Re: Br!n: The Core - spoilers
Spoilers all about In a message dated 3/28/2003 10:06:33 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This movie did a pretty good job of destroying any real scientific plausibility. But it pretty much played on that implausibility. Unlike one of the rock's gonna get us movies that stated that the thing's the size of Texas and only six telescopes in the world can see it, there wasn't any one single line in The Core that made me want to give the screen the traditional one finger salute. **Short interruption** 10 pts for naming the movie: See that bright star right next to the full moon? That's Venus. They should'a played up the silly science more. When the demo unit cuts the tunnel through the hillside, the inventor should have patted the unit and said, I call this baby My Horta. The first hour was not bad and the special effects of that first hour were great. The shuttle landing/crash was awesome. But once they launched into the earths crust, the movie was pretty much down hill from there (pun intended). And I thought that instead of EARTH, there'd be a special effect comparison if SUNDIVER was ever made into a movie. wait until this one hoes to the dollar theater. Gary Hoes? I'd give the movie a racking over, but a hoe is reserved for bigger dirt clods. I give it a bit better review. See it for $5 in a paretically packed theater. It's the people in the crowd that never think about the silly science that carry the mood of the film. The music was more annoying than mood setting. Why do a very bad alteration to the Planets score when every other movie just rips off the original. I sat through the entire credits to see if Global Effects Ltd did the spacesuits. No luck in finding any suit reference. William Taylor -- ...would've gone to Spirited Away if not for this list. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Etiology of SARS Probably Identified
From one of my ejournal services: Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) Update: Friday, March 28, 2003 Medscape Medical News 2003. © 2003 Medscape Craig Sterritt, Editor, Medscape Infectious Diseases Scientists at the University of Hong Kong announced yesterday that they have developed a diagnostic test to rapidly identify cases of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). The researchers also announced that they had confirmed a coronavirus as the cause of SARS. Confident of their findings, the team recommended that SARS, a provisional name for the disease, be renamed coronavirus pneumonia or CVP. Epidemiology: The World Health Organization (WHO) cumulative tallies of suspected SARS cases and deaths are now 1,408 and 53, respectively. These daily counts, reported on March 27, include 85 new cases and 4 new deaths compared with the previous day. Romania was added to WHO's list of affected countries today, with 3 suspected cases identified there. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is now reporting a total of 51 suspected U.S. cases in 21 states, up from 45 cases on March 26. On March 26, Chinese authorities officially reported a total of 792 SARS cases and 31 deaths that occurred in 7 cities of Guangdong Province between November 16, 2002, and February 28, 2003. WHO is presently reporting a total of 806 suspected SARS cases and 34 deaths in mainland China. Health officials in Singapore have quarantined 861 people with flu-like symptoms and have closed all schools until April 6. A total of 78 SARS cases and 2 deaths have been reported there. More than 1,000 people were quarantined and schools were ordered closed in Hong Kong late yesterday. This followed the identification of 51 new SARS cases and a warning by a top health official that SARS was spreading among the general public. Health officials in the U.S. and elsewhere, however, continue to stress that transmission of SARS appears to require close and prolonged contact, as among case patients and healthcare workers and case patients and family members. Etiology: Scientists at the University of Hong Kong announced on March 27 that they have confirmed a coronavirus as the cause of SARS. The CDC announced Monday that a new coronavirus was the prime suspect in the search for the cause of SARS. Julie Gerberding, MD, director of the CDC, stated that the detected virus did not appear to be a known coronavirus. We know from sequencing pieces of the virus DNA that it is not identical to the coronaviruses that we have seen in the past. This may very well be a new or emerging coronavirus infection, but it is very premature to assign a cause. Diagnosis, Treatment, Outcomes: Scientists at the University of Hong Kong announced yesterday that they have developed a diagnostic test to rapidly identify SARS cases. The test is based on polymerase chain reaction (PCR) technology. So far, test results in confirmed SARS cases have been consistently positive, while healthy controls have consistently tested negative. Another test, an immunofluorescence assay, is also in development. In a virtual grand rounds on clinical features and treatment of SARS organized by WHO on Wednesday, clinicians managing SARS patients described disease features at presentation, treatment, progression, prognostic indicators, and discharge criteria. There was general consensus that no specific therapy demonstrated any particular effectiveness. According to a summary of the proceedings distributed by the ProMED email program of the International Society for Infectious Diseases, participating clinicians agreed that a subset of SARS patients, perhaps 10 percent, decline and need mechanical assistance to breathe. These people often have other illnesses that complicate their care. In this group, mortality is high. According to the summary, however, the majority of patients show improvement in signs and symptoms at day 6 or 7. The CDC page: http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/sars/ The WHO page: http://www.who.int/csr/sars/en/ Debbi __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Philosopher of Islamic Terror
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/23/magazine/23GURU.html?ex=1049000400en=f4 8ff06342dcd9f1ei=5040partner=MOREOVER 10 pages A thought-provoking -and scary- article; it dovetails with the book I'm 2/3 of the way through right now, _What Went Wrong_ by Bernard Lewis. [review at:] http://www.wkonline.com/a/What_Went_Wrong_Western_Impact_and_Middle_Eastern_Response_0195144201.htm ...But this was no good at all. Monastic asceticism stands at odds with the physical quality of human nature. In this manner, in Qutb's view, Christianity lost touch with the physical world. The old code of Moses, with its laws for diet, dress, marriage, sex and everything else, had enfolded the divine and the worldly into a single concept, which was the worship of God. But Christianity divided these things into two, the sacred and the secular. Christianity said, ''Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's.'' Christianity put the physical world in one corner and the spiritual world in another corner: Constantine's debauches over here, monastic renunciation over there. In Qutb's view there was a ''hideous schizophrenia'' in this approach to life. And things got worse... [pg 4] ...The truly dangerous element in American life, in his estimation, was not capitalism or foreign policy or racism or the unfortunate cult of women's independence. The truly dangerous element lay in America's separation of church and state -- the modern political legacy of Christianity's ancient division between the sacred and the secular. This was not a political criticism. This was theological -- though Qutb, or perhaps his translators, preferred the word ''ideological.'' [pg 6] grim laugh And from my reading thus far, I was going to say that it seems the success of the Western world (innovation, tolerance of differences, civil liberties) is because of that very separation! Talk about your irreconcilable differences... ...The true confrontation, the deepest confrontation of all, was over Islam and nothing but Islam. Religion was the issue. Qutb could hardly be clearer on this topic...Turkey's revolutionary leader at that time, Kemal Ataturk, abolished the institutional remnants of the ancient caliphate -- the caliphate that Qutb so fervently wanted to resurrect. The Turks in this fashion had tried to abolish the very idea and memory of an Islamic state. Qutb worried that, if secular reformers in other Muslim countries had any success, Islam was going to be pushed into a corner, separate from the state. True Islam was going to end up as partial Islam. But partial Islam, in his view, did not exist...Shariah, in a word, was utopia for Sayyid Qutb. It was perfection. It was the natural order in the universal. It was freedom, justice, humanity and divinity in a single system. It was a vision as grand or grander than Communism or any of the other totalitarian doctrines of the 20th century. It was, in his words, ''the total liberation of man from enslavement by others.'' It was an impossible vision -- a vision that was plainly going to require a total dictatorship in order to enforce... [pgs 6...7...8] The article ends with a call for an opposing view to be voiced as passionately - but sane. Debbi Doctrine Of Otherness Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
repugs fighting to save tax cuts for the rich
