RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[Linda Jardin]

Hi,

I sent it to the group, Cheri is contacting Eloise for her permission to share.

Linda

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JesseAndDeborah Mendonca
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 10:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

Hi Linda,

I found your cousin Eloise’s work cited as a source on a search, but never 
found the actual articles she wrote.  If you have copies, may we have access to 
them?   Will Eloise give us permission?

Cheri will know if it’s acceptable or not to use her article on this site.   I 
can help make them into a link if you need help.  My email is below.

Thank you!

Debbie
jessdebmendonca at gmail. Com



On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:01 PM Linda Jardin 
mailto:ljar...@legacymechanical.com>> wrote:
Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this subject as 
we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.  She has written 
articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these may still be 
available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is interested.  I also 
have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady and sharp as a tack!

From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all 
churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as can 
be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at somebody's 
door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise Cadinha studied 
this situation extensively and I have her notes.

John Miranda Raposo

On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello 
mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies were 
given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish church. The 
information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll look when I get 
home.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
mailto:lelaalvesso...@gmail.com>> wrote:



I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and the 
"oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or was it 
just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix" church which 
had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?

It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church in 
Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.  So much 
so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to be a number 
in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate and then was 
able to match the same number to her birth certificate.   Still a deadend for 
me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of people who were going to 
this church to hand over a child.  I can't image what was going on in the 1860 
to 1890 in that area, that so many were just giving up their children.

Would love to hear your thoughts.

Maria Sousa
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

[Linda Jardin]

Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this subject as 
we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.  She has written 
articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these may still be 
available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is interested.  I also 
have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady and sharp as a tack!

From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all 
churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as can 
be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at somebody's 
door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise Cadinha studied 
this situation extensively and I have her notes.

John Miranda Raposo

On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello 
mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies were 
given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish church. The 
information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll look when I get 
home.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa 
mailto:lelaalvesso...@gmail.com>> wrote:



I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and the 
"oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or was it 
just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix" church which 
had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?

It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church in 
Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.  So much 
so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to be a number 
in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate and then was 
able to match the same number to her birth certificate.   Still a deadend for 
me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of people who were going to 
this church to hand over a child.  I can't image what was going on in the 1860 
to 1890 in that area, that so many were just giving up their children.

Would love to hear your thoughts.

Maria Sousa
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Connections in Newspaper Article.

[Linda Jardin]

My cousin and I have been researching our exposta Leonor de Conceciao who was 
born in December 1870 and left in the Rhoda at the Matriz Sao Sebastio, Ponte 
del Gasa, Sao Miguel, Azores.  It has long been passed down the although she 
was left at the convent, her aunt came later to pick her up and raise her.  So 
far we have found her Baptismal record and her marriage record.  Most recently, 
my cousin found this newspaper article which tells a little story about her.  
Most importantly it links her with a Costa, Linhares, family.  The last line is 
the best because it tells us that she was raised by Marie Church's great-great 
grandfather.  Marie Church is the daughter of Maria Carmen Linhares Costa.  We 
are thinking this may be part of the line we can connect with Leonor.  Anyone 
out there related to this line?  Let me know.

Muito Obrigado,

Linda Jardin

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching for relatives of Antonio Ferreira

[Linda Jardin]

Thank you.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 1, 2016, at 1:08 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
<azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Regrettably, I do not have this individual or his parents and grandparents in 
my data base.

John


On Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:32 PM, Linda Jardin 
<ljar...@legacymechanical.com<mailto:ljar...@legacymechanical.com>> wrote:


Antonio was born  January 26, 1871.  He was the first son born to Manuel 
Ferreira and Jacintha Benta. He was baptized in February at Santa Luzia, 
Feteiras.  He later married Leonor de Conceicao (exposta) found in the rhoda at 
St. Sebastion.  They were married at Santa Luzia.  They had one child born to 
them named Maria.  After her birth they sailed to Hawaii and later to San 
Francisco to live in Hayward.  Anybody have him or a relative in their tree.  I 
have attached is baptism record.  He is Antonio #4

From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com]
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Searching for relatives of Antonio Ferreira

It is a very common name. What time period? Do you know the wife's name. That 
would improve your chances for a hit.

John

On Tuesday, August 30, 2016 7:10 PM, Linda Jardin 
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Does anyone have Antonio Ferreira from Feteiras, Sao Miguel, Azores in their 
tree?

Linda Jardin
Director of Admin Operations/Contract Administrator
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San Ramon, CA 94583
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Searching for relatives of Antonio Ferreira

[Linda Jardin]

Does anyone have Antonio Ferreira from Feteiras, Sao Miguel, Azores in their 
tree?

Linda Jardin
Director of Admin Operations/Contract Administrator
Legacy Mechanical & Energy Services, Inc.
3130 Crow Canyon Place, Suite 410
San Ramon, CA 94583
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Ferreira's

[Linda Jardin]

Hi,

Just checking to see if anyone out there has Antonio Ferreira married to Leonor 
de Jesus from Feteiras in their records?  He was born in 1870 or 71 and 
baptized in Santa Luzia.  Parents are Manuel Ferreira and Jacintha Benta of 
Cham de Cruz.

Thanks,
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

[Linda Jardin]

Awesome!  I love success stories like this.  Hoping to see many more of this.  
It is so encouraging.

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave Worman
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 9:23 AM
To: Azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

Success!!!

