Re: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?

[Alan Winston At Slac]

Yes it is. But lots of people don't do it.  

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> On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Maia McCormick  wrote:
> 
> This is maybe a silly question, but in an allemande to a star promenade, is
> it assumed that the allemanders will keep their allemande until they've
> brought the promenade-ee across the set?
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Eric Black  wrote:
>> 
>> At 12:48 PM -0700 10/3/13, Alan Winston wrote:
>> 
>>> Not to hijack this completely, but dancing a man's role in a
>>> men-allemande star promenade is also often really unsatisfying. Something
>>> like 20% of the men I run into line (in the SF Bay Area) just let go of me
>>> as soon as they've picked up their partner;  70% hold on but stop giving
>>> weight either immediately or before the promenade part is omplete, and it's
>>> no more than 10% who give me a satisfying connection all through the
>>> promenade and a positive push off at the right time.
>>> 
>>> (And in star promenades with the neighbor lady, I find that about half of
>>> them step ahead.  Good star promenade, according to me, is like this
>>> }
>>> {
>>> and what happens half the time is more like this
>>> Z
>>> 
>>> I find them pretty frustrating to do most of the time, and wonderful when
>>> they work.)
>>> 
>>> -- Alan
>> 
>> 
>> Two important points I was taught long ago (~1982) by Sandy Bradley:
>>  - star promenade is an ARC, not "straight across".  The outside person
>>MUST walk the outside of a circle, and not just head straight across.
>> 
>>  - the outside person needs to match timing and velocity exactly as the
>>allemander comes to pick them up.  The image was docking with the Space
>>Station.  Don't be early, and don't be late.  Be moving exactly at the
>>right speed exactly as the rotating station comes around so you can
>>dock.
>> 
>>And then walk in an arc!
>> 
>> I sometimes say that if the outside person starts out early so that the
>> allemander is empty-armed, it's like taking a shower with your socks on.
>> You might accomplish your goal OK, but it's completely unsatisfying.
>> 
>> -Eric
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Re: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?

[Eric Black]

At 11:16 PM -0400 10/3/13, Maia McCormick wrote:

This is maybe a silly question, but in an allemande to a star promenade, is
it assumed that the allemanders will keep their allemande until they've
brought the promenade-ee across the set?



I would think yes, otherwise it's an allemande or pull-by into a plain
old promenade.  The "Star" in the Star Promenade is the left hands-across
star with just two people.

-Eric

Re: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?

[Maia McCormick]

This is maybe a silly question, but in an allemande to a star promenade, is
it assumed that the allemanders will keep their allemande until they've
brought the promenade-ee across the set?


On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Eric Black  wrote:

> At 12:48 PM -0700 10/3/13, Alan Winston wrote:
>
>> Not to hijack this completely, but dancing a man's role in a
>> men-allemande star promenade is also often really unsatisfying. Something
>> like 20% of the men I run into line (in the SF Bay Area) just let go of me
>> as soon as they've picked up their partner;  70% hold on but stop giving
>> weight either immediately or before the promenade part is omplete, and it's
>> no more than 10% who give me a satisfying connection all through the
>> promenade and a positive push off at the right time.
>>
>> (And in star promenades with the neighbor lady, I find that about half of
>> them step ahead.  Good star promenade, according to me, is like this
>> }
>> {
>> and what happens half the time is more like this
>> Z
>>
>> I find them pretty frustrating to do most of the time, and wonderful when
>> they work.)
>>
>> -- Alan
>>
>
>
> Two important points I was taught long ago (~1982) by Sandy Bradley:
>   - star promenade is an ARC, not "straight across".  The outside person
> MUST walk the outside of a circle, and not just head straight across.
>
>   - the outside person needs to match timing and velocity exactly as the
> allemander comes to pick them up.  The image was docking with the Space
> Station.  Don't be early, and don't be late.  Be moving exactly at the
> right speed exactly as the rotating station comes around so you can
> dock.
>
> And then walk in an arc!
>
> I sometimes say that if the outside person starts out early so that the
> allemander is empty-armed, it's like taking a shower with your socks on.
> You might accomplish your goal OK, but it's completely unsatisfying.
>
> -Eric
>
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Re: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?