http://archive.nytimes.com/2003/03/27/opinion/27THU2.html Selective Sacrifice on the Home Front With a costly war raging and the government's deficit deepening by the day, Republican Congressional leaders are rushing to an insiders-only closed conference that threatens to be a landmark in down-and-dirty budget politicking. Tax cuts for the affluent paid for by program cuts for the needy will be on the table. The leaders' main goal is to reverse the embarrassing Senate blow dealt to the president and salvage his full $726 billion deficit-feeding plan for more tax cuts for upper-bracket Americans. While the House followed President Bush in lock step, Senate Democrats and moderate Republicans rebelled at such wartime excess and cut it in half. The conference, run tight as a poker game by a few G.O.P. leaders and White House budgeteers, will dictate a resolution of the differences. We urge the Republican moderates who have been arguing for fiscal sanity to pound on the conference door, if necessary, in defending their stand. They must make it clear to their leaders that they will not vote for any bill that includes such crippling tax cuts in a time of war. Far more is at stake than the rebellion against the $396 billion dividend tax cut, which House leaders will be fiercely protecting in the resolution haggling. Disastrous spending cuts already approved by the House across a wide swath of health, education and welfare programs are also at issue. These $265 billion in cuts were ordered in a blanket attack against waste, fraud and abuse by House leaders in a pretense at budget responsibility as they embraced Mr. Bush's far more costly tax cuts. The most vulnerable Americans will not be represented at the conference, but three-fifths of the cuts are likely to fall on the impoverished, the disabled and the working poor, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a Washington watchdog group. Millions of needy children are particularly targeted by severe cuts looming in child care, food stamps, workfare and school lunch programs. Their fate will be set. Senate moderates must resolve to vote against any budget resolution that hacks away at the needy. President Bush did not seek these cuts. Here is his chance to wax compassionate and order his conferees to fight as much for the poorest Americans as for the wealthiest. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Freedom of speech threatened
http://www.tennessean.com/nation-world/archives/03/03/30705360.shtml?Eleme nt_ID=30705360 Freedom of speech threatened, Gore says By MARGO RIVERS Staff Writer MURFREESBORO With fewer companies owning more media outlets, the lack of tolerance for opposing views increases, former Vice President Al Gore told a college audience here last night. Using recent attacks on the Dixie Chicks that followed anti-war comments by one group member as an example, Gore said big corporations threaten the true meaning of democracy because representatives through various media outlets try to stamp out opposing views with financial retaliation. Earlier this month, Dixie Chicks lead singer Natalie Maines criticized President Bush for the war on Iraq while she was performing in Britain. As a result, many radio stations across the country stopped playing the group's songs. ''They were made to feel un-American and risked economic retaliation because of what was said,'' Gore said. ''Our democracy has taken a hit. Our best protection is free and open debate.'' Gore's concern over limiting opposition was one of the topics in his lecture at Middle Tennessee State University to about 250 students, faculty and community members. As head of the John Seigenthaler Chair of Excellence in First Amendment Studies, Gore talked about how the mass entertainment media has affected the American family and democracy. ''Mass media has had a pervasive impact on families. Most families don't have dinner together and of those that do, a television is on during the entire dinner.'' Besides substituting for family communication, Gore said the entertainment industry has contributed to immobility, debts, lower voter participation and increased cynicism. He said his biggest concern is people's inability to hear and express an opposing view. He called it ''an extremely serious problem.'' MTSU student Ada Egenji agreed. She said she noticed that peace rallies haven't gotten much coverage since the war started last week. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Microbial Threats to Health: Emergence, Detection, and Response(2003)
This is an open book (still uncorrected) by the Institute of Medicine on infectious disease; I couldn't figure out how to paste excerpts - it's an odd (to me at least) format. http://www.nap.edu/books/030908864X/html/ Waiting For The Next Pandemic Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Microbial Threats to Health: Emergence, Detection, and Response(2003)
On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 05:25:19AM -0800, Deborah Harrell wrote: This is an open book (still uncorrected) by the Institute of Medicine on infectious disease; I couldn't figure out how to paste excerpts - it's an odd (to me at least) format. http://www.nap.edu/books/030908864X/html/ The pages are just .gif bitmap images. No wonder you couldn't paste excerpts :-) -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: long term stellar ephemeris
At 01:28 AM 3/29/03 +, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: I'm not sure about _accelerations_, That's the problem, isn't it? But maybe if we don't expect any two stars to get close enough, Well, let's see: the distance from the Sun to alpha Centauri is about 30,000,000 solar diameters or 60,000,000 solar radii, so what is the attraction between the two stars? An illustration I have heard (not necessarily precise) is that two stars in our Galaxy have about the same chance of colliding as two flies which start from opposite ends of the Grand Canyon. they will just follow some 200 or so million year orbit around the Galaxy, which will reduce to an almost straight line in anything of the order of 10 million years. That is clearly what the author of the ST article (below) did. 10my/225my = 0.28 radians or 16°, a little large for using the small angle formulas (although technically the angle is only +/- 8° from the present position). I suppose one might try approximating the path as an arc of a circle rather than a straight line, though the particular curve fit one used might be as likely to make it less accurate as more accurate than the straight-line approximation. but the Hipparcos/Tycho catalog has the best currently available information on the motions of the stars it lists Ok There was an article in _Sky and Telescope_ within the past few years in which that data was used to determine which star was the apparently brightest star as seen from Earth at any given time during the interval 5 mybp to 5 myap. I believe this is the article: Computers in Astronomy Once and Future Celestial Kings By Jocelyn Tomkin | April 1998, p. 59-63 (PDF: 255 kilobytes) To purchase a copy of the article in PDF format for $2.95US, go to: http://skyandtelescope.com/shopatsky/_additem.asp?aaid=199804059063 Also, here's an item about a red dwarf which will come within 1 ly of the Sun about a million years from now: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap970626.html m = 1/1000. Do you mean My or ky? mybp is frequently used by geologists as an abbreviation for million years before present. (Frex, Alberio will be the brightest star in the sky about 4.5 my from now.) Does this sound like what you need? Yep - ** if ** they explicitly give an error If so, are you familiar with the Hip/Tyc catalog and its data format, or do you need more information? No; but I guess I can find it quickly with a google search. It's free, isn't it? Probably some Megabytes of data Home page: http://astro.estec.esa.nl/SA-general/Projects/Hipparcos/hipparcos.html I've been using the Gliese3 catalog for some time Unless they've updated it with Hipparcos data, the parallax/proper motion data is out of date. -- Ronn! :) Ronn Blankenship Instructor of Astronomy/Planetary Science University of Montevallo Montevallo, AL Disclaimer: Unless specifically stated otherwise, any opinions contained herein are the personal opinions of the author and do not represent the official position of the University of Montevallo. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Spoof - was Re: the wacky things religious conspiracytheorists believe
At 08:55 PM 3/28/03 -0800, Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: So, which do you want for Christmas - action figures of David and Goliath (I didn't see a Jezebel), or the first Bibleman adventure? I want Jael! I want Jael! Don't tell me there's no JAEL! I had no idea who Jael was, and Googled a bit: seems she was one of the few women in the OT to take an active role in nation-building (or at least general-killing), and pre-figured Judith: Do you know why Sisera was so surprised by Jael's action? [scroll down for answer] [ ... keep going ... ] Because such a thing had never entered his head before. -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Br¡n: The Core - spoilers