Thank you to each and every one of you who have spent time searching on my 
behalf and to each one of you following this thread.  I could not have done it 
without you.  You are an answer to my prayers!  God Bless you!
I have been searching for Velma Cotta, my birth mother, for most of my adult 
life with no results beyond finding out her name and marriage to my birth 
father.   Due to the help from members of this group - she has been identified 
and I have been able to locate and contact my actual, real 1st cousin!  A child 
of Velma's sister!
The information came in a little bit at a time but then quickly once we were 
pretty sure we were on the right trail.  Understanding the name change from 
Belmira to Velma was really the first clue.  Then census info, newspapers 
articles, tracking the people who might be the right family, finding graves, 
then obituaries of Velma's parents (thank you Sequoia Genealogical Society!) 
and then the obituary of Velma's sister.   I don't have permission to name the 
people who actually found all this but you can find them on this thread :)
They did all the important work as I have no clue.
To you who have been searching, too.  Keep looking and trying and I hope for 
your success!
Thank you,
Dave






On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Cheri Mello 
> wrote:
Yeah, that's the spelling. I knew it looked a little off!

Cheri Mello
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Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help With Determining the Name of the Town on BP Record

[Linda Jardin]

Thank you. This will help my research

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 18, 2015, at 7:19 PM, Margaret Vicente 
margaretvice...@gmail.commailto:margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote:

Linda, it reads as noted by Greg Dias. Cham (Chão) da Cruz.

The complete name is Chão da Lomba da Cruz.




On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Greg Dias 
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Linda,
There is a Chã Da Cruz near pedro Miguel, Faial

Greg Dias



On 6/18/2015 12:47 PM, Linda Jardin wrote:
Hello,

I need help determining the name of the town on my Great Grandfather’s 
Baptismal Record.  It is on the right #4 Antonio.  On line 11 I am unable to 
determine the town.  I think it is Cham da Cruz?  Cham da Luz?  Hope someone is 
able to help.

Many Thanks,
Linda



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maui Portugese Sausage

[Linda Jardin]

Goularts is awesome. Pretty close to Santos in San Leandro


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maui Portugese Sausage

Goularts in San Jose ! 
http://www.goularts.com/5.htmlhttp://www.goularts.com/5.html

I've tried all the brands, and home made too.




On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 12:55 PM, 'Jo Anne Hartmann' via Azores Genealogy 
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Just returned from Maui and was excited to order food with Portugese 
Sausage.in my family this would mean linguica!

Are my taste buds totally gone?  This version of linguica was way off the 
mark!  In the local store, one of the butchers said they discontinued the Silva 
brand - which is what I get here in So. Cal. Even the butcher agreed what they 
now sell is NOT the linguica of old!

Anyone else had this experience?

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Deciding Which Test to Get

[Linda Jardin]

I recently did the Family Finder test and the results are on line.  I now want 
to concentrate on just my mother's, mother's, mother's line.  Which is the best 
test to takek?

Thanks,
Linda

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Vieria Toledo anyone related?

[Linda Jardin]

Alferes, MVToledo...(Alferes is a title)

  b 1603  S Barbara, Terceira
   Fatherr:  Joao Gonclaves   died 1637
   Mother.  Catorina Jacome...died  1627
  her parents..
  Father:  Manuel de Toledo Machado  died Feb 1584
 Mother .. Isabel Vieira.. bef 1584..
   Mel toledo Machado
Mother.  Maria  Goncalves de Toledo Machado
 Her mother:
   Marqueza Goncalves Machado...
   Her mother:
  Mecia de Andrade Machoborn in Portugl
  Her father:
Dr: Joao de Lisboa Machado.
   This line goes back, back.
   One Ancestro Egas Moniz.   see below for notes I 
have on him...in PAF
  Isabel Vieira..Father:  Sebastiao VieiraLine goes back to 
Portugal...not traced
  Mother...Joana Jacome  


I am a descendant of the Vieria Toledo's.  Anyone out there connect with me 
through this line?

Thanks,
Linda

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Assistance with first name; Graciosa Vasconcellos Baptism

[Linda Jardin]

I see Florinda.

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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:11 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Assistance with first name; Graciosa Vasconcellos 
Baptism

Please see original record here:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1832-1841/GRA-SC-GUADALUPE-B-1832-1841_item1/P162.html

(second record on left)

I believe the first name is Horinda, but I am not at all positive.  I've 
created a study of the name (attached).  The first line of the graphic is the 
original name in context.  The second line is several variations on the first 
name.  The third line is another version of the name in the same record 
(Horinda de Cunha de Mello Pacheco?).

This appears to be another branch of my Vasconcellos line on Graciosa.

Thank you!
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] 6.0 Earthquake in California

[Linda Jardin]

We live in CoCo County and we were rockin and rollin for about 20 seconds.  
Thank God we have no damage I was worried about my Lapingha figurines from the 
old country but once again they are safe.

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Liz 
Migliori
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 3:41 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 6.0 Earthquake in California

All is well at my home. Shook out of bed though

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 25, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Cheri Mello 
gfsche...@gmail.commailto:gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:
Normally, I don't go off topic like this, but because there are several list 
members who may have been affected by the earthquake in California, I will 
allow people to ask through this thread how are the list members in that area 
doing.
List members who are in that area and who are able, please answer this thread 
and let us know you are alright.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Posting Family Tree on Family Tree DNA

[Linda Jardin]

Funny, I keep getting the same message.  ☹

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 8:14 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Posting Family Tree on Family Tree DNA

Eric E,
Really?  I uploaded one the other day for someone.  Send me your file direct 
and I'll give it a try.
gfscherim at gmail.comhttp://gmail.com

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 8:11 PM, luiznoia . 
noblankt...@gmail.commailto:noblankt...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been trying to upload my Gedcoms for over a week,. Every attempt has 
turned up a warning that it is down for maintanence.

Eric Edgar

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 6:29 PM, helen kerner 
hker...@sbcglobal.netmailto:hker...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

What is pretty sad is that people like you are telling people like me to post 
it for your convenience.

We do have other responsibilities that you are unaware of and posting the 
gedcom isn't at the top of the list for me.  This would be an ideal world if we 
all had the time to post them at your timing for your convenience so that you 
could be more calm.  But, this isn't an ideal world.

Be glad that the 68 people that you refer to in this email got tested and gave 
you an opportunity to vent over ???

