Re: Scouted: Cocoa Has More Antioxidants Than Red Wine, Tea
Ronn! wrote: At least no one has brought up Coke versus Pepsi . . . Julia has already mentioned RC, but I haven't seen anyone yet bring up an RC Cola and a moon-pie... Reggie Bautista And I'm Not Even From The South Maru _ Crave some Miles Davis or Grateful Dead? Your old favorites are always playing on MSN Radio Plus. Trial month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: On trolling
The Fool wrote: Stale marshmallows are best. I replied: That depends on just how stale they are. When we were cleaning out my parents' house after the tornado, we found a bag of marshmallows with an expiration date in the middle 1970's... Reggie Bautista Pretty Colors Maru Ronn! responded: Did they start out as different colors? Sadly, no. Reggie Bautista Technicolor Terror Maru _ MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search... http://shopping.msn.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Scouted: Cocoa Has More Antioxidants Than Red Wine, Tea
At 12:59 AM 11/12/03 -0600, Reggie Bautista wrote: Ronn! wrote: At least no one has brought up Coke versus Pepsi . . . Julia has already mentioned RC, but I haven't seen anyone yet bring up an RC Cola and a moon-pie... Reggie Bautista And I'm Not Even From The South Maru I Am From The South And If I Consumed Those Together I Would Indeed Likely Bring Them Up Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Continuing Education
Kevin wrote: ... but glam has to first be pretty boys and stage presence before music. Whitesnake had neither, except David Coverdale. Bryon replied: You don't seem to care too much for David Coverdale, do you? He's no Ian Gillan, but I think he's alright. I think most people never heard of Whitesnake before their Whitesnake album, and if you watched the videos for that, they could come across as glam. I have friends who couldn't decide whether to call the Coverdale Page album White Zeppelin or Led Snake. Bryon again: My mistake, I was counting Cozy Powell as a Deep Purple member (I associate him with Blackmore and Rainbow and got them jumbled up). For some twisted reason, the first thing that comes to mind when I hear the name Cozy Powell is the one album he did as the P in ELP. I know, I know, and please don't think I think it's anywhere near his best stuff. That's just the album where I actually became aware of his name, only to find out that he was in other groups I liked quite a bit better. Yet More Bryon: I did some googling and came across some surprising info (to me at least, which shows how out of the scene I've been) - Cozy Powell died in 1998 - Deep Purple put out a whole batch of albums after the last one I bought (House of Blue Light),... [snip] - Iron Maiden has released a *slew* of albums since the last one I bought (Somewhere in Time), including a new one in October. I've been lurking a bit lately over at alt.music.yes, and apparently they've also been keeping busy. I'm amazed how many bands from the 1970s and 1980s I've heard about recently that are touring and/or recording again. Back to Kevin: There was a band in the eighties that was practically a rip-off of Led Zeppelin and damn if I can think of their name now. Over to Bryon: Hmmm. Eighties Zep clone - maybe you mean The Cult? People have told me they were a Zep clone, but I've never really heard any of their stuff. Maybe Blue Murder? Or Kingdom Come? Or Great White, which I think I remember reading actually started out as a Zeppelin Tribute band called The White? Reggie Bautista Or Could It Be Dread Zeppelin Maru _ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: On trolling
Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Fool wrote: Stale marshmallows are best. I replied: That depends on just how stale they are. When we were cleaning out my parents' house after the tornado, we found a bag of marshmallows with an expiration date in the middle 1970's... Pretty Colors Maru Ronn! responded: Did they start out as different colors? Sadly, no. Reggie Bautista Technicolor Terror Maru For those who wish to provide future gleaners-of-tornado-ravaged-houses with multicolored marshmallows, stock your home with Peeps For All Seasons: http://www.marshmallowpeeps.com/index.html Did you know that Peeps have participated in atmospheric research? Here is the NASA site: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast01apr_1m.htm ...However, one fascinating and tragic aspect of the story was not announced until now. The April 11 flight included five brave passengers -- intrepid explorers who never returned. Where they went, and how, remains a mystery. Stowed away on the weather balloon sent aloft in April 1999 were five tiny Peeps. How they got there is controversial. Most of his colleagues think they were smuggled on board by Bryan Walls, an irreverent member of the launch team. However it happened, one thing is clear -- these Peeps were not purchased with tax dollars and NASA does not endorse these brightly colored sweet treats!... Besides high-altitude testing, marshmallow bunnies have been subjected to lasers, open flames, and boiling water (be sure to check out the Wyle E. Coyote test!): http://www.keypad.org/bunnies/ Dissolving Into Silliness Maru :) __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Continuing Education