At 12:03 AM 3/29/03 -0500, Gary L. Nunn wrote: RE: BRIN: Re: a call to the irregulars! No mention of using earthquakes as weapons, for example. I had had an impression they were going down to look for something that had fallen. Instead, they are apparently trying to re-start the Earth's dynamo with a nuke. yeep. Well, actually they did mention using seismic activity as a weapon. The basis of the movie was that this weapon caused the outer core of the Earth to stop spinning. Huh? The _outer_ core of the Earth is _liquid_. The _inner_ core is _solid_ and rotates within the liquid outer core independently of the mantle crust, completing about one extra rotation (compared to the mantle/crust) about every 400 years. It is currently thought by many geologists planetary scientists that the stirring of the electrically conductive liquid iron outer core due to the difference in rotation speeds between the inner core and the mantle is what generates the Earth's magnetic field. This movie did a pretty good job of destroying any real scientific plausibility. The first hour was not bad and the special effects of that first hour were great. The shuttle landing/crash was awesome. But once they launched into the earths crust, the movie was pretty much down hill from there (pun intended). wait until this one »hoes« to the dollar theater. It's going to dig it's way there? -- Ronn! :) Ronn Blankenship Instructor of Astronomy/Planetary Science University of Montevallo Montevallo, AL Disclaimer: Unless specifically stated otherwise, any opinions contained herein are the personal opinions of the author and do not represent the official position of the University of Montevallo. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Etiology of SARS Probably Identified
On 29 Mar 2003 at 0:51, Deborah Harrell wrote: they had confirmed a coronavirus as the cause of SARS. And um. What precisely IS a coronavirus? I can't remember hearing the term before... Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Microbial Threats to Health: Emergence, Detection, and Response(2003)
On 29 Mar 2003 at 8:27, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Mar 29, 2003 at 05:25:19AM -0800, Deborah Harrell wrote: This is an open book (still uncorrected) by the Institute of Medicine on infectious disease; I couldn't figure out how to paste excerpts - it's an odd (to me at least) format. http://www.nap.edu/books/030908864X/html/ The pages are just .gif bitmap images. No wonder you couldn't paste excerpts :-) Yeah, but consider - as I recall ALL the NAP books are avalible in the online reading format :) Yes, admitedly because of the market they publish for they still sell loads, but it's still extremely interesting. Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 51%
On March 28, 2003 2:40 PM, Julia asked: That is an oxymoron! In light of the above IQ definition, what *would* an oxymoron be? :) : a combination of contradictory or incongruous words. Cheers! -- Han Tacoma ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
[Listref] Massive online sky survey completed
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/03/28/sky.survey.ap/index.html Astronomers have completed the most thorough high-resolution digital survey of the heavens and released its 5 million images on the Internet. The map of the sky took four years of observations and $40 million to complete. It contains an estimated 500 million celestial objects, mostly stars but also galaxies, asteroids and comets. The public will 'ooh and aah' at the pictures, while scientists will mine the data for decades, Michael Skrutskie, principal investigator for the project, said Thursday. The project's twin telescopes, located in Arizona and Chile, mapped the sky in the infrared part of the electromagnetic spectrum. Infrared wavelengths are longer than the red light visible to human eyes. Infrared radiation -- heat -- pierces the dust and gas that shrouds much of the universe from view, allowing the telescopes to see objects that would otherwise be invisible to view. The University of Massachusetts Amherst led the Two Micron All-Sky Survey. NASA and the National Science Foundation funded the project. xponent Big, Small, And Deep Maru rob You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here. And whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Etiology of SARS Probably Identified
In a message dated 3/29/2003 8:39:39 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And um. What precisely IS a coronavirus? I can't remember hearing the term before... Andy Dawn Falcon A bug that exists only in Mexican beer? William Taylor - As the worm turns... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: long term stellar ephemeris
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: That's the problem, isn't it? But maybe if we don't expect any two stars to get close enough, An illustration I have heard (not necessarily precise) is that two stars in our Galaxy have about the same chance of colliding as two flies which start from opposite ends of the Grand Canyon. But I am not talking about _collision_. I am talking about getting close enough for enough time to change their speeds more than the initial errors in the measurement of those speeds. And there are 100 thousand million flies, or 10 thousand trillion pairs of stars :-) Also, here's an item about a red dwarf which will come within 1 ly of the Sun about a million years from now: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap970626.html Ok, so we can assume that the Sun will keep its current orbit around the Galaxy. But what about other stars? m = 1/1000. Do you mean My or ky? mybp is frequently used by geologists as an abbreviation for million years before present. Bloody non-standard bastards. What is the abbreviation of year? yr? _Certainly_ m stands for 1/1000, not 10^6 Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
[A Distraction] New York Bullfight / Go Texas
http://www.nydailynews.com/city_life/big_town/v-pfriendly/story/70069p-65206 c.html In 1880, one Senor Angel Fernandez decided to make a killing in New York's bull market. His big mistake was doing it at 116th St. and Sixth Ave. instead of in the lush financial meadows of Wall Street. The result was more a bovine burlesque than an exhibition of courage and skill. Fernandez herded Angel Valdemoro, said to be the favorite torero of the King of Spain, and seven other bullfighters into Manhattan, rented a plot of Harlem land for $333.33 a month and proceeded to build a roofless amphitheater accommodating some 5,000. He then rounded up 11 Texas steers, easily obtained in a town that had a major appetite for beef. Finally, he plastered the town with posters announcing: 3 GRAND BULL-FIGHT PERFORMANCES ONLY The first fight was scheduled for July 31. The others were slated for Aug. 3 and Aug. 6. While the advertising did not cause a fever of interest in the teeming downtown part of the city, it did win the attention of Henry Bergh of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. Bergh was not placated by the Spanish impresario's claim that his bullfights would be bloodless and cultural. He showed with half a dozen officers of the animal-hugging society. On hand also was a troupe of nearly 60 uniformed police. Since the arena was in a remote area of the city, reported the New York Tribune, situated on a rural-looking plain, the crowd began showing up early for the 5 p.m. exhibition. But Fernandez had neglected to hire enough ticket sellers, and by the time of the fight more than half the seats in the shaky arena were empty and the street near the ticket booth was jammed with an unhappy crowd. Finally, with nearly 5,000 people paying $1.50 for a spot on the rough board seats, the show began, more than a half-hour late. The festivities commenced with the eight bullfighters parading into the 80-foot-wide ring to a brass band accompaniment. The crowd expected real action, because Texas steers were a familiar hazard of the late 19th century urban landscape, often breaking free on their way to becoming steaks. They were disappointed. Texas steers have created many exciting scenes in the streets of New York by tossing women and children on their sharp horns and becoming traveling targets for harmless fusillades from the pistols of policemen, said the Herald. But in the bull ring, among grandly dressed Spanish toreros, caudillas and caudillos, the Texas steer is a mild and comparatively inoffensive animal. Sharp horns had been blunted with rubber balls, and the toreros would not use swords or darts. Instead, they would mark the bulls with red rosettes stuck on with mucilage. After the toreros in their velvet knee pants strutted around the ring for two or three minutes, Bull No. l was released. The animal made a reluctant appearance until the band struck up Hail Columbia and the Spaniards began waving their capes. He then charged, sending the bullfighters jumping out of the ring to a protected alley in front of the grandstands. As the crowd roared with laughter, the bull took a leap worthy of a greyhound and followed his tormentors. He was finally driven back into the ring with the help of spectators who used canes and umbrellas. Bull No. 2 was less energetic and the crowd bellowed that Valdemoro should try and milk it. Bull No. 3 came out, paused to size up the situation and then charged at every human in his view, clearing the ring in about three seconds, according to the Tribune, and bringing the crowd to its feet cheering, Go Texas! The fighting went downhill from there. The next four bulls were not in the least pugnacious and the crowd surrendered itself to raillery interspersed with hissing. Pretty soon, a chant of Get your money back at the box office was taken up by the unhappy ticket holders. The stands were emptying long before the last steer was let loose into the ring, and the few spectators remaining turned their anger on the toreros who couldn't seem even to annoy the animals, who generally just stood and watched them or headed back to the stalls whence they came. The only happy person in the arena was Bergh of the SPCA, who told reporters that bullfighting was something that New York did not need. By the time of the second scheduled bullfight, Fernandez found himself gored by creditors and his arena in possession of a deputy sheriff. He owed everybody, including the printer of his posters. His enterprise ended ignominiously when three of the Texas steers busted out of the arena, stampeded into Central Park and splashed around in the lake at 110th St. A large crowd gathered and watched as cops moved in on the jumping beasts. The chase went on all night. By morning, two of the steers had been shot dead. The third disappeared into the park's woods and was never seen again. Fernandez's property was seized, including the remaining cattle, which were sold to a butcher. He
