Re: March for Women's Lives
Julia wrote: I'd be willing to bet that they statistically match the working women's population--which is something like 62% employed... And the other 38% is working, just not for a paycheck. Julia Every Mother Is A Working Mother Maru Geeze, Julia, raising kids wouldnt be meaningfull work now, would it? Just send them to a sweat shop as soon as their able to toddle their way around and they'll be OK. Damned child labor laws are way too restrictive anyway. Old enough to drool, old enough to tool, that's what I always say. That would free you up to perform some male worshiping duty which you should have been doing anyway. Sheesh. I guess some people are more like the ones they profess to hate than they would care to admit. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
The Bush White House
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Re: This time I won't blame Bush
David wrote: The problem is that there aren't enough jobs to go around, so some people wind up in dangerous jobs. Did they VOLUNTARILY choose those jobs? Technically, yes. But they didn't have enough other choices for it to really be a free choice. Of course what a snot nosed kid whose idea of being poor is having to eat raman for diner for a few nights because his allowance ran out early wouldn't understand is that there are many circumstances wherein an employee is not at liberty to just walk off his job because of the conditions. Some people have responsibilities (look that up in the dictionary) like families who not only require food and a roof over their head, but medical insurance and the like. Of course the record of an unregulated corporate America is already pretty clear. They are no more responsible that the aforementioned snot nosed dickhead. It would be nice if they didn't need to be babysat, but there ya go, they just don't have the moral fiber to be left to themselves. Generally speaking, of course. Hell there must be a few snots out there that aren't half bad themselves. Just don't hold your breath. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mike Lee quotes
David wrote: Mike-- I wouldn't want to offend you after all the care you have taken not to hurt anyone's feelings, but there's a rumor that you are an alter ego of an established list member. If so, would it be O.K. if I killfiled you? Your main persona could always post for you once you rediscovered your manners. I have no idea who he is or even if he's a real conservative venting his anti-social views or someone doing a caricature of a right winger. Maybe we should start a pool. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Iraq and Vietnam
iaamoac wrote: But Tet played in the liberal press as a world-shaking victory for the Viet Cong, just as a hyperventilating media has portrayed the Fallujah action and Moqtada al-Sadr's aborted revolt as the beginning of the end of the U.S. occupation in Iraq. But, given that the Sunni insurgents are claiming that they are using the US declared truce period to move their operations from Fallujah to Baghdad, and to consolidate some of their resources in more remote locations, isn't it a bit early to say that the outbreak of violence against foreigners in Fallujah is either overstated or over? If the sort of action seen in Fallujah recently is the work of Abu al-Zarqawi or similar, the US may never find an answer, and certainly not in time for a meaningful power transfer in a matter of weeks. Certainly al-Sadr's bite has turned out to be a little less than many feared at this stage, but the US, and/or Brahmini, need to have clerics from both Shi'ite and Sunni sects on-side, and they seem to have neither. Militarily, the Tet Offensive may have been extraordinarily expensive for the Viet Cong, but in terms of the US political position (and that's what brought about the end of the war after all) Tet was far more than a new year for HoChi Minh. Westmoreland was so happy he had put down the troops in the street, he completely missed the effect that watching the US embassy coming under fire had in living rooms around the country. Abizaid may find himself in that same position very quickly - at least Johnson, Clifford and McPherson had the luxury of a new term. GWB, Rumsfeld and Rice face an election in a few months. Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
On 27 Apr 2004, at 2:10 am, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 07:01 PM 4/26/04, William T Goodall wrote: That was a big march apparently. Was there supposed to be a link to a news story about it or something? If so, it didn't come through. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Womens-March.html http://www.feminist.org/ -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Our products just aren't engineered for security. - Brian Valentine, senior vice president in charge of Microsoft's Windows development team. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Enterprise cancelled?
Its on the bubble for next season. Something about half a season will be done if the series is decided to be dropped. Just to clue it up... and the 5 ep that are remaining are for this season. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Enterprise cancelled?
At 09:50 AM 4/27/2004 -0230 Nick Lidster wrote: Its on the bubble for next season. Something about half a season will be done if the series is decided to be dropped. Just to clue it up... and the 5 ep that are remaining are for this season. Time to put it out of its misery. JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mike Lee quotes
At 10:28 PM 4/26/2004 -0700 Doug Pensinger wrote: I have no idea who he is or even if he's a real conservative venting his anti-social views or someone doing a caricature of a right winger. Maybe we should start a pool. I suggested a ways back that this guy showed all the classic signs of being a troll. JDG - Just in case anyone is wondering why I haven't responded to his most outrageous stuff, Maru. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Enterprise cancelled?
Time to put it out of its misery. Ah, but just think what it COULD have been! Damon, who finds the Temporal Cold War and the current story less than satisfying... = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mike Lee quotes
Doug Pensinger wrote: David wrote: Mike-- I wouldn't want to offend you after all the care you have taken not to hurt anyone's feelings, but there's a rumor that you are an alter ego of an established list member. ... I have no idea who he is or even if he's a real conservative venting his anti-social views or someone doing a caricature of a right winger. Maybe we should start a pool. Not a bad idea, but how would we settle the bet? If he wants to claim he is a real person, all he needs to do is find a Mike Lee somewhere and claim to be him. This doesn't sound too hard, since Mike Lee must be a pretty common name. ---David Hobby (The mathematician, not the golfer, not the Australian geologist.) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
Ah, but just think what it COULD have been! I kind of enjoyed the first season, but came to dislike the way they rewrote the past, doing things that we know from the later shows didn't really happen in the ST universe. -- Tom Beck my LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/ I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never thought I'd see the last. - Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mike Lee quotes
Not a bad idea, but how would we settle the bet? If he wants to claim he is a real person, all he needs to do is find a Mike Lee somewhere and claim to be him. This doesn't sound too hard, since Mike Lee must be a pretty common name. I know a Mike Lee in Minnesota, but he wouldn't have written this kind of nonsense. -- Tom Beck my LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/ I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never thought I'd see the last. - Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
From: Tom Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Enterprise cancelled? Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 08:51:27 -0400 Ah, but just think what it COULD have been! I kind of enjoyed the first season, but came to dislike the way they rewrote the past, doing things that we know from the later shows didn't really happen in the ST universe. Perhaps it's all part of the Temporal Cold War. For all we know, the 'real' timeline may not be real at all. Just a thought... -Travis my dad's a temporal mechanic, he fixes cars all the TIME Edmunds _ STOP MORE SPAM with the MSN Premium and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mike Lee quotes
From: David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Mike Lee quotes Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:23:14 -0400 Mike-- I wouldn't want to offend you after all the care you have taken not to hurt anyone's feelings, but there's a rumor that you are an alter ego of an established list member. Based on the rumor, who's the leading candidate for Mr. Hyde? -Travis someone's hyding Edmunds _ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
I kind of enjoyed the first season, but came to dislike the way they rewrote the past, doing things that we know from the later shows didn't really happen in the ST universe. Perhaps it's all part of the Temporal Cold War. For all we know, the 'real' timeline may not be real at all. Just a thought... Perhaps, although I think its more the fact that the current writers don't have a strong interest in maintaining continuity. Perhaps, like some Anime, this is in an alternate universe. However, if they do use the Temporal Cold War as the reason, all I have to say is this: L-A-M-E. Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Da Vinci: Inventor of Car?
