Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Milk a Cow

2006-08-15 Thread Armando Del Gobbo
What ever you do, don't tie the tail to the stall!  She will walk away 
without it!

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 tell the genius to tie it to the cow's tail hahaha  end of original 
 message.
 That was the point!  The brick * was tied to the cow's tail!






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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Small engine repair/ scrap metal

2006-08-15 Thread Larry Stansifer
Robert,

Actually certain engine components are aluminum. Generally speaking 
however, most of them are either cast iron or a composite usually referred 
to as pot metal. The other thing you want to be aware of when separating 
out your scrap is that even aluminum is what the scrappers consider dirty. 
This means that it has steel inserts for threading fasteners into, Bronze 
or copper inserts for valve guides, seals for compression and well you get 
the idea.
A friend of mine who owns a small engine repair shop has a Trailer made of 
the back half of an old pickup and he just throws all of the junk metal in 
it and a guy comes around periodically and exchanges an empty trailer for 
his full one. The only thing that poor scrapper makes any money on is the 
aluminum beer cans that get tossed in their.

I always maintained that if anyone held a gun on me and forced me back in 
to the service profession it would be as either a small engine guy or doing 
personal water craft service and repair.

Good luck with your endeavor.
At 10:13 PM 8/14/2006 -0500, Robert J. Moore wrote:

I am starting to gather old junk mowers and what ever small engine
equipmenht I can get my hands on to make a little money on the side with the
view twards building some thing substancial.
To start with I am taking any thing regardless of condition. I figure what
ever I find will at least have some parts I can inventory even if it is a
throttle cable or an air filter cover. You never know what you may need.
Once i take off what I can inventory I am left with a carcus that I will
need to dispose of.
After saying all that Does any one know for sure if all small engines are
aluminum? I know that i can test them with a magnet but I am curious to know
ahead of time.

I figure if they are all, or at least the vast majority aare aluminum, I
will strip the blocks when I get a stock pile and I can sell the aluminum
for a (* load more than if I did not seperate every thing.
prepared metal of any type is worth more than the sum of all the metals when
they are not seperated.
So I am thinking I should not really loose by taking any thing and every
thing.



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[BlindHandyMan] Post for deck and porch

2006-08-15 Thread rj
http://www.hammerzone.com/archives/decks/oldporch/found/footing.htm

I was surprise in your area the code calls for cement instead of gravel
around the deck posts. For years I been using the method in this article to
keep  the water away from the deck posts. This site also have more articles
pertaining to the subject.

Bruce W. Maki,



Editor

This article describes the procedure for making a simple square footing from
concrete. While the structure being supported is a porch for an old house,
this footing method would work equally well for a deck. This footing is
quite large (16 by 16) and was used to support a 6x6 post. Smaller posts
could
use a much smaller footing, perhaps 8 square or 12 square.

When this photo was taken we had just completed a repair job on the stone
foundation below the porch.

The porch framing had rotted and was removed a few years earlier. We used a
pair of 2x6's to prop up the porch roof.

The previous owners had used these concrete blocks to support the corner of
the porch deck. We continued to use the blocks for temporary support while
the
house foundation was repaired.

But at this point the blocks were invited to leave.

Right below the cement blocks was this large (but shallow) footing. This
hunk of concrete was about 24 inches in diameter. This footing was a waste
of time
and material. It doesn't need to be so big, but it needed to be deeper in
the ground.

Here in Northern Michigan footings normally must be at least 48 inches deep
to ensure that frost never gets below them and heaves them upward.

We dug the hole about 5 feet deep. First we used a shovel to excavate about
2 feet down, and then we used a pair of post-hole diggers to complete the
task.

The soil on the bottom of the hole was leveled and tamped with a 4x4 post.
We made a simple footing form out of 2x8 boards. The footing will be 16 x
16,
and almost 8  thick.

Technical Stuff:

This footing size is far bigger than the minimum required. We estimated the
load on the porch column to be no more than 2,000 pounds. For the roof, we
estimated
500 pounds of dead load (the wood and shingles) and 500 pounds of live load
(one-fourth of the 5' x 13' roof area, multiplied by the 30
pound-per-square-foot
snow load for this area). Then we assumed the same load for the porch floor.

This 16-inch-square footing has 1.78 square feet of bearing area. Even the
lowest capacity soil (soft clay or loam) can withstand 2000 pounds per
square
foot (PSF). But the soil here is a sandy clay, which can support 4000 PSF or
possibly more. So our footing would be able to support over 7,000 pounds
safely.
True, it's over-built, but the extra cost is trivial (a $1.65 bag of
concrete mix).

We used a long stick to accurately position the old porch column perfectly
plumb. The red numbers on the stick are from some other job and don't mean
anything.

In a wheelbarrow I mixed 2 and 1/2 bags of ready-mix concrete.

Estimating Concrete Quantities:

Cured concrete weighs between 120 and 140 pounds per cubic foot. Each 60
pound bag makes about 1/2 of a cubic foot of concrete. I calculated the
footing
volume to be 1.2 cubic feet, so I needed a little more than 2 bags.

I placed a couple of inches of concrete in the bottom of the  footing, and
then pushed in two pieces of reinforcing bar (rebar) in an X-formation.
These
pieces of rebar are set about an inch above the bottom.

Putting rebar in the exact center (when viewed vertically) of a footing,
slab, or beam is a waste. The center of these horizontal structures is known
as
the neutral axis, and it usually bears no tensile or compressive stresses.
There is no benefit to strengthening the neutral axis. Rebar is needed near
the bottom and possibly near the top of footings and similar structures.

When the concrete form was filled, I pushed in two more pieces of rebar,
just below the surface by an inch or so.

This is an anchor bolt. The L-shape keeps it locked in the concrete.

I pushed the anchor bolt (with the nut and washer removed) into the center
of the footing.

This is a concrete edging tool. Very inexpensive, less than $5.

The edger is meant for creating smooth rounded edges on sidewalks and
driveway slabs.

I used the edger to form a neat corner on the footing.

I have never seen professional concrete contractors do this to footings. So
why did we do it? Because a rounded corner is less prone to chipping and
cracking.
This took about 5 seconds. I had the tool nearby. What the heck?

This is a premium galvanized steel 6 post base. The hole in the center is
for the anchor bolt. The post rests above the concrete footing, which keeps
it
drier, thus prolonging it's life.

While the concrete was still wet, I put the post base in place, so it would
be level and slightly embedded in the concrete. I did not install the washer
and nut until the next day, when the concrete had hardened.

Later, when we did the porch framing, we installed the 6x6 treated post.

We probably could have used a 4x4 post, but 

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Tired, so tired.

2006-08-15 Thread Carla Jo
good grief Dan, if Teresa doesn't leave after all this, I think Sep. the 4 
is a go.  Just curious though, what would  it have cost to have someone come 
in and build this deck?
cj
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Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Tired, so tired.


The latest installment of the deck saga.

Teresa borrowed her brother's pickup truck on Friday evening.  Saturday we
got an early start and headed for the lumber yard.  We picked up quite
literally a ton of lumber.  20 2X10X14s, 5 6X6X8s, 8 4X4X8s, a few shorter
2X10Xs, a couple of 2X8X14s, 2X6X14s, and a few 1 bys.  We didn't pick up
the decking material yet.

the extremely helpful guy at the lumber yard did a nice job of picking
straight lumber for me.  Even fork lifted one pallet out of the way to get
to some better boards.  anyway, he did a shitty job of loading the truck
and put the shorter material on the bottom and the longer material on top.
Since the pickup truck had a tool box across the back, and above the bed,
the long stuff ran into the tool box and thus stuck out even further than
it should have, like 7 or so feet off the tailgate.

We ratchet strapped the stuff in, stapled some flags on the ends of the
boards and started the drive home.  We were a bit worried about losing the
load but we made it home uneventfully.