Perhaps a new vent might be to worry about everyone on this list that hasn't 
been tested.  Now, wouldn't that be sad?

Take a deep breath and know that gedcoms will be coming.  I will post mine when 
I am ready.  No sooner and no later.

Best,
helen cunha kerner

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:52 PM, rml...@gmail.commailto:rml...@gmail.com 
rml...@gmail.commailto:rml...@gmail.com wrote:

I checked my FTDNA account of which I have 171 matches in the Azores project. 
Of that 171 only 68(40%) people have uploaded a gedcom.
That's pretty sad that if you take the time to submit a sample that you can't 
take the time to submit a gedcom.


On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:48:39 PM UTC-7, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote:
One of the most frustration things in Genetic Genealogy is having a match with 
a person and not being able to look for a common connection because no tree is 
posted on Family Tree DNA and all efforts to contact the match are fruitless. I 
have two 2nd Cousin matches and have tried numerous times and have had no 
response from them.

When you post a tree on Family Tree DNA who can see it. If you believe that it 
is available to every and anyone who wants to look at it you are mistaken. The 
only person that can see the tree is someone that has a match with you or the 
project administrator.  Another misconception on posting a tree on Family Tree 
DNA is that all your information is made available Only the basic information 
is posted such as Name, birth date and place, and death date and place. That is 
not much information but it is enough to find a common match. The other thing 
people are reluctant to display is any information on living persons. It is a 
matter of personal preference but anyone that knows how to use the inter net 
can find that information if they want. Any match with me can look at my GEDCOM 
on Family Tree DNA and see my birthday and place.

If you have not posted your Family Tree Please Consider it even a partial tree 
is better than no tree.

If you need help any of the Family Tree DNA Azores Project administrators can 
and most gladly assist any Azores DNA Project members.

Rick

Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator
Azores DNA Project

Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators
All unpaid volunteers
Cheri Mello – gfsche...@gmail.commailto:gfsche...@gmail.com
Rick Pimentel – rickredle...@gmail.commailto:rickredle...@gmail.com
Nancy Jean Baptista - fishsongf...@hotmail.commailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com
Kalani Mondoy - mamo...@gmail.commailto:mamo...@gmail.com

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Posting Family Tree on Family Tree DNA

[Linda Jardin]

I want to start a gedcom and get it on ftdna, is someone able to direct me?

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
dadt...@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 5:45 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Posting Family Tree on Family Tree DNA

Rick, I also concur and your statement is very well put, I just hope that all 
members will take notice and comply!!  good work and Thank youWilliam 
Olivares jr. (dadt...@comcast.netmailto:dadt...@comcast.net)


From: Tish M tish.me...@gmail.commailto:tish.me...@gmail.com
To: azores@googlegroups.commailto:azores@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 5:07:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Posting Family Tree on Family Tree DNA

Rick,
Very well written. I too,  do not understand the reluctancy of a majority of 
the ftDNA population. I hope we can at least get the Azores DNA Project members 
to see the value of the Family Trees.
Tish


On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
rfrancispimen...@comcast.netmailto:rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote:

One of the most frustration things in Genetic Genealogy is having a match with 
a person and not being able to look for a common connection because no tree is 
posted on Family Tree DNA and all efforts to contact the match are fruitless. I 
have two 2nd Cousin matches and have tried numerous times and have had no 
response from them.

When you post a tree on Family Tree DNA who can see it. If you believe that it 
is available to every and anyone who wants to look at it you are mistaken. The 
only person that can see the tree is someone that has a match with you or the 
project administrator.  Another misconception on posting a tree on Family Tree 
DNA is that all your information is made available Only the basic information 
is posted such as Name, birth date and place, and death date and place. That is 
not much information but it is enough to find a common match. The other thing 
people are reluctant to display is any information on living persons. It is a 
matter of personal preference but anyone that knows how to use the inter net 
can find that information if they want. Any match with me can look at my GEDCOM 
on Family Tree DNA and see my birthday and place.

If you have not posted your Family Tree Please Consider it even a partial tree 
is better than no tree.

If you need help any of the Family Tree DNA Azores Project administrators can 
and most gladly assist any Azores DNA Project members.

Rick

Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator
Azores DNA Project

Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators
All unpaid volunteers
Cheri Mello – gfsche...@gmail.commailto:gfsche...@gmail.com
Rick Pimentel – rickredle...@gmail.commailto:rickredle...@gmail.com
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Posting Family Tree on Family Tree DNA

[Linda Jardin]

I use Ancestry.com

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cheri Mello
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:57 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Posting Family Tree on Family Tree DNA

Linda J,
We'd need to know your genealogy software program for specific directions, but 
generally it's FileExport and you pick Gedcom from the choices.

Cheri Mello
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores to California

[Linda Jardin]

My ancestors did just that. Azores to Hilo to San Francisco then on to Oakland. 
 Surname of Ferreira. Once established in California worked as spoilers in the 
cotton mill. Building still exists


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 Original message 
From: David Perry
Date:07/15/2014 12:15 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azores to California

I've known a few Portuguese in California who first went from the Azores to 
Hawaii to work in the sugarcane fields and then came to California.
David

On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 1:43:03 PM UTC-7, Diane Cox wrote:
I've enjoyed the thread about Hawaii, Massachusetts or Brazil.  Does anyone 
know the background of the migration to California.  There was a large 
concentration of Portuguese in Newcastle, CA where I grew up.  Family tradition 
says that my great-grandmother came from Flores in the early 1880's because her 
parents had died and something happened on the island and many people were 
leaving.  Other relatives came from Pico and Faial in the 1880's and 90's.  
Does anyone have background on how and why they came to California instead of 
the east coast?
Thank you,
Diane

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Manoel Ferreira from Faial de Terra

[Linda Jardin]

Hi, I looked in the records for Relva and found nothing.  Anyone have any other 
suggestions.  I submitted my mother's DNA thru FTdna and she has quite a few 
matches but I find no connections.

