Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..YDNA

[Sherry Phillips Swatek]

Great! I will see if I can find it. If there are quite a few participants at 
least it’s something! 

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> On Jan 14, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> 
> Y-DNA, mtDNA, and autosomal DNA (Family Finder) are all housed in the Azores 
> DNA project. We accept all types of DNA. :)
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 6:58 PM Sherry Phillips Swatek 
>>  wrote:
>> Quick question. Is there a Y group of Portuguese descendants? With the price 
>> about half now of what I paid on another line, I thought it worth another 
>> inquiry.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Sherry
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Anthony Silver  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks Cheri.
>>> 
>>> whats an ossuary? 
>>> From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
>>> Mello 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
>>> To: Azores Genealogy 
>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..
>>>  
>>> Hi Anthony,
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just 
>>> configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.
>>> 
>>> You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family 
>>> has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains 
>>> are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary. 
>>> Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find 
>>> tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.
>>> 
>>> Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores. 
>>> No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all 
>>> related.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..YDNA

[Cheri Mello]

Y-DNA, mtDNA, and autosomal DNA (Family Finder) are all housed in the
Azores DNA project. We accept all types of DNA. :)
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 6:58 PM Sherry Phillips Swatek <
storytelle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Quick question. Is there a Y group of Portuguese descendants? With the
> price about half now of what I paid on another line, I thought it worth
> another inquiry.
>
> Thank you,
> Sherry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Anthony Silver 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Thanks Cheri.
>
> whats an ossuary?
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry
> ..
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just
> configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.
>
> You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family
> has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains
> are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary.
> Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find
> tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.
>
> Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores.
> No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all
> related.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..YDNA

[Sherry Phillips Swatek]

Quick question. Is there a Y group of Portuguese descendants? With the price 
about half now of what I paid on another line, I thought it worth another 
inquiry.

Thank you,
Sherry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2020, at 4:53 PM, Anthony Silver  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks Cheri.
> 
> whats an ossuary? 
> From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
> Mello 
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
> To: Azores Genealogy 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..
>  
> Hi Anthony,
> 
> I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just 
> configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.
> 
> You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family has 
> been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains are 
> left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary. Every 
> freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find tombstones. But 
> your relatives may not be there.
> 
> Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores. No, 
> they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all related.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

An ossuary is where the bones of the dead (from many people) are
deposited.  It solves the space problem for burial on the islands.  Seven
years after the original burial, bones are dug up and put into the church
depository called an ossuary.  If a family wanted to continue to pay for
the burial site, they could keep the plot longer.

Debbie


On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:53 PM Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> Thanks Cheri.
>
> whats an ossuary?
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry
> ..
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just
> configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.
>
> You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family
> has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains
> are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary.
> Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find
> tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.
>
> Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores.
> No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all
> related.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Anthony,

It's a place to put the bones.

Merriam-Webster says: a depository for the bones of the dead
Dictionary.com says: a place or receptacle for the bones of the dead

On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 4:02 PM Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> Thanks Cheri.
>
> whats an ossuary?
> --
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Cheri Mello 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry
> ..
>
> Hi Anthony,
>
> I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just
> configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.
>
> You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family
> has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains
> are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary.
> Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find
> tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.
>
> Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores.
> No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all
> related.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Anthony Silver]

Thanks Cheri.

whats an ossuary?

From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Cheri 
Mello 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 January 2020 3:48 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

Hi Anthony,

I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just 
configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.

You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family has 
been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains are left 
7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary. Every freguesia 
now has a cemetery and that is where you will find tombstones. But your 
relatives may not be there.

Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores. No, 
they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all related.

Hope this helps,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Anthony,

I'm not sure, but I think all the ports physically exist. They are just
configured differently. The on in Ponta Delgada can take cruise ships now.

You won't find the graves for your 2 greats, unless someone in the family
has been paying the rent on them for all this time. Typically, the remains
are left 7 years and then the bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary.
Every freguesia now has a cemetery and that is where you will find
tombstones. But your relatives may not be there.

Silva is either the number 1 or number 2 most common name in the Azores.
No, they are not all related, just like all Jones and Smiths are not all
related.

Hope this helps,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Anthony Silver]

questions for anyone who may happen to know the answer/s: 

are there any ports in azores, that still exist, from the 1800's ? 

where in Azores would I find any graves for the parents of my great 
grandfather ? 

and, is the surname of da silva common in azores; are they all related to 
each other?  




