Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Half-Orphans
Since the question originally dealt with the term being used in California, it might also mean what it has tradtionally meant in the US. The primary use of the term has been to refer to children who have been abandoned by their fathers (and usually supported by the state). Even though the farming out of family members during the Depression was also common because so many people couldn't afford to raise their own children and many orphanages took in children like that, more often half orphan was a term used to identify children bereft of their financial support because of abandonment by the father. This is probably not the case for kids who were in the Azores proper since even real orphans (kids who had lost both parents) were usually taken in by other family members or close friends (hence the real use of the term Godmother and Godfather) and usually put to work for a sponsor (benevolent or otherwise) in exchange for room and board. On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Liliana Harris lilianah...@gmail.comwrote: I’m fairly certain I have the answer to that. On Azores GenWeb, which is a terrific source of information (Forgive me if I’m reporting something most of the group already knows.), there was a book on the Azores —part fiction, part non-fiction—reviewed. The fiction part is supposedly well-researched, and so far everything I’ve read has checked out. Embedded in the fiction of the book, there is reference to half orphans: *children with both parents living who could no longer be fully supported by the parents*. They lived in institutions along with children without parents, and their parents paid small amounts for their room and board. They kept their own names but could be farmed out to private homes--sort of like foster children. I did a bit of research of my own on this, and apparently it was not common at the turn of the century but it was done. On Friday, April 18, 2014 7:40:52 PM UTC-7, Grace CM wrote: Does anyone know what “half-orphan” in a California school record from 1918 might mean? Unless I’m mistaken, the child has two living parents. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA and mt-DNA matches
Hi Antonio,I know you already saw this, but I have started such a list for Pico and Terceira:http://www.dholmes.com/dna-origins.htmlI'm sure it needs to be updated by now, since I did it months ago.Hope you don't mind that I switched your subject to reflect the discussion.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] I have a great Idea. From: Antonio Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com Date: Sat, April 19, 2014 9:01 am To: azores@googlegroups.com I would like to explore the and find out more about DNA matches between the Azores and Continental(mainland) Portugal. I think it would be fun to start a discussion. I am curious to know if you have a Y-dna or Mtdna match to someone from Continental Portugal. Please list your most distant known ancestor, the freguesia and island in the Azores. the haplogroup and the name of the town or city of your match in Continental Portugal. As of yet I don't have any matches all my Portuguese matches are from the Azores. But I'm very interesting in finding out about what other members matches are. -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel da Cunha Vasconcelos Monis - a mystery
I don't know if Mr. Teixeira is on this list, so I am pretty much writing on his behalf.We are a projected 3rd-5th cousin based on the Family Finder DNA results and being so relatively close, it has been bugging me as to why I can't locate the link between us.So today I was looking over his tree posted and he has one grandmother born in Graciosa, all the rest from the continent. The link obviously comes from his Graciosa line.He has an officially unknown ancestor pretty close, #14 on his chart and so I asked him about that today.Here is the response:he may be the incognito in my grandmother’s baptism record. According to my cousin, my Mother’s ½ sister’s son (both born in Graciosa), he remembers his Mother talking about who his Grandmother's (Graziela's) Father was. He remembers the name as Manuel da Cunha Vasconcelos Monis (although he said that he was not sure about the Monis part). Apparently he (Manuel) is the one who paid for his daughter (Graziela) to come to the U.S. (also according to my cousin). I talked to my other 2 cousins (brothers) of the one referenced above, and they said that they remembered hearing that name also.If you do genealogy, you should recognize this name combo as a likely link to Graciosa's minor nobility. And if the above story holds water, the reason he is incognito is likely that the family owned property they were not willing to share with his child and mother. He also might have been married to someone else, too.With Eliseu's Graciosa researchers list, maybe there are enough researchers who will be looking through the records to spot this person.Since his grandmother was born in Luz, Graciosa, that could be where this father was from, but there is no such guarantee.I just completed a search of my database and found 13 people using the surname sequence of Cunha Vasconcelos. Several of these show up in Terceira records. One