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 11:12 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Manoel Ferreira from Faial de Terra

Did you find a marriage record for Manuel Ferreira and Maria Furtado in Relva? 
It would give details on their parents, etc.

John

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 1:16 PM, Linda Jardin 
ljar...@legacymechanical.commailto:ljar...@legacymechanical.com wrote:

Does anyone have this person or persons in their records?  I am looking for my 
ggf Manoel Ferreira and his wife Maria Furtado.  I have found the birth and 
marriage record for their son Antonio who was born in Fetieras, Ponta Del Gada 
Sao Miguel.  Antonio was born on Jan 26th 1871.  His birth record lists his 
parents as Manoel Ferreira of Faial de Terra, baptized in N.S. de Graca and 
Maria Furtado of Feteiras baptized in Santa Luzia.  I think I have looked at 
every baptismal record for Manuel and have not found anything.  Any help would 
be greatly appreciated.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Manoel Ferreira from Faial de Terra

[Linda Jardin]

Does anyone have this person or persons in their records?  I am looking for my 
ggf Manoel Ferreira and his wife Maria Furtado.  I have found the birth and 
marriage record for their son Antonio who was born in Fetieras, Ponta Del Gada 
Sao Miguel.  Antonio was born on Jan 26th 1871.  His birth record lists his 
parents as Manoel Ferreira of Faial de Terra, baptized in N.S. de Graca and 
Maria Furtado of Feteiras baptized in Santa Luzia.  I think I have looked at 
every baptismal record for Manuel and have not found anything.  Any help would 
be greatly appreciated.

Linda

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Manoel Ferreira from Faial de Terra

[Linda Jardin]

Hi John,

I have not looked in Relva for their marriage record.  I will try looking there.

Thank you

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 11:12 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Manoel Ferreira from Faial de Terra

Did you find a marriage record for Manuel Ferreira and Maria Furtado in Relva? 
It would give details on their parents, etc.

John

On Wednesday, May 28, 2014 1:16 PM, Linda Jardin 
ljar...@legacymechanical.commailto:ljar...@legacymechanical.com wrote:

Does anyone have this person or persons in their records?  I am looking for my 
ggf Manoel Ferreira and his wife Maria Furtado.  I have found the birth and 
marriage record for their son Antonio who was born in Fetieras, Ponta Del Gada 
Sao Miguel.  Antonio was born on Jan 26th 1871.  His birth record lists his 
parents as Manoel Ferreira of Faial de Terra, baptized in N.S. de Graca and 
Maria Furtado of Feteiras baptized in Santa Luzia.  I think I have looked at 
every baptismal record for Manuel and have not found anything.  Any help would 
be greatly appreciated.

Linda
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Roque do Rosto de Cao Baptism CCA

[Linda Jardin]

Hurray, I can't wait!

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pam 
Santos
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:48 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Roque do Rosto de Cao Baptism CCA

 

Yep

 

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 7:58 AM, João Ventura j...@venturas.org wrote:

And now the weddings, deaths and adoptions are up.

 

Next up, São Sebastião?


On Thursday, November 21, 2013 2:18:35 PM UTC+1, Pam Santos wrote:

Are up on CCA site.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[Linda Jardin]

Hi Shirley,

 

Wow, what a nice surprise!  I am looking for the baptismal record for my
great grandmother Leonor.  Cherri helped me find her marriage record to
my great grandfather Antonio Ferreira.  Their marriage record is Sao
Miguel, Feteiras, Ponta Delgada in 1892.  CCA 1892 pages 5 and 6.
Leonor was baptized in the Matriz, Sao Sebastiao.  In the margin it
appears the priest recorded her name as Leonor da Concenciao.  Her
husband Antonio was baptized in Santa Luzia in 1866.  Her passport
record in 1895 lists her as Leonor de Jesus.  Confusing.  Any help would
be greatly appreciated.

 

Yes, she is buried in Holy Sepulchre in Hayward.  My cousin had a grave
marker put in but her name is spelled wrong and the dates are wrong
also.  This will help us correct that.  Both sides of my family are also
buried there.  It is a beautiful, peaceful place with lots of
Portuguese.  My paternal grandparents are buried three or four rows up
from Leonor.  Purely coincidental.

 

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shirley Allegre
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 11:42 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

 

Linda:  I have the films for S. Sebastio in Ponta Delgada.

If you will send me what info you need, I will try to find it for you.

When you say she is at Holy Sepulchre, I am assuming that is in Hayward,
CA.  My husband and I have a 

gazillion relatives buried there.

 

Shirley in CA

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From: Linda Jardin mailto:ljar...@legacymechanical.com  

To: azores@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 10:17 AM

Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy]

 

This is a good lesson for me.  I want to thank all of you for
sharing your knowledge.  I am a newbie at this.  I will wait tor S.
Sebastio in Ponta Delgada, S. Miguel baptism records to posted.  In the
meantime I will do the mt dna test.  I have info on all of her children
and grandchildren.  I have pictures of her and her husband.  I visit her
at Holy Sepulchre she has brought two sides of the family that did not
even know each other together.  I feel fortunate to belong to this group
and am thankful to all of you for your willingness to share.  I could
not have gotten as far as I have without your help.  

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:44 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

 

In parts of my family, if your cousins were old enough to be
your aunt and uncle, you called them aunt and uncle.  So this aunt may
be a title only as Eileen stated.  

Linda J needs to find the baptism of Leonor in Sao Sebastiao in
Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island.  Not just any Leonor on any island
that kind of seems to fit.  Maybe then the aunt story will make sense.
Then again, maybe not.  But since her paper trail has so far pointed to
S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada on S.Miguel island, she needs to look
there.  If I were researching George Washington, who was born in
Virginia, I wouldn't go looking for him in Massachusetts.  Sure, I'd
probably find one, but it's not good genealogy practice to go jumping
states when everything points to Virginia.