On Monday, December 2, 2019 at 3:28:31 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>
> wow Pam, that's, incredible.
> I know of one tree on ancestry but the person hasn't contacted me yet. 
> unfortunately I don't know what happened to Peter, being the oldest of 
> Catherine's sons. 
> apparently he died at sea in 1909. 
> Paul James is my line, and Francis is the other line. 
> wow. 
>
> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:55 AM Pamela Hand  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for clarifying Cheri.
>> I had the same thoughts but good to have your thoughts on it too.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 10:43, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Faial (old spelling Fayal) is an island. Faial da Terra is a freguesia 
>>> on Sao Miguel island. 
>>>
>>> When an ancestor (especially in that time period) says they are from 
>>> Faial/Fayal, they mean the island. Either the Ancestry system cannot handle 
>>> the island alone or the place field suggested Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel. 
>>> The tree owner is probably completely ignorant of the geography of the 
>>> Azores and just went with it, without any investigating or thought.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 1:51 PM Pamela Hand  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Anthony

 There are a few trees on ancestry.com for Joseph Silver who died 18 
 Aug 1908 at “Ebbeville” Upper Manila NSW. He married Catherina (Katie) 
 Nowland in 1876 and had 11 or 12 children. Two sons survived to adulthood: 
 Francis Laurence and Paul James Silver.

 This Joseph Silver arrived in Sydney on 9 Dec 1864, aged 26 (placing 
 his birth around 1838) from Wellington NZ. He was one of a crew of 8+ the 
 captain. The official records show his birth nation as ”Fayal”, which I 
 would assume is Faial, one of the western islands of the Azores. However 
 the trees on Ancestry have his birth listed as 1841 in Faial da Terra on 
 the island of Sao Miguel. I am inclined to go with the western Island of 
 Faial as more likely, because Faial was listed as the nation not the 
 village. Perhaps someone more familiar with Sao Miguel and Faial da Terra 
 could help here. 

 To find where on the island of Faial is a bit trickier. You would need 
 to research the records for each Freguesia (village) for around the time 
 of 
 his birth 1838-1841 or maybe enlist the help of one of this groups 
 genealogists.  

 The Manila historical Society could help with obituary etc on 
 www.manillamuseum.org.au or 02 67851207 9-4pm Thursday for historian. 
 You might get lucky with parents names and birth village.

 Happy to help further so you can contact me on my email directly, if 
 you wish.  My ancestor from the western island of Flores was a very 
 similar 
 timeframe to your Joseph Silver.
 Pam
  


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 thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:

> what I know, is that he is from somewhere in the azores.
> he came to Australia by ship, but which one, back in the 1850's 
> sometime.
> he died here in aus, in nsw, being the town of manilla.
> there is a genealogy society in Sydney, which I am yet to try.
> even his naturalization, and marriage cert had limited info on it.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 3:25 AM Pamela Hand  
> wrote:
>
>> If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give 
>> a clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x 
>> great grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It 
>> also 
>> told the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where 
>> he 
>> died and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. 
>> They 
>> are always very helpful.
>>
>> My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia 
>> and New Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were 
>> often 
>> shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was 
>> a 
>> hard life on these ships.
>>
>> You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores. 
>> Then you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as 
>> Cheri 
>> has already suggested.
>> Good luck
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver <
>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Pam .. 
>>>
>>> yeah you're right, though i don't know for 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Anthony Silver]

wow Pam, that's, incredible.
I know of one tree on ancestry but the person hasn't contacted me yet.
unfortunately I don't know what happened to Peter, being the oldest of
Catherine's sons.
apparently he died at sea in 1909.
Paul James is my line, and Francis is the other line.
wow.

