Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
On Monday, December 16, 2013 9:36:12 AM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote: Interesting Eric E. I few years ago I was in Hawaii and I went on a tour of a sugar plantation there. The tour guide did say that the first wave of laborers were Chinese bachelors. And China is on a continent. Being a bunch of bachelors who weren't used to an island environment created a bit of a dilemma. I don't remember the tour guide's exact words anymore, but being bachelors they partied too much after hours, rabble roused, went stir-crazy due to being on islands, etc. So the plantation owners thought that bringing over entire families who were used to living on islands would be much more calming. So they initially recruited from the Azores and Madeira, which was successful, then from the Philippines. Correct. The plantation owners realized that a lot of these single men would (usually) fulfill their contract and immediately return home with what they've earned. This was after they began recruiting from Japan. So they realized that recruiting people by families would allow the laborers not to leave and continue to work. So that's what they did with Portugal and found that those who lived on islands were well suited to remain in the Hawaiian islands. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
Try Googling Puuhonua. It's on the Kona coast: Puuhonua o Honaunau National Historical Park. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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If no one answers you, email Mel direct at islandroutes at gmail.com She's the Portuguese-Hawaiian expert! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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This is from an Azores government council report on emigration. Eric Edgar The great migration of Portuguese settlers from Madeira, the Azores and the Portuguese mainland to Hawaii was during the years 1878 to 1913. The story is of epic proportions, involving the movement across two oceans of more than twenty thousand people. Although the great migration of Portuguese to Hawaii began in 1878, a small number of Portuguese were present in the Hawaiian Islands as early as 1787. Little is known about these early Portuguese residents. They came to Hawaii as whalers and other seamen who took to the land for one reason or another while their ships were harbored in the Islands. The first Portuguese identified by name was João Elliot de Castro who arrived in Hawaii about 1814 and served on the personal staff of King Kamehameha the Great. The early Portuguese became recognized for their hard work and thrift. They generally purchased land as soon as they were financially able. Some became cattle ranchers and dairymen, and others engaged in various agricultural pursuits. Their numbers increased gradually during the Nineteenth Century until, on the eve of the great migration, there were over four hundred Portuguese in the Hawaiian Kingdom. The Portuguese migration to Hawaii was fueled by poor economic conditions in the mother country, and particularly in Madeira. The production and export of fine wines had been for many years the mainstay of the Madeiran economy. During the 1850’s, however, the vineyards were laid waste by a blight that crippled the wine industry for decades. Unemployment and hunger followed the destruction of the vineyards. As conditions worsened, Madeirans looked for a better way of life in Brazil, the United States and Hawaii. During this same period, the Kingdom of Hawaii was in need of laborers for her sugar plantations. The large scale cultivation of sugar depended upon a continuous supply of inexpensive labor. The demand for plantation workers increased after Hawaii concluded a Reciprocity Treaty with the United States in 1876, which facilitated the exportation of Hawaiian sugar. The dramatic decline of the Hawaiian population had caused planters and government officials to look abroad for suitable immigrants to work the land and increase the population of the Kingdom. Several thousand Chinese emigrated to Hawaii during the 1860’s and 1870’s. Yet the Chinese seldom brought their families, and distinct cultural differences between the Chinese and other residents of Hawaii caused many of the latter to demand an end to the large scale importation of workers from China. In 1876, Mr. Jacintho Pereira, a Portuguese citizen and proprietor of a successful dry goods store in Honolulu, came forward with an interesting idea. Pereira suggested that the Hawaiian government investigate the possibility of solving Hawaii’s labor and population problems by encouraging the immigration of Portuguese from Madeira. The government contacted Dr. William Hillebrand who was living at that time in Funchal. Hillbrand acted as Hawaii’s agent, and carried out all of the details required to place the first contingent of Portuguese immigrants aboard the Priscilla. Portuguese Settlers to Hawaii, 1878-1913 1. September 30, 1878 Ship Priscilla (German bark) arrived 116 days out from Funchal, Madeira, with 80 men, 40 women, 60 children. Total 180. (Portuguese consular documents indicate approximately 120 passengers). 2. August 23, 1879 Ship Ravenscrag (British) arrived 123 days out from Madeira with 133 men, 110 women, 176 children. Total 419. 3. January 24, 1880 Ship High Flyer (British bark) arrived 99 days out from St. Michael, Azores, with 109 men, 81 women, 147 children. Total 337. 4. May 2, 1881 Ship High Flyer (British bark) arrived 130 days out from St. Michael, Azores, with 173 men, 66 women, 113 children. Total 352. 5. August 25, 1881 Ship Suffolk (British bark) arrived 102 days out from St. Michael, Azores, with 206 men, 100 women, 182 children. 6. March 27, 1882 Ship Earl Delhausie (British bark) arrived 113 days out from St. Michael, Azores, with 94 men, 82 women, 146 children. Total 322. 7. June 8, 1882 Steamship Monarch (British) arrived 57 days out from St. Michael, Azores, with 202 men, 197 women, 458 children. Total 857. 8. September 15, 1882 Steamship Hansa (British) arrived 70 days out from Azores, with 307 men, 286 women, 584 children. Total 1177. 9. May 4, 1883 Steamship Abergeldie (British) arrived 62 days out from Azores, with 264 men, 190 women, 484 children. Total 938 . 10. July 9, 1883 Steamship Hankow (British) arrived 66 days out from St. Michael, Azores, Madeira with 427 men, 317 women, 718 children. Total 1462. 11. November 1, 1883 Steamship Bell Rock (British) arrived 99 days out from Azores, with 109 men, 81 women,147 children. Total 337 . 12. June 13, 1884 Steamship City of Paris (British) arrived 74 days out from Madeira St. Michael, Azores, with 295 men, 199 women, 330