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Da Vinci: Inventor of Car? Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:20:22 -0500 To be fair, Leonardo did design the device, as opposed to Niven just describing his hulls. And it is possible that one was actually built by Leonardo. I was under the impression that it was just a design and nothing more. AFAIK, Leonardo lacked the patience to carry through with most of his schemes. My information however, may be outdated. I recall that some of Leonardo's designs have actually been built and that they worked. IIRC a pump is the best example. Didn't hear about that one. Although I know that he designed (get a load of this!), a primitive battle-tank, semiautomatic weapons, stink bombs (to be fired by catapult), diving suits with snorkels, several flying machines, the first known design for a parachute, a primitive helicopter, and believe it or not, an articulated chain similar to a modern bicycle chain. How far do you have to take an idea along the road to a finished product before it could be considered an invention? xponent A Question Of Degrees Maru rob I agree Rob. And as far as I'm concerned, if he drafted those designs then he invented them. My interpretation of 'inventing' something doesn't have to include even a prototype, let alone a finished model. -Travis _ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Enterprise cancelled? Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 06:28:26 -0700 (PDT) Perhaps it's all part of the Temporal Cold War. For all we know, the 'real' timeline may not be real at all. Just a thought... Perhaps, although I think its more the fact that the current writers don't have a strong interest in maintaining continuity. Why wouldn't writers want to maintain continuity in a popular fictional Universe? Ask yourself that question and that theory takes a major blow. Perhaps, like some Anime, this is in an alternate universe. However, if they do use the Temporal Cold War as the reason, all I have to say is this: L-A-M-E. I couldn't agree more. As an episode or a string of episodes, or even as a recurring theme I could accept it. Even by Star Trek standards! But as a possible overall plot scheme...like you said - LAME. -Travis _ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
Why wouldn't writers want to maintain continuity in a popular fictional Universe? Ask yourself that question and that theory takes a major blow. Why would they? Unless they're sad fanboys themselves, which they rarely are, they're never concerned with continuity. It's too difficult to maintain; so much easier not even to bother. That way you can do anything you like. It's the producers' responsibility to prevent this, and I just don't get the feeling that the Enterprise producers care either. -- Tom Beck my LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/ I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never thought I'd see the last. - Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Why it pays to read
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44998-2004Apr26.html The Cultural Divides of War By Richard Cohen Tuesday, April 27, 2004; Page A21 It is said -- actually, he's the one who said it -- that President Bush barely skims the newspapers and instead gets briefed by his staff. If that's the case, then Bush probably missed the story in the New York Times about how, when three Japanese were freed by their captors in Iraq, they returned to Japan and were greeted not with yellow ribbons but with scorn and anger. In Iraq, knives were held to their throats. In Japan, the fear is they might use them on themselves. The three were kidnapped in early April near Fallujah and released about two weeks later. In the interim, they were seen on TV with their captors, who threatened to kill them unless Japan pulled its troops out of Iraq. Even as that was happening, though, some in the Japanese government and the press were, as the cliche goes, blaming the victim. For what, you might ask? For three reasons, we are told. For endangering Japan's humanitarian mission in Iraq. For disobeying a government advisory and going to Iraq in the first place. For putting their own goals above those of the nation. The public censure was such that the families of the hostages received harassing phone calls even while the three were still in Iraq, and politicians dumped on them even before they were pronounced safe. A helpful government sent a plane for them -- and then billed them for the flight. An American would be pardoned for paraphrasing the ever-wise Dorothy: This was not Kansas. :::snip::: Too bad George Bush doesn't read newspapers on his own. They can teach a lesson. The story about the hostages in Iraq was only partially about Japanese culture. By inference, it was also about American assumptions. -- Tom Beck my LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/ I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never thought I'd see the last. - Dr. Jerry Pournelle --___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: March for Women's Lives Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:48:58 + Is it the biggest? Just a little over 1 million? I would imagine that other moments had more than 1 megapeople gathered together. Or is it the biggest march for a political movement? I think it was the biggest march ever, in the month after March! -Travis _ MSN Premium helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
Why would they? Unless they're sad fanboys themselves, which they rarely are, they're never concerned with continuity. It's too difficult to maintain; so much easier not even to bother. That way you can do anything you like. It's the producers' responsibility to prevent this, and I just don't get the feeling that the Enterprise producers care either. I thought the producers were also doing the writing for this show (whatshisface and thatotherguy)? Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
From: Tom Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Enterprise cancelled? Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:06:18 -0400 Why wouldn't writers want to maintain continuity in a popular fictional Universe? Ask yourself that question and that theory takes a major blow. Why would they? Why? If for no other reason than it's Star Trek! Moreover, if writers themselves (producers aside) can't or won't maintain an acceptable level of continuity within the fictional Universe that they culture and maintain, then they should no longer have the job of culturing and maintaining that particular fictional Universe. Unless they're sad fanboys themselves, which they rarely are, they're never concerned with continuity. Fair enough. At least in the context of a television show and all the pains that go along with it. But if it were up to me...NEW WRITING STAFF. I am absolutely baffled at times by the lack of originality and thought that goes into some writing. But I suppose as Dr Brin once said of originality in sci-fi - Since Roddenberry Bradbury, you'll find few others. -Travis _ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: This time I won't blame Bush
That's really brilliant -- counter an ad hominem argument with another one. You got it! I was so afraid that would go over everyone's heads. Now, there may be some irony intended in that. I'll assume that ML is calculating enough to have planted the irony intentionally, and give him half a point for it. I'm more generous: you deserve a full point for your facility in belaboring the obvious. Wow! Going after the most consistently inoffensive person on this list with an insult. Not just that, But Julia is the heart and soul of this little community. Alas, Robert, you missed the subtly respectful and eloquent response Mike paid to Julia. I am impressed. I hope Julia is as well. Nerd From Hell ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Mike Lee quotes
