re:bone cancer post
As you know, Moses, nine years young, has bone cancer; he is gloriously happy and completely mobile ten months post amputation and seven months post chemotherapy. Xrays thus far, done every three or four months, show that he is in remission, thank God. Ascertain that your dogs' doctors have checked the lungs for possible spread. Moses' bone cancer revealed itself as a suspicious shadow, discovered during Xrays for arthritis, on his left femur. A bone biopsy revealed osteosarcoma. With this cancer, which is aggressive and painful, time if of the essence; action must be taken quickly. Treatment can be very successful with some dogs still alive and doing well two or so years later. Amputation removes the primary tumor. Chemo. removes the microscopic spread, usually present at the time of diagnosis, of the cancer. Moses is quite comfortable and his quality of life is excellent. Lisa Allen _ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
mast cell cancer question
Reposted in plain text for Deb, please respond directly to her! Our 6 year-old Berner boy, Rudy had a mast cell tumor removed from his hind leg in October 2002. I believe the histopathology report came back staging the tumor at 3?? Anyway, the margins weren't clean and the news wasn't good. He has been doing well since then.no indication of metastasis to major organs. He has, however, developed a significant limp on the affected leg and I am wondering if this could mean something going on in the bone? I talked to the vet who performed the surgery and he seemed to think probably not..suggested we give him Etogesic. Today he will not bear weight on the leg, but really doesn't seem to be in pain. I have an appointment with a local vet tomorrow, but am anxious about the situation. Does anyone out there know if mast cell cancer could spread to the bone? Any ideas about what might be going on? I want to prepare myself for the worst and then pray for an ACL tear! Deb in Montana
Mast cell cancer
Jorda's mast cell tumor was located, to the best of my recollection, on the same spot on which the Hartung's Berner's tumor was discovered. I do not recall the grade of Jorda's tumor. It appeared when she was four years old, in 1990. Treatment was, initially, surgical removal. My dogs' veterinarian, Dr. Marks, who has provided them with the most excellent medical care since 1983, removed the tumor and margins were clear. Dr. Marks' skills as a surgeon are superb. Then, Jorda was prescribed a medication beginning with a T. (Tagamet???) Too, every six months we Xrayed the areas to which mast cell cancer might spread. Jorda, my second Berner, lived until the age of thirteen years two weeks two days, when my sweet and sensitive girl lost a very brief battle with large cell lymphoblastic lymphosarcoma. Lisa Allen (Dr. Marks would have the answers to name of medication, grade of her tumor, etc.) _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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Re: mast cell cancer/francs
When my sweet and sensitive Berner, Jorda, was four years old, a mast cell tumor was removed from her foot. Our regular veterinarian removed it; he is a skilled and talented surgeon who has tremedous experience with many Bernese and has been doctor to my dogs since 1983. I do not know the grade of the tumor. Jorda was put on a medicine whose name begins with a t, to the best of my recollection. This was back in 1990. Every six months until she was ten years old, our veterinarian would do Xrays to ascertain there was no return of the mast cell cancer. It turned out that it had been surgically cured as it never returned. Jorda crossed the Bridge at age thirteen years two weeks two days (large cell lymphoblastic lymphosarcoma). If you would like more information about her treatment, I can give you our DVM's clinic number. Thank you for the information about francs; a friend asked me about the conversion and I had no idea. Lisa Allen _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: Cancer and OTHER Studies
At 07:07 PM 6/12/2003 -0700, Lisa Ebnet wrote: I suggest if you own a berner and want to be part of this study that you request a kit NOW from either Pat Long or Heidi Parker. This is a great idea but one thing to watch is the expiration date on the test tubes. The kit Pat sent me had expired but I was able to obtain the same tubes from the lab at the local hospital. Evidently they are not that commonly used but luckily the main lab had them. I noticed the solution in the tubes Pat sent had a deeper yellow/brown tint to it than I recalled being in the tubes I had used to submit my old guy in the control group. The expiration date was only about 2-3 months before the time I obtained the tubes from Pat so it had colored quickly. Pat is aware of this and making sure kits she sends have not expired but keeping them for several years in case could exceed the expiration date. I saved these expired tubes so if I need to draw blood again - hopefully I never will except for control groups - I have the exact solution I need. They use 10ml yellow tops with ACD Solution A. This is important as it preserves the blood in a manner making it useable for the study. Other solutions may not preserve the blood in the same manner. Since the kit had not arrived when I had to draw the blood, I called Pat and asked her for the solution name and then called the hospital and explained what I was doing and why. The lab was VERY helpful and prepared a box with 4 tubes (I needed 2), butterfly needles, alcohol swabs, gloves, and extras of everything and did not charge me for any of it. Good thing I had extras as finding a vein at such a late date was very difficult. We drew blood at 1am as we did not think she would make it through the night. A friend who is a nurse came to the house and took the blood so if Bianca did pass before morning, we had what we needed for the study. The emergency vet did not have the right tubes and they would have charged for the service. But Lisa is correct in being prepared and at least having the information you need if not the tubes themselves. But they do expire so please make sure the tubes you have or plan to use are still current. Molly and the gang Remembering Bianca - 4/29/95-1/14/03
Cancer Studies
I'm a little confused (well, okay, I admit that's the way I spend most of my waking hours). I'd be more than willing to have my two participate in whatever studies can use them. But as they're both young (3 1/2 and 23 months), I was under the impression from earlier posts that they could not be part of any current study. Would someone please explain exactly what dogs these studies are looking for, i.e. ages, health history, etc? Thanks! Vicky Whitney in Bozeman, Montana _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
RE: Cancer Studies
i was confused as well. the confusion is that there are two different studies. this is what jill wrote back to me. Any willing Berner can be involved! If you send me your mailing address I will send you 2 kits with instructions how to take the cheek swabs from Woofit and Chi. You will also have a pre-addressed, pre-stamped envelope in which to return the kits. I will need both dogs pedigrees and AKC numbers as well. jill's e mail is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] andrea -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Vicky Whitney Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cancer Studies I'm a little confused (well, okay, I admit that's the way I spend most of my waking hours). I'd be more than willing to have my two participate in whatever studies can use them. But as they're both young (3 1/2 and 23 months), I was under the impression from earlier posts that they could not be part of any current study. Would someone please explain exactly what dogs these studies are looking for, i.e. ages, health history, etc? Thanks! Vicky Whitney in Bozeman, Montana _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Cancer Studies