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
Interesting Eric E. I few years ago I was in Hawaii and I went on a tour of a sugar plantation there. The tour guide did say that the first wave of laborers were Chinese bachelors. And China is on a continent. Being a bunch of bachelors who weren't used to an island environment created a bit of a dilemma. I don't remember the tour guide's exact words anymore, but being bachelors they partied too much after hours, rabble roused, went stir-crazy due to being on islands, etc. So the plantation owners thought that bringing over entire families who were used to living on islands would be much more calming. So they initially recruited from the Azores and Madeira, which was successful, then from the Philippines. Eric's information came from an Azores government publication and mine came from a sugar plantation tour guide. Those new to genealogy can see how stories can change and now you know why some of us tell you to take your family stories with a grain of salt. The basic truth is there. You've got to cut through some of the embellishments to find the truth. And evaluate the source. Which source is more reliable? This is what genealogists do. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
I'll guess that the tour guide didn't mention that the sugar cane was brought from Madeira where it had been well established since the 1500s. Pineapple was also a export crop of Madeira and Sao Miguel before cultivation started in Hawaii. I't pretty clear that besides surfing, most of what people identify as Hawaiian is actually Portuguese in origin, sugar cane, pineapple, ukulele Eric Edgar On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting Eric E. I few years ago I was in Hawaii and I went on a tour of a sugar plantation there. The tour guide did say that the first wave of laborers were Chinese bachelors. And China is on a continent. Being a bunch of bachelors who weren't used to an island environment created a bit of a dilemma. I don't remember the tour guide's exact words anymore, but being bachelors they partied too much after hours, rabble roused, went stir-crazy due to being on islands, etc. So the plantation owners thought that bringing over entire families who were used to living on islands would be much more calming. So they initially recruited from the Azores and Madeira, which was successful, then from the Philippines. Eric's information came from an Azores government publication and mine came from a sugar plantation tour guide. Those new to genealogy can see how stories can change and now you know why some of us tell you to take your family stories with a grain of salt. The basic truth is there. You've got to cut through some of the embellishments to find the truth. And evaluate the source. Which source is more reliable? This is what genealogists do. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
Eric E, The tour guide may have mentioned the info about the sugar cane and the pineapple. I also did the pineapple plantation tour too. My ancestors were involved in pineapple on Sao Miguel. Guess that's why they wound up involved in fruit here, although it was apricots! -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
Your welcome Eric. On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Eric Gomes gomes.ances...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Group, I called the Oakland FHC this afternoon before they closed. A friend answered the phone and he told me how to look at their holdings. From the FamilySearch.org Website, you select Search and then Catalog on the next line. A search box opens and you can search by film. Below the window where you enter the film number you can choose to limit your search to a specific Family History Center. The long and the short of it... they have the film I am looking for. I have to try and get there next week as they are closed between Christmas and New Years. It should not be too difficult since I work in Oakland about 8 miles from the library. Thanks for the other info as well. Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA p.s. I still need to work on learning Portuguese. =) On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 1:05 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: I can confirm there was heavy emigration from Madeira to Hawaii. Maybe even equal to that of Sao Miguel. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message It is my understanding that the Hawaiians recruited heavily from both the Azores and Madeira. The ship to Hawaii left from Funchal, Madeira and Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel. That's why there's more S.Miguel people to Hawaii than the other 8 Azores islands. As for how much from Madeira versus the Azores, I don't know. Hope someone else does. Cheri Mello -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA Surnames: Gomes, Smith, Townsend, Lopes, Cabral, Erwin, Kennedy, Rodman, Rodrigues, and many more. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
