Re: [ccp4bb] Unit Cell of Ensemble must be orthogonal

2013-01-17 Thread Randy Read
This means that the unit cell in the MTZ file obtained from the density is 
non-orthogonal, i.e. the angles are not all 90 degrees.  Although in principle 
we could have made it possible to use non-orthogonal unit cells, it would make 
things more difficult for us and, since the density has to be cut out and put 
in a new unit cell with lots of space around it anyway, there's no reason not 
to choose an orthogonal unit cell.

If you use Kevin Cowtan's cmapcut to cut out the density for MR, it will choose 
an orthogonal unit cell by default.

This reminds me that I must update our web page on using electron density as a 
model!  Before Kevin's nice cmapcut program (and Tom Terwilliger's equally nice 
phenix.cut_out_density procedure) it was a laborious process that required a 
very long explanation.

Best wishes,

Randy Read

On 17 Jan 2013, at 03:20, Wei Feng wrote:

 Dear all, 
 When I used PHASER to do a molecular replacement and define ensemble via map 
 (mtz file), the program stoped very soon. 
 The log file showed that Unit Cell of Ensemble must be orthogonal.
 I tried many ways to generate the map file, but the results are the same.
 Can anyone help me to solve this problem?
 Thanks a lot!
 Wei
 
 

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[ccp4bb] statistics from a structure factors file

2013-01-17 Thread Sebastiano Pasqualato

Hi all,
maybe a silly question, but I can't figure this out.

Is there a piece of software to calculate Table I statistics such as Rsym, 
Mn(I/sigI), Multiplicity, Completeness, from a structure factors file already 
containing  merged structure factors?

That is, if somebody hands me an mtz file he used to solve a structure, how can 
I determine the overall quality of the collected data, without having access to 
the processing logs?

Thanks in advance,
ciao,
Sebastiano

-- 
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Crystallography Unit
Department of Experimental Oncology
European Institute of Oncology
IFOM-IEO Campus
via Adamello, 16
20139 - Milano
Italy

tel +39 02 9437 5167
fax +39 02 9437 5990

please note the change in email address!
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Re: [ccp4bb] statistics from a structure factors file

2013-01-17 Thread Graeme Winter
Hi Sebastiano,

If they hand you an *unmerged* mtz file containing scaled data you can
do this, by remerging the data with Scala or Aimless. Equivalently the
unmerged output of scalepack or XSCALE (or XDS CORRECT)

If however you have merged data then you have lost this information,
though completeness and Mn(I/sig) are available, but not Rsym / Rpim /
multiplicity etc. Unmerged files are good :o)

Cheerio,

Graeme



On 17 January 2013 09:18, Sebastiano Pasqualato
sebastiano.pasqual...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 maybe a silly question, but I can't figure this out.

 Is there a piece of software to calculate Table I statistics such as Rsym,
 Mn(I/sigI), Multiplicity, Completeness, from a structure factors file
 already containing  merged structure factors?

 That is, if somebody hands me an mtz file he used to solve a structure, how
 can I determine the overall quality of the collected data, without having
 access to the processing logs?

 Thanks in advance,
 ciao,
 Sebastiano

 --
 Sebastiano Pasqualato, PhD
 Crystallography Unit
 Department of Experimental Oncology
 European Institute of Oncology
 IFOM-IEO Campus
 via Adamello, 16
 20139 - Milano
 Italy

 tel +39 02 9437 5167
 fax +39 02 9437 5990

 please note the change in email address!
 sebastiano.pasqual...@ieo.eu








Re: [ccp4bb] statistics from a structure factors file

2013-01-17 Thread Sebastiano Pasqualato

Thanks Graeme.
Long live and prosper to the unmerged files, then.
ciao,
s

On Jan 17, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Graeme Winter graeme.win...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Sebastiano,
 
 If they hand you an *unmerged* mtz file containing scaled data you can
 do this, by remerging the data with Scala or Aimless. Equivalently the
 unmerged output of scalepack or XSCALE (or XDS CORRECT)
 
 If however you have merged data then you have lost this information,
 though completeness and Mn(I/sig) are available, but not Rsym / Rpim /
 multiplicity etc. Unmerged files are good :o)
 
 Cheerio,
 
 Graeme
 
 
 
 On 17 January 2013 09:18, Sebastiano Pasqualato
 sebastiano.pasqual...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 maybe a silly question, but I can't figure this out.
 
 Is there a piece of software to calculate Table I statistics such as Rsym,
 Mn(I/sigI), Multiplicity, Completeness, from a structure factors file
 already containing  merged structure factors?
 
 That is, if somebody hands me an mtz file he used to solve a structure, how
 can I determine the overall quality of the collected data, without having
 access to the processing logs?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 ciao,
 Sebastiano
 
 --
 Sebastiano Pasqualato, PhD
 Crystallography Unit
 Department of Experimental Oncology
 European Institute of Oncology
 IFOM-IEO Campus
 via Adamello, 16
 20139 - Milano
 Italy
 
 tel +39 02 9437 5167
 fax +39 02 9437 5990
 
 please note the change in email address!
 sebastiano.pasqual...@ieo.eu
 
 
 
 
 
 


-- 
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Crystallography Unit
Department of Experimental Oncology
European Institute of Oncology
IFOM-IEO Campus
via Adamello, 16
20139 - Milano
Italy

tel +39 02 9437 5167
fax +39 02 9437 5990

please note the change in email address!
sebastiano.pasqual...@ieo.eu








Re: [ccp4bb] statistics from a structure factors file

2013-01-17 Thread George M. Sheldrick
These days I always ask people to send me the XDS_ASCII.HKL file if they
used XDS, then I can be sure that it is really UNMERGED, which has many
advantages (and I can read it into hkl2map, shelxc or xprep directly).