On 12 Nov 2003, at 4:31 am, Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:15 PM Subject: Re: Continuing Education My head is going to explode. Glam rock started at least in 1968 and was nailed by David Bowie with Ziggy. I will admit ignorance here, if Whitesnake's early stuff was glam-like then so be it but I doubt it. If you meant instead a direct line to heavy metal, then that's wrong also, IMHO. If you meant Glam metal, I still think it's a stretch. Whitesnake of the 80's was not glam. Again this is all IMHO, but glam has to first be pretty boys and stage presence before music. Whitesnake had neither, except David Coverdale. The later version of Whitesnake was a Hair or Bighair Band and most people consider that to be a subgroup of Glam. That makes more sense the other way round - Glam a subgroup of Hair. With makeup. Opinions vary, eh? Slide It In did not have three Deep Purple band members on the album. Paice was back with Deep Purple. In fact to call Coverdale Deep Purple would be like saying Blaze Bayley is Iron Maiden, and I at least recognize the different IM songs. (On the third hand, I didn't know IM had a different first singer). I saw them with the original singer playing Aberdeen Music Hall in ~1979. I missed Def Leppard playing Aberdeen University Union touring their first album ~1980 :( David Coverdale - exDeep Purple Cozy Powell - exDeep Purple Jon Lord - exDeep Purple Mel Galley - exTrapeze John Sykes - exThin Lizzy Neil Murray - (I haven't a clue at the moment) But I agree that Deep Purple isn't typified by Coverdale the way it is by Ian Gillian. After all, Gillian was Jesus.G Jimmy Page was the guitar player for Zep, unless you meant something else Reggie, about the music. Did Reggie even mention Page? I don't understand your point here. I do hate the tag Zep wannabees. There was a band in the eighties that was practically a rip-off of Led Zeppelin and damn if I can think of their name now. Great White? Kingdom Come? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ 'The true sausage buff will sooner or later want his own meat grinder.' -- Jack Schmidling ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Country music evil?
On 7 Nov 2003, at 3:46 pm, Julia Thompson wrote: On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, William T Goodall wrote: On 6 Nov 2003, at 2:55 am, Kevin Tarr wrote: *Someone had a fine critique of iTunes, how apple gets 1/3 of the money for only being a trafficker of the songs, Stores typically have a markup of 30% or more on CDs. How much of the store's take goes into overhead? How much of Apple's take goes into overhead? the record companies get the rest and only pay a small percentage to the artists, if that. Apple actually makes a loss running the iTunes store. It makes sense because it promotes sales of the profitable iPod player, and strengthens the brand. Tells me the overhead is significant in relation to the cost of the songs. Thanks. :) eTunes and Napster would appear to have a problem with their business plan :) :) http://www.time.com/time/2003/inventions/invmusic.html Jobs has one more reason not to be concerned about the competition. The dirty little secret of all this is there's no way to make money on these stores, he says. For every 99 Apple gets from your credit card, 65 goes straight to the music label. Another quarter or so gets eaten up by distribution costs. At most, Jobs is left with a dime per track, so even $500 million in annual sales would add up to a paltry $50 million profit. Why even bother? Because we're selling iPods, Jobs says, grinning. That may make iTunes the most benign-looking Trojan Horse in software history. The Windows crowd can get iTunes free, and it offers almost all the same functionality as the paid versions of MusicMatch and Real One, two PC-based rivals. But iTunes is the only music application that will work with the enormously popular iPod, and it has featureslike its powerful search functionthat are unrivaled. Once people are locked into using iTunes, the game's over, says Charles Wolf, an analyst at the New York City-based Needham Co. investment bank. They could sell an extra 2 million iPods because of this. And the margins on these devices make the Music Store's arithmetic look like child's play. Each $499 iPod returns as much as $175 in profit, Wolf says. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more likely to be foolish than sensible. - Bertrand Russell ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bishop: Gays should see a doctor