Thanks so much for the instructions, Eric! Rosemarie From: Eric Gomes Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 10:40 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages Hi Group, I called the Oakland FHC this afternoon before they closed. A friend answered the phone and he told me how to look at their holdings. From the FamilySearch.org Website, you select Search and then Catalog on the next line. A search box opens and you can search by film. Below the window where you enter the film number you can choose to limit your search to a specific Family History Center. The long and the short of it... they have the film I am looking for. I have to try and get there next week as they are closed between Christmas and New Years. It should not be too difficult since I work in Oakland about 8 miles from the library. Thanks for the other info as well. Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA p.s. I still need to work on learning Portuguese. =) On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 1:05 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: I can confirm there was heavy emigration from Madeira to Hawaii. Maybe even equal to that of Sao Miguel. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message It is my understanding that the Hawaiians recruited heavily from both the Azores and Madeira. The ship to Hawaii left from Funchal, Madeira and Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel. That's why there's more S.Miguel people to Hawaii than the other 8 Azores islands. As for how much from Madeira versus the Azores, I don't know. Hope someone else does. Cheri Mello -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA Surnames: Gomes, Smith, Townsend, Lopes, Cabral, Erwin, Kennedy, Rodman, Rodrigues, and many more. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
Eric G, I'm not so sure. I followed the instructions. I copied a film number for Ribeira das Tainhas. It's a pretty small freguesia. It looks like most of America has it, a couple of FHCs in Taiwan (huh what?), South Africa, and London. Yet no one in Canada has it. And I think Shirley Allegre has it in Portola, California and I KNOW North Dartmouth, Massachusetts has it and it's not listed. So I ran the Ponta Garca marriages because I know N.Dartmouth has it, Shirley Allegre in Portola has it, Eileen in Chicago has it, I have it in Los Angeles, and I believe there's a copy in Oakland, California. I got the same list. It shows Los Angeles, but not Portola, N. Dartmoth, Oakland, or Chicago. Yet Taiwan and S. Africa has it. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. I'll ask for a demonstration the next time I'm at the FHC. It'll be great if I can get it to work. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
It was funny to see my name in this email. Haha. If the films in the drawers chat after hours, my brave little pod of Azorean films is the lone Portuguese voice in a sea of primarily Polish (lots of Polish - this is Chicago!), German, and Italian records. And of course, the good old US of A. Eileen in Chicagoland From: Cheri Mello [mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 10:42 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages Eric G, I'm not so sure. I followed the instructions. I copied a film number for Ribeira das Tainhas. It's a pretty small freguesia. It looks like most of America has it, a couple of FHCs in Taiwan (huh what?), South Africa, and London. Yet no one in Canada has it. And I think Shirley Allegre has it in Portola, California and I KNOW North Dartmouth, Massachusetts has it and it's not listed. So I ran the Ponta Garca marriages because I know N.Dartmouth has it, Shirley Allegre in Portola has it, Eileen in Chicago has it, I have it in Los Angeles, and I believe there's a copy in Oakland, California. I got the same list. It shows Los Angeles, but not Portola, N. Dartmoth, Oakland, or Chicago. Yet Taiwan and S. Africa has it. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. I'll ask for a demonstration the next time I'm at the FHC. It'll be great if I can get it to work. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
Wow, Thank you for the great response and assistance. It's always amazing how the group can do more than the single person. I appreciate it. Sorry for the late response, I really only have time on the weekends to work on Ancestry stuff where I can actually sit down and put a little mind power to it. Gail M: The 1900 Census in Hilo, Hawaii, it says that her husband was Naturalized. In the 1910 and 1920 Census both say that he is an Alien. He was killed by a train in Oakland on June 10, 1927 (exactly 45 years to the day before I was born.) In 1930 and 1940 she is again Naturalized. Ed: Thank you for all of the resources. I am going to be busy for a couple of weeks/years. Gail E.: In 1900 they were in Hilo, Hawaii. I know that my great grandfather was born there in 1897. I don't have much more information there. Cheri: Unfortunately, she doesn't remember much anymore. Especially about her grandparents generation. She has no memory of her grandfather's because they were both killed by trains (one when she was three days old and the other mentioned above when she was 3 years old.) And yes, I will order the test today. I had been concentrating on how I was going to get her brother to take the test. He'll be 94 in January and failed to think about my grandmother (probably because of the Y DNA thing.) Just curious, how common were the immigrants from Madeira? My Gomes Side is from Madeira Island and they arrived in 1906. Shirley: I don't have the tree traced back further than this generation on this branch. So, presently I am unaware of any other siblings. Pam: Thank you. Family History Library Question: Does anyone know if there is a way to see what films are at each FHL??? I go to the Oakland Library a lot. And I don't want to order the film if they already have it. =) Thanks again, Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote: Here is possibly their marriage? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FW8N-F9N On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Shirley Allegre shir...@digitalpath.netwrote: Hi Eric: I just tried to find your Manuel Rodrigues in Bob de Mello's book, but it doesn't start until 1879. Do you know if Manuel and Isabel Marie had any siblings? Shirley in CA - Original Message - *From:* Eric Gomes gomes.ances...