is from Guadalupe in about 1829. One from Santa Cruz, Graciosa in 1737. One from Praia, Graciosa in about 1855.But the one that caught my attention most is from a line that includes the surname SIMAS in there.The Simas name in Graciosa came from Sao Roque do Pico in the late 1600s by a marriage into another important family. I have traced most of them, but this one has a lot of unwed mothers. So the person I found that might be how Mr. Teixeira and I connect could be from Joao de Simas e Cunha e Vasconcelos who married on 9 May 1853 in Santa Cruz, Graciosa to Maria da Conceicao da Silva.Joao de Simas e Cunha e Vasconcelos was the son of pai incognito and Luzia da Conceição de VASCONCELOS aka Luzia Teresa de VASCONCELOS.The first child I have noticed so far by her is Vitoria born on 11 Jun 1810 in Santa Cruz, Graciosa. I am not done researching, so there could be earlier children. But from this date we can estimate she was born maybe about 1785-1790. Her last child was Rosa born on 19 Mar 1829 also in Santa Cruz, making her 39-44 years old. I am not 100% certain she is the same one having so many previous kids. In the 1829 baptism, it reveals she was formerly married:Roza, filha de Pai incognito e de Luzia da Conceicao, viuva de Francisco da Silva, moradora na Rua do Mar. Padrinhos: Joze Correa Palhinha and N.S.do Rozario. But so far, none of the baptisms revealed her own parents. I found 4 of her 6 known children.I don't think this is such a difficult problem to solve. Her own death will likely name her parents, but she might also show up as the madrinha in some records and will be listed with parents there. I just don't have this as any priority and did this research probably at least 10 years ago. But now that DNA testing is showing this link, I think this might be why.Just how this link connects to Simas, I don't know. In fact, Simas might really be coming from the pai incognito for this Joao de Simas e Cunha e Vasconcelos and then I would have to look for other possibilities.Don't you just love the consequences from the church policy to hide the identities of the children with unwed parents?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: GRACIOSA researcher's list
Please add me to your Graciosa researchers list. My father was born in Graciosa in 1890, Jaime Cunha Dias, His father was Joao Cunha Dias and his grandfather was Jose Cunha Dias. His mother was Maria Jesus Cunha. My father went back and forth from the Azores to America as a young person with his parents and then when he and Maria Thomazia Cunha married in Graciosa in 1910, they came back to America. He never went back to Graciosa. In MA he lived in Lowell, Lawrence and Metheun. Do I have any relatives on this list? On Thursday, April 10, 2014 5:06:51 PM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote: Hi, Some time ago I have asked to GRACIOSA researchers to send me their email addresses. I have sent now to everyone who answered back the list of the addresses. Now I think it will be easier to contact among us. I will update that list if someone wants to participate on it J. *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva* Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo ( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel ) -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with Marriage Record
Hi Dano, I guess I'm on a roll but I've found the marriage record for Manuel Mota and Ana Rodriques from 1620. And it gives Manuel Mota father's name although I'm not sure what it is (Manuel Voas or Voaz or something else).,,can you make it out? It's on the right side of page at top. Interesting that they did not list the mother's names, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1617-1657/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-C-1617-1657_item1/P7.html . FRED On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Dano dpai...@gmail.com wrote: *Well, Fred, the record is the record! Until someone can come up with credible information to disprove what you've found, it is the only document with a date specific for Goncalo Mendes. Was Goncalo 110 yrs old when he died? Perhaps. If he was 110 yrs old at death, who, that was still living at that time, would know - absent a document that actually stated his date of birth. Did Goncalo, himself, even know when he was born? Most of our ancestors only had a vague idea, at best, of when they were born - they didn't live in an era that people needed that kind of information. We're at the point where there aren't many records left that can substantiate, or disprove, what you've found. Now the question becomes: is it the [right] Goncalo Mendes, but, I wouldn't worry about that unless, or until, someone, using credible information, disputes your find **- so, take credit for your find (GOOD WORK)! * * :)* ~~ On Friday, April 18, 2014 7:10:14 PM UTC-4, fred_star wrote: Dano, One other find that is possible match for Goncalo Mendes death record. The record lists his age at death to be 110 years old! Do you think it's a match? The record is on the left page, second one down from top. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- PD-SAOPEDRO-O-1618-1673/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-O-1618-1673_item1/P25.html Fred On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Fred Estrella festre...