Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues

[John Machado]

Yes ma’am, you are correct.  I descend from Mary Agnes Silva who married 
William Perry aka Guilherme Francisco Pereira.

I am a participant in the Azore DNA Project.

John M.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues

[luiznoia .]

John,

If you type Dyce into the search of your gmail, you should be able to find
the thread.

Eric

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> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 12:08 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> I worked on this back in 2013 with you. I'll go back and comment on that
>> thread so all discussion can be seen again.
>>
>> Meanwhile I found one more news item on Joseph Dyce. This is from 1914,
>> and he is being transported to Watsonville as an indigent.
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:59 AM, "E" Sharp <bellema...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was thinking the same thing...Dyce/Dias.  Also what about
>>> Nicols/Nicholas??
>>>
>>> "E"
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
>>> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *Just some quick thoughts. The name Joseph Silva Dyce – I believe Dyce
>>>> is a phonetic spelling of Dias so in Portuguese records it would be Jose da
>>>> Silva Dias. Where did this Joseph Nichols come from? Did Jose da Silva Dias
>>>> die and Maria Isabel remarry? You kind of indicate this but you have no
>>>> death date for Jose da Silva Dias or a marriage record with Jose Nichols.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Have you done any DNA testing to see if you can get any matches with
>>>> an indication of which island and general location your ancestors may be
>>>> from?  *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Rick*
>>>>
>>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>>
>>>> *Epping, NH*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>>>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *John Machado
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:42 PM
>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have done a lot of research with nothing to show for her life before
>>>> coming to US.  I chose Angustius out of dumb luck to be honest.  I was
>>>> simply trying to look at baptism records around the birth date of Oct 26,
>>>> 1830 as a last ditch effort.  Angustius is simply where I started.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What I know.
>>>>
>>>>- Mary Esabel Rodrigues arrives in the US prior to 1868 even though
>>>>the 1880 Oakland, CA census record indicates 1870 as arrival year.
>>>>- Mary Esabel Rodrigues gave birth to Mary Agnes Silva, Jan 24th
>>>>1868 in Buffalo, NY.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
>>>>- Mary gave birth to a second child named Joseph Silva, August 2,
>>>>1869 in Oakland, CA.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
>>>>- Using Oakland Directory records Maria is living at the same
>>>>address as Joseph Nichols.  Joseph Nichols is also written on the back 
>>>> of a
>>>>family photo I have, listed as Step Father to Mary Agnes Silva.
>>>>- Son, Joseph Silva changes name to Joseph Dyce.  Joseph Silva Dyce
>>>>shown on death cert and internment records.
>>>>- Joseph Nichols dies Sept 15, 1893.  I have death cert. Lists Mary
>>>>Roderick as maiden name of mother and Joseph Dyce as father.
>>>>- Maria Esabel Rodrigues now Maria Esabel Nichols dies in Oakland,
>>>>CA Nov 4, 1901.  I have death cert.
>>>>
>>>> Media
>>>>
>>>>- 1880 US Census Oakland, CA showing Joseph, Mary, Mary, Joseph.
>>>>Age of Mary shown as 40.  (Address ma

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues

[luiznoia .]

John,

Joseph Dyce and Marie Rogers had two children;

DYCE   GERALDIN   I   1913   05   04   RODGERS   FEMALE   SANTA CRUZ
 262687
 DYCE   GERALD   M   1914   09   23   RODGERS   MALE   SANTA CRUZ   310216

The 1920 census shows Marie and the children living with her father, Milton
P Rogers   at 99 Bay St, Santa Cruz.