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:55 AM Pamela Hand  wrote:

> Thanks for clarifying Cheri.
> I had the same thoughts but good to have your thoughts on it too.
>
>
>
> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 10:43, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Faial (old spelling Fayal) is an island. Faial da Terra is a freguesia on
>> Sao Miguel island.
>>
>> When an ancestor (especially in that time period) says they are from
>> Faial/Fayal, they mean the island. Either the Ancestry system cannot handle
>> the island alone or the place field suggested Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel.
>> The tree owner is probably completely ignorant of the geography of the
>> Azores and just went with it, without any investigating or thought.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 1:51 PM Pamela Hand 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Anthony
>>>
>>> There are a few trees on ancestry.com for Joseph Silver who died 18 Aug
>>> 1908 at “Ebbeville” Upper Manila NSW. He married Catherina (Katie) Nowland
>>> in 1876 and had 11 or 12 children. Two sons survived to adulthood: Francis
>>> Laurence and Paul James Silver.
>>>
>>> This Joseph Silver arrived in Sydney on 9 Dec 1864, aged 26 (placing his
>>> birth around 1838) from Wellington NZ. He was one of a crew of 8+ the
>>> captain. The official records show his birth nation as ”Fayal”, which I
>>> would assume is Faial, one of the western islands of the Azores. However
>>> the trees on Ancestry have his birth listed as 1841 in Faial da Terra on
>>> the island of Sao Miguel. I am inclined to go with the western Island of
>>> Faial as more likely, because Faial was listed as the nation not the
>>> village. Perhaps someone more familiar with Sao Miguel and Faial da Terra
>>> could help here.
>>>
>>> To find where on the island of Faial is a bit trickier. You would need
>>> to research the records for each Freguesia (village) for around the time of
>>> his birth 1838-1841 or maybe enlist the help of one of this groups
>>> genealogists.
>>>
>>> The Manila historical Society could help with obituary etc on
>>> www.manillamuseum.org.au or 02 67851207 9-4pm Thursday for historian.
>>> You might get lucky with parents names and birth village.
>>>
>>> Happy to help further so you can contact me on my email directly, if you
>>> wish.  My ancestor from the western island of Flores was a very similar
>>> timeframe to your Joseph Silver.
>>> Pam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 16:57, Anthony Silver <
>>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 what I know, is that he is from somewhere in the azores.
 he came to Australia by ship, but which one, back in the 1850's
 sometime.
 he died here in aus, in nsw, being the town of manilla.
 there is a genealogy society in Sydney, which I am yet to try.
 even his naturalization, and marriage cert had limited info on it.


 On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 3:25 AM Pamela Hand 
 wrote:

> If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give
> a clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x
> great grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It 
> also
> told the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where 
> he
> died and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. They
> are always very helpful.
>
> My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia
> and New Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were 
> often
> shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was a
> hard life on these ships.
>
> You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores.
> Then you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as Cheri
> has already suggested.
> Good luck
>
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver <
> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey Pam ..
>>
>> yeah you're right, though i don't know for sure whether that is him
>> for not.
>> im one of his descendents, trying to trace his life, when he lived in
>> azores, somewhere
>> how he got to Aus, from azores, is something I want to know, not just
>> his life in azores.
>> thankyou
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Pamela Hand 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Anthony
>>> There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in
>>> Sydney NSW on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship
>>> embarked from St Johns New Brunswick Canada.
>>> Do you have 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Pamela Hand]

Thanks for clarifying Cheri.
I had the same thoughts but good to have your thoughts on it too.



On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 10:43, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Faial (old spelling Fayal) is an island. Faial da Terra is a freguesia on
> Sao Miguel island.
>
> When an ancestor (especially in that time period) says they are from
> Faial/Fayal, they mean the island. Either the Ancestry system cannot handle
> the island alone or the place field suggested Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel.
> The tree owner is probably completely ignorant of the geography of the
> Azores and just went with it, without any investigating or thought.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 1:51 PM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anthony
>>
>> There are a few trees on ancestry.com for Joseph Silver who died 18 Aug
>> 1908 at “Ebbeville” Upper Manila NSW. He married Catherina (Katie) Nowland
>> in 1876 and had 11 or 12 children. Two sons survived to adulthood: Francis
>> Laurence and Paul James Silver.
>>
>> This Joseph Silver arrived in Sydney on 9 Dec 1864, aged 26 (placing his
>> birth around 1838) from Wellington NZ. He was one of a crew of 8+ the
>> captain. The official records show his birth nation as ”Fayal”, which I
>> would assume is Faial, one of the western islands of the Azores. However
>> the trees on Ancestry have his birth listed as 1841 in Faial da Terra on
>> the island of Sao Miguel. I am inclined to go with the western Island of
>> Faial as more likely, because Faial was listed as the nation not the
>> village. Perhaps someone more familiar with Sao Miguel and Faial da Terra
>> could help here.
>>
>> To find where on the island of Faial is a bit trickier. You would need to
>> research the records for each Freguesia (village) for around the time of
>> his birth 1838-1841 or maybe enlist the help of one of this groups
>> genealogists.
>>
>> The Manila historical Society could help with obituary etc on
>> www.manillamuseum.org.au or 02 67851207 9-4pm Thursday for historian.
>> You might get lucky with parents names and birth village.
>>
>> Happy to help further so you can contact me on my email directly, if you
>> wish.  My ancestor from the western island of Flores was a very similar
>> timeframe to your Joseph Silver.
>> Pam
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 16:57, Anthony Silver <
>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> what I know, is that he is from somewhere in the azores.
>>> he came to Australia by ship, but which one, back in the 1850's sometime.
>>> he died here in aus, in nsw, being the town of manilla.
>>> there is a genealogy society in Sydney, which I am yet to try.
>>> even his naturalization, and marriage cert had limited info on it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 3:25 AM Pamela Hand 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give a
 clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x great
 grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It also told
 the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where he died
 and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. They are
 always very helpful.