Now, I have explained before that to get to the courtyard where my house
is located, you must climb twenty steps, walk along a 60 foot landing, up
another 22 steps and then you are in the courtyard.  My house is about 150
feet down the courtyard.  Anything you purchase or get rid of has to go up
or down those stairs.  Not much of a way around it.  However, there is a
driveway that runs parallel to the stairs, it belongs to the people in the
house to the right of the stairs.  Well, about where the driveway flattens
out to wrap around the back of the neighbors house, it is level with the
long plateau of the stairs.  There is just a waist high brick wall
separating the driveway from the landing at that point.

so, Teresa and I and a ton of wood arrived back home.  We figured we would
pull up the driveway and pass the boards over the wall and stack them on
the landing, thus avoiding having to carry them up the first twenty steps.
We knocked on the neighbors door to ask permission, but no one was home.
So we figured it is easier to ask forgiveness than permission anyway.
Teresa was uncomfortable trying to back up the driveway because it is
quite narrow and the pickup truck quite large.  I was skeptical myself
since the driveway is very steep at the bottom and with the boards
sticking so far out I figured there was a good chance the boards would jam
into the slope of the driveway.  So Teresa drove up the driveway.

Well, I heard a rather loud snap/pop and then a bunch of sliding and
crashing.  The anchor bolt that we had secured the ratchet strap to,
sheered off and the entire load of lumber, and six 80 pound bags of
concrete came sliding out of the bed of the truck and on the driveway.

We hurriedly started shifting the lumber out of the driveway and stacking
it at the bottom of the steps, which is what we had been attempting to
avoid.  Luckily, nothing broke, not even the bags of cement, but a few of
the board ends got a bit dinged.  We managed to get all but three boards
moved when the owner of the house showed up.  We apologized profusely and
quickly moved the last of the boards.  By this time, there were a bunch of
people standing around, talking, asking questions, and milling about.
Teresa attempted to back the truck out of the driveway and with everyone
moving about, she got distracted and took off the drivers side view
mirror.  Oh well.

She and I then started hauling the boards up the stairs, all 44 of them,
down the courtyard, and around the side of the house.  A couple of
neighbors jumped in to offer help and Jason and I started carrying the
boards while Wiltrude and Teresa hauled the bags of cement one at a time
on a dolly up the stairs.

Jason and wiltrude eventually had to go so Teresa and I ended up finishing
the job.  It took about four hours of work in total.  We were severely
beat by the time we were done.  I must have consumed a gallon of water and
Gaidor Aid when we were done.

Saturday morning also started early.  Teresa convinced me that since we
had the truck, we should pick up the rest of the cement.  We needed 30
bags to fill the five post holes.  An 80 pound bag doesn't hold nearly as
much cement, in terms of cubic feet as you would imagine.  Actually, an 80
pound bag is half a cubic freakin foot.  When you have to have 12 inch
diameter, 42 inch high footers, 36 inches below ground and 6 inches above,
that is roughly 2.75 cubic feet per footer, or five and a half 80 friggin
pound bags of cement per. In actuality, I also need footers for the stairs
to the deck although those holes are only 8 inches in 

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Tired, so tired.

2006-08-15 Thread Carla Jo
Dan proclaimed, I want to create something that I can touch and feel and 
know that it is
there because I made it be there.
Well Dan, I had two babies without drugs, breast fed them and the whole nine 
yards and it wasn't  as tough as your project sounds.  I do understand about 
wanting to do that physical work though.  Next time you get that feeling of 
wanting to make something of your own, have a baby.
cj
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Carla asked:

 Just curious though, what would  it have cost to have someone come
 in and build this deck?

Carla Carla Carla.  You are missing the point completely.  I could easily
have paid someone to come in and build this deck for me.  They would
probably have done a better job.  They would have gotten it done a hell of
a lot faster than I will.  And I wouldn't have had to haul 80 freakin
pound bags of cement up the stairs.  and it would probably have cost me a
grand or two more to save my back.

However, I am building the deck not so much because I want a deck, but
because I want to build a deck.  I sit at my stupid desk pounding on a
keyboard all friggin day.  At the end of the day, I have nothing to point
to and say I made that, I created that.  I can only say, nothing broke
today.  I can say I gave people answers to questions they had.  I can say
I tested this or tested that and it broke this way or didn't break that
way.  I can't even get into the room where the machines I work on are
stashed.  They are in a secure machine room two blocks away.  There is a
total lack of physicality to the work I do.

I want to create something that I can touch and feel and know that it is
there because I made it be there.

My degree is in mechanical engineering but when I couldn't convince an
employer I could be a mechanical engineer I had to earn a living so I went
into I T, something I can't stand but it earns me a lot of money so I do
it.

anyway, that's probably a bit deeper look into my head than folks on the
list needed, but it's the truth.

Later.



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Tired, so tired.

2006-08-15 Thread Jay Williams
Just thought I'd introduce a bit of dark humor into this thread. I was the
piano technician at an art school in North carolina. One very long day, I
was finishing up a piano in a dance studio. As I replaced the front cover I
gave it a flourish as I said There! and the end of the cover
unceremoniously ripped off half a dozen hammers. Talk about mastering one's
temper, knowing I was already tired but had now created a couple hours more
of work.
Jay
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 Dam My man
 You are not alone in you r thinking.
 It probably is true for the most part for women also but I think more so
for
 men that we need to have some thing that we can point to and say, Yep I
put
 that together.

 That is a project that I would not even atempt because it is way over my
 head. but I am very good with assembling just about any thing that comes
out
 of a box from the home improvement stores. Such as grills and cabinets and
 so on.
 Not rocket science but still when I am done I can step back and appreciate
 the acomplishment.
 Same with working on the car. It is very satisfying to start with a car
that
 has a problem and when you are done it no longer has that same problem.
 I think too that it helps every blind person when some one that is blind
 does any thing that our culture is convinced can not be done by a blind
 person.

 When you are finnished maybe you could put up a picture of your deck for
 those who have enough remaining vision to appreciate it not to mention
 friends and family of the rest of us.
 Rock on



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Tired, so tired.

2006-08-15 Thread spiro
then Theresa will really leave him and it won't reflect on her character. 
:)


On Tue, 15 Aug 2006, Carla Jo wrote:

 Dan proclaimed, I want to create something that I can touch and feel and
 know that it is
 there because I made it be there.
 Well Dan, I had two babies without drugs, breast fed them and the whole nine
 yards and it wasn't  as tough as your project sounds.  I do understand about
 wanting to do that physical work though.  Next time you get that feeling of
 wanting to make something of your own, have a baby.
 cj
 - Original Message -
 From: Dan Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 9:44 AM
 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Tired, so tired.


 Carla asked:

 Just curious though, what would  it have cost to have someone come
 in and build this deck?

 Carla Carla Carla.  You are missing the point completely.  I could easily
 have paid someone to come in and build this deck for me.  They would
 probably have done a better job.  They would have gotten it done a hell of
 a lot faster than I will.  And I wouldn't have had to haul 80 freakin
 pound bags of cement up the stairs.  and it would probably have cost me a
 grand or two more to save my back.

 However, I am building the deck not so much because I want a deck, but
 because I want to build a deck.  I sit at my stupid desk pounding on a
 keyboard all friggin day.  At the end of the day, I have nothing to point
 to and say I made that, I created that.  I can only say, nothing broke
 today.  I can say I gave people answers to questions they had.  I can say
 I tested this or tested that and it broke this way or didn't break that
 way.  I can't even get into the room where the machines I work on are
 stashed.  They are in a secure machine room two blocks away.  There is a
 total lack of physicality to the work I do.

 I want to create something that I can touch and feel and know that it is
 there because I made it be there.

 My degree is in mechanical engineering but when I couldn't convince an
 employer I could be a mechanical engineer I had to earn a living so I went
 into I T, something I can't stand but it earns me a lot of money so I do
 it.

 anyway, that's probably a bit deeper look into my head than folks on the
 list needed, but it's the truth.

 Later.



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 Blue skies.
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 Carnegie Mellon University.
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Milk a Cow

2006-08-15 Thread Tom Fowle
Yeah, but can you imagine the 'pooper-scooper'
and baggies you'd need to carry around? GRIN
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Tired, so tired.

2006-08-15 Thread Tom Fowle
Gaads Dan, you really want that deck don't you.

Sounds like Theresa is worth her weight ingold, or platinum or something.

Now I need a nap after reading all that work.

good going
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Tired, so tired.

2006-08-15 Thread Larry Stansifer
John,

I mentioned your Thompson Deck stain dilemma to the contractor guy who is 
rescuing me from deck building Hell! and he suggested that possibly the 
wood was wet when the product was applied or perhaps it hadn't been sanded 
sufficiently.
My friend, I am clueless if you need to the finer points of installing an 
engine in your Porsche or you want to know how to customize a rear 
suspension package on an old El Camino hot-rod I'm your guy but this wood 
stuff is way!!! beyond me.

