Re: [backstage] Ping...
I believe so :) On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 16:59 +0100, Christopher Woods wrote: Is this list still alive? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas ...
David Tomlinson wrote: The costs of publishing a specification (as a text document or pdf) on a web site are low, comparable with the costs associated with handling individual complaints, about discrimination and lack of access. Earlier there was mention made of a 'cost recovery'. The incremental costs of publishing am individual text document are of course close to zero. (arguably exactly zero, possibly, for the case of the BBC) However - would 'cost recovery' also include the recovery of the cost of development of the platform? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Ofcom opens debate on net neutrality
Glyn Wintle wrote: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consumer/2010/06/ofcom-opens-debate-on-net-neutrality/ What is net neutrality? Net neutrality is a concept based on the internet being a level playing field for internet traffic. There are several definitions, but all share a concern that traffic management by network operators and ISPs could lead to discrimination between different traffic carried over the internet. IMO - this is not a particularly useful description. Quotas and other technical measures - deep packet inspection - shaping - bandwidth limits are not put in place - generally - because the ISPs hate us. They are put in place to protect the network. Proritising classes of traffic can be less bad than the alternatives. A) Build out the network to take several times the peak yearly demand. B) Apply a really low quota, to reduce the peak demand, as everyone is scared of blowing it, and not being able to use the net that month. C) (what is usually spoken of as net neutrality) Whitelisting some sites to improve their performance. And other possible alternatives. Speaking in terms of plusnet - they have several classes of users - depending on how much they've paid. Pay a lot, and your connection is flat, and goes at line rate almost all the time (except when extreme once-a-year peaks of demand hit). Pay very little, and your VOIP goes smoothly, without delayed packets, and all interactive protocols are prioritised highly, but bulk file transfers are shaped down to a very small amount in peak hours. Bandwidth is rarely free. Net neutrality is normally not neutrality in terms of protocols, but neutrality in terms of content provider. It's the idea that - for example - the BBC iplayer site runs just as slowly or as fast on any connection, as '4oD', or Dave Doing the Dishes video player. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Ofcom opens debate on net neutrality
Mo McRoberts wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:13, Ian Stirling backstage...@mauve.plus.com wrote: Proritising classes of traffic can be less bad than the alternatives. No, they're a bloody stupid way of doing it. And other possible alternatives. What, you mean like the sensible one? Your 'dumb pipe' connection is throttled back according to how much you're shifting in relation to everybody else (which has been a feature of networking kit for This does not take into account the inherently bursty nature of some applications. Regrettably, most people do not know how to setup QOS. Are you seriously arguing that everyone should have a deep understanding of QOS, or a high speed unlimited package if they want their VOIP not to stutter when someone else in the house downloads a 3 meg PDF? IMO - traffic prioritisation - when done in an open transparent manner (and yes, there are issues on traffic trying to pretend to be something it's not) is less bad than the alternatives. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Green Ink.
Richard Lockwood wrote: I'm not a lawyer either, but I can at least translate what David's saying; ME ME ME ME ME!!! I WANT IT ALL! FOR NOTHING!!! ME ME! GIVE IT TO ME! I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR ANYTHING, EVER!!! ME ME ME!!! IT'S MY RIGHT TO HAVE EVERYTHING FOR NOTHING FOR EVER AND EVER, AND I'LL CRY IF I CAN'T!! That's pretty much the gist of it. It's really not. There is a truly massive stretch of clear blue water between 'information should be free - it can't be ownes, therefore I don't need to pay'. And 'Content providers should not be able to dictate - sometimes in violation of local laws on fair use - the way in which that content is legitimately used by paying users'. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPlayer and Nokia N900
Alex Cockell wrote: Hi folks, Any idea when or if the N900 could have a native iPlayer client? Just that Flash is VERY sluggish... IF you click 'pop out' - in the iplayer to take it to fullscreen, it's not bad - with the low bandwidth version. Slightly jerky, and a much lower fps than the device can do natively, but it's a whole lot better than normal. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] A Five year retrospective
:) I can only imagine. Although I did hear about a person getting backstage on a large gig using v3 of the backstage tshirt. Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Soulla Stylianou Sent: 30 April 2010 19:10 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] A Five year retrospective Ooh I have a fab bbcbackstage pass lanyard I use to get me in out of our offices I had it on whilst doing lunchtime shop. I got a few positive comments about it :) can you imagine whY a tshirt would do :) lol Happy bank hols people Soulla Sent from my iPhone On 30 Apr 2010, at 17:29, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Wow! Tempting :) Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner- backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Jim Tonge Sent: 29 April 2010 18:05 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] A Five year retrospective I'll fill in one for a t-shirt: I'll even trade you for a (soon to be collector's item) Blast one! On 25 Apr 2010, at 00:54, Mr I Forrester wrote: I'm pretty sure we can find you a new backstage Tshirt Brian On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 16:35 +0100, Brian Butterworth wrote: The backstage t-shirts I have all have the old logo, that's what I'm saying. On 20 April 2010 16:28, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 16:15, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: If only there was a free tshirt at the end of it Are you implying that there might be some sort of stockpile of t-shirts that Mr Forrester may be eager to offload...? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Jim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Future Everything fest
Hi All, Just wanted to say we'll be at the Future Everything festival all 3 days. The conference will have us talking about most things data including the semantic web and public data, Then Saturday we'll be talking part in Play Everything a unconference of play, music and technology at the Contatct Theatre, Manchester. We should have some super surprises for all... Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] A Five year retrospective
Don't forget to add all these experiences to the Memories map, as this is the kind of quirky stories we like. Only takes a moment to do https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dDdkRDlNY2RmVGNuTThoaTVURHVDdVE6MQ - Mapping Your BBC Backstage Memories Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of backst...@gorge.org Sent: 04 May 2010 12:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] A Five year retrospective On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 12:10:50PM +0100, Soulla Stylianou wrote: hmm. I could see a challenge in the offing if it wasn't likely to cause security breaches. How far can one person go on either a) a bbc backstage lanyard There are backstage lanyards? I must have missed that! Boo! b) a bbc backstage t-shirt. Not that I am suggesting peeps try it out - other than a hypothetical musing on a Tuesday.. Glasto would be too strict on security (although it's amazing how far you can get with a disabled wristband - I got as far as using the backstage toilets at the Pyramid, they flushed and everything!) A smaller gig, or a one-off with less well trained security - interesting idea! [snipped for gazillions of lines] -- Flash Bristow -www.gorge.org-07939 579090 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I prefer an email reply, but I will answer my phone after 1030am. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] A Five year retrospective
Wow! Tempting :) Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Jim Tonge Sent: 29 April 2010 18:05 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] A Five year retrospective I'll fill in one for a t-shirt: I'll even trade you for a (soon to be collector's item) Blast one! On 25 Apr 2010, at 00:54, Mr I Forrester wrote: I'm pretty sure we can find you a new backstage Tshirt Brian On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 16:35 +0100, Brian Butterworth wrote: The backstage t-shirts I have all have the old logo, that's what I'm saying. On 20 April 2010 16:28, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 16:15, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: If only there was a free tshirt at the end of it Are you implying that there might be some sort of stockpile of t-shirts that Mr Forrester may be eager to offload...? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ Jim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] A Five year retrospective
Come on guys only a few of you have filled in the forms. Please can you each fill in the forms, it would be great to hear your views on the best bits of backstage. Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mr I Forrester Sent: 15 April 2010 23:44 To: BBC Backstage Subject: [backstage] A Five year retrospective Hi All, Just in case you have not seen the blog (http://xrl.us/bhha3j), missed the tweet and dents... Its almost 5 years since Backstage launched into the public at OpenTech05 by Ben Metcalfe. Since then a lot of things have happened and changed. Who would have thought the political parties would be shouting about open data in their manifesto's. Anyhow, we're looking to build quite a mash-up but using you and your experiences as the data. I won't go into details right now but you can expect that the data will also be available for yourselves to build on too. So what you waiting for, fill in the forms and I look forward to seeing your answers aggregated together in the near future. https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dDdkRDlNY2RmVGNuTThoaTVURHVDdVE6MQ - Mapping Your BBC Backstage Memories http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHJYV0swTGxkZDRlYnBpeUJoSXg2WXc6MQ - Images of BBC Backstage Cheers, Ian Forrester - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] iPad and iPlayer
Paul Webster wrote: Ok - I admit it ... I have one. Any chance of adding iPad Safari user-agent to the list of things that look like an iPhone so that iPlayer works? Here are examples: iPad: Mozilla/5.0 (iPad; U; CPU OS 3_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.21.10 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.4 Mobile/7B367 Safari/531.21.10 iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16 I realise that it could be optimised for the display characteristics - but right now it is useless because BBC site asks for Flash. Personally, I would argue strongly against this on competition grounds. The BBC should not be in the business of promoting any one vendor who choses not to install flash on their platform for their own internal reasons. Iplayer 'works' on my platform. Well - to the extent of 3 frames a second with a following wind, and the video not keeping up with the audio. In a sane player - not flash - the content plays smoothly, and can output flawless video to a TV even. get_iplayer - and friends were very useful in the past. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester]
No I'd rather you not turn this into a Party Political debate. If you want that type of debate, I can suggest many other places. Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tim Dobson Sent: 07 April 2010 11:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] TODAY: Digital Economy Bill Flashmob, 5pm [Manchester] Mo McRoberts wrote: I’m fast running out of parties to vote for next month. The only party actually voicing real dissent is the one which introduced the bill! At risk of turning this into a party political debate, may I suggest the Pirate Party UK? :P Tim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer?
I don't think this is a conspircy (so you can take off the foil hat :) Its sounds like a error, or something went on longer than expected. Will forward to the iplayer team and see if we can't get the rest somehow. Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Christopher Woods Sent: 07 April 2010 01:14 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Any more DEB reading footage from today on iPlayer? (directed firstly towards iPlayer-knowledgeable Beeb staff but is an open question) Frustratingly only the first hour or so of today's House of Commons coverage is available on the iPlayer's primary entry for today, with no more footage forthcoming it would seem. (current episode: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00rzjy6/House_of_Commons_06_04_2010/ ) I've also seen the DEB's dedicated entry on the DemocracyLive site: http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_commons/newsid_8597000/85971 25.stm - but again, it's only a 2 hour stream from the start of the DEB debate. Today's debate lasted for well over six/seven contiguous hours - right up until 10pm from approx. 3pm (after the 10 Minute Rule first reading). Particularly given the importance of this Bill, might we be able to watch the whole of the first debate online eventually or is it never going to show up? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Inspiration: Digital Data - Physical Products
Toby you might have missed this from years ago - http://berglondon.com/projects/olinda/ It was what social radio listening could have been. Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of lists @ tobyz Sent: 30 March 2010 11:54 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Inspiration: Digital Data - Physical Products Hello List, I listened to the stream of a talk last night that I thought others here may appreciate. Its a discussion about moving beyond purely digital stuff, taking internet data and turning it into physical stuff. With the wealth of data the BBC publishes, it certainly started me thinking about what could happen... http://audio.sxsw.com/2010/podcasts/031610i_MapsBooksSpimes.mp3 Toby - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Why are iPlayer SD programmes encoded at funky resolutions?