@gmail.com *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Monday, December 09, 2013 12:23 AM *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages Hi group, I have been thinking about my great great grandparents lately. They are Manuel Rodrigues and Isabel Marie ???. They are my grandmother's paternal grandparents. From what I can gather, both were born in the Azores (not sure where yet.) However, there was an age gap of 14 to 16 years between them. He was born in 1854 and she was born in 1870 - 1872. According to the 1920 census, he immigrated to Hawaii in 1874 and she in 1890. Unfortunately, the census takers made an error here because according to the 1900 Census when they were living in Hawaii, their oldest son was born in Hawaii in 1886. My great-grandfather, Joaquin Rodrigues was born on the Big Island on December 1, 1897. I do not know her maiden name and my grandmother cannot remember it. She is now 87 years old. I have also tried to locate both of them on the passenger lists on LUSAWEB.com without success. I presume they were married in Hawaii. I am wondering if there is a resource for church records on the islands? In some of the census's, it says that she was Naturalized. I am going to check to see if she is in the databases at the local court house the next time I am over there. Just wanted to bounce this off the group and see if anyone else has any ideas. The family moved to California by the 1910 Census. Any thoughts will help. Thanks Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA -- Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA Surnames: Gomes, Smith, Townsend, Lopes, Cabral, Erwin, Kennedy, Rodman, Rodrigues, and many more. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
Eric, I believe that Oakland FHC has all of the film for the Azores. This was according to Eloise Cadinha who used to research there and ordered them. Someone who lives in Oakland and researches there could probably tell you for sure. I don’t know what if any they have for Madeira but the Madeirian records are online at their Archive site. Cheri has their addy handy but I think if you type in Arquivo da Madeira records it will come up. Rosemarie From: Eric Gomes Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 9:35 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages Wow, Thank you for the great response and assistance. It's always amazing how the group can do more than the single person. I appreciate it. Sorry for the late response, I really only have time on the weekends to work on Ancestry stuff where I can actually sit down and put a little mind power to it. Gail M: The 1900 Census in Hilo, Hawaii, it says that her husband was Naturalized. In the 1910 and 1920 Census both say that he is an Alien. He was killed by a train in Oakland on June 10, 1927 (exactly 45 years to the day before I was born.) In 1930 and 1940 she is again Naturalized. Ed: Thank you for all of the resources. I am going to be busy for a couple of weeks/years. Gail E.: In 1900 they were in Hilo, Hawaii. I know that my great grandfather was born there in 1897. I don't have much more information there. Cheri: Unfortunately, she doesn't remember much anymore. Especially about her grandparents generation. She has no memory of her grandfather's because they were both killed by trains (one when she was three days old and the other mentioned above when she was 3 years old.) And yes, I will order the test today. I had been concentrating on how I was going to get her brother to take the test. He'll be 94 in January and failed to think about my grandmother (probably because of the Y DNA thing.) Just curious, how common were the immigrants from Madeira? My Gomes Side is from Madeira Island and they arrived in 1906. Shirley: I don't have the tree traced back further than this generation on this branch. So, presently I am unaware of any other siblings. Pam: Thank you. Family History Library Question: Does anyone know if there is a way to see what films are at each FHL??? I go to the Oakland Library a lot. And I don't want to order the film if they already have it. =) Thanks again, Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote: Here is possibly their marriage? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FW8N-F9N On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Shirley Allegre shir...@digitalpath.net wrote: Hi Eric: I just tried to find your Manuel Rodrigues in Bob de Mello's book, but it doesn't start until 1879. Do you know if Manuel and Isabel Marie had any siblings? Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Eric Gomes To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 12:23 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages Hi group, I have been thinking about my great great grandparents lately. They are Manuel Rodrigues and Isabel Marie ???. They are my grandmother's paternal grandparents. From what I can gather, both were born in the Azores (not sure where yet.) However, there was an age gap of 14 to 16 years between them. He was born in 1854 and she was born in 1870 - 1872. According to the 1920 census, he immigrated to Hawaii in 1874 and she in 1890. Unfortunately, the census takers made an error here because according to the 1900 Census when they were living in Hawaii, their oldest son was born in Hawaii in 1886. My great-grandfather, Joaquin Rodrigues was born on the Big Island on December 1, 1897. I do not know her maiden name and my grandmother cannot remember it. She is now 87 years old. I have also tried to locate both of them on the passenger lists on LUSAWEB.com without success. I presume they were married in Hawaii. I am wondering if there is a resource for church records on the islands? In some of the census's, it says that she was Naturalized. I am going to check to see if she is in the databases at the local court house the next time I am over there. Just wanted to bounce this off the group and see if anyone else has any ideas. The family moved to California by the 1910 Census. Any thoughts will help. Thanks Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA -- Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA Surnames: Gomes, Smith, Townsend, Lopes, Cabral, Erwin, Kennedy, Rodman, Rodrigues, and many more. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area