George


On 01/17/2013 10:37 AM, Graeme Winter wrote:
 Hi Sebastiano,
 
 If they hand you an *unmerged* mtz file containing scaled data you can
 do this, by remerging the data with Scala or Aimless. Equivalently the
 unmerged output of scalepack or XSCALE (or XDS CORRECT)
 
 If however you have merged data then you have lost this information,
 though completeness and Mn(I/sig) are available, but not Rsym / Rpim /
 multiplicity etc. Unmerged files are good :o)
 
 Cheerio,
 
 Graeme
 
 
 
 On 17 January 2013 09:18, Sebastiano Pasqualato
 sebastiano.pasqual...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 maybe a silly question, but I can't figure this out.

 Is there a piece of software to calculate Table I statistics such as Rsym,
 Mn(I/sigI), Multiplicity, Completeness, from a structure factors file
 already containing  merged structure factors?

 That is, if somebody hands me an mtz file he used to solve a structure, how
 can I determine the overall quality of the collected data, without having
 access to the processing logs?

 Thanks in advance,
 ciao,
 Sebastiano

 --
 Sebastiano Pasqualato, PhD
 Crystallography Unit
 Department of Experimental Oncology
 European Institute of Oncology
 IFOM-IEO Campus
 via Adamello, 16
 20139 - Milano
 Italy

 tel +39 02 9437 5167
 fax +39 02 9437 5990

 please note the change in email address!
 sebastiano.pasqual...@ieo.eu






 

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Dept. Structural Chemistry,
University of Goettingen,
Tammannstr. 4,
D37077 Goettingen, Germany
Tel. +49-551-39-3021 or -3068
Fax. +49-551-39-22582


Re: [ccp4bb] Crystallization buffer pH optimization

2013-01-17 Thread Tim Gruene
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Dear Mike,

I'd be surprised if the book was from Hampton: The pH-value of Hampton
solutions refers to the stock solution of the buffer before setting up
the final solution, and can differ a lot from your drop's pH - e.g. in
the presence of Imidazole or other buffering precipitants.

I might be wrong but believe that if you prepare the solution
yourself, a chemist should be able to explain to how to do the maths
yourself.

Regards,
Tim

On 01/17/2013 06:38 AM, Mike John wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 Shameful and sorry for asking this simple question, it looks like
 this when first starting a new setup in so-called structural
 biology. I remmeber a book of, probably, Hampton, in which there
 are tables of pH optimization for many buffers. For example for
 buffer TRIS, the table will list how many drops NaOH/HCl needed to
 change pH from 7.0 to 7.2, etc. This is useful for crystallization
 pH optimization, where can I buy or download this info?
 Alternatives?
 
 Thank you very much!
 
 Mike
 
 

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Institut fuer anorganische Chemie
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Re: [ccp4bb] ccp4 update

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Tickle
Dear Eugene

ccp4um doesn't work for me at all (update worked fine up until #012).

node066:/software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/bin-45 ccp4um
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File ccp4um, line 17, in module
shutil.copy2 ( fname,fname1 )
  File /software/python/python_v2.7.3_64/lib/python2.7/shutil.py, line
128, in copy2
copyfile(src, dst)
  File /software/python/python_v2.7.3_64/lib/python2.7/shutil.py, line
82, in copyfile
with open(src, 'rb') as fsrc:
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/libexec/ccp4um'

Did I do something wrong?  Or is it just that there's nothing to update?

Cheers

-- Ian


On 16 January 2013 15:11, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote:

 Dear Andreas,

 Sorry for late response to your post and confusion with the updater. For
 technical reasons (Windows does not like names containing update :)), the
 updater was renamed into ccp4um (ccp4 update manager) and is found in
 $CCP4/bin.

 I hope this helps,

 Eugene


 Dear CCP4 maintainers,

 I've come to appreciate the CCP4 update functionality, which, in our
 multiuser network (RHEL 6.2), I used to invoke by calling $CCP4/bin/update.

 Update 012 removed that script with no immediately obvious replacement.
   Was that on purpose?  Is there a way of updating CCP4 from the command
 line without calling CCP4i?

 Thanks


 Andreas


 (from update.log:

 [Thu Jan 3 2013 11:00:21]
 Ready to make changes

   --- applying update 6.3.0-012
   --- update header read
   --- creating restore package, please wait ...
   --- done
 ... file '/csb/soft/Linux64/share/ccp4-6.3.0/bin/update' removed
 ... file '/csb/soft/Linux64/share/ccp4-6.3.0/lib_exec/update' removed
 ... file '/csb/soft/Linux64/share/ccp4-6.3.0/lib_exec/_update' removed
 ... directory '/csb/soft/Linux64/share/ccp4-6.3.0/lib_exec' removed


 some more blah blah)


 --
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  Paul Freemont  Xiaodong Zhang Labs
 Department of Biochemistry, Imperial College London

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Re: [ccp4bb] ccp4 update

2013-01-17 Thread Tim Gruene
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Dear Ian,

did you source the ccp4 input script so that variables like CCP4 are set?
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/libexec/ccp4um'
looks like CCP4 is an empty string.

Best,
Tim

On 01/17/2013 01:44 PM, Ian Tickle wrote:
 Dear Eugene
 
 ccp4um doesn't work for me at all (update worked fine up until
 #012).
 
 node066:/software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/bin-45 ccp4um Traceback
 (most recent call last): File ccp4um, line 17, in module 
 shutil.copy2 ( fname,fname1 ) File
 /software/python/python_v2.7.3_64/lib/python2.7/shutil.py, line 
 128, in copy2 copyfile(src, dst) File
 /software/python/python_v2.7.3_64/lib/python2.7/shutil.py, line 
 82, in copyfile with open(src, 'rb') as fsrc: IOError: [Errno 2] No
 such file or directory: '/libexec/ccp4um'
 
 Did I do something wrong?  Or is it just that there's nothing to
 update?
 
