[BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood

2006-08-22 Thread William Stephan
I've decided I just have to build a small but sturdy table in my basement, 
measuring 36 x24 x 42 high.  I'm going to make the thing entirely out of 2 x 
4s.  I can measure accurately  up to 36 inches. I have a tape measure, but I 
tend to use it for rough estimates, not for measuring where accuracy is a 
concern.  
I
 can get the lumber yard to cut a 48  42 inch 2 x 4 that I could use as a 
guide, but I thought I'd ask if any of you had a better suggestion or knew of 
an accurate measuring device that could handle those kind of lengths that 
wouldn't break the bank.

Thanks in advance.


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood

2006-08-22 Thread William Stephan
John, thanks.  I have one of these as well as one of the telescopic rulers that 
click at the 1/16.  For some reason known only to the manufacturer of these, 
the extension rods for the two rulers are not interchangeable.  So, three feet 
is the max I can get.  I guess I can mark and measure, but I'm a bit concerned 
about accuracy.


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


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Sent: 8/22/06 1:30:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood

Bill, I use rotomatics.  They start with a 6-inch ruler that is 
marked every 1/2 inch with a thread of the 3/8, 16, rod.  One turn of 
the marked nut is 1/16th of an inch.  A regular nut is also on the 
rod to lock the marked nut in place.  One can add any of 
extensions.  These come in lengths of 6, 12 and 18 inches.


earlier, William Stephan, wrote:
I've decided I just have to build a small but sturdy table in my 
basement, measuring 36 x24 x 42 high.  I'm going to make the thing 
entirely out of 2 x 4s.  I can measure accurately  up to 36 inches. 
I have a tape measure, but I tend to use it for rough estimates, not 
for measuring where accuracy is a concern.
I
  can get the lumber yard to cut a 48  42 inch 2 x 4 that I could 
 use as a guide, but I thought I'd ask if any of you had a better 
 suggestion or knew of an accurate measuring device that could 
 handle those kind of lengths that wouldn't break the bank.

Thanks in advance.


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood

2006-08-23 Thread William Stephan
Dale, thanks, I have the same rotary rule, it's just 
That you can add and apparently, I cannot.  
You're right that absolute accuracy isn't critical, it's just that I was 
concerned with compounding errors, which I have done in some past 
furniture-building exploits I won't talk about.  
This is a work table 
Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
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From: Dale Leavens[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 8/22/06 5:47:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood

For my basement which has a floor drain five inches lower than the floor at the 
walls, so I guess really, if I can set a drink on the table without it 
spilling, I'm probably OK.
Again, thanks for the enlightenment and the arithmetic too.

Again thanks for theJust how important is it to have all of your measurements 
absolutely 
accurate?

The rotary rule I have came with an 18, a 12 and a 6 inch extension which, 
when all put together is an over all length of 42.5 inches.

If you can accept some variance in height your tape measure may well be 
accurate enough, is 42 and an eighth or 41 and 15 16th too far off? If so 
another way I have often used is to tap a small brad at the end of one 
measure and use the near edge of it as the starting point for the rest of 
the desired length. Once you have your first 42 inch leg it isn't much 
trouble to get three more the same, it is best to keep track of the original 
though for the subsequent cuts just so you don't accumulate errors. If 36 is 
the most accurate you can achieve then cut that and add your measuring 
device to that to achieve what you want or even begin at 24.

Remember too that a carpenter's square will have a 24 inch leg and a 16 inch 
leg, the 24 inch leg is 2 inches wide while the 17 inch leg is an inch and a 
half. This is a tool many will have around and can help.

If absolute accuracy is essential don't forget to begin by trimming off an 
end precisely, you can't depend on factory ends.

I have many times lost measuring sticks of convenience but a more organized 
man than I might make up a set of 2, 4 6 and 8 foot sticks and mark and hang 
them ready to hand for exactly this sort of requirement. Fastidious folk 
like Tom Foule would probably have them machined from stainless!

Hope this gives you some useful ideas.

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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:22 AM
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood


 I've decided I just have to build a small but sturdy table in my basement, 
 measuring 36 x24 x 42 high.  I'm going to make the thing entirely out of 2 
 x 4s.  I can measure accurately  up to 36 inches. I have a tape measure, 
 but I tend to use it for rough estimates, not for measuring where accuracy 
 is a concern.
 I
 can get the lumber yard to cut a 48  42 inch 2 x 4 that I could use as a 
 guide, but I thought I'd ask if any of you had a better suggestion or knew 
 of an accurate measuring device that could handle those kind of lengths 
 that wouldn't break the bank.

 Thanks in advance.


 Bill Stephan
 Kansas City, MO
 (816)803-2469
 William Stephan



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood

2006-08-23 Thread William Stephan
Another good idea, thanks.


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood

a metal t-square. Mark with a scribe, (with sighted help if necessary, 
really it helps) on the primary measurements, and eventually more deep 
scribings as you need them.
It's straight, it's metal it's big, and in a pinch you can use it for an 
electric saw guide.


On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, William Stephan wrote:

 I've decided I just have to build a small but sturdy table in my basement, 
 measuring 36 x24 x 42 high.  I'm going to make the thing entirely out of 2 x 
 4s.  I can measure accurately  up to 36 inches. I have a tape measure, but I 
 tend to use it for rough estimates, not for measuring where accuracy is a 
 concern.
 I
 can get the lumber yard to cut a 48  42 inch 2 x 4 that I could use as a 
 guide, but I thought I'd ask if any of you had a better suggestion or knew of 
 an accurate measuring device that could handle those kind of lengths that 
 wouldn't break the bank.

 Thanks in advance.


 Bill Stephan
 Kansas City, MO
 (816)803-2469
 William Stephan



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood

2006-08-23 Thread William Stephan
Sounds like 
A plan John, I'll give the lads at NFB a call.
Thanks.

Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


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Sent: 8/22/06 4:14:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood

Bill, for the rotomatics, more extensions can be ordered, separately.

earlier, William Stephan, wrote:
John, thanks.  I have one of these as well as one of the telescopic 
rulers that click at the 1/16.  For some reason known only to the 
manufacturer of these, the extension rods for the two rulers are not 
interchangeable.  So, three feet is the max I can get.  I guess I 
can mark and measure, but I'm a bit concerned about accuracy.


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


-Original Message-
From: John Schwery[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 8/22/06 1:30:31 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood

Bill, I use rotomatics.  They start with a 6-inch ruler that is
marked every 1/2 inch with a thread of the 3/8, 16, rod.  One turn of
the marked nut is 1/16th of an inch.  A regular nut is also on the
rod to lock the marked nut in place.  One can add any of
extensions.  These come in lengths of 6, 12 and 18 inches.


earlier, William Stephan, wrote:
 I've decided I just have to build a small but sturdy table in my
 basement, measuring 36 x24 x 42 high.  I'm going to make the thing
 entirely out of 2 x 4s.  I can measure accurately  up to 36 inches.
 I have a tape measure, but I tend to use it for rough estimates, not
 for measuring where accuracy is a concern.
 I
   can get the lumber yard to cut a 48  42 inch 2 x 4 that I could
  use as a guide, but I thought I'd ask if any of you had a better
  suggestion or knew of an accurate measuring device that could
  handle those kind of lengths that wouldn't break the bank.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 
 Bill Stephan
 Kansas City, MO
 (816)803-2469
 William Stephan
 
 
 
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood

2006-08-23 Thread William Stephan
Actually, this is just something I decided would be fun to do and useful as 
well.  It's just going to be a solid table with one shelf.  Probably it will 
also have a seldom-used dog crate stored underneath it, but it's mostly a work 
table.



Bill Stephan
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(816)803-2469
William Stephan


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how accurate does it need to be?
Will you be gluing?


On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, William Stephan wrote:

 John, thanks.  I have one of these as well as one of the telescopic rulers 
 that click at the 1/16.  For some reason known only to the manufacturer of 
 these, the extension rods for the two rulers are not interchangeable.  So, 
 three feet is the max I can get.  I guess I can mark and measure, but I'm a 
 bit concerned about accuracy.


 Bill Stephan
 Kansas City, MO
 (816)803-2469
 William Stephan


 -Original Message-
 From: John Schwery[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 8/22/06 1:30:31 PM
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood

 Bill, I use rotomatics.  They start with a 6-inch ruler that is
 marked every 1/2 inch with a thread of the 3/8, 16, rod.  One turn of
 the marked nut is 1/16th of an inch.  A regular nut is also on the
 rod to lock the marked nut in place.  One can add any of
 extensions.  These come in lengths of 6, 12 and 18 inches.


 earlier, William Stephan, wrote:
 I've decided I just have to build a small but sturdy table in my
 basement, measuring 36 x24 x 42 high.  I'm going to make the thing
 entirely out of 2 x 4s.  I can measure accurately  up to 36 inches.
 I have a tape measure, but I tend to use it for rough estimates, not
 for measuring where accuracy is a concern.
 I
  can get the lumber yard to cut a 48  42 inch 2 x 4 that I could
 use as a guide, but I thought I'd ask if any of you had a better
 suggestion or knew of an accurate measuring device that could
 handle those kind of lengths that wouldn't break the bank.

 Thanks in advance.


 Bill Stephan
 Kansas City, MO
 (816)803-2469
 William Stephan



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RE: [BlindHandyMan] compound miter say?

2006-08-23 Thread William Stephan
I'm currently trying to convince my wife that we absolutely must buy one of 
these saws also, so make and model info will be greatly appreciated here as 
well.


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
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William Stephan


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Hi, I am sorry if this has or will be coming along as a message again, 
but I can't seem to get my messages out for some reason.
Well, for my question, I am interested in purchasing a table compound 
miter saw and have never used one.  Can someone give some wisdom in 
looking for a good model for someone like us being blind.?  I would 
like to know how I would go about to setting the saw blade that is 
under the safety guard to cut at the correct location which I have 
marked.  Any info will be greatly appreciated.  Andy.






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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood

2006-08-23 Thread William Stephan
Thanks Ron, makes sense.


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood

I would suggest rough cutting the table top boards, a a little long,
assembling the top and making the final cut on the assembled top.  It is
very difficult to get multiple boards to fit exactly the same length without
a slight protrusion or recess where they are next to each other..  Cutting
after assembly makes sure of smooth stransitions from one board to the next.
and the final sanding smoothes it all up.
Ron
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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood


 I mean no offense, i just did something very similar with Maple 2x4. I am
 no carpenter. but I love my table.
 I measured, cut, glued, and sanded. A 1/16 difference can be sanded away,
 unless you are trying to fit it tight into a space, that's what I'd do.


 On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  how accurate does it need to be?
  Will you be gluing?
 
 
  On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, William Stephan wrote:
 
  John, thanks.  I have one of these as well as one of the telescopic
rulers that click at the 1/16.  For some reason known only to the
manufacturer of these, the extension rods for the two rulers are not
interchangeable.  So, three feet is the max I can get.  I guess I can mark
and measure, but I'm a bit concerned about accuracy.
 
 
  Bill Stephan
  Kansas City, MO
  (816)803-2469
  William Stephan
 
 
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  Sent: 8/22/06 1:30:31 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood
 
  Bill, I use rotomatics.  They start with a 6-inch ruler that is
  marked every 1/2 inch with a thread of the 3/8, 16, rod.  One turn of
  the marked nut is 1/16th of an inch.  A regular nut is also on the
  rod to lock the marked nut in place.  One can add any of
  extensions.  These come in lengths of 6, 12 and 18 inches.
 
 
  earlier, William Stephan, wrote:
  I've decided I just have to build a small but sturdy table in my
  basement, measuring 36 x24 x 42 high.  I'm going to make the thing
  entirely out of 2 x 4s.  I can measure accurately  up to 36 inches.
  I have a tape measure, but I tend to use it for rough estimates, not
  for measuring where accuracy is a concern.
  I
   can get the lumber yard to cut a 48  42 inch 2 x 4 that I could
  use as a guide, but I thought I'd ask if any of you had a better
  suggestion or knew of an accurate measuring device that could
  handle those kind of lengths that wouldn't break the bank.
 
  Thanks in advance.
 
 
  Bill Stephan
  Kansas City, MO
  (816)803-2469
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] 3 Compound Mitre Saw Reviews

2006-08-24 Thread William Stephan

Thanks Ray for digging this out.

Do you folks think there'd be any point in trying to find one of these without 
a laser, or are lasers not that expensive.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] compound miter say?

2006-08-24 Thread William Stephan
Dale, thanks, I'm saving this for when I actually go look at what's available.  
All good points.


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-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] compound miter say?

Hi Andy,

I have never had much luck cutting to a mark although there are some here 
who do apparently use an awl or other scratch tool to mark and cut, I find 
that even using a finger nail to locate the mark against a tool or jig is 
too inaccurate for me. I don't know how they make it work for them however I 
will tell you how I work.

My advice on buying a compound miter saw is first to buy the best you 
possibly can. They are getting better all the time of course, mine is a 10 
inch Makita sliding compound miter saw, these days they are as much as 14 
inches and with a slide they can cut a very wide board. New ones will tilt 
left or right for a bevel cut each way, this is not essential but if you get 
one be sure it has a positive stop at 90 degrees vertical and preferably at 
least one stop at 45 degrees to one or other side, preferably both.

My saw has a raised scale and pointer for setting the miter left and right 
but I find it difficult to use this exclusively to set precise angles, the 
pointer must line up very directly with the raised mark on the scale, a 
sighted person will stand in line with the two but my fingers, though they 
can get me close are usually off a degree or two when I actually make the 
cut. My saw though does have detent stops at 15, 30 and 45 degrees in both 
directions and of course at 0 degrees so those are very easy and convenient. 
Some now have other detent stops, you want as many as is reasonable or 
practical, stops will save you loads of time locating very accurately the 
most commonly using angles.

You will prefer a fairly high fence. It is very helpful to be able to lay 
one 2 by 4 of a known and desired length on top of another to duplicate it 
and it will be much easier to line them both up if the fence is high enough. 
Because of the depth available it is often very helpful to lay out two 
boards and cut them simultaneously by cutting through the double thickness 
which makes it easy to get two very exactly the same length and a fence high 
enough to do this will be satisfying.

The last thing that occurs to me is to get as long a bed as you can. This 
makes it easier to use. If you can get a purpose built stand with extensions 
to hold long pieces you may be able to attach blocks against which you can 
push a series of boards to cut many of exact length.

I have built a cabinet to hold my saw with a dust hutch behind to catch as 
much as I can. I had a pair of extensions but they were not to my 
satisfaction, I will try again some day to have extensions which I can raise 
into place with a back fence and block I can run out and lock into place for 
making several pieces of precise length. The old table I had built for house 
building is way too big, it now rests in the back lane where it may 
disappear any day but where I can still use it if I again need to cut 
lengths up to about 20 feet.

Most of these saws have at least one hold-down clamp, mine does, it can be 
located on either side of the saw, I should have had two, it gets a bit 
frustrating to move it though I don't often want it on the right side of the 
saw.

As for measuring, I lower the saw to the work and measure that way. Usually 
I am in a hurry so I find myself using my chin or forehead to hold the saw 
down while I measure with both hands. Pushing the saw down retracts the 
blade guard. The start requires a button to be held while the trigger is 
squeezed but probably one should take the additional safety measure of 
unplugging the saw when doing this.

Because I have this cabinet with three drawers for storing tools I also have 
an 18 inch or so bungie cord which I loop around the handle and hook to one 
of the drawer handles. This only just balances the spring which raises the 
saw so I can pull it down to the work and it pretty well stays where I leave 
it. I can then slide my measure to the end of the board and then slide the 
board until the blade just touches the measure. Double check that the work 
is snug against the fence then clamp the work down and remove the measure, 
release the cord so the saw rises then grab the trigger and make your cut.

Remember that the teeth of a carbide blade are a little thicker than the 
blade and the pitch of a conventional blade too is a little wider. This is 
only millimeters but it can make a difference.

If using a single piece as a measure for multiple pieces keep the first one 
as a master and use it as your standard. Small errors can compound and 
become significant. This is not just true for blind folk, I notice that the 
television cabinet makers do precisely the same thing

Re: [BlindHandyMan] handheld circ saws was Compound Miter Saws?

2006-08-24 Thread William Stephan
Any of you folks have experience with handheld circular saws? Aside from the 
obvious danger factor, is it possible to build a guide so straight cuts can be 
made with one?   

Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


-Original Message-
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To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Compound Miter Saws?

Andy, line up the edge of the blade with your mark so the blade won't 
cut away whatever you want to keep.  Dale asked which is more 
versatile, a table saw or miter saw.  I have never used a miter saw 
so I can't speak for those.  It seems that one can't rip too easily 
with a miter saw so I would think that would be one limitation for a 
miter saw.  So, in cross cutting, even though a miter saw may be more 
convenient, that is why I went with a portable table saw.  Also, I 
don't have much space so I needed a saw that would store in a small space.

earlier, Andy LaPointe, wrote:
Hi, I would like to purchase a table miter saw to cut various 
things.  I have never used one so, I would like to get everyone's 
opinion on how to use this
or maybe some file with different info in it that will help me make 
a good decision.
One question I have is how do I know where to place the piece to cut 
and know that the blade will cut along the marking that I made.  I 
am sorry for such
an elementary question but, this is probably the best place to 
ask.  I guess you don't ask a car salesman how to read 
braille.  Thank you for any time
you give me.  Andy.


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] handheld circ saws was Compound Miter Saws?

2006-08-24 Thread William Stephan
Thanks 
Tom, I think I need one of these until I get a miter saw.

Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
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-Original Message-
From: Tom Fowle[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 8/24/06 1:17:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] handheld circ saws was  Compound Miter Saws?

Bill,
Several types of guides have been bilt just a board tacked alongside where the
saw will travel is the simplist.
I did one that runs along a piece of aluminum angle you screw dwon
to the waiste side of the material, and it fitted into
the fence slots of a skill saw.
If you want to see the somewhat overly complex design i 
made up, see:
ftp.ski.org/Rehab/Fowle
the Smith-Kettlewell technical file's ftp site.
Look in contents.txt for 
The Smith-Kettlewell Straight Cut
and download the correct issue in text
or just grab the 
sktftxt.zip
file and you get the whole 40 plus issues full of gizmos.

Just be ccarefull and don't remove your hands from the handles
until the blade has entirely stopped turning.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood

2006-08-24 Thread William Stephan
Thanks Micky for the info.  If you have a source, or decide to make some of 
these yourself, I'd definitely be interested in a couple or three three-footers.

Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


-Original Message-
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Sent: 8/22/06 7:48:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood

William,

I use bot the Rotomatic and the click rule.  They are both extremely accurate 
with the Rotomatic being a bit more accurate.  They both have their advantages 
and disadvantages, but work quite well.  

It is too bad that the threads on the two devices aren't interchangeable from 
the factory.  The Rotamatic uses a 10-24 threat for the extensions and the 
Click Rule uses a 10-e32 thread.  I remove the set screws from the Click Rule 
extensions and rethread all of these holes to the 10-24 thread.  Then, I get 
some 10-24x 3/4 socket Head set screws and put a drop of blue Locktite on the 
set screw end that goes into the extension and screw it in.  This results in 
making all of the extensions interchangeable between the two devices.  I also 
make my own 3-foot long extensions to use with the tools.  I use 3/8 round 
aluminum bar stock and very accurately make the 36 long pieces.  Then, I drill 
and tap the ends with the 10-24 thread and add the socket head set screw in one 
end.  Any general purpose machine shop should be able to make these for you.  I 
may know of a source for 36 inch steel extensions that are designed with the 
10-24 thread for the Rotomatic, but I will have to che
 ck.  They were supposed to make them, but I'm not sure if they ever did.  I 
will post tomorrow, after I find out the answer to this question.

I have both steel and aluminum 36 extensions and they both work well.  I 
prefer the aluminum ones because of the weight difference, especially if I have 
the thing out to 9 feet or more.

If there was enough demand, I might consider making some aluminum 36 
extensions.  I have no idea how much I would have to charge.

Good Luck
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  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 2:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood


  John, thanks. I have one of these as well as one of the telescopic rulers 
that click at the 1/16. For some reason known only to the manufacturer of 
these, the extension rods for the two rulers are not interchangeable. So, three 
feet is the max I can get. I guess I can mark and measure, but I'm a bit 
concerned about accuracy.