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Eric G, The FHCs used to have a feature within their center where you could see which FHC had which film. But I think they nixed that about 10 years ago. If there was a replacement, no one at my FHC told me (at that time. I haven't asked since). I thought only North Dartmouth, Massachusetts had all 9 of the Azores islands. I thought Oakland, California had A LOT though. Maybe they have a complete set too and I didn't know about that. I know N. Dartmouth has the complete set. Their FHC got a large donation and George Pacheco told me that the money went to buy all the films for all of the Azores. If you can afford it, get both the grandmother and her brother's DNA. Their Family Finder results will be slightly different. And if you are on a budget, do something like Grandma with Family Finder and the brother with Y-DNA 12. You won't get anything out of a Y-DNA 12 test except anthropology type stuff. But the DNA is stored for at least 25 years, so you can upgrade the brother as the budget allows. It is my understanding that the Hawaiians recruited heavily from both the Azores and Madeira. The ship to Hawaii left from Funchal, Madeira and Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel. That's why there's more S.Miguel people to Hawaii than the other 8 Azores islands. As for how much from Madeira versus the Azores, I don't know. Hope someone else does. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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There is a browsable database of Portuguese languague Hawaiian newspapers from the Hawaiian Historical Society here. http://evols.library.manoa.hawaii.edu/handle/10524/31854 The nine initial newspapers were published in Hawai‘i from 1885 to 1927 and include one English and Portuguese newspaper and one English and Hawaiian newspaper. The surviving newspapers comprise 1,463 issues containing 5,852 pages. O Luso Hawaiiano (four-page Honolulu weekly, Portuguese, some English). August 1885 to December 1890 Aurora Hawaiiana [Hawaiian Dawn] (four-page Honolulu weekly, Portuguese) August 1889 to March 1891 A Uniao Lusitana Hawaiiana (four-page Honolulu weekly, Portuguese). March 1892 to February 1896 A Sentinella [Sentinel] (Honolulu weekly, Portuguese, some English).1892 to 1896, but only three issues survive: April to September 1892 O Luso (four-page Honolulu weekly, Portuguese and English). The longest-running Portuguese-language paper, with the largest circulation. February 1896 to October 1897, October 1910 to Jan. 1920 A Setta [Arrow] (Hilo weekly, Portuguese, some English). Ran from 1903 to 1921, but only six issues survive. 1905, 1906, 1908, 1920 O Popular (four-page Honolulu weekly, Portuguese, some English). July 1911 to January 1913 O Facho [The Torch] (four-page Hilo weekly, Portuguese). Ran from 1906 to 1927, but only one issue survives: February 2, 1927 Eric Edgar On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 10:28 AM, luiznoia . noblankt...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, there is a website for the Oakland FHC to see their inventory http://184.168.30.96:8080/athcgi/athweb.pl?loc=OAKLAND Eric Edgar On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Eric Gomes gomes.ances...@gmail.comwrote: Wow, Thank you for the great response and assistance. It's always amazing how the group can do more than the single person. I appreciate it. Sorry for the late response, I really only have time on the weekends to work on Ancestry stuff where I can actually sit down and put a little mind power to it. Gail M: The 1900 Census in Hilo, Hawaii, it says that her husband was Naturalized. In the 1910 and 1920 Census both say that he is an Alien. He was killed by a train in Oakland on June 10, 1927 (exactly 45 years to the day before I was born.) In 1930 and 1940 she is again Naturalized. Ed: Thank you for all of the resources. I am going to be busy for a couple of weeks/years. Gail E.: In 1900 they were in Hilo, Hawaii. I know that my great grandfather was born there in 1897. I don't have much more information there. Cheri: Unfortunately, she doesn't remember much anymore. Especially about her grandparents generation. She has no memory of her grandfather's because they were both killed by trains (one when she was three days old and the other mentioned above when she was 3 years old.) And yes, I will order the test today. I had been concentrating on how I was going to get her brother to take the test. He'll be 94 in January and failed to think about my grandmother (probably because of the Y DNA thing.) Just curious, how common were the immigrants from Madeira? My Gomes Side is from Madeira Island and they arrived in 1906. Shirley: I don't have the tree traced back further than this generation on this branch. So, presently I am unaware of any other siblings. Pam: Thank you. Family History Library Question: Does anyone know if there is a way to see what films are at each FHL??? I go to the Oakland Library a lot. And I don't want to order the film if they already have it. =) Thanks again, Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.comwrote: Here is possibly their marriage? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FW8N-F9N On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Shirley Allegre shir...@digitalpath.net wrote: Hi Eric: I just tried to find your Manuel Rodrigues in Bob de Mello's book, but it doesn't start until 1879. Do you know if Manuel and Isabel Marie had any siblings? Shirley in CA - Original Message - *From:* Eric Gomes gomes.ances...@gmail.com *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Monday, December 09, 2013 12:23 AM *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages Hi group, I have been thinking about my great great grandparents lately. They are Manuel Rodrigues and Isabel Marie ???. They are my grandmother's paternal grandparents. From what I can gather, both were born in the Azores (not sure where yet.) However, there was an age gap of 14 to 16 years between them. He was born in 1854 and she was born in 1870 - 1872. According to the 1920 census, he immigrated to Hawaii in 1874 and she in 1890. Unfortunately, the census takers made an error here because according to the 1900 Census when they were living in Hawaii, their oldest son was born in Hawaii in 1886. My great-grandfather, Joaquin Rodrigues was born on the Big Island on December 1, 1897. I do not know her maiden name and my grandmother