Eric Edgar

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 12:24 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> John,
>
> Here is  marriage announcement for Joseph Dyce from 1912 . Green Valley is
> between Corralitos and Freedom in eastern Santa Cruz county.
>
> Marie Rogers is the daughter of Manuel P and Mary Rogers, both born in
> Portugal. She was born in Massachucetts in 1876 according to the 1910 census
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 12:08 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> I worked on this back in 2013 with you. I'll go back and comment on that
>> thread so all discussion can be seen again.
>>
>> Meanwhile I found one more news item on Joseph Dyce. This is from 1914,
>> and he is being transported to Watsonville as an indigent.
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:59 AM, "E" Sharp <bellema...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was thinking the same thing...Dyce/Dias.  Also what about
>>> Nicols/Nicholas??
>>>
>>> "E"
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
>>> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *Just some quick thoughts. The name Joseph Silva Dyce – I believe Dyce
>>>> is a phonetic spelling of Dias so in Portuguese records it would be Jose da
>>>> Silva Dias. Where did this Joseph Nichols come from? Did Jose da Silva Dias
>>>> die and Maria Isabel remarry? You kind of indicate this but you have no
>>>> death date for Jose da Silva Dias or a marriage record with Jose Nichols.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Have you done any DNA testing to see if you can get any matches with
>>>> an indication of which island and general location your ancestors may be
>>>> from?  *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Rick*
>>>>
>>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>>
>>>> *Epping, NH*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>>>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *John Machado
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:42 PM
>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have done a lot of research with nothing to show for her life before
>>>> coming to US.  I chose Angustius out of dumb luck to be honest.  I was
>>>> simply trying to look at baptism records around the birth date of Oct 26,
>>>> 1830 as a last ditch effort.  Angustius is simply where I started.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What I know.
>>>>
>>>>- Mary Esabel Rodrigues arrives in the US prior to 1868 even though
>>>>the 1880 Oakland, CA census record indicates 1870 as arrival year.
>>>>- Mary Esabel Rodrigues gave birth to Mary Agnes Silva, Jan 24th
>>>>1868 in Buffalo, NY.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
>>>>- Mary gave birth to a second child named Joseph Silva, August 2,
>>>>1869 in Oakland, CA.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
>>>>- Using Oakland Directory records Maria is living at the same
>>>>address as Joseph Nichols.  Joseph Nichols is also written on the back 
>>>> of a
>>>>family photo I have, listed as Step Father to Mary Agnes Silva.
>>>>- Son, Joseph Silva changes name to Joseph Dyce.  Joseph Silva Dyce
>>>>shown on death cert and internment records.
>>>>- Joseph Nichols dies Sept 15, 1893.  I have death cert. Lists Mary
>>>>Roderick as maiden name of mother and Joseph Dyce as father.
>>>>- Maria Esabel Rodrigues now Maria Esabel Nichols dies in Oakland,
>>>>CA Nov 4, 1901.  I have dea

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues

[Cheri Mello]

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Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 12:08 PM, luiznoia . <noblankt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> John,
>
> I worked on this back in 2013 with you. I'll go back and comment on that
> thread so all discussion can be seen again.
>
> Meanwhile I found one more news item on Joseph Dyce. This is from 1914,
> and he is being transported to Watsonville as an indigent.
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:59 AM, "E" Sharp <bellema...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was thinking the same thing...Dyce/Dias.  Also what about
>> Nicols/Nicholas??
>>
>> "E"
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
>> richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> *Just some quick thoughts. The name Joseph Silva Dyce – I believe Dyce
>>> is a phonetic spelling of Dias so in Portuguese records it would be Jose da
>>> Silva Dias. Where did this Joseph Nichols come from? Did Jose da Silva Dias
>>> die and Maria Isabel remarry? You kind of indicate this but you have no
>>> death date for Jose da Silva Dias or a marriage record with Jose Nichols.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Have you done any DNA testing to see if you can get any matches with an
>>> indication of which island and general location your ancestors may be
>>> from?  *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Rick*
>>>
>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>>>
>>> *Epping, NH*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
>>> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
>>> Behalf Of *John Machado
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:42 PM
>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have done a lot of research with nothing to show for her life before
>>> coming to US.  I chose Angustius out of dumb luck to be honest.  I was
>>> simply trying to look at baptism records around the birth date of Oct 26,
>>> 1830 as a last ditch effort.  Angustius is simply where I started.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What I know.
>>>
>>>- Mary Esabel Rodrigues arrives in the US prior to 1868 even though
>>>the 1880 Oakland, CA census record indicates 1870 as arrival year.
>>>- Mary Esabel Rodrigues gave birth to Mary Agnes Silva, Jan 24th
>>>1868 in Buffalo, NY.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
>>>- Mary gave birth to a second child named Joseph Silva, August 2,
>>>1869 in Oakland, CA.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
>>>- Using Oakland Directory records Maria is living at the same
>>>address as Joseph Nichols.  Joseph Nichols is also written on the back 
>>> of a
>>>family photo I have, listed as Step Father to Mary Agnes Silva.
>>>- Son, Joseph Silva changes name to Joseph Dyce.  Joseph Silva Dyce
>>>shown on death cert and internment records.
>>>- Joseph Nichols dies Sept 15, 1893.  I have death cert. Lists Mary
>>>Roderick as maiden name of mother and Joseph Dyce as father.
>>>- Maria Esabel Rodrigues now Maria Esabel Nichols dies in Oakland,
>>>CA Nov 4, 1901.  I have death cert.
>>>
>>> Media
>>>
>>>- 1880 US Census Oakland, CA showing Joseph, Mary, Mary, Joseph.
>>>Age of Mary shown as 40.  (Address matches City Directory Records)
>>>- Death Certificates for Maria Isabel Nichols, Joseph Nichols,
>>>Joseph Silva Dyce, Mary Agnes Silva.  Age of Mary shown as 70 at death in
>>>1901.
>>>- Numerous Oakland City Directories and voter registrations for
>>>Joseph Nichols and Mary Nichols.  Joseph Nichols first recorded in 
>>> Oakland
>>>1878 (City Directory)
>>>- 1900 US Census Oakland, CA showing Mary E Nichols.  Age of Mary
>>>show as 40.  (Address matches City Directory Records)
>>>- Newspaper 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues

["E" Sharp]

I was thinking the same thing...Dyce/Dias.  Also what about
Nicols/Nicholas??

"E"

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 10:44 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
richard.francis.pimen...@gmail.com> wrote:

> *Just some quick thoughts. The name Joseph Silva Dyce – I believe Dyce is
> a phonetic spelling of Dias so in Portuguese records it would be Jose da
> Silva Dias. Where did this Joseph Nichols come from? Did Jose da Silva Dias
> die and Maria Isabel remarry? You kind of indicate this but you have no
> death date for Jose da Silva Dias or a marriage record with Jose Nichols.*
>
>
>
> *Have you done any DNA testing to see if you can get any matches with an
> indication of which island and general location your ancestors may be
> from?  *
>
>
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *John Machado
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:42 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues
>
>
>
>
> I have done a lot of research with nothing to show for her life before
> coming to US.  I chose Angustius out of dumb luck to be honest.  I was
> simply trying to look at baptism records around the birth date of Oct 26,
> 1830 as a last ditch effort.  Angustius is simply where I started.
>
>
>
> What I know.
>
>- Mary Esabel Rodrigues arrives in the US prior to 1868 even though
>the 1880 Oakland, CA census record indicates 1870 as arrival year.
>- Mary Esabel Rodrigues gave birth to Mary Agnes Silva, Jan 24th 1868
>in Buffalo, NY.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
>- Mary gave birth to a second child named Joseph Silva, August 2, 1869
>in Oakland, CA.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
>- Using Oakland Directory records Maria is living at the same address
>as Joseph Nichols.  Joseph Nichols is also written on the back of a family
>photo I have, listed as Step Father to Mary Agnes Silva.
>- Son, Joseph Silva changes name to Joseph Dyce.  Joseph Silva Dyce
>shown on death cert and internment records.
>- Joseph Nichols dies Sept 15, 1893.  I have death cert. Lists Mary
>Roderick as maiden name of mother and Joseph Dyce as father.
>- Maria Esabel Rodrigues now Maria Esabel Nichols dies in Oakland, CA
>Nov 4, 1901.  I have death cert.
>
> Media
>
>- 1880 US Census Oakland, CA showing Joseph, Mary, Mary, Joseph.  Age
>of Mary shown as 40.  (Address matches City Directory Records)
>- Death Certificates for Maria Isabel Nichols, Joseph Nichols, Joseph
>Silva Dyce, Mary Agnes Silva.  Age of Mary shown as 70 at death in 1901.
>- Numerous Oakland City Directories and voter registrations for Joseph
>Nichols and Mary Nichols.  Joseph Nichols first recorded in Oakland 1878
>(City Directory)
>- 1900 US Census Oakland, CA showing Mary E Nichols.  Age of Mary show
>as 40.  (Address matches City Directory Records)
>- Newspaper obit is slight only saying native of azores, aged 70 and 9
>days.  Same as death cert.
>- The best evidence is a photo given to me by my grandmother.  In
>handwriting on the back, it tells who is in the photo.  Attached in the
>thread below.
>
> Could not find
>
>- Mary Agnes Silva birth cert (if exists)
>- Ship manifests for Mary Isabel Rodrigues and Joseph Silva.  Have no
>idea what island they are from.
>- What happened to Joseph Silva.
>- Parent names of Mary Esabel Rodrigues
>- Church records in Oakland, yet. (I just recently requested a records
>search at the Oakland Diocese)
>- Other newspaper tidbits except below:
>
> Joseph Silva Dyce died in 1915 and was a dead end. Nothing useful in the
> few records I could find.
>
>
>
> Another mystery find. I found a newspaper clipping in the notice section
> that read;
>
>
>
> *Dec 19, 1901 --Joseph Silva or Dyce, son of Mary Foote (Silva) deed to
> Mary A Pereira or Perry and C F Pereira, All int N park... *She may have
> changed her name or remarried for a third time to a Mr. Foote. I found a
> Mr. Foote living near by at the time of death.
>
>
>
> John Machado
>
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Just some quick thoughts. The name Joseph Silva Dyce – I believe Dyce is a 
phonetic spelling of Dias so in Portuguese records it would be Jose da Silva 
Dias. Where did this Joseph Nichols come from? Did Jose da Silva Dias die and 
Maria Isabel remarry? You kind of indicate this but you have no death date for 
Jose da Silva Dias or a marriage record with Jose Nichols.