  Bill Stephan
  Kansas City, MO
  (816)803-2469
  William Stephan

  -Original Message-
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  Sent: 8/22/06 1:30:31 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring wood

  Bill, I use rotomatics. They start with a 6-inch ruler that is 
  marked every 1/2 inch with a thread of the 3/8, 16, rod. One turn of 
  the marked nut is 1/16th of an inch. A regular nut is also on the 
  rod to lock the marked nut in place. One can add any of 
  extensions. These come in lengths of 6, 12 and 18 inches.

  earlier, William Stephan, wrote:
  I've decided I just have to build a small but sturdy table in my 
  basement, measuring 36 x24 x 42 high. I'm going to make the thing 
  entirely out of 2 x 4s. I can measure accurately up to 36 inches. 
  I have a tape measure, but I tend to use it for rough estimates, not 
  for measuring where accuracy is a concern.
  I
   can get the lumber yard to cut a 48  42 inch 2 x 4 that I could 
   use as a guide, but I thought I'd ask if any of you had a better 
   suggestion or knew of an accurate measuring device that could 
   handle those kind of lengths that wouldn't break the bank.
  
  Thanks in advance.
  
  
  Bill Stephan
  Kansas City, MO
  (816)803-2469
  William Stephan
  
  
  
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] re: hand held circular saw guide corrections

2006-08-25 Thread William Stephan
Tom, great article, definitely a keeper.


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


-Original Message-
From: Tom Fowle[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 8/24/06 2:39:40 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] re: hand held circular saw guide corrections

Getting sloppy in old age,
the guide article is, I think, actually, maybe, perhaps:
vol15no2.txt
using lynx browser I had to go to
ftp.ski.org
and drill down through the directories,
Pub
Rehab
Fowle

tom



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] handheld circ saws was Compound Miter Saws?

2006-08-25 Thread William Stephan
Thanks Ron, always good to have several options for doing this stuff.


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


-Original Message-
From: R  S Enterprises[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 8/24/06 4:51:25 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] handheld circ saws was  Compound Miter Saws?

The make a variety of guides the easiest being a 1 x 2 or 1 x 4 clamped down
with two c clamps and use the left hand to make sure the circular saws left
table edge runs tight against the guide board.  Working slow and carefully
you can make a straighter cut than pros using their eyes.  The secret is
keeping the saw tight against the guide.  If the cut is real long you should
be careful not to bend the board in the middle.  Note some people use angle
iron, alluminum strips etc.  I happen to have a two piece aluminum jig that
is two four foot plus sections that slide together to make it long enough to
rip a 8 foot sheet of plywood.. There is a slot built in underneath that two
clamps slide in.  There has been some times when I put a screw in the middle
to keep me from bending it by pushing the saw too hard against it.
Ron
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To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] handheld circ saws was Compound Miter Saws?


 Any of you folks have experience with handheld circular saws? Aside from
the obvious danger factor, is it possible to build a guide so straight cuts
can be made with one?

 Bill Stephan
 Kansas City, MO
 (816)803-2469
 William Stephan


 -Original Message-
 From: John Schwery[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 8/24/06 8:14:45 AM
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Compound Miter Saws?

 Andy, line up the edge of the blade with your mark so the blade won't
 cut away whatever you want to keep.  Dale asked which is more
 versatile, a table saw or miter saw.  I have never used a miter saw
 so I can't speak for those.  It seems that one can't rip too easily
 with a miter saw so I would think that would be one limitation for a
 miter saw.  So, in cross cutting, even though a miter saw may be more
 convenient, that is why I went with a portable table saw.  Also, I
 don't have much space so I needed a saw that would store in a small space.

 earlier, Andy LaPointe, wrote:
 Hi, I would like to purchase a table miter saw to cut various
 things.  I have never used one so, I would like to get everyone's
 opinion on how to use this
 or maybe some file with different info in it that will help me make
 a good decision.
 One question I have is how do I know where to place the piece to cut
 and know that the blade will cut along the marking that I made.  I
 am sorry for such
 an elementary question but, this is probably the best place to
 ask.  I guess you don't ask a car salesman how to read
 braille.  Thank you for any time
 you give me.  Andy.
 
 
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] handheld circ saws was Compound Miter Saws?

2006-08-25 Thread William Stephan
Dale, I think it was you who suggested one of these to me for use with a jig 
saw.  I built one with 3/4 inch birch plywood and masonite, and as you say, it 
works remarkably well.  I hadn't really thought about applying this to a circ 
saw, so thanks.


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


-Original Message-
From: Dale Leavens[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 8/24/06 8:25:58 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] handheld circ saws was  Compound Miter Saws?

Bill,

Two simple guides essentially the same only one goes under the entire saw 
except for the bit of the shoe plate to the right of the blade, the other is 
used on the right side of the shoe plate.

You use a length of thin material, tempered hardboard or Luan plywood for 
the base and a length of half to three quarters thick material for the 
guide. The factory edge of half inch plywood a couple of inches wide works 
well but a length of hardwood which is jointed true and straight is probably 
a little better if harder to find.

You lay the half inch straight edge on the hardboard so that the hardboard 
extends beyond the straight edge a little more than the distance from the 
edge of the shoe plate of the saw to the blade.

If this guide is to be used to the left of the saw then you will need six or 
more inches since the left edge of the saw shoe will follow the straight 
edge and you will cut off any excess hardboard.

If you intend to use the right side of the shoe then you will need an inch 
and a half of overlap so when you run the saw along it will trim off the 
excess hardboard.

What you are left with is a straight edge with an extending bit of hardboard 
which is exactly to the cutting edge of your saw. You line up this overhang 
where you want the blade to cut then clamp it down and press the edge of the 
shoe against the straight edge with the shoe riding on the remaining 
hardboard, squeeze the trigger and move the saw forward while keeping a 
gentle pressure sideways to keep the shoe against the guide.

This works remarkably well with a jig saw as well so long as you don't force 
the jigsaw and cause the blade to twist.

For reasons of durability you could use all kinds of things for the straight 
edge, a good straight length of square aluminum bar or some of those new 
poly materials if you can instal them straight enough.

Be sure that your straight edge is wide enough to accept a clamp at each end 
and to remain straight.

Hope this was clear and helpful.

Regrettably, I am more likely to use a scrap of plywood and a spacer block 
to set up most of my cuts. I do have one of those aluminum straight edges 
that Si and others have mentioned but I find they sag a little, mine doesn't 
quite make the grade for absolute true cuts. It is pretty darn good for 
trimming drywall but that is approximate anyway and easy to hide a multitude 
of sins. The other problem is where to keep an eight foot long guide when 
not in use but where it is convenient and easy to get to. Nevertheless, well 
worth the bother to have..


Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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Skype DaleLeavens
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- Original Message - 
From: William Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] handheld circ saws was Compound Miter Saws?


 Any of you folks have experience with handheld circular saws? Aside from 
 the obvious danger factor, is it possible to build a guide so straight 
 cuts can be made with one?

 Bill Stephan
 Kansas City, MO
 (816)803-2469
 William Stephan


 -Original Message-
 From: John Schwery[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 8/24/06 8:14:45 AM
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Compound Miter Saws?

 Andy, line up the edge of the blade with your mark so the blade won't
 cut away whatever you want to keep.  Dale asked which is more
 versatile, a table saw or miter saw.  I have never used a miter saw
 so I can't speak for those.  It seems that one can't rip too easily
 with a miter saw so I would think that would be one limitation for a
 miter saw.  So, in cross cutting, even though a miter saw may be more
 convenient, that is why I went with a portable table saw.  Also, I
 don't have much space so I needed a saw that would store in a small space.

 earlier, Andy LaPointe, wrote:
Hi, I would like to purchase a table miter saw to cut various
things.  I have never used one so, I would like to get everyone's
opinion on how to use this
or maybe some file with different info in it that will help me make
a good decision.
One question I have is how do I know where to place the piece to cut
and know that the blade will cut along the marking that I made.  I
am sorry for such
an elementary question but, this is probably the best place to
ask.  I guess you don't

RE: [BlindHandyMan] cutting a circle

2006-08-27 Thread William Stephan
What kind of splitter are you looking for Joe?  The only manual ones I
know about have a sledge or maul involved.  
The splitters that use a hydraulic ram can be pretty pricey.  I've had
one that was basically a Briggs  Stratton engine driving a geared down
augor.  You jammed the log onto the end of the augor, brased it against
a pipe that was mounted on the frame and let it rip.  I once failed to
brase the log right, and the whole machine took off hopping and didn't
stop til it crashed into the side of a building and stalled.

If you can find one of those it might be quite a bit cheaper.


-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 3:20 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] cutting a circle

Thanks for the info on the gloves, Larry.  All ready have them on my 
list for the next trip to town.

Now, if you or anyone, just has a tip on a cheap, manual, wood splitter.

Joe



At 11:59 AM 8/27/06, you wrote:


Actually the disk cutter is a high speed air motor with a 3/8 chuck on
the
end just like a drill motor and the disks come in a variety of
diameters
depending on your specific requirements. The disk surface is
perpendicular
to the centerline of the air motor thus allowing you to cut with the
edge
of the disk. After playing with a couple of layout ideas I am thinking
saws
all. I like your idea of physically affixing a pivot point to the
center of
the area to be removed. I scrounged up a peace of 1/4 by 1 inch
aluminum
strap. My plan is to attach it to the shoe of my saws all to minimize
blade
wonder.A 1/4 inch cap-screw with a lock-nut left loose enough so that
the
blade won't bind while making the circle on the contour of the hood
should
do the trick. Unfortunately I really don't have any practice blanks so
this
is definitely be a measure twice and cut once situation.
I will let you know how it works.

BTW with respect to gloves, Try the 20 Mil Nytral latex mechanics
gloves.
they are cheep, bullet proof, disposable and they still give you a
great
feel of your work. I have used them for years and they are a real hand
saver. You can find them in most auto parts store priced at about
$10.00
per hundred gloves. Depending on what I am doing a box can last me
several
months.
At 11:26 AM 8/27/2006 -0400, Dale Leavens wrote:

 Well I don't have any experience with the disk cutter, I assume it is
 mounted like a circular saw in which case cutting a curve will be
very
 difficult.
 
 With a sawsall though, a bar or stick of wood with a pin or probably
even
 better a small bolt through it near one end and cut 9 inches from the
middle
 of the bolt to the end minus the distance from the end of the shoe of
the
 sawsall to the blade then drill and saw or file enough length to get
the
 blade of the sawsall through. Then drop the bolt on the end of the
stick
 through a hole at the center of the circle and I think I would slip a
lock
 nut on it to be sure that vibration or other things won't allow it to
come
 free. Then keep the edge of the shoe of the sawsall against the end
of the
 stick or bar and if anything just keep the saw very very gently
turned
 toward the center of the circle just enough to keep it from tending
to
 wander away from the end of the stick and then make your way around
the
 circle using the rod or stick to keep you equally spaced away from
the
 centre.
 
 If you can manage with light cotton gloves I recommend it. The blade
you
 will be using will have very fine teeth so that isn't much trouble
but it
 can get pretty darn hot and it is also a little difficult to keep the
shoe
 against the end of the stick while keeping your fingers from getting
pounded
 by the shaft and blade holder and often small shards or curls of wire
 cuttings.
 
 Well that is my suggestion. I haven't cut a lot of metal though and
the hood
 won't be flat I am sure, they are usually contoured so it may be a
little
 difficult to track perfectly.
 
 Hope this helps.
 
 Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Skype DaleLeavens
 Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Larry Stansifer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com; blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 10:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] cutting a circle
 
 
   14Gage body sheet metal.
   Saws-all or high speed composite cutting disk.
  
   At 10:27 AM 8/27/2006 -0400, Dale Leavens wrote:
  
  What tool do you intend to use to cut with? Is this sheet metal or
some
  composite?
  
  
  
  Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 10:11 AM
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Manual wood splitter?

2006-08-28 Thread William Stephan
Interesting Joe.  We used to call
 the screw jacks you mention house jacks.  The ends of the ones I know about 
though sfin so as not to damage the surface their under.  If you could get a 
large wedge mounted on a sturdy piece of I beam or something, and something to 
keep a jack in place at the other end, you might be able to make a manual 
splitter.  If you use a wedge rather than a screw, you could use a screw or 
hydraulic jack.  
Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


-Original Message-
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Sent: 8/28/06 8:23:16 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Manual wood splitter?

I really am looking for a manual wood splitter, something powered by 
a hand pumped hydraulic pump or perhaps a screw turned by a bar.

These things probably don't exist, but it would seem to make sense to 
me that they did.  As a kid we had a couple of house jacks that had 
20 T stamped into the castings.  I was told this ment the jacks were 
rated at 20 tons, and they were turned with a real long peice of 
steel shafting.  They were heavy, very heavy, and a lot of blocking 
was needed even for the smallest jobs.  We used them for squaring up 
old barns and other buildings.

Seems to me one of those screws must have been adapted to splitting 
wood.  Could be used inside, would be quiet enough so I wouldn't 
become totally disoriented, and would be slow enough so I should be 
able to keep both my hands intact, and attached.

Just dreaming.

Once upon a time, I came across a wood splitter that was reported to 
use a hydraulic jack on a wev page.  But that was back in the days of 
DOS and Net Tamer and I can not find the page now.  The pages I do 
find, that may have just what I am looking forr, relie on 
graphics.  Text description is really lacking.


Recently found something called Charlie's Wood Splitter or 
something like that. It is apparently a large, conical bit that 
attaches to an impact wrench.  (Requires a 3/4 or 1 impact wrench, 
and might be just the ticket.  But $200 to find out is a bit 
daunting, and my impact wrench is only a 1/2 drive, anyway.  I think 
adding a 3/a4 impact wrench to my tools might be pretty expensive, 
although I haven't actually checked at Harbour Freight or 
Northern.   The idea is intrigueing,
  though.  Makes so much sense.

Will keep looking

Joe

At 04:50 PM 8/27/06, you wrote:
What kind of splitter are you looking for Joe?  The only manual ones I
know about have a sledge or maul involved.
The splitters that use a hydraulic ram can be pretty pricey.  I've had
one that was basically a Briggs  Stratton engine driving a geared down
augor.  You jammed the log onto the end of the augor, brased it against
a pipe that was mounted on the frame and let it rip.  I once failed to
brase the log right, and the whole machine took off hopping and didn't



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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Question.

2006-09-01 Thread William Stephan
Phil, the NFB store has what I believe you're looking for.  These are accurate 
to 1/16 inch, very nice tool.


Bill Stephan
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(816)803-2469
William Stephan


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   I asked this a while ago and now had an out look crash so lost the 
information.
   Does anyone know where to obtain a thing called a click rule.

   Thanks, Phil Parr.   

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] 5 Tips to Better Stick Welding

2006-09-27 Thread William Stephan
The guys who I used to have working for me said they used the color of their 
weldings a lot, but I bet there are other ways of getting information.  I 
suspect if you were welding the same types of metals it would be fairly easy to 
learn.  

I've used an oxy-acetalene rig to cut metal, and managed it, though the heat 
was distracting to say the least.


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] 5 Tips to Better Stick Welding

I once heard from a diver who does a lot of under water welding that a torch 
makes so many bubbles that you are essentially blind.  An arc is no better. 
After you strike the arc there are just as many bubbles.  If a diver can 
weld blind, why can't we.

Regards.

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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] 5 Tips to Better Stick Welding


 Now, just how does a blind man weld?
 Don't tell me very carefully.
 I had sight for fifty eight years, and did a lot of welding, now totally
 blind and can't imagine welding now.
 Ken
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 Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11:08 PM
 Subject: [BlindHandyMan] 5 Tips to Better Stick Welding


 Hi
 FIVE TIPS TO IMPROVE STICK WELDING

 Shellfish can make you a better welder. Simply think about CLAMS:
 Current setting, Length of arc, Angle of electrode, Manipulation of the
 electrode and
 Speed of travel. If you're just learning the Stick process, technically
 called Shielded Metal Arc Welding, remembering these five points will
 improve your
 welding technique.

 Before leaping into the how to weld information presented later in
 this article, take a minute to review the following advice, especially
 if you've never
 struck an arc or are still debating which machine to buy.

 Q: What type of Stick welder works best for all-around use?

 A: A welder with an AC/DC output, whether its an electric arc machine
 like Miller's Thunderbolt or a gas engine drive like Miller's Bobcat.

 DC welding offers advantages over AC for most Stick applications,
 including: easier starts; fewer arc outages and sticking; less
 spatter/better looking
 welds; easier vertical up and overhead welding; easier to learn how to
 weld and a smoother arc. DC reverse polarity (electrode positive)
 provides about
 10 percent more penetration at a given amperage than AC, while DC
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 friction, such as when hay, feed or water constantly rub against a steel
 part. A DC
 output won't work because of arc blow, where the magnetic field blows
 the molten filler metal out of the weld puddle. Because an AC output
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[BlindHandyMan] Circ saw cutting techniques

2006-10-10 Thread William Stephan
The circ saw I mentioned earlier has the blade mounted on the left side of the 
unit, and the wide base to the right.  I've been using it holding the trigger 
with my right hand and the control handle with my left.  I thought about this, 
and I think it's meant to be used with the left hand holding the trigger and 
the right on the control handle.

This would keep the saw between the operator and the work, and there'd be less 
chance of being hit by falling wood after the cut.  

Any thoughts on this from you folks who use circ saws?



Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Circ saw cutting techniques

2006-10-10 Thread William Stephan
Mickey, thanks for your post.

When I was looking into buying a circ saw, I talked to a couple of friends of 
mine who seem to know tools pretty well.  I told them I wanted most of all, a 
saw that wouldn't jump or buck if I happened to hit something unexpected.  
They, two of them, strongly suggested that I only buy a saw with a worm gear 
rather than a direct drive.  

I bought this particular model because it was available and I had a long 
weekend to play with it.  


Another feature is that there's a clutch that will slip if you seriously bind 
the blade.

I was told that all worm gear driven saws are lefties though that really 
doesn't make any sense to me.

The downside to this is that the saw is one heavy mother (just under 20 
pounds).  It has a 13 amp motor, and the only plastic on it is the trigger.  


After I wrote my post, I asked a guy who has the same model about how he uses 
it, and he says he does what I've been doing, right hand on the trigger.  He 
says he takes particular care how  he sets up his cuts, and pays attention to 
how the  wood is supported.

This was pretty expensive too, about $150, and there doesn't seem to be much in 
the way of price variation.
Best!
Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


-Original Message-
From: Mickey Fixsen[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10/10/06 1:22:27 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Circ saw cutting techniques

It certainly sounds like you have a left hand saw.  It is designed for someone 
who is left handed and you would hold the main handle and trigger with the left 
hand and use your right hand on the auxillary handle to help guide the saw.

If you are right handed, I would suggest that you return the saw and get the 
appropriate right hand saw.  It will have the blade to the right of the motor 
assembly and make it easier for you to properly use it with your dominant hand. 
 It is a serious safety concern!


  - Original Message - 
  From: William Stephan 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 11:38 AM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Circ saw cutting techniques


  The circ saw I mentioned earlier has the blade mounted on the left side of 
the unit, and the wide base to the right. I've been using it holding the 
trigger with my right hand and the control handle with my left. I thought about 
this, and I think it's meant to be used with the left hand holding the trigger 
and the right on the control handle.

  This would keep the saw between the operator and the work, and there'd be 
less chance of being hit by falling wood after the cut. 

  Any thoughts on this from you folks who use circ saws?

  Bill Stephan
  Kansas City, MO
  (816)803-2469
  William Stephan



   


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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Manuals

2006-10-10 Thread William Stephan
Thanks Betsy, 
I actually have a link to that site, just didn't remember having it.  I
also found a PDF copy of the manual on
www.skil.com, but for some reason, it locks up my system everytime I try
and open it.

-Original Message-
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Dolphin Press
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 5:08 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Manuals

Here is a previous message that may have what you need.
Betsy
At 11:52 AM 8/20/2006, you wrote:
Hi all,
I found this and thought it might be of interest to some.
Cy, the Ancient Okie...


Need some instructions?

User manuals have always been frustrating for me. Many products come
with
hefty manuals. Some have several manuals.

I file them away. But with the number of gadgets, appliances and
accessories
I have, it's a daunting task.

So, I can never seem to find the exact manual I want. Many
manufacturers
make manuals available online. So that's where I usually go.

When that fails, I visit UsersManualGuide.com. It has hundreds of
product
manuals from major manufacturers. They cover electric toothbrushes to
television sets. Handy! The manuals are in PDF format, so you'll need
the
free Acrobat Reader.

My one complaint is that the site is missing some major brands. And not
all
my products are there. But, I suppose that would be an impossible task!

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Circ saw cutting techniques

2006-10-11 Thread William Stephan
Dale, you mean I 'm on the cutting edge and don't even know it?


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


-Original Message-
From: Dale Leavens[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10/10/06 5:05:43 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Circ saw cutting techniques

Sorry but that is not necessarily correct.

There are now a number of circular saws available with left or right side 
blades. The reason is preferred line-of-sight, not left or right hand use.

With the more traditional right side blade it is necessary to lean out over 
the saw to view the cut line and sight notch in the shoe plate because the 
body of the saw and the blade guard are in the way. On the other hand, with 
the weight of the motor and bulk of the shoe plate on the left it is better 
supported when cross cutting dimensional lumber like cutting off studs and 
so on by right handed persons.