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Dano, I might have found the record for Joao Mota b. abt 1636 shown on your pdf document. Hard to read because of abbreviations but I think this is his baptism record from Sao Pedro records having him born on 26 Feb 1635. Let me know what you think: http://culturacores. azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B- 1617-1642/SMG-PD-SAOPEDRO-B-1617-1642_item1/P92.html. Fred On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 8:18 AM, Fred Estrella festre...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Dano, I did get the pdf. Thanks so much for this valuable info! I'm curious, was this tree a result of your own research or did you get it from another source? Fred On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Dano dpa...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, Fred, its a brand new printer - I just haven't got my act together. Will try again. I'm sending it as a .pdf file attachment - let me know if it comes through readable... On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 11:56:06 AM UTC-4, fred_star wrote: Dano, what you attached to your email did not come out clear...just a lot of HTML code. I would like to see what you posted. Could you try another way? Thanks, Fred On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Dano dpa...@gmail.com wrote: Sebastiao's surname is Mota. This family is descended from Goncalo Mendes: On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 12:38:54 PM UTC-4, fred_star wrote: I need help with the father's last name of groom for my 6ggf Belchior de Souza. I can't decipher his last name, first name is Sebastiam (Sebastiao) da __. The record is top right side: http://culturacores.azor es.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1701-1779/SM G-PD-MOSTEIROS-C-1701-1779_item1/P12.html Any help is appreciated. Fred -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode,
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel da Cunha Vasconcelos Monis - a mystery
Well Doug you are lucky to have only one that you can't link. other than Manuel Furtado the rest of my family finder matches I have no idea how we connect because they are all from Pico, Flores. Which I only have one ancestor that I know of from Flores but can't find his marriage record. Good luck hope you solve your mystery. On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 12:41 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: I don't know if Mr. Teixeira is on this list, so I am pretty much writing on his behalf. We are a projected 3rd-5th cousin based on the Family Finder DNA results and being so relatively close, it has been bugging me as to why I can't locate the link between us. So today I was looking over his tree posted and he has one grandmother born in Graciosa, all the rest from the continent. The link obviously comes from his Graciosa line. He has an officially unknown ancestor pretty close, #14 on his chart and so I asked him about that today. Here is the response: *he may be the incognito in my grandmother’s baptism record. According to my cousin, my Mother’s ½ sister’s son (both born in Graciosa), he remembers his Mother talking about who his Grandmother's (Graziela's) Father was. He remembers the name as Manuel da Cunha Vasconcelos Monis (although he said that he was not sure about the Monis part). Apparently he (Manuel) is the one who paid for his daughter (Graziela) to come to the U.S. (also according to my cousin). I talked to my other 2 cousins (brothers) of the one referenced above, and they said that they remembered hearing that name also.* If you do genealogy, you should recognize this name combo as a likely link to Graciosa's minor nobility. And if the above story holds water, the reason he is incognito is likely that the family owned property they were not willing to share with his child and mother. He also might have been married to someone else, too. With Eliseu's Graciosa researchers list, maybe there are enough researchers who will be looking through the records to spot this person. Since his grandmother was born in Luz, Graciosa, that could be where this father was from, but there is no such guarantee. I just completed a search of my database and found 13 people using the surname sequence of Cunha Vasconcelos. Several of these show up in Terceira records. One is from Guadalupe in about 1829. One from Santa Cruz, Graciosa in 1737. One from Praia, Graciosa in about 1855. But the one that caught my attention most is from a line that includes the surname SIMAS in there. The Simas name in Graciosa came from Sao Roque do Pico in the late 1600s by a marriage into another important family. I have traced most of them, but this one has a lot of unwed mothers. So the person I found that might be how Mr. Teixeira and I connect could be from Joao de Simas e Cunha e Vasconcelos who married on 9 May 1853 in Santa Cruz, Graciosa to Maria da Conceicao da Silva. Joao de Simas e Cunha e Vasconcelos was the son of pai incognito and Luzia da Conceição de VASCONCELOS aka Luzia Teresa de VASCONCELOS. The first child I have noticed so far by her is Vitoria born on 11 Jun 1810 in Santa Cruz, Graciosa. I am not done