 

Have you done any DNA testing to see if you can get any matches with an 
indication of which island and general location your ancestors may be from?  

 

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Machado
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:42 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues

 


I have done a lot of research with nothing to show for her life before coming 
to US.  I chose Angustius out of dumb luck to be honest.  I was simply trying 
to look at baptism records around the birth date of Oct 26, 1830 as a last 
ditch effort.  Angustius is simply where I started.  

 

What I know.

*   Mary Esabel Rodrigues arrives in the US prior to 1868 even though the 
1880 Oakland, CA census record indicates 1870 as arrival year.
*   Mary Esabel Rodrigues gave birth to Mary Agnes Silva, Jan 24th 1868 in 
Buffalo, NY.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
*   Mary gave birth to a second child named Joseph Silva, August 2, 1869 in 
Oakland, CA.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
*   Using Oakland Directory records Maria is living at the same address as 
Joseph Nichols.  Joseph Nichols is also written on the back of a family photo I 
have, listed as Step Father to Mary Agnes Silva.
*   Son, Joseph Silva changes name to Joseph Dyce.  Joseph Silva Dyce shown 
on death cert and internment records.
*   Joseph Nichols dies Sept 15, 1893.  I have death cert. Lists Mary 
Roderick as maiden name of mother and Joseph Dyce as father.
*   Maria Esabel Rodrigues now Maria Esabel Nichols dies in Oakland, CA Nov 
4, 1901.  I have death cert.

Media

*   1880 US Census Oakland, CA showing Joseph, Mary, Mary, Joseph.  Age of 
Mary shown as 40.  (Address matches City Directory Records)
*   Death Certificates for Maria Isabel Nichols, Joseph Nichols, Joseph 
Silva Dyce, Mary Agnes Silva.  Age of Mary shown as 70 at death in 1901.
*   Numerous Oakland City Directories and voter registrations for Joseph 
Nichols and Mary Nichols.  Joseph Nichols first recorded in Oakland 1878 (City 
Directory)
*   1900 US Census Oakland, CA showing Mary E Nichols.  Age of Mary show as 
40.  (Address matches City Directory Records)
*   Newspaper obit is slight only saying native of azores, aged 70 and 9 
days.  Same as death cert.
*   The best evidence is a photo given to me by my grandmother.  In 
handwriting on the back, it tells who is in the photo.  Attached in the thread 
below.

Could not find

*   Mary Agnes Silva birth cert (if exists)
*   Ship manifests for Mary Isabel Rodrigues and Joseph Silva.  Have no 
idea what island they are from.
*   What happened to Joseph Silva.  
*   Parent names of Mary Esabel Rodrigues
*   Church records in Oakland, yet. (I just recently requested a records 
search at the Oakland Diocese)
*   Other newspaper tidbits except below:

Joseph Silva Dyce died in 1915 and was a dead end. Nothing useful in the few 
records I could find.

 

Another mystery find. I found a newspaper clipping in the notice section that 
read; 

 

Dec 19, 1901 --Joseph Silva or Dyce, son of Mary Foote (Silva) deed to Mary A 
Pereira or Perry and C F Pereira, All int N park... She may have changed her 
name or remarried for a third time to a Mr. Foote. I found a Mr. Foote living 
near by at the time of death.