 Cheers
 
 -- Ian
 
 
 On 16 January 2013 15:11, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
 
 Dear Andreas,
 
 Sorry for late response to your post and confusion with the
 updater. For technical reasons (Windows does not like names
 containing update :)), the updater was renamed into ccp4um
 (ccp4 update manager) and is found in $CCP4/bin.
 
 I hope this helps,
 
 Eugene
 
 
 Dear CCP4 maintainers,
 
 I've come to appreciate the CCP4 update functionality, which, in
 our multiuser network (RHEL 6.2), I used to invoke by calling
 $CCP4/bin/update.
 
 Update 012 removed that script with no immediately obvious
 replacement. Was that on purpose?  Is there a way of updating
 CCP4 from the command line without calling CCP4i?
 
 Thanks
 
 
 Andreas
 
 
 (from update.log:
 
 [Thu Jan 3 2013 11:00:21] Ready to make changes
 
 --- applying update 6.3.0-012 --- update header read --- creating
 restore package, please wait ... --- done ... file
 '/csb/soft/Linux64/share/ccp4-6.3.0/bin/update' removed ... file
 '/csb/soft/Linux64/share/ccp4-6.3.0/lib_exec/update' removed ...
 file '/csb/soft/Linux64/share/ccp4-6.3.0/lib_exec/_update'
 removed ... directory
 '/csb/soft/Linux64/share/ccp4-6.3.0/lib_exec' removed
 
 
 some more blah blah)
 
 
 -- Andreas Förster, Research Associate Paul Freemont  Xiaodong
 Zhang Labs Department of Biochemistry, Imperial College London
 
 -- Scanned by iCritical.
 
 
 

- -- 
- --
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Institut fuer anorganische Chemie
Tammannstr. 4
D-37077 Goettingen

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Re: [ccp4bb] ccp4 update

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Tickle
Yes it's my .login so it's always set up:

node066:/software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/bin-47 echo $CCP4
/software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0

Cheers

-- Ian


On 17 January 2013 12:51, Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote:

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 Dear Ian,

 did you source the ccp4 input script so that variables like CCP4 are set?
 IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/libexec/ccp4um'
 looks like CCP4 is an empty string.

 Best,
 Tim

 On 01/17/2013 01:44 PM, Ian Tickle wrote:
  Dear Eugene
 
  ccp4um doesn't work for me at all (update worked fine up until
  #012).
 
  node066:/software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/bin-45 ccp4um Traceback
  (most recent call last): File ccp4um, line 17, in module
  shutil.copy2 ( fname,fname1 ) File
  /software/python/python_v2.7.3_64/lib/python2.7/shutil.py, line
  128, in copy2 copyfile(src, dst) File
  /software/python/python_v2.7.3_64/lib/python2.7/shutil.py, line
  82, in copyfile with open(src, 'rb') as fsrc: IOError: [Errno 2] No
  such file or directory: '/libexec/ccp4um'
 
  Did I do something wrong?  Or is it just that there's nothing to
  update?
 
  Cheers
 
  -- Ian
 
 
  On 16 January 2013 15:11, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
 
  Dear Andreas,
 
  Sorry for late response to your post and confusion with the
  updater. For technical reasons (Windows does not like names
  containing update :)), the updater was renamed into ccp4um
  (ccp4 update manager) and is found in $CCP4/bin.
 
  I hope this helps,
 
  Eugene
 
 
  Dear CCP4 maintainers,
 
  I've come to appreciate the CCP4 update functionality, which, in
  our multiuser network (RHEL 6.2), I used to invoke by calling
  $CCP4/bin/update.
 
  Update 012 removed that script with no immediately obvious
  replacement. Was that on purpose?  Is there a way of updating
  CCP4 from the command line without calling CCP4i?
 
  Thanks
 
 
  Andreas
 
 
  (from update.log:
 
  [Thu Jan 3 2013 11:00:21] Ready to make changes
 
  --- applying update 6.3.0-012 --- update header read --- creating
  restore package, please wait ... --- done ... file
  '/csb/soft/Linux64/share/ccp4-6.3.0/bin/update' removed ... file
  '/csb/soft/Linux64/share/ccp4-6.3.0/lib_exec/update' removed ...
  file '/csb/soft/Linux64/share/ccp4-6.3.0/lib_exec/_update'
  removed ... directory
  '/csb/soft/Linux64/share/ccp4-6.3.0/lib_exec' removed
 
 
  some more blah blah)
 
 
  -- Andreas Förster, Research Associate Paul Freemont  Xiaodong
  Zhang Labs Department of Biochemistry, Imperial College London
 
  -- Scanned by iCritical.
 
 
 

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Re: [ccp4bb] ccp4 update

2013-01-17 Thread Tim Gruene
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Dear Ian,

I am not sure, but maybe the error is caused by $PWD being part of
your path variable so that when you call 'ccp4um' while your cwd is
/software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/bin, python make 'sys.argv[0]' (line
10 in $CBIN/ccp4um) ./ccp4um. This would result in the error you
receive.

Can you type 'which ccp4um' while being in
/software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/bin and while being in some other
directory (e.g. $HOME)?

Does the error occur if you call 'ccp4um' from e.g. $HOME?