I suppose now that power miter saws are so much more common in use that 
circular saws now are mostly being used for cutting sheet goods and 
therefore the convenience of a left sided blade is more apparent.

There are saws intended for left handed use but not many. They differ in 
their placement of the trigger lock and things like the orientation of the 
scales for depth adjustment and bevel angle. It is true too that until 
recently they were about the only saws with the blade on the left but that 
is no longer true.

I have been looking into buying a new circular saw myself which is why I 
discovered this. I have been considering a battery version but I don't use 
it often enough these days to be bothered with looking after the batteries 
and with that additional weight I am thinking I might as well fiddle about 
with the cord. For some reason those saws seem to have to be pretty heavy. 
It seems to me that blades on the left have appeared nearly over night.


Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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Skype DaleLeavens
Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.


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To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Circ saw cutting techniques


 It certainly sounds like you have a left hand saw.  It is designed for 
 someone who is left handed and you would hold the main handle and trigger 
 with the left hand and use your right hand on the auxillary handle to help 
 guide the saw.

 If you are right handed, I would suggest that you return the saw and get 
 the appropriate right hand saw.  It will have the blade to the right of 
 the motor assembly and make it easier for you to properly use it with your 
 dominant hand.  It is a serious safety concern!


  - Original Message - 
  From: William Stephan
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 11:38 AM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Circ saw cutting techniques


  The circ saw I mentioned earlier has the blade mounted on the left side 
 of the unit, and the wide base to the right. I've been using it holding 
 the trigger with my right hand and the control handle with my left. I 
 thought about this, and I think it's meant to be used with the left hand 
 holding the trigger and the right on the control handle.

  This would keep the saw between the operator and the work, and there'd be 
 less chance of being hit by falling wood after the cut.

  Any thoughts on this from you folks who use circ saws?

  Bill Stephan
  Kansas City, MO
  (816)803-2469
  William Stephan






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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Applying finish to wood

2006-10-13 Thread William Stephan
Thanks Mickey, this is one to hang on to.


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


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Sent: 10/13/06 12:40:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Applying finish to wood

Bill,

I haven't used the new wipe on polyurethane finishes yet.  However, I have used 
many other finishes by applying them with my bare hand.  I have used alkyd 
varnish, Tung oil, polyurethane varnish, latex paint, alkyd paint, polycrylic 
(water based) varnish and even lacquer.  I get very good results with most of 
these products.  I think the most difficult to use is the water based poly 
varnish.  It dries too fast.

I prefer using a bare hand rather than a rag, or other tool, because I can feel 
how much and where the finish is being applied.  The oil based finishes work 
especially well.  One thing to watch out for and be extra careful about is 
along edges and at corners.  The material has a tendency to accumulate in these 
areas.  They do the same with a brush and many sighted people end up with 
ridges along edges and puddles or drips in corners.  It takes a bit of practice 
(like with anything), but it works very well for a blind guy.

The technique is to just dip the pads of your fingers of one hand in the finish 
and then apply it to the part.  You can use a circular motion to work the 
finish around and spread it out.  I usually use a finish stroke in the 
direction of the grain before I move to another section.  Don't put on too much 
and keep moving along.  Several thin coats are better than one heavy one.  Be 
careful not to drip any finish from your fingers onto an area that you have 
already finished.  I would suggest starting with an oil based product to begin 
with.  They dry much slower and you will find them very easy to use.  For 
polyurethane varnish, I really like the fast drying Minwax oil based 
polyurethane.  Some brands of polyurethane take forever to dry and I don't care 
for those.

For stain, I have found that Minwax Wood Finish works very well.  It needs to 
be stirred up real good before use.  Then, I do use a clean piece of cloth to 
dip in the stain and apply it.  You can put it on a bit heavy and then after a 
few minutes, go back over it with a clean dry cloth to even it out and mop up 
any excess.  It is a thin penetrating stain that I get excellent results with.  
I don't think a blind guy can get very good results with any of the water based 
stains.

Your hands can easily be cleaned.  Use mineral spirits (paint thinner) for oil 
based finishes and warm soap and water for water based finishes.  You might 
want to clean your hands along the way, if material seems to be drying on them 
as you are working.

I have used the bare hand technique for about 40 years.  I have done finish 
work on everything from boats to fine furniture, and everything in between.  I 
am very particular about the quality of my finish and get rave comments.  
Whenever I am in furniture stores, or even houses, I am always feeling the 
quality of the finish work.  I am usually very disappointed in what I find out 
there.  I have to say that I do tons better finish work than most everything 
that I look at.

Give your bare hand a try.  I think you will like the results.

Good Luck

Mickey
  - Original Message - 
  From: William Stephan 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:47 AM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Applying finish to wood


  Folks:

  I recently built a sort of table top out of 2 x 4s and 3/4 inch birch plywood 
that sits on top of a dog crate so as to provide flat work surface in an 
office. I don't think I want to paint the thing, but it probably needs to have 
some finish applied.

  I've heard that there's a product called clearcoat that can be applied 
using a cloth and which doesn't streak. Anybody used this, and can they talk 
about their technique?

  Thanks.

  Bill Stephan
  Kansas City, MO
  (816)803-2469
  William Stephan



   


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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters

2006-10-13 Thread William Stephan
Ed:
I just bought an infrared heater to heat a three-seasons room.  Mine's a 
Suncloud, not quartz.  It has four 675 watt (I think) infrared bulbs mounted 
below a heat exchanger with a small fan.  Since the thing draws 1,500 watts, 
it's only rated at like 5,300 BTUs or so, but the manufacturer claims that the 
combination of the special heat exchanger and the fact that it's infrared 
cause it to deliver that amount of heat very efficiently.  

We had the thing on last evening, and we got down to just about freezing.  It 
kept the room very comfortable at that temperature, and didn't run continuously.

I don't know how it'll do when it's zero, but it's a lot better than either the 
fan-forced heater I have or the oil-filled one we used last year, which 
incidentally died right at the end of the season despite being new.

The only bad thing about this is the cost.  I paid like $530.00 for the thing.  
The unit I bought and the bulbs are guaranteed for three years.

Anybody know if you can use a light probe to check infrared bulbs?

Good luck Ed.
comes in a furniture-grade cabinet, 

Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


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From: Edward Przybylek[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10/13/06 1:29:02 PM
To: BlindHandyManListblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters

Hi all,

I've been looking at quartz infrared heaters to help supplement my 
home heating this winter.  The paticular unit I've been looking at is 
called the EdenPure.  Supposedly the larger unit will heat 1000 
square feet.  Has anyone had any experience with this type of heater 
and if so, what did/do you think of it?  Thanks.

Take care,
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters

2006-10-15 Thread William Stephan
Ralph, if this is the same unit I just bought, it uses four bulbs to
generate heat.  Also, when you get it, you're going to have to take the
thing apart to install the bulbs which are in a coregated box inside the
unit.  You can probably figure it out, but if not, let me know since I
just did the same thing.


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From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 4:41 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters

Let us know how the heater works out this winter,  It will be
interesting to see.  Don
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ralph Supernaw 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 4:18 PM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters


  There is at least one other manufacturer of quartz home space heaters.
We
  just ordered a Sun Twin which is a 1500 watt unit with oak Vanier
cabinet.
  It retails for about $550 but we bought our for $450 on EBay. If
there's
  any interest I can post after we use it some.

  We were deciding between the Sun Twin and a unit produced by Solar
Cloud.
  The Solar Cloud heater used infrared bulbs instead of the quartz. As I
  researched I couldn't find much that would say the quartz is superior
to the
  infrared. I did find that quartz heaters have a lot of industrial
uses. 

  Ralph

  _ 

  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Ray Boyce
  Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 3:34 PM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters

  Hi Ken
  I hope rJ helped as I live in Australia do a Google Search for your
nearest 
  retailer this should come up with a few options.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ken Hawk [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:khawk%40triad.rr.com rr.com
  To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
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  Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2006 11:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters

   Ray, do you know where you can purchase these units?
   Ken Hawk
   - Original Message - 
   From: Ray Boyce [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:rayb101%40westnet.com.au
  com.au
   To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
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   Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 8:15 PM
   Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters
  
  
   Hi Ed
   This is what I found out about the heater
   Q. What is the origin of this amazing heating element in the
EdenPURET
   Heater?
   A. This advanced heating element was discovered accidentally by a
man
   named
   John Jones. He had a large old farmhouse that was impossible to
heat.
   Jones
   had a coal furnace in his basement. Jones placed a sheet of cured
copper
   near the furnace to store it. Cured copper is a type of copper that
goes
   through
   an extensive heating process to give it special properties.
  
   EdenPURET Quartz Infrared Portable Heater
  
  
   After the fire went out in the coal furnace, Jones noticed that the
sheet
   of
   copper was heating his entire basement evenly, even though the
furnace 
   was
   no longer putting out heat. He also was amazed as to how long the
heat
   stayed in the copper and continued to warm the room.
  
   Jones was so taken back by this that he started to experiment. He
formed 
   a
   company to develop a heating source out of this cured copper. But
Jones
   had
   a
   number of children and he did not want a heating source that would
cause 
   a
   fire or create other hazardous situations like creating carbon
monoxide 
   or
   radiation.
   He also did not want his children to get burned. To make a long
story
   short,
   through a great deal of research and development, Jones developed a
   heating
   source that utilized commercial infrared quartz tubes.
  
   Q. What advantages does infrared quartz tube heating source have
over
   other
   heating source products?
  
   A. John Jones designed his heating source around the three most
important
   consumer benefits: economy, comfort, and safety. The final
development of
   this
   infrared quartz heat source cannot be matched by any other heating
system
   in
   the world. In the EdenPURE system, electricity is used to generate
   infrared
   light which, in turn, creates a very safe heat. Infrared is the
safest
   form
   of heat because it does not create carbon monoxide or harmful
radiation.
  
   And, most importantly, infrared heat does not reach a burning 
   temperature.
   After a great deal of research and development, very efficient
infrared
   heat
   chambers were developed that utilize three unique patented solid
copper
   heat
   exchangers in one EdenPURE Heater. Over 5 years of research,
development
   and
   real life field testing stand behind this heat source. It has now
worked
   in
   residential and commercial applications worldwide for over 25
years.
  
   Q. Why is it that this 

RE: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters

2006-10-15 Thread William Stephan
Dale, the three-seasons room where we're using the heater I just paid
big bucks for is about 125 cubic feet.  It's not well insolated at all,
so heating it enough to be usable is challenging in winter.  
This is strictly from memory, so I'm invoking the principle of strict
non-attribution. regarding this formula.

In another life, I used to lease space heating equipment on construction
jobs.  If memory serves, the formula we used was:

Square feet x 1.4 x degrees F. between ambient temperature and desired
temperature.

So, if we had 800 square feet, and we wanted to maintain 50 degrees of
difference, we'd need 56,000 BTUs.  Again, this was years back, and a
lot of scotch has flowed since then, but I believe the formula's right.
Since there are 21,591 BTUs in a pound of propane, you'd be burning
about 2.6 pounds per hour maintaining that.

I agree that it's not going to be possible to use one of these as
anything more than a supplement in an already heated home.


-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 1:09 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters

There is no doubt at all that it will produce heat and quite possibly
even a 
little better than other 1500 watt heaters but even according to these 
figures it is likely to be inadequate.

Well insulated they recommend 32000 BTU per thousand square feet. At
3.413 
BTU per Watt it would require 9375.9156 Watts and that heater is 1500
so, in 
a well insulated thousand square foot home it would require 6.25 1500
Watt 
heaters. Either that or it is over 6 times as efficient at squeezing out

heat energy from a watt.

In the spring and fall these heaters can certainly be enough to take the

chill out of a room as a supplement heater and I hope you are happy with
it. 
I just think that anyone expecting a 1500 watt heater to keep an entire
home 
warm even with minimal heating requirements will be disappointed. Above
all 
I deplore that sort of selling technique. It feels unfair to me.



Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Skype DaleLeavens
Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.


- Original Message - 
From: William Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 1:17 PM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters


 I'm suspending judgment so far as to whether or not the Sun Twin we
just
 bought is worth the money or not.  Here's some info I found at
sometime
 in the past that might help estimating heat requirements.  Remember,
 this is Tennessee, so your milage may vary.
 1 watt = 3.413BTUs


 Gas Space Heat Required by Square Footage

 Table with 5 columns and 5 rows

 BTUs Required

 Square Feet
 200
 400
 600
 800

 Well Insulated
 6,400
 12,800
 19,200
 25,600

 Average
 10,000
 20,000
 30,000
 40,000

 Poorly Insulated
 12,800
 25,600
 38,400
 51,200
 table end

 Table with 5 columns and 5 rows

 BTUs Required

 Square Feet
 1,000
 1,200
 1,600
 2,000

 Well Insulated
 32,000
 38,400
 51,200
 64,000

 Average
 50,000
 60,000
 80,000
 100,000

 Poorly Insulated
 64,000
 76,800
 102,400
 128,000
 table end
 THIS TABLE IS FOR QUICK REFERENCE ONLY.  EVERY APPLICATION IS
DIFFERENT
 AND THERE ARE MANY FACTORS TO CONSIDER.
 Notes:
 This table does not distinguish between vented and unvented heaters.
 It utilizes formulas that have been used by Middle Tennessee Natural
 Gas employees.
 The well insulated rating is figured using 4 BTUs per cubic foot and
 a ceiling height of 8 feet.
 The average rating is figured using 50 BTUs per square foot.
 The poorly insulated rating is figured using 8 BTUs per cubic foot
 and a ceiling height of 8 feet.


 -Original Message-
 From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
 Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 10:47 AM
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters

 Well here is the thing in my humble opinion and it really is humble.

 A thousand square feet is a modest little house size. I quite simply
 don't
 believe it could be heated with 1500 watts. That is only a little more
 energy than your toaster or electric kettle or iron or hair drier
uses.
 There are cars which the kids cruise around our lake in the middle of
 our
 town have more power in there stereo systems.

 Now if you only need to keep the building a couple of degrees above
the
 out
 door temperature this may be adequate but your propane furnace will do
 that
 with little more than a grunt and you have already paid for it and it
 won't
 take up any more space than it already does.

 Now I may well be wrong and you should bear in mind that I am
generally
 more
 skeptical and maybe less trusting than I should be. It might well be
 possible but I suspect it is an expensive way of converting
electricity
 into
 heat

RE: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters

2006-10-15 Thread William Stephan
OOPSE!  It's 125 square feet, not cubic feet.

Time to self-medicate again I guess.


-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Stephan
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 2:52 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters

Dale, the three-seasons room where we're using the heater I just paid
big bucks for is about 125 cubic feet.  It's not well insolated at all,
so heating it enough to be usable is challenging in winter.  
This is strictly from memory, so I'm invoking the principle of strict
non-attribution. regarding this formula.

In another life, I used to lease space heating equipment on construction
jobs.  If memory serves, the formula we used was:

Square feet x 1.4 x degrees F. between ambient temperature and desired
temperature.

So, if we had 800 square feet, and we wanted to maintain 50 degrees of
difference, we'd need 56,000 BTUs.  Again, this was years back, and a
lot of scotch has flowed since then, but I believe the formula's right.
Since there are 21,591 BTUs in a pound of propane, you'd be burning
about 2.6 pounds per hour maintaining that.

I agree that it's not going to be possible to use one of these as
anything more than a supplement in an already heated home.


-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 1:09 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters

There is no doubt at all that it will produce heat and quite possibly
even a 
little better than other 1500 watt heaters but even according to these 
figures it is likely to be inadequate.

Well insulated they recommend 32000 BTU per thousand square feet. At
3.413 
BTU per Watt it would require 9375.9156 Watts and that heater is 1500
so, in 
a well insulated thousand square foot home it would require 6.25 1500
Watt 
heaters. Either that or it is over 6 times as efficient at squeezing out

heat energy from a watt.

In the spring and fall these heaters can certainly be enough to take the

chill out of a room as a supplement heater and I hope you are happy with
it. 
I just think that anyone expecting a 1500 watt heater to keep an entire
home 
warm even with minimal heating requirements will be disappointed. Above
all 
I deplore that sort of selling technique. It feels unfair to me.



Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Skype DaleLeavens
Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.


- Original Message - 
From: William Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 1:17 PM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters


 I'm suspending judgment so far as to whether or not the Sun Twin we
just
 bought is worth the money or not.  Here's some info I found at
sometime
 in the past that might help estimating heat requirements.  Remember,
 this is Tennessee, so your milage may vary.
 1 watt = 3.413BTUs


 Gas Space Heat Required by Square Footage

 Table with 5 columns and 5 rows

 BTUs Required

 Square Feet
 200
 400
 600
 800

 Well Insulated
 6,400
 12,800
 19,200
 25,600

 Average
 10,000
 20,000
 30,000
 40,000

 Poorly Insulated
 12,800
 25,600
 38,400
 51,200
 table end

 Table with 5 columns and 5 rows

 BTUs Required

 Square Feet
 1,000
 1,200
 1,600
 2,000

 Well Insulated
 32,000
 38,400
 51,200
 64,000

 Average
 50,000
 60,000
 80,000
 100,000

 Poorly Insulated
 64,000
 76,800
 102,400
 128,000
 table end
 THIS TABLE IS FOR QUICK REFERENCE ONLY.  EVERY APPLICATION IS
DIFFERENT
 AND THERE ARE MANY FACTORS TO CONSIDER.
 Notes:
 This table does not distinguish between vented and unvented heaters.
 It utilizes formulas that have been used by Middle Tennessee Natural
 Gas employees.
 The well insulated rating is figured using 4 BTUs per cubic foot and
 a ceiling height of 8 feet.
 The average rating is figured using 50 BTUs per square foot.
 The poorly insulated rating is figured using 8 BTUs per cubic foot
 and a ceiling height of 8 feet.


 -Original Message-
 From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
 Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 10:47 AM
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters

 Well here is the thing in my humble opinion and it really is humble.

 A thousand square feet is a modest little house size. I quite simply
 don't
 believe it could be heated with 1500 watts. That is only a little more
 energy than your toaster or electric kettle or iron or hair drier
uses.
 There are cars which the kids cruise around our lake in the middle of
 our
 town have more power in there stereo systems.

 Now if you only need to keep the building a couple of degrees above
the
 out
 door temperature this may be adequate but your propane furnace will do
 that
 with little more than

RE: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters

2006-10-15 Thread William Stephan
Dale, there are interesting cmplications to all of this too.

First, propane turns into a liquid at -40, so the tanks themselves have
to be heated.  Then, because of the tanks breathing, if the surface area
is too small, as the level drops, ice forms on the outside of the tanks
and the gas quits flowing.

I was in Alaska, right at the tail end of the pipeline boom, and I was
absolutely amazed at the conditions those folks worked and succeeded
under.



-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 4:10 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters

I have often wondered about the heating requirements on building sites.
Here 
they often work even into the winter under tents or tarpaulins even 
including pouring cement! They run these huge heaters at what has to be 
ridiculous cost however winter contracts are often cheaper because there
is 
so much less competition for builders. They probably work for little
profit 
just to keep good workers employed and available for the spring. They
are 
often heating an area while erecting steel and I have observed
temperatures 
well below minus 40. Often they are lighting too with days here under
eight 
hours of sunlight and I understand in the Yukon and parts of Alaska
little 
or no daylight hours at all. Of course up there building costs are 
outrageous anyway because of the cost of transportation and they have to

bring everything in.

I couldn't debate your figures at all I just don't know. I am aware
though 
that just as soon as they make any sort of supplemental heating
appliance to 
be a decent piece of furniture the price goes crazy! Much of it hardly
gets 
used but it does need to look good even when not in use.

Your room is quite a bit smaller than the thousand square feet they
claim so 
you will probably find it does the job required.


Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Skype DaleLeavens
Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.


- Original Message - 
From: William Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters


 Dale, the three-seasons room where we're using the heater I just paid
 big bucks for is about 125 cubic feet.  It's not well insolated at
all,
 so heating it enough to be usable is challenging in winter.
 This is strictly from memory, so I'm invoking the principle of strict
 non-attribution. regarding this formula.

 In another life, I used to lease space heating equipment on
construction
 jobs.  If memory serves, the formula we used was:

 Square feet x 1.4 x degrees F. between ambient temperature and desired
 temperature.

 So, if we had 800 square feet, and we wanted to maintain 50 degrees of
 difference, we'd need 56,000 BTUs.  Again, this was years back, and a
 lot of scotch has flowed since then, but I believe the formula's
right.
 Since there are 21,591 BTUs in a pound of propane, you'd be burning
 about 2.6 pounds per hour maintaining that.

 I agree that it's not going to be possible to use one of these as
 anything more than a supplement in an already heated home.