 

John Machado




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues

[Cheri Mello]

John M,

I think I found you in the Azores DNA project. I'll review your matches
tonight when I get home. Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> John M,
>
> I cannot duplicate any of the searches that you have listed.
>
> Are you a descendant of the child, Mary Agnes Silva, born 1868, or a
> descendant of Joseph Silva, born 1869?
>
> Did you DNA test yet? The Azores project is now large enough to give you
> at least an island group if not the island. I'd need to know what you have
> on your whole tree though.
> Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 7:41 PM, John Machado 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I have done a lot of research with nothing to show for her life before
>> coming to US.  I chose Angustius out of dumb luck to be honest.  I was
>> simply trying to look at baptism records around the birth date of Oct 26,
>> 1830 as a last ditch effort.  Angustius is simply where I started.
>>
>> What I know.
>>
>>- Mary Esabel Rodrigues arrives in the US prior to 1868 even though
>>the 1880 Oakland, CA census record indicates 1870 as arrival year.
>>- Mary Esabel Rodrigues gave birth to Mary Agnes Silva, Jan 24th 1868
>>in Buffalo, NY.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
>>- Mary gave birth to a second child named Joseph Silva, August 2,
>>1869 in Oakland, CA.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
>>- Using Oakland Directory records Maria is living at the same address
>>as Joseph Nichols.  Joseph Nichols is also written on the back of a family
>>photo I have, listed as Step Father to Mary Agnes Silva.
>>- Son, Joseph Silva changes name to Joseph Dyce.  Joseph Silva Dyce
>>shown on death cert and internment records.
>>- Joseph Nichols dies Sept 15, 1893.  I have death cert. Lists Mary
>>Roderick as maiden name of mother and Joseph Dyce as father.
>>- Maria Esabel Rodrigues now Maria Esabel Nichols dies in Oakland, CA
>>Nov 4, 1901.  I have death cert.
>>
>> Media
>>
>>- 1880 US Census Oakland, CA showing Joseph, Mary, Mary, Joseph.  Age
>>of Mary shown as 40.  (Address matches City Directory Records)
>>- Death Certificates for Maria Isabel Nichols, Joseph Nichols, Joseph
>>Silva Dyce, Mary Agnes Silva.  Age of Mary shown as 70 at death in 1901.
>>- Numerous Oakland City Directories and voter registrations for
>>Joseph Nichols and Mary Nichols.  Joseph Nichols first recorded in Oakland
>>1878 (City Directory)
>>- 1900 US Census Oakland, CA showing Mary E Nichols.  Age of Mary
>>show as 40.  (Address matches City Directory Records)
>>- Newspaper obit is slight only saying native of azores, aged 70 and
>>9 days.  Same as death cert.
>>- The best evidence is a photo given to me by my grandmother.  In
>>handwriting on the back, it tells who is in the photo.  Attached in the
>>thread below.
>>
>> Could not find
>>
>>- Mary Agnes Silva birth cert (if exists)
>>- Ship manifests for Mary Isabel Rodrigues and Joseph Silva.  Have no
>>idea what island they are from.
>>- What happened to Joseph Silva.
>>- Parent names of Mary Esabel Rodrigues
>>- Church records in Oakland, yet. (I just recently requested a
>>records search at the Oakland Diocese)
>>- Other newspaper tidbits except below:
>>
>> Joseph Silva Dyce died in 1915 and was a dead end. Nothing useful in the
>> few records I could find.
>>
>> Another mystery find. I found a newspaper clipping in the notice section
>> that read;
>>
>> *Dec 19, 1901 --Joseph Silva or Dyce, son of Mary Foote (Silva) **deed
>> to Mary A Pereira or Perry and C F Pereira, All int N park... *She may
>> have changed her name or remarried for a third time to a Mr. Foote. I found
>> a Mr. Foote living near by at the time of death.
>>
>> John Machado
>>
>> On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 1:31:29 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> John M,
>>>
>>> Any post over 30 days old is closed. I suggest you just explain again
>>> who you are looking for and what you have done so far (U.S. Census,
>>> naturalization, obituaries, etc). In the past 5 years we have several
>>> hundred new members so it would be good to post again. Someone in the past
>>> 5 years may have your answer!
>>>
>>> I have no clue as to why you are picking Angustius in Horta on Faial
>>> island. Maybe it's her and maybe it's not. The Azores are 9 islands with
>>> approximately 165 church parishes to look at. I'm sure I could find another
>>> Maria born approximately on the date you provide in at least half the
>>> parishes in the Azores. That would put you on a wild goose chase.
>>>
>>> Not knowing what other research you have done, no one can evaluate your
>>> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues

[Cheri Mello]

John M,

I cannot duplicate any of the searches that you have listed.

Are you a descendant of the child, Mary Agnes Silva, born 1868, or a
descendant of Joseph Silva, born 1869?