researching, so there could be earlier children. But from this date we can estimate she was born maybe about 1785-1790. Her last child was Rosa born on 19 Mar 1829 also in Santa Cruz, making her 39-44 years old. I am not 100% certain she is the same one having so many previous kids. In the 1829 baptism, it reveals she was formerly married: *Roza, filha de Pai incognito e de Luzia da Conceicao, viuva de Francisco da Silva, moradora na Rua do Mar. Padrinhos: Joze Correa Palhinha and N.S.do http://N.S.do Rozario. * But so far, none of the baptisms revealed her own parents. I found 4 of her 6 known children. I don't think this is such a difficult problem to solve. Her own death will likely name her parents, but she might also show up as the madrinha in some records and will be listed with parents there. I just don't have this as any priority and did this research probably at least 10 years ago. But now that DNA testing is showing this link, I think this might be why. Just how this link connects to Simas, I don't know. In fact, Simas might really be coming from the pai incognito for this Joao de Simas e Cunha e Vasconcelos and then I would have to look for other possibilities. Don't you just love the consequences from the church policy to hide the identities of the children with unwed parents? Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Name of bride's parents
Maria, It´s Manuel de Sousa Revoredo and Teresa (Thereza) de Oliveira. Manoel Em sexta-feira, 18 de abril de 2014 23h55min56s UTC-3, Maria escreveu: Right hand page Sixth and seventh line down Can anyone read the entire name of they bride's father: I see MANOEL DA SOUZA then maybe Resendes (?) And the brides mother has me stumped: It looks like maybe it's Maria de a . http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1749-1766/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1749-1766_item1/P114.html Thank you, I hope someone can make this out; I've looked through obits and births and was successful with the father of the groom but I hope someone can help me. Thank you. Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel da Cunha Vasconcelos Monis - a mystery
Hi Pam,I didn't mean to imply I have just this one mystery.I have dozens I can't link. But this one is closer than most.There is one even closer and she is from Brasil and not much research done. In fact, no research, but seems to be operating on just family tradition with no locations other than Brasil. I know at least some others on the list must connect to her - Cledia de Morais.Like you, I have many with Pico ancestry I can't link. These are usually on the south side and most have Lajes do Pico ancestry with that 1730s barrier when the records end going back. But in most every case, I do have some likely answers based on surnames we each have in common.On my maternal side, I can't link to a single person beyond my 2nd cousin. I need to make progress on that side and that usually means the other person needs to do some research.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel da Cunha Vasconcelos Monis - a mystery From: Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com Date: Sat, April 19, 2014 2:25 pm To: "azores@googlegroups.com" azores@googlegroups.com Well Doug you are lucky to have only one that you can't link. other than Manuel Furtado the rest of my family finder matches I have no idea how we connect because they are all from Pico, Flores. Which I only have one ancestor that I know of from Flores but can't find his marriage record. Good luck hope you solve your mystery. On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 12:41 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: I don't know if Mr. Teixeira is on this list, so I am pretty much writing on his behalf.We are a projected 3rd-5th cousin based on the Family Finder DNA results and being so relatively close, it has been bugging me as to why I can't locate the link between us. So today I was looking over his tree posted and he has one grandmother born in Graciosa, all the rest from the continent. The link obviously comes from his Graciosa line.He has an officially unknown ancestor pretty close, #14 on his chart and so I asked him about that today. Here is the response:he may be the incognito in my grandmother’s baptism record. According to my cousin, my Mother’s ½ sister’s son (both born in Graciosa), he remembers his Mother talking about who his Grandmother's (Graziela's) Father was. He remembers the name as Manuel da Cunha Vasconcelos Monis (although he said that he was not sure about the Monis part). Apparently he (Manuel) is the one who paid for his daughter (Graziela) to come to the U.S. (also according to my cousin). I talked to my other 2 cousins (brothers) of the one referenced above, and they said that they remembered hearing that name also.If you do genealogy, you should recognize this name combo as a likely link to Graciosa's minor nobility. And if the above story holds water, the reason he is incognito is likely that the family owned property they were not willing to share with his child and mother. He also might have been married to someone else, too. With Eliseu's Graciosa researchers list, maybe there are enough researchers who will be looking through the records to spot this