At 03:16 PM 8/15/2006 -0400, John Schwery wrote:

Dan, nope, I haven't found one, yet.

earlier, Dan Rossi, wrote:
 John,
 
 Were you able to find a deck sealer that worked better for you than
 Thompson's?  I am pretty much committed to just paying someone to stain
 the deck at the beginning of each season.  I don't like the feel of the
 composites I've seen so far.  And Teresa says they all look like plastic.
 She says sure they have a wood grain look, but they don't look like wood.
 
 Later.
 
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[BlindHandyMan] How to Make a Compost Bin from a Garbage Can

2006-08-15 Thread Boyce, Ray
Hi
Compost is nothing more than decomposed plant material, so you don't need a 
fancy bin to make your own compost. You can create compost in a heap on the
ground, but most gardeners think that containing your compost pile makes it 
look tidier. Here's how to make compost in a recycled garbage can.
   
Steps:
1.
Punch holes in a garbage can. The microbes that actually do the composting need 
oxygen to do their work.
  
2.
Chop plant debris into small pieces and place them inside the garbage can. 
Ideally, you should use 50 percent green material and 50 percent dry, but you
can use shredded newspaper for the dry material if necessary. You don't need to 
fill the can all at one time - just put in the plant material you have
on hand.
  
3.
Spray water over the chopped plant material inside the can, until the material 
is damp but not soggy.
  
4.
Put the lid on the can.
  
5.
Place the filled garbage can on bricks or several 2-by-4-inch pieces of lumber 
to keep the can off the ground and prevent it from rusting.
  
6.
Turn the can as often as daily, or at least once a week. Lay the can on its 
side and roll it around to mix the plant material inside.
  
7.
Add more plant material at any time.
  
8.
Keep the compost about as moist as a wrung-out sponge by spraying it with water 
when the plant material begins to feel dry.
  
9.
Harvest your compost after one month. Use a wire screen or piece of chicken 
wire to strain out the unfinished compost.
   
Tips:
 
Compost can be used to top-dress garden beds or as potting soil for indoor 
plants.
   
Once the plant material inside the can is no longer warm to the touch, the 
composting process is finished.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] central air conditioning quote number 2

2006-08-15 Thread David Ferrin
Yes it does, thank you.
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Your plenum is the part of your furnace that has the duct work attached. It is 
just a boxed in area, usually located on top of your furnace that collects the 
hot air and then your furnace blower blows to distribute it throughout your 
dwelling. I don't know what you have there as far as your furnace or how many 
cfm (cubic feet per minute) your blower produces but the coil for your air 
conditioning will install inside the plenum and the blower will blow across it 
and distribute the cool air throughout your home. There are formulas that the 
pros use to determine how large a coil you need and also how large a fan you 
will needd to do the job.

Hope this helps.

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To: BHM 
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 13:00
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] central air conditioning quote number 2

I've got another guy coming out tomorrow to give us another quote, but 
here's my question. The first guy said that they would have to pull my 
furnace to put I believe the coil or something like that underneath. The 
second guy who put the furnace in originally said they don't need to pull it 
out at all. They may need to change out the blower fan motor if it it's not 
the right type for some reason, I think he said on the phone a 3 speed or 
the like. My question is where is this thing called the plenum located? 
Also what does it do? I should know that I guess but unfortunately I don't 
have that information at hand. Is it on the upper part near the fan or is 
it down close to the floor? The second guy represents the company who 
installed the furnace in the first place. It doesn't happen often but when 
you get 2 contractors saying they are going to go about a given job 
differently it is rather irritating to say the least.
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Install Joist Hangers for a Deck

2006-08-15 Thread Dale Leavens
Believe me, it is much easier to attach the hangers to the ledger first and 
then just drop the joist into the hanger. To align them to the top of the 
ledger board it is helpful to use a short scrap of the correct dimension, 
that is to say a three or four inch length of 2 by 8 or 2 by 10 or what ever 
you are using for joists.

The best way of course is to instal the hangers on the ledger before you 
mount the ledger to the wall. I think that Dan has already made his mounting 
holes though so he may not be able to instal all of the hangers before 
mounting the ledger.

by the way Dan, there are double joist hangers just in case you didn't know 
that.

The last time I built a deck was before hangers were commonly available. I 
assembled the joist structure on the ground by nailing through the rim joist 
then wrestled the beggar into place. I did not attach that one to the 
building though.

When I built this addition I nailed the joists into place through the 
hangers and into the rim by directing the nails in on an angle. The thought 
was that this would help drive the joist end snug to the rim and hold it 
there. By nailing from both sides the spreading direction would 
theoretically make removal more difficult. Don't know why that should matter 
really but it seemed like a good idea at the time.


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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Install Joist Hangers for a Deck


I would install the joist hangers on the joist before the ledger.  It is
 hard nailing a bracket to a joist in mid air.  When you nail the bracket 
 to
 the ledger it's solid.  This also allows you to make the floor edge of the
 joist all even
 with a tight string line.
 Loren
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 For the blind I recommend measuring and cutting some spacers. They should 
 be
 clearly identified so sighted people and blind ones too don't throw them
 away.

 These spacers should be cut the length of the distance between joists on 
 16
 inch centers. In theory this should be 14 and a half inches but in my
 experience it is usually closer to 14 and a quarter. When using joist
 hangers it may be necessary to allow a little for them too and I have 
 found
 it useful to double check and allow for a little drift particularly where
 spacing is more critical such as behind 4 by 8 sheets, I think it may be
 because dimensional lumber isn't all that precise.

 It can be helpful to attach a longer piece like a length of 2 by 4 to one
 edge so the spacer can be hung on the ledger or edge joist for easier
 positioning. Make one for each end it is a bit like having another pair of
 hands when aligning your joists. They also help a lot in keeping joists
 vertical and if necessary to persuade a certain amount of twist out of 
 less
 than fully dry timber.

 TIP:  Don't jam the spacer in too tight it can be a bear to get out.

 TIP:  2 by 4 spacers can be useful in exactly the same way for 
 constructing
 walls and occasionally get left behind and difficult for the blind to 
 locate
 once the wall is erected.

 TIP:  It can be useful to very precisely cut a length of strapping exactly 
 4
 feet long for verifying accurate centers particularly for walls where
 sheeting will be installed. Be aware that sighted helpers also find 4 foot
 lengths useful for scrap or temporary braces so they tend to disappear.

 Remember that the first member is not always 16 inches on center but 16
 inches center from the edge, actually 15 and a quarter to center. This 
 need
 not be true in deck construction where 4 foot panels are to be installed 
 but
 it does become important when installing things like siding or drywall.

 Often a series of templates will prove to be more durable than braille
 measuring devices on the building site always supposing they remain
 locatable. Folding carpenters rulers seem to find themselves under boots 
 or
 knees.

 I also like to instal a series of spacers between the joists part way 
 along
 their span. This substantially stiffens up the structure at very little
 cost. Traditionally 'X' braces are used but I am a little too lazy for 
 that
 and it requires much more precision

 Hopefully you will find some small pearls in this Dan.



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[BlindHandyMan] Note to moderator

2006-08-15 Thread Robert J. Moore
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Tired, so tired.

2006-08-15 Thread Cy Selfridge
Might want to check out Consumer Reports a few months ago. They did a report
on deck sealers.
Right now I can not remember squat about them though.
Cy, the Ancient Okie... 

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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Tired, so tired.

Dan, nope, I haven't found one, yet.

earlier, Dan Rossi, wrote:
John,

Were you able to find a deck sealer that worked better for you than 
Thompson's?  I am pretty much committed to just paying someone to stain 
the deck at the beginning of each season.  I don't like the feel of the 
composites I've seen so far.  And Teresa says they all look like plastic.
She says sure they have a wood grain look, but they don't look like wood.

Later.

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Note to moderator

2006-08-15 Thread Otis Blue
Hi,

I would like to no who's the moderator because I would like to write to them
to get an approval on something if it's possible.  So if someone can send me
the mailing address I should write to, I would really appreciate it.

 


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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Tired, so tired.