Tim

On 01/17/2013 01:44 PM, Ian Tickle wrote:
 Dear Eugene
 
 ccp4um doesn't work for me at all (update worked fine up until
 #012).
 
 node066:/software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/bin-45 ccp4um Traceback
 (most recent call last): File ccp4um, line 17, in module 
 shutil.copy2 ( fname,fname1 ) File
 /software/python/python_v2.7.3_64/lib/python2.7/shutil.py, line 
 128, in copy2 copyfile(src, dst) File
 /software/python/python_v2.7.3_64/lib/python2.7/shutil.py, line 
 82, in copyfile with open(src, 'rb') as fsrc: IOError: [Errno 2] No
 such file or directory: '/libexec/ccp4um'
 
 Did I do something wrong?  Or is it just that there's nothing to
 update?
 
 Cheers
 
 -- Ian
 
 
 On 16 January 2013 15:11, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
 
 Dear Andreas,
 
 Sorry for late response to your post and confusion with the
 updater. For technical reasons (Windows does not like names
 containing update :)), the updater was renamed into ccp4um
 (ccp4 update manager) and is found in $CCP4/bin.
 
 I hope this helps,
 
 Eugene
 
 
 Dear CCP4 maintainers,
 
 I've come to appreciate the CCP4 update functionality, which, in
 our multiuser network (RHEL 6.2), I used to invoke by calling
 $CCP4/bin/update.
 
 Update 012 removed that script with no immediately obvious
 replacement. Was that on purpose?  Is there a way of updating
 CCP4 from the command line without calling CCP4i?
 
 Thanks
 
 
 Andreas
 
 
 (from update.log:
 
 [Thu Jan 3 2013 11:00:21] Ready to make changes
 
 --- applying update 6.3.0-012 --- update header read --- creating
 restore package, please wait ... --- done ... file
 '/csb/soft/Linux64/share/ccp4-6.3.0/bin/update' removed ... file
 '/csb/soft/Linux64/share/ccp4-6.3.0/lib_exec/update' removed ...
 file '/csb/soft/Linux64/share/ccp4-6.3.0/lib_exec/_update'
 removed ... directory
 '/csb/soft/Linux64/share/ccp4-6.3.0/lib_exec' removed
 
 
 some more blah blah)
 
 
 -- Andreas Förster, Research Associate Paul Freemont  Xiaodong
 Zhang Labs Department of Biochemistry, Imperial College London
 
 -- Scanned by iCritical.
 
 
 

- -- 
- --
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Institut fuer anorganische Chemie
Tammannstr. 4
D-37077 Goettingen

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Re: [ccp4bb] ccp4 update

2013-01-17 Thread Ian Tickle
Tim  Eugene

node066:/software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/bin-58 which ccp4um
./ccp4um

node066:/software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/bin-59 cd

node066:~-60 which ccp4um
ccp4um: Command not found.

node066:~-61 echo $PATH
/software/virtualenv/python2.7/64/cluster/bin: ...
:/software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/share/dbccp4i/bin:/software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/share/ccp4i/bin:/software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/bin:/software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/etc:/software/compilers/linux/intel_v11.7.256/composer_xe_2011_sp1.7.256/bin/ia32:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/share/xia2/xia2core/Test:/software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/share/xia2/xia2/Applications

# CBIN is in the path, so we need to rehash after the update:

node066:~-62 rehash  

node066:~-63 which ccp4um
/software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/bin/ccp4um

node066:~-64 ccp4um
WORKS!

So I just needed to rehash the PATH after the last update (or I could have
logged out  in).

Thanks to Tim  Eugene for suggestions.

Cheers

-- Ian


On 17 January 2013 13:25, Tim Gruene t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de wrote:

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 Hash: SHA1

 Dear Ian,

 I am not sure, but maybe the error is caused by $PWD being part of
 your path variable so that when you call 'ccp4um' while your cwd is
 /software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/bin, python make 'sys.argv[0]' (line
 10 in $CBIN/ccp4um) ./ccp4um. This would result in the error you
 receive.

 Can you type 'which ccp4um' while being in
 /software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/bin and while being in some other
 directory (e.g. $HOME)?

 Does the error occur if you call 'ccp4um' from e.g. $HOME?

 Tim

 On 01/17/2013 01:44 PM, Ian Tickle wrote:
  Dear Eugene
 
  ccp4um doesn't work for me at all (update worked fine up until
  #012).
 
  node066:/software/CCP4-6.3.0/ccp4-6.3.0/bin-45 ccp4um Traceback
  (most recent call last): File ccp4um, line 17, in module
  shutil.copy2 ( fname,fname1 ) File
  /software/python/python_v2.7.3_64/lib/python2.7/shutil.py, line
  128, in copy2 copyfile(src, dst) File
  /software/python/python_v2.7.3_64/lib/python2.7/shutil.py, line
  82, in copyfile with open(src, 'rb') as fsrc: IOError: [Errno 2] No
  such file or directory: '/libexec/ccp4um'
 
  Did I do something wrong?  Or is it just that there's nothing to
  update?
 
  Cheers
 
  -- Ian
 
 
  On 16 January 2013 15:11, eugene.krissi...@stfc.ac.uk wrote:
 
  Dear Andreas,
 
  Sorry for late response to your post and confusion with the
  updater. For technical reasons (Windows does not like names
  containing update :)), the updater was renamed into ccp4um
  (ccp4 update manager) and is found in $CCP4/bin.
 
  I hope this helps,
 
  Eugene
 
 
  Dear CCP4 maintainers,
 
  I've come to appreciate the CCP4 update functionality, which, in
  our multiuser network (RHEL 6.2), I used to invoke by calling
  $CCP4/bin/update.
 
  Update 012 removed that script with no immediately obvious
  replacement. Was that on purpose?  Is there a way of updating
  CCP4 from the command line without calling CCP4i?
 
