[backstage] Captioning of Embedded Media Player content?
BBC News seems to have started using video footage within its online news stories quite heavily (eg see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7832309.stm which has both a full-width and half-width version). My question really is whether there are any plans to incorporate captioning or subtitling (there's a subtle distinction between the two, see http://screenfont.ca/learn/ although the terms seems to get used interchangeably quite a lot). I've found myself wanting captions/subtitles quite a bit: for instance on the quiet coach of a train, when I don't have headphones with me. I understand that the technicalities of how to do video captioning well are complicated and contentious (see http://www.alistapart.com/articles/thisishowthewebgetsregulated/) but with Flash video you can at least have a stab at it. Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com
Re: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
So, to the point: any plans to allow embedding of iPlayer content? Is the service providing access to content, or driving traffic to bbc.co.uk? Well someone's already doing it - http://watchification.com/ - I'd always assumed it was legal! Or is this a special case? Oh, while I'm on a roll, any plans for a Wii/PS3-friendly interface à la Youtube for Television? iPlayer with Wii-specific UI has existed for ages - or am I missing the point about Youtube for TV here? MCH - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Captioning of Embedded Media Player content?
We appreciate that people would find subtitling on BBC News site clips useful, and are looking into whether/how the site could provide that. The issue isn't one of technicalities of getting subtitles into Flash video. We can already do this - check out the subtitles already on most streamed programmes on iPlayer for example. But the difficulty is in providing the subtitles for fast-moving news stories - either creating them specifically, or converting them reliably from offline to online content. That's a difficult issue to solve so I can't promise anything. At such time as we may have found ways to sort these issues, I'd most likely announce it on http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/. Jonathan Hassell Head of Audience Experience Usability BBC FM+T From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk on behalf of Frankie Roberto Sent: Fri 16/01/2009 09:44 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Captioning of Embedded Media Player content? BBC News seems to have started using video footage within its online news stories quite heavily (eg see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7832309.stm which has both a full-width and half-width version). My question really is whether there are any plans to incorporate captioning or subtitling (there's a subtle distinction between the two, see http://screenfont.ca/learn/ although the terms seems to get used interchangeably quite a lot). I've found myself wanting captions/subtitles quite a bit: for instance on the quiet coach of a train, when I don't have headphones with me. I understand that the technicalities of how to do video captioning well are complicated and contentious (see http://www.alistapart.com/articles/thisishowthewebgetsregulated/) but with Flash video you can at least have a stab at it. Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com http://www.rattlecentral.com/ winmail.dat
Re: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
Allowing embedding of user-specified clips (ie marking an in- and out-point) could be a nice way of allowing 'water cooler' moments to be easily shared, Even without embedding I would love to see this. Other video services allow you to jump to a specific start point and it would save all those e-mails asking you to jump to 40 mins in on a video. Dan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
There's a hacky way that's been published on the old internet http://jonathan.tweed.name/2007/12/hacking-the-iplayer-embedded-m But not a proper way. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Martin Poppy Hatfield Sent: 16 January 2009 09:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online? So, to the point: any plans to allow embedding of iPlayer content? Is the service providing access to content, or driving traffic to bbc.co.uk? Well someone's already doing it - http://watchification.com/ - I'd always assumed it was legal! Or is this a special case? Oh, while I'm on a roll, any plans for a Wii/PS3-friendly interface à la Youtube for Television? iPlayer with Wii-specific UI has existed for ages - or am I missing the point about Youtube for TV here? MCH - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
Oh, while I'm on a roll, any plans for a Wii/PS3-friendly interface à la Youtube for Television? iPlayer with Wii-specific UI has existed for ages - or am I missing the point about Youtube for TV here? Sorry, was too busy looking for my accented ' à '. I meant any plans for an *official* Wii/PS3-friendly interface - the WiiPlayer is great, yes, but not publicised or redirected from the iPlayer pages. jim
Re: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
There's a hacky way that's been published on the old internet http://jonathan.tweed.name/2007/12/hacking-the-iplayer-embedded-m But not a proper way. Great link, thanks. As you say though, not official, or available to the layman.