Cheri Mello
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[Linda Jardin]

Thank you, my mom and several of her brothers and sisters are still
living.  I'll have my mom do the test.

 

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Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:39 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

 

Autosomal DNA.  Family Tree DNA calls this their Family Finder product.
http://goo.gl/1hvrp9

If you happen to have a living parent or one of their siblings are
alive, test them.  If not, test yourself.


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[Linda Jardin]

This is a good lesson for me.  I want to thank all of you for sharing
your knowledge.  I am a newbie at this.  I will wait tor S. Sebastio in
Ponta Delgada, S. Miguel baptism records to posted.  In the meantime I
will do the mt dna test.  I have info on all of her children and
grandchildren.  I have pictures of her and her husband.  I visit her at
Holy Sepulchre she has brought two sides of the family that did not even
know each other together.  I feel fortunate to belong to this group and
am thankful to all of you for your willingness to share.  I could not
have gotten as far as I have without your help.  

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 9:44 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

 

In parts of my family, if your cousins were old enough to be your aunt
and uncle, you called them aunt and uncle.  So this aunt may be a
title only as Eileen stated.  

Linda J needs to find the baptism of Leonor in Sao Sebastiao in Ponta
Delgada on Sao Miguel island.  Not just any Leonor on any island that
kind of seems to fit.  Maybe then the aunt story will make sense.
Then again, maybe not.  But since her paper trail has so far pointed to
S.Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada on S.Miguel island, she needs to look
there.  If I were researching George Washington, who was born in
Virginia, I wouldn't go looking for him in Massachusetts.  Sure, I'd
probably find one, but it's not good genealogy practice to go jumping
states when everything points to Virginia.


Cheri Mello
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[Linda Jardin]

Okay, I think that's me!  Here's the lineup:  Lenore, her daughter
Virgina, my grandmother, My mother Linda daughter of Virginia and then
me.  I will try the mtDNA test and wait for Sao Sebastio to be posted.

 

Thank you!

 

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Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 3:43 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

 

Linda J,

Hopefully, the CCA will post Sao Sebastiao before the end of the year.
They are in the Sao part of the alphabet and posting records in the
council of Ponta Delgada.

If you test your mtDNA, understand that you MUST be the daughter of the
daughter of the daughter of Leonorwomen all the way back to her.
Also understand that *most* mtDNA results are anthropological in nature
- the out of Africa theory.  You are less likely to get a genealogy
match that you would be able to document on paper unless you just happen
to have a rare mutation.  With that being said, we've had 1 or maybe 2
people who have been able to document their mtDNA match on paper (due to
a rare mutation).  We have about 250 mtDNA results in the Azores
database.

Currently, the other 2 types of DNA testing are Y-DNA (and Leonor was
not a man) or autosomal DNA (Family Finder).  The X chromosome testing
is on the horizon, so that will become the 4th type of DNA testing.  I
would think that there will be more on this in 2014.


Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[Linda Jardin]

Yes. That is what I am saying

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Sent: Fri, Oct 25, 2013 17:15:34 PDT
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

Linda J,

What?  Are you saying: Lenore  Virginia  Linda  Linda J (you).  If so,
that's a string of females and you can take the mtDNA test.  Reread my
other post CAREFULLY.  *Most* mtDNA results are anthropological in nature
and not genealogical.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] ancestor of Linda Jardin

[Linda Jardin]

Hi Doug,

 

This is what I found so far.  The passport record from Ponta Delgada to
Hawaii in 1985.  Leonor is listed as Leonor de Jesus pais incognitos.
In 1892 Leonor married Antonio Ferreira Cherri helped me with the
marriage record and it reads Leonor (unable to make out the last name)
is from the Matriz, Sao Sebastiao.  I found Antonio's baptism record
from Feteiras in 1866.  I do know Leonor was older by a few years than
Antonio.  I have searched almost all of the baptism records for a Leonor
and the only one I found was Leonor in 1893.  I know her parents were
not married.  Family stories say her aunt raised her.  Since I am unable
to read the document I can't really figure out if this is her or not.

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of p...@dholmes.com
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 12:04 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] ancestor of Linda Jardin

 

Hi Linda,

 

I don't know if you found your ancestor, but the person in the record is
a distant relative to me.

 

If you think your ancestors are from Terceira, you should also get the
Family Finder DNA test for additional leads as to who might be your
living relatives.

 

Interestingly, this person has one ancestor born in Brasil.

 

To help determine whether you found the right ancestor, what information
do you have that lead you to think you found the right one here? What is
her full name? If you found the right ancestor, it should match to
someone in the record.

 

You mention she was abandoned and this person was not. At least, not
immediately. She was not an exposta, but her parents are not married, as
you probably noticed.

 

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico  Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

www.dholmes.com http://www.dholmes.com 

 

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy]
From: Linda Jardin ljar...@legacymechanical.com
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Date: Thu, October 24, 2013 10:10 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com mailto:azores@googlegroups.com 

Here is the second page.  Any help at all will be greatly
appreciated.  She has always been known to us as being abandoned but yet
raised by her aunt.

 

Linda Jardin 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy]

[Linda Jardin]

Sorry, we are looking for Leonor.  I believe that is the name in the
margin.  Her marriage record indicates she was from Sao Sebastiao.   I
believe it states her baptism or birth month of November 1863.  The year
is about right for her birth.  I am just not able to read what is
written in the description.  If someone can decipher what is written
there it will help me to determine if I am correct.

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:19 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy]

 

Linda J,

Who are we looking for?  Saying it's your great-grandma raised by your
aunt is of no help.  Saying you are looking at the record of Anna who
should have Maria de Conceicao as her aunt or wet nurse would be of
better help.

Also, what can you make out of the record?  What do you need help
reading?

