I could use another set of eyes on this record.
>
> 1. I think this is the Baptismal record of Francisca (although it could be
> Francisco). Anyone else see this differently?
> 2. Can anyone make out the last name of the paternal grandfather and
> grandmother?
> 3. What about the name of the maternal grandfather?
> 4. What is the last name of the child's godfather? Is it Braga? or
> Braganca?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> George
>
> 
>
> What follows is my read of the record
>
> Francisca filha de *Joam de Moura* e de sua mulher *Laurência Roza*
>
> Father: Joam de Moura (from Santo Espirito, Santa Maria)
> Mother:* Laurência Roza* (from Santo Espirito, Santa Maria)
>
> Paternal Grandfather: *Joam de Santos*? (or is it *Fontes*) and a last
> name that I can't make out
> Paternal Grandmother: *Maria da Margarida* (possibly *Fontes*)
>
> Both paternal grandparents were baptized in Igreja Matriz de Nossa Senhora
> da Assunção (Vila do Porto, Santa Maria)
>
> Maternal Grandfather: *Manoel de Souza*? (I'm having trouble making out
> his last name)
> Maternal Grandmother: *Anna do Rozario*... she is deceased.
>
> Both maternal grandparents are native to Santo Espirito, Santa Maria
>
> The child was born on the 25th of January 1787 and baptized March 6, 1787
>
> Godfather: *Gonçalo de Braga? or Braganca* (son of the same *Manoel de
> Souza*? and *Anna do Rozario*)
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito, Santa Maria - Francisca filha de Joam de Moura and Laurencia Roza

[George Sousa]

Baptismal record

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1779-1792_item1/P117.html

(left page)

I could use another set of eyes on this record.

1. I think this is the Baptismal record of Francisca (although it could be
Francisco). Anyone else see this differently?
2. Can anyone make out the last name of the paternal grandfather and
grandmother?
3. What about the name of the maternal grandfather?
4. What is the last name of the child's godfather? Is it Braga? or Braganca?

Thanks for your help.

George



What follows is my read of the record

Francisca filha de *Joam de Moura* e de sua mulher *Laurência Roza*

Father: Joam de Moura (from Santo Espirito, Santa Maria)
Mother:* Laurência Roza* (from Santo Espirito, Santa Maria)

Paternal Grandfather: *Joam de Santos*? (or is it *Fontes*) and a last name
that I can't make out
Paternal Grandmother: *Maria da Margarida* (possibly *Fontes*)

Both paternal grandparents were baptized in Igreja Matriz de Nossa Senhora
da Assunção (Vila do Porto, Santa Maria)

Maternal Grandfather: *Manoel de Souza*? (I'm having trouble making out his
last name)
Maternal Grandmother: *Anna do Rozario*... she is deceased.

Both maternal grandparents are native to Santo Espirito, Santa Maria

The child was born on the 25th of January 1787 and baptized March 6, 1787

Godfather: *Gonçalo de Braga? or Braganca* (son of the same *Manoel de
Souza*? and *Anna do Rozario*)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading two words...

[George Sousa]

Thanks JR!

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:28 PM, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> bap seis horas de dia dois de dito mez e annoPat- Simplicio Joaquim de
> Moura and Maria Jacintha de Chaves de dita freguezia; Mat Antonio Joze de
> Carvalho and Roza Jacintha naturais de referida freguezia. Pad- Antonio J.e
> (Joze) de Chaves e Antonia de Chaves, irmaos de pai de baptizado, moradores
> no mesmo termo...
>
> JR
>
>
> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 4:36:50 PM UTC-5, George Sousa wrote:
>>
>> In the following record (top of left page)...
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1860-1864/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1860-1864_item1/P18.html
>>
>> 1. Can someone make out the occupation of the child's father?
>> 2. and... What is the full name of the Paternal Grandfather?
>>
>> Here is what I have so far:
>>
>> Name: Jose
>> Date of baptism: November 13, 1860
>> Date of birth: November 2, 1860
>> Father's Name: Jose Maria de Chaves
>> Father's Occupation: ?
>> Mother's Name: Antonia de Jesus Chaves
>> Paternal Grandfather: ? Joaquim de Moura
>> Paternal Grandmother: Maria Jacintha de Chaves
>> Maternal Grandfather: Antonio Jose de Carvalho
>> Maternal Grandmother: Roza Jacintha
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> George
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading two words...