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
I can confirm there was heavy emigration from Madeira to Hawaii. Maybe even equal to that of Sao Miguel.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message It is my understanding that the Hawaiians recruited heavily from both the Azores and Madeira. The ship to Hawaii left from Funchal, Madeira and Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel. That's why there's more S.Miguel people to Hawaii than the other 8 Azores islands. As for how much from Madeira versus the Azores, I don't know. Hope someone else does. Cheri Mello -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Hi Group, I called the Oakland FHC this afternoon before they closed. A friend answered the phone and he told me how to look at their holdings. From the FamilySearch.org Website, you select Search and then Catalog on the next line. A search box opens and you can search by film. Below the window where you enter the film number you can choose to limit your search to a specific Family History Center. The long and the short of it... they have the film I am looking for. I have to try and get there next week as they are closed between Christmas and New Years. It should not be too difficult since I work in Oakland about 8 miles from the library. Thanks for the other info as well. Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA p.s. I still need to work on learning Portuguese. =) On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 1:05 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: I can confirm there was heavy emigration from Madeira to Hawaii. Maybe even equal to that of Sao Miguel. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message It is my understanding that the Hawaiians recruited heavily from both the Azores and Madeira. The ship to Hawaii left from Funchal, Madeira and Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel. That's why there's more S.Miguel people to Hawaii than the other 8 Azores islands. As for how much from Madeira versus the Azores, I don't know. Hope someone else does. Cheri Mello -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA Surnames: Gomes, Smith, Townsend, Lopes, Cabral, Erwin, Kennedy, Rodman, Rodrigues, and many more. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Eric, Any idea when she was naturalized ? Before 1922 (I think) a wife became naturalized automatically if her husband was naturalized. Meaning, there would be no paper trail for the wife. Gayle On Dec 9, 2013, at 12:23 AM, Eric Gomes gomes.ances...@gmail.com wrote: Hi group, I have been thinking about my great great grandparents lately. They are Manuel Rodrigues and Isabel Marie ???. They are my grandmother's paternal grandparents. From what I can gather, both were born in the Azores (not sure where yet.) However, there was an age gap of 14 to 16 years between them. He was born in 1854 and she was born in 1870 - 1872. According to the 1920 census, he immigrated to Hawaii in 1874 and she in 1890. Unfortunately, the census takers made an error here because according to the 1900 Census when they were living in Hawaii, their oldest son was born in Hawaii in 1886. My great-grandfather, Joaquin Rodrigues was born on the Big Island on December 1, 1897. I do not know her maiden name and my grandmother cannot remember it. She is now 87 years old. I have also tried to locate both of them on the passenger lists on LUSAWEB.com without success. I presume they were married in Hawaii. I am wondering if there is a resource for church records on the islands? In some of the census's, it says that she was Naturalized. I am going to check to see if she is in the databases at the local court house the next time I am over there. Just wanted to bounce this off the group and see if anyone else has any ideas. The family moved to California by the 1910 Census. Any thoughts will help. Thanks Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA -- Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA Surnames: Gomes, Smith, Townsend, Lopes, Cabral, Erwin, Kennedy, Rodman, Rodrigues, and many more. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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site you might want to check out 1. http://archives1.dags.hawaii.gov/gsdl/cgi-bin/library?a=pp=aboutc=indextopl=enw=utf-8 (index to Portuguese passenger manifest) 2. http://archives1.dags.hawaii.gov/gsdl/cgi-bin/library?a=qr=1hs=1e=p-01000-00---0vitalsta--00-1--0-10-0---0---0prompt-10---4---0-1l--11-en-2000---100-about---00-3-1-00-0011-1-0utfZz-8-00t=1q=pacheco (Hawaii state archives digital collection) 3. http://ulukau.org/index.php?a=pp=searchwp=cl=l=enst1=st2=st3=st=titlesst4=st5=st6=sub= (University of Hawaii records) hope this helps On Dec 9, 2013, at 2:23 AM, Eric Gomes wrote: Hi group, I have been thinking about my great great grandparents lately. They are Manuel Rodrigues and Isabel Marie ???. They are my grandmother's paternal grandparents. From what I can gather, both were born in the Azores (not sure where yet.) However, there was an age gap of 14 to 16 years between them. He was born in 1854 and she was born in 1870 - 1872. According to the 1920 census, he immigrated to Hawaii in 1874 and she in 1890. Unfortunately, the census takers made an error here because according to the 1900 Census when they were living in Hawaii, their oldest son was born in Hawaii in 1886. My great-grandfather, Joaquin Rodrigues was born on the Big Island on December 1, 1897. I do not know her maiden name and my grandmother cannot remember it. She is now 87 years old. I have also tried to locate both of them on the passenger lists on LUSAWEB.com without success. I presume they were married in Hawaii. I am wondering if there is a resource for church records on the islands? In some of the census's, it says that she was Naturalized. I am going to check to see if she is in the databases at the local court house the next time I am over there. Just wanted to bounce this off the group and see if anyone else has any ideas. The family moved to California by the 1910 Census. Any thoughts will help. Thanks Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA -- Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA Surnames: Gomes, Smith, Townsend, Lopes, Cabral, Erwin, Kennedy, Rodman, Rodrigues, and many more. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Aloha Eric, What island and what district they were in? Gail E. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Gomes Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 10:24 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages Hi group, I have been thinking about my great great grandparents lately. They are Manuel Rodrigues and Isabel Marie ???. They are my grandmother's paternal grandparents. From what I can gather, both were born in the Azores (not sure where yet.) However, there was an age gap of 14 to 16 years between them. He was born in 1854 and she was born in 1870 - 1872. According to the 1920 census, he immigrated to Hawaii in 1874 and she in 1890. Unfortunately, the census takers made an error here because according to the 1900 Census when they were living in Hawaii, their oldest son was born in Hawaii in 1886. My great-grandfather, Joaquin Rodrigues was born on the Big Island on December 1, 1897. I do not know her maiden name and my grandmother cannot remember it. She is now 87 years old. I have also tried to locate both of them on the passenger lists on LUSAWEB.com without success. I presume they were married in Hawaii. I am wondering if there is a resource for church records on the islands? In some of the census's, it says that she was Naturalized. I am going to check to see if she is in the databases at the local court house the next time I am over there. Just wanted to bounce this off the group and see if anyone else has any ideas. The family moved to California by the 1910 Census. Any thoughts will help. Thanks Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA -- Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA Surnames: Gomes, Smith, Townsend, Lopes, Cabral, Erwin, Kennedy, Rodman, Rodrigues, and many more. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
Eric G, Yes, it's 1922 for women to naturalize as Gayle M stated. Here's an article about that, written by Marian L. Smith of the USCIS (United States Citizenship and Immigration Service - the old INS). http://goo.gl/4vUUxK It also worked in reverse. If an natural born woman married an immigrant she LOST her U.S. Citizenship! Your grandma isn't going to remember Isabel Marie (Isabela Maria)'s last name because, generally, women born in the 1870s didn't have surnames. I'd ask grandma for the island. If they went to Hawaii, there's a real good chance that your family came from Sao Miguel, as the ship for Hawaii left from Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel. So the vast majority of immigrant to HI are from there. If they are from another island, they had to get to Sao Miguel. After grandma remembers the island, we can work on the freguesia. Melody (Mel) Lassalle is your best source on Hawaiian research. Check out her web page at www.yourislandroutes.com And for crying out loud, get your 87 year old grandma's DNA NOW while it's on sale. Her DNA can get you matches back to the 1720s. Family Finder is still $99, but you'll get a $100 gift card to Restaurant.com. More small business restaurants, but depending on where you work, that could broaden your choices. There are something like 46 restaurants within 15 miles of Castro Valley. Cheri Mello Azores DNA -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
Eric another good source that could fill in your gaps for your great grandparents could be from the Portuguese Genealogical Historical Society of Hawaii 810 North Vineyard Blvd, Room 11, Honolulu ,Hawaii 96817 telephone (808) 841-5044 They have a computer database of portuguese immigrants to Hawaii 0f over 262,000 names dating back to the whaling and plantation era. They are a non-profit organization manned by unpaid volunteers they survive on membership dues and donations. Edward Rodrigues On Dec 9, 2013, at 2:23 AM, Eric Gomes wrote: Hi group, I have been thinking about my great great grandparents lately. They are Manuel Rodrigues and Isabel Marie ???. They are my grandmother's paternal grandparents. From what I can gather, both were born in the Azores (not sure where yet.) However, there was an age gap of 14 to 16 years between them. He was born in 1854 and she was born in 1870 - 1872. According to the 1920 census, he immigrated to Hawaii in 1874 and she in 1890. Unfortunately, the census takers made an error here because according to the 1900 Census when they were living in Hawaii, their oldest son was born in Hawaii in 1886. My great-grandfather, Joaquin Rodrigues was born on the Big Island on December 1, 1897. I do not know her maiden name and my grandmother cannot remember it. She is now 87 years old. I have also tried to locate both of them on the passenger lists on LUSAWEB.com without success. I presume they were married in Hawaii. I am wondering if there is a resource for church records on the islands? In some of the census's, it says that she was Naturalized. I am going to check to see if she is in the databases at the local court house the next time I am over there. Just wanted to bounce this off the group and see if anyone else has any ideas. The family moved to California by the 1910 Census. Any thoughts will help. Thanks Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA -- Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA Surnames: Gomes, Smith, Townsend, Lopes, Cabral, Erwin, Kennedy, Rodman, Rodrigues, and many more. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