[Eric Black]

At 12:48 PM -0700 10/3/13, Alan Winston wrote:
Not to hijack this completely, but dancing a man's role in a 
men-allemande star promenade is also often really unsatisfying. 
Something like 20% of the men I run into line (in the SF Bay Area) 
just let go of me as soon as they've picked up their partner;  70% 
hold on but stop giving weight either immediately or before the 
promenade part is omplete, and it's no more than 10% who give me a 
satisfying connection all through the promenade and a positive push 
off at the right time.


(And in star promenades with the neighbor lady, I find that about 
half of them step ahead.  Good star promenade, according to me, is 
like this

}
{
and what happens half the time is more like this
Z

I find them pretty frustrating to do most of the time, and wonderful 
when they work.)


-- Alan



Two important points I was taught long ago (~1982) by Sandy Bradley:
  - star promenade is an ARC, not "straight across".  The outside person
MUST walk the outside of a circle, and not just head straight across.

  - the outside person needs to match timing and velocity exactly as the
allemander comes to pick them up.  The image was docking with the Space
Station.  Don't be early, and don't be late.  Be moving exactly at the
right speed exactly as the rotating station comes around so you can
dock.

And then walk in an arc!

I sometimes say that if the outside person starts out early so that the
allemander is empty-armed, it's like taking a shower with your socks on.
You might accomplish your goal OK, but it's completely unsatisfying.

-Eric

Re: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?

[Erik Hoffman]

Hi All,

There Is No Way to Peace; Peace Is the Way, was originally written as 
hand hold star promenades.  I think Chart Guthrie told me about using 
elbow turns, and it's been that way for me ever since.  Might have been 
someone else...  It does make the star promenades a bit tighter and the 
sharing of weight more likely.  So, yes, Folk Process indeed!


And, I do share the opinion that good weight on a star promenade is 
often not achieved...


~erik hoffman
oakland, ca


On 10/3/2013 1:51 PM, Grant Goodyear wrote:

On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Jack Mitchell wrote:


I believe that elbow turns were the original version for that particular
dance -- at least they were in the version I collected something like 10
years ago.


The Folk process at work

The elbow turns are in the version on Erik's website:
http://www.erikhoffman.com/peace.html

I've been calling that dance since at least 2000 or so, and my copy (taken
from Erik's "Contra Comments" book, if I remember correctly), has hand
allemandes instead.  I certainly danced it to Erik's calling in 1997-1999,
and I don't recall the elbow turns back then, but it's certainly possible
that it did, and I just transcribed the dance incorrectly.

In any event, I've always had great success with it using hand allenmandes.

Re: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?

[Grant Goodyear]

On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Jack Mitchell wrote:

> I believe that elbow turns were the original version for that particular
> dance -- at least they were in the version I collected something like 10
> years ago.


The Folk process at work

The elbow turns are in the version on Erik's website:
http://www.erikhoffman.com/peace.html

I've been calling that dance since at least 2000 or so, and my copy (taken
from Erik's "Contra Comments" book, if I remember correctly), has hand
allemandes instead.  I certainly danced it to Erik's calling in 1997-1999,
and I don't recall the elbow turns back then, but it's certainly possible
that it did, and I just transcribed the dance incorrectly.

In any event, I've always had great success with it using hand allenmandes.


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Re: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?

[Jack Mitchell]

I believe that elbow turns were the original version for that particular 
dance -- at least they were in the version I collected something like 10 
years ago.  The last time I called it I suggested forearm to forearm 
turns, which keep things a bit tighter, make for a somewhat more solid 
"frame" for the star promenade and still allow the push off (that's also 
what I generally offer to the next gent when I'm dancing it.  Much more 
satisfying connection for me and it seems to do a better job of keeping 
the whole thing turning as a unit.

On 10/3/2013 4:27 PM, Andrea Nettleton wrote:

Carol Ormand call There Is No Way To Peace, Peace Is The Way with elbow turns.  
You can't push off, but the connection does help you sling your could around 
and keeps things tight.  What if we always called Star Promenades like that?
Andrea

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On Oct 3, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Aaron Redfern  wrote:

Alan, I just had a moment of revelation with regard to the inside pair
pushing off each other into the butterfly whirl, and I'll see if I can pull
it off in the future.  I think the main problem, though, is that there's
never enough room in the line for proper execution.  As an allemanding
gent, my primary concern is usually to not slam my partner/neighbor into
the other pair coming at us diagonally from the next hands four.