Mike-- I wouldn't want to offend you after all the care you have taken not to hurt anyone's feelings, but there's a rumor that you are an alter ego of an established list member. I'm now curious... Who is Mike Lee? Who could he be? What rumors? I have not hear any rumors... Am I out of the loop here? Hello? Putting aside my insignificant social role here (that role would be Baghdad Bob of the Brin List) I must say that Mike could not really be someone on the list. Who on this list can compare in terms of his writing skill? WHO I ASK!!! It would be obvious that Mike Lee would be a shadow of the real Slim Shady. So who exactly can compete in writing against him? A artist pretending to be another artist is some artist. How could a puppet act better than the real person? So far I have not seen anyone really hold a strong stick against Mike. People are spitting and kicking dirt on the umps shoes, relying upon a hope that maybe he is He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, so we can dismiss his rantings as the acts of a sad and hopeless, unrecognized (yet sensitive) intellectual. So the mystery thickens. Everyone is screaming troll under the bridge out of frustration. The argument is that Mike is one of us.. (sorry Mike, don' mean to discriminate you vs. us but, I have a point to make here ...) yet he is kicking some serious liberal butt. When the Fool himself, the other masked avenger of our group start to whine about Mike the Troll, I get a good chuckle. Who is this Masked man? Or should I say Who is Mike Lee? I have to take a stand here and say to everyone Give Mike a Chance... And I Like Mike. It could be that Mike is really just a normal guy who is the fair victim of He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named (love saying that!). What I see is attempts to demonize Mike because, well ... He's winning... Nerd Who Must Not Be Named ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Mike Lee quotes
Chad said: What I see is attempts to demonize Mike because, well ... He's winning... ...even if he is weak on terrorism. I mean, did you see how he totally ignored my suggestion of an Alaskan gulag for liberals? Rich ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
- Original Message - From: Tom Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Enterprise cancelled? Why wouldn't writers want to maintain continuity in a popular fictional Universe? Ask yourself that question and that theory takes a major blow. Why would they? Unless they're sad fanboys themselves, which they rarely are, they're never concerned with continuity. It's too difficult to maintain; so much easier not even to bother. That way you can do anything you like. It's the producers' responsibility to prevent this, and I just don't get the feeling that the Enterprise producers care either. see I never thought I'd see that day come when I would defend ST:E. however it has arrived. first instance, take EP 23 of season 2, Regeneration, its based on the debris field left by the borg sphere in the movie First Contact. There were technical problems that were used by the writers the urked me however it falls within the confines of the time line. As for the temporal Cold war.. I could do without it, don't get me wrong they make it fit and explain it well as to why events are unfolding this way, by temporal lag so things cannot be fixed right at that time, there is nothing to say that based on the possible;possibilities that its is deemed that the less intrusive method and a style which alters the timeline less would be the way that things are unfolding in the ST:E universe. And reasons as to why things are occurring have been explained well, the sphere builders they lost a war in the future so they get a technological advanced species to destroy the federation in the past so they can win in the future. I can see it getting dropped from production rather quickly next season, and I hope it is not the end of ST series, as I would love to see one based on the romulan wars, and the lost era around Enterprise B - C. or even a future one based in the time of the sphere wars or even one farther along based on a full scale war with the borg, with both the alpha and beta quadrants joined together to defeat them. Nick resistance is futile Lidster ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
however it has arrived. first instance, take EP 23 of season 2, Regeneration, its based on the debris field left by the borg sphere in the movie First Contact. There were technical problems that were used by the writers the urked me however it falls within the confines of the time line. That's OK; I'm not REALLY complaining about that, since it works off of established canon. The problem I have, currently with Trek, is the overreliance on plot motivations coming from TIME TRAVEL. This plot device has been so overused its become a Trek cliche. This series had sooo much going for it, to really break the Trek mold and do things hinted at in later shows, but never really detailed. Like the Romulan War, or the establishment of the Federation. Even though I love the Andorans (and have been complaining for years that they were an underused race that dissappeared in NextGen and later, and only had a cameo appearance in ST4) I think there's plenty of missed opportunities there as well. So instead of using already established, but lesser known species (like the Andorians, or Tellarites, or even Romulans) we get ANOTHER ST alien species flavor of the week (or in this case, season) that ends up being hollow and shallow (we know they're BAD because they're always frowning and talking mean!). After all, the Andorians are IIRC one of the founding members of the Federation, fer chrissakes! Oh well. I wish I was better at writing and maybe I'd do my own version of Enterprise... Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: This time I won't blame Bush
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's really brilliant -- counter an ad hominem argument with another one. You got it! I was so afraid that would go over everyone's heads. Now, there may be some irony intended in that. I'll assume that ML is calculating enough to have planted the irony intentionally, and give him half a point for it. I'm more generous: you deserve a full point for your facility in belaboring the obvious. Wow! Going after the most consistently inoffensive person on this list with an insult. Not just that, But Julia is the heart and soul of this little community. Alas, Robert, you missed the subtly respectful and eloquent response Mike paid to Julia. I am impressed. I hope Julia is as well. I recognized the compliment. :) And yes, I do belabor the obvious at times; the likelihood of that varies inversely with the amount of sleep I've had in the 96 hours preceding. Julia who can be expected to belabor the obvious in a day or two, and on May 13 or 14 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mike Lee quotes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I see is attempts to demonize Mike because, well ... He's winning... If he wins, then perhaps he'll realize that he's on a list with a bunch of losers, so he'll leave. Nick -- Nick Arnett Director, Business Intelligence Services LiveWorld Inc. Phone/fax: (408) 551-0427 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Enterprise cancelled?