On 8 Nov 2003, at 5:52 pm, The Fool wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/merseyside/3253499.stm Bishop: Gays should see a doctor The bishop has been outspoken in his condemnation of homosexuality Gays and lesbians should go to a psychiatrist to try to become heterosexual, a senior church leader has said. The Bishop of Chester, the Right Rev Dr Peter Forster, said some homosexuals could reorientate themselves with medical help. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/11/10/ nbish10.xml A bishop who angered homosexuals by suggesting theyseek a psychiatric cure is to be investigated by police to see if his outspoken views amount to a criminal offence, it emerged yesterday. The Rt Rev Dr Peter Forster, the Bishop of Chester, infuriated homosexuals both in and out of the Church of England when he said last week that they could and should seek medical help to reorientate themselves. The Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement (the LGCM) accused him of putting forward an offensive and scandalous argument from a bygone age. Cheshire Police have said that they are to investigate his comments, made in the local paper, the Chester Chronicle, after receiving a complaint that his views may incite people to turn against homosexuals. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ 'The true sausage buff will sooner or later want his own meat grinder.' -- Jack Schmidling -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ 'The true sausage buff will sooner or later want his own meat grinder.' -- Jack Schmidling ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Vacation was Re: Philosophical question
At 12:30 AM 11/12/2003 -0600, you wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Kevin Tarr wrote: The vacation was mostly good. Two days of visiting wineries tasting their products. I don't like wine, but bought some bottles anyway. Spent two hours in the hot tub watching the eclipse in a completely clear sky. It was so cold however that water splashed out froze on the deck. Ever been in a hot tub outside while it was snowing? There's a distance above the water at which the snowflakes melt. You see them coming down, then you don't really see them once they've melted. It's fun. Julia I live in the northeast, skiing is my third favorite sport, second favorite outside...though my first can be done inside or out ;-) so yes I've been in hot tubs whilst it's been snowing. Kevin T. - VRWC Snow this weekend, possibly ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Vacation was Re: Philosophical question
From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Vacation was Re: Philosophical question On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Kevin Tarr wrote: The vacation was mostly good. Two days of visiting wineries tasting their products. I don't like wine, but bought some bottles anyway. Spent two hours in the hot tub watching the eclipse in a completely clear sky. It was so cold however that water splashed out froze on the deck. Ever been in a hot tub outside while it was snowing? There's a distance above the water at which the snowflakes melt. You see them coming down, then you don't really see them once they've melted. It's fun. Julia Yea, I have done that. It was cool, kinda like having a coneshaped force-field over your head, that magically disintegrated snowflakes. Then you jump out and roll around in the snow, Nordic style. Don't try this without champagne though. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Scouted: NYTimes Article / 25 most provocative questions facing science
From the NY Times: The first issue of Science Times appeared 25 years ago, on Nov. 14, 1978. Its guiding principle ever since has been that science is not a collection of answers, but a way of asking questions, an enterprise driven by curiosity. To celebrate the anniversary, we pose 25 of the most provocative questions facing science. As always, answers are provisional. http://www.nytimes.com/indexes/2003/11/10/science/ Text version is here: http://www.nytimes.com/indexes/2003/11/10/science/text/index.html Jon GSV Ho Hum Le Blog: http://zarq.livejournal.com _ MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search... http://shopping.msn.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 11:12:42AM +0530, ritu wrote: I remember most of the 120 million muslims of my country speaking out against the atrocity. You must have a phenomenal memory! I can only remember 120 people on a good day, let alone 120 MILLION! -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Bishops to punish catholic politicians who disobey Pope
http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/news/local/7232708.htm Catholic pols scrutinized by bishops Mull possible sanctions for anti-church stands By MICHAEL PAULSON Boston Globe WASHINGTON - Frustrated that so many Catholic politicians support abortion rights, the bishops of the United States said yesterday they will begin evaluating whether they can impose sanctions against elected officials who vote contrary to church teachings. In a freewheeling discussion reflecting years of concern, some bishops suggested that the church should consider punishments ranging from denying honorary degrees to elected officials, refusing to allow them to speak at Catholic institutions, or even excommunicating them. I am tired of hearing Catholic politicians say, 'I am personally opposed to whatever, but I can't impose my moral judgment on others,' said Bishop Joseph A. Galante of Dallas. That's nonsense. They do it on other issues...That's a weaseling out. The bishops said they were prompted to act by a document issued in January by Pope John Paul II. That document outlined the responsibilities of Catholics actively involved in politics. Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick, the archbishop of Washington, suggested that the bishops examine how to deal with Catholic politicians who do not heed the Vatican's urgings. No names were mentioned, but some Catholics have long lamented the support for abortion rights voiced by Massachusetts Sens. Edward M. Kennedy and John F. Kerry, both Catholics. In January, after the pope's statement was issued, both men cited church-state separation as their guiding principle. Kerry, who is running for president, declared at the time: As a Catholic, I have enormous respect for the words and teachings of the Vatican, but as a public servant I've never forgotten the lasting legacy of President Kennedy, who made clear that in accordance with the separation of church and state, no elected official should be 'limited or conditioned by any religious oath, ritual, or obligation.' ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question
From: ritu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Second, _the support is already there_. People in Muslim countries all over the world celebrated on September 11th. I've seen the videotape, and so have most other people. Sure the support is already there but it isn't as widespread as the tactic I outlined above would make it. Andy has already asked but I'll repeat the question here: how many muslims do you think celebrated 9/11? It seems to me that if there were a major terrorist attack (or natural disaster or whatever) at Mecca during the haij you could find a fair number of Bubba's in pickups who would be dancing in the streets and shooting their shotguns in the air throughout the US. So that may or may not be demonstrative of the entire population. - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question
From: Horn, John It seems to me that if there were a major terrorist attack (or natural disaster or whatever) at Mecca during the haij you could find a fair number of Bubba's in pickups who would be dancing in the streets and shooting their shotguns in the air throughout the US. So that may or may not be demonstrative of the entire population. Cr*p! That should be Hajj, I think. - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
What not to say at the piercing parlor
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Re: [L3] RE: religious/political question
On 12 Nov 2003, at 8:22 pm, Horn, John wrote: From: Horn, John It seems to me that if there were a major terrorist attack (or natural disaster or whatever) at Mecca during the haij you could find a fair number of Bubba's in pickups who would be dancing in the streets and shooting their shotguns in the air throughout the US. So that may or may not be demonstrative of the entire population. Cr*p! That should be Hajj, I think. Star of 'Faster Pussycat Kill, Kill' ? http://www.fasterpussycathaji.com/ What a nice lady! She supports greyhound charities. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog without bricks tied to its head. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Weekly Chat Reminder
This is just a quick reminder that the Wednesday Brin-L chat is scheduled for 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time, so it started about three hours ago. There will probably be somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. See my instruction page for help getting there: http://www.brin-l.org/brinmud.html __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Empire Of Lies
As a preamble, let me recount that I supported the military action in Afghanistan beforehand because I thought we could not let Al Quida a free pass after 9-11 and leaned against the military action in Iraq because I thought that 1) There was no clear and present danger to the US presented by Iraq, even thought I was fairly sure In fairness, we have accomplished some very important strategic objective in both Afghanistan and Iraq: 1) Al Qaeda can no longer train operatives with impunity in Afghanistan I'll agree that's a plus; and its one of the reasons I supported going to war in Afghanistan. 2) We have liberated 28 million oppressed Afghans That overstates the case. We have removed a repressive government in Afghanistan and have replaced the rule in the capital with a much better government. The rest of the country, as far as I can tell, is ruled by local power brokers. We make sure there are limits to their use of force. I wouldn't argue against the idea that the local power brokers are an improvement over the Taliban. But, I consider real liberation the point where we can hand over control of the country (including responsibility for security) to a government that is as good as the government of, say, Jordan. 