On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Alan Winston wrote:


Not to hijack this completely, but dancing a man's role in a men-allemande
star promenade is also often really unsatisfying.  Something like 20% of
the men I run into line (in the SF Bay Area) just let go of me as soon as
they've picked up their partner;  70% hold on but stop giving weight either
immediately or before the promenade part is omplete, and it's no more than
10% who give me a satisfying connection all through the promenade and a
positive push off at the right time.

(And in star promenades with the neighbor lady, I find that about half of
them step ahead.  Good star promenade, according to me, is like this
}
{
and what happens half the time is more like this
Z

I find them pretty frustrating to do most of the time, and wonderful when
they work.)

-- Alan




On 10/3/2013 11:52 AM, Andrea Nettleton wrote:

I'll just put this out there, because a ladies allemande to star
promenade was called just weeks ago in Atlanta: in a line of 20 couples,
only two other ladies gave me the right weight to satisfyingly whirl.  All
the gents and we three ladies really did not enjoy the lameness of it.  And
no, it was not a line packed with newbies.  I have had similar issues
before.  Women often don't weight an allemande enough, let alone do things
like push off to twirl out.  So if you write it into the dance, the only
time it will likely be well danced in my region is at festivals.  I doubt
my experience is singular.  A groan and much chatter arose from the floor
as we realized what was about to happen.
Andrea

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On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Donna Hunt  wrote:

I wouldn't say it was "gender swappery".
The oldest dance I can recall is the square dance Texas Star which has
the "men turn out and women turn in to make that Texas Star again".  The
Texas Star is a four couple star Promenade.

There are several contemporary Contras that have ladies allemande to
initiate a star promenade, so you're in good company.  Happy composing...



Donna Hunt





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Subject: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?


Came up against this question while writing a dance the other day: women
leading men into a star promenade and butterfly whirl? Does this happen?
Are there compelling reasons for me not write it into a dance, or would
it
be a fun bit of genderswappery? (I imagine that as far as genderswappery
goes, it's still less confusing for all involved than a gent's chain...)

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Re: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?

[Andrea Nettleton]

Carol Ormand call There Is No Way To Peace, Peace Is The Way with elbow turns.  
You can't push off, but the connection does help you sling your could around 
and keeps things tight.  What if we always called Star Promenades like that?
Andrea 

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> On Oct 3, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Aaron Redfern  wrote:
> 
> Alan, I just had a moment of revelation with regard to the inside pair
> pushing off each other into the butterfly whirl, and I'll see if I can pull
> it off in the future.  I think the main problem, though, is that there's
> never enough room in the line for proper execution.  As an allemanding
> gent, my primary concern is usually to not slam my partner/neighbor into
> the other pair coming at us diagonally from the next hands four.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Alan Winston wrote:
> 
>> Not to hijack this completely, but dancing a man's role in a men-allemande
>> star promenade is also often really unsatisfying.  Something like 20% of
>> the men I run into line (in the SF Bay Area) just let go of me as soon as
>> they've picked up their partner;  70% hold on but stop giving weight either
>> immediately or before the promenade part is omplete, and it's no more than
>> 10% who give me a satisfying connection all through the promenade and a
>> positive push off at the right time.
>> 
>> (And in star promenades with the neighbor lady, I find that about half of
>> them step ahead.  Good star promenade, according to me, is like this
>> }
>> {
>> and what happens half the time is more like this
>> Z
>> 
>> I find them pretty frustrating to do most of the time, and wonderful when
>> they work.)
>> 
>> -- Alan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/3/2013 11:52 AM, Andrea Nettleton wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'll just put this out there, because a ladies allemande to star
>>> promenade was called just weeks ago in Atlanta: in a line of 20 couples,
>>> only two other ladies gave me the right weight to satisfyingly whirl.  All
>>> the gents and we three ladies really did not enjoy the lameness of it.  And
>>> no, it was not a line packed with newbies.  I have had similar issues
>>> before.  Women often don't weight an allemande enough, let alone do things
>>> like push off to twirl out.  So if you write it into the dance, the only
>>> time it will likely be well danced in my region is at festivals.  I doubt
>>> my experience is singular.  A groan and much chatter arose from the floor
>>> as we realized what was about to happen.
>>> Andrea
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask
>>> 
 On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Donna Hunt  wrote:
 