I had wondered about this myself a while ago. So use to the underground scene of resolutions, it always seems strange when looking at others methods of distribution's choice of rez. Although I think Brian might be right about the aspect ratio Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 29 March 2010 08:38 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Why are iPlayer SD programmes encoded at funky resolutions? Isn't it because of the difference in pixel shapes between TVs and monitors? On TV, 16:9 in 720x576 the pixels are 1:1.89, on a computer monitor the pixels are 1:1. 832x468 is therefore the profile nearest the desired output of 1:1.89? http://www.ukfree.tv/fullstory.php?storyid=1107051225 On 29 March 2010 01:19, Christopher Woods chris...@infinitus.co.uk wrote: I've noticed for a while that the HQ iPlayer stuff (not the HD) is encoded at 832x468. (recent example: Australian F1, or pretty much every single high quality iPlayer video you look at). No complaints about the actual PQ, just really curious as to the technical decisions that led to this target output res. Is it some convoluted compromise to do with broadcast Pixel Aspect Ratios and square pixel conversion for H.264 encode or is there some other reason? Part of me always gets angsty not seeing 720x404 as the resolution if I measure whatever I'm watching ;) All insight appreciated... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
RE: [backstage] Podcasts feeds not working in Rythmbox
Have you tried another client like Banshee? Send us in the XML file as you get it your end. Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Scot McSweeney-Roberts Sent: 12 March 2010 13:18 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Podcasts feeds not working in Rythmbox Has something been done recently to the podcast feeds as I just noticed Rhythmbox is having an error with all the BBC podcasts I'm subscribed to (non BBC podcasts are working just fine). It looks like something has changed sometime between the 4th and the 11th as the 4th was the last In Our Time that worked. One weird thing is that the RSS Feed Validator is saying that the feed is valid, so maybe something has changed that while valid breaks Rhythmbox. Scot - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] RE: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] get_iplayer dropped in response to BBC’s lack of support for ope n source
Yes thank you off list Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mo McRoberts Sent: 10 March 2010 16:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] Re: [backstage] get_iplayer dropped in response to BBC’s lack of support for open source (Off-list, just to keep Ian Forrester’s job safe) Can you tar it up and sling me over a copy, if it’s not too much trouble? Many thanks if you can :) M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Video on Demand Dissertation Survey
p.s. I hope this doesn't break any of the house rules. There are house rules? Cripes. - So there are not exactly house rules, but its always good to run stuff like this pass me first just to make sure. Cheers, Ian - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Google Calendars
I'm not totally sure which ones you mean but the backstage one still exists (although I got to say I've not updated it much recently) http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/calendar or if you prefer - http://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/q7frqh0v016rki1769l9d7jlro%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Andy Smelt Sent: 01 March 2010 10:25 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Google Calendars Hi, Have just joined this list in order to find out what has happened to the BBC Google Calendars. They seem to have disappeared. I, for one (perhaps the only one!) found them very useful. Can anyone shed any light? Best Rgds, Andy
RE: [backstage] indefinitely live BBC archive?
Your right about the lawyers. As default they suggest you would be a mug to give away any part of the rights. I know I'm slightly bias but can I suggest http://free-culture.cc/ the book to anyone interested in how complex rights can get. When started RDTV, we took the stance of not using anything BBC pretty much, just in case there might be a contract or licence which held us from releasing the footage. Its like tip toeing in a live minefield. I do wish we were more enlightened about remix/free culture but the fact remains to most of the rights holders that all this is hippy nonsense unless its proven that they can make more revenue from giving away part of the rights. Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Rob Myers Sent: 01 March 2010 10:31 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] indefinitely live BBC archive? On 01/03/10 10:09, Paul Rissen wrote: Rights are important, and should be respected - but shouldn't be used as a weapon to scare off questions/solutions... And we've known that we need to tackle rights on new work (the rats nest of pre-digital rights would probably require legislation to untangle) for some years now. But it's difficult to persuade the people we need to persuade of this. Their lawyers tend to try and talk them out of it at the last moment in my experience and succeed far too often. - Rob. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] New prototype
Ah yes that's a lot nicer on the eyes now. I'll get a new screenshot up soon Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tim Coysh Sent: 28 February 2010 19:46 To: backstage Subject: Re: [backstage] New prototype Hello Again, I'm not sure if reviving this mail is the right thing to do, but I am doing it anyway. I realized this prototype a few weeks ago now - and I wasn't happy with it at all, especially with the design and the lack of features. I almost immediately decided to re-design and re-code the site to offer more information and features in an easier design, I have done this. http://www.radio1now.co.cc is the site in case you can't be bothered to read the top post again. The new features should be easily recognizable, you can scrobble the artists, search youtube and google plus much more. I sort of rushed this release, because I wanted to get it out of the way before Monday, so I haven't competly bug tested it. If you do notice any bugs - or see anything you would like changed, tell me and will be more than happy to! Thanks, Tim On 2 February 2010 00:16, Fearghas McKay fm-li...@st-kilda.org wrote: On 1 Feb 2010, at 22:54, Tim Coysh wrote: I would love to hear your ideas, I think that Ian's ideas could be a great help. Being able to bookmark artists would be useful IMO. Of course then you would need some registration stuff - but that is what OpenID/Federated Login lets you do without owning the hassle of personal data :-) Works fine under Safari on OSX 10.5.8. f - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- --- Tim Coysh
[backstage] RE: s...@bbc?
The XML file i'm talking about are mainly stuck in content management systems. But i highly suggest you look at the XML in http://mammoth.welcomebackstage.com/exist/rest/db/feeds/ at some point soon. (the server is being worked on so try in a few days) Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: Jonathan Chetwynd [mailto:j.chetw...@btinternet.com] Sent: 25 February 2010 15:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: Ian Forrester Subject: Re: s...@bbc? Ian, could you point to any particularly suitable xml files? eg http://www.honte.eu/playGo/games/Shusai-GoSeigen-19340119.xml xslt transforms client-side into an SVG board with pieces, that are played and captured using css, but could as easily be an html list of moves. regards Jonathan On 25 Feb 2010, at 13:00, Ian Forrester wrote: To my mind I can't think of any example of the BBC publishing or generating SVG, but I know quite a few of our content management systems could generate SVG tomorrow if there was the desire, take up and need. Cheers Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Jonathan Chetwynd Sent: 25 February 2010 12:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] s...@bbc? s...@bbc? Has the BBC published anything at all in SVG* format? regards Jonathan Chetwynd * Internet Explorer may soon support SVG**, and Ordinance Survey, National Standards Office and the Meteorological Office already publish data in SVG format... and standards based browsers now have an xslt processors, and this can provide a convenient client-side method for transforming xml into SVG. **Patrick Dengler Senior Program Manager Internet Explorer Team yesterday we submitted our request to join the Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) Working Group http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/ of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) http://www.w3.org/ http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/01/05/microsoft-joins-w3c-svg-working-group.aspx http://www.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this.
RE: [backstage] MHEG+
I'll ping Nick about this, but I got a feeling that maybe this was pre-Canvas? Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mo McRoberts Sent: 21 February 2010 00:45 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] MHEG+ ¡Hola! From the old BBCi Labs blog: “2. At 10:44am on 08 Jul 2008, nickgallon wrote: The MHEG+ toolkit is going to be made available via backstage very soon. We're just making sure that everything is in order legally before we post it. Hopefully, there will be an announcement via this blog when we get the all clear. Cheers Nick” http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcilabs/2008/07/mashed_interactive_tv.html Without wishing to nitpick, Feb 2010 isn’t really “very soon” from July 2008 :) Anybody got any ideas what the hold-up is, and whether they’re issues which can be resolved? Cheers! M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Cross platform and open widgets
Yes I know widgets are so 2008 but its interesting that the W3's Mobile widget spec is actually being used for Opera's Widget platform. HTML, CSS, JavaScript and SVG, seems ideal ground for developers to quickly make useful widgets http://labs.opera.com/news/2010/02/18/ http://labs.opera.com/news/2009/10/15/ Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Traffic Feed Android App Idea
Yes its pretty much what everyone has said already. Once your finished or get to release, just ping me or the backstage list a email and I'll write up a blog post if its a good prototype Cheers Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of John O'Donovan Sent: 17 February 2010 15:26 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Traffic Feed Android App Idea Backstage prototypes and applications have to attribute their use of data as supported by backstage.bbc.co.uk as part of the agreement, and they are subject to the same rules about personal, non-commercial use. http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/terms_of_use.html http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/terms_of_use.html Cheers, John O'Donovan Chief Technical Architect BBC Future Media Technology (Journalism) BC3 C1, Broadcast Centre, 201 Wood Lane, London http://news.bbc.co.uk/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/ On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 12:06 PM, adancy+backst...@gmail.com mailto:adancy%2bbackst...@gmail.com wrote: When I was developing iplayerconverter a couple of years ago I was basically told the following: 1. You must have the phrase supported by backstage.bbc.co.uk somewhere, which should link to the Backstage TCs page (not sure how that would apply for a mobile app - your idea of putting it on the about screen sounds sensible) 2. You can have generic ads (I use Google Adsense) so long as they aren't inappropriate (so no porn ads or suchlike) or too intrusive. 3. You can't make a significant profit from or charge for access to BBC content. So basically ads are for covering running costs and not making your fortune. 4. You can't use BBC logos or other branding (such as channel logos) without signing a separate branding agreement (unfortunately the branding agreement then specifically forbids you from running ads on the same page as BBC branding) Not sure if this is still the case - time for the voice from on high to clarify the current licensing situation perhaps? Andrew Dancy www.iplayerconverter.co.uk From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Piggott Sent: 17 February 2010 11:11 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Traffic Feed Android App Idea Hi, I am building an Android App to display BBC TPEG traffic and public transport data. The app will be free, but I want to put generic adverts at the bottom of the screen (provided by Admob). I will put an acknowledgement to BBC Backstage in my about screen. The Backstage website has alot of info about including feeds in websites, but not apps. I just want to make sure I am not breaking any TOC, by releasing the app to the Android market. PS How do you submit prototypes that are apps not websites on the BBC backstage website ? Regards M Piggott
RE: [backstage] XMBC iPlayer issues?
So I'm going to write this one up on the blog so people know how you all feel about this. If you don't want to be quoted on the blog, give me a quick shout now. Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Iain Wallace Sent: 24 February 2010 11:01 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] XMBC iPlayer issues? BTW RTMPE was already reverse-engineered and circumvented a while back. After (the mplayer guys I think) reverse engineered RTMP it was a small inconvenience bypassing the protection in RTMPE. However Adobe slapped the rtmpdump project with a DMCA and had it taken off Sourceforge (apparently, prompted by Channel 4). http://linuxcentre.net/rtmpdump-can-be-used-to-download-copyrighted-works-like-a-web-browser It is daft. There is more sophisticated crypto in the puzzle pages of Closer magazine. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Iain Wallace ikwall...@gmail.com wrote: It's fair enough the BBC prioritising the most popular platforms for roll out of their iPlayer software and letting 3rd parties develop their own (XBMC, Android) but users don't consider third party apps as being outside of the BBC. The result of this is that when the BBC (intentionally or not) makes a change which breaks them, it's the license payers that feel wronged. The XBMC app was harmless but I expect all the people that now can't use it will be downloading nice HD copies of all the TV they're missing to their hard drives instead of streaming it, which I had assumed was something the BBC was trying to avoid. Some day the BBC will learn that they actually output a lot of good stuff and all people want to do is watch it. We've already paid for it - it's very difficult to see how it could be regarded as stealing, however it's acquired. Iain On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Glyn Wintle glynwin...@yahoo.com wrote: The streaming servers have enabled SWF Verification, which makes absolutely no sense The Register have also covered this http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/24/iplayer_xbmc_adobe_swf_verifi cation/ Technically easy to beat, but given that by passing copyright protection mechanisms is illegal in the EU and America it means it can not be rolled out to the general population. Bonkers idea BBC. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] s...@bbc?