Vicky, Molly has already detailed who can help with the Fred Hutchinson study on histiocytosis, and to make life more complicated, we also have another study for histio that your two dogs CAN participate in. We are currently working on the www.bmdca.org website Health section, it is going to be a work in progress for a little while to come. But there is a Current Studies page there, and the information about the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute study will be updated with the following. I will be trying to keep the Current Studies page updated, so that you can review it to see what work is ongoing! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA - Systemic Histiocytosis Genes in BMDs: Dr. Barrett Rollins at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute (DFCI) is searching for genes involved in systemic histiocytosis, which is very similar to a human cancer called Langerhans Cell Histiocytosis. These cancers run in families in both dogs and people, so the likelihood that both dogs and humans share a similar gene predisposing to this cancer is very likely. Understanding the affected genes will likely lead to more effective diagnosis and treatment for both groups. Dr. Rollins and his associate, Dr. Jill Rudkowski, are looking for families of dogs (parents, and littermates) who are affected with either malignant or systemic histiocytosis, as well as families without the cancer. They want to encourage participation on a worldwide basis of all Berners and are pleased to send DNA kits outside the USA. DNA will be extracted from cells gathered from the dog. The cell collection is a simple and quick process. Using a special soft brush provided by the Dana-Farber/Harvard research team, you gently scrape the inside of the dog's cheek for about 30 seconds and send the sample back to them in the mail. While the return envelopes are pre-paid in the US, they do not have the capability to pre-pay the return envelopes for other countries as proper postage is difficult to obtain. However. the return package is very light weight and should not be very expensive to mail. If interested: 1. Please call or email Jill Rudkowski, MD, FRCP(c) at (617)632-4732; [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a free collection kit. 2. Follow enclosed instructions 3. Include a completed LCH Project BMD Owner Information Form 4. Enclose a copy of the dog's official pedigree with annotations about any other affected family members of which you have knowledge 5. Enclose a copy of the pathology report confirming the diagnosis (for affected dogs only) 6. Enclose the swabs (soft brushes described above) 7. Mail packet with forms and samples priority mail as instructed, to DFCI 8. Call or email DFCI to let them know the packet is on its way. If you need more information please email Mary Maliarik, ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or Robin Hamme ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) who are helping with recruitment efforts Check any e-mail over the Web for free at MailBreeze (http://www.mailbreeze.com)
Cancer and OTHER Studies
I changed the subject line to include *OTHER* studies, as well. What about any other studies that are not specifically for cancer, like tracing DNA? I think there have been references to several in the last couple of digests, and I'd like to help if my young, healthy (knock on wood) guys can be used. My heart weeps every time I read about the loss of a beloved Berner, and if we can help we'd love to. Vicky Whitney in Bozeman, Montana Hi Vicky, The study at Fred Hutchinson wants dogs over the age of 10 who have not been diagnosed with malignant histio to participate in the CONTROL group. Your two are too young for this category. As for affected, and I hope your never qualify for this group, they ask that if histio is expected at the time of death, that the blood be drawn prior to death, a necropsy will then provide a definite answer as to the cause of death and confirm if it is histio. Some have sent blood to Seattle at the time of death to have a different cause confirmed. Those dogs have been excluded from the study. But it is better to err on the side of collecting and sending than not to participate and learn the dog did die from histio. If histio can be confirmed prior to the dog's death, then draw the blood immediately and send it to the study along with the other information they request - pedigree and additional health information. This is usually in the form of a biopsy of the affected tissue - tumor, bone marrow, etc. As histio is such a fast killer, the time to make this decision is often limited. My girl was diagnosed on a Friday, we drew blood Monday not thinking she would make it through the night, and she passed to Rainbow Bridge Tuesday afternoon. Molly and the gang Missing Bianca - 4/29/95-1/14/03 - a victim of this horrible cancer _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: Cancer and OTHER Studies
Vicky, In addition to the histiocytosis research at Fred Hutchinson and Dana Farber, there are a number of other studies that I can summarize here. Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center has been working for a number of years to map the canine genome, they have been working in concert with a number of other research facilities around the world. They had been collecting samples of unrelated dogs from as many different breeds as possible, I don't know if they still need samples from Berners or not. I suspect they have enough, but I'll have to check. Berner-Garde is sponsoring a study by Dr. George Padgett to determine if hemangiosarcoma has a hereditary basis in Bernese Mountain Dogs. I believe we will hear that it is. There is a study supported by the BMDCA on lymphoma and osteosarcoma. It's being done by Dr. Jaime Modiano in Denver, Colorado, at the AMC Cancer Research Center. VetGen has been working on hip dysplasia for a number of years, they are always interested in getting samples from dogs that are members of families with more than two affected Berners. Epilepsy is being studied at the U of Missouri-Columbia and the U of Minnesota. They are studying the genetic basis for epilepsy in all breeds, and they are also interested in samples. Dr. Paige Carmichael, DVM, at the University of Georgia School of Veterinary Medicine, is working on developing a carrier test for Hepatocerebellar Degeneration. Sandy Novocin is collecting information about symptoms that we see in Bernese that seem to suffer from something similar to Multiple Schlerosis in humans. She wants to provide information to a neurologist that is interested in learning more about this problem. These are just a very small group of all the studies that are being done, you can always take a look at www.bmdca.org under Health for contact information and details on how to participate. For information about what other studies are being done, take a look at http://www.akcchf.org/ under Research. It's a long list! And those are only the ones being sponsored by the Canine Health Foundation. I know I didn't answer your question quite the way you had hoped, but I did want to be thorough! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA Check any e-mail over the Web for free at MailBreeze (http://www.mailbreeze.com)
Re: Cancer and OTHER Studies
There is one school - somewhere in the east but I cannot remember the name, where they are mapping the canine genome. However they are using boxers. Evidently there is an even smaller gene pool in boxers than in BMDs and certain breeders have such records of their lines that they were able to contact 40 owners and achieve their study group in a matter of weeks. The variations in these lines is so small that they feel they can determine the genome much as it was done in humans. Once they are able to map it, then they should be able to transfer the information to other breeds. One thing I found interesting in visiting the lab in Seattle was that Heidi Parker told me that in several cases where dogs suffer from the same ailment as humans, diabetes for example, that when they have located the genetic marker on the human DNA, within months they are able to locate the genetic marker in the dogs. Usually it is in a position close to that on the human DNA. Therefore, by identifying markers in humans, it can be transferred to animals and vice versa. They are hoping to do this with various forms of cancer as well as other diseases. Molly et al Charlottesville, VA I changed the subject line to include *OTHER* studies, as well. What about any other studies that are not specifically for cancer, like tracing DNA?