Did you DNA test yet? The Azores project is now large enough to give you at
least an island group if not the island. I'd need to know what you have on
your whole tree though.
Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 7:41 PM, John Machado 
wrote:

>
> I have done a lot of research with nothing to show for her life before
> coming to US.  I chose Angustius out of dumb luck to be honest.  I was
> simply trying to look at baptism records around the birth date of Oct 26,
> 1830 as a last ditch effort.  Angustius is simply where I started.
>
> What I know.
>
>- Mary Esabel Rodrigues arrives in the US prior to 1868 even though
>the 1880 Oakland, CA census record indicates 1870 as arrival year.
>- Mary Esabel Rodrigues gave birth to Mary Agnes Silva, Jan 24th 1868
>in Buffalo, NY.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
>- Mary gave birth to a second child named Joseph Silva, August 2, 1869
>in Oakland, CA.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
>- Using Oakland Directory records Maria is living at the same address
>as Joseph Nichols.  Joseph Nichols is also written on the back of a family
>photo I have, listed as Step Father to Mary Agnes Silva.
>- Son, Joseph Silva changes name to Joseph Dyce.  Joseph Silva Dyce
>shown on death cert and internment records.
>- Joseph Nichols dies Sept 15, 1893.  I have death cert. Lists Mary
>Roderick as maiden name of mother and Joseph Dyce as father.
>- Maria Esabel Rodrigues now Maria Esabel Nichols dies in Oakland, CA
>Nov 4, 1901.  I have death cert.
>
> Media
>
>- 1880 US Census Oakland, CA showing Joseph, Mary, Mary, Joseph.  Age
>of Mary shown as 40.  (Address matches City Directory Records)
>- Death Certificates for Maria Isabel Nichols, Joseph Nichols, Joseph
>Silva Dyce, Mary Agnes Silva.  Age of Mary shown as 70 at death in 1901.
>- Numerous Oakland City Directories and voter registrations for Joseph
>Nichols and Mary Nichols.  Joseph Nichols first recorded in Oakland 1878
>(City Directory)
>- 1900 US Census Oakland, CA showing Mary E Nichols.  Age of Mary show
>as 40.  (Address matches City Directory Records)
>- Newspaper obit is slight only saying native of azores, aged 70 and 9
>days.  Same as death cert.
>- The best evidence is a photo given to me by my grandmother.  In
>handwriting on the back, it tells who is in the photo.  Attached in the
>thread below.
>
> Could not find
>
>- Mary Agnes Silva birth cert (if exists)
>- Ship manifests for Mary Isabel Rodrigues and Joseph Silva.  Have no
>idea what island they are from.
>- What happened to Joseph Silva.
>- Parent names of Mary Esabel Rodrigues
>- Church records in Oakland, yet. (I just recently requested a records
>search at the Oakland Diocese)
>- Other newspaper tidbits except below:
>
> Joseph Silva Dyce died in 1915 and was a dead end. Nothing useful in the
> few records I could find.
>
> Another mystery find. I found a newspaper clipping in the notice section
> that read;
>
> *Dec 19, 1901 --Joseph Silva or Dyce, son of Mary Foote (Silva) **deed to
> Mary A Pereira or Perry and C F Pereira, All int N park... *She may have
> changed her name or remarried for a third time to a Mr. Foote. I found a
> Mr. Foote living near by at the time of death.
>
> John Machado
>
> On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 1:31:29 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> John M,
>>
>> Any post over 30 days old is closed. I suggest you just explain again who
>> you are looking for and what you have done so far (U.S. Census,
>> naturalization, obituaries, etc). In the past 5 years we have several
>> hundred new members so it would be good to post again. Someone in the past
>> 5 years may have your answer!
>>
>> I have no clue as to why you are picking Angustius in Horta on Faial
>> island. Maybe it's her and maybe it's not. The Azores are 9 islands with
>> approximately 165 church parishes to look at. I'm sure I could find another
>> Maria born approximately on the date you provide in at least half the
>> parishes in the Azores. That would put you on a wild goose chase.
>>
>> Not knowing what other research you have done, no one can evaluate your
>> evidence and give you their thoughts on if it's the correct Maria or not.
>> So please explain what research you have done, why you are picking
>> Angustias, if you know your Mary/Maria's siblings or parents, etc.
>> Thanks, Cheri
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 10:31 PM, John Machado 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues

[John Machado]

I have done a lot of research with nothing to show for her life before 
coming to US.  I chose Angustius out of dumb luck to be honest.  I was 
simply trying to look at baptism records around the birth date of Oct 26, 
1830 as a last ditch effort.  Angustius is simply where I started.  

What I know.