 My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia and
 New Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were often
 shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was a
 hard life on these ships.

 You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores.
 Then you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as Cheri
 has already suggested.
 Good luck

 On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver <
 thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Pam ..
>
> yeah you're right, though i don't know for sure whether that is him
> for not.
> im one of his descendents, trying to trace his life, when he lived in
> azores, somewhere
> how he got to Aus, from azores, is something I want to know, not just
> his life in azores.
> thankyou
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anthony
>> There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in Sydney
>> NSW on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship embarked 
>> from
>> St Johns New Brunswick Canada.
>> Do you have any idea where he settled in Australia or where his
>> descendants lived?
>> Hope this helps
>> Pam
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 17:19, Anthony Silver <
>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> South Australia ???
>>>
>>> ha ha ha .. not that I know of ..
>>>
>>> but hey, anything is possible in this regard ..
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver
>>> 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Cheri Mello]

P.S. SOME of Faial (island) is indexed on CITCEM:
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.html
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 10:43 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Faial (old spelling Fayal) is an island. Faial da Terra is a freguesia on
> Sao Miguel island.
>
> When an ancestor (especially in that time period) says they are from
> Faial/Fayal, they mean the island. Either the Ancestry system cannot handle
> the island alone or the place field suggested Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel.
> The tree owner is probably completely ignorant of the geography of the
> Azores and just went with it, without any investigating or thought.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 1:51 PM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anthony
>>
>> There are a few trees on ancestry.com for Joseph Silver who died 18 Aug
>> 1908 at “Ebbeville” Upper Manila NSW. He married Catherina (Katie) Nowland
>> in 1876 and had 11 or 12 children. Two sons survived to adulthood: Francis
>> Laurence and Paul James Silver.
>>
>> This Joseph Silver arrived in Sydney on 9 Dec 1864, aged 26 (placing his
>> birth around 1838) from Wellington NZ. He was one of a crew of 8+ the
>> captain. The official records show his birth nation as ”Fayal”, which I
>> would assume is Faial, one of the western islands of the Azores. However
>> the trees on Ancestry have his birth listed as 1841 in Faial da Terra on
>> the island of Sao Miguel. I am inclined to go with the western Island of
>> Faial as more likely, because Faial was listed as the nation not the
>> village. Perhaps someone more familiar with Sao Miguel and Faial da Terra
>> could help here.
>>
>> To find where on the island of Faial is a bit trickier. You would need to
>> research the records for each Freguesia (village) for around the time of
>> his birth 1838-1841 or maybe enlist the help of one of this groups
>> genealogists.
>>
>> The Manila historical Society could help with obituary etc on
>> www.manillamuseum.org.au or 02 67851207 9-4pm Thursday for historian.
>> You might get lucky with parents names and birth village.
>>
>> Happy to help further so you can contact me on my email directly, if you
>> wish.  My ancestor from the western island of Flores was a very similar
>> timeframe to your Joseph Silver.
>> Pam
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 16:57, Anthony Silver <
>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> what I know, is that he is from somewhere in the azores.
>>> he came to Australia by ship, but which one, back in the 1850's sometime.
>>> he died here in aus, in nsw, being the town of manilla.
>>> there is a genealogy society in Sydney, which I am yet to try.
>>> even his naturalization, and marriage cert had limited info on it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 3:25 AM Pamela Hand 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give a
 clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x great
 grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It also told
 the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where he died
 and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. They are
 always very helpful.