 I wouldn't say it was "gender swappery".
 The oldest dance I can recall is the square dance Texas Star which has
 the "men turn out and women turn in to make that Texas Star again".  The
 Texas Star is a four couple star Promenade.
 
 There are several contemporary Contras that have ladies allemande to
 initiate a star promenade, so you're in good company.  Happy composing...
 
 
 
 Donna Hunt
 
 
 
 
 
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 Sent: Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:05 am
 Subject: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?
 
 
 Came up against this question while writing a dance the other day: women
 leading men into a star promenade and butterfly whirl? Does this happen?
 Are there compelling reasons for me not write it into a dance, or would
 it
 be a fun bit of genderswappery? (I imagine that as far as genderswappery
 goes, it's still less confusing for all involved than a gent's chain...)
 
 Cheers,
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Re: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?

[Aahz Maruch]

On Thu, Oct 03, 2013, Aaron Redfern wrote:
>
> Alan, I just had a moment of revelation with regard to the inside
> pair pushing off each other into the butterfly whirl, and I'll see if
> I can pull it off in the future.  I think the main problem, though,
> is that there's never enough room in the line for proper execution.
> As an allemanding gent, my primary concern is usually to not slam my
> partner/neighbor into the other pair coming at us diagonally from the
> next hands four.

Good point, plus I find that I'm mostly worrying about getting to and
doing the whirlaround fast enough to get my partner to the next move.
(Doesn't help when my partner makes me drag zir into the star promenade
instead of stepping forward.)
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Re: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?

[Aaron Redfern]

Alan, I just had a moment of revelation with regard to the inside pair
pushing off each other into the butterfly whirl, and I'll see if I can pull
it off in the future.  I think the main problem, though, is that there's
never enough room in the line for proper execution.  As an allemanding
gent, my primary concern is usually to not slam my partner/neighbor into
the other pair coming at us diagonally from the next hands four.


On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Alan Winston wrote:

> Not to hijack this completely, but dancing a man's role in a men-allemande
> star promenade is also often really unsatisfying.  Something like 20% of
> the men I run into line (in the SF Bay Area) just let go of me as soon as
> they've picked up their partner;  70% hold on but stop giving weight either
> immediately or before the promenade part is omplete, and it's no more than
> 10% who give me a satisfying connection all through the promenade and a
> positive push off at the right time.
>
> (And in star promenades with the neighbor lady, I find that about half of
> them step ahead.  Good star promenade, according to me, is like this
> }
> {
> and what happens half the time is more like this
> Z
>
> I find them pretty frustrating to do most of the time, and wonderful when
> they work.)
>
> -- Alan
>
>
>
> On 10/3/2013 11:52 AM, Andrea Nettleton wrote:
>
>> I'll just put this out there, because a ladies allemande to star
>> promenade was called just weeks ago in Atlanta: in a line of 20 couples,
>> only two other ladies gave me the right weight to satisfyingly whirl.  All
>> the gents and we three ladies really did not enjoy the lameness of it.  And
>> no, it was not a line packed with newbies.  I have had similar issues
>> before.  Women often don't weight an allemande enough, let alone do things
>> like push off to twirl out.  So if you write it into the dance, the only
>> time it will likely be well danced in my region is at festivals.  I doubt
>> my experience is singular.  A groan and much chatter arose from the floor
>> as we realized what was about to happen.
>> Andrea
>>
>> Sent from my iOnlypretendtomultitask
>>
>>  On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Donna Hunt  wrote:
>>>
>>> I wouldn't say it was "gender swappery".
>>> The oldest dance I can recall is the square dance Texas Star which has
>>> the "men turn out and women turn in to make that Texas Star again".  The
>>> Texas Star is a four couple star Promenade.
>>>
>>> There are several contemporary Contras that have ladies allemande to
>>> initiate a star promenade, so you're in good company.  Happy composing...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Donna Hunt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: Maia McCormick 
>>> To: Caller's discussion list 
>>> Sent: Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:05 am
>>> Subject: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?
>>>
>>>
>>> Came up against this question while writing a dance the other day: women
>>> leading men into a star promenade and butterfly whirl? Does this happen?
>>> Are there compelling reasons for me not write it into a dance, or would
>>> it
>>> be a fun bit of genderswappery? (I imagine that as far as genderswappery
>>> goes, it's still less confusing for all involved than a gent's chain...)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
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Re: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?