Eric they have a family tree on Ancestry that show your great grandmother name as Isabel Marie Soares but they attached her daughter Pauline Rodrigues Priest 1902-1982 death cert with her maiden name as Estrella On Dec 9, 2013, at 2:23 AM, Eric Gomes wrote: Hi group, I have been thinking about my great great grandparents lately. They are Manuel Rodrigues and Isabel Marie ???. They are my grandmother's paternal grandparents. From what I can gather, both were born in the Azores (not sure where yet.) However, there was an age gap of 14 to 16 years between them. He was born in 1854 and she was born in 1870 - 1872. According to the 1920 census, he immigrated to Hawaii in 1874 and she in 1890. Unfortunately, the census takers made an error here because according to the 1900 Census when they were living in Hawaii, their oldest son was born in Hawaii in 1886. My great-grandfather, Joaquin Rodrigues was born on the Big Island on December 1, 1897. I do not know her maiden name and my grandmother cannot remember it. She is now 87 years old. I have also tried to locate both of them on the passenger lists on LUSAWEB.com without success. I presume they were married in Hawaii. I am wondering if there is a resource for church records on the islands? In some of the census's, it says that she was Naturalized. I am going to check to see if she is in the databases at the local court house the next time I am over there. Just wanted to bounce this off the group and see if anyone else has any ideas. The family moved to California by the 1910 Census. Any thoughts will help. Thanks Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA -- Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA Surnames: Gomes, Smith, Townsend, Lopes, Cabral, Erwin, Kennedy, Rodman, Rodrigues, and many more. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
Hi Eric: I just tried to find your Manuel Rodrigues in Bob de Mello's book, but it doesn't start until 1879. Do you know if Manuel and Isabel Marie had any siblings? Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Eric Gomes To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 12:23 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages Hi group, I have been thinking about my great great grandparents lately. They are Manuel Rodrigues and Isabel Marie ???. They are my grandmother's paternal grandparents. From what I can gather, both were born in the Azores (not sure where yet.) However, there was an age gap of 14 to 16 years between them. He was born in 1854 and she was born in 1870 - 1872. According to the 1920 census, he immigrated to Hawaii in 1874 and she in 1890. Unfortunately, the census takers made an error here because according to the 1900 Census when they were living in Hawaii, their oldest son was born in Hawaii in 1886. My great-grandfather, Joaquin Rodrigues was born on the Big Island on December 1, 1897. I do not know her maiden name and my grandmother cannot remember it. She is now 87 years old. I have also tried to locate both of them on the passenger lists on LUSAWEB.com without success. I presume they were married in Hawaii. I am wondering if there is a resource for church records on the islands? In some of the census's, it says that she was Naturalized. I am going to check to see if she is in the databases at the local court house the next time I am over there. Just wanted to bounce this off the group and see if anyone else has any ideas. The family moved to California by the 1910 Census. Any thoughts will help. Thanks Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA -- Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA Surnames: Gomes, Smith, Townsend, Lopes, Cabral, Erwin, Kennedy, Rodman, Rodrigues, and many more. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages
Here is possibly their marriage? https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FW8N-F9N On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Shirley Allegre shir...@digitalpath.netwrote: Hi Eric: I just tried to find your Manuel Rodrigues in Bob de Mello's book, but it doesn't start until 1879. Do you know if Manuel and Isabel Marie had any siblings? Shirley in CA - Original Message - *From:* Eric Gomes gomes.ances...@gmail.com *To:* azores@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Monday, December 09, 2013 12:23 AM *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Hawaiian Marriages Hi group, I have been thinking about my great great grandparents lately. They are Manuel Rodrigues and Isabel Marie ???. They are my grandmother's paternal grandparents. From what I can gather, both were born in the Azores (not sure where yet.) However, there was an age gap of 14 to 16 years between them. He was born in 1854 and she was born in 1870 - 1872. According to the 1920 census, he immigrated to Hawaii in 1874 and she in 1890. Unfortunately, the census takers made an error here because according to the 1900 Census when they were living in Hawaii, their oldest son was born in Hawaii in 1886. My great-grandfather, Joaquin Rodrigues was born on the Big Island on December 1, 1897. I do not know her maiden name and my grandmother cannot remember it. She is now 87 years old. I have also tried to locate both of them on the passenger lists on LUSAWEB.com without success. I presume they were married in Hawaii. I am wondering if there is a resource for church records on the islands? In some of the census's, it says that she was Naturalized. I am going to check to see if she is in the databases at the local court house the next time I am over there. Just wanted to bounce this off the group and see if anyone else has any ideas. The family moved to California by the 1910 Census. Any thoughts will help. Thanks Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA -- Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA Surnames: Gomes, Smith, Townsend, Lopes, Cabral, Erwin, Kennedy, Rodman, Rodrigues, and many more. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