RE: Cancer and OTHER Studies
I suggest if you own a berner and want to be part of this study that you request a kit NOW from either Pat Long or Heidi Parker. I have had the unfortunate occasion to have two dogs diagnosed and after several failed attempts to obtain the necessary kit and instructions the dog died before we could get what was necessary. The other part of it was that the family had gone through the decision to help and give what was necessary for the study but alas it was too late. That was over a month of trying! Pat finally came to the rescue and sent me three kits to have on hand. Now if the unfortunate occurs I can overnight the kit to the attending vet. So be prepared for the worst and have a kit available... Lisa Ebnet and the Furry Berner Crew in Ferndale, WA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.bernese.com
Registration 3rd Annual Canine Cancer Conference
Forwarding and wishing I could be there! Registration is now available for Genes, Dogs and Cancer: 3rd Annual Canine Cancer Conference being put on by the AKC Canine Health Foundation at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, Washington. Please visit www.ivis.org/caninecancer/default2003.asp for information on transportation and lodging, as well as abstract submission and registration. Registration is $100 until July 31; after July 31 the cost is $150. Space is limited, so register today! This conference is being sponsored by Nestle Purina PetCare, the Kenneth A. Scott Charitable Trust (A KeyBank Trust) and the Golden Retriever Foundation. Best regards, Irma Revah, DVM MPVM PhD Editor-in-Chief IVIS is a New York-based, not-for-profit organization dedicated to provide up-to-date, clinical information to veterinarians, veterinary students and animal health professionals worldwide using Internet technologies International Veterinary Information Service (IVIS), P.O. Box 4371, Ithaca NY 14852, USA email:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Website: http://www.ivis.org/ Wish I could be there! All love, Jean, Sunny, Simmy, Barney and the Gang X http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/index.htm
Less inclined to think cancer in spine
Today Moses had his second official post amputation, chemo (osteosarcoma) check-up by his specialist at Angell Memorial Animal Hospital in Boston. The doctor is less inclined to feel that there is cancer in the spine since Moses has improved and is more readily and easily ambulatory. So, we hope he is in remission. Xrays will be done every three months, with the next scheduled for May. Moses will continue receiving monthly check-ups at Angell for now. I believe that weekly aquapuncture is helping Moses a great deal. One of his nail coverings came off, was chewed off, who knows, so he will take an antibiotic in case of infection. Moses' attitude is wonderful. Minute by minute, I am inspired by his courage and optimistic outlook. While we were in the examining room waiting for Moses' doctor, I became even more aware of the wisdom in the eyes of an old dog as I looked into Moses', such depth, so different from the gaze of a pup, who has yet to discover life's treasures and know its secrets. Lisa Allen _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Angell concerned Moses' cancer has spread
Moses' internal medicine specialist's office called. They are concerned that the bone cancer has spread to the spine and are considering doing a myelogram and/or a CT scan and/or a bone scan. All of Moses' urine tests results came back and they are fine. Moses remains depressed, is breathing hard when he moves and is not going to the bathroom regularly. When offered his meals, he eats like a horse. They said to discontinue the Rimadyl. Angell Memorial will be in touch with our regular veterinarian today to determine the best course of action. Of course, an important part of Moses' therapy will be to just rest. Lisa Allen _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: Cancer Study
THANK YOU, Ray and Pat for sending in the blood sample of Talee! We do NEED more blood donations from Berners such as your Talee, who are 10 years or older and who have never been diagnosed with Malignant Histiocytosis. The Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center is trying to find the marker for Malignant Histiocytosis and they need to have 40 blood samples from Berners who have been diagnosed with Malignant Histiocytosis and 40 samples from Berner who are 10 years or older and who have never been diagnosed with Malignant Histiocytosis. This research could have a real impact on the lives of our Berners. Surely there are more 10 year and older Berners who could participate. When my Winston was diagnosed with Malignant Histiocytosis on New Years Eve this past year, I already had the kit from Pat Long for participating in this study, because I suspected that his illness was going to be histio. It was Winston's final contribution to the breed on January 4, 2003 and one that I know was most important. It is not an easy time when you get that diagnosis to think about participating in a study, but it is vital that you think ahead so you can make that important decision to take part in it. As of February 4, 2003, they had 17 affected Berners and 31 non-affected control Berners for the study. That means that they still need 23 more Berners who have been diagnosed with Malignant Histiocytosis and just 9 more Berners who are over 10 years old and who have never been diagnosed with Malignant Histiocytosis. Heidi Parker, in the laboratory of Dr. Elaine Ostrander at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, is conducting this study of Malignant Histiocytosis in Bernese Mountain Dogs. Her team's goal is to find DNA markers associated with this disease and the actual gene mutations that cause Malignant Histiocytosis. With our help, her lab could be successful in finding associated DNA markers within three to four years, and the causative gene mutations in the next decade. This genetic information would be available to such companies as VetGgen and Optigen to develop a DNA test that breeders could use to make more informed breeding decisions in an effort to reduce the incidence of this disease. In addition, once the causative gene mutations are found, drug therapies could potentially be developed by other companies to either prevent the development of or reduce the severity of the disease in Berners that already carry the disease genes. If you would like to donate a blood sample from your dog, please: 1. request a free blood collection kit from Heidi Parker or Nate Sutter in Elaine Ostrander's lab Please email to both Heidi and Nate ([EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]) or call (206) 667-6980 to insure that a kit is sent to you as soon as possible. If time is critical, call and they will overnight the kit. 2. Follow the enclosed instructions: a. Have your vet fill the tubes with blood b. label the tubes with dog's name, breed, sex, age, owner's name and phone number, and include a pedigree and relative health information. c. use the enclosed mailing label d. mail it priority mail to FHCRC e. call or email them to let them know it's on its way If your Berner has been diagnosed with Malignant Histiocytosis and there is no time to get the kit for the study, you can use the above instructions for sending blood samples and have your vet supply the two blood collection tubes. The Canine Health Foundation matched our recent donations from the fundraiser we did with the two paintings by Willem Wijnberg, from The Netherlands, on the Berner-l at a 50% rate and we were able to raise $5595 for the study of Malignant Histiocytosis! Thank you to all who participated in our fundraiser! The donations we sent to the study was a BIG help, but right now the need is for Berners to participate in the research. Won't you please consider letting your Berner help the Berners of tomorrow - you will be happy you did. Joye Neff (Samantha and Ben) Mt. Lebanon, Pittsburgh, PA P.S. Watch for the upcoming fundraiser with two more fantastic paintings by Willem Wijnberg! Willem is insisting that this fundraiser be in memory of my Winston. I want it to be a fundraiser to Celebrate the Lives of all our Precious Berners who have lost the Battle to Malignant Histiocytosis. Contact Jean Cheesman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to include your affected Berners in the pictoral Histio Rollcall page she is preparing for our fundraiser.
Re: Cancer Study
THANK YOU! When I was in Seattle undergoing my own cancer therapy, I had the opportunity to visit the lab and hear the amazing work they have already accomplished in identifying certain genes in canines. What was most interesting was that many canine markers have been found not far from the human marker so once the human marker is identified, they often find the canine marker within 3-4 months. They are very excited about this particular project and I encourage anyone with a 10+ year old to help with the control group, and as hard as it is, any one with a dog diagnosed with histio, please participate in the affected group. Molly and the gang Bogen - proudly in the control group at age 11 Bianca - proudly helping other berners in the affected group (1995-2003) Charlottesville, VA Today we mailed off the blood from our 10 1/2 year old Berner Talee for the Cancer research being done at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research center. I'm sure Pat Long has all the latest information in anyone else wants to take part in this research. They still need more participants. Ray Pat Burgett Eaglecap Bernese Talee,Lexi,,Bell, Shadow Max www.goodbernerfood.com http://users.eoni.com/~eaglecap/ Draminski Ovulation Detector Rep