The problem I have, currently with Trek, is the overreliance on plot motivations coming from TIME TRAVEL. This plot device has been so overused its become a Trek cliche. I disagree. I think the time travel stuff is great. In fact, I think the next series should be based upon the time corp, and their wacky antics keeping the timelines straight. It's Colonel Flagg meets Mulder. They can weave in and out of the past series, and do a lot of What if's... They can repopularize ST cameo appearances. Nerd From Hell ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The opposite of having to be right
Dave Land Top-Posted: Of course, the whole left-liberal idea of reasonable discussion is completely bankrupt. In short, Mr. Arnett is wrong, wrong, wrong. But what does he care? Nick Arnett wrote: Had a little insight the other day that seems relevant to our periodic how-to-have-a-reasonable-discussion discussions. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
At 08:28 AM 4/27/04, Damon Agretto wrote: I kind of enjoyed the first season, but came to dislike the way they rewrote the past, doing things that we know from the later shows didn't really happen in the ST universe. Perhaps it's all part of the Temporal Cold War. For all we know, the 'real' timeline may not be real at all. Just a thought... Perhaps, although I think its more the fact that the current writers don't have a strong interest in maintaining continuity. Perhaps, like some Anime, this is in an alternate universe. However, if they do use the Temporal Cold War as the reason, all I have to say is this: L-A-M-E. Nah. The last episode will have Captain Archer wake up in bed with Suzanne Pleshette and realize it was all a dream. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The opposite of having to be right
Rearranged for convenience: Nick Arnett wrote: Had a little insight the other day that seems relevant to our periodic how-to-have-a-reasonable-discussion discussions. At 12:12 PM 4/27/04, Dave Land wrote: Dave Land Top-Posted: Of course, the whole left-liberal idea of reasonable discussion is completely bankrupt. In short, Mr. Arnett is wrong, wrong, wrong. But what does he care? If he is wrong, then, do you have any suggestions for keeping discussions on a reasonable level rather than having them degenerate into personal insults? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Collected thoughs on Iraq
I have been thinking about what is going on in Iraq now, and have decided to collect responses to several posts in one postbecause of the interconnections I see. Gautam wrote in response to me: I think the best conclusion that can be reached is that the people of Iraq have strong mixed feelings about the US. Dan M. And that's perfectly reasonable. Given the incredible levels of anti-American propaganda that they have been, and _are_ (in the hands of Al Jazeera) continually exposed to, and the various pathologies that have become sadly endemic to the culture of many Middle Eastern states (it is common, for example, for people who have been in Iraq to tell me about how the Iraqi man on the street will, fairly routinely, blame everything that's going on on a Jewish conspiracy) I'm actually a little surprised that the numbers that we have are as favorable as they are. We pretty well agree on this...it will be interesting to see if the conclusions we draw from the same set of facts will also be the same. First, I see two reasons for the opinions to be as favorable as they are. First, Hussein was really as bad as we said he was; and the people of Iraq are very relieved that he is gone. Second, the actions of our troops, in all probability, have been exemplary for an occupying force. From the very small number of complaints about abuse by troops, rapes, etc., I would guess that the forces there are both exceptionally well trained and well motivated. Harking back to the comparisons the administration and others made with the occupation of Germany and Japan, I would be very surprised if the occupation of Iraq did not greatly exceed the humanitarian and ethical standards set by the actions of our GIs in those countries. Set against that, there are a number of factors. You listed some of them; I'd add a few more: a shamed based culture where it is easy to injure honor and pride; a society where official sources are trusted less than rumors; a society where people with guns will shoot if you say the wrong thing in front of them, a society where the ideas of representative government are foreign. They are in a position where they may very well be willing to trade liberty for security because they really don't believe in the reality of what will give them their liberty. Given this, I would argue that public opinion is very volatile. It can easily swing against the US. The natural tendency is against the US, and it takes a tremendous amount of work to slow the slide in that direction. The longer we are in control, the more difficult it will beespecially if we do not guarantee security for the people. Now, let me look at a couple of other posts. JDG wrote in response to Tom Beck: At 03:46 PM 4/14/2004 -0400 Thomas Beck wrote: William Safire is going to be the last human being (possibly the last carbon-based lifeform) to recognize, or at least to admit, that the USA is getting bogged down in a nightmare in Iraq that is not going to end early or well (certainly not both). I guess that makes two of us JDG - Nightmares aren't this successful, Maru While I wouldn't say that Iraq is now a nightmare, it does have that potential. Calling our actions there successful is looking through rose colored glasses. Let me give just a couple of examples of this. 1) The turn-over of power on June 30th. It is a hard date that is driven by the clock ticking on our occupation of Iraq. It might also be a bit driven by domestic politics...nothing is outside of politics, but I'll give Bush the benefit of the doubt here. Lets look at what has happened with it. The US had a plan for a caucus system for the interim government. It seemed pretty reasonable, but it was nixed by the locals. Then, the US floated the balloon of expanding the present council. That was quickly shot down. Now, we are depending on a man, Lakhdar Brahimi, who is lecturing the US of the evil of not being anti-Semitic enough to get us a good government. He has stated that it is a fact, not my opinion, that Israel's bad treatment of the Palestinians is poisoning the Middle East. I guess time reversal can be used to explain multiple attempts by the Arabs to destroy Israel in history as a reaction to the present actions of Israel. What does Bush do with these lectures? He swallows them and repeats his confidence in his accuser. Can you imagine how the pundits would have a field day if Gore were to have done that? Its clear to me that we are doing this because we are close to out of options. Indeed, Mr. Brahimi may be doing the lecturing as a bit of a calculated move to give him some legitimacy in the eyes of the Arab world. We may have even known about it in advance. But, this legitimacy is obtained at the expense of the US, who looks as though we've come crawling back to the UN because we need them to fix something we can't. The early bluster of the Administration makes this look all the worse.