To my mind I can't think of any example of the BBC publishing or generating SVG, but I know quite a few of our content management systems could generate SVG tomorrow if there was the desire, take up and need. Cheers Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Jonathan Chetwynd Sent: 25 February 2010 12:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] s...@bbc? s...@bbc? Has the BBC published anything at all in SVG* format? regards Jonathan Chetwynd * Internet Explorer may soon support SVG**, and Ordinance Survey, National Standards Office and the Meteorological Office already publish data in SVG format... and standards based browsers now have an xslt processors, and this can provide a convenient client-side method for transforming xml into SVG. **Patrick Dengler Senior Program Manager Internet Explorer Team yesterday we submitted our request to join the Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) Working Group http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/ of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) http://www.w3.org/ http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2010/01/05/microsoft-joins-w3c-svg-working-group.aspx
RE: [backstage] XMBC iPlayer issues?
Oh don't worry I saw it, thanks Mo. I do wish the people on the xbmc thread would read more of backstage, there's a lot of moaners on the thread but I'm more concerned that no one is answering the questions. Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mo McRoberts Sent: 25 February 2010 13:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] XMBC iPlayer issues? On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:35, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: So I'm going to write this one up on the blog so people know how you all feel about this. Heh, I actually posted a link to the archive for this thread in a comment to the bbcinternet blog. That'll teach me to not pay attention! If you don't want to be quoted on the blog, give me a quick shout now. Quote away... M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
Well I think this is the issue, in a nutshell. I can't, won't talk for the rest of the BBC but it seems if your streaming iplayer content inside the UK on to your PC device, that's fine. However if you download the files your on the wrong side of a line. If it was that simple that would be great but if your streaming to a consumer device/appliance then your also on the wrong side of the imaginary line. This gets very tricky when you create a plugin for something like XBMC,Boxee,Plex which can be both a PC and appliance. The notions of device, appliance and PC are very blured but it sounds like deals have been done based on there differences. Generally if you take the p*** I'll get shouted at and I'll ask you nicely to close the service/script/prototype :) of course breaking the backstage licence will you a heavy knock at the door :) That seems really arbitrary. I'm running Boxee on a desktop OS but it only acts as a set top box. Is it a set top box because it's attached to my TV or is my TV merely a very large LCD monitor with a (largely unused TV tuner)? Boxee has an iPlayer app and AFAIK it works just by pretending to be one of the various games consoles that iPlayer works with and invoking the games console UI. Presumably this is OK as no one has said anything about that plugin. Even weirder, no one ever told us not to write scripts to download video off iPlayer, even unofficially. I'd have thought that was the first place they'd start if they were going to close down projects. Oh well. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV
Sorry been out at Fosdem, so missed this. Will post it up on backstage, good work Tweed! Still enjoy XBMC with iplayer support but this will make the Apple TV a lot more interesting for friends of mine. Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Jonathan Tweed Sent: 03 February 2010 13:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer for Apple TV On 3 Feb 2010, at 13:09, Mo McRoberts wrote: Really really not a fan of Boxee's UI. Nor XMBC's, for that matter. Both seem pretty sluggish on the aTV, especially compared to the native UI. Which is exactly why I made this. I didn't buy an Apple TV to run Boxee. Cheers Jonathan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Fwd: Slashdot| Apple's Trend Away From Tinkering
Tim Dobson wrote: Thoughts on postcard? My postcard only has tickboxes for 'wish you were here', 'having a lovely time' and 'Had a lovely time at iDisney', all the rest of the card is too slippery to write on, what do I do? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC Backstage RDTV ep3 (long version) - Video
Which feed are you using? Should be using this http://blip.tv/rss/bookmarks/187690 | itpc://blip.tv/rss/bookmarks/187690 for the long versions http://blip.tv/rss/bookmarks/187691 | itpc://blip.tv/rss/bookmarks/187691 http://blip.tv/rss/bookmarks/187691 for the short versions Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Lee Stone Sent: 01 February 2010 19:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Backstage RDTV ep3 (long version) - Video I'm just looking at sticking the RSS feed into iTunes so I don't miss any future episodes but have noticed the RSS only has the first episode in it - not sure if there is something you can give a kick to get them all in there. Cheers, Lee Lee Stone Twitter: @leesto On 1 February 2010 13:23, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Talking of video... Sneaky peak at RDTV ep3 long version which has been long time coming... http://blip.tv/file/3153532 I'm uploading the other versions including ogg/theora as we speak Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] New prototype
Excellent stuff Tim, will post to the backstage blog soon. I was thinking the other day, wouldn't it be interesting if it could also work slightly behind the time. So if you were listening to radio on catch up it would have the exact information as showed before. I guess you also match the time delay with audioscrobbler to create the same effect? Or even better if you were listening to the podcast, it replay all the meta for that slice of time. Humm, maybe a diagram will make more sense than explaining it? Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tim Coysh Sent: 31 January 2010 22:56 To: backstage Subject: Re: [backstage] New prototype Brian, Yes I do, Thanks anyway. I havent used this feature much, as the Musicbrainz ID Tag is not usually scrobbled. If you look in the Similar Artists box, you can see the BBC Music Link there. Tim Coysh On 31 January 2010 20:35, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: Tim, Looking quite good for a prototype. Do you know about http://musicbrainz.org/ and how it integrates into the http://www.bbc.co.uk/music system? An example Massive Attack is at http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artists/10adbe5e-a2c0-4bf3-8249-2b4cbf6e6ca8 ? On 31 January 2010 19:19, Tim Coysh tjcr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello BBC Backstage, In the last few weeks I have been working on a simple system, similar to Chris Riley's trackplaying, of showing the currently playing song on BBC Radio and providing some information about the song and artist. I have never sent an email to a mailing list before, but I am hoping this would be the best way of telling BBC enthusiasts about my site. The site is currently designed to be user-friendly, and uses a simple design and interface. In addition to the main feature of showing the currently playing song, I have compiled a list of all songs which have been 'scrobbled' to the BBC Radio 1 last.fm account (Which is where the information is retrieved) since its creation in 2005. This could hopefully prove to be very useful in finding 'trends' of songs played etc. Depending on the amount of use this gets, I will create a database for the other radio stations as well. I am fairly new to web programming, only starting last year. I was hoping this website could be a way to expand my website programming knowledge and so far its proved to be very good at that. The site is located at http://www.radio1now.co.cc Thanks, Tim Coysh -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
RE: [backstage] Canvas consultation responses due by 5pm tomorrow
Good call, sent out via Identical and twitter. Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mo McRoberts Sent: 01 February 2010 10:04 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Canvas consultation responses due by 5pm tomorrow On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 09:58, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: http://tinyurl.com/canvas3rd for details of the consultation or http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/consultations/departments/bbc/trust-asse ssment-of-canvas-proposals---third-consultation/consultation/consult_v iew Oops, very good point! M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] BBC Backstage RDTV ep3 (long version) - Video
Talking of video... Sneaky peak at RDTV ep3 long version which has been long time coming... http://blip.tv/file/3153532 I'm uploading the other versions including ogg/theora as we speak Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC RD Move- Video
Hardly ever crashes. For example I left it running on a spare laptop from Wednesday Today encoding RDTV into a number of different formats and there was no problems. Even when editing it was all good, except I couldn't always get sound out due to Pulseaudio issues. Oh and I had a problem with Mp3 audio on my own laptop which was fixed by convert it to Wav. Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mo McRoberts Sent: 01 February 2010 13:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC RD Move- Video On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 13:28, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Oh you might also be interested that RDTV ep3 (long edition) was edited using only Kdenlive on Ubuntu - http://arstechnica.com/open-source/guides/2010/01/video-editing-in-lin ux-a-look-at-pitivi-and-kdenlive.ars Interesting - I was reading that article a couple of hours ago. How often does it crash for you? :) M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] iPad
cubicgaren.com will always be down :) Its cubicgarden.com and its up trust me. Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 28 January 2010 17:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad Ian, I don't know where you host cubicgaren.com (at home, perhaps) but it's very often down, as it is now... 2010/1/28 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk I tried calling him but he wouldn't take my call. Something about a blog entry I wrote about the ipad? :) http://cubicgarden.com/wordpress/2010/01/27/the-apple-ipad-underwelming-but-not-a-bad-price/ Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn Sent: 28 January 2010 16:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] iPad heh, we have a virtual steadicam system in RD that could address this problem (the motion sickness thing)... has anyone got Steve Jobs' phone number? From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Kraskin Sent: 28 January 2010 13:49 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad I'd agree to a gentleman's wager that the second generation will have a front facing camera and a native application just for this purpose. - Original Message - From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Thu Jan 28 08:37:23 2010 Subject: RE: [backstage] iPad I can see why they didn’t put a camera on it. Who’s going to be bother holding the thing still enough to enable decent chat? It would be a nightmare to try and hold it out in front of your face and even worse for the person getting motion sickness on the other end. From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Kraskin Sent: 28 January 2010 13:28 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad Re camera, I want it for the exact same reason every single apple laptop has one. Not point and shoot, but video chat. And if developers do change because of this, that's great, and perhaps then it will make sense to buy one. - Original Message - From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Thu Jan 28 07:56:06 2010 Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:20, Michael Kraskin michael.kras...@bbc.com wrote: I think the no-Flash means that it a seriously crippled web browser. Hardly the best way to browse the internet, and thus will be a serious
RE: [backstage] iPad
Thanks for the link. I got to agree with Tom's comments and ultimately this is what bugs me the most about Apple. They use to be a think different company, and at the forefront of aiding your creativity. Now there just a appliance maker. As pointed out, appliances are not geek/hacker friendly and that worries me deeply. How many consume only devices do we need? How's the next backstage prototype going to come from someone using an iPad? Most of this stuff is discussed to its logical end in http://futureoftheinternet.org/ Which is a great book to read... Also its free as in beer I found this link off while browsing, http://www.slate.com/id/2242556/pagenum/all/ Not everyone will celebrate this new experience in computing. Making PCs simpler to use will also inevitably make them less customizable. For most techies, customizability is the soul of computing. Google's Android has gained a following among engineer-types precisely because it is endlessly flexible; you can peer into its deepest recesses of code and tinker with all that you find there, producing some amazing modifications. But tinkerers are a limited market; there are lots of people who like to soup up their cars, but there are lots more who don't. If Apple is wise—and I'm betting it is—it'll build a tablet for the large majority of people who just want it to work. This always urks me. Tinkerers? Is someone who puts fluffy dice in there car a tinkerer or not? The person who chooses to add a CD changer or puts a roof rack on top, a tinkerer? Apple was built on tinkerers, and now there closing the door on the next generation. Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Morris Sent: 29 January 2010 02:55 To: backstage Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 22:37, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: So, what does everyone think? I quoted it earlier on my blog - Alex Payne (@al3x) states succintly what the problem is with closed platforms like the iPad: The thing that bothers me most about the iPad is this: if I had an iPad rather than a real computer as a kid, I’d never be a programmer today. I’d never have had the ability to run whatever stupid, potentially harmful, hugely educational programs I could download or write. - http://al3x.net/2010/01/28/ipad.html I'm preaching to the choir here - the first computers I used were both open and booted straight to a BASIC prompt (BBC B booted straight to BBC BASIC, and the Amstrad CPC 6128 booted to AMSBASIC). Back then, games and accessories were pretty expensive - £25-£30 (£30 in 1990 money is £45 in 2009 money, remember), and no Internet, meant the only thing to do was to play around and write code. Now, to programme on my Mac, I have to install a special developer kit from the DVD. On Windows, you can hack, but it's not at all clear how to unless you really rummage around a bit. Okay, so Apple have made a closed platform. Big deal. What concerns me more about the iPad and the rise of proprietary App Stores (there are people saying that there ought to be app stores for Windows and Mac OS X!) is the reaction of the geeks is don't worry, web apps will save us. I've seen so many people say this - Joe Hewitt, Chris Messina and many others. Except web apps won't save us. Web apps will always be a second class citizen. How about any software that requires a bit of oomph? I bring up three examples always: Final Cut Pro, Eclipse, Crysis. Last time I checked, browsers weren't much good at chucking polygons around compared to the cheap and widespread graphics cards in everybody's computers (don't let the length of the spec fool you: HTML5 does not contain OpenGL hidden inside!). And they will never have full platform access. On the iPhone, how do you get access to the Notifications API from a web app? (Best I can think of is e-mail or Twitter.) And what if there's data that's supposed to be a little bit more private? And, it doesn't solve Alex Payne's issue: it basically splits the world into two - the haves and the have-nots. The haves live in a world of computers, compilers and servers. The have-nots, even if they have great ideas, don't get to play in that world. They don't even get to play at the shallow end and! build webpages or write JavaScript hacks (sorry, no Firebug for you, no text editor, no filesystem even!). -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http
