Re: fight hte evil of price discrimination
At 10:23 PM 7/31/2003 -0400, you wrote: Except, when a right winger makes an innocuous statement and the left wing media huffs and puffs until they blow the issue up into whatever slight they feel gets them the best press. So liberals aren't perfect. Never said they are. Although I bet some of the statements you characterize as innocuous are actually more pernicious than you'd like to admit. Tom Beck If you are going to make damning statements painting conservatives with a broad brush, then I'll do the same with liberals. But of course you can't stop, you have to bet that my judgement of some statements is not without bias. Physician, heal thyself. Kevin T. - VRWC ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: fight hte evil of price discrimination
Let's see Tom condemn Katha Pollit once in a while. I'm not sure who she is, sorry. When Noam Chomsky says things equally bad - or worse - our liberal friends like Tom tell us that even criticizing them is censorship. I haven't said anything about him here, and I don't have to please you, but I think he's an extremist and I definitely don't agree with much of what he writes. Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: fight hte evil of price discrimination
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except, when a right winger makes an innocuous statement and the left wing media huffs and puffs until they blow the issue up into whatever slight they feel gets them the best press. Kevin T. - VRWC _Also_ when a right-winger - like Coulter or Robertson - says something offensive or insane, it's the _right_ that goes after them. Coulter has been attacked in National Review. Andrew Sullivan led the attack on Pat Robertson. The right at least makes some effort to reject its extremists. Let's see Tom condemn Katha Pollit once in a while. Who? Never heard of him. Coulter also gets super-star privledges on faux news where extremist right-wing 'news' people defend her. When Noam Chomsky says things equally bad - or worse - our liberal friends like Tom tell us that even criticizing them is censorship. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: fight hte evil of price discrimination
Russell Chapman wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the Polish reputation for stupidity - I have no clue whence it originates. It's certainly not international - we never have Pole/Polack/Polish jokes, but all the same jokes refer to Irish folk. Maybe somewhere in the world a bunch of friends are sitting around talking about the Aussie terrorist burning his lips blowing up the bus, or sinking an Aussie submarine by knocking on the door... I'm not sure about that. What both the Poles in the US and the Irish in Australia have in common is that both groups came to the new country and were a looked-down-upon minority when they arrived. Maybe that has more to do with it than anything else. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: fight hte evil of price discrimination
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's see Tom condemn Katha Pollit once in a while. I'm not sure who she is, sorry. When Noam Chomsky says things equally bad - or worse - our liberal friends like Tom tell us that even criticizing them is censorship. I haven't said anything about him here, and I don't have to please you, but I think he's an extremist and I definitely don't agree with much of what he writes. I've spent time around people who think he is IT, and they're further out to the left than Tom seems to be. I haven't actually read anything of his, just gotten various impressions from people around me who have, and I'm not sure I want to spend much time reading him in the next, say, 5 years. What Tom just said just reinforces that thought. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: fight hte evil of price discrimination
--- The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jul2003/tc20030731_6139_tc073.htm PRIVACY MATTERS By Jane Black Sharper Tools for Discriminatory Pricing Expert Andrew Odlyzko explains how tech advances are making it much easier to charge one price for you and another for your neighbor Why do corporations want your personal data? The simple answer, according to Andrew Odlyzko, the director of the University of Minnesota's Digital Technology Center, is that such information is the key to a holy grail of capitalism: discriminatory pricing. Economic theory posits that price discrimination -- where companies charge individuals based on their ability to pay and their value as a customer -- is desirable since it makes trade more efficient. Yet it rankles consumers, who perceive differential pricing as unfair. The fact that business travelers, whose corporations can arguably afford it, pay more for airline seats than a vacationer has made air travel more popular and routine. At the same time, the price discrimination that charges two people different prices for the same class of service infuriates those who pay more. snipped rest And on the other hand, there's charging more to the less-fortunate: http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~33~1527009,00.html ...Uninsured patients don't get the same discounts hospitals give to managed-care plans, and these patients often pay far more for the same medical care. The Denver Post reported in January that uninsured patients in the city can pay up to four times as much for the same services... With medical insurance costs prohibitive to so many of the working poor, they're caught between sacrificing to pay the premiums, or paying out the wazoo if they have to be hospitalized (or are taken to the ER). The self-insured also pay much higher prices: http://www.businessword.com/pMachine/comments/476_0_1_0_C/ Debbi who doesn't have the answers, but would start with educating people (beginning in elementary school) with the hazards associated with certain lifestyle choices - and gradually making people responsible for their own folly -- we could ~ halve the chronic disease burden with lifestyle changes __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: fight hte evil of price discrimination