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
At 01:53 PM 4/27/04, Thomas Beck wrote: Nah. The last episode will have Captain Archer wake up in bed with Suzanne Pleshette and realize it was all a dream. Be even better if he awakes in bed with Bob Newhart... ;-) -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Ultimate Chutzpah
Yesterday Dick Cheney blasted John Kerrey for voting in the Senate against various defense spending bills. It turns out, the Bush Administration REQUESTED most of those cuts! Cheney: Kerrey voted against defense spending. Reporter: But, sir...you ASKED him to vote against those defense spending bills! Cheney: That's irrelevant. The fact is, he voted against defense spending. This is most blatant chutzpah since Colin Ferguson acted as his own defense attorney in the LIRR shooting and asked his own victims if they recognized the man who had shot them. -- Tom Beck my LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/ New York (Football) Giants: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Go_Big_Blue/ I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never thought I'd see the last. - Dr. Jerry Pournelle --___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Ultimate Chutzpah
At 04:00 PM 4/27/2004, you wrote: Yesterday Dick Cheney blasted John Kerrey for voting in the Senate against various defense spending bills. It turns out, the Bush Administration REQUESTED most of those cuts! Cheney: Kerrey voted against defense spending. Reporter: But, sir...you ASKED him to vote against those defense spending bills! Cheney: That's irrelevant. The fact is, he voted against defense spending. This is most blatant chutzpah since Colin Ferguson acted as his own defense attorney in the LIRR shooting and asked his own victims if they recognized the man who had shot them. Tom Beck Did this little exchange come completely from your imagination? The bigger issue, there are a few facts left out that put the votes into context. I think they would bolster your argument in the short term, but wreck it long term. I'll let it up to the gentle readers whether you didn't know these facts or left them out deliberately. Kevin T. - VRWLC I owe I owe and so on ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Ultimate Chutzpah
Kevin Tarr wrote: At 04:00 PM 4/27/2004, you wrote: Yesterday Dick Cheney blasted John Kerrey for voting in the Senate against various defense spending bills. It turns out, the Bush Administration REQUESTED most of those cuts! Cheney: Kerrey voted against defense spending. Reporter: But, sir...you ASKED him to vote against those defense spending bills! Cheney: That's irrelevant. The fact is, he voted against defense spending. This is most blatant chutzpah since Colin Ferguson acted as his own defense attorney in the LIRR shooting and asked his own victims if they recognized the man who had shot them. Tom Beck Did this little exchange come completely from your imagination? The bigger issue, there are a few facts left out that put the votes into context. I think they would bolster your argument in the short term, but wreck it long term. I'll let it up to the gentle readers whether you didn't know these facts or left them out deliberately. Not having been aware of any of this before now, I'm wondering if someone could provide the rest of the facts that you say have been left out? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
Damon Agretto wrote: Even though I love the Andorans (and have been complaining for years that they were an underused race that dissappeared in NextGen and later, and only had a cameo appearance in ST4) There's an Andoran in Voyager. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: March for Women's Lives
Julia, sharing a hoary old feminist conceit: I'd be willing to bet that they statistically match the working women's population--which is something like 62% employed... And the other 38% is working, just not for a paycheck. They don't work very hard. And if they do, it's because they're neurotic or incompetent. Face it--women don't work near as hard as men, in this culture or any other culture. I'm so tired of the whining about how baking bread and eating bonbon's is just as valuable as manning an oil rig. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: March for Women's Lives
The Fool, amusing me today: I'd be willing to bet that they statistically match the working women's population--which is something like 62% employed... Any other group that had a 38% unemployment rate would be considered a social disaster. So what you're saying, is 4 out of 10 women don't even have jobs, which dovetails with my point pretty well, don't you think? Of course, you don't. I'll add the point that the majority of women who do work are overpaid and underemployed because, compared to men, they're lazy, not career-minded, and refuse to do the hard jobs. But of course in Stupid Troll's world working people don't matter. And neither do women, or poor people, or anyone who isn't a rich white English speaker or a corporation. Of course, working people matter. They just don't matter *as much.* Mike Lee Islamic Moderate ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
- Original Message - From: Mike Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 5:08 PM Subject: RE: March for Women's Lives Julia, sharing a hoary old feminist conceit: I'd be willing to bet that they statistically match the working women's population--which is something like 62% employed... And the other 38% is working, just not for a paycheck. They don't work very hard. And if they do, it's because they're neurotic or incompetent. Face it--women don't work near as hard as men, in this culture or any other culture. I'm so tired of the whining about how baking bread and eating bonbon's is just as valuable as manning an oil rig. How many oil rigs have you been on? Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Death to JPEG
Some jerks are trying to impose a patent on the jpeg format. Is there any generic jpeg-like format, like the PNG to replace GIF or the OGG to replace MP3? Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Enterprise cancelled?
It's Colonel Flagg meets Mulder. Col. Flagg??? Wow, that's a name I haven't heard for years. I assume that is a MASH reference? :-) As much as I hate to criticize ST:E, I think they have made nothing more than a half-hearted attempt to cash in on the Star Trek franchise. As Damon said, just think of what it could have been. I have had a problem with it from the get-go. They simply have gotten so far away from the original Star Trek history that it wasn't funny. The ORIGINAL Enterprise captain was Robert April. I have no idea what writers guidelines they use, but I do know that the guidelines used for the Star Trek novels were quite different. They demanded continuity, and ST:E seems to throw all of that out of the window. Gary ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Enterprise cancelled?
There's an Andoran in Voyager. Umm I never remembered one! Damon. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Death to JPEG
Some jerks are trying to impose a patent on the jpeg format. Is there any generic jpeg-like format, like the PNG to replace GIF or the OGG to replace MP3? Alberto Monteiro Unisys wasn't terribly successful at trying to collect royalties for .GIF. Unisys was a laughing stock even to those of us that work for them. I suspect that this lame attempt will take that same path. Gary ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Mike Lee quotes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I see is attempts to demonize Mike because, well ... He's winning... Hi, Chad/Nerd. Good to hear from you. He's winning? It depends on how one keeps score. In my book, going for cheap shots that make good soundbites can be construed as an admission that one can't argue things on their merits. I've often wondered about this idea of winning a debate. Some people seem to actually judge the winner on the basis of snappy lines like the following, regardless of the facts: I KNEW Jack Kennedy, and you're no Jack Kennedy. If it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, ... then it is a duck. (Sorry about the mess I made of the last one!) ---David ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Death to JPEG
On Tue, Apr 27, 2004 at 04:07:23PM -0700, Miller, Jeffrey wrote: *raspberry* won't happen :) I wouldn't be so sure. Forgent hasn't been entirely unsuccessful: Forgent has engaged in an aggressive pursuit of royalties related to JPEG since first announcing its claim to the patents in July 2002. In February 2003, the software maker won a $16m licensing agreement from Sony based on the holdings, US Patent No. 4,698,672. The company claims it has generated over $90m (£50.9m) in licensing fees related to the patent over the last two years. Noonan said that one of the companies from which Forgent was created, Vtel, had earlier purchased the patent rights, which were granted in 1987. http://news.zdnet.co.uk/business/legal/0,39020651,39152832,00.htm -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Collected thoughs on Iraq