Iraqis targeted W ranch
Terror team tried to sneak into Texas through Mexico http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/71011p-65986c.html An Iraqi terror team armed with millions of dollars tried to get smuggled into the U.S. through Mexico to Crawford, Tex. - the site of President Bush's ranch, a law enforcement source said yesterday. The alarming attempt to infiltrate the country occurred this month, the source said. It is not known what the Iraqis planned to do in Crawford, but Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein tried to assassinate Bush's father, the former President George Bush, in 1993. The unidentified Iraqis wanted to hire smugglers to sneak them into the U.S. because they wanted to get to the Crawford ranch, according to the well-placed law enforcement source. They also asked a Mexican doctor and a lawyer named Claudio to change about $100 million in Iraqi dinars into U.S. currency - about $325 million. Secret Service officials would not comment yesterday about the possible threat or the suspects' whereabouts. The President and First Lady Laura Bush spend most of their downtime on the 1,600-acre Prairie Chapel Ranch, nestled in the central Texas scrubland. Bush used the Texas White House to woo world leaders into his coalition of the willing against Saddam. The assassination attempt on Bush's father came as the former President attended ceremonies in Kuwait celebrating the success of the Gulf War, which ousted Saddam's troops from Kuwait. Because of the failed assassination, then-President Bill Clinton ordered a Tomahawk missile barrage on Iraq. The current President has not forgotten the attempt to kill his father. A red-faced Bush recently reminded a visitor of the 1993 plot by Saddam, and said, The SOB tried to kill my dad. Other plots thwarted Iraq's attempt to infiltrate the U.S. came to light as U.S. officials announced they had thwarted Iraqi-sponsored terrorism in two foreign countries, as well as plots directed at U.S. targets. There are two countries where operations have been compromised, and we have information on plots in other countries, State Department spokesman Philip Reeker said. Department officials declined to say whether the Mexico report had any connection to those Iraqi terrorist plots. In both foreign cases, the operatives were arrested, terrorist material was confiscated and the attacks were not carried out, said another State Department spokesman, Richard Boucher. The U.S. has asked a number of countries to expel suspected Iraqi intelligence officers, based on the significant threat posed by their presence, Boucher said. xponent Assassination For Dummies Maru rob My love and I, we escaped, we left no trace For they had raped both body and soul ... The taste was much too hard to swallow, We ran naked through the cold ... Above our heads, in fiery red, The clouds, they bled like open wounds across the sky ... The wings of many nations, falling, burning, turning, Trying oh, so hard to die ... Oh, oh, oh, oh, there's Panic in the World ... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Brin-L population explosion, cont'd
From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dunno how we'll refer to the third one. Abstractly, right now it's Gamma. (And make all the radiation cracks you want now.) Just how many letters of the Greek alphabet are you planning on going through? grin I always suggest stopping at two. The second one makes for MUCH more work than just one. As my brother-in-law said, One child is a hobby, two is a career! - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Counterprotester picture
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But perhaps the MORANS is a contraction for MORE RANS, or past Democratic presidential wannabes. It could a further mispelling of MORE RAMS. But wait, that would put him back in St. Louis, again... - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Irregulars Question: long term stellar ephemeris
From: Alberto Monteiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone have any idea of the accelerations [in a non-rotating frame of reference, relative to the Sun] of the stars in the Sun neighbourhood and the bright stars in our sky for some long time? I'm not worried about the _precision_ of the acceleration, as long as I have it for thousands or even millions of years Uh... no... - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: You know what would be cool?
From: Deborah Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] When I was into 'Dungeons and Dragons,' I did paint miniature cast figurines, and among the warlocks, necromancers, goblins and elven archers were various knights and mounted characters - does that count? :) Debbi who still misses those all-night sessions of gaming So, why did you stop? Real life does intrude and the all-night gaming sessions get more difficult. But I've been gaming every Wednesday night with the same group of guys for over 13 years now. We all decided long ago that gaming was an important part of our lives and wanted to continue. Fortunately, for me, I have a very wonderful wife who understands how important it is to me. (There were a couple of guys who dropped out of the group who's SO's didn't understand that...) - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
this is so x-files
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/03/030327074535.htm --- Christ demanded: But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. --Luke 19:27 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin-L population explosion, cont'd
- Original Message - From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:23 AM Subject: RE: Brin-L population explosion, cont'd From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dunno how we'll refer to the third one. Abstractly, right now it's Gamma. (And make all the radiation cracks you want now.) Just how many letters of the Greek alphabet are you planning on going through? grin I always suggest stopping at two. The second one makes for MUCH more work than just one. As my brother-in-law said, One child is a hobby, two is a career! That is absolutely true, but after 2 each additional child is actually less of a load. I am the oldest of 7 in a family where the average is 4 - 5 children (I have 80 or so cousins via my 13 aunts and uncles and that's just my moms side of the family). After the second child, the older children do quite a bit to help with the younger children. And I can't tell you how wonderful it is to have so many relatives while you are growing up. xponent Opposite Problem In My Home Maru rob smart patrol nowhere to go suburban robots that monitor reality common stock we work around the clock we shove the poles in the holes ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin-L population explosion, cont'd
- Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:43 AM Subject: Re: Brin-L population explosion, cont'd - Original Message - From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:23 AM Subject: RE: Brin-L population explosion, cont'd From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dunno how we'll refer to the third one. Abstractly, right now it's Gamma. (And make all the radiation cracks you want now.) Just how many letters of the Greek alphabet are you planning on going through? grin I always suggest stopping at two. The second one makes for MUCH more work than just one. As my brother-in-law said, One child is a hobby, two is a career! That is absolutely true, but after 2 each additional child is actually less of a load. I am the oldest of 7 in a family where the average is 4 - 5 children (I have 80 or so cousins via my 13 aunts and uncles and that's just my moms side of the family). After the second child, the older children do quite a bit to help with the younger children. And I can't tell you how wonderful it is to have so many relatives while you are growing up. My experience is different from that. Going from one to two children wasn't a big deal. Going from 2 to three was like going from juggling 2 balls to juggling 3. Especially if one believes that there are very important parenting tasks that must not be delegated to a child who is less than 7 years older than the youngest. I would not have wanted my bossy eldest to really have power over the younger two. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Confusing Military Unit Terms and Links to Sources of Military TermDefinitions