[George Sousa]

Thank you Linda! I should be able to confirm the name of the paternal 
grandfather... I'll keep looking.

> On Dec 4, 2016, at 8:19 PM, linda <menesesli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> For the father's occupation, I see "siareiro", a grain grower-- most likely 
> wheat, I believe.  Santa Maria has the driest climate of the islands, and is 
> the only one that had any significant amount of cereal production.
> 
> The paternal grandfather's first name looks like "Simplicio" to me, but I've 
> never seen that before and don't know if it could be right or not.
> 
> hope that helps,
> 
> Linda
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 1:36:50 PM UTC-8, George Sousa wrote:
>> In the following record (top of left page)...
>> 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1860-1864/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1860-1864_item1/P18.html
>> 
>> 1. Can someone make out the occupation of the child's father?
>> 2. and... What is the full name of the Paternal Grandfather?
>> 
>> Here is what I have so far:
>> 
>> Name: Jose
>> Date of baptism: November 13, 1860
>> Date of birth: November 2, 1860
>> Father's Name: Jose Maria de Chaves
>> Father's Occupation: ?
>> Mother's Name: Antonia de Jesus Chaves
>> Paternal Grandfather: ? Joaquim de Moura
>> Paternal Grandmother: Maria Jacintha de Chaves
>> Maternal Grandfather: Antonio Jose de Carvalho 
>> Maternal Grandmother: Roza Jacintha
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> George
>> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading two words...

[George Sousa]

In the following record (top of left page)...

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1860-1864/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1860-1864_item1/P18.html

1. Can someone make out the occupation of the child's father?
2. and... What is the full name of the Paternal Grandfather?

Here is what I have so far:

Name: Jose
Date of baptism: November 13, 1860
Date of birth: November 2, 1860
Father's Name: Jose Maria de Chaves
Father's Occupation: ?
Mother's Name: Antonia de Jesus Chaves
Paternal Grandfather: ? Joaquim de Moura
Paternal Grandmother: Maria Jacintha de Chaves
Maternal Grandfather: Antonio Jose de Carvalho
Maternal Grandmother: Roza Jacintha

Thanks in advance.

George

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is the significance of the side note.

[George Sousa]

Hi JR,

I believe I got the right marriage date. Here is the link to the marriage
of António Teixeira de Medeiros and Florinda Pacheco.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1872-1876/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1872-1876_item1/P30.html

It's listed as No 2 at the bottom right.


Margaret,

Thanks for the suggestion that this may be linked to an inheritance. I will
look through the obits.

George







On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 1:54 PM, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You must have given the wrong marriage date by mistake. Feb 4- 1875 is
> another related couple, not Antonio and Florinda.
>
> JR
>
> On Monday, November 14, 2016 at 1:17:38 PM UTC-5, George Sousa wrote:
>>
>> Florinda and Antonio were married on February 4th 1875 and as far as I
>> know they did not emigrate... but i'll keep looking now that I know what
>> the side notes mean.
>>
>> Thanks for you help.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Or they emigrated. George S. didn't give us any info on the couple in
>>> 1877, so we are taking wild guesses.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 8:17 AM, JR <jmr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You may have your answer if they married around the time when
>>>> certificate were issued.
>>>>
>>>> JR
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, November 14, 2016 at 11:10:38 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Says there was a certificate issued on that date. (For Florinda).
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is the significance of the side note.

[George Sousa]

Florinda and Antonio were married on February 4th 1875 and as far as I know
they did not emigrate... but i'll keep looking now that I know what the
side notes mean.

Thanks for you help.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Or they emigrated. George S. didn't give us any info on the couple in
> 1877, so we are taking wild guesses.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 8:17 AM, JR  wrote:
>
>> You may have your answer if they married around the time when certificate
>> were issued.
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On Monday, November 14, 2016 at 11:10:38 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Says there was a certificate issued on that date. (For Florinda).
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] What is the significance of the side note.