Dan Minette wrote: Every day the insurgents remain in control, we appear weaker. Yet, if we go in with guns blazing, we will kill a number of civilians. With the Arab media claiming that we deliberately targeting civilians in earlier clashes, you can just imagine the outcome if civilian dead are paraded, with eyewitnesses describing the bloodthirsty Americans. I think this single example (and it is only one of many problems faced by the US) is enough to show why success in unlikely. Every battle with insurgents plays on al-Jazeera as heavily armed *uniformed* soldiers going into battle, then shows the dead and wounded *civilians* lying in the streets. The fact that minutes before these same civilians had an AK47 strapped on their back and an RPG mounted on their shoulder will never be shown. Once again, on our TVs at least, we are being shown unending footage of a little boy missing an arm and a leg at the hands *of American bombs*. Now I don't know when the US last used bombs inside Iraqi cities, but I can be fairly sure that if an explosion takes place inside a city where children are playing, that the statistical probability is higher for an insurgent action than for an American action. I don't know whether the bad guys are trying to turn the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people, the American voters, or their own supporters, but I suspect that the Americans can't win this one while al-Jazeera rules the living rooms of the Middle East... Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Collected thoughs on Iraq
Dan Minette wrote: Now, we are depending on a man, Lakhdar Brahimi, who is lecturing the US of the evil of not being anti-Semitic enough to get us a good government. Brahmini is also reversing the US process of de-Baathification - many of his appointees held positions of authority under Saddam. He may have good reason (presumably their technical knowledge and experience) but one wonders how he can keep undoing what the US has done and still create something effective in a couple of months. Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Death to JPEG
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Some jerks are trying to impose a patent on the jpeg format. Is there any generic jpeg-like format, like the PNG to replace GIF or the OGG to replace MP3? The format was developed by JPEG, which is a part of the ISO. The ISO is unlikely to want to impose a patent (and probably *can't* based on its legal structure alone). I wouldn't rush out and replace anything yet... Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Collected thoughs on Iraq
Brahmini is also reversing the US process of de-Baathification - many of his appointees held positions of authority under Saddam. He may have good reason (presumably their technical knowledge and experience) but one wonders how he can keep undoing what the US has done and still create something effective in a couple of months. Many of them are relatively low level. Brahmini is trying to regain at least some of the goodwill of Sunnis who feel completely shut out of post-Saddam Iraq. This needs to be done carefully, but the Sunnis have to see that they have a stake in a peaceful, integrated Iraq. -- Tom Beck my LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/ New York (Football) Giants: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Go_Big_Blue/ _The Universal Baseball Association, J. Henry Waugh, Prop._ Fan Club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/j_henry_waugh/ I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never thought I'd see the last. - Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
From: Stupid Troll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Z Fool, amusing me today: I'd be willing to bet that they statistically match the working women's population--which is something like 62% employed... Any other group that had a 38% unemployment rate would be considered a social disaster. So what you're saying, is 4 out of 10 women don't even have jobs, which dovetails with my point pretty well, don't you think? Of course, you don't. You aren't very bright are you. Here's a Nice Graph, courtesy of Brad Delong, that shows the Employment to population ratio: http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/images2/Emp_Pop.gif I'll add the point that the majority of women who do work are overpaid and underemployed because, compared to men, they're lazy, not career-minded, and refuse to do the hard jobs. Perhaps you should read a book or a newspaper sometime. It won't help with your stupidity problem, but then perhaps you can pretend you know how to read. But of course in Stupid Troll's world working people don't matter. And neither do women, or poor people, or anyone who isn't a rich white English speaker or a corporation. Of course, working people matter. They just don't matter *as much.* You are not smart enough to become rich on your own, so you must think ~you~ just don't matter as much as those rich people you bow down to... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: March for Women's Lives
At 05:08 PM 4/27/04, Mike Lee wrote: Julia, sharing a hoary old feminist conceit: I'd be willing to bet that they statistically match the working women's population--which is something like 62% employed... And the other 38% is working, just not for a paycheck. They don't work very hard. And if they do, it's because they're neurotic or incompetent. You've never been married, have you? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: March for Women's Lives
Mike Lee wrote: They don't work very hard. And if they do, it's because they're neurotic or incompetent. Gosh, Mike, how many kids have you raised? 'Cause we all know how darn easy that one is. I frankly can't imagine doing the job my wife does. I far prefer having my real job. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
Mike Lee wrote: They don't work very hard. And if they do, it's because they're neurotic or incompetent. Gosh, Mike, how many kids have you raised? 'Cause we all know how darn easy that one is. I frankly can't imagine doing the job my wife does. I far prefer having my real job. Why is anyone even bothering to respond to this guy? It's clear to me he's just trolling, flapping his gums, saying outrageous stuff to try to provoke a response. So why give him the satisfaction of being provoked? (Or, if he really means it, then he deserves to be ignored anyway for being an offensive, ignorant, mean-spirited butthead.) Either way, let's wrap this up, please? -- Tom Beck my LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/ New York (Football) Giants: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Go_Big_Blue/ _The Universal Baseball Association, J. Henry Waugh, Prop._ Fan Club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/j_henry_waugh/ I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never thought I'd see the last. - Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
Thomas Beck wrote: Why is anyone even bothering to respond to this guy? Well, I did because I've been generally deleting most of my e-mails due to time pressures at home and work. I was unaware of trolling because I haven't been eating the latest bowl of list Drama Flakes. :) But I'll take a better look now. Jim ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Differences in Female, Male Sexuality