2006-08-15 Thread Robert J. Moore
Any song writers out there? I think there is a song buried some where there
in Cy's piano moving story.




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Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Install Joist Hangers for a Deck

2006-08-15 Thread Dan Rossi
I had hung a ledger board on the wall but pulled it down again.  I 
basically was winging it a bit and made sure the two holes I put in didn't 
conflict with internal house joists.  I figured I would just make sure I 
had one bolt per internal house joist and then just hang the external 
joists wherever, having them cover the bolts if necessary.  Teresa seemed 
to be getting pretty upset with me believing I was being to casual and I 
should have a much better plan.  So I tore down the ledger board, mapped 
out where every internal house joist is, where every external deck joist 
will go, and then marked where the bolts could fit between.  They aren't 
on 16 inch centers anymore they range from 12 to 20 inches apart but the 
right number of them will be in the ledger and none of them will fall 
behind a deck joist.  It made her happy.

Yeah, I picked up a double joist hanger but forgot to pick up some corner 
brackets to attach the first and last joists.  Not like I won't be back to 
a hardware store 72 more times anyway.

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[BlindHandyMan] Cutting a curve

2006-08-15 Thread Dan Rossi
So, what would be the easiest or actually most accurate way of cutting a 
quarter circle out of a sheet of ply?  Actually, a half circle will work 
also.  Since the radius of the circle is 3 feet 10.5 inches, diameter of 7 
feet 9 inches, this fits nicely into a 4X8 sheet.  I have an idea of just 
making a strip of wood and somehow mounting a jig saw on one end of it. 
Then driving a nail through the pivot point exactly 3 feet 10.5 inches 
from the near side of the saw blade and then driving the nail into the 
sheet somewhere pretty close to dead center near one long edge of the 
sheet.

Since I don't have a jig saw at the moment I am not sure how easy it will 
be to mount the shoe of the saw to a strip of wood.  Is this the way to do 
this?

Thanks.


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[BlindHandyMan] purchase or build a tactile VU meeter

2006-08-15 Thread Kevin Doucet
Hi list,

I am sending this to the list as some may be interested in purchasing 
the Tactile VU Meter.  It is a device about the size of a pack of 
smokes. You can calibrate it to vibrate when the signal fed to it 
exceeds a set point, thus alerting, tactually, when a desired level is reached.

Mention is made of a schematic one can use to make their own if one 
wants. This person is willing to manufacture several if desired. The 
price will be determined by the number of units to make. Please read 
below and familiarize your self with the email's he and I traded on this topic.

(snip)

I enquired about a product called the Tactile VU Meter.
Below is the series of emails between myself and Robert Armstrong, 
who is the person offering to make them.


(snip)


To whom it may concern,
I belong to a group of blind musicians and am contacting you to learn 
how individuals
of our group may purchase the Tactile VU Meter.
Please email me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  to let me know.
Thanks for your time and help.
Kevin Doucet


(snip)



From: Robert Armstrong
Subject: RE: Tactile VU Meter!
   I'm sorry to say that we don't really manufacture the tactile VU 
meter.  In four
or five years I think we've only made three or four, and that's 
counting the first
one that I made for my wife.  Depending on how many you want, there 
are a couple
of options
   * If you want just one or two, then I'm willing to make them for 
you in my spare
time, but it might take a few months.  If you have a friend who can 
build one, or
if you can do it yourself (don't laugh - I know blind people who can 
solder!) then
you're always welcome to assemble your own using the schematic and 
information on
the web page.
   * If you want a bunch, where a bunch is ten, twenty, or more, 
then we can talk
about a special manufacturing run.  We could even talk about 
designing a new one
- frankly, if I was going to do it again I'd do a lot of things differently.
Bob Armstrong



(snip)


From: Kevin Doucet
Subject: RE: Tactile VU Meter!
Hi Bob,
Do I have your permission to share this with the emailing list I 
belong to of blind
musicians? You could get good feedback on features.
Kevin Doucet


(snip)



   Sure, absolutely.  The more people who get together to buy one, 
the better deal
we can get.
Bob


Kevin Doucet


(snip)

If any one wants to be included on a list so we will know the number 
of units to be manufactured, please contact me, off list, and give 
me your name and email address in the body of the message and I will 
add you to the list.


If any one wants to contact Robert Armstrong with input on a design 
or feature set, he can be contacted at;

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Thanks.



Kevin Doucet
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


confuse as says

Blind man with unmarked forehead has large belly!



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Cutting a curve

2006-08-15 Thread clifford
Dear Dan:
Using a router in the same way as you describe for a jig-saw will also 
work.  If you choose to go the jig-saw rout, you will need to turn the 
jig-saw slightly toward the center of the circle.  I used this same 
technique a few years ago, and if you have the saw at ninety degrees to the 
center, the saw will pull away and in my case bend the blade.  Using a 
router avoids the problem which is created when a jig-saw blade attempts to 
go in a straight line.

Yours Truly,

Clifford Wilson
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From: Dan Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:02 PM
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Cutting a curve


So, what would be the easiest or actually most accurate way of cutting a
quarter circle out of a sheet of ply?  Actually, a half circle will work
also.  Since the radius of the circle is 3 feet 10.5 inches, diameter of 7
feet 9 inches, this fits nicely into a 4X8 sheet.  I have an idea of just
making a strip of wood and somehow mounting a jig saw on one end of it.
Then driving a nail through the pivot point exactly 3 feet 10.5 inches
from the near side of the saw blade and then driving the nail into the
sheet somewhere pretty close to dead center near one long edge of the
sheet.

Since I don't have a jig saw at the moment I am not sure how easy it will
be to mount the shoe of the saw to a strip of wood.  Is this the way to do
this?

Thanks.


-- 
Blue skies.
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Carnegie Mellon University.
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Cutting a curve

2006-08-15 Thread Barry Levine

A spiral saw will work, as well.


--Barry


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On Behalf Of clifford
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To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Cutting a curve

Dear Dan:
Using a router in the same way as you describe for a jig-saw will also 
work.  If you choose to go the jig-saw rout, you will need to turn the 
jig-saw slightly toward the center of the circle.  I used this same 
technique a few years ago, and if you have the saw at ninety degrees to the 
center, the saw will pull away and in my case bend the blade.  Using a 
router avoids the problem which is created when a jig-saw blade attempts to 
go in a straight line.

Yours Truly,

Clifford Wilson
- Original Message - 
From: Dan Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: BlindHandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:02 PM
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Cutting a curve


So, what would be the easiest or actually most accurate way of cutting a
quarter circle out of a sheet of ply?  Actually, a half circle will work
also.  Since the radius of the circle is 3 feet 10.5 inches, diameter of 7
feet 9 inches, this fits nicely into a 4X8 sheet.  I have an idea of just
making a strip of wood and somehow mounting a jig saw on one end of it.
Then driving a nail through the pivot point exactly 3 feet 10.5 inches
from the near side of the saw blade and then driving the nail into the
sheet somewhere pretty close to dead center near one long edge of the
sheet.

Since I don't have a jig saw at the moment I am not sure how easy it will
be to mount the shoe of the saw to a strip of wood.  Is this the way to do
this?

Thanks.


-- 
Blue skies.
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Carnegie Mellon University.
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Install Joist Hangers for a Deck

2006-08-15 Thread Dale Leavens
The location of your lags doesn't really matter much. This is particularly 
true in your application where the ledger is essentially sitting on the 
shoulder of the basement.

Lags don't get a lot of purchase in the end grain of your house joists.

If heads end up behind joist hangers then just counter sink them enough for 
clearance.

Did your building code specify how many lag bolts and what sort are 
required? Did they specify you had to penetrate through your brick work into 
the rim of the house? I would have thought that simply setting them into 
sufficient steel shields in the masonry would have been fully adequate.Going 
all the way through the brick and air space and on into the rim joist and 
through to a floor joist, man you are running a very long bolt most of which 
isn't doing anything.

That is true, when you own a home you become intimate with your iron monger.

Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Install Joist Hangers for a Deck


I had hung a ledger board on the wall but pulled it down again.  I
 basically was winging it a bit and made sure the two holes I put in didn't
 conflict with internal house joists.  I figured I would just make sure I
 had one bolt per internal house joist and then just hang the external
 joists wherever, having them cover the bolts if necessary.  Teresa seemed
 to be getting pretty upset with me believing I was being to casual and I
 should have a much better plan.  So I tore down the ledger board, mapped
 out where every internal house joist is, where every external deck joist
 will go, and then marked where the bolts could fit between.  They aren't
 on 16 inch centers anymore they range from 12 to 20 inches apart but the
 right number of them will be in the ledger and none of them will fall
 behind a deck joist.  It made her happy.

 Yeah, I picked up a double joist hanger but forgot to pick up some corner
 brackets to attach the first and last joists.  Not like I won't be back to
 a hardware store 72 more times anyway.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Cutting a curve

2006-08-15 Thread Dale Leavens
Do you have a router?

Using the same technique and a straight cutting router bit measure from the 
cutting edge of the router bit to the pivot point and off you go.

You may find it helpful to form a sort of box like an open ended wrench to 
settle the router base into for additional security and if at all thick you 
should probably do it in a couple of passes of increasing depth but it does 
do a superb job.

If you have a router table and enough room you can make a jig like that 
often used for a band saw and do it that way as well.

Finally of course you can use a jig saw but it will not make as sweet a cut. 
I have not had much luck mounting the shoe plate to a stick and it is 
necessary that the leading edge of the blade is kept pretty well in line 
with the pivot point but if the guiding board is wide enough to keep the 
shoe easily parallel with it's end then this can work well too.

I have used both a jig saw and a router for that sort of task but prefer the 
router.

I think in your situation I would first cut the plywood in half so as to 
preserve the unnecessary cut.

How thick a sheet are you cutting and why that size? Inquiring minds want to 
know.

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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 5:02 PM
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Cutting a curve


 So, what would be the easiest or actually most accurate way of cutting a
 quarter circle out of a sheet of ply?  Actually, a half circle will work
 also.  Since the radius of the circle is 3 feet 10.5 inches, diameter of 7
 feet 9 inches, this fits nicely into a 4X8 sheet.  I have an idea of just
 making a strip of wood and somehow mounting a jig saw on one end of it.
 Then driving a nail through the pivot point exactly 3 feet 10.5 inches
 from the near side of the saw blade and then driving the nail into the
 sheet somewhere pretty close to dead center near one long edge of the
 sheet.

 Since I don't have a jig saw at the moment I am not sure how easy it will
 be to mount the shoe of the saw to a strip of wood.  Is this the way to do
 this?

 Thanks.


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Install Joist Hangers for a Deck

2006-08-15 Thread Dan Rossi
Yes, the building code stated where possible you should penetrate the rim 
joist of the house with the bolt.  So, yep, I'm going through brick, air, 
2X something hard, and into the joist bay in the basement.

I was actually worried when I was trying to do half the ledger on the 
brick and half on the foundation that I would have to go all the way 
through the damn foundation and put 4X4 / 1/4 inch steel plate on the 
inside.  This was also a requirement.

This all sounds quite restrictive but the deal is it is only this bad if 
you aren't getting an architect to sign off and if you are doing the work 
yourself.  If I had an architect, or was having a contractor do the work, 
I could have gotten away with more.

I think next time I might just forget to visit the building office.

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[BlindHandyMan] How to Cut Styrofoam

2006-08-15 Thread Boyce, Ray
Hi
If you cut Styrofoam incorrectly, the plastic foam may crumble or break in the 
wrong spots. Try these cutting methods the next time you work with a piece
of Styrofoam.
   
Steps:
1.
Use a waxed serrated knife, saw, floral knife or other craft knife to cut 
Styrofoam sheets and shapes. Draw the knife's blade over a plain candle to wax
it thoroughly and then cut Styrofoam with long, sawlike motions.
  
2.
Score a Styrofoam sheet along the desired cutting line. Use a butter knife, 
credit card or any thin, sharp-edged item to make cuts at intervals along the
cutting line. Penetrate the entire thickness of the foam. Gently break the 
sheet over a countertop or table and use a knife to cut off any excess foam.
  
3.
Invest in a hot-wire Styrofoam cutter if you work with Styrofoam on a regular 
basis. These are devices that use a heated wire to slice through the Styrofoam.
Detailed shapes can be cut easily with these tools.
  
4.
Cut Styrofoam for small craft projects with an inexpensive ($50) cutter. This 
type is ideal for home crafting and is available at both online and local
craft stores.
  
5.
Consider a larger, more durable Styrofoam cutter if you do a lot of projects 
that involve large amounts of Styrofoam. These are more expensive than the
smaller, craft model but are well worth the price if you use it on a regular 
basis. This tool starts at approximately $200.
   
Tips:
 
Use a small piece of Styrofoam to smooth the rough edges on another piece of 
Styrofoam. Rub area until rough edges disappear.
   
 
You can cut styrofoam very easily by just using an electric knife.
   

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[BlindHandyMan] building or purchasing tactile VU meter

2006-08-15 Thread Armando Del Gobbo




To: Pc-audio@pc-audio.org
From: Kevin Doucet [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi list,

I am sending this to the list as some may be interested in purchasing
the Tactile VU Meter.  It is a device about the size of a pack of
smokes. You can calibrate it to vibrate when the signal fed to it
exceeds a set point, thus alerting, tactually, when a desired level is 
reached.

Mention is made of a schematic one can use to make their own if one
wants. This person is willing to manufacture several if desired. The
price will be determined by the number of units to make. Please read
below and familiarize your self with the email's he and I traded on this 
topic.

(snip)

I enquired about a product called the Tactile VU Meter.
Below is the series of emails between myself and Robert Armstrong,
who is the person offering to make them.


(snip)


To whom it may concern,
I belong to a group of blind musicians and am contacting you to learn
how individuals
of our group may purchase the Tactile VU Meter.
Please email me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   to let me know.
Thanks for your time and help.
Kevin Doucet


(snip)



From: Robert Armstrong
Subject: RE: Tactile VU Meter!
I'm sorry to say that we don't really manufacture the tactile VU
meter.  In four
or five years I think we've only made three or four, and that's
counting the first
one that I made for my wife.  Depending on how many you want, there
are a couple
of options
* If you want just one or two, then I'm willing to make them for
you in my spare
time, but it might take a few months.  If you have a friend who can
build one, or
if you can do it yourself (don't laugh - I know blind people who can
solder!) then
you're always welcome to assemble your own using the schematic and
information on
the web page.
* If you want a bunch, where a bunch is ten, twenty, or more,
then we can talk
about a special manufacturing run.  We could even talk about
designing a new one
- frankly, if I was going to do it again I'd do a lot of things 
differently.
Bob Armstrong



(snip)


From: Kevin Doucet
Subject: RE: Tactile VU Meter!
Hi Bob,
Do I have your permission to share this with the emailing list I
belong to of blind
musicians? You could get good feedback on features.
Kevin Doucet


(snip)



Sure, absolutely.  The more people who get together to buy one,
the better deal
we can get.
Bob


Kevin Doucet


(snip)

If any one wants to be included on a list so we will know the number
of units to be manufactured, please contact me, off list, and give
me your name and email address in the body of the message and I will
add you to the list.


If any one wants to contact Robert Armstrong with input on a design
or feature set, he can be contacted at;

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Thanks.

Kevin Doucet
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Install Joist Hangers for a Deck

2006-08-15 Thread Dale Leavens
Oh I understand now , I never thought of nailing sideways like that, more on 
a diagonal something like toenailing. Gives a lot more meet to pound the 
nails into and drives the joist tight to the rim or ledger.

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- Original Message - 
From: Loren buntemeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Blind Handyman blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Install Joist Hangers for a Deck


 Well, I will explain why it is easier to install the brackets to the joist
 first.  Especially, doing it yourself.  If you have the brackets on the
 ledger board, have the joist in position, and try to nail the joist to the
 bracket, the joist is not solid and wants to move around easily.  You 
 spend
 your time and strength trying to hold the board your nailing.  The 
 brackets
 are also not very strong with sideways hammering pressure.