[George Sousa]

Thank you...

Seems like I was having 'copy/paste issues'.

For the record here is the correct link to Florinda's baptism...

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1854-1856/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1854-1856_item1/P44.html


On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:47 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> There was a certificate issued on that date. No clue what it says on
> Florinda's. Wrong link.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] What is the significance of the side note.

[George Sousa]

I would appreciate your help trying to decipher the side note of Antonio's
baptismal record. In other words... what does it say and what does it mean?
I noticed that the same note appears on his wife's baptismal record as well
(I can make out 23 d'Outubro de 1877).

Here is a link to Antonio's...

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1844-1846/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1844-1846_item1/P8.html

and here is a link to his wife's (Florinda)...

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1844-1846/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1844-1846_item1/P8.html

Thanks in advance

George

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: A second set of eyes would be greatly appreciated

[George Sousa]

Thank you JR

On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 7:08 PM, JR <jmro...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It looks like Queramba, which in all probability is a nickname. As you
> progress through Nordeste, you will realize why they adopted nicknames.
> It's chiefly the land of Pachecos, Raposos, Cabrals, Pimentels, Simas'
> Francos, Torres, Machados, and others.
>
> NSJ, Rosa, born- Aug 20- 1877, bap- Sept 2, Francisco Pacheco Queramba
> campones and Maria de Thorres, domestica, natives and received this
> freguesia, moradores na Lomba de Pedreira of the freguesia of Nordeste,
> Paterna- Antonio Pacheco Queramba and Anna de Thorres; Materna- Felisberto
> de Thorres and Maria de Thorres; Padrinhos- Francisco de Thorres solteiro,
> lavrador and hsi sister Roza de Thorres, solteira, moradores na dita Lomba.
>
> JR
>
>
> On Friday, November 11, 2016 at 5:44:39 PM UTC-5, George Sousa wrote:
>>
>> No. 95 Rosa
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-
>> SAOJORGE-B-1875-1878/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1875-1878_item1/P81.html
>>
>>
>> and
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-
>> SAOJORGE-B-1875-1878/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1875-1878_item1/P82.html
>>
>>
>> Am I reading this correctly...
>>
>>
>> Is the name of the father of the child Francisco Pacheco Quezambo? It's
>> an unusual name and I'm not sure if I have this right.
>>
>>
>> Is the maternal grandfather's name Felisberto de Torres? There seems to
>> be an 'h' after the "T" in his last name... as in Thorres or Thomes?
>>
>>
>> Any help would  be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>> George
>>
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] A second set of eyes would be greatly appreciated

[George Sousa]

No. 95 Rosa


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1875-1878/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1875-1878_item1/P81.html


and


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1875-1878/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-B-1875-1878_item1/P82.html


Am I reading this correctly...


Is the name of the father of the child Francisco Pacheco Quezambo? It's an
unusual name and I'm not sure if I have this right.


Is the maternal grandfather's name Felisberto de Torres? There seems to be
an 'h' after the "T" in his last name... as in Thorres or Thomes?


Any help would  be greatly appreciated.


George

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with the names of the parents of Antonio

[George Sousa]

Thank you Cheri!

On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, you got it right. Priest has a bit of a flourish in his penmanship!
>
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> On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 8:28 AM, George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> No 14 - Antonio
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-
>> FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879_item1/P67.html
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm having a bit of trouble making out the last name of the child's
>> father. I think the name is Francisco Soares Louro but I can't be certain.
>> The first name of the child's mother is also difficult to make out. Could
>> it be Maria de Sousa?
>>
>> Any help deciphering the names would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> George
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with the names of the parents of Antonio

[George Sousa]

No 14 - Antonio

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879_item1/P67.html



I'm having a bit of trouble making out the last name of the child's father.
I think the name is Francisco Soares Louro but I can't be certain. The
first name of the child's mother is also difficult to make out. Could it be
Maria de Sousa?