 

 

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ferriera Surname

[Linda Jardin]

Thank you so much for your help

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ferriera Surname

Linda J,

The Passaporte record says that Antonio Ferreira and Leonor de Jesus are
both from Feteiras on Sao Miguel island.  He's 26, she's 29 and they are
married with a 5 month old.  The date of the passaporte is Feb 5, 1895, so
they were married as of that date.  Don't believe who ever told you that
they married in 1893.  They were married by Feb 5, 1895 and for all you
know, they married Feb. 4, 1895.  Or maybe 5 month old Maria was the first
baby to live and there are 5 other babies before her and your ancestors
married in 1890.  Start with the marriages of Feteiras, begin in Feb of
1895, and work back until you find the marriage.  When the site is up for
you, that is.  I'll go look for 5 or 10 minutes, but I've got to prep for
tomorrow's speeches.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ferriera Surname

[Linda Jardin]

Shirley, 

 

Yes, this my ggf and ggm.  I am unable to access the cca website right
night.  Keep getting the error message.  Anyway the passport is Sao
Miguel, Ponta Del Gada, 1895 page 22.  Maybe if you take a look at it
you might be able to help me determine Jacintha's last name?

 

L

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Shirley Allegre
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 1:34 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ferriera Surname

 

Linda:  This is what I found in PORTUGUESE IMMIGRANTS TO HAWAII,
compiled by Edgar C Knowlton, Jr., on page 223:

194   Ferreira, Antonio,  age 26

Bra 95   Del  s5

with Leonor de Jesus, age 27,  wife

child:  Maria  5 m  (5 months)

 

Maybe someone else on the list can decipher  Bra 95  Del  s5.

 

Shirley in CA

 

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From: Linda Jardin mailto:ljar...@legacymechanical.com  

To: azores@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 2:34 PM

Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ferriera Surname

 

Can someone please tell me where the surname Ferreira would be
most concentrated from.  Still trying to locate a marriage record for my
ggps Antonio Ferreira and Leonor De Jesus married in 1893, had a
daughter Maria in 1894, and left Ponta del Gada for Hawaii in 1895.  Any
help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Linda

 

Linda Jardin

Director of Admin Operations/Contract Administrator

Legacy Mechanical  Energy Services, Inc.

3130 Crow Canyon Place, Suite 410

San Ramon, CA 94583

925.820.6938 Phone

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Ferriera Surname

[Linda Jardin]

Can someone please tell me where the surname Ferreira would be most
concentrated from.  Still trying to locate a marriage record for my ggps
Antonio Ferreira and Leonor De Jesus married in 1893, had a daughter
Maria in 1894, and left Ponta del Gada for Hawaii in 1895.  Any help
would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Linda

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ferriera Surname

[Linda Jardin]

Hi,

I found the passport and have searched Feteiras  and have found no
marriage record.  Perhaps I am reading the passport record wrong but it
looks like Feteiras to me.  Any other suggestions?

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 2:44 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ferriera Surname

 

Linda J,

I think that surname is all over.  To get to Hawaii, you had to sail out
of Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel island.  I've typed the proper spelling
(minus the diacritic over the a in Sao) and you should spell it that
way in your genealogy program.  The Passaportes for the 1890s will tell
you the freguesia.

Emigration OUT of Ponta Delgada exists on the CCA site (passaportes).
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/passaportes/Default.aspx

Pick Ponta Delgada from the drop down menu.
Pick the range that covers 1895.

Start the hunt!

Good luck,

Cheri Mello
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] 3 Types of DNA Testing

[Linda Jardin]

My great grandmother was an exposta.  My mother wants to take a blood
test to see if we will find any matches to help us solve her mystery.
Any suggestions on which test to take? Anyone out there related to
Leonor de Jesus or Manuel Ferreira born in the Azores about 1871?

 

Many Thanks,

Linda

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:39 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] 3 Types of DNA Testing

 

I'm getting questions about matching.  Most of the talk on the list
right now is regarding the Family Finder testing.

Once upon a time, there were only 2 types of DNA testing: Y-DNA and
mtDNA.  We talked about these tests from 2000 to about 2010.  It was all
that was available back then.  Y-DNA tested a MAN's strict paternal
line: His father's father's father's line, or top of the pedigree.  If
you were a female, you had to hunt a male relative down to do a DNA test
for that line.  Also available was mtDNA: this is anyone's mother's
mother's mother's line, or the bottom of the pedigree.  Most of the
information from an mtDNA test is more anthropological in nature than
genealogical (anthropological = like anthropology - deep roots, out of
Africa theory, think the Flintstones for those familiar with that
cartoon series).  

I guess the DNA community did a real good job of getting Y-DNA and mtDNA
into everyone's heads.  So in 2010, a new type of DNA testing was
available.  Autosomal DNA testing.  Family Tree DNA marketed this test
as Family Finder (FF).  It's a completely different type of test.

Family Finder (FF) covers ALL the lines of the testee (whether a man or
a woman takes the test) back about 200 years.  I was born in the 1960s.
I should see results going back to about the 1760s.  I should find
matches that are Portuguese from my dad's half, matches from my dad's
British Isles half, and matches from my mom's Ozarks lineage.  I'm
seeing my ENTIRE tree.  But since I still have access to my parents, I
tested them.  They are born in the 1930s, so I should see matches on ALL
their lines back to about the 1730s.  I have identified one on my mom
back to 1760.  I've identified a couple of my dad that go back far - one
to 1696, but that's an intermarried line, so the DNA did not get
diluted.

Those are the 3 types of DNA testing for genealogists on the market.
Which one should you chose?  That depends on your goal.  A Y-DNA or
mtDNA gives a restricted, narrow focus:  One line only.  Family Finder
(FF) gives a broad overview of ALL your lines.  It's presented to you as
a plate of spaghetti and you have to untangle all the lines.  Posting
your Gedcom is necessary so you can see your matches' trees and your
matches can see your tree.