Re: Cancer Study
If your Berner has been diagnosed with Malignant Histiocytosis and there is no time to get the kit for the study, you can use the above instructions for sending blood samples and have your vet supply the two blood collection tubes. Joye is so right in how important this study can be. The tubes needed for the blood draws are SPECIFIC as they have a stabilizer in them that protects the blood for its travel to Seattle. Most hospitals have these tubes although vets may not. Because my kit had not yet arrived and Bianca was fading fast, we got the tubes and blood draw needles from the lab at a local hospital - they gave them to us - and Wendi Giordano, who luckily is a nurse, came over and drew Bianca's blood for me. FYI - the tubes are yellow tops with ACD Solution A inside and if possible, Heidi asks they be filled at least 3/4 each. Molly and the gang Charlottesville, VA
Re: Cancer Study
Today we mailed off the blood from our 10 1/2 year old Berner Talee for the Cancer research being done at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research center. I'm sure Pat Long has all the latest information in anyone else wants to take part in this research. They still need more participants. Ray Pat Burgett Eaglecap Bernese Talee,Lexi,,Bell, Shadow Max www.goodbernerfood.com http://users.eoni.com/~eaglecap/ Draminski Ovulation Detector Rep
thyroid and cancer
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Re: cancer advice
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Re: cancer advice
Ask me how much I hate AOL... g (after 8 yrs. on AOL, it might just be time for a change. =b) Sorry about the double-posts for those who saw this the first time. =) I ran across a site (The Mare's Nest) yesterday that states that Berners are liable to a high incidence of cancer (30% or so, as I recollect). You may remember that Hesse and I just fought our way through a bout w/cancer and when I asked about the why of this (bad luck, genetics, whatever) there seemed to be a consensus that Berner's were no more liable to cancer than any other breed. So, how do I balance the conflicting advice? There are several breeds with identified cancer issues also and many more with a high incidence of certain cancers but they're either too widespread a breed to be able to do an accurate count or have other issues which make understanding true percentages difficult at best. There is a saying in the Flat-Coat world that if you get them to 7, you have them forever. The Flat-Coated Retriever Society of America conducted a thorough health survey several years ago. This is a breed with an average life span of 7 1/2 years -- in large part due to cancer including hemangiosarcoma and malignant histiocytosis. The leading cause of _young_ FCRs death is accidental (Flatties being Flatties). The second leading cause of death in young dogs is cancer. When one of my FCRs was misdiagnosed with round cell sarcoma, I contacted one of the people involved with the cancer studies they were doing at the time. What they found with their study was : (going on memory here) approx. 34% of Flat-Coats die of cancer * Being the offspring of an affected dog increased your odds by slightly less than 2% * Being the sibling of an affected dog increased your odds by slightly over 4% * The same cancers were being found worldwide, however they were slightly different on the various continents much the same as red is different from maroon. A slightly earlier study found, at that time, that a great number of cancers were being misidentified or labelled with one name instead of another name of the same malignancy. So people weren't necessarily relating these malignancies together due to the disparity in names. Many a breeder of long lived dogs has stated that they have yet to see any rhyme or reason to one dog being affected and another entire litter going to graceful old age together. Some have had generation after generation live long then lose an entire litter by the age of 5, yet some of those dogs' get live to old age as well. If only it could be easy I totally agree with Ruth Reynolds that too much of the Berner breeders' emphasis is directed towards the coat due to the standard. This breed has been chosen in no small part due to coat genetics since the early days when it would have had to have been very strictly adhered to to generate the uniformity we see today. Additionally, all the clearances must be satisfied as well. That said, aside from being solid black or liver, the Flat-Coats don't have those concerns to any great degree (one *expects* to pass clearances -- failures are not common at all) yet they appear to have similar percentages if the data Jordan cites is correct. That is truly a puzzlement. Perhaps, the extreme narrowing of the FC gene pool during both World Wars tossed that breed into the same liferaft as the Berners? One thing in the Berner world that continually amazes me is the frequent use of underage studs (especially, since it's usually the boys being used young). Longevity aside, in a breed, such as Berners, where orthopedics, PRA and thyroid are such a concern, the use of dogs under 2 or 3 seems amazingly counterproductive especially in any great numbers. My own preference is to use older gentlemen -- boys who have proven their longevity in a way the girls can't safely before being bred. Trust me, I have yet to have an older statesman not be able to figure the whole game out when he's been given a young chickie to procreate with. ;-) I'm not totally condemning the use of _younger_ studs, there are plenty of times when the best dog for the job is a young adult and, if he is the best choice for a bitch, then so be it (tho I'd be peeking at his father, grandfathers and uncles, too!) But the key word is adult. I'm glad Hesse is responding to his treatments, Jordan -- may you have a long time to enjoy each other! All my hopes, Vicky and the Horde =P~ Nothing's as friendly as a wet dog!
Young studs (was: cancer advice)
In a message dated 12/28/2002 10:34:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One thing in the Berner world that continually amazes me is the frequent use of underage studs It's a commonly held belief among Bernese breeders that boys have to get some experience when they're 'young and crazy' or they're prone to being a bit...uhhh, shall we say...inept...when duty calls as a mature adult. My experience is limited to one dog and I have to say, after years of being told leave it, performing as a stud dog was clearly not routine for him. He did get the job done but I wonder whether it would have come more easily to him if he'd been used as a teen so that 'memory' would kick in later on. I don't know, I've heard of so many Bernese males that aren't easy breeders...perhaps there's a genetic trait in the breed for low libido. Or perhaps it's a part of the Bernese temperament to be more of a 'Momma's Boy' than a Studly DoRight. Or maybe, regardless of breed, there's a biological reason for teenage dogs to have a higher concentration of testosterone circulating than at any other time in their lives. Perhaps nature intended for a dog to learn the ropes when he's driven by the testo-rush and his brain hasn't been delivered yet. ...or maybe using Bernese males at a young age is just a rationalization. I'd be interested in what others experience with their berner boys and with other breeds. -Sherri Venditti
Re: Young studs (was: cancer advice)
In a message dated 12/28/2002 12:59:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, BernerFolk writes: My experience is limited to one dog and I have to say, after years of being told leave it, performing as a stud dog was clearly not routine for him. He did get the job done but I wonder whether it would have come more easily to him if he'd been used as a teen so that 'memory' would kick in later on. LOL, I used a 7 1/2 yr old boy once who had spent his entire life being told to leave it and he sniffed the girl, went up on his toes, sniffed again, snurfled in her ear, then looked at his 'mother' and backed down. He was sure he was being 'set up.' This went on until we sent mommy out of the room. Then he tried to mount the girl but she squeaked and he backed down again. Finally, we took them outside into their fenced yard -- one lap of the pool later and clandestine peeks from Dot and me from our vantage points and they were tied. Poor Homer was trapped in the act tho he relaxed when he was praised as to what a good sort he was being. Two days later, he showed 'Mom,' 'Dad,' and anyone who wanted to watch, just what a clever boy he was. My girl got 3 hours of 'romancing' the first time, 5 minutes the second. And Homer impressed his 'Dad' with that neat trick he could do turning around mid-tie. ahem... LOL! All my hopes, Vicky and the Horde