Any help deciphering the names would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

George

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Margin note: Carvalho in Ribeira Quente, Sao Miguel island

[George Sousa]

I think it says "He was the widower of approximately ten years (a Cerca de dez 
annos) of Maria do Carmo Lazaro ..." but I can't make out the final 'squish'

> On Oct 4, 2016, at 5:17 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> The margin note for Francisco, #18 on the bottom left:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905_item1/P114.html
> 
> The individual that's referenced in this record died on the 21 of the 
> current? in the Hospital of this Vila. He was the widower that was about (??) 
> something of Maria do Carmo Lazaro. Squish squish squish Povoacao 23 May 1845.
> 
> Can someone help with the ? and the squish squish squish?
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Would appreciate some help from the Pros on what to do when you see "de avos ocultos"

[George Sousa]

Thank you Cheri. As I suspected the only way to proceed is to use DNA.
Alexandrina da Assunção has four grandchildren that are still with us (two
males and two females) and numerous Great Grandchildren and their
offspring. Who would you recommend be tested and what type of test would
you suggest?

As a bit of an aside, after posting this question I've continued looking
for any Alexandrina born in Santa Maria between 1860 and 1870 who was an
'exposta'. Alexandrina is not a very common name and I have found only
one... baptized on March 17th 1862 in Villa do Porto. The link to the
record is
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1860-1864/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1860-1864_item1/P88.html.
In this record she is described as "uma crianca do sexo femenino a que dei
o nome de Alexandrina que foi exposta na Roda da Casa da Camara depois da
meia noite, filha de Pais nao sabidos".

Of course there is no way to know from this information that this is the
woman that I'm looking for but now I'm curious to know from others if you
have found orphans who were given a second name based on the name of the
church in which they were baptized. If this is a common practice then
Alexandrina da Assunção may have gotten her second name from "Nossa Senhora
da Assunção", the church in which she was baptized. Again, I know that none
of this proves that this is the lady that I'm looking for but I'm inclined
to think there is a high likelihood that this is her...

Thanks,

George



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> Alexandrina do Assuncao is the mom. Neither grandparents are known, so
> Alexandrina herself was an exposto, foundling, orphaned.
>
> There's no way to verify the family stories from this document. You may be
> able to use DNA if you could obtain samples from all the descendants
> mentioned in your stories.
>
> The margin on page 2 says Raulino was married to Maria d'Andrade Melo and
> he died in this freguesia on 1? May 1931? 1937?
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> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 3:44 PM, George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Researching one of my ancestors Raulino Jose de Souza (b. 1889 Santo
>> Espirito, Santa Maria). I've located his baptismal record (see the
>> following Centro de Conhecimento links):
>>
>> First page: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
>> SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-
>> 1885-1889_item1/P128.html
>> and second page:
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-
>> SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889_
>> item1/P129.html
>>
>>
>> I believe this is what the document states:
>>
>>
>> "No. 35 Raulino
>>
>>
>> Aos oito dias do mes de Setembro do anno de mil oito centos oitenta e
>> nove nesta Egreja parochial da Nossa Senhora da Purificação, logar de Santo
>> Espirito, Concelho da Vila do Porto, Diocese de Angra batizei solemente um
>> individio do sexo masculino, a quem dei o nomo de Raulino, e que nasceu
>> nesta freguesia as oito horas da manha dia vinte nove de Julho do dito
>> anno, filho natural de Alexhandrina da Assunção empregada no service
>> domestic, solteira natural, parochiana e moradora no termo da Calheta desta
>> freguesia neta [I think this should read neto] paterna e materna d’avos
>> ocultos. Foi padrinho Pedro Jose Coelho, casado ?, e madrinha Maria de
>> Braga solteira empregada no service domestico, os quaes todos sei seram os
>> peroprios. E para constar lavrei em duplicado este asunto que depois de ser
>> lido e conferido perante os padrinhos commigo o não assignou por não saber
>> escrever nem ler"
>>
>>
>> From my read of this it appears that Raulino's grandparents are not
>> known. His mother's name is given as Alexhandrina da Assunção. Is there
>> a clue in the name? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>> A couple of additional notes from family stories. Raulino's baptismal
>> godmother (Maria de Braga) is said to have been Alexandrina's aunt.
>> Raulino's father is said to have been named Raulino Jose de Sousa. The
>> family story is that Raulino's father was a cattle merchant from Sao Miguel.
>>
>>
>> Again any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>>
>> George
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Modern Portuguese Names