  Thanks
 
 
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Re: [ccp4bb] Crystallization buffer pH optimization

2013-01-17 Thread David Schuller

That may be the CALBIOCHEM Buffers Booklet, which is free online as a PDF.

On 01/17/2013 12:38 AM, Mike John wrote:

Hello,

Shameful and sorry for asking this simple question, it looks like this 
when first starting a new setup in

so-called structural biology.

I remmeber a book of, probably, Hampton, in which there are tables of 
pH optimization for many buffers. For example for buffer TRIS, the 
table will list how many drops NaOH/HCl needed to change pH from 7.0 
to 7.2, etc. This is useful for crystallization pH optimization, where 
can I buy or download this info?  Alternatives?


Thank you very much!

Mike





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[ccp4bb] P212121 and P213

2013-01-17 Thread Nicholas Keep

I have a structure which normally crystallises in P213 but one data set
the edges became slightly non-equivalent in length by a couple of
angstroms and the data process in P212121

P212121 symmetry operators appears to be a subset of P213

http://img.chem.ucl.ac.uk/sgp/large/019az1.htm
http://img.chem.ucl.ac.uk/sgp/large/198az1.htm

(Not absolutely sure the above are world viewable)

Naively I expected the two structures to roughly align.  However they
don't there appears to be some change of axes between them.
The transform of the P213 onto the P212121 structure is
0.03345 -0.9977 -0.0598
-0.9994 0.03402 -0.08653
0.01066 0.05929  -0.9982
-18.16 -57.18 21.39

This is clearly close to

0 -1 0
-1 0 0
0 0 -1
-0.25 -.75 0.25 in fractionals.

Applying either the exact transformation or the regularised one
with ether indexing of  p213 ie original and k h -l
http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/html/reindexing.html
the rfactors are well above 50% and don't drop.

Any suggestions of what I am doing wrong or is this not going to work
(tried MR into the reindexed data and that does not align either- in 
fact I have tried quite a lot things)


The reason for trying to get the two structures on the same axes is to
compare the electron densities.  The P212121 seems to have some of the
disorder loops better defined.

Using the Coot transform map by LSQ superpose is quite good BUT it would
be better if it were another map other than the refinement map that is
transformed as I then want to refine the unmoved structure into the
unmoved map guided by the moved map and that involved a lot of changes 
of map selection.


Thanks
nick



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Re: [ccp4bb] P212121 and P213

2013-01-17 Thread Tim Gruene
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Dear Nicholas,

not sure whether it will work - learning by doing:
You might integrate the P213 data set in the subgroup P212121 with the
real P212121 data as reference data set. At least XDS will then choose
consistent indexing.
As last step you repeat the CORRECT step with the space group assigned
to P213 (CORRECT might actually pick the right lattice symmetry
automatically) this should not change the indexing IF XDS considers it
possible.

Best,
Tim

On 01/17/2013 03:08 PM, Nicholas Keep wrote:
 I have a structure which normally crystallises in P213 but one data
 set the edges became slightly non-equivalent in length by a couple
 of angstroms and the data process in P212121
 
 P212121 symmetry operators appears to be a subset of P213
 
 http://img.chem.ucl.ac.uk/sgp/large/019az1.htm 
 http://img.chem.ucl.ac.uk/sgp/large/198az1.htm
 
 (Not absolutely sure the above are world viewable)
 
 Naively I expected the two structures to roughly align.  However
 they don't there appears to be some change of axes between them. 
 The transform of the P213 onto the P212121 structure is 0.03345
 -0.9977 -0.0598 -0.9994 0.03402 -0.08653 0.01066 0.05929  -0.9982 
 -18.16 -57.18 21.39
 
 This is clearly close to
 
 0 -1 0 -1 0 0 0 0 -1 -0.25 -.75 0.25 in fractionals.
 
 Applying either the exact transformation or the regularised one 
 with ether indexing of  p213 ie original and k h -l 
 http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/html/reindexing.html the rfactors are well
 above 50% and don't drop.
 
 Any suggestions of what I am doing wrong or is this not going to
 work (tried MR into the reindexed data and that does not align
 either- in fact I have tried quite a lot things)
 
 The reason for trying to get the two structures on the same axes is
 to compare the electron densities.  The P212121 seems to have some
 of the disorder loops better defined.
 
 Using the Coot transform map by LSQ superpose is quite good BUT it
 would be better if it were another map other than the refinement
 map that is transformed as I then want to refine the unmoved
 structure into the unmoved map guided by the moved map and that
 involved a lot of changes of map selection.
 
 Thanks nick
 
 
 

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Re: [ccp4bb] P212121 and P213

2013-01-17 Thread Eleanor Dodson
Hard to say without data - but I would generate the 3 symmetry copies of the 
molecule you would have in P213,
then do rigid refinement of   those coordinates with the P212121 cell 
dimensions  and symmetry. There are so many possibilities for origin shifts
But you don't say how non-equivalent the axes are;  - if -18.16 ~ 1/4 ~ 21.39 
that is a pretty big difference? 
Eleanor

On 17 Jan 2013, at 14:08, Nicholas Keep wrote:

 I have a structure which normally crystallises in P213 but one data set
 the edges became slightly non-equivalent in length by a couple of
 angstroms and the data process in P212121
 
 P212121 symmetry operators appears to be a subset of P213
 
 http://img.chem.ucl.ac.uk/sgp/large/019az1.htm
 http://img.chem.ucl.ac.uk/sgp/large/198az1.htm
 
 (Not absolutely sure the above are world viewable)
 
 Naively I expected the two structures to roughly align.  However they
 don't there appears to be some change of axes between them.
 The transform of the P213 onto the P212121 structure is
 0.03345 -0.9977 -0.0598
 -0.9994 0.03402 -0.08653
 0.01066 0.05929  -0.9982
 -18.16 -57.18 21.39
 
 This is clearly close to
 
 0 -1 0
 -1 0 0
 0 0 -1
 -0.25 -.75 0.25 in fractionals.
 