 My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia and
 New Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were often
 shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was a
 hard life on these ships.

 You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores.
 Then you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as Cheri
 has already suggested.
 Good luck

 On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver <
 thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Pam ..
>
> yeah you're right, though i don't know for sure whether that is him
> for not.
> im one of his descendents, trying to trace his life, when he lived in
> azores, somewhere
> how he got to Aus, from azores, is something I want to know, not just
> his life in azores.
> thankyou
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anthony
>> There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in Sydney
>> NSW on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship embarked 
>> from
>> St Johns New Brunswick Canada.
>> Do you have any idea where he settled in Australia or where his
>> descendants lived?
>> Hope this helps
>> Pam
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 17:19, Anthony Silver <
>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> South Australia ???
>>>
>>> ha ha ha .. not that I know of ..
>>>
>>> but hey, 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Cheri Mello]

Faial (old spelling Fayal) is an island. Faial da Terra is a freguesia on
Sao Miguel island.

When an ancestor (especially in that time period) says they are from
Faial/Fayal, they mean the island. Either the Ancestry system cannot handle
the island alone or the place field suggested Faial da Terra on Sao Miguel.
The tree owner is probably completely ignorant of the geography of the
Azores and just went with it, without any investigating or thought.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 1:51 PM Pamela Hand  wrote:

> Hi Anthony
>
> There are a few trees on ancestry.com for Joseph Silver who died 18 Aug
> 1908 at “Ebbeville” Upper Manila NSW. He married Catherina (Katie) Nowland
> in 1876 and had 11 or 12 children. Two sons survived to adulthood: Francis
> Laurence and Paul James Silver.
>
> This Joseph Silver arrived in Sydney on 9 Dec 1864, aged 26 (placing his
> birth around 1838) from Wellington NZ. He was one of a crew of 8+ the
> captain. The official records show his birth nation as ”Fayal”, which I
> would assume is Faial, one of the western islands of the Azores. However
> the trees on Ancestry have his birth listed as 1841 in Faial da Terra on
> the island of Sao Miguel. I am inclined to go with the western Island of
> Faial as more likely, because Faial was listed as the nation not the
> village. Perhaps someone more familiar with Sao Miguel and Faial da Terra
> could help here.
>
> To find where on the island of Faial is a bit trickier. You would need to
> research the records for each Freguesia (village) for around the time of
> his birth 1838-1841 or maybe enlist the help of one of this groups
> genealogists.
>
> The Manila historical Society could help with obituary etc on
> www.manillamuseum.org.au or 02 67851207 9-4pm Thursday for historian. You
> might get lucky with parents names and birth village.
>
> Happy to help further so you can contact me on my email directly, if you
> wish.  My ancestor from the western island of Flores was a very similar
> timeframe to your Joseph Silver.
> Pam
>
>
>
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 16:57, Anthony Silver 
> wrote:
>
>> what I know, is that he is from somewhere in the azores.
>> he came to Australia by ship, but which one, back in the 1850's sometime.
>> he died here in aus, in nsw, being the town of manilla.
>> there is a genealogy society in Sydney, which I am yet to try.
>> even his naturalization, and marriage cert had limited info on it.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 3:25 AM Pamela Hand 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give a
>>> clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x great
>>> grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It also told
>>> the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where he died
>>> and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. They are
>>> always very helpful.
>>>
>>> My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia and
>>> New Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were often
>>> shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was a
>>> hard life on these ships.
>>>
>>> You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores. Then
>>> you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as Cheri has
>>> already suggested.
>>> Good luck
>>>
>>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver <
>>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hey Pam ..

 yeah you're right, though i don't know for sure whether that is him for
 not.
 im one of his descendents, trying to trace his life, when he lived in
 azores, somewhere
 how he got to Aus, from azores, is something I want to know, not just
 his life in azores.
 thankyou

 On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Pamela Hand 
 wrote:

> Hi Anthony
> There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in Sydney
> NSW on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship embarked 
> from
> St Johns New Brunswick Canada.
> Do you have any idea where he settled in Australia or where his
> descendants lived?
> Hope this helps
> Pam
>
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 17:19, Anthony Silver <
> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> South Australia ???
>>
>> ha ha ha .. not that I know of ..
>>
>> but hey, anything is possible in this regard ..
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>>
>>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>>
>>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find
>>> info online ???
>>>
>>> one resource I have looked at is 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Pamela Hand]

Hi Anthony

There are a few trees on ancestry.com for Joseph Silver who died 18 Aug
1908 at “Ebbeville” Upper Manila NSW. He married Catherina (Katie) Nowland
in 1876 and had 11 or 12 children. Two sons survived to adulthood: Francis
Laurence and Paul James Silver.