RE: breeding out cancer and other undesirable traits
Hi Ruth, Now adding another breed? That's a different story. That could change the genetics significantly. And not necessarily for the better! Might add in some more problems... Merry Christmas, turkey's cooking:-) Rose Tierney
FW: breeding and cancer -- nature vs nurture
- Hi Vilma, It will be a very long time before we have an accurate cancer screening test, a genetic marker for tumor(s) in Berners known to have a strong hereditary influence (such as mast cell and malignant histiocytosis) and that little evidence points to specific envirnmental causes (how many dogs smoke?!) I think many dogs smoke!! I've been in a few homes where the air is blue with smoke and the kids and dogs are subject to second hand smoke which is proven to be deadly too! It would be interesting to note how many Berners contract primary lung cancer that belong to heavy smokers. On a happier note Merry Christmas to everyone:-) Rose Tierney (avid anti-smoker:-)
Re: breeding out cancer and other undesirable traits
Hi Mark - you are right - a mismark should not be a reason not to breed if the bitch was healthy, had good longevity, and had good clearances- and a very educated choice for a stud. Maybe just a coincidence, but I have noticed most Berners with blue eyes have hip dysplysiadon't ask me why on that one. Unfortunately, breeding to clear bad traits is not so easy . I bred my bitch who had OFA excellent hips, clear elbows to a stud who also had that and their siblings were all good and excellent, parents, aunts and uncles, cousins, etc.I actually figured it back 5 generations with orthopedic clearances of over 97% - and one of my pups probably has elbow dysplasia. It was a total shock to me - the one thing I thought we wouldn't have to worry about... To answer your other question, Breeze whelped 3 puppies naturally but not easily and the fourth was stuck and we had to get a C-Section - this puppy (who did not survive) was breach and had its head twisted like a hook and no way she could have whelped him. Merry Christmas, Ruth in Sonoma Valley with Ranger, Breeze, and Claire and Sam the Berner Kitty - Original Message -iiiFrom: Mark Mohapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:03 PM Subject: breeding out cancer and other undesirable traits This idea is just a thought and please do not flame me for suggesting it. What if and I do mean what if: we expanded on what was allowed in the breed to have a larger pool of dogs to breed from. What if - mismarked dogs were acceptable and dogs with blue eyes were acceptable? What if we allowed this but kept to the other standards of the breed. Would this help in any way to allow more dogs to be bred that have a lower incidence of cancer and hip dysplasia? I realize that to some this would be outrageous but I am curious if this allows healthier dogs and would just make a bigger mess of things. The other question I have for breeders out there is what percentage of your dogs whelp naturally as opposed to those that opt for an automatic c-section so as not to lose any pups? Thanks. Mark Mohapp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: breeding out cancer and other undesirable traits
Mark asked: What if and I do mean what if: we expanded on what was allowed in the breed to have a larger pool of dogs to breed from. What if - mismarked dogs were acceptable and dogs with blue eyes were acceptable? What if we allowed this but kept to the other standards of the breed. Would this help in any way to allow more dogs to be bred that have a lower incidence of cancer and hip dysplasia? I'm no expert, Mark but here are some thoughts I had pertaining to your question. All Bernese can be registered with the AKC. The blue eye and ground color other than black and mismarked dogs are just as eligible for registration as any other Berner. The blue eye color and ground color other than black will find most dogs dismissed from the show ring. I say most because there may be some judges who would not dismiss them as they should, but instead simply would not consider them. So allowing dogs with these traits to be used for breeding isn't an issue. They ARE allowed. And to some degree they are likely used. To my knowledge there's no collection of data to analyze to determine how breedings of mismarked dogs pan out with regard to incidence of cancers and canine hip dysplasia. Here's why I think our breed is so ill. The three top priority traits the BMD has been selected for over the past 100 years are: 1) moderately long hair 2) tri color 3) pattern to the tri color (with major or minor deviations) If ya ain't got those traits first, ya ain't considered an acceptable Berner for breeding. So here we have a breed whose highest priority traits of breed type all have to do with hair. How's THAT for priorities we have to work with as breeders. I can select a healthy brown dog or a healthy white dog from a family of long lived, healthy dogs. Such might be considered reasonable. But since it hasn't been done consistently for a whole century, those brown and those white dogs and the mismarked dogs are now covered up with the same genetics as the rest of the population of Berners. I don't think adding grossly mismarked Berners to the mix of the genetics is going to change things much. Now adding another breed? That's a different story. That could change the genetics significantly. Ruth Reynolds Pioneer Bernese Greenwood, FL www.jersey.net/~mountaindog/rar
Re: cancer advice
I went to the Breed Symposium in Lenzburg and the following is quoted from the notes by Dr George Padgett. Forty four separate tumour types have been reported in Berners. However, 7 types account for 81.6% of all tumours reported. They are Malignant/Systemic Histiocytosis 30.4%, So sad but true. Does anyone know if there are any lines of Bernese that are truly free from this disease? I'd sure like to hear about it.. Pauline Merrick
Re: cancer advice
From: Pauline [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know if there are any lines of Bernese that are truly free from this disease? Pauline, Just for fun, let's assume that there are 3 lines that are free from histio and mast cell cancer both. I don't know if this is in the realm of possible or not, I'm just making a wild assumption for now. So for fun, let's just say that 3 berners, Tom, Dick, and Harry, never produced any progeny that contracted either histio or mast cell. What do you think might happen if we found this to be the case? And what might be the long-term implications? Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: cancer advice
- Original Message - From: Pat Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] So for fun, let's just say that 3 berners, Tom, Dick, and Harry, never produced any progeny that contracted either histio or mast cell. What do you think might happen if we found this to be the case? And what might be the long-term implications? Oh, I know exactly where you're going with this, Pat. But, I really want to know the answer - are there any lines that seem to be free of Histio? How are breeders working to lower that 30.4% number if there are no studs available from histio-free lines? It is, actually, a harder problem than with other polygenic traits, such as hip dysplasia. First of all, you have a test (xrays) for hip dysplasia. If you have a generally good bitch with fair hips, you look for a stud with excellent hips to increase your odds that the next generation will be better than their dam. With histio, there is no test, except the test of time. There are no degrees of affectedness - there are no mild cases of malignant histiocytosis. So, if all lines are affected, where is the decision point on who to breed and who to neuter? How do we make histio be public enemy #1, and work towards eradicating it from our breed? Or do we just accept that a large percentage of our young dogs are going to die? Pauline
Re: cancer advice
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Pauline wrote: So, if all lines are affected, where is the decision point on who to breed and who to neuter? What might have happened to the offspring if I had bred Hesse? Where would that have put them cancer possible-wise? -- ~~~ Jordan S. Dill SoVerNet: Vermont's Sovereign Internet Connection National Mobile Communications Corp. SoVerNetPO Box 495, 5 Rockingham St.276 East Allen Suite 2 Vmx. #146 Bellows Falls, VT 05101 Winooski, VT 05404 v - 802 463-2111 vmx.#146 Toll Free (877)877-2120 f - 802-463-2110f - 802-655-7291 PGP public key sent upon request
cancer advice