Cheri Mello

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] 3 Types of DNA Testing

[Linda Jardin]

Thank you so much, please excuse my ignorance on the blood test J  I do
know that they were in Feteiras so that would be Sao Miguel?  I must
correct my ggf's name his father is Manuel Ferreira from Feteiras my ggf
is Antonio Ferreira.  So excited that we may be able to figure out
Leonor.  I would love to put something on her head stone.

 

LJ

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 1:05 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 3 Types of DNA Testing

 

HI Linda J,

They don't do blood.  They haven't used blood samples in 12? 15? years!
They now use saliva.  You scrape the inside of the cheek.  It is
completely painless.  The scraper looks like a tiny toothbrush or
women's makeup brush, but it's made out of some type of hard cardboard
or cotton type stuff: http://goo.gl/zHSWZY

There's two ways to get to the exposta.  You can do the Full mtDNA test
on the daughter of the daughter of the daughter of the exposta.  That
isolates that one line.  You will have to wait for meaningful matches to
come in.  You could also do the Family Finder (FF) test.  Work on
identifying all your mom's other lines.  The ones that you can't match
up to will start to belong to the exposta line.  Then you can work that
angle.  But you have to identify the others first.

You will also need a Gedcom up.  And you'll need (at bare minimum) an
island for Leonor de Jesus or Manuel Ferreira.  Asking for them in the
Azores is about the same as asking for John Smith and Mary Jones in
America.  Gotta narrow down the location for those people.

 

Cheri Mello

FTDNA Admin (volunteer)

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] 3 Types of DNA Testing

[Linda Jardin]

Thank you will do!

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Francis Pimentel
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 1:14 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] 3 Types of DNA Testing

 

Hi Linda. 

 

The best test to take would be the Family Finder. For the best results
you should have your mother take the test.

 

Be sure to order the test through the Azores DNA Project at Family Tree
DNA here:  http://goo.gl/jYvDfy At the top click Join Request and then
click Purchase a test to Join this Project

 

 

Rick

 

Family Tree DNA Co-Administrator
Azores DNA Project

  

Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators

All unpaid volunteers 

Cherri Mello - gfsche...@gmail.com mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com  

Rick Pimentel - rickredle...@gmail.com mailto:rickredle...@gmail.com  

Nancy Jean Baptista - fishsongf...@hotmail.com
mailto:fishsongf...@hotmail.com  

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Linda Jardin
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 2:00 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] 3 Types of DNA Testing

 

My great grandmother was an exposta.  My mother wants to take a blood
test to see if we will find any matches to help us solve her mystery.
Any suggestions on which test to take? Anyone out there related to
Leonor de Jesus or Manuel Ferreira born in the Azores about 1871?

 

Many Thanks,

Linda

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:39 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] 3 Types of DNA Testing

 

I'm getting questions about matching.  Most of the talk on the list
right now is regarding the Family Finder testing.

Once upon a time, there were only 2 types of DNA testing: Y-DNA and
mtDNA.  We talked about these tests from 2000 to about 2010.  It was all
that was available back then.  Y-DNA tested a MAN's strict paternal
line: His father's father's father's line, or top of the pedigree.  If
you were a female, you had to hunt a male relative down to do a DNA test
for that line.  Also available was mtDNA: this is anyone's mother's
mother's mother's line, or the bottom of the pedigree.  Most of the
information from an mtDNA test is more anthropological in nature than
genealogical (anthropological = like anthropology - deep roots, out of
Africa theory, think the Flintstones for those familiar with that
cartoon series).  

I guess the DNA community did a real good job of getting Y-DNA and mtDNA
into everyone's heads.  So in 2010, a new type of DNA testing was
available.  Autosomal DNA testing.  Family Tree DNA marketed this test
as Family Finder (FF).  It's a completely different type of test.

Family Finder (FF) covers ALL the lines of the testee (whether a man or
a woman takes the test) back about 200 years.  I was born in the 1960s.
I should see results going back to about the 1760s.  I should find
matches that are Portuguese from my dad's half, matches from my dad's
British Isles half, and matches from my mom's Ozarks lineage.  I'm
seeing my ENTIRE tree.  But since I still have access to my parents, I
tested them.  They are born in the 1930s, so I should see matches on ALL
their lines back to about the 1730s.  I have identified one on my mom
back to 1760.  I've identified a couple of my dad that go back far - one
to 1696, but that's an intermarried line, so the DNA did not get
diluted.

Those are the 3 types of DNA testing for genealogists on the market.
Which one should you chose?  That depends on your goal.  A Y-DNA or
mtDNA gives a restricted, narrow focus:  One line only.  Family Finder
(FF) gives a broad overview of ALL your lines.  It's presented to you as
a plate of spaghetti and you have to untangle all the lines.  Posting
your Gedcom is necessary so you can see your matches' trees and your
matches can see your tree.


Cheri Mello

Listowner, Azores-Gen
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Ferreria, Leonor De Jesus

[Linda Jardin]

I am the great granddaughter of Antonio Ferreira and Leonor De Jesus.  I
know that they left Ponta Delgada in 1865 and arrived in Hawaii of that
same year.  At the time they left they had their first child Maria
Ferreira with them, she was 5 months old.  By way of Passport records I
know my ggf's parents were Manuel Ferreira and Jacinta or Jacintha
Duarto of Feteiras.  If anyone has any link to them please let me know.
I know Manuel was 26 and Leonor was 29 and they were married in 1863.
Maria was born in 1864.  I can trace them to the Hawaiian Islands and to
Hayward and Oakland, CA.  Leonor died in 1960 in Oakland.  I am not able
to find any record of Antonio after his arrival to Hayward in 1920.
They also had a son named Manuel born in Hilo who came to California and
I can find no trace of him either.  There were also two other daughters
born of their marriage Julia and Virginia both born in Hilo.  Virginia
is my grandmother.  I would greatly appreciate any help anyone has to
offer.  

 

Linda

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Feteiras church records - for Linda

[Linda Jardin]

Tony,

Thank you again.  I am planning on making a trip to our local Mormon
Library.