This Joseph Silver arrived in Sydney on 9 Dec 1864, aged 26 (placing his
birth around 1838) from Wellington NZ. He was one of a crew of 8+ the
captain. The official records show his birth nation as ”Fayal”, which I
would assume is Faial, one of the western islands of the Azores. However
the trees on Ancestry have his birth listed as 1841 in Faial da Terra on
the island of Sao Miguel. I am inclined to go with the western Island of
Faial as more likely, because Faial was listed as the nation not the
village. Perhaps someone more familiar with Sao Miguel and Faial da Terra
could help here.

To find where on the island of Faial is a bit trickier. You would need to
research the records for each Freguesia (village) for around the time of
his birth 1838-1841 or maybe enlist the help of one of this groups
genealogists.

The Manila historical Society could help with obituary etc on
www.manillamuseum.org.au or 02 67851207 9-4pm Thursday for historian. You
might get lucky with parents names and birth village.

Happy to help further so you can contact me on my email directly, if you
wish.  My ancestor from the western island of Flores was a very similar
timeframe to your Joseph Silver.
Pam



On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 at 16:57, Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> what I know, is that he is from somewhere in the azores.
> he came to Australia by ship, but which one, back in the 1850's sometime.
> he died here in aus, in nsw, being the town of manilla.
> there is a genealogy society in Sydney, which I am yet to try.
> even his naturalization, and marriage cert had limited info on it.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 3:25 AM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
>> If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give a
>> clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x great
>> grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It also told
>> the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where he died
>> and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. They are
>> always very helpful.
>>
>> My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia and
>> New Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were often
>> shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was a
>> hard life on these ships.
>>
>> You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores. Then
>> you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as Cheri has
>> already suggested.
>> Good luck
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver <
>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Pam ..
>>>
>>> yeah you're right, though i don't know for sure whether that is him for
>>> not.
>>> im one of his descendents, trying to trace his life, when he lived in
>>> azores, somewhere
>>> how he got to Aus, from azores, is something I want to know, not just
>>> his life in azores.
>>> thankyou
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Pamela Hand 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Anthony
 There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in Sydney
 NSW on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship embarked from
 St Johns New Brunswick Canada.
 Do you have any idea where he settled in Australia or where his
 descendants lived?
 Hope this helps
 Pam

 On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 17:19, Anthony Silver <
 thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:

> South Australia ???
>
> ha ha ha .. not that I know of ..
>
> but hey, anything is possible in this regard ..
>
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver
> wrote:
>>
>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>
>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>
>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
>> online ???
>>
>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Anthony Silver]

what I know, is that he is from somewhere in the azores.
he came to Australia by ship, but which one, back in the 1850's sometime.
he died here in aus, in nsw, being the town of manilla.
there is a genealogy society in Sydney, which I am yet to try.
even his naturalization, and marriage cert had limited info on it.


On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 3:25 AM Pamela Hand  wrote:

> If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give a
> clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x great
> grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It also told
> the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where he died
> and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. They are
> always very helpful.
>
> My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia and
> New Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were often
> shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was a
> hard life on these ships.
>
> You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores. Then
> you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as Cheri has
> already suggested.
> Good luck
>
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Pam ..
>>
>> yeah you're right, though i don't know for sure whether that is him for
>> not.
>> im one of his descendents, trying to trace his life, when he lived in
>> azores, somewhere
>> how he got to Aus, from azores, is something I want to know, not just his
>> life in azores.
>> thankyou
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Pamela Hand 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Anthony
>>> There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in Sydney
>>> NSW on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship embarked from
>>> St Johns New Brunswick Canada.
>>> Do you have any idea where he settled in Australia or where his
>>> descendants lived?
>>> Hope this helps
>>> Pam
>>>
>>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 17:19, Anthony Silver <
>>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 South Australia ???

 ha ha ha .. not that I know of ..

 but hey, anything is possible in this regard ..