I ran across a site (The Mare's Nest) yesterday that states that Berners are liable to a high incidence of cancer (30% or so, as I recollect). You may remember that Hesse and I just fought our way through a bout w/cancer and when I asked about the why of this (bad luck, genetics, whatever) there seemed to be a consensus that Berner's were no more liable to cancer than any other breed. So, how do I balance the conflicting advice? -- ~~~ Jordan S. Dill SoVerNet: Vermont's Sovereign Internet Connection National Mobile Communications Corp. SoVerNetPO Box 495, 5 Rockingham St.276 East Allen Suite 2 Vmx. #146 Bellows Falls, VT 05101 Winooski, VT 05404 v - 802 463-2111 vmx.#146 Toll Free (877)877-2120 f - 802-463-2110f - 802-655-7291 PGP public key sent upon request
Re: cancer advice
In a message dated 12/19/2002 9:19:02 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: when I asked about the why of this (bad luck, genetics, whatever) there seemed to be a consensus that Berner's were no more liable to cancer than any other breed. So, how do I balance the conflicting advice? Jordan - While it may appear to those on this list that Berners are more prone to cancers than other breeds, there are a lot of breeds where the leading cause of death is one of the cancers. What differs most, from breed to breed, is the form of cancer prevalent in each. Both Golden Retrievers and Rottweilers have very high incidence of death from cancer, but neither seems to have the genetic tendency toward histiocytosis that Berners do. Rotties suffer most often from osteosarcoma. Since the cause of most forms of cancer is still unknown, it is hard to answer your question as to whether it was genetics, environment, or bad luck. I, personally, wonder if the apparent increase in number of cancer cases in our pets isn't due to the fact that more of our animals are living longer lives than they used to, allowing for cancers to take over where in generations past they might have died from other diseases first. In addition, there is no question that we are all exposed to more and different chemical entities in our lives than we were 50 years ago. Since we are still searching for answers in the human medical field, so we are in the veterinary world. Again, best wishes to you and Hesse. We are all pulling hard for you! Anne Copeland, Flash,TDI/CGC (Berner, 8 1/2 yrs.) Gypsy TDI/CGC(Rescue Cavalier,1 3/4 yr.) NE ILL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ty's memorial page: http://www.geocities.com/workingyorkie/ty.html Gypsy's page:http://hometown.aol.com/annes4/Gypsy.html
cancer rates
Berners have a 30% incidence of cancer. To properly evaluate what that statement realoly means, one would need to know more info. What is the cancer rate in other breeds to compare #'s? What is the actual death rate from cancer in Berners? (Some cancers can be successfully treated. My Java has been free of mast cell for 2 1/2 years now.) What age did the dogs die from the cancer? (A 5 yr old dying from cancer is a different thing than a 13 yr old w/ cancer.) Do specific cancers run in certain lines? The term cancer encompasses an entire spectrum of quite different illnesses. Vilma Briggs, MD Ohio Java, Buddy, Bean, Charm, and now Ted (and a husband and his 3 dogs)
Re: cancer advice
- Original Message - From: Jordan S. Dill [EMAIL PROTECTED] I ran across a site (The Mare's Nest) yesterday that states that Berners are liable to a high incidence of cancer (30% or so, as I recollect). That would be my web site, actually. And as I recall, without checking, I think I said estimates were as high as 30% and I based that on conversations with breeders, the death stats provided by the Berner health survey, and also the incidents rate on the health survey. You may remember that Hesse and I just fought our way through a bout w/cancer and when I asked about the why of this (bad luck, genetics, whatever) there seemed to be a consensus that Berner's were no more liable to cancer than any other breed. You did that concensus without including my opinion. As someone who has Berners, Newfs, and Pyrs in my life, I can tell you cancer as a health issues comes up on the Berner list more frequently than any of my other lists. Malignant Hisitosis is a very rare cancer in general, but the most common cancer of all in Berners. I think this can *only* be explained by genetics. Just like in people, some types of cancer are genetic and some are not. So, how do I balance the conflicting advice? You will never find anything past extremely simple facts where everyone agrees. You balance it by doing your own research, observing the world around you, and developing a coherent belief system based on your experience and the various evidences of others. Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.426 / Virus Database: 239 - Release Date: 12/2/2002
Moses' second round of chemo. for bone cancer
Our day began, officially, at about 5:30 AM, when we left Southeastern Massachusetts for the trip to Boston. This can take from 45 minutes to two hours, if the traffic is heavy. It only took an hour to drive there this morning, to Angell Memorial Animal Hospital, the place where miracles occur. Moses' admission time, for the day, was at 7AM. Our early arrival gave me time to carry the huge plush stuffed animal Berner, which Sandie H. from W. Virginia sent me, into the hospital, as this was always intended as a present for Moses' internal medicine specialist. Thank you Sandie; he was delighted! I left Angell with a heart heavy with worry and a lonely spirit as Moses would spend the usual 12 hours there for his second round of chemotherapy for osteosarcoma, to which he lost a leg. They treat Moses like the prince he will always be! The doctors always ask me to bring a urine sample from Moses so that they can perform a renal profile. Too, they do blood work on a STAT basis. Moses' blood work was fine; WHEW! Moses spends the day in the Critical Care Unit where he receives his Cisplatin and Adriamycin and fluids and other medications and he also received Torbugesic today. When I arrive to pick up Moses, at about 7PM, and I see the nurse walking him down the corridor toward me, my heart grows wings; I bend over to hug him and he leans into me and wags his tail with vigor and joy and my spirit sings. Lisa Allen _ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmailxAPID=42PS=47575PI=7324DI=7474SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsgHL=1216hotmailtaglines_advancedjmf_3mf
Re: Moses' second round of chemo. for bone cancer
In a message dated 12/19/2002 9:06:05 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I arrive to pick up Moses, at about 7PM, and I see the nurse walking him down the corridor toward me, my heart grows wings; I can empathize entirely as that is how I felt yesterday when I came to pick Flash up from having a few growths removed. They have been sent out for analysis, and tentative diagnosis is cysts, but we won't know for sure for another week. My spirits soar when I see him still running around the yard with Gypsy, tail wagging, smile on his face. I don't want it to ever end. Anne Copeland, Flash,TDI/CGC (Berner, 8 1/2 yrs.) Gypsy TDI/CGC(Rescue Cavalier,1 3/4 yr.) NE ILL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ty's memorial page: http://www.geocities.com/workingyorkie/ty.html Gypsy's page:http://hometown.aol.com/annes4/Gypsy.html
Re: cancer
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Ruth Reynolds wrote: Prevalence of premature death (before age 7) in the extended family I'm considering using for breeding or from which I'm considering a companion animal is very important information to me as a breeder and as a person who enjoys the companionship of my dogs for as long as we can hang together. Thanks Ruth...and to everyone else who commented. When I asked why of Angell and the Vet they w/o skipping a beat answered, genetics. This is what prompted the question. Now from what I gather (list answers to my question), unless there is a proclivity for cancer in a breeders line, this is not so. I do want another Berner friend for Hesse but can not go through what I've just been through financially...appreciate all the advice. ~~~ Jordan S. Dill SoVerNet: Vermont's Sovereign Internet Connection National Mobile Communications Corp. SoVerNetPO Box 495, 5 Rockingham St.276 East Allen Suite 2 Vmx. #146 Bellows Falls, VT 05101 Winooski, VT 05404 v - 802 463-2111 vmx.#146 Toll Free (877)877-2120 f - 802-463-2110f - 802-655-7291
Secondhand Smoke and Cancer in Dogs
On the subject of causes of cancer in our dogs, there is evidence that secondhand smoke will cause cancer and respiratory illness in dogs. See the following articles for more information. Secondhand Smoke Affects Pets, Too http://www.vetcentric.com/magazine/magazineArticle.cfm?ARTICLEID=1088 Second Hand Smoke Is Unhealthy For Pets Too. http://www.roen.com/021007.html Passive Smoking and Pets http://new.mypetstop.com/NR/exeres/DF753DFA-394D-446B-A25E-19AEA1BCF228%2C12DE0659-EE1E-4B51-B546-E9A1D3DD535D%2Cframeless.htm?Section=HealthCare Smoking could harm your pets http://www.womenslife.co.za/Default.asp?action=articleContentID=837 = Robin Camken Ottawa, ON, Canada E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Re: cancer