 If you nail the brackets on the joist ends first, you can place them on a
 solid surface making it easier to hammer.  You can sit on the ground
 if you like.  The deck I built was one story high, so I set one end of the
 joist on the already built beam and held the joist with a bracket on my
 shoulder at the
 ledger board.  Line up the top or floor edge of the joist and start a nail
 into the solid ledger.  Use a square for the first joist making it square
 with your ledger board and checking your height.
 As the joist are never the same width, Doing it this way will allow you to
 make all top edges even for your floor.  As I continue down the line
 nailing, I use a square cut spacer with a 2 by 4 screwed on top that hangs
 on the floor joist.  This gives me the right spacing and all I have to do 
 is
 adjust the height of the joist before nailing.
 Nailing to the ledger last, gives you another solid base and gives you a
 full swing with your hammer.  If you nail from the side, you only have 
 14.5
 inches for your hammer.

 Hope this was clear.

 Loren

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 Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 6:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Install Joist Hangers for a Deck


 Believe me, it is much easier to attach the hangers to the ledger first 
 and
 then just drop the joist into the hanger. To align them to the top of the
 ledger board it is helpful to use a short scrap of the correct dimension,
 that is to say a three or four inch length of 2 by 8 or 2 by 10 or what 
 ever
 you are using for joists.

 The best way of course is to instal the hangers on the ledger before you
 mount the ledger to the wall. I think that Dan has already made his 
 mounting
 holes though so he may not be able to instal all of the hangers before
 mounting the ledger.

 by the way Dan, there are double joist hangers just in case you didn't 
 know
 that.

 The last time I built a deck was before hangers were commonly available. I
 assembled the joist structure on the ground by nailing through the rim 
 joist
 then wrestled the beggar into place. I did not attach that one to the
 building though.

 When I built this addition I nailed the joists into place through the
 hangers and into the rim by directing the nails in on an angle. The 
 thought
 was that this would help drive the joist end snug to the rim and hold it
 there. By nailing from both sides the spreading direction would
 theoretically make removal more difficult. Don't know why that should 
 matter
 really but it seemed like a good idea at the time.


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 - Original Message - 
 From: Loren buntemeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:21 PM
 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Install Joist Hangers for a Deck


I would install the joist hangers on the joist before the ledger.  It is
 hard nailing a bracket to a joist in mid air.  When you nail the bracket
 to
 the ledger it's solid.  This also allows you to make the floor edge of 
 the
 joist all even
 with a tight string line.
 Loren
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 From: Dale Leavens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Install Joist Hangers for a Deck


 For the blind I recommend measuring and cutting some spacers. They should
 be
 clearly identified so sighted people and blind ones too don't throw them
 away.

 These spacers should be cut the length of the distance between joists on
 16
 inch centers. In theory this should be 14 and a half inches but in my
 experience it is usually closer to 14 and a quarter. When using joist
 hangers it may be necessary to allow a little for them too and I have
 found
 it useful to 

Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Install Joist Hangers for a Deck

2006-08-15 Thread Art Rizzino
Hello Dan,
You wrote
The center joist will actually be two 2X8s nailed together with a 2X6
screwed down along the top.

Why not use screws for the entire center joist construction?

Why not use screws for the entire construction project?

Another thought I have you might already know about doing.  When you put
your two 2X8s together you could sandwich a piece of 1/2 exterior plywood
between them to add strength.

Art
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To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Install Joist Hangers for a Deck


 Dale,

 all good tips.  I've already thought of most of them but need to implement
 them.  I like the idea of the extra 2X4 on the spacer to be able to hang
 it off the ledger.

 Since I am laying the deck boards on a 45 I decided to go with 12 inch
 centers rather than 16.  It is overkill but I figured what the hell, it is
 only more work.

 I worry about using a spacer and getting drift in the joists.  The ledger
 is nearly 18 feet long and if you are off by even a sixteenth on your
 spacer you could be off by an inch by the time you get to the end.

 I am planning on laying a doubled center joist first then working out from
 there.  The center joist will actually be two 2X8s nailed together with a
 2X6 screwed down along the top.  I will have to align it carefully as it
 will be a bit less deep than a 2X10.  I am going to basket weave the deck
 boards along the center line so it will be nice to have that 2X6 on the
 center line to work with.  The basket weave has the nice advantage that
 you don't have to cut any 45s for half the boards on the deck.  Where they
 meet at the center you leave squared off, then you can let the outer end
 run wild over the first and last joists then go back and trim them flush
 to the joist.  From what people say, it leaves a nice zigzag pattern down
 the centerline.  Although, to dress it up you need to rout the board ends
 at the center line to match the round-over along the board edges.

 Thanks for the tips and I am sure I'll be pinging you as I get deeper into
 the construction.

 One absolutely great thing here is that I've got guys like you and Breeze
 who are blind and have done this kind of thing so you can give me advice
 that will really work for a blink.

 Thanks.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Cutting a curve

2006-08-15 Thread Dale Leavens
I am not sure I understand how the deck boards will hide the hardware. Do 
you plan on bending them or do you plan on attaching short vertical lengths 
to dress up the edge?

If the latter then why not create two arcs to fit into the ends of the 
joists and just use them to attach the decorative vertical pieces.

If you intend to bend a 1 by 10 even with a few kerf cuts I suggest you pull 
it in stages over several days. Apply wet towels or something over the 
stretching surface to help swell the wood as you bend it. A radius even that 
big is a challenge for a 1 by.

What size are your decking boards? I am assuming two by stock, anything 
thinner won't be adequate. I have seen one inch but it is inadequate and 
even if permitted will prove to be unsatisfactory I am sure.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Cutting a curve


 Thanks guys,

 Yes, a router is probably the better way to go.  I was thinking that 3/4
 inch ply was a lot to ask my router to plow through, but the multiple
 passes solves that problem.

 Why do I need a curve that big?

 You have obviously forgotten that I am insane, or possibly stupid.  I,
 with no real experience with cool wood working concepts, am going to
 attempt to round the corners of my deck.  I chose a four foot radius as I
 figured that was a loose enough curve and if I can't pull it off, I can
 just turn it into 45 degree corners.

 The plan is to cut a curve 4 feet less 1.5 inches, then shorten up by 3.5
 inches and cut another curve.  That essentially gives me a curved 1X4.
 Cut two of them and glue and screw'em together and I've got a curved 2X4.
 This will be screwed to the underside of the last couple of joists out at
 the corner of the deck.  I will probably attempt to rabbit the ends of
 those joists so that the curved 2X4 is flush with the bottoms of the
 joists.

 I will then kerf cut a couple of 1X10s, and bend them around that curve.

 Couple of things:

 There will actually be a third 1X8 that will be longer than the curve so
 that it will be attached to the inside curve and to the rim joists at
 either end.

 I may use 1X6s trim one to 1X4 then build the curved joist with 1X4 1X6 on
 the inside and 1X6 1X4 on the outside to offset the seem.  Only thought of
 this as the 1X10s looked pretty twisted.

 I am not concerned on how ugly the seems or extra screws or bolts will
 look as I plan on hiding that by running a couple of deck boards around
 the rim joist to cover all the hardware.

 Don't even ask me about the crazy ideas I have for curving the railings.
 Some of it includes steel plates dadoed into the 2Xs which will bbe cut
 into wedges then curved off.

 Here is an interesting bit of geometry that I didn't pick up at first.  If
 you imagine your quarter circle with radius 4 feet.  Let's picture it as
 the upper right corner of the circle, from noon to 3:00 on the clock.  The
 beam for the deck is 2 feet behind the outer edge of the deck, IE a 2 foot
 cantilever.  The beam is then parallel to the center to 3:00 position and
 two feet in front of it.  As you swing a radius from noon back toward 3:00
 when the radius has moved back 2 feet, it has actually moved to the right
 3.46 feet.  So, the curved joist touches the leading edge of the beam only
 about 6.5 inches to the left of the outside edge of the deck.  I thought
 it would be more.  And, as the beam and post is 5.5 inches front to back,
 the curve leaves the post/beam a bit under 5 inches to the left of the
 outer most edge.

 Like I said, when I can't make any of this work, I'll just truncate the
 corners and make them flat 45s.

 Believe it or not, I am actually home, but working.  Nope not wood
 working, working working.  The god almighty buck rules always.  GAG!


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[BlindHandyMan] Deck Versus Baby

2006-08-15 Thread Victor Gouveia
Carla Advised:

Next time you get that feeling of 
wanting to make something of your own, have a baby.

***

Only problem with that is that the baby might turn out just like me, and while 
you can always trash the deck if you screw it up, I'm not so easy to get rid of.