[George Sousa]

... and George is not... In fact (if I read this correctly) many of our
ancestors names are not on the list. I find this practice extremely odd.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:41 AM, 'Doris Mello' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Doris is OK.
>
> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
> On Sep 15, 2016 10:29 PM, 'j Bc' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Oh this IS cool! Thanks for posting it Cheri! I downloaded the pdf of
> names - it will be a useful tool. Love the article,
>
> On Thursday, September 15, 2016 at 10:24:45 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> This came up once before and Eliseu shared the list of acceptable names
> for children today in Portugal. Here is a little write up in the
> "Portuguese American Journal" about names today. It also contains a link to
> the list that Eliseu previously provided. https://goo.gl/OwuQCF
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Would appreciate some help from the Pros on what to do when you see "de avos ocultos"

[George Sousa]

Researching one of my ancestors Raulino Jose de Souza (b. 1889 Santo
Espirito, Santa Maria). I've located his baptismal record (see the
following Centro de Conhecimento links):

First page:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889_item1/P128.html

and second page:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1885-1889_item1/P129.html


I believe this is what the document states:


"No. 35 Raulino


Aos oito dias do mes de Setembro do anno de mil oito centos oitenta e nove
nesta Egreja parochial da Nossa Senhora da Purificação, logar de Santo
Espirito, Concelho da Vila do Porto, Diocese de Angra batizei solemente um
individio do sexo masculino, a quem dei o nomo de Raulino, e que nasceu
nesta freguesia as oito horas da manha dia vinte nove de Julho do dito
anno, filho natural de Alexhandrina da Assunção empregada no service
domestic, solteira natural, parochiana e moradora no termo da Calheta desta
freguesia neta [I think this should read neto] paterna e materna d’avos
ocultos. Foi padrinho Pedro Jose Coelho, casado ?, e madrinha Maria de
Braga solteira empregada no service domestico, os quaes todos sei seram os
peroprios. E para constar lavrei em duplicado este asunto que depois de ser
lido e conferido perante os padrinhos commigo o não assignou por não saber
escrever nem ler"


>From my read of this it appears that Raulino's grandparents are not known.
His mother's name is given as Alexhandrina da Assunção. Is there a clue in
the name? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.


A couple of additional notes from family stories. Raulino's baptismal
godmother (Maria de Braga) is said to have been Alexandrina's aunt.
Raulino's father is said to have been named Raulino Jose de Sousa. The
family story is that Raulino's father was a cattle merchant from Sao Miguel.


Again any advice would be greatly appreciated.


thanks,


George

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardino? Lordello - April 28 1857 Santo Espirito, Santa Maria Azores.

[George Sousa]

Hi Ângela,

That's great. José would be my Great Grandfather's brother. Would you mind
sharing any details that you have about José?

Greatly appreciated,

George


On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Ângela Loura <angelalo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi George,
>
> It turns out i have Bernardino's brother José in my tree.
>
>
> 2015-10-03 19:18 GMT+01:00 George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Thanks Shirley... but I was referring to the last entry on the right...
>> (as Angela has said).
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Shirley Allegre <shir...@digitalpath.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The child is JOSE, son of Bernardino Jose da Fontes X Maria Jacintha de
>>> Jesus, residents of Nossa Senhora da Gloria,
>>> termo this parochial of Nossa Senhora da Purificacao, place of Santo
>>> Espirito, island of Santa Maria.
>>> PATERNAL Grandparents
>>> Antonio Jose da Fontes X Bernardina Jacintha  (Looks like they are both
>>> deceased.)
>>> MATERNAL  GPs
>>> Pai Incognito X Maria Jacinta
>>> Jose was Born 23 April 1857
>>> baptised 30th of same month
>>> GODPARENTS
>>> Jose Maria Carvalho, single
>>> & Maria Jacinta Lima?
>>> That is what it looks like to me.  Maybe someone else can do a lot
>>> better.
>>> Shirley in CA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>>
>>> *From:* George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com>
>>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 8:24 AM
>>> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardino? Lordello - April 28 1857
>>> Santo Espirito, Santa Maria Azores.
>>>
>>> A second set of eyes on the first name of the fourth and final entry on
>>> this page (link below) would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1855-1860/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1855-1860_item1/P30.html
>>>
>>> I think the child's name is Bernardino.
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance...
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardino? Lordello - April 28 1857 Santo Espirito, Santa Maria Azores.