 -Original Message-
 From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
 Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 1:09 PM
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters

 There is no doubt at all that it will produce heat and quite possibly
 even a
 little better than other 1500 watt heaters but even according to these
 figures it is likely to be inadequate.

 Well insulated they recommend 32000 BTU per thousand square feet. At
 3.413
 BTU per Watt it would require 9375.9156 Watts and that heater is 1500
 so, in
 a well insulated thousand square foot home it would require 6.25 1500
 Watt
 heaters. Either that or it is over 6 times as efficient at squeezing
out

 heat energy from a watt.

 In the spring and fall these heaters can certainly be enough to take
the

 chill out of a room as a supplement heater and I hope you are happy
with
 it.
 I just think that anyone expecting a 1500 watt heater to keep an
entire
 home
 warm even with minimal heating requirements will be disappointed.
Above
 all
 I deplore that sort of selling technique. It feels unfair to me.



 Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Skype DaleLeavens
 Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.


 - Original Message - 
 From: William Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 1:17 PM
 Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters


 I'm suspending judgment so far as to whether or not the Sun Twin we
 just
 bought is worth the money or not.  Here's some info I found at
 sometime
 in the past that might help estimating heat

[BlindHandyMan] Adventures in Varnish

2006-10-16 Thread William Stephan
Well, taking Mickey's advice, I have so far put two coats of varnish on my 
tabletop.  My wife was kind enough to pick the varnish and some paint thinner 
up for me at the lumber yard, and I'm not sure that it's garden variety 
varnish.  The can says it's an antique finish.  It is oil-based, and I was 
indeed able to feel the areas where there was too much or too little coverage.  
I have a reader/book-keeper with eyes scheduled to work on Tuesday evening, and 
i'll get him to evaluate my work after another coat and give  you all a report 
as to how it looks.
I'm curious though if the same techniques can be used with paint, and whether 
it matters if it's flat or gloss paint you're working with.

Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Adventures in Varnish

2006-10-17 Thread William Stephan
Well, I'm having some trouble getting an even thickness, I'm putting too much 
in the center of the surface and not enough on the edges.  I can tell this 
tactilely, so i'm going to slap a couple more coats on the thing before the 
examination by the sighted folks happens.


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


-Original Message-
From: Dale Leavens[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10/16/06 7:54:36 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Adventures in Varnish

I am interested in this, I know how difficult it can be to keep brush 
strokes out of paint and varnish and I know how finger prints so easily get 
onto and into things, I find it difficult to see how you keep finger prints 
out of the finish when keeping brush marks out can be so difficult.

My mother was constantly wiping my finger prints off of dry paint, prints I 
couldn't see.


Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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Skype DaleLeavens
Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.


- Original Message - 
From: Mickey Fixsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Adventures in Varnish


 Bill,

 Congratulations!!!

 I'm sure that you noticed on coats after the first one, that you don't 
 have to use as much finish and it can be rubbed out further.  Btw, I use 
 400 grit sandpater between coats and be sure to make sure that everything 
 is very clean before applying the next coat.

 Yes, you can use the same technique with paint.  It will work fine with 
 both alkyd based and latex paints and it doesn't matter on what type of 
 gloss it has.  I do use a brush with some painting, depending on what the 
 job is.  I use the hand technique on smaller projects like what you are 
 working on or cabinets and such.  For house painting, I use a brush.

 Keep us posted.


  - Original Message - 
  From: William Stephan
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 10:42 AM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Adventures in Varnish


  Well, taking Mickey's advice, I have so far put two coats of varnish on 
 my tabletop. My wife was kind enough to pick the varnish and some paint 
 thinner up for me at the lumber yard, and I'm not sure that it's garden 
 variety varnish. The can says it's an antique finish. It is oil-based, 
 and I was indeed able to feel the areas where there was too much or too 
 little coverage. I have a reader/book-keeper with eyes scheduled to work 
 on Tuesday evening, and i'll get him to evaluate my work after another 
 coat and give you all a report as to how it looks.
  I'm curious though if the same techniques can be used with paint, and 
 whether it matters if it's flat or gloss paint you're working with.

  Bill Stephan
  Kansas City, MO
  (816)803-2469
  William Stephan






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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters

2006-10-17 Thread William Stephan
Dale, lofts, because of their high ceilings are another place where this kind 
of heat is supposed to be mor economical.


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
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-Original Message-
From: Dale Leavens[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10/16/06 7:21:41 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters

I just did a search and was interested to discover that this sort of heating 
device has been widely used in industry for heat processing like thermal 
molding and vacuum forming and heating metallic parts for coating or burning 
the lubricant off of extruded wire insulation and all sorts. The primary 
preferred use is to be able to come up to full temperature quickly and fall 
off again quickly when not in use. A controller can turn the lamps on just 
in time for some or other part of the process and the radiation falls back 
to about 5% within a couple of seconds of turning them off.

The technology is used for many other things too, direct radiation for spot 
heating in large areas like hangers and warehouses or to keep snow and ice 
clear from outdoor areas or even spot heating of a part of a patio like over 
the barbecue.

This refers to the element technology only, not that particular 
configuration in the Edinpure device.

While electric infrared heating is far from new, I had never thought of 
using it in those ways.


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- Original Message - 
From: rj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters


 If you read the post of mine stated $397 for the 1000 sq foot and $300 for
 the 500 sq ft.  the deluxe model, which I forgot the name that heat 1000 
 sq
 ft is $447, and it has a wood cabinet. Go to google and type in Edenpure
 heaters and take your choice of where you would like to purchase the 
 heater.
 Even Amazon has one up for bid.
 Good luck
 P. S. the last bid on Amazon was $305 and about two days to go.
 RJ
 - Original Message - 
 From: Terrie Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 4:26 PM
 Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Quartz Infrared Heaters


 i am interested in the heater and no one on here answered my question OK
 WHAT DO THESE DAMNED THINGS COST .sO IS THERE A DIFFERENT TYPE THEN THE
 EDENPURE
 TERRIE



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Adventures in Varnish

2006-10-17 Thread William Stephan
Well, if I can't get the technique right this way, I might try a thick coat of 
finish, then putting a sheet of butcher paper over it and rolling it with a 
very wide roller.  This is something I've never tried before, so I'm more 
interested in finding out what I can and can't do than actually creating a 
piece of nice furniture.  I mean, there's always contact paper {grin.

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I have to agree with Dale,

After talking with many people about finishes, my sighted friends always 
complain about how difficult it is to get a perfect finish without brush 
strokes visible.  The finishes feel fine, but you can see the marks.  I 
find it hard to believe that finger painting a finish would have a good 
visible finish.  I'm sure it feels perfectly smooth, that is a function of 
sanding and buffing, but I have my doubts as to the visible effect.

-- 
Blue skies.
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] slip joint leak: I messed up?

2006-10-18 Thread William Stephan
Hoom, we used to use a water and dish washing detergent mix to check for leaks 
on tanks.  I don't know how practical this would be, but a sighted person could 
pretty easily see where the bubbles were while the blower was blowing if Tom 
was able to apply a little of that solution on his pipes.

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-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] slip joint leak: I messed up?

Damn right it wood and that big pressure side outlet would be easier to seal.

At 03:20 PM 10/18/2006 -0400, Victor Gouveia wrote:
Hi Tom,

Wouldn't a shop vac with a blower accomplish the same task?

Victor Gouveia

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] turkey, how large?

2006-10-19 Thread William Stephan
Well, size is a function of time, as in how long do you want the left-overs to 
last.


Bill Stephan
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-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] turkey, how large?

Assuming a turkey can eat two people I figure you will need about five 
turkeys.



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Subject: [BlindHandyMan] turkey, how large?


 We are feeding 9 or 10 people for thanksgiving.  How big a Turkey do we 
 need?


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[BlindHandyMan] Harbor Freight, a good tradeoff

2006-10-19 Thread William Stephan
 Well, I've been whining for a year or so about how much I need one of those 
Tissot vibrating watches that cost $400 or so.  And, my wife I believe was 
going to buy me one for Xmas.  Yesterday though, I decided I could save money 
and really be happier buying a compressor, which I've also been whining about 
not having. 

So, after I got the clearance from my wife, I checked around a bit and 
finally bought a small relatively inexpensive one from Harbor Freight.

I was able to get the compressor, hose, coupling set, blow gun, 3/8 drill and 
3/8 air ratchet for about $160.00, and that includes shipping.  
And, since I saved us so much money, I'm going to have another 30 amp line put 
on the breaker box in the basement, which is something else I've wanted for a 
while.

BTW, I got really good service from the folks at Harbor Freight.



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Harbor Freight, a good tradeoff

2006-10-20 Thread William Stephan
It's pretty small, eight or ten gallons, 110 psi and about 6 cfm.



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-Original Message-
From: Loren buntemeyer[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10/19/06 9:01:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Harbor Freight, a good tradeoff

How many PSI capacity?

Loren
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tony Thurman 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 7:57 PM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Harbor Freight, a good tradeoff


  I bought a small compressor from them last year and have been pleased with
  it.  

  I recently purchased a hose reel on ebay.  Its not the self winding model
  but was cheap and is very sturdhy and is much better than messing with the
  hose.
   
  Tony

  -Original Message-
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  On Behalf Of William Stephan
  Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:47 AM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Harbor Freight, a good tradeoff

   Well, I've been whining for a year or so about how much I need one of those
  Tissot vibrating watches that cost $400 or so.  And, my wife I believe was
  going to buy me one for Xmas.  Yesterday though, I decided I could save
  money and really be happier buying a compressor, which I've also been
  whining about not having. 

  So, after I got the clearance from my wife, I checked around a bit and
  finally bought a small relatively inexpensive one from Harbor Freight.

  I was able to get the compressor, hose, coupling set, blow gun, 3/8 drill
  and 3/8 air ratchet for about $160.00, and that includes shipping.  
  And, since I saved us so much money, I'm going to have another 30 amp line
  put on the breaker box in the basement, which is something else I've wanted
  for a while.

  BTW, I got really good service from the folks at Harbor Freight.



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] click ruler

2006-10-20 Thread William Stephan
Ed, you're in a jam.  How about promising Thanksgiving dinner out somewhere?  
Xmas maybe
BTW, you guys probably know this, but the stop blocks on  the clickrule are 1/4 
inch thick.  It's handy to know that for inside measurings.



Bill Stephan
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William Stephan


-Original Message-
From: Edward Przybylek[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10/20/06 11:37:50 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] click ruler

Hi Mickey,

Both prices are quite substantial but worth it, I would think, if the 
rulers are accessible and work well.  I already own a Tissot 
vibrating watch so what the hell do I use to bargain with my wife!

Take care,
Ed Przybylek

At 09:18 AM 10/20/2006, you wrote:
Ed,

The Clickrule comes with 3 12 extensions and will measure up to a 
total of 48.  It costs $65 plus sh from the NFB store.

The Rotomatic comes with 3 extensions.  1- 6, 1-- 12, and 1- 18 
and will measure up to a total of 42.  The price from the NFB store 
is $50 plus sh.

- Original Message -
   From: Edward Przybylek
   To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:29 PM
   Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] click ruler


   Hi Rob,

   I've been thinking of buying one or both of these devices. As long
   as you've done the research, just how much do they cost? Thanks.

   Take care,
   Ed Przybylek

   At 04:47 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote:
   Hi, Just Rob again. Thanks for the info on the rulers I sent for the
   click ruler believe that will work for me for now... Can't believe
   how much they are ...
THANKS ROB
   
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] putting up shelves

2006-10-22 Thread William Stephan
I have something similar in my basement, just steel frames and press
board inserts, but they work fine and I don't feel bad if I slop paint
or whatever on them.


-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] putting up shelves

robert,
what we have, and they are un fancy in the extreme, are many sets
of steel utility shelving from Sears or the like.

they're often not much more than $25.00 or so for an 18 by 36
inch unit 6 feet high with 5 shelves.  clunky in the extreme, but
easy to put together with only a screwdriver and pretty cheap.
And you don't have to bolt them to anything unless you're in
earth quake territory and care. elegant it ain't. but effective.

tom


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[BlindHandyMan] Supporting the Work

2006-10-23 Thread William Stephan
Yesterday, I got to spend a considerable amount of time in my basement cutting 
and drilling in preparation for building a workbench.  The floor is about five 
inches higher at the base of three of the walls than it is in the center where 
there is a drain.  This can present some challenges, but  I like it just the 
same.  But I digress.

My wife is a woman of many talents, some of which have to do with music.  She 
has a studio, and several adjustable music stands.

Yesterday,  I borrowed one of these to use while I was sawing and running my 
drill press.  It worked amazingly well quite frankly, and it was sturdier than 
I had thought.  It was easily adjustable, and because of the sloping floor, I 
could make minor changes by just moving  it an inch or two in one direction or 
another.

Any of you folks have different and maybe better ways of supporting work?

Thanks for any other ideas.

  

Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] old cars and jack stands

2006-10-23 Thread William Stephan
Lee, I thought about getting something like a car stand, you know the 
pyrimid-shaped units you put under cars?  But, the table on my drill press is 
probably 48 inches off the ground, so a car stand would be way too short.  The 
sheetrock jack really was outstanding, because it had an automobile 
steeringwheel on it that raised and lowered the platform.  Of course, it
 had casters too, so I'd either have to lock or shim them, or 
Just do all my work right near the drain.
Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


-Original Message-
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Sent: 10/23/06 4:18:47 PM
To: Blind Handymanblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] old cars and jack stands


 How would we find out or do you know what year, I think Chrysler had a 
three or four leg jack stand  which had a crank on it to slowly raise 
the car for changing a tire. one of these  jack stands  would take up 
little space in a shop or basement and could come in  handy for 
different projects, including building a work bench. this is how I 
collected so much stuff because of brain storming  like this. but after 
long thought. If I could find one of those in a junk yard it still would 
be a good investment.Lee


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Supporting the Work

2006-10-23 Thread William Stephan
Dale!  the suspension thing is the ticket, don't know why I never thought of 
it.  The house actually has some mighty impressive I-beams holding things up, 
and I believe I can hang something with rollers on the bottom of the beams.  I 
'll make a mineaturized block-and-tackle, and that should work very well.  
Thanks for the idea.


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


-Original Message-
From: Dale Leavens[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10/23/06 5:25:01 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Supporting the Work

This won't help you too much but this week Canadian Tire has roller stands 
on sale for under ten bucks.

I have a couple, I am of a couple of minds about them. These ones have a 
pipe with horizontal pipe across the bottom and a similar parallel flat 
steel bent up at the ends with a roller across. A second inverted 'T' hinged 
from a cuff that fits around the main pipe and can be slid up and down and 
tightened into place with a hand knob on a bolt.I paid nearly fifty bucks 
for mine a couple of years ago.

The height is infinitely variable from something like 30 to 42 inches. I use 
mine to catch stock coming off my table saw or jointer or drum sander and 
could use it with the drill press too I suppose, just never have.

My main complaint is that if the board nudges the roller stand it often 
prefers to fall over rather than raise the board over the top.

My hero Norm Abrams has made one, a sort of box within a box with a threaded 
rod to be screwed up or down to set the height. He made a set of rollers on 
the top using plastic plumbing pipe with wooden circles in the ends and rod 
through. I am thinking that a very slight slope toward the approaching work 
might catch the end and tilt on a pivot to level and it would be secure 
against falling over.

There is little worse than having to depend on something innately 
undependable.

I have been known to suspend the end of a long piece from a rope attached to 
the overhead joists.


Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.


- Original Message - 
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To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 3:10 PM
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Supporting the Work


 Yesterday, I got to spend a considerable amount of time in my basement 
 cutting and drilling in preparation for building a workbench.  The floor 
 is about five inches higher at the base of three of the walls than it is 
 in the center where there is a drain.  This can present some challenges, 
 but  I like it just the same.  But I digress.

 My wife is a woman of many talents, some of which have to do with music. 
 She has a studio, and several adjustable music stands.

 Yesterday,  I borrowed one of these to use while I was sawing and 
 running my drill press.  It worked amazingly well quite frankly, and it 
 was sturdier than I had thought.  It was easily adjustable, and because of 
 the sloping floor, I could make minor changes by just moving  it an inch 
 or two in one direction or another.

 Any of you folks have different and maybe better ways of supporting work?

 Thanks for any other ideas.



 Bill Stephan
 Kansas City, MO
 (816)803-2469
 William Stephan



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] leaf blowers

2006-10-24 Thread William Stephan
Victor, that's how Bill Stephan
I handle leaves.  And, you can buy an extension hose for a shopvac for not too 
much money.  It beats carrying a blower, and it works well for me.
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
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Hi David,

Don't some shop vacs come with a blower feature?

I have one from a company called Rigid, and it's got an intake and output 
port and it blows as well as it sucks,

Since you're going with an electric blower, maybe you should consider that 
when you blow the stuff into a corner, or where ever you need to blow it, 
you might have to pick it up after it's been blown.

Why bend over with rakes, shovels and stuff like that, hurting your back, 
when you can just have the crap come to you, via the same hose you just blew 
through.

Sorry if I sound like a used car sales man there.

Think I'd do well on late night infomercials?

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[BlindHandyMan] Furnace filters

2006-10-25 Thread William Stephan
We had a visit from the contractor who does PMs on our heating and cooling 
equipment this morning.  The technician found nothing wrong, except that the 
furnace filter was in the slot backwards.  I've always wondered about whether 
there was a right or wrong direction to place these, but I can't for the life 
of me tell the diffference by feel.

These are just basic one inch filters with a cardboard frame.
Do any of you folks have techniques for determining this?
Thanks.
 

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Furnace filters

2006-10-25 Thread William Stephan
David, that's what I thought too, but my wife said  the tech was real insistant 
about having it right.


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


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I've always found and also been told that it didn't matter.  It's kind of a 
left or right sock issue.  
David Ferrin
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Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 10:51 AM
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Furnace filters


We had a visit from the contractor who does PMs on our heating and cooling 
equipment this morning. The technician found nothing wrong, except that the 
furnace filter was in the slot backwards. I've always wondered about whether 
there was a right or wrong direction to place these, but I can't for the life 
of me tell the diffference by feel.

These are just basic one inch filters with a cardboard frame.
Do any of you folks have techniques for determining this?
Thanks.


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan



 

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Furnace filters

2006-10-25 Thread William Stephan
Thanks Mickey,
 these are absolutely the same on both sides, so I guess I'll have to get a 
sighted person and mark them somehow and pay closer attention next time
 I buy a box.
Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
William Stephan


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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Furnace filters

Some of the filters have some sort of reinforcement on one side of them.  This 
could be a net mesh, cardboard bars, wire or plastic egg crate.  If there is 
some sort of extra reinforcement on one side that is not on the other, this is 
the discharge side of the filter (toward the furnace blower).  This helps keep 
the filter from collapsing as it gets loaded.

There are still a few filters out there that seem to be the same on both sides. 
 I'm not sure why it makes a difference which way these are to be installed.


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  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:51 AM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Furnace filters


  We had a visit from the contractor who does PMs on our heating and cooling 
equipment this morning. The technician found nothing wrong, except that the 
furnace filter was in the slot backwards. I've always wondered about whether 
there was a right or wrong direction to place these, but I can't for the life 
of me tell the diffference by feel.

  These are just basic one inch filters with a cardboard frame.
  Do any of you folks have techniques for determining this?
  Thanks.


  Bill Stephan
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[BlindHandyMan] Dipsticks

2006-10-26 Thread William Stephan
Well, it's xmas in October here, I got the air compressor from Harbor Freight 
yesterday.  It needed some assembly, but it was pretty straight forward as 
these things go.  The thing takes something like 25 ounces of motor oil, and as 
a convenience to the sighted, there's a viewing window 
To more easily facilitate keeping the oil level right.  Of course, that means 
there's no dipstick.  So, can any of you folks suggest good material to make a 
dipstick with?  I'm thinking pipe cleaners, but that's just my first guess.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dipsticks

2006-10-26 Thread William Stephan
Ron! Great idea.  No, they just say to maintain the right level.



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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Dipsticks

Bill,
What ise is a soda straw or small diameter flexible hose.  Insert it into 
the fill hole start blowing into it while lowering.  When you hear bubbles, 
stop and mark with tape.  Next time if you goe below the tape line you need 
some.  Do your directions call for a oil change after the first hundred 
hours of running like mine did?  Yeah I know a little difficult to figure 
when that magic number has ran, but I would think that is approximate.
Ron
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Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Dipsticks


 Well, it's xmas in October here, I got the air compressor from Harbor 
 Freight yesterday.  It needed some assembly, but it was pretty straight 
 forward as these things go.  The thing takes something like 25 ounces of 
 motor oil, and as a convenience to the sighted, there's a viewing window
 To more easily facilitate keeping the oil level right.  Of course, that 
 means there's no dipstick.  So, can any of you folks suggest good material 
 to make a dipstick with?  I'm thinking pipe cleaners, but that's just my 
 first guess.