Repost from [EMAIL PROTECTED] with permission from David and Chuck. Cheers! -- Han Tacoma ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ -- Date:Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:53:51 -0500 From:David P. Dillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RESOURCES: Confusing Military Unit Terms and Links to Sources of Military Term Definitions RESOURCES: Confusing Military Unit Terms and Links to Sources of Military Term Definitions I am reposting this message that I found useful with the kind permission of its author. I am taking the additional liberty of adding to it a few website links for dictionaries and glossaries of military terms. With the Iraq war in progress there may be a much increased need to understand the exact meanings of the information about the war that one is reading. -- Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:24:39 -0600 From: Chuck Malone [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Discussion of Government Document Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: confusing military unit terms Resent-Subject: confusing military unit terms I have always had trouble with the military unit terms when helping patrons researching military history in the D114 section. And these terms used in the news can be confusing also. So below, I have looked up definitions of the various unit terms. I think I have the units listed from largest to smallest. This was helpful to me. I hope it will be helpful to you. Also, if anyone with more expertise can add or correct anything, please do! Charles E. Malone, Unit Coordinator Government and Legal Information Unit University Libraries Western Illinois University 1 University Circle Macomb, IL 61455 (309) 298-2719 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Military Unit Terms Group 1. A flexible administrative and tactical unit composed of either two or more battalions or two or more squadrons. The term also applies to combat support and combat service support units. 2. A number of ships and/or aircraft, normally a subdivision of a force, assigned for a specific purpose. Also called GP. (1) Field Army Administrative and tactical organization composed of a headquarters, certain organic Army troops, service support troops, a variable number of corps, and a variable number of divisions. See also Army corps. (1) Army corps A tactical unit larger than a division and smaller than a field army. A corps usually consists of two or more divisions together with auxiliary arms and services. See also field army. (1) Corps In the Army and Marine Corps, a tactical unit of ground combat forces organizationally placed between a division and an army. It is typically commanded by a lieutenant general and is comprised of two or more divisions. (2) Division (DOD, NATO) 1. A tactical unit/formation as follows: a. A major administrative and tactical unit/formation which combines in itself the necessary arms and services required for sustained combat, larger than a regiment/brigade and smaller than a corps (1) Brigade (DOD) A unit usually smaller than a division to which are attached groups and/or battalions and smaller units tailored to meet anticipated requirements. Also called BDE. (1) In the U.S. Army, three or more battalions plus a headquarters section under the command of a colonel. Capable of independent military operations, a brigade has between 4,000 and 5,000 personnel (2) Regiment A military unit that consists of two or more battalions of ground troops (e.g. infantry, artillery, nonarmored cavalry). The term has been used since before the American Revolution, but it was officially dropped by the U.S. Army in the 1960s as part of its division reorganization effort. Today, both the Army and the Marine Corps use the term Brigade instead. However, unofficially, traditional regiments continue to use their regimental identification. (e.g., 16th Infantry Regiment instead of 2d/16th Infantry). Marine regiments add Marines t a unit's designation for identification purposes (e.g., 3/3 Marines for the 3d Reconnaissance Battalion/2d Marine Regiment). This way Army and Marine units are not confused with one another. (2) Battalion In the U.S. Army, four or more companies plus a headquarters section under the command of lieutenant colonel. (2) Company In the Army and Marine Corps, a unit under a captain's change that is mad up of a headquarters section and two or more platoons (i.e., 140+ personnel). Note: A platoon is four infantry squads under a lieutenant's control; an infantry squad is comprised of ten men under a staff sergeant.) A company is the basic element of the battalion.. In the artillery, a company is known as a battery; in the cavalry it's know as a troop. A tank company is comprised of 17 tanks, divided into three platoons. Independent companies are usually assigned numerical names (e.g. 5th Transportation Co.); companies permanently assigned to a battalion, an alphabetic name
RE: Brin-L population explosion, cont'd
From: Robert Seeberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am the oldest of 7 in a family where the average is 4 - 5 children (I have 80 or so cousins via my 13 aunts and uncles and that's just my moms side of the family). After the second child, the older children do quite a bit to help with the younger children. And I can't tell you how wonderful it is to have so many relatives while you are growing up. I agree that a large family is nice. I'm the youngest of 7 myself. I loved having so many brothers and sisters growing up and it's nice now to have a large family to visit with and all. But I don't know how my parents survived it! - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin-L population explosion, cont'd
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:58 AM Subject: Re: Brin-L population explosion, cont'd - Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:43 AM Subject: Re: Brin-L population explosion, cont'd - Original Message - From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:23 AM Subject: RE: Brin-L population explosion, cont'd From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dunno how we'll refer to the third one. Abstractly, right now it's Gamma. (And make all the radiation cracks you want now.) Just how many letters of the Greek alphabet are you planning on going through? grin I always suggest stopping at two. The second one makes for MUCH more work than just one. As my brother-in-law said, One child is a hobby, two is a career! That is absolutely true, but after 2 each additional child is actually less of a load. I am the oldest of 7 in a family where the average is 4 - 5 children (I have 80 or so cousins via my 13 aunts and uncles and that's just my moms side of the family). After the second child, the older children do quite a bit to help with the younger children. And I can't tell you how wonderful it is to have so many relatives while you are growing up. My experience is different from that. Going from one to two children wasn't a big deal. Going from 2 to three was like going from juggling 2 balls to juggling 3. Especially if one believes that there are very important parenting tasks that must not be delegated to a child who is less than 7 years older than the youngest. I would not have wanted my bossy eldest to really have power over the younger two. It wasn't really like that, and I would agree with your statement. Our experience was that the older children would play with the younger ones, teach them things such as speech, silly kid songs, and things *not* to do. With that kind of play occuring, mom only had to keep an ear on the kids while she did other things. I might note that this is the standard that has held for thousands of years, and actually works pretty well. Of course this is pretty broad as a statement, and there are lots of special circumstances that could be addressed, but this is the way things generally have worked on both the Catholic and the Baptist sides of my family. (BTW the previous post concerned itself with the Baptist side of the family.) xponent I Have One Child And Will Have No Others Maru rob but i ain't got a hammer and i ain't got a pencil and i ain't got a lasso so i'm doing it the hard way like a post post-modern man ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Br!n: The Core - spoilers
Hoes? I'd give the movie a racking over, but a hoe is reserved for bigger dirt clods. Freudian typo. And you thought that I was talking about the kind of how that you move dirt with :-) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Etiology of SARS Probably Identified
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/29/2003 8:39:39 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And um. What precisely IS a coronavirus? I can't remember hearing the term before... Andy Dawn Falcon A bug that exists only in Mexican beer? William Taylor - As the worm turns... Mmm, tequila. And what does Dos Equis have to do with anything above? ;) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Br¡n: The Core - spoilers