3) Al Qaeda's operational capacity has apparently taken a severe blow, based upon their recent concentration on soft targets in the developing world instead of hard targets in Europe and the United States 4) Saddam Hussein is no longer a threat to develop nuclear weapons, and thus be able to blackmail the US, Saudi Arabia (ie the world's oil supply, and Israel) There is no evidence that he made any moves towards developing a nuclear weapon. Indeed, all the evidence points to him being significantly closer to having a A-bomb in 1991 than 2003. But, while we were looking the other way, N. Korea crossed what everyone called a red line. No one really knows how much more plutonium they have processed this year. 5) US troops are no longer stationed in Saudi Arabia, eliminating a primary grievance used by Al Qaeda to recruit operatives As long as the US is occupying Iraq, Al Qaeda will have an even bigger grievance. If it is clear that an independent Iraq government exists, then us having a base there will not be a problem, but we are far away from that. 6) 38 million oppressed Iraqis have been liberated. I'll agree fully that the average person in Iraq is better off now than a year ago. But, the overwhelming majority in Iraq sees the US as an occupier, not a liberator. And, their opinion of us, as measured in polls, is rapidly deteriorating. Has this solved all of our problems? That wasn't the benchmark used by most people. The real question is whether the long losses to the US from invasion outweigh the long term gains of the people of Iraq. My guess/fear is that, 5 years from now, we will find ourselves much more isolated from traditional allies (as it stands we are tied with N. Korea and Iran in an European opinion poll concerning which country is the greatest danger to the world.), at odds with a dictatorship in Iraq that is probably better than Hussein, and with an feeling of failure. Even CIA analysis indicates that we are risking a turning point in Iraq; where the forces fighting the US will be viewed less as old Bathists trying to regain power and more as freedom fighters against foreign occupiers. If this happens, things could get very nasty. As it stands, the administration has hinted at the start of the retreat from Iraq, saying we the number of troops needed will be less...so we won't need to rotate nearly as many troops in as we are rotating out. My objection to going to war in Iraq was that we were not prepared to win the peace. Events of the last 6 months have reinforced that opinion. My suggestion was for us to work harder to win the peace in Afghanistan before trying Iraq. As it stands, Afghanistan will get less aid in 3 years than Iraq in 1, even though the administration claimed that simply using Iraq oil income for the people of Iraq would provide most of the funds needed to rebuild Iraq. My guess is that we will be mostly out of there within a year, and then we will have to cross our fingers concerning the results. My one sigma upside expectations is another Saudi Arabia. My mean expectations is something close to Iran. My one sigma downside is chaos. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Empire Of Lies
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: Re: Empire Of Lies As a preamble, let me recount that I supported the military action in Afghanistan beforehand because I thought we could not let Al Quida a free pass after 9-11 and leaned against the military action in Iraq because I thought that 1) There was no clear and present danger to the US presented by Iraq, even thought I was fairly sure Ack, I didn't finish this idea Hussein did have a significant number of WMDs 2) We were unprepared to win the peace. even thought I knew that overthrowing Hussein would improve the conditions of the people of Iraq. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Empire Of Lies
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll agree fully that the average person in Iraq is better off now than a year ago. But, the overwhelming majority in Iraq sees the US as an occupier, not a liberator. And, their opinion of us, as measured in polls, is rapidly deteriorating. Dan M. Dan, I have to tell you that I frankly don't believe this. As you know, I have personal reasons for keeping a _very_ close eye on the situation in Iraq, and I frankly don't trust the poll results that you reported - they don't agree with any other poll that I've seen, and they don't agree with the consensus of people on the ground whom I've spoken to either. = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom is not free http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Continuing Education
- Original Message - From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:28 AM Subject: Re: Continuing Education Powell is not credited for any DP albums. If he toured with them, I cannot find it. But that's been covered elsewhere Ack! This is true. I had found a reference where he was credited with Deep Purple, but further investigation proves that false. I didn't doubt it at first since Powell was so deeply involved with Purple men with so many other projects that his name is frequently associated with Deep Purple. Also covered: I'd consider Glam to be a small part of hair bands. They were all hair bands, but only Poison or Twisted Sister I'd call glam. Yeah.kind of a judgement call. Sorry about that Reggie. I agree 100% with a voice being an instrument, but didn't think Plant was doing that much. I find much of Plants vocals difficult to replicate. The guy definately does (or did) some interesting stuff. I do like Coverdale, I just don't see any of his deep purple stuff as important. I'd consider Burn to be a fairly important album. The late Tommy Bolins guitar is worth the price of admission. And the flip side, I know less about DP than you think. I own no albums. I never thought the whole package was that good. What!??? You don't own Machine Head? Cretin! G xponent Must Have Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Empire Of Lies