 Applying either the exact transformation or the regularised one
 with ether indexing of  p213 ie original and k h -l
 http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/html/reindexing.html
 the rfactors are well above 50% and don't drop.
 
 Any suggestions of what I am doing wrong or is this not going to work
 (tried MR into the reindexed data and that does not align either- in fact I 
 have tried quite a lot things)
 
 The reason for trying to get the two structures on the same axes is to
 compare the electron densities.  The P212121 seems to have some of the
 disorder loops better defined.
 
 Using the Coot transform map by LSQ superpose is quite good BUT it would
 be better if it were another map other than the refinement map that is
 transformed as I then want to refine the unmoved structure into the
 unmoved map guided by the moved map and that involved a lot of changes of map 
 selection.
 
 Thanks
 nick
 
 
 
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 Professor of Biomolecular Science
 Crystallography, Institute for Structural and Molecular Biology,
 Department of Biological Sciences
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Re: [ccp4bb] P212121 and P213

2013-01-17 Thread Enrico Stura
Polymorphs are another possibility. The packing could be very similar but  
the space

group could be different.

Enrico.


On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:30:20 +0100, Eleanor Dodson  
eleanor.dod...@york.ac.uk wrote:


Hard to say without data - but I would generate the 3 symmetry copies of  
the molecule you would have in P213,
then do rigid refinement of   those coordinates with the P212121 cell  
dimensions  and symmetry. There are so many possibilities for origin  
shifts
But you don't say how non-equivalent the axes are;  - if -18.16 ~ 1/4 ~  
21.39 that is a pretty big difference?

Eleanor

On 17 Jan 2013, at 14:08, Nicholas Keep wrote:


I have a structure which normally crystallises in P213 but one data set
the edges became slightly non-equivalent in length by a couple of
angstroms and the data process in P212121

P212121 symmetry operators appears to be a subset of P213

http://img.chem.ucl.ac.uk/sgp/large/019az1.htm
http://img.chem.ucl.ac.uk/sgp/large/198az1.htm

(Not absolutely sure the above are world viewable)

Naively I expected the two structures to roughly align.  However they
don't there appears to be some change of axes between them.
The transform of the P213 onto the P212121 structure is
0.03345 -0.9977 -0.0598
-0.9994 0.03402 -0.08653
0.01066 0.05929  -0.9982
-18.16 -57.18 21.39

This is clearly close to

0 -1 0
-1 0 0
0 0 -1
-0.25 -.75 0.25 in fractionals.

Applying either the exact transformation or the regularised one
with ether indexing of  p213 ie original and k h -l
http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/html/reindexing.html
the rfactors are well above 50% and don't drop.

Any suggestions of what I am doing wrong or is this not going to work
(tried MR into the reindexed data and that does not align either- in  
fact I have tried quite a lot things)


The reason for trying to get the two structures on the same axes is to
compare the electron densities.  The P212121 seems to have some of the
disorder loops better defined.

Using the Coot transform map by LSQ superpose is quite good BUT it would
be better if it were another map other than the refinement map that is
transformed as I then want to refine the unmoved structure into the
unmoved map guided by the moved map and that involved a lot of changes  
of map selection.


Thanks
nick



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Executive Dean of School of Science
Professor of Biomolecular Science
Crystallography, Institute for Structural and Molecular Biology,
Department of Biological Sciences
Birkbeck,  University of London,
Malet Street,
Bloomsbury
LONDON
WC1E 7HX

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Executive Dean of School of Science
Professor of Biomolecular Science
Crystallography, Institute for Structural and Molecular Biology,
Department of Biological Sciences
Birkbeck,  University of London,
Malet Street,
Bloomsbury
LONDON
WC1E 7HX

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Re: [ccp4bb] P212121 and P213

2013-01-17 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Nicholas,

Why do you want to do the same rebuilding twice? Once in the P212121 map
and once guided by the rotated P212121 map? 

What I usually do in these cases, and which seems more efficient to me,
is to first complete rebuilding and refinement of the better defined
p212121 structure and then superimpose the refined coordinates onto your
P213 molecule. Since you probably have 3 molecules in the asymmetric
unit in P212121 and 1 molecule in P213, you could superimpose the 3
p212121 molecules onto your single P213 molecule.

Then either you rebuild your P213 molecule, guided by the coordinates of
the P212121 structures, or you rebuild one of the P212121 molecules into
the p213 structure, just like one does with molecular replacement.

My 2 cents,
Herman  

-Original Message-
From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of
Nicholas Keep
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:09 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] P212121 and P213

I have a structure which normally crystallises in P213 but one data set
the edges became slightly non-equivalent in length by a couple of
angstroms and the data process in P212121

P212121 symmetry operators appears to be a subset of P213

http://img.chem.ucl.ac.uk/sgp/large/019az1.htm
http://img.chem.ucl.ac.uk/sgp/large/198az1.htm

(Not absolutely sure the above are world viewable)

Naively I expected the two structures to roughly align.  However they
don't there appears to be some change of axes between them.
The transform of the P213 onto the P212121 structure is
0.03345 -0.9977 -0.0598
-0.9994 0.03402 -0.08653
0.01066 0.05929  -0.9982
-18.16 -57.18 21.39

This is clearly close to

0 -1 0
-1 0 0
0 0 -1
-0.25 -.75 0.25 in fractionals.