The _outer_ core of the Earth is _liquid_. The _inner_ core is _solid_ and rotates within the liquid outer core Clearly, actual science took back seat to artistic license in this movie. And sadly, artistic license and what I call the cheesy factor took priority over good acting. It's going to dig it's way there? It was a combination of melting, falling, and tunneling in their slightly pornographic looking ship. Even if I suspended belief AND helped that frame of mind along with alcohol, I still don't see how the mechanics of their ship allowed them to navigate. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin-L population explosion, cont'd
Horn, John wrote: From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dunno how we'll refer to the third one. Abstractly, right now it's Gamma. (And make all the radiation cracks you want now.) Just how many letters of the Greek alphabet are you planning on going through? grin No more than 3. :) I always suggest stopping at two. The second one makes for MUCH more work than just one. As my brother-in-law said, One child is a hobby, two is a career! And 5 has the potential to make your relatives sigh with relief the year your family can't make it for Thanksgiving Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Etiology of SARS Probably Identified
In a message dated 3/29/2003 11:31:31 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mmm, tequila. And what does Dos Equis have to do with anything above? ;) Julia More horses for Debbi? William Taylor - Anything for another non-Iraqi post. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin-L population explosion, cont'd
Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:23 AM Subject: RE: Brin-L population explosion, cont'd I always suggest stopping at two. The second one makes for MUCH more work than just one. As my brother-in-law said, One child is a hobby, two is a career! That is absolutely true, but after 2 each additional child is actually less of a load. I am the oldest of 7 in a family where the average is 4 - 5 children (I have 80 or so cousins via my 13 aunts and uncles and that's just my moms side of the family). After the second child, the older children do quite a bit to help with the younger children. And I can't tell you how wonderful it is to have so many relatives while you are growing up. I'm guessing that that actually depends on spacing, really. Frex, it sure isn't going to be helpful if it turns out that I'm carrying twins right now. :) (And if that turns out to be the case, I am going to pray fervently that my parents-in-law decide that maybe they want to live in Texas again, preferably closer to the son with children than the son without.) But it *is* nice having relatives. Of all Sammy's grandparents' families, the only one that isn't scattered to the four winds is Dan's mother. A lot of us get together to celebrate Thanksgiving every year. Her parents had 5 children. They gave her 12 grandchildren. There are 20 great-grandchildren, if I'm counting right. There were 40 relatives at Thanksgiving last year, which is a nice number for Thanksgiving, IMO. (There were 3 other people not related to any of us, friends of the hosting family, and they were fun to have around as well.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Confusing Military Unit Terms and Links to Sources of MilitaryTerm Definitions
When I told David and Chuck that Latin terminology for military and civil service. [Ancient History] http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/militaryterms/ points to: http://www.geocities.com/~stilicho/mottoes2.html and the URL is dead, David was very kind to provide alternatives to the URL, and then some. I made use of http://makeashorterlink.com to keep you from having to cut and paste. Cheers! -- Han Tacoma ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ - Original Message - From: David P. Dillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Han Tacoma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Repost thumbs up That is a case of accepting a brand name. Usually there are some good leads on About.com pages so when that page worked, I stopped and accepted. I did not notice that they have only one good link and that that link does not currently work. It may, however, be done temporarily. Nevertheless the page refered to may be viewed in Internet Archive at this URL: http://web.archive.org/web/20020212103157/http:// www.geocities.com/~stilicho/mottoes2.html http://makeashorterlink.com/?Y4C521304 All available versions of the page can be seen from this master link page for that URL: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http:// www.geocities.com/~stilicho/mottoes2.html http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z6F513304 So, if you will pardon the pun, it is possible to still do some Roman around on the ghost of that website that About.com refers to and if you get this in time, you can do a substitution in the material for About.com (.) The page is named Latin Phrases: Other Mottoes You can also delete that link altogther if you prefer. Sincerely, David Dillard Temple University (215) 204 - 4584 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...snip...] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin-L population explosion, cont'd
Robert Seeberger wrote: It wasn't really like that, and I would agree with your statement. Our experience was that the older children would play with the younger ones, teach them things such as speech, silly kid songs, and things *not* to do. With that kind of play occuring, mom only had to keep an ear on the kids while she did other things. I might note that this is the standard that has held for thousands of years, and actually works pretty well. Of course this is pretty broad as a statement, and there are lots of special circumstances that could be addressed, but this is the way things generally have worked on both the Catholic and the Baptist sides of my family. (BTW the previous post concerned itself with the Baptist side of the family.) The way you describe the older children helping with the younger children is like what I heard about my great-grandfather's family. Once you reached a reasonable age, when the next baby was born, it was your job to keep an eye on it and entertain it, while the mother's job was to take care of feeding it, diapering it, dressing it, etc. My great-grandfather would sit cross-legged in the foot of the cradle and rock it to keep his baby sister Carrie calm, and read while he was doing it. (I think Carrie may have been the youngest, so he would have been the youngest that did this. There were over 10 children in the family.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Etiology of SARS Probably Identified
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/29/2003 11:31:31 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mmm, tequila. And what does Dos Equis have to do with anything above? ;) Julia More horses for Debbi? Speaking of horses for people, Debbi, have you read _Black Horses for the King_ by Anne McCaffrey? It would be a quick read for you, and I think you'd enjoy it. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Brin-L population explosion, cont'd
At 11:23 AM 3/29/03 -0600, Horn, John wrote: From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dunno how we'll refer to the third one. Abstractly, right now it's Gamma. (And make all the radiation cracks you want now.) Just how many letters of the Greek alphabet are you planning on going through? grin I really hope they plan to stop before they get to omega . . . . . . though I suppose they could always start over with alpha-2, beta-2, . . . , omega-2, alpha-3, . . . or something like that . . . Rabbits Maru -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: long term stellar ephemeris
At 03:57 PM 3/29/03 +, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: That's the problem, isn't it? But maybe if we don't expect any two stars to get close enough, An illustration I have heard (not necessarily precise) is that two stars in our Galaxy have about the same chance of colliding as two flies which start from opposite ends of the Grand Canyon. But I am not talking about _collision_. I am talking about getting close enough for enough time to change their speeds more than the initial errors in the measurement of those speeds. And there are 100 thousand million flies, or 10 thousand trillion pairs of stars :-) With the average distance between closest pairs comparable to the size of the Grand Canyon. The whole Galaxy at that scale would likely fill a fair amount of the solar system . . . Ok, so we can assume that the Sun will keep its current orbit around the Galaxy. But what about other stars? Then you could always do what you do to extrapolate solar system positions: start with the current positions and velocities of all the stars for which you have data, compute the gravitational forces between each pair of stars, then do a stepwise integration. (Of course, you do have access to large blocks of time on a Cray, don't you?) And you'll need to approximate the general gravitational field of the galaxy as a whole. For a description of that, as well as the kind of orbits stars follow in the galactic gravitational field, probably the standard text is: http://pup.princeton.edu/titles/2537.html and this book goes along with it: http://pup.princeton.edu/titles/6358.html However, I suspect that over the time periods you're talking about (a few x10^6 years), there will be at most only a few close enough encounters between stars to significantly affect the paths of the stars. Stars are really widely separated in our neighborhood of the galaxy. (You are not