Re: [backstage] iPad
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RE: [backstage] iPad
I tried calling him but he wouldn't take my call. Something about a blog entry I wrote about the ipad? :) http://cubicgarden.com/wordpress/2010/01/27/the-apple-ipad-underwelming-but-not-a-bad-price/ Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn Sent: 28 January 2010 16:15 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] iPad heh, we have a virtual steadicam system in RD that could address this problem (the motion sickness thing)... has anyone got Steve Jobs' phone number? From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Kraskin Sent: 28 January 2010 13:49 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad I'd agree to a gentleman's wager that the second generation will have a front facing camera and a native application just for this purpose. - Original Message - From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Thu Jan 28 08:37:23 2010 Subject: RE: [backstage] iPad I can see why they didn't put a camera on it. Who's going to be bother holding the thing still enough to enable decent chat? It would be a nightmare to try and hold it out in front of your face and even worse for the person getting motion sickness on the other end. From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Kraskin Sent: 28 January 2010 13:28 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad Re camera, I want it for the exact same reason every single apple laptop has one. Not point and shoot, but video chat. And if developers do change because of this, that's great, and perhaps then it will make sense to buy one. - Original Message - From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Sent: Thu Jan 28 07:56:06 2010 Subject: Re: [backstage] iPad On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:20, Michael Kraskin michael.kras...@bbc.com wrote: I think the no-Flash means that it a seriously crippled web browser. Hardly the best way to browse the internet, and thus will be a serious disappointment, not only to power users, but to casual internet surfers as well. As a user, the lack of Flash won't affect me much, if at all. fewer ads, and that's about it. The kids won't get near it, as CBeebies appears to be built almost entirely in Flash (much the same with Club Penguin), but I can't say I'd consider them not wanting to get their grubby fingers on it a bad thing (though there are plenty of games in the App Store they'd like instead). As a web developer, I can't remember the last time web developers influenced browsers and not the other way around. Can't see that one changing any time soon: if the iPad is successful, websites will stop relying on Flash being ubiquitous (either degrading where Flash isn't present, or doing something else entirely), assuming they and the iPad share customer demographics. The no-camera thing just screams wait for the second generation before you buy one Why on earth would you want a camera on a device whose form factor is utterly opposed to the hold-up-point-and-shoot facilities in mobile phones which made digital photography mainstream? Not saying you're wrong, just that I can't fathom it. M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately
RE: [backstage] iPad
No more Macs. I'm done feeding this beast - for the same reason I was done feeding the Microsoft beast a few years ago. I'm not sure what I do now. I'll continue using the Mac I have until it needs replacing. Then whatever I get won't be a Mac. If Linux still doesn't quite fit, I'll hack together a Hackintosh. I'm hoping that in the next year or two, I can finally move over to the open source Promised Land. ;) See http://tommorris.org/wiki/Things_preventing_me_from_moving_to_Linux_full_time - Found just the thing for you Tom - http://www.haiku-os.org/ Its BeOS but Open source, the alpha is actually quite good - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Users just want video to work. You Mozilla people are such idealists?
Kieran Kunhya wrote: For 720p25 you might need more than 3.5Mbps for more demanding scenes. (Except increasing the bitrate or using a better encoder will make iPlayer look better than the broadcast...) You do get an awful lot better results when you are not compressing in real time, of course, because you can use all the MPEG4 forward references, the ones you don't get when you real time encode. Real-time encoding with Bi-predictive frames (B-frames) in H.264 doesn't work like that. There's a frame delay in order for B-frame encoding to take place. Most encoders worth their while also have a lookahead for deciding frame-types and bit rate allocation. (Sometimes this is called 2-pass realtime, which is a bit of a misnomer for marketing reasons. Some marketing people for manufacturers seem to spread this myth that more passes is always better). Using x264 with a recent CPU, if you ran it at realtime even at 720...@3mbit you'd most likely do better than the £50k+ broadcast encoder at 1080i merely because we're generations ahead of most (if not all) of the H.264 hardware and software out there. Naturally, with 2-pass you can allocate bits more efficiently but the benefits aren't as significant as they once were. wouldn't it be 'easy' to statmux across channels - by using psuedo multipass? You two encoders per channel - one whatever frame depth in front of the other, and use the ideally required bitrate on each channel to inform the 'real' codec of its bandwidth allocation? For sufficiently high values of easy of course. This should work well, especially with 1997 films starring Bruce Willis. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Mail archives
Alright Steve and Brian I get the message :) Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 26 January 2010 09:35 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Mail archives IMHO Majordomo is the IE6 of discussion software. Or perhaps it should be the MS-DOS 3.3? 2010/1/26 Stephen Jolly st...@jollys.org On 25 Jan 2010, at 14:27, Mo McRoberts wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:43, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: I agree but there was no clear idea what we should do except maybe move the whole thing to Mailman? There was a consensus for Mailman, although I don't think anybody hates Majordomo enough to stamp feet over it! I hate Majordomo enough to stamp feet over it. ;-) S - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
RE: [backstage] Users just want video to work. You Mozilla people are such idealists?
Open source H.264 isn't pursued by MPEG-LA anyway. The issue of encoders is fine, you just use x264 (which is the project I work on), which is the best H.264 encoder in the world in the majority of use-cases. - You work on the x.264 project? Tell us more... I've always been interested how x.264 and h.264 related to each other and co-exist. Is its simply a case like how Divx and Xvid work together or is there more ? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] MusicDNA and ItunesLP
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/01/is-the-world-ready-for-the-successor-of-the-mp3/ This is meant to make music piricay less tempting, so they say. I just can't understand why someone hasn't made a decent XML format to describe related items to a local or even remote tune/media. Yes I've looked at itunesLP and came away feeling a bit dirty (http://ituneslp.net/tutorials/). Maybe I should Lazyweb this one? :) Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Users just want video to work. You Mozilla people are such idealists?
OH I see :) hummm, for reason I thought there was also a codec based on H.264 call x.264 Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mo McRoberts Sent: 26 January 2010 12:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Users just want video to work. You Mozilla people are such idealists? On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:48, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: I've always been interested how x.264 and h.264 related to each other and co-exist. Is its simply a case like how Divx and Xvid work together or is there more ? [the question wasn't directed at me, but...] I'm not sure I follow? x264 is an encoder, H.264 is the specification. Just like Schroedinger/Dirac, or LAME/MP3. M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Mail archives
I agree but there was no clear idea what we should do except maybe move the whole thing to Mailman? Because the list is public, I guess there is nothing stopping it being archived in multiple places if you know anywhere better? Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mo McRoberts Sent: 22 January 2010 18:20 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Mail archives Hi all, I know things are due to change on this list at *some* point (presumably post-move!), but this has been bugging me for a while :) I might be the only one, but I find mail-archive.com to be… suboptimal, it's quite often incredibly slow (sometimes to the point of being unusable). So, I was wondering if there'd be any objections to submitting the backstage list to gmane.org? Given it's a fairly public list with public archives, I can’t think of any reasons to _not_ do it, but thought it polite to solicit opinions form other members before jumping in with both feet! M. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] New Backstage Blog
Just in case you missed it, Last week was the 5th unofficial Anniversary of Backstage.bbc.co.uk. I say unofficial because it was officially launched in May at OpenTech05 but quite a few people were given access to the news/sports feeds ahead of time. To go with the Anniversary, we have launched our new blog - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcbackstage/ alongside a new landing page for backstage.bbc.co.uk. As mentioned in the top current blog post, not everything is quite done yet. For example there is lots of links which go to different locations. We'll be working on these soon. I'm also expecting to upload RDTV ep3 (the long version) up this week which I think you'll all get a kick out of. Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Come join us in Salford Quays - BBC Job
http://jobs.bbc.co.uk/fe/tpl_bbc01.asp?newms=jjid=31390aid=10281 We're looking for talented developers to join the North Lab ahead of the move to Salford. Hopefully I'll be working closer with some of you in the near future. Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Mail archives
Well if its you Michael, certainly :) Arrest him now. Secret[x] Private[x] Public[x] ;) Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Smethurst Sent: 25 January 2010 13:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Mail archives On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: I agree but there was no clear idea what we should do except maybe move the whole thing to Mailman? Because the list is public, I guess there is nothing stopping it being archived in multiple places if you know anywhere better? Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Better archives would be great! but should the archiver software refuse to publish anything with a .sig file marked 'Private[x]' ? and if i try to access one marked 'Secret[x]' do i run the risk of arrest? cheers, Dan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Mail archives
Semantically talking maybe yes :) Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Dan Brickley Sent: 25 January 2010 13:09 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Mail archives On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: I agree but there was no clear idea what we should do except maybe move the whole thing to Mailman? Because the list is public, I guess there is nothing stopping it being archived in multiple places if you know anywhere better? Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Better archives would be great! but should the archiver software refuse to publish anything with a .sig file marked 'Private[x]' ? cheers, Dan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Mail archives
I'll submit to gmane, which means I can start accessing the list via NNTP (hurrah) - I guess others should feel free to submit to other places if they think it's worthwhile? --- Sure as long as there's not too much cross posting. Backstage should stay on topic :) More low-level exposure for backstage amongst the sorts of places developers hang out is probably a good thing :) --- Agreed, but its quite a noisy mailing list right now, so I'd rather people come because they want to rather than it being forced upon them. Secret[] Private[x] Public[] ^^ I doubt any archival system will pay much attention to this, though :D --- Oh I know, I just wish I could have a rule that when I'm emailing the list, it would automatically change it to public, as I forget sometimes :) I'm not flawless :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
Hummm what's this I spy here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcbackstage/2010/01/freeview-hd-content-management.shtml Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Frank Wales Sent: 23 January 2010 17:54 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management Mo McRoberts wrote: It’s almost as though Ofcom (and the BBC, and distributors) believe the illicit file-sharing is bound by geographical restrictions, though that’s so crazy it can’t possibly be true… Are you suggesting that these organizations don't fully understand the media landscape they're presiding over? Why, that's...inconceivable! -- Frank Wales [fr...@limov.com] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Users just want video to work. You Mozilla people are such idealists?