- Original Message - From: Jordan S. Dill [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I asked why of Angell and the Vet they w/o skipping a beat answered, genetics. This is what prompted the question. Now from what I gather (list answers to my question), unless there is a proclivity for cancer in a breeders line, this is not so. I do want another Berner friend for Hesse but can not go through what I've just been through financially...appreciate all the advice. Quite frankly, we know for a fact that some kinds of cancers are genetic, and some are just plain bad luck. Also, when we get quite elderly and something goes wrong in our bodies, it often manifests itself in a cancer. Berners do not develop cancer more often than Pyrs, but in my opinion, more Berners get cancers at younger ages, and the cancers tend to be more aggressive. For example, Malignant Hystosis is a very rare cancer, but it is the most common cancer Berners get. There is a genetic component to this cancer, but it is a complex one; it might skip some generations, or slide from a auntie to a nephew rather than parent to pup. So I do not disagree with the vet who told you genetics. And I do not think predicting and controlling these genetics is easy. It might be more common in some lines than others, but I really doubt there is a line which is cancer free. Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.426 / Virus Database: 239 - Release Date: 12/2/2002
Re: cancer
When I asked why of Angell and the Vet they w/o skipping a beat answered, genetics. This is what prompted the question. Now from what I gather (list answers to my question), unless there is a proclivity for cancer in a breeders line, this is not so. ***I think I understand why one might think that way but it is not my way of thinking. There is no family of Bernese I'm aware of that does not have a signficant incidence of cancer in the family. We do not achieve 49% of dogs in our health survey dying of cancer if cancer is represented in only some families. It is very widespread in this breed. However it may be more highly concentrated in some breedings or even in some families. ***I did a breeding in 1993 which rendered 9 pups. The father died at 8 yr 10 months with lymphoma. He was diagnosed at age 8.5 yr. The mother recently died at age 10y 4 mos with histiocytic sarcoma. Of the nine pups 4 were dead of various kinds of cancers by age 7. Another died with histio at 7.5 This was a horrendous breeding from the standpoint of early deaths to cancer IMO. However with the rest of the litter about to celebrates its 8th birthday this month. Based on the Y2K health survey's mean average age of death being 7.1 years, when I add up all the ages of death in this litter, assuming the remaining four dogs will die at age 8, I come up with this. 5+6+7+7+7.5+8+8+8+8=64.5 When I divide that by 9, I get the average age of death found in the breed, 7.1 years for this litter. ***Now personally, as a breeder, I consider this litter to have been horrid in the longevity department. It is unusual for so many members of a litter from my program to die so young. When I look at the pedigree for this litter, I can see clearly what I did in this combination that I've not done before and that which I will not do again. I share this scenario in an offering of one breeder's experiences with early deaths to cancer. ***I view starting a life with a Berner sort of like I view a lotto ticket. If it turns out to be a big winner (long, long relationship)that's a huge plus. If it doesn't, I still enjoy immensely holding it while I can. ***None of this is intended to minimize your suffering in the loss of your precious Hesse, Jordan, nor is it intended to minimize the significance of Hesse in this lifetime. We experience the suffering and departures from this life which befall many of our friends and family unless we predecease them. It is an experience that can be crippling or from which we grow. My Berners have shown me that growing from my experiences with them in life and in death is well worth the emotional prices I have paid. We each have to make that judgement call for ourselves. ***I wish for you healing of your heart and hope the time will come soon that memories of Hesse only bring happiness to you. Ruth Reynolds
RE: cancer
Jordan, I guess the best answer is, a little of all of the choices. There is certainly an element of chance, and in at least two of the cancers (mast cell, histiocytosis) there is also an element of genetics. Maybe some environmental causes, life style, who knows! We don't have the answers to cancer yet, we may someday. For now, we can just share the information, and look to see if there is any hereditary aspect of the various types of cancer. That's what Berner-Garde helps to do. In the meantime, you hug that Hesse and enjoy each day! Pat Long ( Luther) Berwyn PA
Re: cancer
Hi Jordan, Some advice sought... How might one relate to cancer in a Berner? Bad luck? Genetic? Or, what? I moderate a group on Yahoo for owners of pets with cancer and have done for the past three and a half years since my Sam was first diagnosed. Many pet owners come and go through this group, all breeds. Only four Bernese in the time I have been doing this, one my Sam, two others were Berner Owners I have pointed to this group. And, believe me, this group is busy. So, do I judge that Bernese are less prone to cancer than other breeds or that Berner owners are lucky to have Berner-L where these problems are addressed! Cancer is an issue but I do not believe is more so in this breed than any other! Or in us humans for that matter! My Sam's death to lymphosarcoma was heartbreaking for me, he was only six, first ever of my animals to die young! But, I will do my utmost to fund further research into cancer and possible genetic links, anything to help stop someone else going through the pain I felt when Sam died. And I work hard with EndlessLove helping other people who are facing this right now, not just lymphoma but all the other cancers too! Guess my answer has to come in the or what part of your query! More than bad luck, more than genetic in Berners! A much bigger issue here is involved! Cancer can be a killer for us all, one day we will find the answer if we all try hard enough! Biggest Berner Hugs, Jean, Sunny, Simmy, Barney and the Gang (Mr Rainbow Sam the Bridge Kids) http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/index.htm
Re: cancer
How might one relate to cancer in a Berner? Bad luck? Genetic? Or, what? Jordan, You'll probably get as many answers on that as there are people who respond. I relate to cancer in Berners this way. Two dogs live and work in the same environment, eat the same foods, drink from the same water source and breathe the same quality air. One dies prematurely from a specific type of cancer, and the other lives a normal lifespan and dies from the same or other form of illness. It seems to me the one who died earlier was predisposed to influences that the other was not at an earlier age. Seems to me that predisposition would be inherited. Prevalence of premature death (before age 7) in the extended family I'm considering using for breeding or from which I'm considering a companion animal is very important information to me as a breeder and as a person who enjoys the companionship of my dogs for as long as we can hang together. Ruth Reynolds Pioneer Bernese Greenwood, FL www.jersey.net/~mountaindog/rar
Bone cancer, be gone!
Moses, like the trooper he has always been, braved his first round of chemotherapy today for osteosarcoma, having had his leg amputated on Nov. 13. He was admitted to Angell Memorial Animal Hospital in Boston for the day for his treatment, spending about 7AM to 8PM there; this is because in addition to the chemo., they do extensive blood work and testing of the urine samples that I brought from Moses. Plus, as a part of the treatment, they must flush the dog's system. They noted, on his discharge summary, that he is a very sweet dog! He is under the expert supervision of Dr. Brum, who coordinates his treatments at Angell. Dr. Brum and all the staff at Angell treat me and Moses, and, I would imagine, all clients and patients, with great respect and gentleness and patience. Moses had adriamycin and cisplatin for chemo. and was also given medicine to prevent tummy upset. He seems fine. The chemo. is necessary because bone cancer tumors are notorious for sending, even before amputation, microscopic cancer cells into the body. I am so proud of Moses! Lisa Allen _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: cancer roll call celebrating seniors
In a message dated 11/20/2002 9:45:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why is that? Is it a no-no to mention kennel names when dealing with the dreaded diseases? Not for me. I think it's just the way that list got started. Arrow (2/14/97 - 12/8/98) is Caroling's Pierced Arrow, bred by me, and so far, the only case of histio we've experienced. Parents are in their ninth year, one littermate died at about the same time from improper medical care for an intestinal blockage from a foreign object, five other siblings alive and well at 5 years, 9 mos. and 3 years, 10 mos. Nothing to hide when it comes to histio. It's everywhere. Carol Lingley Caroling Bernese Ijamsville, MD
Cancer Roll Call!