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/001393.html Study on Differences in Female, Male Sexuality EVANSTON, Ill. --- Three decades of research on mens sexual arousal show patterns that clearly track sexual orientation -- gay men overwhelmingly become sexually aroused by images of men and heterosexual men by images of women. In other words, mens sexual arousal patterns seem obvious. But a new Northwestern University study boosts the relatively limited research on womens sexuality with a surprisingly different finding regarding womens sexual arousal. In contrast to men, both heterosexual and lesbian women tend to become sexually aroused by both male and female erotica, and, thus, have a bisexual arousal pattern. These findings likely represent a fundamental difference between mens and womens brains and have important implications for understanding how sexual orientation development differs between men and women, said J. Michael Bailey, professor and chair of psychology at Northwestern and senior researcher of the study A Sex Difference in the Specificity of Sexual Arousal. The study is forthcoming in the journal Psychological Science. Baileys main research focus has been on the genetics and environment of sexual orientation, and he is one of the principal investigators of a widely cited study that concludes that genes influence male homosexuality. As in many areas of sexuality, research on womens sexual arousal patterns has lagged far behind mens, but the scant research on the subject does hint that, compared with men, womens sexual arousal patterns may be less tightly connected to their sexual orientation. The Northwestern study strongly suggests this is true. The Northwestern researchers measured the psychological and physiological sexual arousal in homosexual and heterosexual men and women as they watched erotic films. There were three types of erotic films: those featuring only men, those featuring only women and those featuring male and female couples. As with previous research, the researchers found that men responded consistent with their sexual orientations. In contrast, both homosexual and heterosexual women showed a bisexual pattern of psychological as well as genital arousal. That is, heterosexual women were just as sexually aroused by watching female stimuli as by watching male stimuli, even though they prefer having sex with men rather than women. In fact, the large majority of women in contemporary Western societies have sex exclusively with men, said Meredith Chivers, a Ph.D. candidate in clinical psychology at Northwestern University and a psychology intern at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health and the studys first author. But I have long suspected that womens sexuality is very different from mens, and this study scientifically demonstrates one way this is so. The studys results mesh with current research showing that womens sexuality demonstrates increased flexibility relative to men in other areas besides sexual orientation, according to Chivers. Taken together, these results suggest that womens sexuality differs from men and emphasize the need for researchers to develop a model of the development and organization of female sexuality independent from models of male sexuality, she said. The studys four authors include Bailey and three graduate students in Northwesterns psychology department, Chivers, Gerulf Rieger and Elizabeth Latty. Since most women seem capable of sexual arousal to both sexes, why do they choose one or the other? Bailey asked. Probably for reasons other than sexual arousal. Sexual arousal is the emotional and physical response to sexual stimuli, including erotica or actual people. It has been known since the early 1960s that homosexual and heterosexual men respond in specific but opposite ways to sexual stimuli depicting men and women. Films provoke the greatest sexual response, and films of men having sex with men or of women having sex with women provoke the largest differences between homosexual and heterosexual men. That is because the same-sex films offer clear-cut results, whereas watching heterosexual sex could be exciting to both homosexual and heterosexual men, but for different reasons. Typically, men experience genital arousal and psychological sexual arousal when they watch films depicting their preferred sex, but not when they watch films depicting the other sex. Mens specific pattern of sexual arousal is such a reliable fact that genital arousal can be used to assess mens sexual preferences. Even gay men who deny their own homosexuality will become more sexually aroused by male sexual stimuli than by female stimuli. The fact that womens sexual arousal patterns are not all predicted by their sexual orientations suggests that mens and womens minds and brains are very different, Bailey said. To rule out the possibility that the differences between mens and womens genital sexual arousal patterns
Re: Collected thoughs on Iraq
Many of them are relatively low level. Brahmini is trying to regain at least some of the goodwill of Sunnis who feel completely shut out of post-Saddam Iraq. This needs to be done carefully, but the Sunnis have to see that they have a stake in a peaceful, integrated Iraq. I think one way to look at this situation is to look at the Allied efforts at de-Nazification in post-war Germany. Despite the fact that the Nazis and many party officials were at least accused of crimes, some of these party officials were later running the post-war government, because there was a serious and significant lack of qualitified civilian administrators. Further, just because somone was a part of the Nazi party does not neccessarily mean that they were a rabid Nazi either; some at least joined because that was the only way to have a career in politics or government, or to advance further within the government apparatus. I think the same thing can be said about the Ba'athists as well. Damon. -- Tom Beck my LiveJournal: http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/ New York (Football) Giants: http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/Go_Big_Blue/ _The Universal Baseball Association, J. Henry Waugh, Prop._ Fan Club: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/j_henry_waugh/ I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never thought I'd see the last. - Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
The old Showtime Stargate site
Internet acquaintances, Earthlings, Countrymen (and women), lend me your eyes... Just out of curiosity, were any of you members of the old Showtime Stargate site? The one that was advertised at the end of the 'old' episodes? -Travis MCT Edmunds _ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Collected thoughs on Iraq
At 02:38 PM 4/27/04, Dan Minette wrote in part: ...snip... Further, with mosques, schools, and hospitals being used as bases, we will have the horrid choice of either going after these buildings, or letting them stand as bases for the insurgents. This is especially true with the Shrine of Ali in Najaf. I agree that the rules of war allow for attacks on mosques if they are used for military purposes, but I think it highly likely that we would be blamed for any damage. This is a classic double bind, which has always been one of my nightmare situations. So what do you think now that our troops have returned fire when someone was firing at them from a minaret? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
life decision
I know I'll have to make this choice on my own. Just wondering what I might be missing. My company has an opening at another location. Right now I am at the HQ: promotions can come quickly, many other chances for job opportunities. I live ten miles from the job, but it takes me 30 minutes to drive. If they get the light rail working that could be reduced to 15 minutes, but obviously I would be on their schedule. I'm in a bigger city with all the usual pros and cons. The other job is in a remote location, but it's near my hometown. Well, it's at least 60 miles from the hometown, 75 minutes driving. There are probably car pools but I can't assume that. I just checked mapquest, they want me to cross a bridge that was demolished 27 years ago. It's not even on the map, just the path crossing the river. I'd have to take a pay cut, lose the raise/promotion that took me 18 months to get. I don't know what kind of promotion path I could follow up there. There's no guarantee I would have a place to retire from and I have another 30 - 35 years to go. I'm reasonably confident that my current job will still be available that long. Some things are cheaper. My current house would only be worth 1/6 - 1/3 up there. I could rent a house for 1/4 my mortgage. Taxes are higher. Most basic services cost more. My current house needs repairs to make it sellable; I would feel lucky if I got out without owing money. The last consideration would be mating. There are more chances here, but since my batting average hovers at zero I can't count it as a minus. Why would I do it? There are plenty of people who leave a place and never look back. Just as many who wish they could leave but got trapped. I'm the one who wishes he never left. I had to because I was making no money; I couldn't live my lifestyle even in a place that was so cheap. It's what I consider my home. There were at least seven events since January that I would have attended, but didn't because of the drive up there. There are plenty of events that I always attended; at least ten weekends that I must drive up there for. If I lived there, I can think of only two times a year I would travel back here for something. Not that events are everything. There are other things I like to do. Up there I could walk out my door and be hiking in ten minutes; down here it might take an hour. Sure I may be the only fat man wearing spandex and riding a bicycle in town but I can handle that stigma. I don't care about the city cultural advantages; I like seeing bands and museums but I don't live for them. I'm not saying I would do this, but there are plenty of civic duties I could do up there. I don't want this to sound egotistical but I'd be a big fish in a small pond. Enough for now. I got some things to think over. Kevin T. - VRWLC Wings score! Flames score twice ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Death to JPEG