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] furnace filters revisited

2006-10-27 Thread William Stephan
I talked to a friend of mine who is truly an expert on heating and cooling 
plants, and he says there is definitely a right and a wrong way to position 
them.  Guess it's time to start labeling these.

that even though some filters feel the same on both sides, 

Bill Stephan
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Subject: [BlindHandyMan] furnace filters revisited

Given the recent discussion on this topic yesterday I did take a quick and 
more in-depth look at the new filter system that is now installed on my 
furnace since the central air conditioning was put in here.  I hadn't 
noticed but the filter does have something like a plastic type of thing on 
the bottom according to the way it's slid in there.  I always handled those 
things by the edges and I guess that's why it escaped my notice before. 
Obviously the plastic side seems to go facing the fan motor.  So thanks to 
who ever it was that brought this up in the first place.
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] door stopper

2006-10-30 Thread William Stephan
Brice, you adtually have a bar in your house, as in, a saloon?  I'm impressed 
and I'd spend a lot of time there too.  I mean, what passes for the bar in my 
house is three big rubber-made containers stacked on top of each other in the 
basement with a workmate to sit on.



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For a couple of bucks, I went to home depot and bought me a door stopper 
that I screwed to the bottom of the door.  This way I couldn't lose it.  The 
door leading out the side of the garage to the back has a metal security 
door, so I leave the inter door open all the time.  But before I put the 
door stopper, every time we'd open the automatic garage door the side door 
would slam shut, and scare the hell out of me.  Where that side door is, is 
where my  Ham Shack is, and my bar.  I spend allot of time in there, so the 
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[BlindHandyMan] Trim

2006-10-30 Thread William Stephan
Folks:

I have a table top made out of a piece of 3/4 plywood that I want to put some 
trim around for aesthetic reasons only.  I plan on using quarter round for 
this, but I have no clue what I'm doing since I've never tried this before.  

I understand I can use either brads or finishing nails for this.  What exactly 
is a brad, and how does it differ from a finishing nail.  
If I use finishing nails, I know I have to use a nail set to seat them below 
the surface of the wood.  Are there different sizes of nail sets available, and 
how are the sizes expressed.  I have a couple nail sets, but they look too big 
for finishing nails, to me at least.

If I use brads, what kind of tool do I need to seat them, and are there 
different sizes of that tool and how would those sizes be expressed?



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[BlindHandyMan] Railings

2006-10-30 Thread William Stephan
My wife and I are both blind and live in a house with an oddly made walkway 
between the street and the front door. Recently too, we've been having guests 
who are also visually impaired. 
Basically, as you leave the front door, there's a set of three high steps of 
different heights.  Then, there's maybe fifteen feet of sloping sidewalk 
leading to another set of three steps of different heights.

My wife has determined that there shall henceforth be a railing at least on the 
two sets of steps, and perhaps along the connecting sidewalk as well. 

I'm in the process of figuring out whether I want to tackle this myself or 
contract it out.  The railings I've put up in the past have been more 
decorative than functional, and they were fastened to the concrete with one of 
those stud drivers.  

So, a couple questions for folks with experience doing this.  

Does the irregularity of the step height present a serious problem?

Am I going to have to cement the posts in to make this really stable?

If we decide to leave the connecting sidewalk railingless, we want to put some 
kind of detectable warning at the top of the second set of steps.  Any of you 
know how difficult it is to use those little truncated domes on concrete?

Thanks ahead of time for your thoughts.

 
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Trim

2006-10-30 Thread William Stephan

That's an excellent idea Mickey, and I can avoid cutting angles too.  
Thanks again.



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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Trim

Bill,

You can use quarter round, if you want, but you might want to consider screen 
mold instead.  It comes in a 3/4 inch width to match your top thickness and is 
about 1/4 thick with rounded edges.  It works very nicely to finish off 
plywood edges.

To answer your question, wire brads are simply very small finish nails.  They 
come in various sizes, but are much smaller than finish nails.  You do use a 
nail set to just put their head below the surface, so that you can install 
putty to fill the holes.  There are nail sets with many different size ends to 
use according to the nails being set.

Good Luck.


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  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 10:29 AM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Trim


  Folks:

  I have a table top made out of a piece of 3/4 plywood that I want to put some 
trim around for aesthetic reasons only. I plan on using quarter round for this, 
but I have no clue what I'm doing since I've never tried this before. 

  I understand I can use either brads or finishing nails for this. What exactly 
is a brad, and how does it differ from a finishing nail. 
  If I use finishing nails, I know I have to use a nail set to seat them below 
the surface of the wood. Are there different sizes of nail sets available, and 
how are the sizes expressed. I have a couple nail sets, but they look too big 
for finishing nails, to me at least.

  If I use brads, what kind of tool do I need to seat them, and are there 
different sizes of that tool and how would those sizes be expressed?

  Bill Stephan
  Kansas City, MO
  (816)803-2469
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Trim

2006-10-31 Thread William Stephan
Thanks Ron, I didn't know about the stripping and I believe my wife has an iron 
I could borrow.



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Bill,
There is also a thin, almost veneer, birch stripping that comes in rolls of 
various width.  It has glue on it you put it on the edge and run a hot 
cloths iron over it which melts the glue.  After it sets the excess is cut 
off with a utility knife, razor blade or sanded.  It actually works pretty 
slick.  I would use the one inch for the 3/4 plywood. .  Almost a must if 
the plywood is birch.
Ron
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 Folks:

 I have a table top made out of a piece of 3/4 plywood that I want to put 
 some trim around for aesthetic reasons only.  I plan on using quarter 
 round for this, but I have no clue what I'm doing since I've never tried 
 this before.

 I understand I can use either brads or finishing nails for this.  What 
 exactly is a brad, and how does it differ from a finishing nail.
 If I use finishing nails, I know I have to use a nail set to seat them 
 below the surface of the wood.  Are there different sizes of nail sets 
 available, and how are the sizes expressed.  I have a couple nail sets, 
 but they look too big for finishing nails, to me at least.

 If I use brads, what kind of tool do I need to seat them, and are there 
 different sizes of that tool and how would those sizes be expressed?



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[BlindHandyMan] Measuring inside diameters

2006-11-16 Thread William Stephan
I just received what looks to be a pretty nice vise from Harbor Freight.  The 
manual was so detailed in how to operate a vise it was sort of humorous.  They 
failed though to mention the right size bolts to use to mount the thing, which 
would have been more useful than say knowing that you turned the handle 
clockwise to tighten.

Anyway, I plan on using my trusty drill index to measure, but was wondering if 
any of you had a better suggestion that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

Thanks in advance.


Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring inside diameters

2006-11-16 Thread William Stephan
Rob, yeah, that's what I'll do.  But, I need to know what size bolts to use, so 
have to measure the o/d of the holes in the mounting plate of the vise.




Bill Stephan
Kansas City, MO
(816)803-2469
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hi, Can't you just use a al or some thing and mark where the holes go by 
sitting the vice on the bench or what ever you are going to mount it on and 
just use the al and mark the holds???
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  Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:20 PM
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring inside diameters


  I just received what looks to be a pretty nice vise from Harbor Freight. The 
manual was so detailed in how to operate a vise it was sort of humorous. They 
failed though to mention the right size bolts to use to mount the thing, which 
would have been more useful than say knowing that you turned the handle 
clockwise to tighten.

  Anyway, I plan on using my trusty drill index to measure, but was wondering 
if any of you had a better suggestion that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

  Thanks in advance.

  Bill Stephan
  Kansas City, MO
  (816)803-2469
  William Stephan



   

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring inside diameters

2006-11-17 Thread William Stephan
Thanks Dale, I hadn't thought about bringing the bit, but that might be easier 
than counting.
 

Bill Stephan
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(816)803-2469
William Stephan


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Generally I slip drill bits through until I find one about the size I 
require then either identify it or bring it along to buy always assuming the 
size is all that critical. For something like mounting a vice, something 
close is probably good enough provided the vice won't creep.



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Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Measuring inside diameters


I just received what looks to be a pretty nice vise from Harbor Freight. 
The manual was so detailed in how to operate a vise it was sort of 
humorous.  They failed though to mention the right size bolts to use to 
mount the thing, which would have been more useful than say knowing that 
you turned the handle clockwise to tighten.

 Anyway, I plan on using my trusty drill index to measure, but was 
 wondering if any of you had a better suggestion that doesn't cost an arm 
 and a leg.

 Thanks in advance.


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 Kansas City, MO
 (816)803-2469
 William Stephan



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] gutter guards

2006-11-28 Thread William Stephan
Brice, I have these on parts of my house, and I can't see any reason a blind 
guy couldn't attach them.  I had considered putting them on all my gutters, but 
according to most of the folks I asked about this, they don't work very well on 
steeply pitched gutters which I have.


Bill Stephan
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David, leaves filling my gutter is my main concern .  Sunday, my wife had me 
out there hanging Christmas lights.  I told her before I hung any lights, I 
had to clean the gutters out because they were filled with leaves.  As far 
as the downspout goes.  A old damn rubber pots and pans scrubber placed in 
front of the down spout will keep debris from clogging that up.  So 
essentially I need something that sits on top of the gutters themselves, but 
at the same time are able to slip under the cement tiles allowing the water 
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[BlindHandyMan] Levels

2006-12-05 Thread William Stephan
I'm sure I've seen messages about this before, but can somebody point me to a 
reliable easy-to-use carpenter's level.  I bought one from the NFB folks and it 
and I have just never bonded well at all.  Everytime I want to use it, either 
the batteries are dead or I can't get the thing to turn on, or it simply acts 
spastic.  Does anybody use a mechanical device, say like a ball bearing in a 
track or channel?

Thanks.


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] soaldering

2006-12-13 Thread William Stephan
Tom, I read the Smith Kettlewell files, and they were very informative.  For 
some reason, I had the idea that folks used hemostats to solder with.  How 
likely is it that a fire could start from hot solder?


Bill Stephan
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All great stuff Spiro,
Also if putting stranded wires into crimpte terminals or under screws they
do much better if tinned well before hand, just wrap the slightly twisted
stranded stripped end witha few turns of solder and bring the iron
up from underneath the end, hold till your fingers get hot, then
remove the iron whilst flipping the wire downward sharply to remove excess
solder. Assure you're bare toes or guide dog or any other vulnerable parts
are not under ther when flipping.

Tom




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Re: [BlindHandyMan] soaldering

2006-12-14 Thread William Stephan
Tom, thanks, soldering is a skill I never acquired.  I have a reasonable 
facsimile of a workshop now though, and a soldering gun, so sometime during 
this Winter, I want to try and learn a little about doing it.


Bill Stephan
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Bill,
We're glad you enjoyed the magazines.

We use hemostats as holders of parts that are being removed or things that 
just won't stay put.

with the exception of the JA3TBW solder guide, nothing should get between the
solder and your fingers, the sensative manipulation of the solder
and the feedback through it of melting and heat is critical to good work.

I suppose if you dripped hot solder into shredded paper or fluffy kindling 
or somesuch it might burn, or of course any flamable liquids, but usually
there isn't enough mass of solder splattering about to heat anything up
enough to get it going.  

Working over carpet is a no-no cause the solder will stick to the pile or 
possibly melt some synthetics.  Worked over wood, and vinal type floors etc.
with no problems.

Using reasonable safety procedures should be fine.

particularly if you're low vision and insist on getting your face close
to the work, which we discourage strongly! splatters can burn your eyes badly.

Wear safety goggles!

Tom




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Re: [BlindHandyMan] soaldering

2006-12-14 Thread William Stephan
Tom, I know the preferred tool is an iron, but can you talk a bit about tinning 
procedures with a gun?

Thanks, I assume
There are some different techniques needed.

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Spiro,
NO, you want the iron to remain tinned with some solder while
it's sitting just being hot, this keeps the tip from oxidizing
and thus refusing to transfer heat any more.

when you pick it up, you dip it in a special spongue that's wet.
This removes oxidized solder and leaves you with a clean tip to
re-tinn as you do the next joint.

this cleaning tinning process is absolutely vital to good, hot,
fast, safe soldering.


Absolutely vital.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] soaldering with a gun,

2006-12-15 Thread William Stephan
 Tom, I can't remember ever noticing anyone use a spongue when soldering, 
probably because the folks I've been around who soldered didn't really know 
what they were doing.  So, is there a special spongue I need to buy or will a 
standard dish or kitchen spongue work?

Thanks.


Bill Stephan
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bill,
Not really different except I just do a heat and spongue and
tin cycle once every few joints.

since the gun doesn't stay hot like an iron, there isn't the
continuous oxidation.  Usually when you do a joint you get some
new solder on the tip, so it's tinned.  Once in a while it's good
to clean it off in the spongue and tin it again by just heating
it up and touching the solder to it, or by wrapping a couple
turns of solder round the cold tip and heating it, then giving
it's
handle a bump on the table to shake off the extra.  Make sure it
gets tinned before you finish for the day.

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] air hose tip

2006-12-18 Thread William Stephan
Good to know Lenny about the teflon.  I have a rubber hose as well, and because 
the compresser isnot close to my workbench, I wound up suspending it from the 
rafters.Bill Stephan
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Subject: [BlindHandyMan] air hose tip

Hi All,
I have a friend who is a certified pipe fitter. When I was putting my air 
compressor together and making air lines he came over.
The first thing that he recommended was that I do away with the plastic type 
air hose and get a good rubber one from a auto parts place.
This hose is very flexible. Now  when he put on the quick disconnect couplers 
he used both Teflon tape and a gas line paste.
Now he told me to be very careful to keep the tape and paste at least 3 threads 
back  from the end. Any closer there is a chance that a small piece of the tape 
or paste could end up in your nail gun causing a big repair.
Lenny http://www.geocities.com/lenny_mchugh/

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Air Tools

2006-12-18 Thread William Stephan
Yep same thing.  And, I misposted, mine is a 3/8 not a 1/2 inch.  
Up until now, I've only had rechargeable drills, and not high end ones at that, 
and invariably, they'd quit on me in the middle of something I was working on.  
So, since I bought the compresser, I decided to buy an air rather than an 
electric drill, and I like it very much.


Bill Stephan
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Bill
is an air drill just what it says? Just like an electric or chordless,
drill, only driven with air?
also could I get a 3/8th drill and what would be the advantage of a 1/2 over
a 3/8?
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  I have a 1/2 inch air drill I really like, and if you work with wood at
all, I'd highly recommend a nailer, probably a brad rather than a framing
one. I bought one from Harbor Freight a couple months back for under $20 and
I don't see how I ever got by without one.

  Bill Stephan
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  (816)803-2469
  William Stephan

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  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Air Tools

  Hi
  I have an air compressor and the following tools. I have an air impact
such
  as for changing tires. I also have a nosle for airing up tires and a nosle
  for blowing off dust and so on.
  I know that there a lot of differant kinds of air tools I can get but my
  question for the group would be, If I were going to get only one more air
  tool what would be the most useful.
  I am not too fermiliar with a lot of air tools so if you could tell me
what
  are some of your favorite air tools and what they are most used for that
  would be great.



  


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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Air Compressors

2006-12-22 Thread William Stephan
Thanks for this Ray.


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] getting started in wood working

2007-01-09 Thread William Stephan
Scott:

John's done a nice job of describing the thing.  On mine, the measuring nut is 
actually an oblong, which makes it quicker to use.  I have both the rotomatic 
and 
 the click ruler, and both are invaluable.  I tend generally, to use the 
rotomatic for setting measurements, say preparatory to cutting, and the click 
ruler for measuring things, simply because it's much quicker.

Bill Stephan
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Thanks Dale, but this might be a stupid question. How do you know  
what the measurement actually is. I haven't seen one of these so am  
making some assumptions based on what I've read. My understanding is  
that you have a nut and a locking nut which I can only assume keeps  
the moving nut in place once set. So, I understand these are threaded  
rods and for each turn of the nut equals a measurement, i.e. half  
turn might be 1/16 of an inch etc. Since there are no tactual  
markings, how can you be sure you only turned it a half turn and not  
a half plus another 1/16? Perhaps I'm making much out of nothing, but  
I guess my understanding might be a little off or there's somethng  
I'm missing. I'm very interested in this because accurate  
measurements is a must and I can't tell you the number of baseboards  
for example I've screwed up because my measurement was off a little.
I'll post a question on this subject in another message, but any  
comments etc. on this Rotomatic ruller is very much appreciated. I  
dont' mind spending the money if the tool is truly worth its weight  
in gold. I've got a number of project I want to start working on so  
this is timely.

tnx


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] question

2007-01-09 Thread William Stephan
I'm not sure this is the same thing, but I tried using what are called zip 
saw blades or bits I guess a wh`ile back, and it was a disaster.  I even tried 
using them in a drill press with a fence, and even then, couldn't come close to 
cutting straight.  I think this is a vision thang for sure.


Bill Stephan
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They aren't very friendly for use by  a blind person.  They really need to be 
used with a jig by a blind person.  The rotary action of the cutter makes the 
tool want to pull strongly in one direction.

It might work for you, but it would depend on the task you want to perform.  
Without knowing exactly what you want to do with it, I can't help you much more.
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  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] question


  can anyone advise me on or about spiral saws 

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] question

2007-01-09 Thread William Stephan
Lewis:
How would you follow a line with your hand and not mangle your fingers on the 
blade or bit?  The bits I used were pretty unforgiving.



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spiral saws can be used by a blind or visually impaired person with the  
following recommended technique. I use a spiral saw now and again when I don't  
have the time to start the bandsaw. 
 
when cutting awkward shapes in materials with a spiral saw, use a scribe or  
blade to mark the way so you can feel the cut. then align the cutter with the  
start of the line and gently feed in. with your thumb or finger, follow the  
scribe line while running the machine through the material slowly.
 
simple job. there's no such tool that's not blind unfriendly. its just  
patience and a good workaround for it.
 
as for setting up table saws for zero mode or square set. you often feel  the 
print of the angle read out as it is raised slightly. you can feel the  
critical points and slowly adjust the angle and locate to zero.
 
most standard table saws run left angled but certain saws can run both left  
and right. but they can be set.  I had one table saw which had no markings  to 
feel so  went to a local metalworker's and asked for a 2 inch  by 1  inch 
thick block of metal by about 12 inches. then align the block to the blade  
while 
the machine is OFF. and you will feel the block sets straight with the  blade.
 
problem solved.
 
lew
 
there's no such thing as cant. if you say that you usually find me  breathing 
down your neck saying try again.


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] question

2007-01-09 Thread William Stephan

Lewis:  

I don't understand why a tool that can cut curves can't cut a straight line as 
well.  I have sighted friends who rave about zip saws but they mark up their 
wood.  One friend in particular uses his for cutting square holes in walls for  
 
Switchas etc. And certainly those are straight lines.
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lets get this issue fixed guys
 
spiral saws are NOT designed for cutting straight or paralell lines in  
anyway these are designed for curve cutting or roundings or specific work. and  
they run at 30,000 RPM so can jurk out of the hand. or burn the material being  
cut. if you are trimming down boards or edging then please use a high quality  
circular saw with the guide fence at the side and the blade set  so that  you 
have enough blade to cover the cut but not so much that the blade is over  
exposed.
 
I recommend something like a bosch professional circular saw 9 inch if its  
heavy duty use. take out the blade that comes with it and buy a trend hyper  
blade. they use a unique blade structure and the higher the kerf of the blade  
(cuts per blade or teeth / sub teeth) the smoother the cut and the more 
reliable  the machine is and won't throw a wobbler while cutting materials. 
 
site saw benches have about 24 teeth on a blade and when you send materials  
in it can kick back and cause problems. not to mention an accident. if you 
stick  to a  pro quality blade then you're happy. 
 
I own a HILTI 9 inch circular saw. this is going to be sold along with the  
rest of the workshop etc. it has a trend hyper XTC blade with 88 teeth with  a  
inverted backside per tooth aiding in the  material removal and  the  
minimization of effort applied on the machine.
 
these cheep circular saws always have crap blades and are horrible.   and 
pull back, jam or cause nasty accidents. the better the quality of the saw,  
you 
should invest in the best blade.
 
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Chop saw hold-downs.

2007-01-11 Thread William Stephan
Dale, the chin is used to turn the pilot wheel on a drill press so you can get 
a bit snug enough to measure properly.  I thought everyone knew this.


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.That is all very well I suppose but then what is the point of having a chin?
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.
. All kidding aside I line up the board as best as I can and then I use my
. left elbow with my left arm draped over the saw I use my left hand to line
. upt the mark on the board with the blade and with my rite hand I move the
. stock to where I need it. Then when it is set I can drop the blade once 
. more
. with my left hand and double check the mark with my rite hand. Hope this
. description makes some sence.
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. WOW! You guys are a wealth of information. That's why I love this list
. so much. Using your chin as a hold down for your mitre saw. FANTASTIC!
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Oiling Your Air Tools for Longer Life.