Re: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009, Jim Tonge wrote: Oh, while I'm on a roll, any plans for a Wii/PS3-friendly interface ? la Youtube for Television? iPlayer with Wii-specific UI has existed for ages - or am I missing the point about Youtube for TV here? Sorry, was too busy looking for my accented ' ? '. Sorry, was too busy looking for my accented ' ? '. I meant any plans for an *official* Wii/PS3-friendly interface - the WiiPlayer is great, yes, but not publicised or redirected from the iPlayer pages. I thought there the interfaces were already set up for both PS3 and wii. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/cy/where_to_get_iplayer (click on Games Consoles) mentions both by name and I have a vague recollection (although not one that google is helping me prove) that specific versions for each have been released. I've not turned my wii on for a while, but thought that last time I was demoing it to someone (which I seem to do more than actually use it) that the iPlayer site was adjusted for it. --billy -- http://billyabbott.co.uk Are you on a day pass from Satan? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
Sincere apologies. Just checked it on FireFox with user-agent switcher and, sure enough, there's the Wii interface... That'll teach me to check before complaining. Good job! jim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
Sorry, was too busy looking for my accented ' à '. I meant any plans for an *official* Wii/PS3-friendly interface - the WiiPlayer is great, yes, but not publicised or redirected from the iPlayer pages. http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/streaming_programmes/wii ? Are you not automatically taken to the Wii version of the site upon going to bbc.co.uk/iplayer? MCH - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
Watchification.com uses the hacky way of embedding - when we first started to embed (early 2008) various BBC folk told us it was just a matter of time before it was officially allowed but it looks like politics/rights issues etc. have held this up. What I think would be really exciting would be a site/service that wraps the hacky method in a super-easy front-end allowing anyone to do it just by selecting a programme from a list (or whatever)... Steve Andrew Bowden Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:33:01 -0800 There's a hacky way that's been published on the old internet http://jonathan.tweed.name/2007/12/hacking-the-iplayer-embedded-m But not a proper way. -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Martin Poppy Hatfield Sent: 16 January 2009 09:57 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online? So, to the point: any plans to allow embedding of iPlayer content? Is the service providing access to content, or driving traffic to bbc.co.uk? Well someone's already doing it - http://watchification.com/ - I'd always assumed it was legal! Or is this a special case? Oh, while I'm on a roll, any plans for a Wii/PS3-friendly interface à la Youtube for Television? iPlayer with Wii-specific UI has existed for ages - or am I missing the point about Youtube for TV here? MCH - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Openness at the BBC: http://commonplatform.co.uk mailto:st...@bowbrick.com 07768 257 570 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
-Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Steve Bowbrick Sent: 16 January 2009 12:59 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online? Watchification.com uses the hacky way of embedding - when we first started to embed (early 2008) various BBC folk told us it was just a matter of time before it was officially allowed but it looks like politics/rights issues etc. have held this up. To add to that, I've been told one of the reasons we do not allow embed on iPlayer (and on our news YouTube channels) is because the content expires. So anyone who did embed the content in their pages would have a broken link within a few days - which isn't a great user experience. -- Gareth Davis | Production Systems Specialist World Service Future Media, Digital Delivery Team - Part of BBC Global News Division * http://www.bbcworldservice.com/ * 702NE Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B 4PH - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }I
can't imagine it would be THAT difficult to put together a way of
finding the embed code - the question is whether it is allowed or
not.
I knocked together a quick thing for myself with Top Gear video
clips when bbc.co.uk/topgear moved to flash video.
It's a very simple thing and you can see it here - just click Get
Embed Code and it will take you to the list of clips.
http://www.upyourego.com/topgear/a/expire.asp
You could create a simple form where you put the programme code
click get code and it fills out a textarea box with the right code.
In fact here is a quick and nasty one I've built for iPlayer
http://www.upyourego.com/test/pip.asp
But I don't know the exact ins and outs of iPlayer and I'm guessing
it could change at a moments notice and that doing that is probably
against the TCs of using iPlayer.
On Fri 16/01/09 12:58 PM , Steve Bowbrick steve.bowbr...@bbc.co.uk
sent:
Watchification.com uses the hacky way of embedding - when we first
started to embed (early 2008) various BBC folk told us it was just a
matter of time before it was officially allowed but it looks like
politics/rights issues etc. have held this up.