[Alan Winston]

Not to hijack this completely, but dancing a man's role in a 
men-allemande star promenade is also often really unsatisfying.  
Something like 20% of the men I run into line (in the SF Bay Area) just 
let go of me as soon as they've picked up their partner;  70% hold on 
but stop giving weight either immediately or before the promenade part 
is omplete, and it's no more than 10% who give me a satisfying 
connection all through the promenade and a positive push off at the 
right time.


(And in star promenades with the neighbor lady, I find that about half 
of them step ahead.  Good star promenade, according to me, is like this

}
{
and what happens half the time is more like this
Z

I find them pretty frustrating to do most of the time, and wonderful 
when they work.)


-- Alan


On 10/3/2013 11:52 AM, Andrea Nettleton wrote:

I'll just put this out there, because a ladies allemande to star promenade was 
called just weeks ago in Atlanta: in a line of 20 couples, only two other 
ladies gave me the right weight to satisfyingly whirl.  All the gents and we 
three ladies really did not enjoy the lameness of it.  And no, it was not a 
line packed with newbies.  I have had similar issues before.  Women often don't 
weight an allemande enough, let alone do things like push off to twirl out.  So 
if you write it into the dance, the only time it will likely be well danced in 
my region is at festivals.  I doubt my experience is singular.  A groan and 
much chatter arose from the floor as we realized what was about to happen.
Andrea

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On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Donna Hunt  wrote:

I wouldn't say it was "gender swappery".
The oldest dance I can recall is the square dance Texas Star which has the "men turn 
out and women turn in to make that Texas Star again".  The Texas Star is a four 
couple star Promenade.

There are several contemporary Contras that have ladies allemande to initiate a 
star promenade, so you're in good company.  Happy composing...



Donna Hunt





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Subject: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?


Came up against this question while writing a dance the other day: women
leading men into a star promenade and butterfly whirl? Does this happen?
Are there compelling reasons for me not write it into a dance, or would it
be a fun bit of genderswappery? (I imagine that as far as genderswappery
goes, it's still less confusing for all involved than a gent's chain...)

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Re: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?

[Andrea Nettleton]

I'll just put this out there, because a ladies allemande to star promenade was 
called just weeks ago in Atlanta: in a line of 20 couples, only two other 
ladies gave me the right weight to satisfyingly whirl.  All the gents and we 
three ladies really did not enjoy the lameness of it.  And no, it was not a 
line packed with newbies.  I have had similar issues before.  Women often don't 
weight an allemande enough, let alone do things like push off to twirl out.  So 
if you write it into the dance, the only time it will likely be well danced in 
my region is at festivals.  I doubt my experience is singular.  A groan and 
much chatter arose from the floor as we realized what was about to happen.
Andrea

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> On Oct 3, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Donna Hunt  wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't say it was "gender swappery".  
> The oldest dance I can recall is the square dance Texas Star which has the 
> "men turn out and women turn in to make that Texas Star again".  The Texas 
> Star is a four couple star Promenade.  
> 
> There are several contemporary Contras that have ladies allemande to initiate 
> a star promenade, so you're in good company.  Happy composing...
> 
> 
> 
> Donna Hunt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Thu, Oct 3, 2013 10:05 am
> Subject: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?
> 
> 
> Came up against this question while writing a dance the other day: women
> leading men into a star promenade and butterfly whirl? Does this happen?
> Are there compelling reasons for me not write it into a dance, or would it
> be a fun bit of genderswappery? (I imagine that as far as genderswappery
> goes, it's still less confusing for all involved than a gent's chain...)
> 
> Cheers,
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Re: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?