On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 10:00:01AM +1000, Russell Chapman wrote: The format was developed by JPEG, which is a part of the ISO. The ISO is unlikely to want to impose a patent (and probably *can't* based on its legal structure alone). Its not the ISO, it is a company called Forgent. See the post I already made on the subject, with a link. -- Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: life decision
Kevin wrote: I know I'll have to make this choice on my own. Just wondering what I might be missing. Since you're single, I'd say go with your heart on this one. It's a much tougher decision if you've got mouths to feed. As for the o-fer, maybe it's _because_ of the place and the mentality of the people there. And if you're moving within the company, you'll probably be able to go back if it doesn't work out though there will probably be a price to pay. Whatever you choose, good luck! Wings score! Flames score twice How 'bout them Sharks! -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Collected thoughs on Iraq
Dan wrote: Given this, I would argue that public opinion is very volatile. It can easily swing against the US. The natural tendency is against the US, and it takes a tremendous amount of work to slow the slide in that direction. The longer we are in control, the more difficult it will beespecially if we do not guarantee security for the people. I've been wondering about the effacacy of polls in a place like Iraq. These are people that are used to give the correct answers to questions with out regard to how they really feel, don't you think that there is at least some segment of the population that responds in this manner even if promised anonymity? -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: March for Women's Lives
Kneem wrote: You aren't very bright are you. Actually, I'm leaning toward the caricature theory after his most recent posts. I'm very curious as to who he really is. I thought Erik hinted that he and John Doe were the same person early on, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Whoever he is, he seems to be enjoying himself immensely. As far as winning though, I would think that unless he's convinced anyone that all poor people deserve their fate or that we can solve our problems by nuking them or that women are worthless, or that corporations are inherently honest, or that Bush gets it, I think he's got a ways to go yet. -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Collected thoughs on Iraq
- Original Message - From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: Re: Collected thoughs on Iraq At 02:38 PM 4/27/04, Dan Minette wrote in part: ...snip... Further, with mosques, schools, and hospitals being used as bases, we will have the horrid choice of either going after these buildings, or letting them stand as bases for the insurgents. This is especially true with the Shrine of Ali in Najaf. I agree that the rules of war allow for attacks on mosques if they are used for military purposes, but I think it highly likely that we would be blamed for any damage. This is a classic double bind, which has always been one of my nightmare situations. So what do you think now that our troops have returned fire when someone was firing at them from a minaret? I betcha reports of Clear evidence that the US is anti-Islam will be made from this occurance. If not on Al-Jazeera, then at least by word of mouth. At the same time, I don't think we could have done much else. We cannot give gunmen multiple sites from which they can shoot at our troops. But, at the holiest sites, I think we have no choice the other way. We damage the main shrine, and we lose most of the population. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: does time exist
Brad said: But isn't our intuition wrong--or perhaps it would be better to say that our intuition does not prepare us to study quantum mechanics and relativity? It's true that brains that have our intuitions of space and time tend to help the selfish genes that program them replicate themselves. But fitness is not the same thing as truth... Indeed not. But, so far as I can tell, Dan isn't saying that we have intuitions about time that may or may not be correct, but that time *exists* because we have intuitions. I presume he means that something in our brain organises sense impressions into a spatial and temporal structure. I don't doubt that this occurs, but like you I think that this structuring only gives us an approximation to what's out there in nature. Furthermore, I think that it presupposes at least some kind of temporal structure (although perhaps I could be convinced that what looks like a temporal structure is in fact a constraint on spatial patterns in some kind of universe without time, or without temporal flow [as, indeed, the universes in some theories of quantum gravity might be, what with the vanishing of the Hamiltonian and all]). Rich I don't know what it means to say that time flows given the large number of events that have spacelike and not timelike separations. The fact that every electron-photon coupling looks the same in some sense (whether it is an electron emits a photon and recoils, an electron and a position meet and annihilate each other and their energy is transformed into photons, or a photon breaks apart into an electron and a position) is mother nature telling us something. What mother nature is telling us is not clear to me, however... -- Yours, Brad DeLong ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Collected thoughs on Iraq
From: Doug Pensinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dan wrote: Given this, I would argue that public opinion is very volatile. It can easily swing against the US. The natural tendency is against the US, and it takes a tremendous amount of work to slow the slide in that direction. The longer we are in control, the more difficult it will beespecially if we do not guarantee security for the people. I've been wondering about the effacacy of polls in a place like Iraq. These are people that are used to give the correct answers to questions with out regard to how they really feel, don't you think that there is at least some segment of the population that responds in this manner even if promised anonymity? -- Doug I posted this a while back, but it got lost in a black hole. I agree, how much should we trust the polls in Iraq? I am not sure that people who have spent 30 years under the boot of a brutal dictator would make good poll subjects. Did Iraq have an independent free media? Not that I recall. And were the people used to freedom of expression without fear of consequences? Again, I don't think they were (unless have your scallops electrified is not a consequence). So, if some guy comes up to you in the street, perhaps from a media company (or so his shirt proclaims) and as you look over his shoulder, you see a humvee full of US Marines drive by, and he asks you Do you like America, is life better now, perhaps you might pause for a moment... and say Yes, we love Americans, we love America, life is much better and perhaps you may not really mean it. Even worse if they called you, as they would have your phone number and could pop round and drag the kids off for a bit of rehab any time they liked. This is largely the fault of Saddams regime, and what it has done to the people of Iraq, not a criticism of America, or the media. That and the fact that they have just been invaded, and no matter how honourable the intentions of the invaders may be, I would think thay may be a little sceptical while the invaders tanks are still in the streets. I use the world invader, feel free to replace it with liberator if you wish. I think, given 30 years of terror and propaganda, the Iraqis could be forgiven for being a little unsure. So, in summary, I don't trust the polls that have been done. I don't think polling an invaded country, especially a former police state, and asking them if they love their invaders and want them to stay is a good way of getting unbiased results. None of this is saying that it is or is better or worse btw, just that I don't trust the polls etc, and think that arguments based on them as proof of the success of the American strategy are flawed. It may be a great success, I hope it is, but polls don't prove it. When Iraqi has a stable democratic government, and a year or two of peace, lets ask them then. And, given those two pretexts, I have no doubt that they will answer yes. And I will believe them. Andrew ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