What I think would be really exciting would be a site/service that
wraps the hacky method in a super-easy front-end allowing anyone to
do it just by selecting a programme from a list (or whatever)...
Steve
Andrew Bowden
Fri, 16 Jan 2009 02:33:01 -0800
There's a hacky way that's been published on the old internet
http://jonathan.tweed.name/2007/12/hacking-the-iplayer-embedded-m
But not a proper way.
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So, to the point: any plans to allow embedding of iPlayer
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to bbc.co.uk?
Well someone's already doing it - http://watchification.com/
- I'd always assumed it was legal! Or is this a special case?
Oh, while I'm on a roll, any plans for a Wii/PS3-friendly
interface à
la Youtube for Television?
iPlayer with Wii-specific UI has existed for ages - or am I
missing the point about Youtube for TV here?
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RE: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online?
Good point. But I've always thought of that as a small opportunity: sure, the user wouldn't get the content they were expecting but something else could be served into the gap couldn't it? Something that hasn't (or won't) expire? Or even just a YouTube 'you might also like'-style promo. s -- Openness at the BBC: http://commonplatform.co.uk mailto:st...@bowbrick.com 07768 257 570 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Gareth Davis Sent: 16 January 2009 13:48 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online? -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Steve Bowbrick Sent: 16 January 2009 12:59 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Iplayer the best video experience online? Watchification.com uses the hacky way of embedding - when we first started to embed (early 2008) various BBC folk told us it was just a matter of time before it was officially allowed but it looks like politics/rights issues etc. have held this up. To add to that, I've been told one of the reasons we do not allow embed on iPlayer (and on our news YouTube channels) is because the content expires. So anyone who did embed the content in their pages would have a broken link within a few days - which isn't a great user experience. -- Gareth Davis | Production Systems Specialist World Service Future Media, Digital Delivery Team - Part of BBC Global News Division * http://www.bbcworldservice.com/ * 702NE Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B 4PH - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Captioning of Embedded Media Player content?
We have this on the roadmap for this year and talking to the iPlayer team about how we could do Subtitles it for live broadcast and other News and sport content where they are not available now. At this point, I'm afraid I can't make any promises around when we might be able to get this work done but the complications are in capturing and synchronising the live captions which are written on the fly while the programme is being broadcast, rather than those which are made up before hand and are available as files which can be associated with the programme. Cheers, ::: John O'Donovan ::: Chief Architect, BBC FMT Journalism ::: BBC Broadcast Centre ::: 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TS ::: john.odono...@bbc.co.uk ::: http://www.bbc.co.uk http://www.bbc.co.uk/ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hassell Sent: 16 January 2009 10:22 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Captioning of Embedded Media Player content? We appreciate that people would find subtitling on BBC News site clips useful, and are looking into whether/how the site could provide that. The issue isn't one of technicalities of getting subtitles into Flash video. We can already do this - check out the subtitles already on most streamed programmes on iPlayer for example. But the difficulty is in providing the subtitles for fast-moving news stories - either creating them specifically, or converting them reliably from offline to online content. That's a difficult issue to solve so I can't promise anything. At such time as we may have found ways to sort these issues, I'd most likely announce it on http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/. Jonathan Hassell Head of Audience Experience Usability BBC FM+T From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk on behalf of Frankie Roberto Sent: Fri 16/01/2009 09:44 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Captioning of Embedded Media Player content? BBC News seems to have started using video footage within its online news stories quite heavily (eg see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7832309.stm which has both a full-width and half-width version). My question really is whether there are any plans to incorporate captioning or subtitling (there's a subtle distinction between the two, see http://screenfont.ca/learn/ although the terms seems to get used interchangeably quite a lot). I've found myself wanting captions/subtitles quite a bit: for instance on the quiet coach of a train, when I don't have headphones with me. I understand that the technicalities of how to do video captioning well are complicated and contentious (see http://www.alistapart.com/articles/thisishowthewebgetsregulated/) but with Flash video you can at least have a stab at it. Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com http://www.rattlecentral.com/