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:46 PM Subject: Re: Empire Of Lies --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll agree fully that the average person in Iraq is better off now than a year ago. But, the overwhelming majority in Iraq sees the US as an occupier, not a liberator. And, their opinion of us, as measured in polls, is rapidly deteriorating. Dan M. Dan, I have to tell you that I frankly don't believe this. As you know, I have personal reasons for keeping a _very_ close eye on the situation in Iraq, and I frankly don't trust the poll results that you reported - they don't agree with any other poll that I've seen, and they don't agree with the consensus of people on the ground whom I've spoken to either. I've seen multiple polls that say variations on the same thing. As it stands, I've seen three polls that give consistent results: Gallup, Zogby, and a poll conducted by the Iraqi Centre for Research and Strategic Studies. Which poll did you think was the bad one, or are all three bad? Which polls are the good ones. I don't doubt that you know more people there, but I have one question about them. How many of them are there as part of the provisional authority and how many are there with other independent agencies. The reason I ask is that I believe that there is a cultural tendency in the middle east to tell a guest what you think they want to hearespecially if that person is more powerful than you. Even if the poll by the centre for Research and Strategic Studies is miscalibrated, I have a hard time understanding why the shift it shows is fictional. I would like to have it shown that I'm wrong here, because it would be better for us if I am. In order to do that, I'd like to see 1) The other polls 2) Why the techniques of the other polls are superior to those I've seen. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: What not to say at the piercing parlor
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eBay auction - SpaceDev Satellite Mission
Finally someone came up with a good idea to fund a mission eBay Item number: 2572382454 - SpaceDev Satellite Mission Did On Your Own Space Mission This view of Earth could be yours! Have you ever thought about having your own space mission? Do you have a payload that you would like to put in orbit around the Earth? Need a holiday gift for the person who has everything? Have you ever wondered what it would be like to explore space with your own spacecraft? Now, you can, thanks to SpaceDev. See the auction here http://makeashorterlink.com/?X54523686 SpaceDev Auctioning Microsatellite Mission On eBay By Jason Bates Space News Staff Writer posted: 11:15 am ET 11 November 2003 WASHINGTON - The small satellite startup SpaceDev is auctioning a private space mission to the highest bidder using the Internet site eBay, the company announced Monday. The winner will receive a spacecraft based on SpaceDev's Maneuvering and Orbit Transfer Vehicle and has the right to supply their own payload and name the mission. Complete article http://www.space.com/news/ebay_spacedev_03.html ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Empire Of Lies
At 04:46 PM 11/12/2003 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll agree fully that the average person in Iraq is better off now than a year ago. But, the overwhelming majority in Iraq sees the US as an occupier, not a liberator. And, their opinion of us, as measured in polls, is rapidly deteriorating. Dan M. Dan, I have to tell you that I frankly don't believe this. As you know, I have personal reasons for keeping a _very_ close eye on the situation in Iraq, and I frankly don't trust the poll results that you reported - they don't agree with any other poll that I've seen, and they don't agree with the consensus of people on the ground whom I've spoken to either. Indeed, as I noted in a previous post, _The Economist_ published poll results that contradict Dan's impressions just this week. Here it is again: A survey out this week revealed that, while most endorse democracy and women's rights, many wonder whether democracy can work in Iraq. Most would like some form of Islamic ruleĀand want the coalition forces out. But three-quarters of Iraqis also think that in five years they will be better off. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Empire Of Lies