[George Sousa]

Thank you Angela! Bernardino's parents are my GG grandparents.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 7:46 PM, Ângela Loura <angelalo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, Bernardino. Son of Manoel de Andrade Lordello and Antonia Jacinta de
> Chaves.
> Paternal GParents: Francisco Antonio Lordello and Maria Perpetua.
> Maternal GParents: Manoel Antonio de Chaves and Ignacia Joaquina Puim
>
> 2015-10-02 16:24 GMT+01:00 George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com>:
>
>> A second set of eyes on the first name of the fourth and final entry on
>> this page (link below) would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1855-1860/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1855-1860_item1/P30.html
>>
>> I think the child's name is Bernardino.
>>
>> Thank you in advance...
>>
>> George
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardino? Lordello - April 28 1857 Santo Espirito, Santa Maria Azores.

[George Sousa]

Thanks Shirley... but I was referring to the last entry on the right... (as
Angela has said).

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Shirley Allegre <shir...@digitalpath.net>
wrote:

> The child is JOSE, son of Bernardino Jose da Fontes X Maria Jacintha de
> Jesus, residents of Nossa Senhora da Gloria,
> termo this parochial of Nossa Senhora da Purificacao, place of Santo
> Espirito, island of Santa Maria.
> PATERNAL Grandparents
> Antonio Jose da Fontes X Bernardina Jacintha  (Looks like they are both
> deceased.)
> MATERNAL  GPs
> Pai Incognito X Maria Jacinta
> Jose was Born 23 April 1857
> baptised 30th of same month
> GODPARENTS
> Jose Maria Carvalho, single
> & Maria Jacinta Lima?
> That is what it looks like to me.  Maybe someone else can do a lot better.
> Shirley in CA
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* George Sousa <georgecso...@gmail.com>
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Friday, October 02, 2015 8:24 AM
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardino? Lordello - April 28 1857 Santo
> Espirito, Santa Maria Azores.
>
> A second set of eyes on the first name of the fourth and final entry on
> this page (link below) would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1855-1860/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1855-1860_item1/P30.html
>
> I think the child's name is Bernardino.
>
> Thank you in advance...
>
> George
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Bernardino? Lordello - April 28 1857 Santo Espirito, Santa Maria Azores.

[George Sousa]

A second set of eyes on the first name of the fourth and final entry on
this page (link below) would be greatly appreciated.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1855-1860/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1855-1860_item1/P30.html

I think the child's name is Bernardino.

Thank you in advance...

George

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] António de Sousa Dourado son of José de Sousa Dourado

[George Sousa]

Hi Eliseu!

I'm new to the group (and I'm sorry if this post is improperly constructed).

I notice that you have family in Sao Miguel and that you
have ancestors with the SOUSA family name. Do you know anything about a
RAULINO SOUSA (possibly Raulino Jose de Sousa)? He is my great-grandfather
and the only thing I know about him is that he was a cattle merchant from
Sao Miguel.


regards,

George Sousa


On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Eliseu Silva eliseuman...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Dano!

 Is your António de Sousa Dourado maried to Vitória Felícia? Was he born
 about 1798 in Porto Formoso and married in Ponta Garça in 12 Jul 1824?
 If so they are my relatives.

 Do you mind to change information?


 Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
 Researching S. Miguel and Graciosa: PACHECO, ARRUDA, SILVA, SOUSA,
 BETTENCOURT
 Azores Genealogy Group - I am proud of my membership!!! Thanks Cheri!!!




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