[Janet Bertog]

Cary Ravitz has a few 

Butterflies Cary Ravitz 4-2001 

Improper contra 
A1- Neighbors balance and swing (16).
 A2- Men allemande left 1/2 (2).
-  Men keep left hands, pick up your partner, star promenade across, and
butterfly whirl 1/2 to put the ladies in the middle (6).
- Ladies allemande right 1/2 (2).
-  Ladies keep right hands, pick up your neighbor, star promenade across,
and butterfly whirl 1/2 (men go forward, ladies go backward) to put the men
in the middle (6).

B1-  Men allemande left 1/2 (4).
-  Partners swing (12).
 B2-  Circle left 3/4 and pass through up and down (8).
-  New neighbors do-si-do (8).

Fractal Fling Cary Ravitz 4-1996 
Becket 

A1- Men allemande left 1+1/2 (8).
-  Men keep left hands, pick up your neighbor, star promenade across, and
butterfly whirl until the ladies are in the middle (8).
 A2-  Ladies take right hands, keep your neighbor, star promenade across,
and butterfly whirl out (men go forward, ladies go backward) (8).
-  Melt from the whirl into a swing (8).

B1-  Right and left through across (8).
-  On the right diagonal, only if there is someone there, ladies chain (8).
 B2-  Partners balance and swing (16).

It is important for the man's arm to be below the woman's arm in the star
promenade. This allows for a smooth melt from the whirl to a swing. 

Tell the dancers to keep a close hold in the middle of the star promenades,
so that the outside people don't run into the next group.

Fractal Frolic Cary Ravitz 3-1996 
Improper contra 

A1- Neighbors balance and swing (16).
 A2- Men allemande left 1+1/2 (8).
-  Men keep left hands, pick up your partner, star promenade across, and
butterfly whirl until the ladies are in the middle (8).

B1- Ladies take right hands, keep your partner, star promenade across, and
butterfly whirl out (men go forward, ladies go backward) (8).
-  Melt from the whirl into a swing (8).
 B2- Right and left through across (8).
-  Ladies chain across (8).

It is important for the man's arm to be below the woman's arm in the star
promenade. This allows for a smooth melt from the whirl to a swing. 

Tell the dancers to keep a close hold in the middle of the star promenades,
so that the outside people don't run into the next group. 

The sequence of figures in Fractal Fling is almost identical to that of
Fractal Frolic, but partner and neighbor roles are reversed. To change from
Fractal Fling to Fractal Frolic in a medley, change Fractal Frolic's first
A1 to ladies allemande right 1+1/2, neighbors swing. To change from Fractal
Frolic to Fractal Fling, change Fractal Frolic's last B2 to right and left
through across, long lines go forward and back and shift left one couple.

Whirl of Fortune Cary Ravitz 4-1999 
Becket 

A1- Partners roll away with a half sashay into a butterfly whirl hold (4).
-  Butterfly whirl 3/4 (ladies go backward, men go forward) (3).
- Star promenade across (ladies in the middle) (4).
- Butterfly whirl 1+1/4 to face in (ladies go backward, men go forward) (5).
 A2- Men pass right to start a 1/2 hey, ladies push off in the middle to
trade roles in the hey (8).
- Continue the hey, men push off in the middle to trade roles in the hey,
ladies finish an ordinary hey (8).

B1-  Partners balance and swing (16).
 B2- Circle left 3/4 (7).
-  Pass through up and down (2).
-  With a new couple, circle right 3/4 (7).

B2 here is taken from Gene Hubert's Reunion.


-Original Message-
From: callers-boun...@sharedweight.net
[mailto:callers-boun...@sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Maia McCormick
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2013 10:05 AM
To: Caller's discussion list
Subject: [Callers] Women leading a star promenade?

Came up against this question while writing a dance the other day: women
leading men into a star promenade and butterfly whirl? Does this happen?
Are there compelling reasons for me not write it into a dance, or would it
be a fun bit of genderswappery? (I imagine that as far as genderswappery
goes, it's still less confusing for all involved than a gent's chain...)

Cheers,
Maia
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