Applying either the exact transformation or the regularised one with
ether indexing of  p213 ie original and k h -l
http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/html/reindexing.html
the rfactors are well above 50% and don't drop.

Any suggestions of what I am doing wrong or is this not going to work
(tried MR into the reindexed data and that does not align either- in
fact I have tried quite a lot things)

The reason for trying to get the two structures on the same axes is to
compare the electron densities.  The P212121 seems to have some of the
disorder loops better defined.

Using the Coot transform map by LSQ superpose is quite good BUT it would
be better if it were another map other than the refinement map that is
transformed as I then want to refine the unmoved structure into the
unmoved map guided by the moved map and that involved a lot of changes
of map selection.

Thanks
nick



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Executive Dean of School of Science
Professor of Biomolecular Science
Crystallography, Institute for Structural and Molecular Biology,
Department of Biological Sciences Birkbeck,  University of London, Malet
Street, Bloomsbury LONDON WC1E 7HX

email n.k...@mail.cryst.bbk.ac.uk
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Professor of Biomolecular Science
Crystallography, Institute for Structural and Molecular Biology,
Department of Biological Sciences Birkbeck,  University of London, Malet
Street, Bloomsbury LONDON WC1E 7HX

email n.k...@mail.cryst.bbk.ac.uk
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Re: [ccp4bb] P212121 and P213

2013-01-17 Thread Nicholas Keep
Thanks Eleanor, your tip has got me there. I was attempting the problem 
the wrong way round.


To get it to work

I had to reindex the P212121  h=-l k=k l=h
Then rigid body refinement of the P213 symmetry generated trimer dropped 
it to 40% and NCS refinement to around 25%


My reasoning for avoiding doing it this way round is that presumably if 
we deposit the P213 and the P212121 structures the wwPDB will reset to 
abc (I seem to remember)


A quick go at trying to reverse this has not worked.  Maybe the radius 
of convergence of a rigid body is lower in the higher symmetry space 
group??



For info
In P213  a=b=c 75.953
P212121 a=74.504 b=77.473 c=79.894


The SSM fit is 0.79 over virtually all Calphas for the symmetry 
generated trimer in P213 onto the P212121 structure



In response to Herman
The final P213 data set is actually higher resolution (we have collected 
several of these at a range of resolution as we improved cryo/crystal 
size/sampled more crystals/cooling pathways).  The P212121 was the 
highest at one point and has better density for some loops.


Many thanks to all who sent me hints

Nick





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Professor of Biomolecular Science
Crystallography, Institute for Structural and Molecular Biology,
Department of Biological Sciences
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Malet Street,
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LONDON
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Re: [ccp4bb] [COOT] favorite linux flavor, or as most of you would say, flavour ;)

2013-01-17 Thread David Schuller
A year or two ago we switched from Fedora to Scientific Linux 6. It is a 
free repackaging of Red Hat Enterprise, so it should be a 
straightforward shift from Fedora. It is supported long term, and has 
backing from several large labs (fermilab, CERN, etc)


CCP4, Coot, etc. seem to be well-supported in it. Anything package for 
RH Enterprise should be fine.



On 01/17/13 11:33, David Roberts wrote:
I'm sorry to re-hash this issue, but I just wanted to know what the 
present general consensus is on linux flavors.  I teach a 
crystallography class every 2 years, and I have a small cluster of 
computers running fedora, but the deal is that by the time I get 
around to my class, fedora has routinely gone up at least 2 levels 
since my last upgrade, meaning that the latest software and things are 
difficult at best to load on.


I'm OK with any linux, I just want one that will be able to run the 
majority (if not all) of the typical crystallography packages (cns, 
ccp4, coot, etc...).  I also would like one that works well with nfs 
and local file sharing.  I can upgrade fedora, no problem, but I 
thought I may branch out if others think there are better flavors out 
there.


Thanks so much

Dave Roberts



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Re: [ccp4bb] advices

2013-01-17 Thread Joe Chen
I guess you may have to decide whether you want to modify your current
conditions or just start over to find new conditions, to get around this
ultra-fast crystallization.  I don't know if you have played around all
parameters of current condition, such as lower temperature, protein
concentration, pH, salt, etc,  or ways to slow down vapor diffusion, i.e.
covering drop or reservoir by silicon oil.  If all these do not help, you
might have to find a new condition under which protein crystallizes in a
different morphology...However, BEFORE you try out things at the
crystallization stage, ask if there is anything that you could improve
before crystallization:  Is your construct good enough?  How is your
protein quality--purity/homogeneity?  Fine-tuning every step from gene to
protein to crystal could eventually lead to good results.

Joe


On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Mike John perturb-w...@hotmail.com wrote:

  Hello, all,

 My crystal grows very fast even though the protein conc. is now 1.5 mg/ml.
 The shape of the crystal likes a ruler plate with one side very thin. The
 crystal quality has diffraction to about 3.5A in a home source of 1.2 KW
 sealed tube Angilent equipment. But the data can not be indexed due to one
 direction has poor diffraction and the crystal quality. Seeking advices on
 improving the crystal quality. Thank you very much

 Mike




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[ccp4bb] HKL2000 24IDE beam center.

2013-01-17 Thread Niu Tou
Hi colleagues,

We have collected several datasets at APS with detector 24IDE, while
processing date, the beam center is obviously not in position. But no
matter what values we set in Site Configuration or def.site, it remains
about (156, 165). Based on the image, the estimated correct center should
be around (156, 157). Does anyone know how to solve this problem?

Thanks
Niu


Re: [ccp4bb] HKL2000 24IDE beam center.