2007-01-14 Thread William Stephan
How big are these inline filters physically?  I use a blow gun quite
often, so I certainly wouldn't want an oiler on my compresser outlet.
 
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From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 10:12 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Oiling Your Air Tools for Longer Life.
 
You can buy in-line oilers too if you like, don't instal one in a line
that 
is likely to be used for a paint sprayer. Some can be installed right at
the 
tool, useful for wrenches and chisels and sanders and drills and such,
not 
probably necessary for most nailers.

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Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Oiling Your Air Tools for Longer Life.

 Thanks Ray, this was really useful.


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 Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 11:00 PM
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 Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Oiling Your Air Tools for Longer Life.

 Hi All
 I have just completed a complete service on all my Air Tools so i
 thought
 this might be a good subject to Post an Article On.
 Have you Air Tools, when was the last time you Oiled the Internal
Parts?
 Most people know that cars need an oil change every 3,000 miles. I'd
 also
 say that most people don't change their oil quite that often. But most
 of us
 understand
 that the pistons generate a lot of friction inside of a car motor, and
 the
 rings wear out faster without proper lubrication. So what's that have
to
 do
 with air tools? A lot.

 Inside of an air tool, there are pistons and rings as well. The rings
 aren't
 metal like they are in a car motor - instead they're rubber o-rings.
But
 the
 piston itself still needs some lubrication. It is essential that the
 metal
 to metal surfaces get something slippery between them so that they
don't

 generate
 excessive heat and friction, which would cause premature wear.

 Oiling an air tool is pretty simple. Before you use it, just add a
 couple of
 drops of
 air tool oil
 to the tool through the air fitting. For tools that get used once
every
 now
 and then, just once before using it for the day is good enough. If it
is
 a
 tool
 getting heavy use, it would be a good idea to add a few drops a few
 times
 through the day.

 Filtered Air Fitting
 Most air tools don't require a filter, and most don't include one, but
 it is
 such a good idea that Coilhose Pneumatics came out with that we're
 recommending
 them for everyone. A few manufacturers, such as
 Milwaukee nailers
 and
 Max Tools,
 are including filters on the tools themselves. For everyone else,
adding
 a
 filtered air fitting
 can keep dust and debris out of the piston chamber.

 Again, automobiles use air filters to keep dirt and rocks out of the
 combustion chamber and away from the moving pistons. Air tools have a
 similar piston
 setup, so keeping dirt and debris out of the chamber of an air tool is
 just
 as important. Air compressors include filters for the incoming air,
but
 some
 dirt will still make its way through and into the hose. For under $10,
 these
 filters are an inexpensive insurance policy for a long too life.

 Once you install one, you just need to remove the hose every so often
to
 let
 the pressure inside the tool release and blow out the filter. They
don't

 need
 to be replaced every 10,000 nails or so many miles of shingles. The
 fitting
 will keep working just fine if you allow it to get blown out every few
 uses.
 Of course, most air tools get disconnected fairly often anyway so it
 shouldn't ever be something you'll need to think about.

 Teflon Thread Sealing Tape
 Teflon tape for air fittings
 Not really maintenance, but still a necessary item is
 teflon tape.
 Taping your air fittings seals the threads, which prevents leaks and
 makes
 your compressor run less frequently. Less frequent running will lead
to
 longer
 life, but it also means there is less of a chance that it'll pull more
 dirt
 in to blow into your air tool.

 The tape seems simple enough, but applying it properly is really an
art
 form.

 Basically, all you really need to do is get 2 - 3 full clockwise wraps
 around the threads. Clockwise makes it so that as you screw the
fitting
 in
 it doesn't
 come off, the 2 - 3 wraps gets just enough thickness so it'll properly
 seal
 without being so thick that it won't fully screw in.
 What Oil should I Use.
 The Oil

RE: [BlindHandyMan] Oiling Your Air Tools for Longer Life.

2007-01-14 Thread William Stephan
Lenny, how do you measure drops?  This has been something I've always
had trouble doing, and I definitely over-oil things consistently.
 
 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lenny McHugh
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 9:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Oiling Your Air Tools for Longer Life.
 
Hi Ray and Bill,
I know that I do over oil my brad nailer. I had my wife read the manual
for 
oiling. and the nailer that I have calls for one drop for every 1,000
nails.
Since I do not use it every day and probably have not shot 1,000 brads
since 
I have the gun I know I over oil it.
Occasionally some oil sprays out with the first one or two brads which
lets 
me know it is over oiled. I try not to get more than two drops every few

weeks.
Lenny

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Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 9:22 PM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Oiling Your Air Tools for Longer Life.

Thanks Ray, this was really useful.

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Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 11:00 PM
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Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Oiling Your Air Tools for Longer Life.

Hi All
I have just completed a complete service on all my Air Tools so i
thought
this might be a good subject to Post an Article On.
Have you Air Tools, when was the last time you Oiled the Internal Parts?
Most people know that cars need an oil change every 3,000 miles. I'd
also
say that most people don't change their oil quite that often. But most
of us
understand
that the pistons generate a lot of friction inside of a car motor, and
the
rings wear out faster without proper lubrication. So what's that have to
do
with air tools? A lot.

Inside of an air tool, there are pistons and rings as well. The rings
aren't
metal like they are in a car motor - instead they're rubber o-rings. But
the
piston itself still needs some lubrication. It is essential that the
metal
to metal surfaces get something slippery between them so that they don't

generate
excessive heat and friction, which would cause premature wear.

Oiling an air tool is pretty simple. Before you use it, just add a
couple of
drops of
air tool oil
to the tool through the air fitting. For tools that get used once every
now
and then, just once before using it for the day is good enough. If it is
a
tool
getting heavy use, it would be a good idea to add a few drops a few
times
through the day.

Filtered Air Fitting
Most air tools don't require a filter, and most don't include one, but
it is
such a good idea that Coilhose Pneumatics came out with that we're
recommending
them for everyone. A few manufacturers, such as
Milwaukee nailers
and
Max Tools,
are including filters on the tools themselves. For everyone else, adding
a
filtered air fitting
can keep dust and debris out of the piston chamber.

Again, automobiles use air filters to keep dirt and rocks out of the
combustion chamber and away from the moving pistons. Air tools have a
similar piston
setup, so keeping dirt and debris out of the chamber of an air tool is
just
as important. Air compressors include filters for the incoming air, but
some
dirt will still make its way through and into the hose. For under $10,
these
filters are an inexpensive insurance policy for a long too life.

Once you install one, you just need to remove the hose every so often to
let
the pressure inside the tool release and blow out the filter. They don't

need
to be replaced every 10,000 nails or so many miles of shingles. The
fitting
will keep working just fine if you allow it to get blown out every few
uses.
Of course, most air tools get disconnected fairly often anyway so it
shouldn't ever be something you'll need to think about.

Teflon Thread Sealing Tape
Teflon tape for air fittings
Not really maintenance, but still a necessary item is
teflon tape.
Taping your air fittings seals the threads, which prevents leaks and
makes
your compressor run less frequently. Less frequent running will lead to
longer
life, but it also means there is less of a chance that it'll pull more
dirt
in to blow into your air tool.

The tape seems simple enough, but applying it properly is really an art
form.

Basically, all you really need to do is get 2 - 3 full clockwise wraps
around the threads. Clockwise makes it so that as you screw the fitting
in
it doesn't
come off, the 2 - 3 wraps gets just enough thickness so it'll properly
seal
without being so thick that it won't fully screw in.
What Oil should I Use.
The Oil That. is Specially engineered for the care of all piston-type
and
rotary air tools
. Provides

Re: [BlindHandyMan] lights on or off

2007-01-16 Thread William Stephan
Lenny: you could buy one of those keychain light probes from somebody like ILA. 
 They're cheap, and they can be used anywhere, not just on one circuit.

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.
.Hi, Why don't you get one of the light sockets that screws into the light 
socket that has plugs in it then plug a radio into it leave it on just enough 
so you can hear it..
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.  From: Lenny McHugh 
.  To: Handyman-Blind 
.  Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:53 AM
.  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] lights on or off
.
.
.  Hi All,
.  I am looking for a simple solution to the problem of knowing if the basement 
lights are on or off.
.  Some days I can detect if the light is on but not all of the time.
.  Years ago I had a neat smoke detector that screwed into a light socket and 
the bulb then screwed into this detector. The unit had rechargeable batteries. 
Whenever you turned on the light the unit would beep letting you know it was 
charging. I haven't seen any of them in years. Is there some alarm that will 
beep when the lights are turned on?
.
.  Lenny http://www.geocities.com/lenny_mchugh/
.
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] lights on or off

2007-01-16 Thread William Stephan
I think I once had something very similar, mmade by telephone pioneers for the 
blind
 I think.  As you say 
It was great for using with multiline telephones, but not something you'd want 
to carry around.  The new ones are about the size of a Zippo.
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.
.Hi Bill,
.Thanks for the tip.
.My light probe was made about 30 years ago by science products for the 
.blind. The unit is about the size of a pack of  There is a probe with a 
.button that plugs into the main unit. Works well but is very inconvenient. 
.It was great for my first use. We had multi line phones at work and I could 
.use this probe to tell what line was blinking, solid or not in use. I could 
.also use to read the leds on my computer conversion box.
.I will have to see if they are still in business. I haven't talked to DR. 
.Bennom in many years. He was friends with an old ham radio operator friend 
.of mine.
.They had some great products at the time. Just remembered that the unit I 
.have was called light sensor on a probe. It also worked as a continuity 
.tester.
.
.Lenny
.
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.
.Lenny: you could buy one of those keychain light probes from somebody like 
.ILA.  They're cheap, and they can be used anywhere, not just on one circuit.
.
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..Hi, Why don't you get one of the light sockets that screws into the light 
.socket that has plugs in it then plug a radio into it leave it on just 
.enough so you can hear it..
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..  From: Lenny McHugh
..  To: Handyman-Blind
..  Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:53 AM
..  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] lights on or off
..
..
..  Hi All,
..  I am looking for a simple solution to the problem of knowing if the 
.basement lights are on or off.
..  Some days I can detect if the light is on but not all of the time.
..  Years ago I had a neat smoke detector that screwed into a light socket 
.and the bulb then screwed into this detector. The unit had rechargeable 
.batteries. Whenever you turned on the light the unit would beep letting you 
.know it was charging. I haven't seen any of them in years. Is there some 
.alarm that will beep when the lights are turned on?
..
..  Lenny http://www.geocities.com/lenny_mchugh/
..
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] instructions for wiring up a generator

2007-01-19 Thread William Stephan
A lot of people who use generators near where I live just backfeed to an 
outdoor outlet with cable having two plugs on it.  And yes, the disconnect 
switch is a must.  Mine's outside as I think arre most others in the 
neighborhood.


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.
.I have no doubt at all that you are absolutely correct.  I'm just doing some 
.fact finding is all, thank you.
.David Ferrin
.I believe that tomorrow is another day, and I'll probably screw that one up 
.too.
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.
.I have a portable generator large enough to supply power to my whole house.
.It is connected to my main electrical panel through a receptacle on the
.exterior of my house and a special disconnect switch in the basement.  The
.power supplied by my electrical utility which comes in from the street is
.connected to my main panel through this disconnect switch.  The emergency
.power supplied by my generator is also connected to the main panel through
.this disconnect switch.  This switch has 3 positions.  When the handle on
.the side of the switch box is pushed all the way up, power flows to the
.panel from the utility.  When this handle is placed in the down position
.power from the street is disconnected and emergency power from the generator
.flows to the panel. When this handle is placed in the neutral or middle
.position no power flows to the panel from either the street or the
.generator.  When we experience a power outage, I drag the generator out of
.the garage and connect it to the receptacle on the back wall of my house
.with a heavy 4 wire cord, start the engine and pull the handle on the
.disconnect switch into the down position and voila let their be light and
.power.  If you power any of the electrical circuits in your home with a
.generator, It is absolutely essential to install a switch to disconnect your
.electrical panel from the transmission cables in the street to protect
.utility workers from electrocution hazards caused by current flowing back in
.to the lines from your emergency generator.
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. here as of yet so I'm putting it out for discussion.  Does anybody have
. instructions for hooking up a generator? If so please share them with the
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] removeing rivits

2007-01-22 Thread William Stephan
Max, the steel cup you're thinking about sounds very much like the tools
they sell for seating tap rivets.  The one I have is maybe two and a
half inches long.  It might be a half inch or so in diameter.  It's
nothing but a bar, with a cup or bowl hollowed out on one end.  You can
get these at places who sell to leather crafters for a couple of bucks.
 
 
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I had some help from my dad when I was about 13 years old and trying to 
remove tube sockets from an old radio that were riveted in. He got me a 
small steel cup, a punch and a hammer. The rivets were the type that one

side is domed and the other side has an indentation. The procedure was
to 
put the rivet over the steel cup, with the indented side up, place the
punch 
in the indentation and whack it with the hammer. It worked very well. I 
sometimes wish I still had that steel cup. Punches and hammers I can
get. 
I suppose a hole drilled in a piece of steel would work as well.

Regards.

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 can anyone give me advice on removeing rivits i don't think thair pop 
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] general electric braille typewriter

2007-01-22 Thread William Stephan
These were actually a modified IBM Model D electric typewriter.  And,
yes, you could really Braille quickly with one, and it was entirely
possible for a person with no knowledge of Braille to write in grade II
with one of these.  I never tried it, but I understand you could also
use one of them as a Braille printer with a pc.
 
 
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I can imagine some fast brailling with these. One finger to make a
letter, 
no ka chunk ca chunk ca chunk across the line. Cool!

On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Armando Del Gobbo wrote:

 Yes, Dale, they were IBM's

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 Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] general electric braille typewriter


 Hi,

 We had a couple of these when I was in high school in the latter half
of the
 '60s. They weren't General Electric I don't think, seems to me they
were IBM
 or possibly remmington. They were the type that use hammers, a
slightly soft
 roller and the paper rolled in the opposite direction so, braille was
 embossed by the hammers and turned up on the back side where you could
read
 it against what would be the paper rest in the usual arrangement.

 There were contracted braille characters on the shift. No ribbon.
Otherwise
 much the same as other production models of typewriters, of course
wider
 spacing and line spacing.

 Hope this helps.

 Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
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  Hay folks,
  One of my collector buddies snagged a general electric braille
typewriter
  from ebay. There a paucity of internet info about it, so whatever
any of
  you can tell me will be invaluable. And in case of any doubting
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  nope, this really is one, not doubt about it.
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] general electric braille typewriter

2007-01-22 Thread William Stephan
Jay, or any of you.  Has anybody seen one of the old Odhner Fascet
estimator's calculators that were adapted for Braille?  I had one of
these, and threw it out many years ago.  And, now, I want one again if I
can find it.  These were operated with a crank on the right side, and
had levers you set to input numbers rather than keys.
 
 
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From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Williams
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 3:08 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] general electric braille typewriter
 
Hay folks,
One of my collector buddies snagged a general electric braille
typewriter from ebay. There a paucity of internet info about it, so
whatever any of you can tell me will be invaluable. And in case of any
doubting Thomases, nope, this really is one, not doubt about it.
Jay
whanchataika peak, www.myspace.com/mytrombona

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] general electric braille typewriter

2007-01-22 Thread William Stephan
No, I've never used Ebay, but maybe I'll give it a shot.
 
 
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From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darla J Rogers
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 7:28 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] general electric braille typewriter
 
Really, Bill; have you looked on Abby. That sounds like a really awesome
device to have.

Darla

Darla Jean Rogers
mailto: djrogers0628@ mailto:djrogers0628%40bellsouth.net
bellsouth.net

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opportunity.--unknown

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From: William Stephan 
To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:45 PM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] general electric braille typewriter

Jay, or any of you. Has anybody seen one of the old Odhner Fascet
estimator's calculators that were adapted for Braille? I had one of
these, and threw it out many years ago. And, now, I want one again if I
can find it. These were operated with a crank on the right side, and
had levers you set to input numbers rather than keys.

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Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 3:08 PM
To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] general electric braille typewriter

Hay folks,
One of my collector buddies snagged a general electric braille
typewriter from ebay. There a paucity of internet info about it, so
whatever any of you can tell me will be invaluable. And in case of any
doubting Thomases, nope, this really is one, not doubt about it.
Jay
whanchataika peak, www.myspace.com/mytrombona

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RE: [BlindHandyMan] re: general electric braille typewriter

2007-01-28 Thread William Stephan
Wow, that's fascinating.  The only old braillers I've ever used were
made by Hall.  Does anybody know if the little Banks pocket braillers
are still available anywhere?  I guess the note-takers we have now have
probably made them irrelevant, but they were a neat little machine.
 
 
-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Williams
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:51 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] re: general electric braille typewriter
 
Hey, folks,
This message is from Richard Polt, a knowledgeable and conscienscious
collector who acquired the machine I inquired about recently. Since none
of us had heard of this one, I thought you'd be interested to hear his
observations. I've done a bit of editing and condensing from two of his
emails.
Jay

 Original Message --
From: Richard Polt [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:polt%40xavier.edu edu
Subject: Braille typewriter
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:00:53 -0500

Today I picked up the Braille writer. It's in better shape than I
thought! There is rust and dust, but it's basically functional. The
rust isn't as bad as it looked in the photos. Parts move, and will move
better when I clean it up. The electrical device is a solenoid
(electromagnet) with patent 1696615, granted Dec. 25, 1928. There's a
repair tag dated 1960, and the tag is still wrapped around a couple of
key levers, so I don't think it was ever used after that. There's
My general impression is that this is a carefully designed machine,
produced either in a factory or in a very well-equipped home workshop.
To give a rough description: when activated (I'm not clear exactly how)
the solenoid makes a hammer move towards the front of the machine,
where it meets some pins that press the paper into indentations in the
head of the hammer. Which pins are activated depends, of course, on the
configuration of the typebar that hits the pins. The carriage moves from
left to right
(backwards), as someone on the list figured out: you are making
impressions that stick out towards the back of the typewriter, so
essentially you are writing on the back of the paper and must write
from right to left. The paper is held between two rollers and goes down
into wire holders -- much as in a Hammond. The shift moves the carriage
down, not up. The typewriter used is definitely a Woodstock, faint, but
possibly serial number B48964, built between 1916 and 1920. The
actuating solenoid is patented 1929.
I am optimistic that when I
lubricate crucial parts and replace the cord, I can get this thing
working! (I also plan to remove some rust. Rust has no historical
value, I've decided.)

Thanks for your interest,
Richard
 


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RE: [BlindHandyMan] re: general electric braille typewriter

2007-01-28 Thread William Stephan
Yeah Dale, you'd think they would have something like that.  I actually
use the little templates that Howe Press sells that fit a Perkins
brailler.  They're not the best, but they're faster than either a slate
or one of those labelers.
 
 
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From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:40 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] re: general electric braille typewriter
 
I wonder that someone hasn't made a machine like the paper roll types
for 
embossing Dymo type tape and other labeling materials. Sure would be
more 
versatile than the current labeling guns and more convenient than the
small 
one line slates.

Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net net
Skype DaleLeavens
Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.

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From: William Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] re: general electric braille typewriter

 Wow, that's fascinating. The only old braillers I've ever used were
 made by Hall. Does anybody know if the little Banks pocket braillers
 are still available anywhere? I guess the note-takers we have now have
 probably made them irrelevant, but they were a neat little machine.


 -Original Message-
 From: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
yahoogroups.com
 [mailto:blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jay Williams
 Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 10:51 PM
 To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [BlindHandyMan] re: general electric braille typewriter

 Hey, folks,
 This message is from Richard Polt, a knowledgeable and conscienscious
 collector who acquired the machine I inquired about recently. Since
none
 of us had heard of this one, I thought you'd be interested to hear his
 observations. I've done a bit of editing and condensing from two of
his
 emails.
 Jay

  Original Message --
 From: Richard Polt [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:polt%40xavier.edu edu
 Subject: Braille typewriter
 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 22:00:53 -0500

 Today I picked up the Braille writer. It's in better shape than I
 thought! There is rust and dust, but it's basically functional. The
 rust isn't as bad as it looked in the photos. Parts move, and will
move
 better when I clean it up. The electrical device is a solenoid
 (electromagnet) with patent 1696615, granted Dec. 25, 1928. There's a
 repair tag dated 1960, and the tag is still wrapped around a couple of
 key levers, so I don't think it was ever used after that. There's
 My general impression is that this is a carefully designed machine,
 produced either in a factory or in a very well-equipped home workshop.
 To give a rough description: when activated (I'm not clear exactly
how)
 the solenoid makes a hammer move towards the front of the machine,
 where it meets some pins that press the paper into indentations in the
 head of the hammer. Which pins are activated depends, of course, on
the
 configuration of the typebar that hits the pins. The carriage moves
from
 left to right
 (backwards), as someone on the list figured out: you are making
 impressions that stick out towards the back of the typewriter, so
 essentially you are writing on the back of the paper and must write
 from right to left. The paper is held between two rollers and goes
down
 into wire holders -- much as in a Hammond. The shift moves the
carriage
 down, not up. The typewriter used is definitely a Woodstock, faint,
but
 possibly serial number B48964, built between 1916 and 1920. The
 actuating solenoid is patented 1929.
 I am optimistic that when I
 lubricate crucial parts and replace the cord, I can get this thing
 working! (I also plan to remove some rust. Rust has no historical
 value, I've decided.)