concerned with the stars in the central regions of a globular cluster or near Sgr A*, which are about the only places they are really crowded . . . ) m = 1/1000. Do you mean My or ky? mybp is frequently used by geologists as an abbreviation for million years before present. Bloody non-standard bastards. What is the abbreviation of year? yr? _Certainly_ m stands for 1/1000, not 10^6 OK, it probably ought to be Mybp. But what can you expect out of geologists? After all, they have rocks in their heads . . . If so, are you familiar with the Hip/Tyc catalog and its data format, or do you need more information? No; but I guess I can find it quickly with a google search. It's free, isn't it? Probably some Megabytes of data Home page: http://astro.estec.esa.nl/SA-general/Projects/Hipparcos/hipparcos.html Actually, the Celestia 2000 program mentioned there fits on a CD-ROM, and I think that must include the data from the catalog, since it runs without needing anything else. That program is mainly for statistical searches, e.g., list all the stars in the HIP/TYC catalog within n parsecs of the Sun (i.e. with parallax greater than 1/n arcseconds) whose annual motion is between lower limit and upper limit, but that's not really what you need. So you'll need to download the catalog and write a program to read it and do the calculations you need. -- Ronn! :) Ronn Blankenship Instructor of Astronomy/Planetary Science University of Montevallo Montevallo, AL Disclaimer: Unless specifically stated otherwise, any opinions contained herein are the personal opinions of the author and do not represent the official position of the University of Montevallo. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Br¡n: The Core - spoilers
At 01:28 PM 3/29/03 -0500, Gary L. Nunn wrote: The _outer_ core of the Earth is _liquid_. The _inner_ core is _solid_ and rotates within the liquid outer core Clearly, actual science took back seat to artistic license in this movie. That the outer core is liquid has been unquestioned for decades because S-waves from earthquakes cannot pass through it. (And, yes, I can suspend professional disbelief just fine for a good SF book or movie. Sounds like this one hardly qualifies, though . . . ) And sadly, artistic license and what I call the cheesy factor took priority over good acting. Some people really ought to have their artistic licenses revoked . . . It's going to dig it's way there? Actually, that was another reference to your hoes typo . . . It was a combination of melting, falling, and tunneling in their slightly pornographic looking ship. Even if I suspended belief AND helped that frame of mind along with alcohol, I still don't see how the mechanics of their ship allowed them to navigate. Maybe when it comes to the dollar theatre . . . -- Ronn! :) Ronn Blankenship Instructor of Astronomy/Planetary Science University of Montevallo Montevallo, AL Disclaimer: Unless specifically stated otherwise, any opinions contained herein are the personal opinions of the author and do not represent the official position of the University of Montevallo. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: 51%
On Friday, March 28, 2003 2:55 PM Damon wrote: In light of the above IQ definition, what *would* an oxymoron be? :) Obviously a 12yo with exceptional lung capacity... Actually, it would be more of an airhead :) Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. why not end it with internecinum? ...wouldn't have to be looking over your shoulder all the time :) Cheers! -- Han Tacoma ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brin-L population explosion, cont'd
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 11:23 AM 3/29/03 -0600, Horn, John wrote: From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dunno how we'll refer to the third one. Abstractly, right now it's Gamma. (And make all the radiation cracks you want now.) Just how many letters of the Greek alphabet are you planning on going through? grin I really hope they plan to stop before they get to omega . . . Actually, we were contemplating skipping everything *between* beta and omega. :) So the hypothetical third child is referred to both as Gamma and Omega. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Etiology of SARS Probably Identified
At 01:39 PM 3/29/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anything for another non-Iraqi post. There's always the stellar ephemeris thread . . . -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: this is so x-files
On 29 Mar 2003 at 11:42, The Fool wrote: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/03/030327074535.htm Interesting. As it says it's not controlled by wildfires, which in itself is highly unusual...and while applying indidual to fungi has allways been problematical, I can see a few scientists won't be sleeping well for a while :P Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: long term stellar ephemeris
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Ok, so we can assume that the Sun will keep its current orbit around the Galaxy. But what about other stars? Then you could always do what you do to extrapolate solar system positions: start with the current positions and velocities of all the stars for which you have data, compute the gravitational forces between each pair of stars, then do a stepwise integration. (Of course, you do have access to large blocks of time on a Cray, don't you?) :-) No, but I guess I have some quite weird ideas that I _could_ use if I needed to do that And you'll need to approximate the general gravitational field of the galaxy as a whole. For a description of that, as well as the kind of orbits stars follow in the galactic gravitational field, probably the standard text Ok, I will take a look at them when I am (allegedly) working O:-) [anything that has any semblance to orbital dynamics is fair game in my job] However, I suspect that over the time periods you're talking about (a few x10^6 years), there will be at most only a few close enough encounters between stars to significantly affect the paths of the stars. Stars are really widely separated in our neighborhood of the galaxy. (You are not concerned with the stars in the central regions of a globular cluster or near Sgr A*, which are about the only places they are really crowded . . . ) Unless I am trying to identify Trantor :-) BTW, is Proxima gravitationally bound with Alfa Centauri A and B? On a tangential note, the Jijo books mention that Izmunuti is 1 light-year away from Jijo-S [whose name is Ganjoo - I guess]. Is it possible that they can keep such a long distance for millions of years? I don't think they can be gravitationally bound that far Actually, the Celestia 2000 program mentioned there fits on a CD-ROM, and I think that must include the data from the catalog, since it runs without needing anything else. That program is mainly for statistical searches, e.g., list all the stars in the HIP/TYC catalog within n parsecs of the Sun (i.e. with parallax greater than 1/n arcseconds) whose annual motion is between lower limit and upper limit, but that's not really what you need. So you'll need to download the catalog and write a program to read it and do the calculations you need. I once trying to find Nexon-Solaria, based on the fact that they should be G-type stars that lie about 2 parsecs apart. I ended up with too many pairs :-( Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Yahoo! Is Evil -- _One_ Reason Why
Maybe he got your email address from a webpage that he found using Yahoo!... I agree that it was very poorly translated and annoying, btw. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: What's wrong with Al-jazeera?
I've heard that their servers are being crushed by the overwhelming number of hits from around the world, and that, unlike CNN, et. al., they haven't contracted for mirror sites and extra bandwidth. You're probably getting the page not found because your browser is giving up on waiting. -- Matt gerald krouson wrote: Damon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've been trying to visit the Al-jazeera website (which supposedly had an english language site that went OL on Mon) but for some reason I keep getting page not found errors. Even links from Google are broken. Has anyone else tried to access the page? Is anyone else having trouble? Could it be down because of the multiple hacks it had in the past week? Is the CIA monitoring my e-mail traffic (hi Bob!)? Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: Ace's BRDM-1 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin- I haven't been able to get through either. I know the Bush admin has been catching a lot flack about their shutting down Iraqui TV-assuming more of the same here, but could be wrong. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Academy Awards During Wartime
Robert Seeberger wrote: The nerve of the president to start a war just as Hollywood was about to host its most self-absorbed event of the year. (snip rest of rant) xponent A Conservative Turn Maru rob How can you read this crap? All it tries to do is demonize those people who speak opinions with which the author disagrees, on top of getting it's facts wrong. If that's what it means to be a conservative, I shudder to think of how bad things will get now that the conservatives have the helm. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Saddam is not only polarizing the Arab nations...