 On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver
 wrote:
>
> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>
> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>
> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
> online ???
>
> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Pamela Hand]

If you can search for an obituary for your Joseph Silver, it may give a
clue. That was a very useful source of information for my Azorean 2x great
grandfather. It gave us his village and island in the Azores. It also told
the story of how he came to Australia. You would need to know where he died
and search the newspapers or contact the local historical group. They are
always very helpful.

My understanding is that some of the Azoreans who came to Australia and New
Zealand were recruited onto American whaling ships. They were often
shipwrecked as in my ancestors case or jumped ship, as I believe it was a
hard life on these ships.

You need to know the village or freguesia and island in the Azores. Then
you can search the archives. Also consider doing DNA testing as Cheri has
already suggested.
Good luck

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 18:07, Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> Hey Pam ..
>
> yeah you're right, though i don't know for sure whether that is him for
> not.
> im one of his descendents, trying to trace his life, when he lived in
> azores, somewhere
> how he got to Aus, from azores, is something I want to know, not just his
> life in azores.
> thankyou
>
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Pamela Hand 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anthony
>> There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in Sydney NSW
>> on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship embarked from St
>> Johns New Brunswick Canada.
>> Do you have any idea where he settled in Australia or where his
>> descendants lived?
>> Hope this helps
>> Pam
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 17:19, Anthony Silver <
>> thecoloursilver...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> South Australia ???
>>>
>>> ha ha ha .. not that I know of ..
>>>
>>> but hey, anything is possible in this regard ..
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:

 hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.

 the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.

 does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
 online ???

 one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Anthony Silver]

Hey Pam ..

yeah you're right, though i don't know for sure whether that is him for not.
im one of his descendents, trying to trace his life, when he lived in
azores, somewhere
how he got to Aus, from azores, is something I want to know, not just his
life in azores.
thankyou

On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Pamela Hand  wrote:

> Hi Anthony
> There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in Sydney NSW
> on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship embarked from St
> Johns New Brunswick Canada.
> Do you have any idea where he settled in Australia or where his
> descendants lived?
> Hope this helps
> Pam
>
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 17:19, Anthony Silver 
> wrote:
>
>> South Australia ???
>>
>> ha ha ha .. not that I know of ..
>>
>> but hey, anything is possible in this regard ..
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>>>
>>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>>
>>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>>
>>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
>>> online ???
>>>
>>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Pamela Hand]

Hi Anthony
There is a Joseph Silver born Portugal abt.1837 who arrived in Sydney NSW
on the “India” on 1 April 1859. He was aged 22y. The ship embarked from St
Johns New Brunswick Canada.
Do you have any idea where he settled in Australia or where his
descendants lived?
Hope this helps
Pam

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wrote:

> South Australia ???
>
> ha ha ha .. not that I know of ..
>
> but hey, anything is possible in this regard ..
>
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>>
>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>
>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>
>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
>> online ???
>>
>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Anthony Silver]

South Australia ??? 

ha ha ha .. not that I know of .. 

but hey, anything is possible in this regard .. 


On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>
> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal. 
>
> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>
> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info 
> online ??? 
>
> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au 
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[E. Sharp]

Are you talking about mainland Portugal?  You can try contacting Torre do Tombo 
in Lisbon. Also website familysearch.org has some records online. Also google 
Portugal genealogy to see if there are genealogist in one of those sites to 
help you but be prepared to pay for these services. I have been to Torre do 
Tombo and I believe most, if not all, their records are located there.  They 
also charge  a fee.  Depending on what you are looking for, I would hire 
someone over there to
do the research for you.  That’s what I ended up doing years ago as I do not 
read or speak the language. 

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> On Nov 25, 2019, at 4:34 PM, Anthony Silver  
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> is there some sort of genealogy organization in Portugal that I can contact. 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Cheri Mello]

No. You have to figure out which island and freguesia your ancestor came
from. It takes a bit of time and effort. Researching an immigrant ancestor
is not easy.
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
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> is there some sort of genealogy organization in Portugal that I can
> contact ?
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 11:13:23 AM UTC+11, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Basically, you take the Family Finder test and I look at your Matches. I
>> can tell you if they are researching Sao Miguel island, Flores island, etc.
>> And if you are real lucky, you may find a 2nd cousin who has a tree with
>> your freguesia (village).
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 4:11 PM Anthony Silver 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> and what are the clusters ???
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:

 hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.

 the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.

 does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
 online ???

 one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

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is there some sort of genealogy organization in Portugal that I can contact 
? 