 

Best,

Linda

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of antonia...@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 12:16 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Feteiras church records - for Linda

 

yes, it is  from the Mormon's Family History Library Catalog.  They
filmed all the church records in the Azores.  These church records are
great...Parents and where they are from; grandparents and where they are
from...the newer records give the greats and where they are from.  These
census records were copied from the churches which were required to send
copies to the gov't.   I don't know if later records provided as much
info as the earlier records.  I can't remember where I got my church
records...I think at the Mormon Library.   i never had to write for
records.  There are many on the list who have written for records on S
Miguel, Terceira. and Faial.

 

  Information  will come your way.  

 

In a message dated 7/3/2013 11:17:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
ljar...@legacymechanical.com writes:

I searched around last night and could not find this record.
Perhaps I was looking in the wrong place.  Can you tell me where you
found this so that I may see it also.  This has really piqued my
curiosity.

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Feteiras church records - for Linda

[Linda Jardin]

Tony,

Thank you so much for this information!  I am so excited to have a new
avenue to explore.  I will definitely write for the record.  

 

Linda  

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
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Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 2:02 PM
To: Azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Feteiras church records - for Linda

 

 Linda:  

 

Santa Luzia...Feteiras...S. Miguel  RE: Maria b Oct 1894 ...child of
Antonio Ferreira and Isabel de Jesus..

 

The last dates for Feteiras birth records on film are the Civil Records
1853-1882.   Therefore, unless you make a trip to S. Miguel you will
have to write for the record.  

 

Others on the list can give you information as where to write for the
record and also the cost.  

 

Tony

 

I am looking for my Great Grandmother and Great Grandfather Lenor de
Jesus and Antonio Ferreira. I know they left Ponta Delgada on February
5th 1895 destination Hawaii.  They were married in 1893, had a child
Maria born in  October 1894.  Passport record identifies his parents as
Manuel Ferreira and Jacintha Duarto of Feteiras.  I am looking for
information prior to their leaving the Azores.  Family stories say that
Lenor was in an orphanage and later taken back by her aunt (name at this
point unknown).  Any suggestions on where to go from here?

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ferreira Family

[Linda Jardin]

Hi, they are either from Faial or Terceira as far as I know.  My GG's
name is actually spelled Leonor.  

 

Thanks,

Linda

 

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Hi Can you tell me what Island they are from

 

Thank you
Bob Camacho
Researching the Island of Terceira for
da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera
Researching the Island of Graciousa for
Reis
Researching the Island of Madeira for
Camacho
Researching Brazil for
Evangelho

In a message dated 6/26/2013 3:39:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
ljar...@legacymechanical.com writes:

I am looking for my Great Grandmother and Great Grandfather
Lenor de Jesus and Antonio Ferreira. I know they left Ponta Delgada on
February 5th 1895 destination Hawaii.  They were married in 1893, had a
child Maria born in  October 1894.  Passport record identifies his
parents as Manuel Ferreira and Jacintha Duarto of Feteiras.  I am
looking for information prior to their leaving the Azores.  Family
stories say that Lenor was in an orphanage and later taken back by her
aunt (name at this point unknown).  Any suggestions on where to go from
here?

 

L

 

Director of Admin Operations/Contract Administrator

Legacy Mechanical  Energy Services, Inc.

111 Deerwood Road, Suite 220

San Ramon, CA 94583

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ferreira Family

[Linda Jardin]

Thank you Bob.  I will check Ribeirinha for any info on my GG parents.  

 

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My G grandmother is a  Ferreira from Ribeirinha,Terceira, Azores.  she
was born in 1896  and she did have a brother which was Anthony Pacheco
Ferreira.  and her parents where Francisco and Francisca  Ferreira.  Her
Grandfather is Manuel and Maria.  I know that Manuel had several
brothers and so did Francisco.  I know this does not help but it might

Bob

 

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ljar...@legacymechanical.com writes:

Hi, they are either from Faial or Terceira as far as I know.  My
GGs name is actually spelled Leonor.  

 

Thanks,

Linda

 

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Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 7:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ferreira Family

 

Hi Can you tell me what Island they are from

 

Thank you
Bob Camacho
Researching the Island of Terceira for
da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera
Researching the Island of Graciousa for
Reis
Researching the Island of Madeira for
Camacho
Researching Brazil for
Evangelho

In a message dated 6/26/2013 3:39:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
ljar...@legacymechanical.com writes:

I am looking for my Great Grandmother and Great
Grandfather Lenor de Jesus and Antonio Ferreira. I know they left Ponta
Delgada on February 5th 1895 destination Hawaii.  They were married in
1893, had a child Maria born in  October 1894.  Passport record
identifies his parents as Manuel Ferreira and Jacintha Duarto of
Feteiras.  I am looking for information prior to their leaving the
Azores.  Family stories say that Lenor was in an orphanage and later
taken back by her aunt (name at this point unknown).  Any suggestions on
where to go from here?

 

L

 

Director of Admin Operations/Contract Administrator

Legacy Mechanical  Energy Services, Inc.

111 Deerwood Road, Suite 220

San Ramon, CA 94583

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Ferreira Family

[Linda Jardin]

I am looking for my Great Grandmother and Great Grandfather Lenor de
Jesus and Antonio Ferreira. I know they left Ponta Delgada on February
5th 1895 destination Hawaii.  They were married in 1893, had a child
Maria born in  October 1894.  Passport record identifies his parents as
Manuel Ferreira and Jacintha Duarto of Feteiras.  I am looking for
information prior to their leaving the Azores.  Family stories say that
Lenor was in an orphanage and later taken back by her aunt (name at this
point unknown).  Any suggestions on where to go from here?

 

L

 

Director of Admin Operations/Contract Administrator

Legacy Mechanical  Energy Services, Inc.

111 Deerwood Road, Suite 220

San Ramon, CA 94583

 

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