Han wrote: Where was the US when Canada went over to Europe to help fight the Germans who had another fanatical leader who was trying to take over the world. Our parents and grandparents were there protecting us and it took an attack on Pearl Harbor in order for the US to finally join the fight. Damon wrote: Yes, and attack at Pearl Harbor by the Japanese, and yet despite this Roosevelt decided that the primary threat to the US was not Japan, but rather Germany. I think that says something. Furthermore, to criticize the US for its (in)action 1939-1941 belies any understanding of the American mentality at the time. The U.S. at the time wanted nothing to do with Europe or the war. We sat by and watched as allies faced total defeat, only lending economic aid to help keep Britian from falling. It was the *least* we could do. After Pearl Harbor, we finally started contributing the level of effort we should have since 1939. As far as criticizing France, Canade, et. al., there is still the fact that they do not see the evidence presented so far as enough of a justification for the war going on now. Without the majority of the world behind the action, where does Bush get off meddling in another soverign country's internal governmental affairs? They are going about this the wrong way. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Irregulars Question: long term stellar ephemeris
Alberto Monteiro wrote: (snip) and spend a lot of time doing funny things while the real world explodes around me They've got to be done sometime. -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: New list members
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wecome to all the people...new and old, and rerun And remember: Julia is now a Mother Goddess, not just a plain old Goddess anymore. Amities, Jo Anne Official Lurking Crone So if you're the Crone, and Julia's the Goddess, who's the Maiden? -- Matt ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: data warehouse
Hey Kevin, Sorry this one slipped by me. This is a *very* busy list :) ...gee!, it's already been five (5) days since your post. On Mon Mar 24 16:25:58 PST 2003, you were Just wondering if anyone works with such a creature. I feel safe in my world of COBOL programming, web design, and form management, but I have to look at improving my standing; the company offered a raise nine months ago to keep me but it still isn't final. I'm going to get a book or two tonight. I hope you haven't bought them yet! I was going to look through my IBM System Journals and Journals of Research and Development, when I remembered they're available online (free!) so I did a search and got: Volume 27 Issue 1 IBM Systems Journal An architecture for a business and information system 1988 B. A. Devlin, P. T. Murphy http://domino.research.ibm.com/tchjr/journalindex.nsf/a3807c5b4823c53f852565 61006324be/c95461887f5a5cb285256bfa00685be4?OpenDocument http://makeashorterlink.com/?M2FE63304 Volume 33 Issue 2 IBM Systems Journal Data access within the Information Warehouse framework 1994 J. P. Singleton, M. M. Schwartz http://domino.research.ibm.com/tchjr/journalindex.nsf/a3807c5b4823c53f852565 61006324be/f7367ef50df8531685256bfa00685cd0?OpenDocument http://makeashorterlink.com/?U30F23304 Volume 8 Issue 1 IBM Systems Journal Hierarchical structure for data management 1969 W. R. Henry http://domino.research.ibm.com/tchjr/journalindex.nsf/a3807c5b4823c53f852565 61006324be/5be46ac50eabc74585256bfa00685a4e?OpenDocument http://makeashorterlink.com/?L21F41304 Volume 15 Issue 4 IBM Journal of Research and Development Automation of Data Acquisition in Transient Photoconductive Decay Experiments 1971 B. H. Schechtman, P. M. Grant http://domino.research.ibm.com/tchjr/journalindex.nsf/a3807c5b4823c53f852565 61006324be/dd98e2e25da3ad7485256bfa0068410c?OpenDocument http://makeashorterlink.com/?J12F45304 Volume 20 Issue 6 IBM Journal of Research and Development SEQUEL 2: A Unified Approach to Data Definition, Manipulation, and Control 1976 D. D. Chamberlin, M. M. Astrahan, K. P. Eswaran, P. P. Griffiths, R. A. Lorie, J. W. Mehl, P. Reisner, B. W. Wade http://domino.research.ibm.com/tchjr/journalindex.nsf/a3807c5b4823c53f852565 61006324be/d5d397d0f495c13485256bfa0067f7cd?OpenDocument http://makeashorterlink.com/?M53F23304 Volume 20 Issue 5 IBM Journal of Research and Development A General Methodology for Data Conversion and Restructuring 1976 V. Y. Lum, N. C. Shu, B. C. Housel http://domino.research.ibm.com/tchjr/journalindex.nsf/a3807c5b4823c53f852565 61006324be/4d57634d623439e285256bfa0067f7c2?OpenDocument http://makeashorterlink.com/?T14F23304 Volume 26 Issue 1 IBM Systems Journal Database technology 1987 P. G. Selinger http://domino.research.ibm.com/tchjr/journalindex.nsf/a3807c5b4823c53f852565 61006324be/06c225371a8d49be85256bfa00685bcd?OpenDocument http://makeashorterlink.com/?W15F31304 Volume 35 Issue 1 IBM Journal of Research and Development Correlative visualizaton techniques for multidimensional data 1991 L. A. Treinish, C. Goettsche http://domino.research.ibm.com/tchjr/journalindex.nsf/a3807c5b4823c53f852565 61006324be/ec98164ed787082d85256bfa0067fa7a?OpenDocument http://makeashorterlink.com/?P26F12304 Volume 35 Issue 1 IBM Journal of Research and Development Visualizing structure in high-dimensional multivariate data 1991 F. W. Young, P. Rheingans http://domino.research.ibm.com/tchjr/journalindex.nsf/a3807c5b4823c53f852565 61006324be/ba1b0a70943f193d85256bfa0067fb7d?OpenDocument http://makeashorterlink.com/?C17F24304 Volume 37 Issue 2 IBM Systems Journal Reverse engineering of data 1998 P. H. Aiken http://domino.research.ibm.com/tchjr/journalindex.nsf/a3807c5b4823c53f852565 61006324be/fb3362cb5f0c9ed585256bfa00685de9?OpenDocument http://makeashorterlink.com/?P28F62304 The starting page for these Journals is: http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/ Cheers! -- Han Tacoma ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Who lied to Whom?
The New Yorker WHO LIED TO WHOM? by SEYMOUR M. HERSH Why did the Administration endorse a forgery about Iraqs nuclear program? Issue of 2003-03-31 Posted 2003-03-24 http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030331fa_fact1 Cheers! -- Han Tacoma ~ Artificial Intelligence is better than none! ~ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Israel's Secret Weapon
From: Damon I think what would be even more illuminating about this attack is the nature of the gas. Its quite possible that it may have been a *new* non-lethal suppressive gas that had unforseen serious side-effects. Has this gas been used since? Has any report been done on the use of this gas? What kind of gas was it, exactly? Jmh wrote Kind of like the gas used in Russia against the Chechyen rebels in the theater, I guess. Last time I heard Russians used regular anaesthesic (sp), which *can* be lethal if admitted in wrong doses (sp) and after fast. I am pretty sure that our army/police didn't use it on Palestinians - when you fight demonstration, even very violent one, the idea is to make people to leave, not to fall down. Ilana ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Israel's Secret Weapon
Damon wrote: think what would be even more illuminating about this attack is the nature of the gas. Its quite possible that it may have been a *new* non-lethal suppressive gas that had unforseen serious side-effects. Has this gas been used since? Has any report been done on the use of this gas? What kind of gas was it, exactly? John Horn replied: Kind of like the gas used in Russia against the Chechyen rebels in the theater, I guess. Reggie Bautista added I'm *still* not sure how they got away with that one... Getting away with what? With gasing about 100 it's citizens? With saving about 700 lives including some of the foreign citizens? Or with showing the world that you *can* fight terrorists? Ilana, who believes that attack in first day would have saved lives. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Israel's Secret Weapon
Andrew Crystall wrote: The conduct of the Chechyen war by Russia in general has been frankly disgusting, has cost many Russian lives and has managed by it's incomplete effectiveness to become a continuing problem. Alberto Monteiro What should they do? Blast Chechynea back to the Stone Age? Yes. (Which is, actually, not far) Ilana, who still remembers the pictures from the place where was kept Israeli kidnapped boy and his hand with missing finger. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Israel's Secret Weapon
Jon wrote I think a more relevant question is whether or not Saddam Hussein will use chemical weapons against coalition forces when he realizes he's about to lose the war. He, unlike the Israelis, has shown that he has no compunction in using them against his enemies. (He used them against Iranian troops in the '80s.) I wrote You still are not getting it, don't you? :-( The question is, is he is going to use them against his own people and blame it on coalition forces. :-( Jon wrote I get it, but don't think that will be a particularly effective ploy. The US has declared for years that the only WMDs we have in our possession are nukes. We don't own or use chemical or biological weapons. Coalition force leaders have been repeating this on the news for the past two days, pointing out that the found cache of Iraqi gas masks wouldn't have been stockpiled protection against a coalition chemical attack. Also, he's scattered military hardware and troops in civilian areas. He might be cutting off his nose to spite his face if he gassed his own armies. That, of course, assumes that they aren't wearing protective gear. You are still thinking Western. :-( It's not if coalition forces will accept the blame on such a thing (and they will - at least blame for not preventing it), it's if Saddam thinks about this as effective tactics (and he does - he used human shields more than once) Here I have a history question, because I learned that many things that I was taught in school about WWII were wrong - I was taught that Hitler flooded Berlin metro with all the people there to prevent Russian soldiers from getting to his bunker. Is this fact or another piece of propaganda? Ilana ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