 Thanks for your interest,
 Richard



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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Shopping in the dark

2007-02-01 Thread William Stephan
Maybe we should band together and hire a lobbyist to fight bubble pack.


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.
.Robert,
.
.How about something like Let's see you do it with your eyes closed.
.
.Regards
.
.
.Larry Stansifer 
.
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.Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Shopping in the dark
.
.
.Earlier   Lenny wrote
.
. I
.am always getting yelled at for feeling how things are made. I can't sit
.next to a table without checking out the joinery.
.---
.Lenny  I feel your pain.
.People I go shopping with to the hardware store are always giving me a
.hard time about always touching every thing. Am I the only one that has
.to put up with this noncence? That is kind of like having your sighted
.friends over to look at the fish in your aquarium and having the tank
.covered with a tarp. Ya wright  go to a hardware store  and keep your
.hands to your self? Any good rebuttles?
.
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electrical Fireplace for Dan

2007-02-06 Thread William Stephan
Dan, like Victor, I was thinking about you the other night while having dinner 
with a group including my font of wisdom for everything heating and cooling.  I 
asked him about the cealed fireplace gadget you had mentioned.  Specifically, I 
wanted to know how you could run something that burned gas without sending 
yourself on a one-way trip over the rainbow bridge.
He said he thought that a natural gas powered heater burning under 40,000 BTUs 
was probably not going to generate enough CO2 to off you, unless you were in an 
air-tight space.


-Original Message-
.From: Dan Rossi[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Sent: 2/6/07 12:30:00 PM
.To: Blind Handyman Listservblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electrical Fireplace for Dan
.
.Victor wrote:
.
. Hi Dan,
.
. I just received this e-mail from Home Depot Canada, and I thought of you.
.
. Dreaming of romantic nights by a cozy flame? Feed your fire for
. Valentine's Day with the stylish Torino Electric Fireplace  Mantel.
.
.Victor, you're a real sweetie and all, but you know I am married now, 
.right?  *GRIN*
.
.Actually, my neighbor has this exact fireplace.  I tend to shy away from 
.anything with an electric heating element these days.  When I lived in 
.Seattle, I paid 2 cents a kilowatt hour.  In Pittsburgh I pay over 12 cents 
.a kilowatt hour.  Electricity is just too damn expensive around here.
.
.thanks though.  Hope I let you down easy enough.  *GRIN*
.
.-- 
.Blue skies.
.Dan Rossi
.Carnegie Mellon University.
.E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Tel:   (412) 268-9081
.



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Electrical Fireplace for Dan

2007-02-06 Thread William Stephan
Dan said:
Seattle, I paid 2 cents a kilowatt hour.  In Pittsburgh I pay over 12 cents 
a kilowatt hour.  Electricity is just too damn expensive around here.
Wow, here in Kansas City I pay about 5.91 cents a KWH.
And I thought that was high.






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Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole shop air filter installation

2007-02-06 Thread William Stephan
Mickey, my shop, such as it is, is in my basement.  My wife has her washer and 
dryer down there too, so I
 have to be cognizent of how much dust, sawdust mostly, I generate during 
certain times.  Do you think a filter like this would have a material effect on 
how much sawdust winds up where it shouldn't be, or is sawdust too heavy to be 
caught in a filter system like this one.

-Original Message-
.From: Mickey Fixsen[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Sent: 2/6/07 1:44:49 PM
.To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole shop air filter installation
.
.Dan,
.
.Shop around at local Delta dealers and see what you can find for price.  If it 
shows up at their business damaged, you won't have to deal with returns.  
Besides, you might be able to buy it locally for about the same price and not 
have to pay for the shipping and handling or be near the same price when all is 
considered.
.
.I found no damage at all.  The unit is shipped in a heavy corrugated box with 
what seemed to me to be quad thick corrugated cardboard packing on all sides.  
The unit does not include the 2 AA batteries for the remote control.
.
.As far as noise goes--  It is loudest on the discharge end.  Underneath the 
unit and on the inlet and sides of the unit, you can hear it run, but it is not 
loud.  The unit moves a lot of air (12,000 cfm on High) and there is only a 
wire mesh grill on the discharge end, so it is loudest in that direction.  It 
uses a squirrel cage blower, so it would be similar to a forced air furnace.  I 
find the air filter to be just a little louder than a 75,000 btu gas fired unit 
heater that uses a propeller fan.  This unit heater is the heater for the shop 
and it doesn't move near the amount of air of the filter.
.
.Jet makes a similar unit (AFS 1000B) for less money and moves almost as much 
air.  Actually, I was going to buy this Jet model, but with the business going 
out of business and the good price on the Delta unit, I went ahead and bought 
the Delta.  Also, there are smaller units available that might be appropriate 
for smaller shops.
.
.Rockler sells some brackets for less than $7 to use with these units for 
attaching a standard furnace filter ahead of the unit's filters as a 
pre-filter.  The outer filter is cleanable, but the inner 1 micron filter is 
supposed to be replaced when clogged.
.
.
.  - Original Message - 
.  From: Dan Rossi 
.  To: Blind Handyman 
.  Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:08 PM
.  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole shop air filter installation
.
.
.  Mickey,
.
.  You got me curious about whole shop air filtration. I took a look on 
.  google which sent me over to amazon for the same model of filter you got. 
.  They currently have it for 320 bucks but one reviewer said they got it for 
.  220 bucks during some sale.
.
.  Anyway, most people said very good things about the unit, but a few had 
.  complaints because the units showed up with fans bent, and the plastic 
.  cover over the air flow meter cracked. It sounds more like the units 
.  don't ship well than anything.
.
.  How loud have you found the Delta unit to be? It's a subjective question, 
.  but is it deafeningly loud? People commented on the cost of the filters 
.  being kind of high, but I didn't find any pricing. Any idea how much the 
.  filters go for?
.
.  Thanks.
.
.  -- 
.  Blue skies.
.  Dan Rossi
.  Carnegie Mellon University.
.  E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.  Tel: (412) 268-9081
.
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.   
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole Dust collecting was shop air filter installation

2007-02-06 Thread William Stephan
OK, generally I use a circular saw, and I have a shop vac.  Is there a simple 
way to build a dust collecter?


-Original Message-
.From: Mickey Fixsen[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Sent: 2/6/07 3:41:54 PM
.To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole shop air filter installation
.
.You need to use both dust collection at the tool in the form of a shop vacuum 
or whole shop dust collection system and an air filter.  The air filter is 
supposed to collect airborne dust particles.  If you use only an air filter, it 
will clog up very quickly and you still won't get all of the sawdust.
.
.
.  - Original Message - 
.  From: William Stephan 
.  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
.  Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 1:59 PM
.  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole shop air filter installation
.
.
.  Mickey, my shop, such as it is, is in my basement. My wife has her washer 
and dryer down there too, so I
.  have to be cognizent of how much dust, sawdust mostly, I generate during 
certain times. Do you think a filter like this would have a material effect on 
how much sawdust winds up where it shouldn't be, or is sawdust too heavy to be 
caught in a filter system like this one.
.
.  -Original Message-
.  .From: Mickey Fixsen[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.  .Sent: 2/6/07 1:44:49 PM
.  .To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.  .Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole shop air filter installation
.  .
.  .Dan,
.  .
.  .Shop around at local Delta dealers and see what you can find for price. If 
it shows up at their business damaged, you won't have to deal with returns. 
Besides, you might be able to buy it locally for about the same price and not 
have to pay for the shipping and handling or be near the same price when all is 
considered.
.  .
.  .I found no damage at all. The unit is shipped in a heavy corrugated box 
with what seemed to me to be quad thick corrugated cardboard packing on all 
sides. The unit does not include the 2 AA batteries for the remote control.
.  .
.  .As far as noise goes-- It is loudest on the discharge end. Underneath the 
unit and on the inlet and sides of the unit, you can hear it run, but it is not 
loud. The unit moves a lot of air (12,000 cfm on High) and there is only a wire 
mesh grill on the discharge end, so it is loudest in that direction. It uses a 
squirrel cage blower, so it would be similar to a forced air furnace. I find 
the air filter to be just a little louder than a 75,000 btu gas fired unit 
heater that uses a propeller fan. This unit heater is the heater for the shop 
and it doesn't move near the amount of air of the filter.
.  .
.  .Jet makes a similar unit (AFS 1000B) for less money and moves almost as 
much air. Actually, I was going to buy this Jet model, but with the business 
going out of business and the good price on the Delta unit, I went ahead and 
bought the Delta. Also, there are smaller units available that might be 
appropriate for smaller shops.
.  .
.  .Rockler sells some brackets for less than $7 to use with these units for 
attaching a standard furnace filter ahead of the unit's filters as a 
pre-filter. The outer filter is cleanable, but the inner 1 micron filter is 
supposed to be replaced when clogged.
.  .
.  .
.  . - Original Message - 
.  . From: Dan Rossi 
.  . To: Blind Handyman 
.  . Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:08 PM
.  . Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole shop air filter installation
.  .
.  .
.  . Mickey,
.  .
.  . You got me curious about whole shop air filtration. I took a look on 
.  . google which sent me over to amazon for the same model of filter you got. 
.  . They currently have it for 320 bucks but one reviewer said they got it for 
.  . 220 bucks during some sale.
.  .
.  . Anyway, most people said very good things about the unit, but a few had 
.  . complaints because the units showed up with fans bent, and the plastic 
.  . cover over the air flow meter cracked. It sounds more like the units 
.  . don't ship well than anything.
.  .
.  . How loud have you found the Delta unit to be? It's a subjective question, 
.  . but is it deafeningly loud? People commented on the cost of the filters 
.  . being kind of high, but I didn't find any pricing. Any idea how much the 
.  . filters go for?
.  .
.  . Thanks.
.  .
.  . -- 
.  . Blue skies.
.  . Dan Rossi
.  . Carnegie Mellon University.
.  . E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.  . Tel: (412) 268-9081
.  .
.  .
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] whole Dust collecting was shop air filter installation

2007-02-06 Thread William Stephan
I sort of figured that Dale, but thanks for taking the time to share
your experience.
I think too, that since the wood gets offloaded in the garage, I use
the term very loosely, I might do most cutting out there when the
weather permits.  There isn't electrical service in the garage, but
there's always the driveway, the workmate and extension cords.
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:09 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole Dust collecting was shop air filter
installation
 
The short answer is no.

I went through the process of making a network with 2 inch tubing, I
started 
with a kit from Lee Valley connected to a big mother of a vacuum only to

discover that the filter plugged up very quickly. I then included a
cyclone 
separator which only reduced the air flow. As I researched the Internet
I 
discovered that many people travel down the same road to the same dead
end 
as I had.

An air filter helps to protect you from the very small airborne
particles 
and a vacuum may well put a lot into the air. These do eventually settle
on 
surfaces as do the larger particles which a dust collector tends to
gather 
however you just don't get enough air flow from a vacuum for most 
substantial collection. They can do fairly well connected directly to a 
small sander or a router but you need a minimum of a 4 inch and 650
cubic 
feet per minute system for something like a table saw and probably
something 
closer to 1100 or more.

You are better off sweeping up with your vacuum.

Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net net
Skype DaleLeavens
Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.

- Original Message - 
From: William Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net net
To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole Dust collecting was shop air filter 
installation

 OK, generally I use a circular saw, and I have a shop vac. Is there a 
 simple way to build a dust collecter?


 -Original Message-
 .From: Mickey Fixsen[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:mfixsen%40avalon.net
net
 .Sent: 2/6/07 3:41:54 PM
 .To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
yahoogroups.com
 .Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole shop air filter installation
 .
 .You need to use both dust collection at the tool in the form of a
shop 
 vacuum or whole shop dust collection system and an air filter. The air

 filter is supposed to collect airborne dust particles. If you use only
an 
 air filter, it will clog up very quickly and you still won't get all
of 
 the sawdust.
 .
 .
 . - Original Message - 
 . From: William Stephan
 . To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
yahoogroups.com
 . Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 1:59 PM
 . Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole shop air filter installation
 .
 .
 . Mickey, my shop, such as it is, is in my basement. My wife has her 
 washer and dryer down there too, so I
 . have to be cognizent of how much dust, sawdust mostly, I generate 
 during certain times. Do you think a filter like this would have a 
 material effect on how much sawdust winds up where it shouldn't be, or
is 
 sawdust too heavy to be caught in a filter system like this one.
 .
 . -Original Message-
 . .From: Mickey Fixsen[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:mfixsen%40avalon.net
net
 . .Sent: 2/6/07 1:44:49 PM
 . .To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
yahoogroups.com
 . .Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole shop air filter installation
 . .
 . .Dan,
 . .
 . .Shop around at local Delta dealers and see what you can find for 
 price. If it shows up at their business damaged, you won't have to
deal 
 with returns. Besides, you might be able to buy it locally for about
the 
 same price and not have to pay for the shipping and handling or be
near 
 the same price when all is considered.
 . .
 . .I found no damage at all. The unit is shipped in a heavy corrugated

 box with what seemed to me to be quad thick corrugated cardboard
packing 
 on all sides. The unit does not include the 2 AA batteries for the
remote 
 control.
 . .
 . .As far as noise goes-- It is loudest on the discharge end.
Underneath 
 the unit and on the inlet and sides of the unit, you can hear it run,
but 
 it is not loud. The unit moves a lot of air (12,000 cfm on High) and
there 
 is only a wire mesh grill on the discharge end, so it is loudest in
that 
 direction. It uses a squirrel cage blower, so it would be similar to a

 forced air furnace. I find the air filter to be just a little louder
than 
 a 75,000 btu gas fired unit heater that uses a propeller fan

Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole Dust collecting was shop air filterinstallation

2007-02-07 Thread William Stephan
Dale, I've always been chicken of using a circ saw with gloves on, but maybe 
it's not something to be overly concerned with.Do you use shooter's mits
When you have to measure?  We have an entrance to the basement, but it has a 
very steep and irregular set of stairs down to the door.  There's no way you 
could get say a sheet of plywood into the basement through it, and for some 
reason, my wife disapproves when I bring lumber through the dining room.
 
-Original Message-
.From: Dale Leavens[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Sent: 2/7/07 11:23:31 AM
.To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole Dust collecting was shop air 
filterinstallation
.
.I do a lot of cut-down on the back patio for that reason and to make timber 
.more manageable indoors. Even in the winter, the mitts on and off but it is 
.much easier to swing large sheets about.
.
.
.Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Skype DaleLeavens
.Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
.
.
.- Original Message - 
.From: William Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:34 PM
.Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] whole Dust collecting was shop air filter 
.installation
.
.
.I sort of figured that Dale, but thanks for taking the time to share
. your experience.
. I think too, that since the wood gets offloaded in the garage, I use
. the term very loosely, I might do most cutting out there when the
. weather permits.  There isn't electrical service in the garage, but
. there's always the driveway, the workmate and extension cords.
.
.
.
. -Original Message-
. From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
. Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:09 PM
. To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
. Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole Dust collecting was shop air filter
. installation
.
. The short answer is no.
.
. I went through the process of making a network with 2 inch tubing, I
. started
. with a kit from Lee Valley connected to a big mother of a vacuum only to
.
. discover that the filter plugged up very quickly. I then included a
. cyclone
. separator which only reduced the air flow. As I researched the Internet
. I
. discovered that many people travel down the same road to the same dead
. end
. as I had.
.
. An air filter helps to protect you from the very small airborne
. particles
. and a vacuum may well put a lot into the air. These do eventually settle
. on
. surfaces as do the larger particles which a dust collector tends to
. gather
. however you just don't get enough air flow from a vacuum for most
. substantial collection. They can do fairly well connected directly to a
. small sander or a router but you need a minimum of a 4 inch and 650
. cubic
. feet per minute system for something like a table saw and probably
. something
. closer to 1100 or more.
.
. You are better off sweeping up with your vacuum.
.
. Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net net
. Skype DaleLeavens
. Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
.
. - Original Message - 
. From: William Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
. mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net net
. To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
. yahoogroups.com
. Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:40 PM
. Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole Dust collecting was shop air filter
. installation
.
. OK, generally I use a circular saw, and I have a shop vac. Is there a
. simple way to build a dust collecter?
.
.
. -Original Message-
. .From: Mickey Fixsen[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:mfixsen%40avalon.net
. net
. .Sent: 2/6/07 3:41:54 PM
. .To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
. yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
. yahoogroups.com
. .Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole shop air filter installation
. .
. .You need to use both dust collection at the tool in the form of a
. shop
. vacuum or whole shop dust collection system and an air filter. The air
.
. filter is supposed to collect airborne dust particles. If you use only
. an
. air filter, it will clog up very quickly and you still won't get all
. of
. the sawdust.
. .
. .
. . - Original Message - 
. . From: William Stephan
. . To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
. yahoogroups.com
. . Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 1:59 PM
. . Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole shop air filter installation
. .
. .
. . Mickey, my shop, such as it is, is in my basement. My wife has her
. washer and dryer down there too, so I
. . have to be cognizent of how much dust, sawdust mostly, I generate
. during certain times. Do you think a filter like this would have a
. material effect on how much sawdust winds up where it shouldn't be, or
. is
. sawdust too heavy to be caught in a filter system like this one.
. .
. . -Original Message

Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole Dust collecting was shop airfilterinstallation

2007-02-08 Thread William Stephan

Thanks Dale, a trip to the lumber yard is in the offing, so I'll get to try 
this out pretty soon.  


-Original Message-
.From: Dale Leavens[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Sent: 2/7/07 11:19:28 PM
.To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole Dust collecting was shop 
airfilterinstallation
.
.No, I just keep slipping heavy woolen lined leather mitts on and off, off 
.when measuring then back on to warm up.
.
.Usually they are off for sawing, or I might use a glove for the trigger hand 
.when it comes time for the cut.
.
.So long as you aren't handling metal too long you get a couple of minutes 
.even in forty below weather unless you are some sort of wimp but it is damn 
.inconvenient and slows you up a bit.
.
.I do have one entrance into the new basement but frequently I do end up 
.loading stuff through the house. Janet doesn't usually say too much about 
.it.
.
.Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Skype DaleLeavens
.Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
.
.
.- Original Message - 
.From: William Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 1:29 PM
.Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole Dust collecting was shop air 
.filterinstallation
.
.
. Dale, I've always been chicken of using a circ saw with gloves on, but 
. maybe it's not something to be overly concerned with.Do you use 
. shooter's mits
. When you have to measure?  We have an entrance to the basement, but it has 
. a very steep and irregular set of stairs down to the door.  There's no way 
. you could get say a sheet of plywood into the basement through it, and for 
. some reason, my wife disapproves when I bring lumber through the dining 
. room.
.
. -Original Message-
. .From: Dale Leavens[EMAIL PROTECTED]
. .Sent: 2/7/07 11:23:31 AM
. .To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
. .Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole Dust collecting was shop air 
. filterinstallation
. .
. .I do a lot of cut-down on the back patio for that reason and to make 
. timber
. .more manageable indoors. Even in the winter, the mitts on and off but it 
. is
. .much easier to swing large sheets about.
. .
. .
. .Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
. .Skype DaleLeavens
. .Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
. .
. .
. .- Original Message - 
. .From: William Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
. .To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
. .Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:34 PM
. .Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] whole Dust collecting was shop air filter
. .installation
. .
. .
. .I sort of figured that Dale, but thanks for taking the time to share
. . your experience.
. . I think too, that since the wood gets offloaded in the garage, I use
. . the term very loosely, I might do most cutting out there when the
. . weather permits.  There isn't electrical service in the garage, but
. . there's always the driveway, the workmate and extension cords.
. .
. .
. .
. . -Original Message-
. . From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
. . [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
. . Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:09 PM
. . To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
. . Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole Dust collecting was shop air filter
. . installation
. .
. . The short answer is no.
. .
. . I went through the process of making a network with 2 inch tubing, I
. . started
. . with a kit from Lee Valley connected to a big mother of a vacuum only 
. to
. .
. . discover that the filter plugged up very quickly. I then included a
. . cyclone
. . separator which only reduced the air flow. As I researched the Internet
. . I
. . discovered that many people travel down the same road to the same dead
. . end
. . as I had.
. .
. . An air filter helps to protect you from the very small airborne
. . particles
. . and a vacuum may well put a lot into the air. These do eventually 
. settle
. . on
. . surfaces as do the larger particles which a dust collector tends to
. . gather
. . however you just don't get enough air flow from a vacuum for most
. . substantial collection. They can do fairly well connected directly to a
. . small sander or a router but you need a minimum of a 4 inch and 650
. . cubic
. . feet per minute system for something like a table saw and probably
. . something
. . closer to 1100 or more.
. .
. . You are better off sweeping up with your vacuum.
. .
. . Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
. . [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net net
. . Skype DaleLeavens
. . Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
. .
. . - Original Message - 
. . From: William Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
. . mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net net
. . To: blindhandyman@ mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com
. . yahoogroups.com
. . Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:40 PM
. . Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] whole Dust collecting was shop

RE: [BlindHandyMan] Getting out of cutting the lawn.