person.Since his grandmother was born in Luz, Graciosa, that could be where this father was from, but there is no such guarantee. I just completed a search of my database and found 13 people using the surname sequence of Cunha Vasconcelos. Several of these show up in Terceira records. One is from Guadalupe in about 1829. One from Santa Cruz, Graciosa in 1737. One from Praia, Graciosa in about 1855. But the one that caught my attention most is from a line that includes the surname SIMAS in there.The Simas name in Graciosa came from Sao Roque do Pico in the late 1600s by a marriage into another important family. I have traced most of them, but this one has a lot of unwed mothers. So the person I found that might be how Mr. Teixeira and I connect could be from Joao de Simas e Cunha e Vasconcelos who married on 9 May 1853 in Santa Cruz, Graciosa to Maria da Conceicao da Silva. Joao de Simas e Cunha e Vasconcelos was the son of pai incognito and Luzia da Conceição de VASCONCELOS aka Luzia Teresa de VASCONCELOS.The first child I have noticed so far by her is Vitoria born on 11 Jun 1810 in Santa Cruz, Graciosa. I am not done researching, so there could be earlier children. But from this date we can estimate she was born maybe about 1785-1790. Her last child was Rosa born on 19 Mar 1829 also in Santa Cruz, making her 39-44 years old. I am not 100% certain she is the same one having so many previous kids. In the 1829 baptism, it reveals she was formerly married: Roza, filha de Pai incognito e de Luzia da Conceicao, viuva de Francisco da Silva, moradora na Rua do Mar. Padrinhos: Joze Correa Palhinha and N.S.do Rozario. But so far, none of the baptisms revealed her own parents. I found 4 of her 6 known children.I don't think this is such a difficult problem to solve. Her own death will likely name her
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Half-Orphans
Thanks, Fred. I had never even heard the term before. I'm almost certain both parents were alive when the children were growing up. And the mother paid a children's home $20 a month. Even though the parents were both alive and lived exactly one block apart, maybe it was still considered as the father having abandoned his five children. He did eventually leave America and marry again (a 22 year-old when he was 62--and then he died a year later--ha!ha!) In fact, it just occurred to me--and I feel bad for thinking my ancestors might have been this low--with 5 children, it might have been far less expensive to claim being abandoned and allow them to be raised by others. Do you happen to know if there were any efforts to collect child support from deadbeat dads in those days, or did the authorities tend to look the other way? One other question--and I know the answer would be pure guesswork on your part. The mother had many, many close relatives in the area. Why wouldn't the children have been looked after by them? Was being divorced or abandoned such a stigma that the children would have been tainted in some way? Thanks again! On Saturday, April 19, 2014 4:53:44 AM UTC-7, azoresfred wrote: Since the question originally dealt with the term being used in California, it might also mean what it has tradtionally meant in the US. The primary use of the term has been to refer to children who have been abandoned by their fathers (and usually supported by the state). Even though the farming out of family members during the Depression was also common because so many people couldn't afford to raise their own children and many orphanages took in children like that, more often half orphan was a term used to identify children bereft of their financial support because of abandonment by the father. This is probably not the case for kids who were in the Azores proper since even real orphans (kids who had lost both parents) were usually taken in by other family members or close friends (hence the real use of the term Godmother and Godfather) and usually put to work for a sponsor (benevolent or otherwise) in exchange for room and board. On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Liliana Harris lilia...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I’m fairly certain I have the answer to that. On Azores GenWeb, which is a terrific source of information (Forgive me if I’m reporting something most of the group already knows.), there was a book on the Azores —part fiction, part non-fiction—reviewed. The fiction part is supposedly well-researched, and so far everything I’ve read has checked out. Embedded in the fiction of the book, there is reference to half orphans: *children with both parents living who could no longer be fully supported by the parents*. They lived in institutions along with children without parents, and their parents paid small amounts for their room and board. They kept their own names but could be farmed out to private homes--sort of like foster children. I did a bit of research of my own on this, and apparently it was not common at the turn of the century but it was done. On Friday, April 18, 2014 7:40:52 PM UTC-7, Grace CM wrote: Does anyone know what “half-orphan” in a California school record from 1918 might mean? Unless I’m mistaken, the child has two living parents. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] I have a great Idea.