Just been looking at all the posts that came in tonight re: Histio Roll Call!! This is so hard and so sad, and this just touching on Histio! So many cancers out there! I lost my Sam to Lymphosarcoma a few years ago, so proud that memory of my Big Boy goes on! Hope you will all take a look at the Raffle for the paintings that Willem has done, proceeds to Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center Fund! http://www.overthefence.com/raffle/CHF/ Yes, have a personal thing here, my Sam as puppy is up there! Just eight weeks old and my baby, but such a beautiful painting that Willem has recreated. OK, Sam died Lymphoma and not Histio! Does it matter? Somehow we have to do our best here! Research into Canine Cancer, all types, seems to me is way ahead of research into human cancer! And from sad but happy extra quality time experience with Sam would suggest that our doctors listen to our vets! Have lost too many human friends recently far too soon too! All love, Jean, Sunny, Simmy, Barney and the Gang X And Mr Rainbow Sam from the Bridge and Angel Friends! http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/index.htm
RE: Cancer Roll Call!
Jean, For the purpose of this research, it matters a great deal. Histio has been determined to have a genetic component, and it is the possibility of finding the genes that drives this research. But I think it's fitting that Sam's puppy picture is the basis for the one painting, even if it wasn't histio that took him from you. The artist, Willem, has had Berners and Newfies in his life for 35 years. He's lost 8 of them to cancers - so he also has a desire to find a way to help find solutions. All of us who have lost Berners to histio - want nothing more than to see the end of that disease. I think we're all going to be saddened by the length of the histio rollcall list, but I hope one day to see it stop growing any longer. Pat Long (Vesta - osteosarcoma, Maggie - hepatocellular carcinoma) Berwyn PA
MINI FUNDRAISER TO BEEIFIT CANCER RESEARCH
I am VERY excited about this fund raiser, for two reasons. One, as Pat Long did, I also lost my precious, first berner, to Histocytosis. To many of us have, and we all share that pain. Pat Long has been doing a fanominal job and, unrelenting, I might add, to make us all very well aware of what we can do in regards to fighting Cancer in our precious breed. We all want this hateful Cancer eradicated!! Twomy dear friend, Willem Wijnberg, has very kindly and graciously given us a tool in which we can participate in generating funds towards this Cancer cause. When you go look at the paintings he is presenting, p://www.overthefence.com/raffle/CHF/ please go look at another website, one owned by Jean Cheesman, http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/willem.htm and see many more of Willem's gorgeous paintings!! You will see what an incredible artist he is! When I lost my Britney to Histio, three years ago, Willem was kind enough to paint her picture as a surprise to me and, just a few months ago, also, as a surprise, sent me another one of his paintings, of Angel and Amika. They are both on Jean's website. :-) Willem has also painted for the Cancer cause of his beloved Newfies. What more can I say, but, Willem has a HEART OF GOLD and he is an Angel for our Berners and the Newfies! :') SOO, BUY THOSE RAFFLE TICKETS!!! Let's make Willem PROUD to have given us this tool to raise funds for our BELOVED BERNERS!!! :-D!!! Thanks for your time and your ears...g Karen, Angel and Amika www.overthefence.com/connors http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/willem.htm
Re: MINI-FUNDRAISER TO BENEFIT CANCER RESEARCH!!!
Thank you Carol for contacting Heidi! I am thrilled the diagnosis was not cancer - a phrase that is dear to my heart right now - No evidence of cancer - and I wish you all continued health! Molly and the gang Charlottesville, VA I ordered the kit from Heidi Parker at Fred Hutchinson Institute by phone, she shipped it overnight and we drew blood samples right before Stretch had a transfusion. We got him stable enough for a splenectomy last Wednesday. He came home 24 hours later and has made a remarkable recovery. Just this evening the call came from the vet that the lab reports were back - NO EVIDENCE OF CANCER -- NO HISTIO!
MINI-FUNDRAISER TO BENEFIT CANCER RESEARCH!!!
I am very pleased to announce a Mini Fundraiser to benefit research on Malignant Histiocytosis in Berners. This fundraiser is Mini because it will only run for ten days. It also only has two fantastic items. The fundraiser will start today, November 13th and will run until November 23rd. The drawing will take place on Thanksgiving Day, November 28th. A very generous gentleman artist from the Netherlands has donated two lovely paintings of Berners to help raise money for cancer research. Willem Wijnberg, a hobby painter, lost his Berner several years ago to cancer. Willem is legally blind and uses special tools to paint his beautiful Berner portraits. He wants to help us raise money to go towards a study being done in the Ostrander Lab at The Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, Washington. Heidi Parker and her colleagues are trying to identify the DNA variants that cause Malignant Histiocytosis. Once an association is found, the team will define the region of the dog genome that is associated with Malignant Histiocytosis and they will then begin searching for the markers and mutations that contribute to developing the disease. The efforts of these researchers will, it is hoped, lead, in the next three to four years, to a DNA test using associated markers for this disease. By the way, if you have a dog of any age who has been diagnosed with Malignant Histiocytosis or a ten year or older dog who has never been diagnosed with any type of histiocytosis, you can donate a blood sample to this study. Heidi currently has 22 samples from control dogs and 6 samples from dogs with Malignant Histiocytosis. She needs at least 18 more samples from control dogs and 34 samples from dogs with Malignant Histiocytosis in order to start her study. Please consider being part of this study - the Berners you help and their owners will be forever thankful if this leads to finding a marker for this dreaded disease or leads to finding a cure. Karen Pickel has once again made a terrific website for our fundraiser, so you can see Willem's paintings. Be sure to check it out and to also click on the link for information on the study and how you can help: http://www.overthefence.com/raffle/CHF/ The first painting (14 x 14 inches) is of Yasper, the father of Willem's Berner, Dingo, who died from Malignant Histiocytosis. The second painting (12 x 10 inches) is of Jean Cheesman's puppy, Sam (from England) who died about 3 years ago from cancer. Tickets for the fundraiser are: $5 each??OR??3 tickets for $10??OR??8 tickets for $20 Make your US checks payable to AKC CHF (contributions to AKC CHF are tax deductible) and in the memo part of your check, write Grant #2214. Please mail your check to: Joye M. Neff 1182 Firwood Drive Pittsburgh, PA 15243-1825 Please send me the following information with your check: Name Address Phone Number E-Mail Address How you want to distribute your tickets As usual, I can accept foreign cheques, with no extra charge from my bank. Make these cheques payable to Joye M. Neff, so I can convert them to US dollars. Please help us fight Malignant Histiocytosis. There are far too many young and old Berners who lose the battle to this terrible disease every day. We need to find a way to eliminate Malignant Histiocytosis. Won't you please be part of the solution - we CAN and WILL make a difference!! Joye Neff and Winston (Samantha and Ben) Mt. Lebanon, Pittsburgh, PA
Re: MINI-FUNDRAISER TO BENEFIT CANCER RESEARCH!!!
Hi Carol, I'm so happy that your story has a wonderful ending - I think that the word benign is one of my most favorite words!!! It's great news that Stretch is doing so well and the NO CANCER report will help you feel a lot better, too! Thanks for your support for our fundraiser and for cancer research!! Hugs and belly rubs to Stretch!! Joye Neff and Winston (Samantha and Ben) Mt. Lebanon, Pittsburgh, PA
Re: Mast Cell Cancer Study?
Pat, I'd be very interested to know of any mast cell ca studies. Jennifer Zaayer and Dash (almost done w/radiation treatments for mast cell)
Mast Cell Cancer Study?
Does anyone know of a study being done at Michigan State on mast cell cancer? If there is one, does anyone have the name and contact information of the vet to whom samples are sent? Thanks --- Cheryl Brickach