2007-02-08 Thread William Stephan
Really, the snow shovel trick is positively brilliant. Besides, women are, I've 
heard, better 
suited anatomically to activities like snow shoveling than are men.



-Original Message-
.From: Dan Rossi[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Sent: 2/8/07 12:37:28 PM
.To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Getting out of cutting the lawn.
.
.Lenny wrote:
.
. Along the same lines I am not allowed to cut grass or shovel snow.
. The last time I cut the grass I mowed her flowers, not a good thing! and
.
.Lenny, Brilliant!  I will keep that in mind.  Mow down the flowers to get 
.out of cutting the grass.  Did you also throw something red in with her 
.whites while doing the laundry?  *GRIN*
.
.  -- 
.Blue skies.
.Dan Rossi
.Carnegie Mellon University.
.E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Tel:   (412) 268-9081



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[BlindHandyMan] Plywood question

2007-02-09 Thread William Stephan
I've decided to build some boxes that will be used to store CDs in a couple 
cabinets we have.  These will be simple, just a bottom, and four sides.  I 
think I want the bottoms and fronts and backs to be 3/4 inches thick.  

Basically, I'm thinking about either 1x8s or 3/4 inch plywood.  If I use the 
1x8s, there's likely to be some waste, whereas if I use plywood, there'll be a 
lot less.

My question to you folks then is whether there's a reason not to screw into the 
edges of plywood.  There's not going to be a lot of stress on these obviously, 
but I know the center sheets in plywood can be pretty low in grade.

Thoughts?





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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question

2007-02-09 Thread William Stephan
Auright I'm convinced, I'll use either 1/2 or 3/8 for the bottoms, fronts and 
backs, and 1/4 plywood for the sides.  So, now, can somebody give me some 
pointers on gluing?  Every time I do it, I wind up with excess glue oozing out. 
 I'm pretty sure I'm using too much glue, but it's hard for me to tell how much 
I'm actually applying.
,is it necessary to put glue on both pieces or is one sufficient..
To my credit, I actually thought about doing it like this, but was thinking 
about 3/4 inch just because it's wide enough that it'd be less likely I'd split 
it.


-Original Message-
.From: Lenny  McHugh[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Sent: 2/9/07 1:46:14 PM
.To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
.
.Hi Bill,
.If it is only for storing CDs I would probably use 1/2 plywood or even 
.3/8. I would also glue and brad nail.
.If I was storing something heavier I would probably reconsider that choice.
.I made a box to store my molding cutters and used 1/2 particle board for 
.the sides and glued an old scrap of 1/4 paneling to make top and bottom. I 
.then ran it through my table saw to cut about 1/2 to make the lid.
.I did something similar a few years ago to make a carrying case for some of 
.my magic props. That had a lot of use and held up great.
.I would even consider using that material for your project. It paints nice. 
..
.
.For both of those projects I used only tight bond glue.
.The one carrying case is about 20 years old.
.Lenny
.- Original Message - 
.From: William Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:31 PM
.Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
.
.
.I've decided to build some boxes that will be used to store CDs in a couple 
.cabinets we have.  These will be simple, just a bottom, and four sides.  I 
.think I want the bottoms and fronts and backs to be 3/4 inches thick.
.
.Basically, I'm thinking about either 1x8s or 3/4 inch plywood.  If I use the 
.1x8s, there's likely to be some waste, whereas if I use plywood, there'll be 
.a lot less.
.
.My question to you folks then is whether there's a reason not to screw into 
.the edges of plywood.  There's not going to be a lot of stress on these 
.obviously, but I know the center sheets in plywood can be pretty low in 
.grade.
.
.Thoughts?
.
.
.
.
.
.To listen to the show archives go to link
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.or
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.
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question

2007-02-09 Thread William Stephan
Thanks Ron.  I don't think I have the  tools to do this, but it's a good idea.  
About all I have in the way of woodworking tools is a circ saw, a handheld 
jigsaw and some hand saws.  Do you think it would be possible to cut rabbets 
with the tools I already have?

I think there's going to be a total of 24 of these boxes, so this should keep 
me busy until the weather warms up if that's ever going to happen.


-Original Message-
.From: R  S Enterprises[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Sent: 2/9/07 3:27:19 PM
.To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
.
.A suggestion comes to mind regardless of which lumber you use.  If you cut a 
rabbet in the front and back the end grain of the sides will be covered and you 
can nail or screw through the front and back into the sides then you can slso  
nail or screw through the sides into the front and rear.  Doing this locks the 
lumber together both ways and makes for stronger.  I would suggest pilot holes 
if using screws.
.Ron
.  - Original Message - 
.  From: William Stephan 
.  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
.  Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 1:31 PM
.  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
.
.
.  I've decided to build some boxes that will be used to store CDs in a couple 
cabinets we have. These will be simple, just a bottom, and four sides. I think 
I want the bottoms and fronts and backs to be 3/4 inches thick. 
.
.  Basically, I'm thinking about either 1x8s or 3/4 inch plywood. If I use the 
1x8s, there's likely to be some waste, whereas if I use plywood, there'll be a 
lot less.
.
.  My question to you folks then is whether there's a reason not to screw into 
the edges of plywood. There's not going to be a lot of stress on these 
obviously, but I know the center sheets in plywood can be pretty low in grade.
.
.  Thoughts?
.
.
.
.   
.
.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
.
.



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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question

2007-02-09 Thread William Stephan
Lenny, thanks, it sounds like the applicator would be the way to go.  It's too 
bad somebody hasn't figured out a way to sell glue in something like a roll-on 
deodorant bottle.


-Original Message-
.From: Lenny  McHugh[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Sent: 2/9/07 4:03:21 PM
.To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
.
.Bill,
.For me it depends upon the project and the finish.
.If the project is something that will be stained my wife, like the paint 
.brush, won't let me near the glue bottle for the same reason that you 
.mentioned.
.If it is something that will be painted or left alone like the box for my 
.molding cutters I will put a liberal amount and when it is squeezed out I 
.have a pile of wet shop rags to clean up.
.When I use tight bond I only apply to one surface. White glue I use a little 
.on both sides and let it stand for a minute or so before putting together. 
.The cohesion is fairly quick and helps hold in place before the clamps are 
.attached. It still takes a few hours to cure.
.Even then some glue squeezes out and more shop rags.
.I use the disposable paper shop rags. Karen even uses them to apply the rub 
.on polyurethane since they are lint free.
.Even when Karen helps me with a project like the vanity or TV stand some 
.tight bond squeezes out. She can see where it is and quickly cleans it up. 
.Some times I let it alone and use a paint scraper and sander after it is 
.dry.
.The paint scraper is what most professionals use. I watched this done on the 
.Yankee Workshop many times. I don't particularly like doing that I sometimes 
.get a little too happy with the scraper and need a lot of sanding to remove 
.the scratch marks. And I will only do that on hard woods. I destroyed some 
.pine with that technique.
.To apply the glue although a little messy I use my finger. I can feel how 
.well I have it covered. When Karen helps she uses a very small paint brush, 
.one of my forbidden tools. I am tempted to purchase a glue applicator that 
.has a roller that applies the glue. Again this was used on the Yankee 
.Workshop.
.
.Lenny
.- Original Message - 
.From: William Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 4:26 PM
.Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
.
.
.Auright I'm convinced, I'll use either 1/2 or 3/8 for the bottoms, fronts 
.and backs, and 1/4 plywood for the sides.  So, now, can somebody give me 
.some pointers on gluing?  Every time I do it, I wind up with excess glue 
.oozing out.  I'm pretty sure I'm using too much glue, but it's hard for me 
.to tell how much I'm actually applying.
.,is it necessary to put glue on both pieces or is one sufficient..
.To my credit, I actually thought about doing it like this, but was thinking 
.about 3/4 inch just because it's wide enough that it'd be less likely I'd 
.split it.
.
.
.-Original Message-
..From: Lenny  McHugh[EMAIL PROTECTED]
..Sent: 2/9/07 1:46:14 PM
..To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
..Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
..
..Hi Bill,
..If it is only for storing CDs I would probably use 1/2 plywood or even
..3/8. I would also glue and brad nail.
..If I was storing something heavier I would probably reconsider that choice.
..I made a box to store my molding cutters and used 1/2 particle board for
..the sides and glued an old scrap of 1/4 paneling to make top and bottom. I
..then ran it through my table saw to cut about 1/2 to make the lid.
..I did something similar a few years ago to make a carrying case for some of
..my magic props. That had a lot of use and held up great.
..I would even consider using that material for your project. It paints nice.
...
..
..For both of those projects I used only tight bond glue.
..The one carrying case is about 20 years old.
..Lenny
..- Original Message - 
..From: William Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
..To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
..Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:31 PM
..Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
..
..
..I've decided to build some boxes that will be used to store CDs in a couple
..cabinets we have.  These will be simple, just a bottom, and four sides.  I
..think I want the bottoms and fronts and backs to be 3/4 inches thick.
..
..Basically, I'm thinking about either 1x8s or 3/4 inch plywood.  If I use 
.the
..1x8s, there's likely to be some waste, whereas if I use plywood, there'll 
.be
..a lot less.
..
..My question to you folks then is whether there's a reason not to screw into
..the edges of plywood.  There's not going to be a lot of stress on these
..obviously, but I know the center sheets in plywood can be pretty low in
..grade.
..
..Thoughts?
..
..
..
..
..
..To listen to the show archives go to link
.. http://acbradio.org/handyman.html
..or
..ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/
..
..The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is.
..http://www.acbradio.org/news

Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question

2007-02-09 Thread William Stephan
 Thanks Dale, I'm sure that I have also been using too much pressure.  I don't 
have real clamps, so I made some out of 1/4 inch threaded rod and wood scraps.  
They work OK, but I get carried away tightening the thing up.



-Original Message-
.From: Dale Leavens[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Sent: 2/9/07 3:56:21 PM
.To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
.
.If you are using carpenters glue don't be afraid of spreading it with a 
.finger. A wet rag will remove it from your fingers. You probably should 
.apply it to both surfaces but it will squeeze out as you clamp that too is 
.usual. You need not apply all that much pressure. Most of us apply too much 
.pressure and squeeze most of the glue out of the joint, don't do that.
.
.Finally, wipe away excess glue with a damp rag or begin with a paper towel 
.then finish with a damp rag.
.
.Do not apply things like Crazy glue with your fingers or the new moisture 
.curing glues or you will have to wear it off of your hands.
.
.For a job like that though all you should need is a couple of little pins to 
.hold the corners together until the glue cures. Keep them a bit on the short 
.side so you reduce the risk of pushing them out the side. A brad push is a 
.wonderful way to set small pins or of course a pneumatic nailer if you have 
.one. Shooting into thin wood like that though without coming out the edge 
.can be tricky. Most pins will turn a little as they shoot and can wander out 
.the side which is just messy.
.
.If you have the equipment, rabbets or half laps or even box (finger) joints 
.are nice but without fancy equipment that is less practical.
.
.
.Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Skype DaleLeavens
.Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
.
.
.- Original Message - 
.From: William Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 4:26 PM
.Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
.
.
. Auright I'm convinced, I'll use either 1/2 or 3/8 for the bottoms, fronts 
. and backs, and 1/4 plywood for the sides.  So, now, can somebody give me 
. some pointers on gluing?  Every time I do it, I wind up with excess glue 
. oozing out.  I'm pretty sure I'm using too much glue, but it's hard for me 
. to tell how much I'm actually applying.
. ,is it necessary to put glue on both pieces or is one sufficient..
. To my credit, I actually thought about doing it like this, but was 
. thinking about 3/4 inch just because it's wide enough that it'd be less 
. likely I'd split it.
.
.
. -Original Message-
. .From: Lenny  McHugh[EMAIL PROTECTED]
. .Sent: 2/9/07 1:46:14 PM
. .To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
. .Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
. .
. .Hi Bill,
. .If it is only for storing CDs I would probably use 1/2 plywood or even
. .3/8. I would also glue and brad nail.
. .If I was storing something heavier I would probably reconsider that 
. choice.
. .I made a box to store my molding cutters and used 1/2 particle board for
. .the sides and glued an old scrap of 1/4 paneling to make top and bottom. 
. I
. .then ran it through my table saw to cut about 1/2 to make the lid.
. .I did something similar a few years ago to make a carrying case for some 
. of
. .my magic props. That had a lot of use and held up great.
. .I would even consider using that material for your project. It paints 
. nice.
. ..
. .
. .For both of those projects I used only tight bond glue.
. .The one carrying case is about 20 years old.
. .Lenny
. .- Original Message - 
. .From: William Stephan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
. .To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
. .Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 2:31 PM
. .Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
. .
. .
. .I've decided to build some boxes that will be used to store CDs in a 
. couple
. .cabinets we have.  These will be simple, just a bottom, and four sides. 
. I
. .think I want the bottoms and fronts and backs to be 3/4 inches thick.
. .
. .Basically, I'm thinking about either 1x8s or 3/4 inch plywood.  If I use 
. the
. .1x8s, there's likely to be some waste, whereas if I use plywood, there'll 
. be
. .a lot less.
. .
. .My question to you folks then is whether there's a reason not to screw 
. into
. .the edges of plywood.  There's not going to be a lot of stress on these
. .obviously, but I know the center sheets in plywood can be pretty low in
. .grade.
. .
. .Thoughts?
. .
. .
. .
. .
. .
. .To listen to the show archives go to link
. . http://acbradio.org/handyman.html
. .or
. .ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/
. .
. .The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is.
. .http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday
. .
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question

2007-02-09 Thread William Stephan
I don't know why not, and it'd be cheaper.


-Original Message-
.From: Robert J. Moore[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Sent: 2/9/07 4:34:51 PM
.To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.comblindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
.
.Until you get some reall clamps I wonder if you could use a wratchet strap,
.if you have one of them.
.
.-Original Message-
.From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.Behalf Of William Stephan
.Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 4:23 PM
.To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
.
.Thanks Dale, I'm sure that I have also been using too much pressure. I don't
.have real clamps, so I made some out of 1/4 inch threaded rod and wood
.scraps. They work OK, but I get carried away tightening the thing up.
.
.-Original Message-
..From: Dale Leavens [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:dleavens%40puc.net 
..Sent: 2/9/07 3:56:21 PM
..To:  blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com  blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
..Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
..
..If you are using carpenters glue don't be afraid of spreading it with a
..finger. A wet rag will remove it from your fingers. You probably should
..apply it to both surfaces but it will squeeze out as you clamp that too is
..usual. You need not apply all that much pressure. Most of us apply too much
..pressure and squeeze most of the glue out of the joint, don't do that.
..
..Finally, wipe away excess glue with a damp rag or begin with a paper towel
..then finish with a damp rag.
..
..Do not apply things like Crazy glue with your fingers or the new moisture
..curing glues or you will have to wear it off of your hands.
..
..For a job like that though all you should need is a couple of little pins
.to
..hold the corners together until the glue cures. Keep them a bit on the
.short
..side so you reduce the risk of pushing them out the side. A brad push is a
..wonderful way to set small pins or of course a pneumatic nailer if you have
..one. Shooting into thin wood like that though without coming out the edge
..can be tricky. Most pins will turn a little as they shoot and can wander
.out
..the side which is just messy.
..
..If you have the equipment, rabbets or half laps or even box (finger) joints
..are nice but without fancy equipment that is less practical.
..
..
..Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net
..Skype DaleLeavens
..Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
..
..
..- Original Message -
..From: William Stephan  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.mailto:wstephan%40everestkc.net 
..To:  blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
..Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 4:26 PM
..Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
..
..
.. Auright I'm convinced, I'll use either 1/2 or 3/8 for the bottoms, fronts
.. and backs, and 1/4 plywood for the sides. So, now, can somebody give me
.. some pointers on gluing? Every time I do it, I wind up with excess glue
.. oozing out. I'm pretty sure I'm using too much glue, but it's hard for me
.. to tell how much I'm actually applying.
.. ,is it necessary to put glue on both pieces or is one sufficient..
.. To my credit, I actually thought about doing it like this, but was
.. thinking about 3/4 inch just because it's wide enough that it'd be less
.. likely I'd split it.
..
..
.. -Original Message-
.. .From: Lenny McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:lmchugh%40verizon.net
.
.. .Sent: 2/9/07 1:46:14 PM
.. .To:  blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com  blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
.mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com 
.. .Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
.. .
.. .Hi Bill,
.. .If it is only for storing CDs I would probably use 1/2 plywood or even
.. .3/8. I would also glue and brad nail.
.. .If I was storing something heavier I would probably reconsider that
.. choice.
.. .I made a box to store my molding cutters and used 1/2 particle board
.for
.. .the sides and glued an old scrap of 1/4 paneling to make top and
.bottom.
.. I
.. .then ran it through my table saw to cut about 1/2 to make the lid.
.. .I did something similar a few years ago to make a carrying case for some
.. of
.. .my magic props. That had a lot of use and held up great.
.. .I would even consider using that material for your project. It paints
.. nice.
.. ..
.. .
.. .For both of those projects I used only tight bond glue.
.. .The one carrying case is about 20 years old.
.. .Lenny
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.. .Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
.. .
.. .
.. .I've decided to build some boxes that will be used to store CDs in a
.. couple

RE: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question

2007-02-10 Thread William Stephan
Ron, I'll play around with some scraps and see how this comes out,
thanks.
 
 
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Sure you can cut a rabbet with a circular saw. It is a matter of setting
the depth of cut on the saw and using a guide clamped so the main cut is
done following along it. Then come out a little and make multiple passes
so you make numerous saw cuts then use a hand chisel to split them out
and smooth up the joint.. I don't remember the lenth and width of the
pieces you were using, but you could clamp them together and cut across
a number of them at one time. Make sure to put the wider base of the saw
on uncut material all the time so the correct depth of cut will be
controlled.
Ron
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Thanks Ron. I don't think I have the tools to do this, but it's a good
idea. About all I have in the way of woodworking tools is a circ saw, a
handheld jigsaw and some hand saws. Do you think it would be possible to
cut rabbets with the tools I already have?

I think there's going to be a total of 24 of these boxes, so this should
keep me busy until the weather warms up if that's ever going to happen.

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.
.A suggestion comes to mind regardless of which lumber you use. If you
cut a rabbet in the front and back the end grain of the sides will be
covered and you can nail or screw through the front and back into the
sides then you can slso nail or screw through the sides into the front
and rear. Doing this locks the lumber together both ways and makes for
stronger. I would suggest pilot holes if using screws.
.Ron
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yahoogroups.com 
. Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 1:31 PM
. Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question
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.
. I've decided to build some boxes that will be used to store CDs in a
couple cabinets we have. These will be simple, just a bottom, and four
sides. I think I want the bottoms and fronts and backs to be 3/4 inches
thick. 
.
. Basically, I'm thinking about either 1x8s or 3/4 inch plywood. If I
use the 1x8s, there's likely to be some waste, whereas if I use plywood,
there'll be a lot less.
.
. My question to you folks then is whether there's a reason not to screw
into the edges of plywood. There's not going to be a lot of stress on
these obviously, but I know the center sheets in plywood can be pretty
low in grade.
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. Thoughts?
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Plywood question

2007-02-10 Thread William Stephan
Larry, thanks for the suggestions/info, I do have a tendency to
over-build stuff, probably because I don't really have a lot of skills
in terms of the finer points of woodworking.
 
 
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p.s. you also could use either 1/2 inch or 3/8 inch thick plywood. Both
would have plenty of strength as well as sufficient glue area on the
edges. 

--
Larry Martin
Woodworking for the Blind
--joining the world of blind wood workers

-- Original message --
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 I've decided to build some boxes that will be used to store CDs in a
couple 
 cabinets we have. These will be simple, just a bottom, and four sides.
I think 
 I want the bottoms and fronts and backs to be 3/4 inches thick. 
 
 Basically, I'm thinking about either 1x8s or 3/4 inch plywood. If I
use the 
 1x8s, there's likely to be some waste, whereas if I use plywood,
there'll be a 
 lot less.
 
 My question to you folks then is whether there's a reason not to screw
into the 
 edges of plywood. There's not going to be a lot of stress on these
obviously, 
 but I know the center sheets in plywood can be pretty low in grade.
 
 Thoughts?
 
 
 

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