   - Mary Esabel Rodrigues arrives in the US prior to 1868 even though the 
   1880 Oakland, CA census record indicates 1870 as arrival year.
   - Mary Esabel Rodrigues gave birth to Mary Agnes Silva, Jan 24th 1868 in 
   Buffalo, NY.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
   - Mary gave birth to a second child named Joseph Silva, August 2, 1869 
   in Oakland, CA.  Joseph Silva listed as father.
   - Using Oakland Directory records Maria is living at the same address as 
   Joseph Nichols.  Joseph Nichols is also written on the back of a family 
   photo I have, listed as Step Father to Mary Agnes Silva.
   - Son, Joseph Silva changes name to Joseph Dyce.  Joseph Silva Dyce 
   shown on death cert and internment records.
   - Joseph Nichols dies Sept 15, 1893.  I have death cert. Lists Mary 
   Roderick as maiden name of mother and Joseph Dyce as father.
   - Maria Esabel Rodrigues now Maria Esabel Nichols dies in Oakland, CA 
   Nov 4, 1901.  I have death cert.

Media

   - 1880 US Census Oakland, CA showing Joseph, Mary, Mary, Joseph.  Age of 
   Mary shown as 40.  (Address matches City Directory Records)
   - Death Certificates for Maria Isabel Nichols, Joseph Nichols, Joseph 
   Silva Dyce, Mary Agnes Silva.  Age of Mary shown as 70 at death in 1901.
   - Numerous Oakland City Directories and voter registrations for Joseph 
   Nichols and Mary Nichols.  Joseph Nichols first recorded in Oakland 1878 
   (City Directory)
   - 1900 US Census Oakland, CA showing Mary E Nichols.  Age of Mary show 
   as 40.  (Address matches City Directory Records)
   - Newspaper obit is slight only saying native of azores, aged 70 and 9 
   days.  Same as death cert.
   - The best evidence is a photo given to me by my grandmother.  In 
   handwriting on the back, it tells who is in the photo.  Attached in the 
   thread below.

Could not find

   - Mary Agnes Silva birth cert (if exists)
   - Ship manifests for Mary Isabel Rodrigues and Joseph Silva.  Have no 
   idea what island they are from.
   - What happened to Joseph Silva.  
   - Parent names of Mary Esabel Rodrigues
   - Church records in Oakland, yet. (I just recently requested a records 
   search at the Oakland Diocese)
   - Other newspaper tidbits except below:

Joseph Silva Dyce died in 1915 and was a dead end. Nothing useful in the 
few records I could find.

Another mystery find. I found a newspaper clipping in the notice section 
that read; 

*Dec 19, 1901 --Joseph Silva or Dyce, son of Mary Foote (Silva) **deed to 
Mary A Pereira or Perry and C F Pereira, All int N park... *She may have 
changed her name or remarried for a third time to a Mr. Foote. I found a 
Mr. Foote living near by at the time of death.

John Machado

On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 1:31:29 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> John M,
>
> Any post over 30 days old is closed. I suggest you just explain again who 
> you are looking for and what you have done so far (U.S. Census, 
> naturalization, obituaries, etc). In the past 5 years we have several 
> hundred new members so it would be good to post again. Someone in the past 
> 5 years may have your answer!
>
> I have no clue as to why you are picking Angustius in Horta on Faial 
> island. Maybe it's her and maybe it's not. The Azores are 9 islands with 
> approximately 165 church parishes to look at. I'm sure I could find another 
> Maria born approximately on the date you provide in at least half the 
> parishes in the Azores. That would put you on a wild goose chase.
>
> Not knowing what other research you have done, no one can evaluate your 
> evidence and give you their thoughts on if it's the correct Maria or not. 
> So please explain what research you have done, why you are picking 
> Angustias, if you know your Mary/Maria's siblings or parents, etc.
> Thanks, Cheri
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 10:31 PM, John Machado  > wrote:
>
>> I came to the group back in 2013 trying to resolve a mystery.  The 
>> subject of the mystery was Maria Isabel Rodrigues.  I posted for help back 
>> then: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/TAUQcfAZdrg/discussion 
>> 
>>   
>> I couldn't find my original post.
>>
>> For the past almost five years I've been searching.  I can't mentally 
>> move forward with the rest of my tree until I resolve this mystery.  
>> Tonight, I found a baptismal record that might be the 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues

[Cheri Mello]

John M,

Any post over 30 days old is closed. I suggest you just explain again who
you are looking for and what you have done so far (U.S. Census,
naturalization, obituaries, etc). In the past 5 years we have several
hundred new members so it would be good to post again. Someone in the past
5 years may have your answer!

I have no clue as to why you are picking Angustius in Horta on Faial
island. Maybe it's her and maybe it's not. The Azores are 9 islands with
approximately 165 church parishes to look at. I'm sure I could find another
Maria born approximately on the date you provide in at least half the
parishes in the Azores. That would put you on a wild goose chase.