Somewhat related to the discussion already going on? http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/jan/25/firefox-open-video-support Idealists or pioneers? Interesting block at the bottom, Web video has never really been open, unencumbered and free. We've had Real Networks RM format, Apple's QuickTime, Microsoft's Windows Media Video (now standardised as VC-1), the DivX and XviD codecs, and Adobe Flash among others. There might never be one open standard, simply because some content owners will want to include DRM (Digital Rights Management) copy restrictions. However, the web would benefit from having an open, unencumbered and free video format that enabled HTML programmers to include a video as easily as they now include a headline or a photo, wouldn't it? How do we get to that? Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
Good thinking :) So not use to tweeting my blog entries and MT doesn't have that support in the version we use on blogs.bbc.co.uk Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 25 January 2010 16:58 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management Given it a go, going to Tweet it and things. 2010/1/25 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk Hummm what's this I spy here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcbackstage/2010/01/freeview-hd-content-management.shtml Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Frank Wales Sent: 23 January 2010 17:54 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management Mo McRoberts wrote: It’s almost as though Ofcom (and the BBC, and distributors) believe the illicit file-sharing is bound by geographical restrictions, though that’s so crazy it can’t possibly be true… Are you suggesting that these organizations don't fully understand the media landscape they're presiding over? Why, that's...inconceivable! -- Frank Wales [fr...@limov.com] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
[backstage] BarCampBankLondon 3
And the 2nd one Some of you might be interested in BarCampBankLondon3 taking place at PayPal's Richmond office on January 30th. The aim of BarCampBank is to foster innovation and the creation of new business models in the world of finance. BarCampBankLondon has been attended by many (prob. most) of London's financial startups. It is organised by Dave Birch of Consult Hyperion. (They're currently working on the new TfL payment systems.) At a BarCamp, you just turn up, suggest or pick sessions that interest you, and get started. Everyone should aim bring a technology, some know-how or just an opinion to share. It's an informal conference - there are no sales pitches. (Well, other than PayPal, but it's their office!) Previous topics have included: * Writing a free portfolio risk management system * Causes of and grass roots solutions to the credit crunch * Development of p2p lending and microfinance * Credit Clearing, and the use of a Value Standard * Mobile Biometric Payments Here's a meetup link: http://www.meetup.com/BarCampBankLondon3/calendar/12136736/
Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
Mo McRoberts wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 16:41, Kieran Kunhya kie...@kunhya.com wrote: I like the way Ofcom have totally missed the point about Linux/Open Source presuming it refers to STBs running Linux. The reality is, STB manufacturers don't really have the luxury of being able to: a) ignore the licensing terms of the open source DVB stacks; b) reverse-engineer the decoding tables; c) obtain the tables from the BBC but breach the non-disclosure terms; or d) release a box which doesn't support FVHD ...even if they wanted to. There is a third alternative. B) obtain the decoded tables from a third party in a country where this decryption is not illegal. I am unsure of the legality of this. It would of course imply that the device would need an internet connection - but... - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Freeview HD Content Management
Mo McRoberts wrote: Of course, from an anti-piracy perspective, as soon as ONE person leaks the tables, all bets are off. As much as the BBC will claim the tables are its “intellectual property”, from what I know of copyright law it would be difficult to claim that they were © BBC; no other part of the various IP laws both applies here Database Right. This is - in the simplest explanation - copyright for databases. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_right - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] data.gov.uk - about time?
http://www.data.gov.uk/ I can certainly say backstage had a hand in making this happen. Cheers, Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Youtube rolls out Html5 video support
Yep I was going to say Tim you've been too busy with your head in Slashdot. http://blog.dailymotion.com/2009/05/27/watch-videowithout-flash/ also - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/rad/2009/08/html5.html Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Barry Carlyon Sent: 21 January 2010 11:44 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Youtube rolls out Html5 video support This has been around for a while. Albeit in beta. Just waiting for browsers to catch up... On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Tim Dobson li...@tdobson.net wrote: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-10438578-248.html http://youtube-global.blogspot.com/2010/01/introducing-youtube-html5-supported.html http://www.youtube.com/html5 The pressure's on! - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Barry Carlyon Located Between Al-Jazeera and BBC Radio 1 SRA Chart Officer Webmaster: http://LSRfm.com - Leeds Student Radio http://barrycarlyon.co.uk mobile: 07729 048 443 office: 0113 380 1281 skype: barrycarlyon email: ba...@barrycarlyon.co.uk msn: ba...@barrycarlyon.co.uk
RE: [backstage] Youtube rolls out Html5 video support
Nope HTML 5 working is still on going. I like Brendan Quinn's example because it brings a lot of standard technologies together instead of opting for one monolithic stack. I had a recording which I couldn't release of Antoine Quint of Joost talking at Xtech 07 about their standard stack they used in a compound document way - http://2007.xtech.org/public/schedule/speaker/93 to generate the Joost App. Really interesting this is all now fully working and usable Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Barry Carlyon Sent: 21 January 2010 14:26 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Youtube rolls out Html5 video support Have they actually finished writing the HTML5 Spec yet? On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Brendan Quinn brendan.qu...@bbc.co.uk wrote: The second one obviously depends on SVG (the name is a bit of a giveaway :-) but from looking at the source of the mozilla demo, the only SVG is the rendering of the circle and triangle to make the play button. Shame that it didn't work in Safari... I suppose one thing Flash has in its favour is that it works across all common browsers... :-/ Brendan. From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Jonathan Chetwynd Sent: 21 January 2010 14:02 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Youtube rolls out Html5 video support http://people.mozilla.com/~prouget/demos/DynamicContentInjection/play.xhtml didn't work for me in Safari, http://my.opera.com/MacDev_ed/blog/2007/11/21/svg-at-the-movies-take-two is an Opera version, also from a few years ago, rotating, zooming video etc... iirc both URLs rely on SVG for the video, rather than HTML5 as it were... regards Jonathan Chetwynd -- Barry Carlyon Located Between Al-Jazeera and BBC Radio 1 SRA Chart Officer Webmaster: http://LSRfm.com - Leeds Student Radio http://barrycarlyon.co.uk mobile: 07729 048 443 office: 0113 380 1281 skype: barrycarlyon email: ba...@barrycarlyon.co.uk msn: ba...@barrycarlyon.co.uk
RE: [backstage] Youtube rolls out Html5 video support
Talking of SVG = http://xml.coverpages.org/newsletter/news2010-01-06.html#cite4 Microsoft joins the SVG WG Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Jonathan Chetwynd Sent: 21 January 2010 16:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Youtube rolls out Html5 video support yes well Joost + Antoine definitely did use SVG, before they abandoned their plugin and joined flash... they even had a developer-mashup meet I attended... best ~: On 21 Jan 2010, at 15:21, Ian Forrester wrote: http://2007.xtech.org/public/schedule/speaker/93
Re: [backstage] BBC iPlayer and the Nokia N900
Adam wrote: Hi, Nokia have released the Nokia N900 phone based on their Maemo operating system. As it doesn't support S60 WRT that the current Nokia phones iPlayer app is written in is there anyway i can access the iPlayer videos directly. I can access the current videos and play them, but they are unwatchable as the phone can't handle them. This might be due to the standard streams using the VP6 codec, although i haven't been able to confirm this. The specs are: * Firefox Mobile browser * Flash 9.4 * Maemo OS based on Debian with ARM processor * User Agent Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv7l; en-GB; rv:1.9.2a1pre) Gecko/20090928 Firefox/3.5 Maemo Browser 1.4.1.21 RX-51 N900 Is there a work around to get iPlayer working on this phone and videos watchable? I have been using the silly workaround of get_iplayer on my desktop, then transcoding the files. mplayer on the device will actually - just - cope with the flash - with appropriate switches - mplayer -vfm ffmpeg -lavdopts skiploopfilt =all Top_Gear_Series_14_-_Episode_1_b00p1lgb_default.flv The 'proper' flash player is laughably slower though. Flash slowness is pretty much my only annoyance with the device. Other than the cheap gits only including one stylus. You can of course run get_iplayer and transcode on the device itself, but that's not very fast :) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] The browser wars, reloaded?
2017 right after the Vista upgrade right? Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mo McRoberts Sent: 15 December 2009 10:24 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] The browser wars, reloaded? On 15-Dec-2009, at 10:17, Andrew Bowden wrote: Last I checked, so is (much of) the BBC. I'm sure somebody here is well-placed to correct me if this is no longer the case! As far as I know, all the BBC now has IE7 installed, however it was only a few months ago that they did the upgrade. So presumably the upgrade to IE8 will happen in about 2017? ;) M. -- mo mcroberts http://nevali.net iChat: mo.mcrobe...@me.com Jabber/GTalk: m...@ilaven.net Twitter: @nevali Run Leopard or Snow Leopard? Set Quick Look free with DropLook - http://labs.jazzio.com/DropLook/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] What is TV?
Brian Butterworth wrote: Another way of looking at TV is that is the delivery of audio visual services using high capacity omnidirectional technology. I think you mean broadcast. Clearly, in 1980, you absolutely cannot do 'video on demand' for everyone. The playback technology diddn't exist, the networks diddn't exist, the end-user terminal would have cost more than the house. In 1990, little had changed. By 2000, you could just about do it, with huge amounts of investment - tens of billions? In 2010, it's an annoying amount of infrastructure, and there are many bottlenecks in some parts of the country. In 2020 - several megabit bandwidths will typically be available to most peoples phones, and certainly not a problem for several peoples streams to the home. In 2030 - 'Now - your grandparents used to all sit down at the same time...' Going from now to then is going to be the fun part - and the only certainty is that lots of people will lose their shirts along the way, and government will feel the need to 'do something'. In 2030, I don't see any drivers that will lead away from the majority of the market being pay-per-view in some form. This does not quite mean the death of channels. For example. 7AM on a monday - the new Dr Who - series 24 episode 13 becomes available for bidding. There are several sorts of rights that purchasers can buy. They can buy regionally exclusive rights - for example - a channel can buy the right to show Dr Who in the UK over the next 3 days for all their users for 5p/copy, with any other channels paying 20p/copy if they wish to show it during the 3 days, and individuals paying 30p. Individuals can also purchase the rights to watch - if you want to watch on monday, it's going to be more expensive than if you wait 8 weeks. It can be cheaper for you to purchase a channel package, which will have adverts targetted at you as digital product placement in the program - the dalek will have a BQ, Lidl or Ikea toilet plunger on it. You may even have premium and non-premium channels - where the non-premium channels pick up everything after a week. Then, you will I suspect have the government effectively bidding on certain classes of program, the 'crown jewels'. I'd also expect some programs to be 'shareware' - where viewing is free, and you can pay what you like at the end. If the program makes money, it keeps getting made. And many other forms of distribution. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] The browser wars, reloaded?
http://bit.ly/4IeduN Just picked up from Twitter, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] What is TV?
Mo McRoberts wrote: Discuss. TV is live simultaneous transmission of pictures, where you can have a large number of people over a significant distance watching one event. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] What is TV?
Ian Stirling wrote: Mo McRoberts wrote: Discuss. TV is live simultaneous transmission of pictures, where you can have a large number of people over a significant distance watching one event. Or to be more accurate, simultanenous reception of a television program service licenced under the appropriate act of parlianment. (at least for some legal definitions) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Google Wave - Too early for consumers
Hi All, I was at Social Media Café Manchester yesterday and there was a session about Wave. I and Paul Robertson stated the fact that the wave people are there seeing isn't wave at all. Its simply a rough cut implementation of what's possible with the wave protocol. http://search.twitter.com/search?q=ands=wavephrase=ors=nots=tag=smc_mcrlang=allfrom=to=ref=near=within=15units=misince=2009-11-30until=2009-12-02rpp=15 So during the rest of the discussion and reading this - http://orchard.co.uk/Blog/Google-Wave-much-maligned-but-missunderstood-128.aspx, I'm wondered if Google had put out wave too early for consumers? What do others think? Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] MSIE Marketshare at 4%...