2013-01-17 Thread Scott Classen
Hello Niu,

Have you tried adding the following line to appropriate areas in the macro tab 
(indexing, refinement and integration I believe they're called?):

x beam 156 y beam 157 


Sincerely,
Scott Classen

On Jan 17, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Niu Tou wrote:

 Hi colleagues,
 
 We have collected several datasets at APS with detector 24IDE, while 
 processing date, the beam center is obviously not in position. But no matter 
 what values we set in Site Configuration or def.site, it remains about 
 (156, 165). Based on the image, the estimated correct center should be around 
 (156, 157). Does anyone know how to solve this problem? 
 
 Thanks
 Niu 



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Re: [ccp4bb] HKL2000 24IDE beam center.

2013-01-17 Thread Jon Schuermann

Niu,

   Could you give me some information about when you came to NE-CAT and 
I will tell you the beam center. We can do this off the CCP4BB. My email 
is schue...@anl.gov


Thanks,
   Jon


On 01/17/2013 03:19 PM, Niu Tou wrote:

Hi colleagues,

We have collected several datasets at APS with detector 24IDE, while 
processing date, the beam center is obviously not in position. But no 
matter what values we set in Site Configuration or def.site, it 
remains about (156, 165). Based on the image, the estimated correct 
center should be around (156, 157). Does anyone know how to solve this 
problem?


Thanks
Niu



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[ccp4bb] Membrane protein overexpression

2013-01-17 Thread Theresa Hsu
Dear all

I have a general question on membrane protein overexpression in E. coli. Are E. 
coli proteins expressed in E. coli always better in terms of yield, lipid 
preservation and so on than another homologous protein?

I am aware that it is different for *crystallization* because of flexible loops 
and thermostability.

Thank you.

Theresa


Re: [ccp4bb] HKL2000 24IDE beam center.

2013-01-17 Thread Todd Jason Green
If you change it in the def.site file, when you start HKL2000 and select the 
detector type, it has to be the one with the name of the directory of the 
def.site file that you corrected. If it doesn't have the values that you 
entered into the def.site file then you are either not choosing the correct one 
or it is not saving what you updated. Unless the permissions are set for a 
normal user or you are using the root account, you may not be able to save the 
values that you changed. what happens if you start HKL2000 then click on the 
site configuration heading? it should pop up the s.c. window. change the values 
then just click close. the values should be set. i would uncheck the refine 
buttons for x beam and y beam to see if it stays at these values.  what do you 
see? if it goes far from these values in the refinement step, then there could 
be other problems. Where did you get the beam center values. if it was from a 
different program, then the convention for x and y may be different. some 
programs rotate the image. so they are not interchangeable.

lastly if you change the values in the s.c. window, unless you have the 
permissions set correctly, it's unlikely that you can save the values. so 
everytime you restart, you will have to change the values again.

-Todd


From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] on behalf of Niu Tou 
[niutou2...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:19 PM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: [ccp4bb] HKL2000 24IDE beam center.

Hi colleagues,

We have collected several datasets at APS with detector 24IDE, while processing 
date, the beam center is obviously not in position. But no matter what values 
we set in Site Configuration or def.site, it remains about (156, 165). 
Based on the image, the estimated correct center should be around (156, 157). 
Does anyone know how to solve this problem?

Thanks
Niu


Re: [ccp4bb] Membrane protein overexpression

2013-01-17 Thread Toufic Arnaout
Hi Theresa,
The overexpression of any MP may depend on 100 factors and what you listed
below are just a few!

toufic



On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Theresa Hsu theresah...@live.com wrote:

 Dear all

 I have a general question on membrane protein overexpression in E. coli.
 Are E. coli proteins expressed in E. coli always better in terms of yield,
 lipid preservation and so on than another homologous protein?

 I am aware that it is different for *crystallization* because of flexible
 loops and thermostability.

 Thank you.

 Theresa




Re: [ccp4bb] Unit Cell of Ensemble must be orthogonal

2013-01-17 Thread Wei Feng
Thanks a lot!
Wei






At 2013-01-17 17:02:12,Randy Read rj...@cam.ac.uk wrote:
This means that the unit cell in the MTZ file obtained from the density is 
non-orthogonal, i.e. the angles are not all 90 degrees.  Although in principle 
we could have made it possible to use non-orthogonal unit cells, it would make 
things more difficult for us and, since the density has to be cut out and put 
in a new unit cell with lots of space around it anyway, there's no reason not 
to choose an orthogonal unit cell.


If you use Kevin Cowtan's cmapcut to cut out the density for MR, it will choose 
an orthogonal unit cell by default.


This reminds me that I must update our web page on using electron density as a 
model!  Before Kevin's nice cmapcut program (and Tom Terwilliger's equally nice 
phenix.cut_out_density procedure) it was a laborious process that required a 
very long explanation.


Best wishes,


Randy Read


On 17 Jan 2013, at 03:20, Wei Feng wrote:


Dear all, 
When I used PHASER to do a molecular replacement and define ensemble via map 
(mtz file), the program stoped very soon. 
The log file showed that Unit Cell of Ensemble must be orthogonal.
I tried many ways to generate the map file, but the results are the same.
Can anyone help me to solve this problem?
Thanks a lot!
Wei





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[ccp4bb] R-factors of various kind

2013-01-17 Thread Teri Arman
Hi, it would be nice if you highlight different type of R-factors used in
the literature. I like to understand various kind of R-Factors, their
mathematical formula, and relations among them.
Thank you.
Teri


[ccp4bb] Protein-DNA crystallisation

2013-01-17 Thread Careina Edgooms
Dear CCP4
I wish to crystalise a transcription factor in complex with DNA. Are there any 
good papers you can recommend on protein-DNA crystallisation? 
Also any helpful tips on protein:DNA ratios, protein concentrations or buffer 
conditions that have worked for any of you would be most helpful
Thanks
Careina