but would start with educating people (beginning in elementary school) with the hazards associated with certain lifestyle choices - and gradually making people responsible for their own folly -- we could ~ halve the chronic disease burden with lifestyle changes But that would go against the conservative ethos that people are 100% responsible for each and every thing that happens to them in their life and that no one can or should do anything about it, except to sneer at and lecture them if and when they make choices that the conservatives don't happen to agree with. Oh, and to make all of us pray to Jesus Christ even if we don't want to - conservatives are very big on that. And before any of the conservatives on this list start to sputter and huff and puff that I'm mischaracterizing them - yes. I am. Not every conservative acts like I pretend they do above. Big deal. Enough do that I don't think I'm being any more unfair than, oh, say, Ann Coulter or any of the sneering lecturing pigs on Fox News Channel. Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: fight hte evil of price discrimination
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And before any of the conservatives on this list start to sputter and huff and puff that I'm mischaracterizing them - yes. I am. Not every conservative acts like I pretend they do above. Big deal. Enough do that I don't think I'm being any more unfair than, oh, say, Ann Coulter or any of the sneering lecturing pigs on Fox News Channel. Hey! Some of them's *hogs*, not *pigs*! ;) Seriously, the ones that get the most attention seem to be more extreme one way or another. That's probably true for any group that gets stereotyped. Except maybe Poles. I've never met a Pole anywhere close to being as stupid as all the jokes imply. (Where'd they get that reputation, anyway?) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: fight hte evil of price discrimination
Seriously, the ones that get the most attention seem to be more extreme one way or another. That's probably true for any group that gets stereotyped. Except maybe Poles. I've never met a Pole anywhere close to being as stupid as all the jokes imply. (Where'd they get that reputation, anyway?) Except, when an extreme right-winger goes ballistic, nobody but a few dumb liberals notice. When an extreme leftist mouths off, the right wing media stooges spew it all over the place like this is representative of all mainstream moderate liberals and progressives. Rush Limbaugh is notorious for taking some deranged wacko feminist and pretending that she speaks for all feminists everywhere everywhen. And nobody ever calls him or them on this disgusting practice. As for the Polish reputation for stupidity - I have no clue whence it originates. Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: fight hte evil of price discrimination
At 09:38 PM 7/31/2003 -0400, you wrote: Seriously, the ones that get the most attention seem to be more extreme one way or another. That's probably true for any group that gets stereotyped. Except maybe Poles. I've never met a Pole anywhere close to being as stupid as all the jokes imply. (Where'd they get that reputation, anyway?) Except, when an extreme right-winger goes ballistic, nobody but a few dumb liberals notice. When an extreme leftist mouths off, the right wing media stooges spew it all over the place like this is representative of all mainstream moderate liberals and progressives. Rush Limbaugh is notorious for taking some deranged wacko feminist and pretending that she speaks for all feminists everywhere everywhen. And nobody ever calls him or them on this disgusting practice. As for the Polish reputation for stupidity - I have no clue whence it originates. Tom Beck Except, when a right winger makes an innocuous statement and the left wing media huffs and puffs until they blow the issue up into whatever slight they feel gets them the best press. Kevin T. - VRWC ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: fight hte evil of price discrimination
Except, when a right winger makes an innocuous statement and the left wing media huffs and puffs until they blow the issue up into whatever slight they feel gets them the best press. So liberals aren't perfect. Never said they are. Although I bet some of the statements you characterize as innocuous are actually more pernicious than you'd like to admit. Tom Beck www.prydonians.org www.mercerjewishsingles.org I always knew I'd see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed I'd see the last. - Dr Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: fight hte evil of price discrimination
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the Polish reputation for stupidity - I have no clue whence it originates. It's certainly not international - we never have Pole/Polack/Polish jokes, but all the same jokes refer to Irish folk. Maybe somewhere in the world a bunch of friends are sitting around talking about the Aussie terrorist burning his lips blowing up the bus, or sinking an Aussie submarine by knocking on the door... Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: fight hte evil of price discrimination
--- Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except, when a right winger makes an innocuous statement and the left wing media huffs and puffs until they blow the issue up into whatever slight they feel gets them the best press. Kevin T. - VRWC _Also_ when a right-winger - like Coulter or Robertson - says something offensive or insane, it's the _right_ that goes after them. Coulter has been attacked in National Review. Andrew Sullivan led the attack on Pat Robertson. The right at least makes some effort to reject its extremists. Let's see Tom condemn Katha Pollit once in a while. When Noam Chomsky says things equally bad - or worse - our liberal friends like Tom tell us that even criticizing them is censorship. = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freedom is not free http://www.mukunda.blogspot.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