Talking of Google Wave, has anyone setup or played with there own Wave server yet? I was also quite impressed by Novell's Pulse product. http://mashable.com/2009/11/04/novell-pulse/ Cheers, Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Lee Ball Sent: 30 November 2009 12:01 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] MSIE Marketshare at 4%... On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 20:31, Dave Crossland d...@lab6.com wrote: ...on the PyGoWave website ;-) http://pygowave.net/ More seriously, I thought all you Wave fans might like to hear about this if you didn't already. I'm guessing from the name that it's a Wave server written in python and go, but nothing on the front page tells me what it is, except that it's a very ambitious project. Would be nice if it said what it is on the front page. Agreed, my assumption was the same but I didn't see any screenshots or anything else interesting. I couldn't be bothered trying to sign up to yet another project. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] BBC News - Googlejuice vs Usability
It would be preferred if people could make use of places/services like Pastebin for huge amounts of data which frankly little of us want to see in our emails :) Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 22 November 2009 11:52 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC News - Googlejuice vs Usability To to avoid, or perhaps to add to, the confusion, I thought I should run the FLETCH score for the link titles that Jakob Nielsen likes so much. Here they are with the article scores. Title score Title Article score 110.15 Boy aged 15 dies of stab wounds 47.46 98.06 MSPs to get power to ban airguns 38.81 98.06 Two women die in single car crash 37.71 94.04 More rain but flood risk lowers 50.37 94.04 Jackson glove sells for $350 000 50.01 94.04 Pair attempt to rob coffee shop 46.75 94.04 End 'cheap bevvies' Welsh urges 24.1 88.4 What the Scottish papers say 38.28 79.94 Men die after stolen car crashes 53.41 79.94 Ray Mears on Canada 'Welsh hero' 48.92 79.94 Search for missing woman in river 44.7 79.94 Group attacks taxi driver and car 41.82 79.94 Army checks police HQ car 'bomb' 40.43 74.86 Can psychics help to solve crime? 32.61 71.48 MSP seeks drink-drive limit cut 36.92 71.48 Facial wounds 'higher among poor' 34.48 65.84 Shed is cordoned off after blaze 46.59 65.84 Men held over police gun attack 35.59 65.84 Hearing for US army base 'gunman' 26.12 65.84 Blasts kill five in India's Assam 23.84 54.56 Manx fans welcome Hollywood star 49.42 54.56 Two people 'missing' after fire 46.85 54.56 City swimming pool plans unveiled 45.46 54.56 Indonesia ferry sinks in squall 43.5 54.56 Chinese mine blast toll doubles 40.08 54.56 Flood bridge safety checks begin 38.68 54.56 Cern Collider makes fast progress 36.61 54.56 Student visas 'soar' after change 36.41 54.56 Beijing concerns over mine blast 33.33 54.56 New jab offers better protection 24 54.56 Town centre's taxi marshal scheme 18.46 51.74 India push targets end of polio 34.55 51.74 Power is restored to city homes 30.18 51.74 Cameron and PM sorry over photos 29.03 37.64 Minibus crash man critically ill 37.43 37.64 Canoeist killed in swollen river 36.93 37.64 Israeli air strikes target Gaza 25.15 37.64 Boy's death remains 'unexplained' 24.16 20.72 Charge in mutilation murder case 39.54 20.72 Motorist fatally injured in crash 39.5 20.72 Paper publishes secret Iraq reports 33.89 20.72 US Senate approves health debate 30.47 20.72 Polls open in Romanian election 29.84 16.49 Whisky protected against copies 25.78 3.8 Tribute to caretaker fire victim 38.59 -4.67 Blaze destroys rural warehouse 29.08 -18.77 Lawnmowers 'injure thousands' 38.76 -25.82 Cameron planning emergency budget 29.63 -46.97 Azeri president threatens Armenia 27.22 -46.97 Senior Iranian reformer jailed 15.93 Floods body is missing policeman scores 37.635, Whisky body backs safe drinking scores 54.56. This means that the first one is harder than the second, but the score on the actual text is harder than the headline. Is a high score good (the BBC is not dumbing down) or bad (the BBC is inaccessible to the majority)? 2009/11/21 Frank Wales fr...@limov.com Mo McRoberts wrote: On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 03:11:28PM +, Frank Wales wrote: So, am I supposed to conclude that: 43.2 Floods body is missing policeman is noticeably easier to read than: 22.6 Whisky body backs safe drinking I’d contend that in terms of sheer readability of the headlines, the floods one is far worse—in that it takes far more effort, but having successfully parsed both, I’d have a reasonable idea of what both stories relate to (enough for me to decide whether to read them or not). So would I, hence my asking for the clarification that Brian provided. Indeed, there is a completely sensible parse of the first headline
RE: [backstage] BBC News - Googlejuice vs Usability
No worries, just don't let it happen again :) Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 24 November 2009 12:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC News - Googlejuice vs Usability Ian, Sorry about that, it pasted fine into gmail and then it converted like that. 2009/11/24 Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk It would be preferred if people could make use of places/services like Pastebin for huge amounts of data which frankly little of us want to see in our emails :) Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 22 November 2009 11:52 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC News - Googlejuice vs Usability To to avoid, or perhaps to add to, the confusion, I thought I should run the FLETCH score for the link titles that Jakob Nielsen likes so much. Here they are with the article scores. Title score Title Article score 110.15 Boy aged 15 dies of stab wounds 47.46 98.06 MSPs to get power to ban airguns 38.81 98.06 Two women die in single car crash 37.71 94.04 More rain but flood risk lowers 50.37 94.04 Jackson glove sells for $350 000 50.01 94.04 Pair attempt to rob coffee shop 46.75 94.04 End 'cheap bevvies' Welsh urges 24.1 88.4 What the Scottish papers say 38.28 79.94 Men die after stolen car crashes 53.41 79.94 Ray Mears on Canada 'Welsh hero' 48.92 79.94 Search for missing woman in river 44.7 79.94 Group attacks taxi driver and car 41.82 79.94 Army checks police HQ car 'bomb' 40.43 74.86 Can psychics help to solve crime? 32.61 71.48 MSP seeks drink-drive limit cut 36.92 71.48 Facial wounds 'higher among poor' 34.48 65.84 Shed is cordoned off after blaze 46.59 65.84 Men held over police gun attack 35.59 65.84 Hearing for US army base 'gunman' 26.12 65.84 Blasts kill five in India's Assam 23.84 54.56 Manx fans welcome Hollywood star 49.42 54.56 Two people 'missing' after fire 46.85 54.56 City swimming pool plans unveiled 45.46 54.56 Indonesia ferry sinks in squall 43.5 54.56 Chinese mine blast toll doubles 40.08 54.56 Flood bridge safety checks begin 38.68 54.56 Cern Collider makes fast progress 36.61 54.56 Student visas 'soar' after change 36.41 54.56 Beijing concerns over mine blast 33.33 54.56 New jab offers better protection 24 54.56 Town centre's taxi marshal scheme 18.46 51.74 India push targets end of polio 34.55 51.74 Power is restored to city homes 30.18 51.74 Cameron and PM sorry over photos 29.03 37.64 Minibus crash man critically ill 37.43 37.64 Canoeist killed in swollen river 36.93 37.64 Israeli air strikes target Gaza 25.15 37.64 Boy's death remains 'unexplained' 24.16 20.72 Charge in mutilation murder case 39.54 20.72 Motorist fatally injured in crash 39.5 20.72 Paper publishes secret Iraq reports 33.89 20.72 US Senate approves health debate 30.47 20.72 Polls open in Romanian election 29.84 16.49 Whisky protected against copies 25.78 3.8 Tribute to caretaker fire victim 38.59 -4.67 Blaze destroys rural warehouse 29.08 -18.77 Lawnmowers 'injure thousands' 38.76 -25.82 Cameron planning emergency budget 29.63 -46.97 Azeri president threatens Armenia 27.22 -46.97 Senior Iranian reformer jailed 15.93 Floods body is missing policeman scores 37.635, Whisky body backs safe drinking scores 54.56. This means that the first one is harder than the second, but the score on the actual text is harder than the headline. Is a high score good (the BBC is not dumbing down) or bad (the BBC is inaccessible to the majority)? 2009/11/21 Frank Wales fr...@limov.com Mo McRoberts wrote: On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 03:11:28PM +, Frank Wales wrote
Re: [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online
Brian Butterworth wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online The online maps would be free to all, including commercial users who, previously, had to acquire expensive and restrictive licences at £5,000 per usage, a fee many entrepreneurs felt was too high. About time too. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online Questions remain. For example - freely available data that can be used commercially can mean a lot of things - some of which are a lot more useful than others. Is this freely distributable vector data, with a license like cc-by-sa? Or is it a virtual map, like google, where you only get to see tiles, and cannot legally derive data from them, or copy them for use in other situations. The first allows more or less any use. The second might not allow for example: Taking the data, and rendering a cycling map deemphasiseing motorways, and emphasising cyclepaths. Crowdsourcing traffic data, and using it in a free routing application. Adding housenumbers to a copy of the map. ... The OS already claims that you cannot draw a line on an OS map, without that line being derived from the OS map, and requiring a license to show that line to others. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online
Wow, I'm shocked. I remember the first day I took over backstage talking to the OS about copying backstage in the OS. They had a mapping API but it was private beta only and I think lacked core functions and data people doing mashups would have liked. Anyway once the door is open, its very hard to close it, after the horse has bolted. Aka this maybe the start of something very big. Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 18 November 2009 10:32 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Good news for mashups - Ordnance Survey maps to go free online http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online The online maps would be free to all, including commercial users who, previously, had to acquire expensive and restrictive licences at £5,000 per usage, a fee many entrepreneurs felt was too high. About time too. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/nov/17/ordnance-survey-maps-online -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002
[backstage] Ignite London - Wednesday 18th November
No this isn't a plot to blow up London :) The first Ignite London will be this Wednesday 18th November at Ginglik in Shepherds Bush. http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/4412432?v=1w=attend Details of speakers are listed on their blog - http://ignitelondon.net/post/231778291/just-in-case-youve-forgotten Going by the ones in Leeds it should be a good night... via Nicky Secret[] Private[] Public[ x ] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer BBC RD North Lab, 1st Floor Office, OB Base, New Broadcasting House, Oxford Road, Manchester, M60 1SJ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Google Wave
Changing the long running threads (don't think I'm not watching) Now Google Wave invites are out there and more of you have had a chance to play with wave. What do people think? And why is no one building a decent client for it? Am I the only excited person? Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] free london's data event
Ah London's got no chance :) I think theres something bubbling up which is similar but with support from the local and regional government agencies in Greater Manchester. Like they say, Manchester does today what London does tomorrow ;) Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brendan Quinn Sent: 07 October 2009 17:19 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] free london's data event Help us free London's Data Saturday 24th October 2009 10.00 am London's Living Room City Hall The Queens Walk London SE1 2AA The Greater London Authority is currently in the process of scoping London's DataStore. Initially we propose to release as much GLA data as possible and to encourage other public agencies in London to do the same and we'd like your help! We want the input of the developer community from the outset prior to making any decisions on formats or platform. We would therefore like to invite interested developers to City Hall so that we can talk to you about what we want to do, get your views, and seek your input on the best way to deliver for London. On the day we'll be running a requirements specification workshop and a high level technical design session to explore how we might do this in a way that makes sense for the end users - you. The event will take place in London's Living Room at 10 am on the morning of Saturday 24th October. If you would like to attend please register your interest. http://freelondonsdata.eventbrite.com/ -- Brendan Quinn | Technology Transfer Executive | BBC Research Development Broadcast Centre BC4 B6, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane London W12 7TP brendan.qu...@bbc.co.uk | +44 20 800 85097 | +44 7900 847 358 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex
Ah see if the Plex guys didn't fork so far away they could have used XBMC's code. I say that as a massive fan of XBMC for 10 years and a regular users and contributor (so ignore my jest) Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Addey Sent: 29 September 2009 17:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Hi Ian (and other posters), Many thanks for all the suggestions and ideas - much appreciated. I had originally tried to get the iPlayer RTMP streams playing inside a third-party Flash player, but nothing I tried would get them to play. I did also take a look at the XBMC plugin for inspiration (Plex is forked from XBMC), but they seem to be using their own proprietary RTMP player, which isn't easily available for us to use in Plex. In the end I gave up with trying to get the raw streams to work outside of the original flash player. Instead, I'm using Plex's rather neat webkit page-cropping approach, which finds the iPlayer swf file on a page loaded from bbc.co.uk/iplayer and displays the page in cropped form to just show the video part of the player. I also did some digging around in the iPlayer javascript files and found that the iPlayer swf file has a Javascript API, which I've taken advantage of for playing and pausing playback, and for tracking progress via JS callbacks. It's all working rather well (until the iPlayer site next changes at least), using the RSS and JSON feeds to obtain the programme info and then using this webkit approach for playback. If you'd like to give it a try, you can download Plex here (it's open source and free): http://www.plexapp.com/ The iPlayer plugin can be downloaded and installed from the in-app App Store. It would still be good to access the RTMP streams directly - and this would probably be more reliable in the long term. Is there any magic involved in getting them to play? Has anyone found a third-party flash-based player (ideally with useful JavaScript hooks) for doing so? Thanks again for the help! - Dave From: Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk Reply-To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:55:23 +0100 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Hi Dave, Have a look at the XBMC iplayer plugin which you should be able to leverage. http://code.google.com/p/xbmc-iplayerv2/ I use it personally to watch iplayer from my home media centre (XBMC 2.1) Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 29 September 2009 07:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex 2009/9/28 Dave Addey listma...@addey.com Hi Backstage, I've been working on fixing the iPlayer plugin for the Mac OS X media centre app Plex. The updated plugin seems to be working pretty well by reading the BBC RSS feeds and JSON feeds, but I have a few questions: 1) Are there any issues with integrating iPlayer into an app like Plex? (I'm not trying to work around the geographical restrictions on iPlayer access, I should add - I'm just providing a wrapper for the iPlayer flash player from within Plex.) I'm aware that doing so could be likely to break at any time if the iPlayer site were to change. (You can view Plex here: http://www.plexapp.com/) Yes, this is the make your stuff with our stuff BBC Backstage line. 2) Assuming this isn't a problem legally, is there anywhere I can find a list of all of the potential subcategories / subgenres used by iPlayer? I can see a list of those with at least one current programme assigned to them, but I don't know if this list is complete. For example, Children's Activities, Children's Animation, etc. I think you have to work it out from what's out there. 3) Is there a feed (RSS / JSON / something else) which can be used for searching? Yes, do a search from the iPlayer page and scrape it for URLs. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search/?q=S http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search/?q=Manor earchTerm Thanks in advance for any help! - Dave. -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage
[backstage] The BBC is encrypting its HD signal by the back door
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/sep/29/bbc-hd-encryption Ok I know we talked about it before but here he (cory) is again, but this time in the Guardian. Cheers, Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex
My UI on XBMC is stunning, actually it's the same as Plex - http://www.flickr.com/photos/cubicgarden/tags/xbmc I use to run XBMC on my Xbox and still have it for backup. Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Addey Sent: 30 September 2009 16:50 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Heh! I've only just really explored both, having scraped along for ages with a hacked Apple TV. But now my Mac Mini has arrived, I'm trying to shape it into the media centre I've always dreamed of, hence my work on the iPlayer plugin. And Plex has a prettier default UI that XBMC on OS X, so I got distracted by its shiny shininess. You should give it a try :) - Dave From: Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk Reply-To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:41:29 +0100 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Ah see if the Plex guys didn't fork so far away they could have used XBMC's code. I say that as a massive fan of XBMC for 10 years and a regular users and contributor (so ignore my jest) Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Addey Sent: 29 September 2009 17:53 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Hi Ian (and other posters), Many thanks for all the suggestions and ideas - much appreciated. I had originally tried to get the iPlayer RTMP streams playing inside a third-party Flash player, but nothing I tried would get them to play. I did also take a look at the XBMC plugin for inspiration (Plex is forked from XBMC), but they seem to be using their own proprietary RTMP player, which isn't easily available for us to use in Plex. In the end I gave up with trying to get the raw streams to work outside of the original flash player. Instead, I'm using Plex's rather neat webkit page-cropping approach, which finds the iPlayer swf file on a page loaded from bbc.co.uk/iplayer and displays the page in cropped form to just show the video part of the player. I also did some digging around in the iPlayer javascript files and found that the iPlayer swf file has a Javascript API, which I've taken advantage of for playing and pausing playback, and for tracking progress via JS callbacks. It's all working rather well (until the iPlayer site next changes at least), using the RSS and JSON feeds to obtain the programme info and then using this webkit approach for playback. If you'd like to give it a try, you can download Plex here (it's open source and free): http://www.plexapp.com/ The iPlayer plugin can be downloaded and installed from the in-app App Store. It would still be good to access the RTMP streams directly - and this would probably be more reliable in the long term. Is there any magic involved in getting them to play? Has anyone found a third-party flash-based player (ideally with useful JavaScript hooks) for doing so? Thanks again for the help! - Dave From: Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk Reply-To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:55:23 +0100 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex Hi Dave, Have a look at the XBMC iplayer plugin which you should be able to leverage. http://code.google.com/p/xbmc-iplayerv2/ I use it personally to watch iplayer from my home media centre (XBMC 2.1) Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 29 September 2009 07:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex 2009/9/28 Dave Addey listma...@addey.com Hi Backstage, I've been working on fixing the iPlayer plugin for the Mac OS X media centre app Plex. The updated plugin seems to be working pretty well by reading the BBC RSS feeds and JSON feeds, but I have a few questions: 1) Are there any issues with integrating iPlayer into an app like Plex? (I'm not trying to work around the geographical restrictions on iPlayer access, I should add - I'm just providing a wrapper for the iPlayer flash player from within Plex.) I'm aware that doing so could be likely to break at any time if the iPlayer site were to change. (You can view Plex here: http
RE: [backstage] For our younger travellers
Yeah weird stuff eh? Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Frank Wales Sent: 29 September 2009 13:17 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] For our younger travellers BA are listing 'BBC Backstage' as a children's 'Music and Stories' selection on their flights this month: http://www.britishairways.com/travel/ifeoutavodlisting/public/en_gb?clas s=wt My favourite is Goldilocks and the three APIs. -- Frank Wales [fr...@limov.com] - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex
Hi Dave, Have a look at the XBMC iplayer plugin which you should be able to leverage. http://code.google.com/p/xbmc-iplayerv2/ I use it personally to watch iplayer from my home media centre (XBMC 2.1) Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 29 September 2009 07:06 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Fixing the iPlayer support in Plex 2009/9/28 Dave Addey listma...@addey.com Hi Backstage, I've been working on fixing the iPlayer plugin for the Mac OS X media centre app Plex. The updated plugin seems to be working pretty well by reading the BBC RSS feeds and JSON feeds, but I have a few questions: 1) Are there any issues with integrating iPlayer into an app like Plex? (I'm not trying to work around the geographical restrictions on iPlayer access, I should add - I'm just providing a wrapper for the iPlayer flash player from within Plex.) I'm aware that doing so could be likely to break at any time if the iPlayer site were to change. (You can view Plex here: http://www.plexapp.com/) Yes, this is the make your stuff with our stuff BBC Backstage line. 2) Assuming this isn't a problem legally, is there anywhere I can find a list of all of the potential subcategories / subgenres used by iPlayer? I can see a list of those with at least one current programme assigned to them, but I don't know if this list is complete. For example, Children's Activities, Children's Animation, etc. I think you have to work it out from what's out there. 3) Is there a feed (RSS / JSON / something else) which can be used for searching? Yes, do a search from the iPlayer page and scrape it for URLs. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search/?q=S http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search/?q=Manor earchTerm Thanks in advance for any help! - Dave. -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Two TEDx Manchester tickets.
Those tickets are hot property, I'm expecting a couple people would have taken them both off you already? If not I got a large waiting list of people who will. Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Nico Morrison Sent: 11 September 2009 04:47 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] Two TEDx Manchester tickets. I'd hoped to attend TEDX Manchester on 2nd October, but now have a prior engagement, sadly. If anyone wants the 2 x .pdf tickets. Nico M - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Invalid XML in iPlayer feeds
Good to meet someone else who uses XMLStarlet, although I've not used it for years to be honest. Secret[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Sean DALY Sent: 03 September 2009 16:12 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Invalid XML in iPlayer feeds I have generated calmness by inserting systematic XML validation in my workflows using xmlstarlet, e.g.: snip $ xml val list.htm list.htm:2: parser error : XML declaration allowed only at the start of the document ?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8? ^ list.htm - invalid $ /snip I ran the above on a Mac. Runs on Windows, *nux, the BDSs, etc. Sean On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Alex Macea...@hollytree.co.uk wrote: iPlayer itself seemed to be down eariler today... Alex On 3 Sep 2009, at 14:52, Paul Battley wrote: The iPlayer feeds seem to be broken today. They currently have a blank line before the XML declaration, making them invalid. E.g. (Firefox will also complain if you load it up) http://feeds.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/popular/tv/list Has anyone else noticed? I can't be the only person who is using a real, strict XML parser to consume them! Paul. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Warning: Super geeky - Petabytes on a budget
http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build- cheap-cloud-storage/ Found via Frank Wales, I'm amazed, but this amazed me when I first saw it too - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs Secret[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] idea: Allow access to one's complete iPlayer viewer history
Don't know Dan, I think there might be some work which I'm sure I can't talk about surrounding this already :) Sercet[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Dan Brickley Sent: 01 September 2009 11:04 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] idea: Allow access to one's complete iPlayer viewer history On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Mr I Forrestermail...@cubicgarden.com wrote: Another good idea, this time from nick shanks, http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/ideatorrent/idea/29/ At present, the iPlayer provides a short sidebar listing one's most recently viewed programmes, I wish to: a) See what I have watched b) See when I have watched it c) See how many times I watch a certain programme d) Reassign some programmes to different individuals that use this account/browser/cookie combination (i.e. exclude Timmy Time from my stats) e) Optionally publish this information publicly, so that viewers with similar habits could find me, for example. He then suggests using RDF to provide a complete usable list. What would it take to make this one happen? Dan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] idea: Allow access to one's complete iPlayer viewer history
Sounds like a must do. Sercet[] Private[x] Public[] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 01 September 2009 15:35 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] idea: Allow access to one's complete iPlayer viewer history At the very least, it would be great to flag up programmes from your history that you have watched before, so you can watch and/or download new episodes as they happen. 2009/9/1 Mr I Forrester mail...@cubicgarden.com Another good idea, this time from nick shanks, http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/ideatorrent/idea/29/ At present, the iPlayer provides a short sidebar listing one's most recently viewed programmes, I wish to: a) See what I have watched b) See when I have watched it c) See how many times I watch a certain programme d) Reassign some programmes to different individuals that use this account/browser/cookie combination (i.e. exclude Timmy Time from my stats) e) Optionally publish this information publicly, so that viewers with similar habits could find me, for example. He then suggests using RDF to provide a complete usable list. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/briantist web: http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Over The Air 2009
Someone was saying to me its not fair, theres so many events going on in the North of England, wheres all the Southern events gone? Well he's one you all should not miss. Over the Air 2009. After a number of false starts, we are a go for Over the Air 2009 - the sequel to last year's hugely well-received Over the Air mobile developer event. We will be holding the event over the 25th and 26th of September (Friday and Saturday). Once again, we will be featuring a number of sessions on different technology / development (and now art / design) topics, with a focus on mobile. Once again, the event will be free for attendees and we expect between 300 and 400 attendees over the 2 days. Once again, people will be working overnight on mobile prototypes and hacks and once again there will be an awards ceremony on the second day to reward the most creative and exciting work. I am working on putting together the schedule right now and on this I need your help. If you would like to run a session at Over the Air, please take moment to fill in our session suggestion form (http://bit.ly/ota2009session). The sessions will be 55 minutes in length and while the focus of the event is on mobile development, we are also accepting sessions on user experience and design and we are putting together some sessions on mobile art including (hopefully) a mobile film festival. If you're not in London and you don't think you can make it over but you know someone who might be interested in running a session, please feel free to pass this on to them (or indeed to blog / tweet about it). I am also trying to drive awareness of the event and since this is a grass roots event, we have a very limited marketing budget so any help getting the word out would be greatly appreciated. For more information on the event, visit http://overtheair.org. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! Dan Appelquist Sercet[] Private[] Public[x] Ian Forrester Senior Backstage Producer, BBC RD 01612444063 | 07711913293 ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] TEDxManchester Tickets
Hi All, Cutting straight through the Ubuntu debate, If you want tickets for the Manchester TEDx event, you may have noticed there currently all gone. We are planning to release more in the coming weeks so keep your eyes peeled for announcements. Of course they will be first announced on the backstage twitter bot - twitter.com/bbcbackstage (unless twitter gets another ddos attack) Should we setup a identi.ca account too? Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; []private; [x]public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] BBC Backstage now on Identi.ca
http://identi.ca/bbcbackstage - BBC Backstage user on identi.ca which is twinned with the user on Twitter - http://www.twitter.com/bbcbackstage http://identi.ca/group/bbcbackstage - Group for your general discussions about BBC technology or technical services Feel free to follow, Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; [x]private; []public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] Fwd: [Autonomo.us] Skype, out?