Just ask Dan, he knows, and let's not forget Bob, he's still complaining about 
the wax ring I put on his toilet seat, and I wasn't even installing a toilet...

Sheesh!!!

Victor Gouveia

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Note to moderator

2006-08-15 Thread Don
HI you can either send information to me the list owner, are to Dave.  
My E-mail address is 

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[BlindHandyMan] New Tool Review, Tile Cutting Saw

2006-08-15 Thread Boyce, Ray
Hi
GMC LSTSAW Laser Tile Cutting Saw
Review

So you've made more than a hundred woodworking projects, spent endless
hours in the workshop, and now its time to renovate the bathroom,
kitchen or laundry
area and your significant other wants you to do it!

Tiling may not be your specialty, but if you need to cut tiles to fit an
edge or to work around an immovable object, a powered tile cutter will
make life
a little easier!

Today we are taking a look at the GMC Tile Cutter, which is another tool
from the GMC range fitted out with their Redeye laser feature. Let's
take a closer
look...

Out of the Box
The GMC LSTSAW Laser Tile Cutting saw ships mostly assembled. All you
really need to do is attach the laser mount arm to the saw, add the
fence, and install
the supplied batteries into the laser's battery compartment. Certainly
one of the more simpler and quicker out-of-the-box setups we have
encountered lately
I must say!

There is the normal high-quality, color-printed manual supplied with the
tile saw, as with most GMC products now, as well as standard warranty
card and
registration information. Everything was in tip-top condition once
assembled - no dints or dings to be seen.

Specifications
Below are the listed specifications as per the manual for this tool:

Power: 650W
Speed: 2950 RPM
Blade Size: 180mm Diamond Blade
Bore Size: 15.88mm (5/8)
Bevel Capacity: 0 to 45 degrees
Maximum Cutting Depth at 90 deg: 35mm
Maximum Cutting Depth at 45 deg: 21mm
Table Size: 420mm x 360mm
Laser Class: 2
Laser Output: 1mW
Batteries: 2 x AAA

Features  Function
The first feature you may notice once you have this tool out of the box
and are ready to move it to its place of use is the integrated tool
handle. Located
on the left side of the tool (when standing in front of it) the flip up
handle allows you to carry the tool around very easily and conveniently.
The weight
of the tool seems pretty well centered under the handle, so there is
little strain when lugging the tool around.

The motor offers 650W output. For tile cutting this is plenty. Most
tiles have a similar thickness and few ceramic tiles measure more than a
quarter or
third of an inch thick (except from some specialty tiles) so 650W of
power is more than enough to complete regular tile cutting tasks with
ease. I haven't
been able to bog the saw down yet during a regular tile cut. The motor
is also of the induction type. It is very quiet when switched on and no
ear protection
will be needed. Once you start cutting a tile however, the noise level
jumps up a little. This is not the saw itself becoming noisier, but
simply the noise
the tile makes as it is being sliced by the diamond blade.

The saw uses a standard, non-segmented 180mm diamond edged cutting
blade. The bore size is listed at 15.88mm, which is 5/8. Finding
replacement blades
shouldn't be terribly difficult if you search a big box hardware store,
or from tile retailers that also sell cutting gear (many do). A quality
tile cutting
blade will last for quite a long time if used only to cut common tile
materials. A plastic blade guard protects the user from accidentally
striking a spinning
blade causing injury. Personally, I found the blade guard was a little
flimsy, but when set properly, it performs the task it is designed to do
and doesn't
really move when the saw is turned on and cutting is in progress, so who
I am to criticize! Its light weight probably contributes to the saw's
easy portability,
so my back certainly is thankful for that.

The next main feature is the table itself. It can tilt to the right to
45 degrees if you have a need to make a beveled tile cut. As most tile
cuts will
likely be made at the square 90 degree setting, I didn't really find
much use for the tilting table function but at least the function is
there if and
when you do need it. A small knob on the front of the unit releases the
table allowing you to tilt it to 45 degrees. The small etched scale and
arrow marking
system approximates the bevel angle. It's crude but more than sufficient
for tiling cuts, where accuracy to less than a single degree is rarely
required,
if at all.

The scale on the table itself provides a method by which a distance from
the blade can be calculated to set the fence. It measures a little over
8 inches
left of the blade, and 4 inches right of the blade, with a central 0
setting in line with the blade's projected kerf cut line. The scale is
found front
and back on the table as the fence is a dual clamp system and not self
aligning, so to get a square cut, you need to set the fence at the same
measurement
front and back.

The fence itself is of aluminum box construction. It is fairly rigid
when locked down. You can flex it a little, but only with excessive
pressure you wouldn't
normally be applying pushing a tile against it, so it is really a moot
point. Under normal use, there is no visible flex and tile cuts remain
parallel
front to back. As mentioned above, the fence uses a basic front/back
clamping 

RE: [BlindHandyMan] How to Milk a Cow

2006-08-15 Thread Sheila Enerson
Hi, I'm Sheila, just getting back into the list again.

I remember when Mom had to feed the calves when Dad went on vacation once.
She ended up riding on their backs because they wanted the milk so badly.

Sheila



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On Behalf Of Shawn Keen
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 10:48 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Milk a Cow


H, I wonder if they train guide cows?  All this hot weather we've been 
having ya could just stop, sit down on the side of the road and milk your 
cow!


- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Milk a Cow


 And watch for the tail as the cow swats flies.  Also, have clean
 hands.  I used to milk Holstein's a little when I was young.  When
 they would shift their weight from foot to foot, I thought the cow
 was going to go over the top of me.

 earlier, Ray Boyce, wrote:
Hi
A pail, short stool, two hands and a very gentle milk cow are all you need
to enjoy fresh milk every day. Once you start milking your cow, she will
have
to be milked twice a day every day until you let her dry up.

Steps:
1.
Milk at the same time daily.

2.
Sit on the same side of the cow each day. This will help your cow feel 
more
comfortable - cows like routine.

3.
Place cow in a stanchion if this makes you feel more at ease. If your cow 
is
an old hand at being milked, this probably won't be necessary. Ask the
farmer
you purchased her from what her routine was with the farmer.

4.
Place stool at a right angle to the cow and sit with your head resting on
her flank.

5.
Wash udder with warm water and clean cloth.

6.
Place pail under teats.

7.
Take a teat into the palm of your hand.

8.
Squeeze teat at top with thumb and forefinger. Continue squeezing each
finger around teat, forcing milk in a stream until all fingers are around
teat.

9.
Release teat.

10.
Repeat until only a small amount of milk comes out and the udder is soft 
to
the touch.

Tips:

If you milk your cow regularly and maintain a good feeding program, your 
cow
can give you milk for up to 10 months.


Warnings:

Remember that even the nicest cow can kick, so always be aware of this. If
you are nervous or too rough with her, this will cause problems.


Know your cow by Judd Shearer
If you start milking by just sitting down and pulling, nothing will 
happen.
It is safer for you and the cow if you know everything you can about the 
cow
first. Start by daily grooming. Brushing and scratching her will make her
feel better around you, and you around her. You do not need to rush, you
will
be spending an average of 10 hours a week with your cow from feeding,
cleaning and milking. Make sure you like cows. If you do not like the 
smell,
look
or feel, then maybe you should not be milking. Clean the utter and teats
with warm soapy water. Again, take your time. Remember, you will be 
drinking
what
falls into your bucket, so it is best to make sure nothing but milk falls
into your bucket! From my experience, it does not matter what side you 
milk
on.
I have milked on the right and on the left. Look over your barn and decide
where the safest place will be to milk. Pick a area where there is a wall
and
do the milking on the other side. Your cow will not care. Make sure,
whatever you do, you do the same thing every day. Cows like having the 
same
events,
and they will adjust to what you want. Do not let them make you do 
something
their way. Here is a good routine to follow:
Enter the barn. Get the grain ready. Tie the cow where you are going to be
doing the milking. Brush the cow. Give her the grain and start cleaning 
her
teats.
Start milking slowly at first, then pick up speed. When you are done, 
untie
her and lead her out of the milking area. This simple way will help her 
know
what to expect and how to react. Even the most difficult cow is able to
change. Never punish your cow with pain. They remember forever and they 
will
get
even.