- Original Message - From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Empire Of Lies At 04:46 PM 11/12/2003 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll agree fully that the average person in Iraq is better off now than a year ago. But, the overwhelming majority in Iraq sees the US as an occupier, not a liberator. And, their opinion of us, as measured in polls, is rapidly deteriorating. Dan M. Dan, I have to tell you that I frankly don't believe this. As you know, I have personal reasons for keeping a _very_ close eye on the situation in Iraq, and I frankly don't trust the poll results that you reported - they don't agree with any other poll that I've seen, and they don't agree with the consensus of people on the ground whom I've spoken to either. Indeed, as I noted in a previous post, _The Economist_ published poll results that contradict Dan's impressions just this week. Here it is again: A survey out this week revealed that, while most endorse democracy and women's rights, many wonder whether democracy can work in Iraq. Most would like some form of Islamic rule-and want the coalition forces out. But three-quarters of Iraqis also think that in five years they will be better off. How does this contradict what I said? I was talking about the viewpoint of the US, not their views of their own future. Let me quote a set of answers from the poll at: www.taemag.com/docLib/20030905_IraqpollFrequencies.pdf 1) Do you think that Iraq will be a much better country, somewhat better, somewhat worse or a lot worse five years from now? much better 31.7% somewhat better 38.0% somewhat worse 13.2% a lot worse 7.4% 16. Over next five years will -The United States Help Iraq 35.5 Hurt Iraq 50.2 17. Over next five years will -The United Nations Help Iraq 50.2 Hurt Iraq 18.5 If these answers came from two different polls, then one might be tempted to state that the polls contradicted each other. But, its from the same sample group; the questions are taken from the same questionnaire. Indeed, it sounds as though this might be very poll that the economist quotes. Another thing to note is that this, as well as the other polls I've mentioned, were taken last August. There are indications that attitudes have deteriorated since then. It will be interesting to see the trends when these various polling companies come out with their results. Now, it is possible that all of the polls are inaccurate; I'd be willing to believe that there might be something to be said about techniques that work well in the US or Europe not being as robust in Iraq. But, I would like to see why other techniques of understanding are superior. Finally, it should be noted that, as skeptical as the people are about the US, a third wanted us out in 6 months, and a quarter wanted us out in a year, and a third wanted us out in 2+ years (roughly). So, the feelings were still at least mixed in August. Putting the results together, there have to be some people who think the US will hurt Iraq over the next 5 years but still don't want us to leave too soon. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bishops to punish catholic politicians who disobey Pope
At 12:28 PM 11/12/2003 -0600 The Fool wrote: WASHINGTON - Frustrated that so many Catholic politicians support abortion rights, the bishops of the United States said yesterday they will begin evaluating whether they can impose sanctions against elected officials who vote contrary to church teachings Shocking development The Fool posts another article with a subject line that both insults and misleads as to the true contents of the article. Its a good thing Catholics are Jews Fool, or else you might really have gotten yourself in trouble at the very least you probably wouldn't be allowed to write football columns any more JDG - Who wonders if he should be proud in some sense that those who you use code words for anti-Catholic bigotry aren't immediately driven out of the public forum. ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity. - George W. Bush 1/29/03 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: [L3] RE: religious/political question
Erik Reuter wrote: I remember most of the 120 million muslims of my country speaking out against the atrocity. You must have a phenomenal memory! I can only remember 120 people on a good day, let alone 120 MILLION! *g* Not that phenomenal...hmm, how about this: 'In the aftermath of 9/11, a large number of Indian muslims spoke out against the atrocity. In fact, only a few of the 120 million Indian muslims spoke in favour of OBL and they were condemned/criticised/stoned for doing so.' Is that better? :) Ritu GCU Attempting Precisionsort of class ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bishops to punish catholic politicians who disobey Pope
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 12:28 PM 11/12/2003 -0600 The Fool wrote: WASHINGTON - Frustrated that so many Catholic politicians support abortion rights, the bishops of the United States said yesterday they will begin evaluating whether they can impose sanctions against elected officials who vote contrary to church teachings Shocking development The Fool posts another article with a subject line that both insults and misleads as to the true contents of the article. In what way is it misleading or even insulting? Its a good thing Catholics are Jews Fool, or else you might really have gotten yourself in trouble at the very least you probably wouldn't be allowed to write football columns any more This is most incoherent thing JDG has written that I have read. (And thats saying something). I have no clue whatsoever as what it means. I am lost. JDG - Who wonders if he should be proud in some sense that those who you use code words for anti-Catholic bigotry aren't immediately driven out of the public forum. What code words? What exactly are you talking about? Are you drunk or high? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