Not knowing what other research you have done, no one can evaluate your
evidence and give you their thoughts on if it's the correct Maria or not.
So please explain what research you have done, why you are picking
Angustias, if you know your Mary/Maria's siblings or parents, etc.
Thanks, Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 10:31 PM, John Machado 
wrote:

> I came to the group back in 2013 trying to resolve a mystery.  The subject
> of the mystery was Maria Isabel Rodrigues.  I posted for help back then:
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/TAUQcfAZdrg/discussion
> 
> I couldn't find my original post.
>
> For the past almost five years I've been searching.  I can't mentally move
> forward with the rest of my tree until I resolve this mystery.  Tonight, I
> found a baptismal record that might be the link.  I ask for the groups help
> in translating it.   Record weblink: 0008
> .
> Hopefully, this is the one.
>
> I have a photo of the ancestor.  Written on the back was the name  Mary
> Isabel Rodrigues Silva Nichols.  On her death certificate it states she was
> 70 years and 9 days old when she died Nov 4, 1901.  The puts her birth
> October 26, 1831.  I believe the record I've found is from 1830 but the
> Month and day are correct.  I'd like to hear what others think if this is
> the correct baptismal record.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
> 
>
>
>
> Thank you,
> John Machado
> Castro Valley, CA
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

This looks like a strong possibility of being the correct birth record. If you 
have not already done so I would go forward two years to make sure there is not 
another Maria close to the birth date of Oct 26 1830. But remember that date is 
based on the death an very well may be off by a year. I would also check the 
Obits to make sure Maria did not die because according to the record you found 
she was baptized at home because they thought she would not live. 

 

It reads Maria daughter of Andre Rodrigues and his wife Maria Isabel. Natives 
of the parish of NS. Angustias, paternal grandparents Manuel Rodrigues and 
Jancia Joaquina, maternal grandparents  Jose Francisco and Francisca Thomasia 
Born 25 Oct 1830 and baptized at home because of danger of death by the midwife 
Ignacia Resendes (?) God parents are Jose Francisco and Francisco Thomasia.

 

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Machado
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 1:31 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues

 

I came to the group back in 2013 trying to resolve a mystery.  The subject of 
the mystery was Maria Isabel Rodrigues.  I posted for help back then: 
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/TAUQcfAZdrg/discussion 
<https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=j==s=web=1=0ahUKEwiGuYP7kf_ZAhWEyIMKHex7AJoQFggpMAA=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Ftopic%2Fazores%2FTAUQcfAZdrg=AOvVaw3Fd4ZlYppEikNhfL8wbuYR>
   I couldn't find my original post.

 

For the past almost five years I've been searching.  I can't mentally move 
forward with the rest of my tree until I resolve this mystery.  Tonight, I 
found a baptismal record that might be the link.  I ask for the groups help in 
translating it.   Record weblink: 0008 
<http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-ANGUSTIAS-B-1830-1835/FAL-HT-ANGUSTIAS-B-1830-1835_item1/P8.html>
 .  Hopefully, this is the one.

 

I have a photo of the ancestor.  Written on the back was the name  Mary Isabel 
Rodrigues Silva Nichols.  On her death certificate it states she was 70 years 
and 9 days old when she died Nov 4, 1901.  The puts her birth October 26, 1831. 
 I believe the record I've found is from 1830 but the Month and day are 
correct.  I'd like to hear what others think if this is the correct baptismal 
record.

 

 

 
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Thank you,

John Machado

Castro Valley, CA

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Isabel Rodrigues

[John Machado]

I came to the group back in 2013 trying to resolve a mystery.  The subject 
of the mystery was Maria Isabel Rodrigues.  I posted for help back then: 
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/TAUQcfAZdrg/discussion 

  
I couldn't find my original post.

For the past almost five years I've been searching.  I can't mentally move 
forward with the rest of my tree until I resolve this mystery.  Tonight, I 
found a baptismal record that might be the link.  I ask for the groups help 
in translating it.   Record weblink: 0008 
.
 
 Hopefully, this is the one.

I have a photo of the ancestor.  Written on the back was the name  Mary 
Isabel Rodrigues Silva Nichols.  On her death certificate it states she was 
70 years and 9 days old when she died Nov 4, 1901.  The puts her birth 
October 26, 1831.  I believe the record I've found is from 1830 but the 
Month and day are correct.  I'd like to hear what others think if this is 
the correct baptismal record.







 

 




Thank you,
John Machado
Castro Valley, CA

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