Antonio, Most people can't tell the location from their list of matches. And with the Gedcom viewer messed up right now (it's not displaying places except for older uploads), people don't know at all where ancestor match was born either :( The Gedcom Viewer problem has been reported. However, IT/Software Engineering is working on the Population Finder release at the end of the month. I don't know what is next on their list. I even asked for an extra search field on the Admin page, which they said was quite simple to do. Here it is, 5 months later and it has not been added yet. :( They need more IT guys. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Half-Orphans
I haven't been paying real close attention to this thread, but I have one instance of an orphan in my family. It's in Alabama in the 1850s. The father died leaving his wife and orphaned children. Not having a father in Alabama (and other states in America) in the middle 1800s meant orphaned. As to this part of Grace CM's post: Was being divorced or abandoned such a stigma that the children would have been tainted in some way? Yes, being a child of divorced parents was a stigma. My dad's first cousin, born in the late 1930s, was the daughter of divorced parents. Some kids at school shunned her and would not play with her. This happened in southern California in the 1940s. I remember growing up in the 1970s and there was a foster home on the corner. My mother would not let us play with those kids. We were told that their parents were jail birds and that the kids would turn out like their parents (this might have been some weird mental thing my mom had about the house on the corner). By the time I was 11 or 12, I realized those kids were just like me and I remember being friends with a couple of them while they lived in that particular foster home. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gracias of New Bedford, MA
Thank you, Fred. I will check that out and let you know if I find anything. On Friday, April 18, 2014 9:36:25 PM UTC-7, azoresfred wrote: my aunt Mary Souza from Stonington Connecticut was married to a man named Gracia, but the marriage was short-lived because he died at a very young age. I think they were married in Fall River, and that is all I know of him-not even what his first name was, but the dates given here are very close. It is possible that they married here in Stonington, CT. On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Liliana Harris lilia...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I’m looking into a branch of the Gracia (Grace) family in and around New Bedford, MA. Father: Joseph. Mother: Emma, born in Azores about 1890. In this case, I can trace both to their antecedents, but the children, Gilbert and Nora (also known as Leonora) seem to disappear after 1920. I can understand the disappearance of the daughter, since she was older and might have married and taken her husband’s name, but I haven’t been able to find the son (even in death records) after the age of 5. Has anyone heard of this family or have leads on where to look next? Thank you. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Half-Orphans
The book is *Saudade*, a Portuguese word but the book is in English, by Winthrop. I found it reviewed on *http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/*http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/. It's set in the Azores and filled with interesting facts a fictional genealogist learns as she researches her own ancestors. On Saturday, April 19, 2014 2:03:46 PM UTC-7, Grace CM wrote: That's it! It makes perfect sense. The parents separated or divorced (haven't found a divorce record yet) and lived apart for ten years, all the time paying $20 a month to the San Diego Children's Home. I'm more confident now that the child (maybe even 3 of the 5) I found as half-orphans living with other families during the time were theirs. Orphans but with both parents alive. Thanks, Liliana! Great! PS What's the name of the book? On Friday, April 18, 2014 9:04:01 PM UTC-7, Liliana Harris wrote: I’m fairly certain I have the answer to that. On Azores GenWeb, which is a terrific source of information (Forgive me if I’m reporting something most of the group already knows.), there was a book on the Azores —part fiction, part non-fiction—reviewed. The fiction part is supposedly well-researched, and so far everything I’ve read has checked out. Embedded in the fiction of the book, there is reference to half orphans: *children with both parents living who could no longer be fully supported by the parents*. They lived in institutions along with children without parents, and their parents paid small amounts for their room and board. They kept their own names but could be farmed out to private homes--sort of like foster children. I did a bit of research of my own on this, and apparently it was not common at the turn of the century but it was done. On Friday, April 18, 2014 7:40:52 PM UTC-7, Grace CM wrote: Does anyone know what “half-orphan” in a California school record from 1918 might mean? Unless I’m mistaken, the child has two living parents. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Y dna Matches between Pico and Flores, looking for a list of original Flores settlers.
Hi Antonio. I looked through Volume VI and I did not see any Gonsalves listed as early settlers of Flores but it does mention that some of them were Pimenteis, Homens, Costas, Fernandes, Vazes, Gomes e Vieiras da juridiscacao de Santa Cruz. The paragraph references of a ermidia small church the ermidia de Sant'Ana and how these people were interred there. I did not find any mention of Baltazar or Joao Vieira. I hope this helps some. Herb -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