If you are just starting milking all you need is:
Stainless steal bucket, plastic bucket for cleaning, bleach, soap, steal
toed boots, a cooler to get the milk cold, a large pot if you want to
pasteurize
your milk and a cow. I hope your first time is a good time.




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RE: [BlindHandyMan] What to Look for When Buying a Storage Shed.

2006-08-15 Thread Sheila Enerson
A friend of mine installed rollers under the corners of a shed, used a
come-along to roll it into a horse trailor, and drove it from one house to
another.

Sheila



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On Behalf Of Boyce, Ray
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:11 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] What to Look for When Buying a Storage Shed.

Hi
For people without a garage or basement to store their garden necessities, a
prefabricated shed can be a lifesaver. Sheds and shed kits for every budget
are available at home and garden centers, and online at sites such as
Gardensheds.com. Choose a size and material that works with your space, and
you can
keep your tools, bags of soil, lawn mower and assorted junk out of sight and
safe from the elements.
   
Steps:
1.
Decide how much storage space you need. A lean-to shed 6 feet (1.8 m) long
and 3 to 4 feet (.9 to 1.2 m) wide is big enough for tools and might cost a
few
hundred dollars. If you'll be storing a lawn mower and more, look for a
freestanding shed measuring 6 by 8 feet (1.8 by 2.4 m), which will cost
$1,000
or more.
  
2.
Consider the material not only for looks but for what you need to store.
Cedar siding is long lasting, readily available and weathers to a gray
color, or
you can paint or stain it with wood preservative to keep it brown. Vinyl
siding that looks like wood is a less expensive and even longer-lasting
alternative.
Metal sheds heat up quickly to high temperatures in the summer, so they're
not recommended for storing gasoline or other volatile liquids and
fertilizers.
  
3.
Make sure the entrance is wide enough to get a cart, wheelbarrow and other
equipment comfortably through the door-- say, 3 feet (.9 m).
  
4.
Choose a combination greenhouse and storage shed to maximize the pace. One
measuring 8 by 10 feet (2.4 by 3 m) can accommodate both tools and plants,
with
special shelves for setting seedlings out.
  
5.
Take advantage of features to help you work: windows and skylights for
natural light, benches for work space, ramps for easier wheeled entry.
  
6.
Visualize how the shed will look in your yard. Even a small one can seem
large. Landscaping around it with shrubs and trees can make it blend into
the garden.
   
Overall Tips:
 
Do-it-yourselfers can pick up a shed kit or buy plans and build one on their
own.
   
If you're willing to pay twice the money for the convenience, you can have a
prebuilt shed delivered and installed by one of the large home-improvement
stores.
   
Consider turning your shed into a potting room come springtime. You can pot
up seedlings or sit down with a cup of coffee while you plan your next
harvest.
   
 
 What to look for:
 
Appropriate size
 
Type of material
 
Special features

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] How to Make a Compost Bin from a Garbage Can

2006-08-15 Thread Boyce, Ray
Hi Sheila 
I do not think so what you need is something with size enclosed so you
can make and move around and make composting worth while also air
movement within the mixture is important.
I guess you could start off small and see how the process works but here
I think size is important.

Regards
Ray

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Sent: Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:02
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Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] How to Make a Compost Bin from a Garbage
Can

Could I use a plastic ice cream bucket?

Sheila



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Subject: [BlindHandyMan] How to Make a Compost Bin from a Garbage Can

Hi
Compost is nothing more than decomposed plant material, so you don't
need a fancy bin to make your own compost. You can create compost in a
heap on the ground, but most gardeners think that containing your
compost pile makes it look tidier. Here's how to make compost in a
recycled garbage can.
   
Steps:
1.
Punch holes in a garbage can. The microbes that actually do the
composting need oxygen to do their work.
  
2.
Chop plant debris into small pieces and place them inside the garbage
can.
Ideally, you should use 50 percent green material and 50 percent dry,
but you can use shredded newspaper for the dry material if necessary.
You don't need to fill the can all at one time - just put in the plant
material you have on hand.
  
3.
Spray water over the chopped plant material inside the can, until the
material is damp but not soggy.
  
4.
Put the lid on the can.
  
5.
Place the filled garbage can on bricks or several 2-by-4-inch pieces of
lumber to keep the can off the ground and prevent it from rusting.
  
6.
Turn the can as often as daily, or at least once a week. Lay the can on
its side and roll it around to mix the plant material inside.
  
7.
Add more plant material at any time.
  
8.
Keep the compost about as moist as a wrung-out sponge by spraying it
with water when the plant material begins to feel dry.
  
9.
Harvest your compost after one month. Use a wire screen or piece of
chicken wire to strain out the unfinished compost.
   
Tips:
 
Compost can be used to top-dress garden beds or as potting soil for
indoor plants.
   
Once the plant material inside the can is no longer warm to the touch,
the composting process is finished.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] How to Make a Compost Bin from a Garbage Can

2006-08-15 Thread Dale Leavens
You could of course use an ice-cream bucket but it would be pretty small.

We have a friend who packages kitchen vegetable debris in those new 
biodegradable plastic type bags and just buries them in the ground.

Three or four years ago I built a sort of log house just a little over four 
feet square notching the logs just deep enough to leave about three quarters 
of an inch between them for air flow. I made a sloped gable and a hinged 
plywood top to make loading it easy and a raising door at one side so I can 
fork out compost from the bottom. Usually I just leave the top open so there 
is enough moisture from the rain though occasionally I do have to spray a 
little in with the hose. From time-to-time I fork it over just to make sure 
there is enough air and to spread the hot cooking stuff around the less 
active stuff. It looks like this cute little log cabin at the bottom corner 
of my garden a little over four feet square and just under five feet to the 
top of the roof.

Just now ai don't have a grass catcher on my mower but while we were on 
holidays the kid across the lane cut the grass and threw it in, good green 
stuff to get things really hot. I grind up other garden debris too including 
hedge trimming and in the fall, all the annual and perennial material and 
rose bush pruning and of course I push bags of fallen leaves through the 
shredder and add them. Most of that doesn't cook much until the spring but 
before I put my gardens to bed for the winter I will have about a yard of 
wonderful rich soil to add. You wouldn't believe what it has done for my 
lilly gardens this year. Hundreds of huge plants and the fragrance is 
divine!

I generally just leave my garden fork sticking into the pile, you wouldn't 
believe how hot it can get sometimes, I can hardly handle the tines.

I should have a piece of perforated pipe down the middle to permit more air 
into the middle of the pile it would work better.


Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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From: Sheila Enerson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:02 PM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] How to Make a Compost Bin from a Garbage Can


 Could I use a plastic ice cream bucket?

 Sheila



 -Original Message-
 From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Boyce, Ray
 Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 4:09 PM
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [BlindHandyMan] How to Make a Compost Bin from a Garbage Can

 Hi
 Compost is nothing more than decomposed plant material, so you don't need 
 a
 fancy bin to make your own compost. You can create compost in a heap on 
 the
 ground, but most gardeners think that containing your compost pile makes 
 it
 look tidier. Here's how to make compost in a recycled garbage can.

 Steps:
 1.
 Punch holes in a garbage can. The microbes that actually do the composting
 need oxygen to do their work.

 2.
 Chop plant debris into small pieces and place them inside the garbage can.
 Ideally, you should use 50 percent green material and 50 percent dry, but
 you
 can use shredded newspaper for the dry material if necessary. You don't 
 need
 to fill the can all at one time - just put in the plant material you have
 on hand.

 3.
 Spray water over the chopped plant material inside the can, until the
 material is damp but not soggy.

 4.
 Put the lid on the can.

 5.
 Place the filled garbage can on bricks or several 2-by-4-inch pieces of
 lumber to keep the can off the ground and prevent it from rusting.

 6.
 Turn the can as often as daily, or at least once a week. Lay the can on 
 its
 side and roll it around to mix the plant material inside.

 7.
 Add more plant material at any time.

 8.
 Keep the compost about as moist as a wrung-out sponge by spraying it with
 water when the plant material begins to feel dry.

 9.
 Harvest your compost after one month. Use a wire screen or piece of 
 chicken
 wire to strain out the unfinished compost.

 Tips:

 Compost can be used to top-dress garden beds or as potting soil for indoor
 plants.

 Once the plant material inside the can is no longer warm to the touch, the
 composting process is finished.

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