But surely none of this will matter in the next few years? The Platform is the Internet. *runs and ducks for cover* Although I got to say, with the developments at Google, Mozilla Labs, Palm and even Opera. I'm starting to think Tim Oreilly was right. Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; []private; [x]public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Richard Lockwood Sent: 04 August 2009 20:40 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Fwd: [Autonomo.us] Skype, out? Right. I think that sums it up. If I tell my Mum that, she'll look at me as though I'm from Mars. To be honest, as a non-Linux user, but experienced computer user, I have no idea what the hell DEB or RPM are. If that's the best sell you can do, it just demonstrates that desktop Linux still isn't ready for the day to day computer user. Cheers, Rich. On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Andrew Bowdenandrew.bow...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Most Linux software is now available in DEB or RPM format. There's some smaller packages that aren't, and commercial companies have a habit of not fitting in. But frankly most modern distros take an RPM and DEB and know exactly what to do with it so that the user need do little more than click on the file. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] TEDxNorth
Well for the rest of you, get your tickets soon, there running out quickly Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; [x]private; []public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Rob Gough Sent: 23 July 2009 17:36 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] TEDxNorth Nothing much to add, but I've got my ticket and I'm very much looking forward to this! Rob On 23 Jul 2009, at 17:01, Ian Forrester wrote: We are still working on the speakers, but if you know someone you would like to have at TEDxManchester, please enter them into our ideastore - http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com Explain why and link to anything relevent to the person or there work. Because its local, we also looking to uncover gem of speakers in the surrounding areas. Cheers Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; [x]private; []public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk ] On Behalf Of Alia Sheikh Sent: 20 July 2009 09:35 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] TEDxNorth Registration being free and available here: http://www.tedxnorth.com/manchester09/register.php Got a preliminary programme yet Ian?:) Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, Just a quick note about the series of TEDx - http://www.ted.com/ tedx events coming up this summer in the North of England. TEDx North - www.tedxnorth.com. Is a combination of 5 different TEDx events. TEDxLiverpool - 7th August 2009 TEDxLeeds - 10th September 2009 TEDxSheffield - 16th September 2009 TEDxNewcastle - 30th September 2009 TEDxManchester - 2nd October 2009 Each event will have excellent live speakers and previous TEDtalks. They promise to bring you a taste of TED without the huge cost and long waiting list. Tickets are available now and I'm happy to say the BBC's famous Studio 7 will host TEDxManchester on the 2nd October. We have room for 100's of people, so it should be one of the biggest. For you guys in the south wondering about TEDx in the south, midlands or Scotland, there was one recently - http://tedxthames.com/ and there's some upcoming ones here - http://www.ted.com/pages/view/id/ 284 which include TEDxLondon and TEDxBirmingham So don't forget to sign up early and we'll hopefully see you soon, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; []private; [x]public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Taking advantage of the Publicity clause
http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com/ideatorrent/ideas_in_preparation/ Interesting idea came through the ideas system, not sure if its true or not. What do you guys think? Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; []private; [x]public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] TEDxNorth
We are still working on the speakers, but if you know someone you would like to have at TEDxManchester, please enter them into our ideastore - http://ideas.welcomebackstage.com Explain why and link to anything relevent to the person or there work. Because its local, we also looking to uncover gem of speakers in the surrounding areas. Cheers Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; [x]private; []public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alia Sheikh Sent: 20 July 2009 09:35 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] TEDxNorth Registration being free and available here: http://www.tedxnorth.com/manchester09/register.php Got a preliminary programme yet Ian?:) Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, Just a quick note about the series of TEDx - http://www.ted.com/tedx events coming up this summer in the North of England. TEDx North - www.tedxnorth.com. Is a combination of 5 different TEDx events. TEDxLiverpool - 7th August 2009 TEDxLeeds - 10th September 2009 TEDxSheffield - 16th September 2009 TEDxNewcastle - 30th September 2009 TEDxManchester - 2nd October 2009 Each event will have excellent live speakers and previous TEDtalks. They promise to bring you a taste of TED without the huge cost and long waiting list. Tickets are available now and I'm happy to say the BBC's famous Studio 7 will host TEDxManchester on the 2nd October. We have room for 100's of people, so it should be one of the biggest. For you guys in the south wondering about TEDx in the south, midlands or Scotland, there was one recently - http://tedxthames.com/ and there's some upcoming ones here - http://www.ted.com/pages/view/id/284 which include TEDxLondon and TEDxBirmingham So don't forget to sign up early and we'll hopefully see you soon, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; []private; [x]public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] TEDxNorth
Hi All, Just a quick note about the series of TEDx - http://www.ted.com/tedx events coming up this summer in the North of England. TEDx North - www.tedxnorth.com. Is a combination of 5 different TEDx events. TEDxLiverpool - 7th August 2009 TEDxLeeds - 10th September 2009 TEDxSheffield - 16th September 2009 TEDxNewcastle - 30th September 2009 TEDxManchester - 2nd October 2009 Each event will have excellent live speakers and previous TEDtalks. They promise to bring you a taste of TED without the huge cost and long waiting list. Tickets are available now and I'm happy to say the BBC's famous Studio 7 will host TEDxManchester on the 2nd October. We have room for 100's of people, so it should be one of the biggest. For you guys in the south wondering about TEDx in the south, midlands or Scotland, there was one recently - http://tedxthames.com/ and there's some upcoming ones here - http://www.ted.com/pages/view/id/284 which include TEDxLondon and TEDxBirmingham So don't forget to sign up early and we'll hopefully see you soon, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; []private; [x]public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage-developer] WARN: backstage developer only list going down this weekend
This is the last call guys, the developer only list is going away at the end of the week. -- Hi Everyone, The developer only list (backstage-developer) was setup when there was massive amounts of traffic on the main list, however in recent months the traffic on the list has dropped and we are only seeing one or two posts on the developer only list. So we're looking to shutdown the developer only list and bring some unity and balance back to the main list. I understand this won't be supported by many of you, but we did give you the chance to feedback. So by the end of the week, we will shutdown the list and anyone attached to that list will be automatically unsubscribed. Big thanks to everyone who subscribed to the developer only list, I really hope you do re-subscribe to the main mailing list, which is much quieter now. It was considered to automatically move people across to the main list but it didn't seem fair. So if your interested in joining the main list again, just ping Major-domo a email on backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk with the subject subscribe. Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; []private; [x]public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk developer discussion group. To unsubscribe, please send an email to majord...@lists.bbc.co.uk with unsubscribe backstage-developer [your email] as the message.
[backstage] WARN: backstage developer only list going down this weekend
This is the last call guys, the developer only list is going away at the end of the week. -- Hi Everyone, The developer only list (backstage-developer) was setup when there was massive amounts of traffic on the main list, however in recent months the traffic on the list has dropped and we are only seeing one or two posts on the developer only list. So we're looking to shutdown the developer only list and bring some unity and balance back to the main list. I understand this won't be supported by many of you, but we did give you the chance to feedback. So by the end of the week, we will shutdown the list and anyone attached to that list will be automatically unsubscribed. Big thanks to everyone who subscribed to the developer only list, I really hope you do re-subscribe to the main mailing list, which is much quieter now. It was considered to automatically move people across to the main list but it didn't seem fair. So if your interested in joining the main list again, just ping Major-domo a email on backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk with the subject subscribe. Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; []private; [x]public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6
Scary thought, hope they turned off activex at least Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; [x]private; []public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Peter Bowyer Sent: 15 July 2009 13:23 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] You Tube to drop support for IE6 On 15/07/2009, Ian Forrester ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk wrote: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/07/14/youtube-will-be-next-to-kiss-ie6- support-goodbye/ Interesting seeing how we still support IE6 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/futuremedia/technical/browser_support. shtml#support_table Large parts of the UK government still use IE6 unfortunately. Especially unfortunate if you happen to be a member of that community :-( Peter -- Peter Bowyer Email: pe...@bowyer.org Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/peeebeee - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
RE: [backstage] What's the calendar app?
Surprised no one jumped in already, We've been clear that we're going to switch to the totally open source project Calagator very soon. http://www.calagator.org Calagator is a unified calendar for the technology community of Portland, Oregon. Unlike most solutions I've seen, its built around community events not just calendaring. That's a important distinction, its like the difference between upcoming.org and outlook calendar. I'm hoping with our support of the platform, we can build plugins to not only read from upcoming and facebook but also maybe write to them in some cases. The base is there, we just need to get it setup which is a little tricky because its RoR. If anyone would like to help speed up this process, give me a shout and maybe we'll come to some deal. Cheers, Ian Forrester This e-mail is: []secret; [x]private; []public Senior Producer, BBC Backstage, BBC RD Room 1044, BBC Manchester BH, Oxford Road, M60 1SJ email: ian.forres...@bbc.co.uk work: +44 (0)1612444063 | mob: +44 (0)7711913293 -Original Message- From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alia Sheikh Sent: 14 July 2009 10:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] What's the calendar app? Nico, Calendar app, open-source, using Drupal - anyone? WebCalendar 1.1 do you? It doesnt seem to be supported anymore though http://drupal.org/project/modules?filters=tid:61solrsort=sort_title%20desc This page may be of some use: http://www.roseindia.net/opensource/open-source-calendar.shtml Good luck Alia - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