On Tuesday, November 26, 2019 at 11:13:23 AM UTC+11, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Basically, you take the Family Finder test and I look at your Matches. I 
> can tell you if they are researching Sao Miguel island, Flores island, etc. 
> And if you are real lucky, you may find a 2nd cousin who has a tree with 
> your freguesia (village).
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 4:11 PM Anthony Silver  > wrote:
>
>> and what are the clusters ??? 
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>>>
>>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal. 
>>>
>>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>>
>>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info 
>>> online ??? 
>>>
>>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au 
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Cheri Mello]

Basically, you take the Family Finder test and I look at your Matches. I
can tell you if they are researching Sao Miguel island, Flores island, etc.
And if you are real lucky, you may find a 2nd cousin who has a tree with
your freguesia (village).
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 4:11 PM Anthony Silver 
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> and what are the clusters ???
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>>
>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>
>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>
>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
>> online ???
>>
>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Anthony Silver]

and what are the clusters ??? 

On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
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> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal. 
>
> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>
> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info 
> online ??? 
>
> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au 
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Cheri Mello]

Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) has allowed for volunteer group administrators to
oversee projects. One was created for the Azores and I over see it. We have
2200-2300 members. Because we pool our DNA in a project it allows for us
admins to observe patterns and clusters. Once we get the clusters going, we
will be able to get a better idea of how long our DNA was in a location and
help identify those with no idea where they came from (such as yourself).
For those with fragmented DNA, we may be able to help them focus their
research - they will have an idea of where to look. Also, there are tools
for those in group projects. You can toggle on or off the comparing with
others in the project vs. the whole FTDNA database. Also, as our endogamy
starts to take shape, we will be able to get a better handle on that as
well.
Hope that helps,
Cheri Mello
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On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 3:56 PM Anthony Silver 
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> so whats the DNA project ?
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>>
>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>
>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>
>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
>> online ???
>>
>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Anthony Silver]

so whats the DNA project ?

On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
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> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal. 
>
> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>
> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info 
> online ??? 
>
> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au 
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Cheri Mello]

The 1850s emigration out of the Azores had no photos or portraits. You have
a name and a general date. You need a place. Unless another Australian has
an idea, you'll have to turn to DNA and see where your matches are
researching. The Azores DNA Project on Family Tree DNA is clustering up
nicely now :)
Cheri Mello
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> I do have one picture of him, which is a portrait.
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>>
>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>
>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>
>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
>> online ???
>>
>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Anthony Silver]

I do have one picture of him, which is a portrait.

On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>
> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal. 
>
> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>
> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info 
> online ??? 
>
> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au 
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Anthony,

I did not see a Jose Silva or Silveira on the Water Lily that went to
Australia in 1853 (I think).

You'll have to use Australian sources to track him there, see if he
naturalized, if his obituary said anything, etc. I'm sure those in
Australia who have traced their Azorean ancestor may be able to help.

You can use DNA in conjunction with the paper trail too. We've got over
2200-2300 people in the Azores DNA Project on Family Tree DNA. They are
most likely going to have another sale beginning on Friday to kick off the
holiday season. I'll post that announcement to the list on Friday. You'll
want to test the oldest family member on that side. So if you have a parent
or aunt/uncle, test them first. If there is no one living except you, then
test yourself.

I'll keep the list posted,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 3:03 PM Anthony Silver 
wrote:

> well, the name of my grandfather, 5 or 6 generations ago, is Joseph
> Silver, born somewhere in the azores, around 1836.
> he that's about all I know.
> he took a ship, and came to Australia, from 1850 something.
> the info I have is quite limited.
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>>
>> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal.
>>
>> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>>
>> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info
>> online ???
>>
>> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au
>>
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree And Portuguese Ancestry ..

[Anthony Silver]

well, the name of my grandfather, 5 or 6 generations ago, is Joseph Silver, 
born somewhere in the azores, around 1836.
he that's about all I know. 
he took a ship, and came to Australia, from 1850 something. 
the info I have is quite limited. 

On Monday, November 25, 2019 at 12:14:33 PM UTC+11, Anthony Silver wrote:
>
> hello, i'm tracing ancestry, back to Portugal. 
>
> the info I have of one particular person is quite limited.
>
> does anyone have any suggestions or ideas as to where I can find info 
> online ??? 
>
> one resource I have looked at is marinersandships.com.au 
>
>
>

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