CDs 'could be history in five years'
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_837803.html?menu=news.latestheadlines Compact discs could be history within five years, superseded by a new generation of fingertip-sized memory tabs with no moving parts. Scientists say each paper-thin device could store more than a gigabyte of information - equivalent to 1,000 high quality images - in one cubic centimetre of space. Experts have developed the technology by melding together organic and inorganic materials in a unique way. They say it could be used to produce a single-use memory card that permanently stores data and is faster and easier to operate than a CD. It's claimed that turning the invention into a commercially viable product might take as little as five years. The card would not involve any moving parts, such as the laser and motor drive required by compact discs. Its secret is the discovery of a previously unknown property of a commonly-used conductive plastic coating. US scientists at Princeton University, New Jersey, and computer giants Hewlett-Packard combined the polymer with very thin-film, silicon-based electronics. The device would be like a standard CD-R (CD-recordable) disc in that writing data onto it makes permanent changes and can only be done once. But it would also resemble a computer memory chip, because it would plug directly into an electronic circuit and have no moving parts. A report in the journal Nature described how the researchers identified a new property of a polymer called PEDOT. PEDOT, which is clear and conducts electricity, has been used for years as an anti-static coating on photographic film. Researchers looked at ways of using PEDOT to store digital information. In the new memory card, data in the form of ones and zeroes would be represented by polymer pixels. When information is recorded, higher voltages at certain points in the circuit grid would blow the PEDOT fuses at those points. As a result, data is permanently etched into the device. A blown fuse would from then on be read as a zero, while an unblown one that lets current pass through is read as a one. xponent New News Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Bishops to punish catholic politicians who disobey Pope
At 11:29 PM 11/12/03 -0600, The Fool wrote to John D. Giorgis: Are you drunk or high? Are you? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: CDs 'could be history in five years'
Good thing I never replaced most of my 8-tracks with CDs, huh? At 11:37 PM 11/12/03 -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_837803.html?menu=news.latestheadlines Compact discs could be history within five years, superseded by a new generation of fingertip-sized memory tabs with no moving parts. Scientists say each paper-thin device could store more than a gigabyte of information - equivalent to 1,000 high quality images - in one cubic centimetre of space. Experts have developed the technology by melding together organic and inorganic materials in a unique way. They say it could be used to produce a single-use memory card that permanently stores data and is faster and easier to operate than a CD. It's claimed that turning the invention into a commercially viable product might take as little as five years. The card would not involve any moving parts, such as the laser and motor drive required by compact discs. Its secret is the discovery of a previously unknown property of a commonly-used conductive plastic coating. US scientists at Princeton University, New Jersey, and computer giants Hewlett-Packard combined the polymer with very thin-film, silicon-based electronics. The device would be like a standard CD-R (CD-recordable) disc in that writing data onto it makes permanent changes and can only be done once. But it would also resemble a computer memory chip, because it would plug directly into an electronic circuit and have no moving parts. A report in the journal Nature described how the researchers identified a new property of a polymer called PEDOT. PEDOT, which is clear and conducts electricity, has been used for years as an anti-static coating on photographic film. Researchers looked at ways of using PEDOT to store digital information. In the new memory card, data in the form of ones and zeroes would be represented by polymer pixels. When information is recorded, higher voltages at certain points in the circuit grid would blow the PEDOT fuses at those points. As a result, data is permanently etched into the device. A blown fuse would from then on be read as a zero, while an unblown one that lets current pass through is read as a one. xponent New News Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
