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How well I had to remember the early deadline before the date something was really going to be hit the streets I did photography work for magazines and yeah you had to have it in early just because it was going to be a December issue I bet you had to have stuff in there generally several months ahead of time are you lost out some editors wanted stuff even earlier just depended on how they were and what they were doing and what schedule they were working on and what their time frames were but yeah I think we all nailed it down on that date then thanks everybody for chipping in on the information! Sent from AOL on Android On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 10:19 PM, Smith, Wayne via cctalk wrote: "November 19, 1974" is what is written on the "Date of Publication of This Issue" line in Copyright "Form B" (for periodicals) used at the time. The form then states "The copyright law defines the 'date of publication' as '. . . the earliest date when copies . . . were placed on sale, sold or publicly distributed." The form is then signed pursuant to 17 U.S.C. sec. 506(e), which provided for a substantial fine in the event that any false representation was made on the form. There is no reason to doubt the date of publication in the notice. In fact, there is every reason to believe it is correct. In the magazine business it is a routine business practice to have actual publication occur months prior to the "cover date" the publisher places on the magazine. The reason for this is so that the magazines could remain on the newsstands for at least a few months without appearing to be stale. This is particularly the case with magazines published on a monthly cadence. Just as a check, I looked up the publication date of the January 1975 issue of Playboy. According to the copyright registration, it was November 20, 1974. > Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 01:27:28 +0000 (UTC) > From: ED SHARPE > Subject: [cctalk] Re: Altair 8800 50th birthday... > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Cc: Sellam Abraham > Message-ID: <1726519925.3966543.1714958848...@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Perhaps After doing the layout work in the November it was perhaps > copyrighted Immediately during layout But it did not ship Until January > Think! back in those days things did not instantly happen and we're instantly > shipped Ed# > > Sent from AOL on Android > > On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:09 AM, Sellam Abraham via > cctalk wrote: On Fri, May 3, 2024, 1:28 AM Smith, > Wayne via cctalk > wrote: > > > I looked up the Jan. 1975 issue of Popular Electronics in the > > Copyright Office's Periodicals Digest. It was published on Nov. 19, > > 1974 if you are looking for an actual anniversary date. > > > > The January issue was certainly not available in November of 1974. > > When did it actually get sent out and start showing up in people's mailboxes? > > Sellam >
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"November 19, 1974" is what is written on the "Date of Publication of This Issue" line in Copyright "Form B" (for periodicals) used at the time. The form then states "The copyright law defines the 'date of publication' as '. . . the earliest date when copies . . . were placed on sale, sold or publicly distributed." The form is then signed pursuant to 17 U.S.C. sec. 506(e), which provided for a substantial fine in the event that any false representation was made on the form. There is no reason to doubt the date of publication in the notice. In fact, there is every reason to believe it is correct. In the magazine business it is a routine business practice to have actual publication occur months prior to the "cover date" the publisher places on the magazine. The reason for this is so that the magazines could remain on the newsstands for at least a few months without appearing to be stale. This is particularly the case with magazines published on a monthly cadence. Just as a check, I looked up the publication date of the January 1975 issue of Playboy. According to the copyright registration, it was November 20, 1974. > Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 01:27:28 +0000 (UTC) > From: ED SHARPE > Subject: [cctalk] Re: Altair 8800 50th birthday... > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Cc: Sellam Abraham > Message-ID: <1726519925.3966543.1714958848...@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Perhaps After doing the layout work in the November it was perhaps > copyrighted Immediately during layout But it did not ship Until January > Think! back in those days things did not instantly happen and we're instantly > shipped Ed# > > Sent from AOL on Android > > On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:09 AM, Sellam Abraham via > cctalk wrote: On Fri, May 3, 2024, 1:28 AM Smith, > Wayne via cctalk > wrote: > > > I looked up the Jan. 1975 issue of Popular Electronics in the > > Copyright Office's Periodicals Digest. It was published on Nov. 19, > > 1974 if you are looking for an actual anniversary date. > > > > The January issue was certainly not available in November of 1974. > > When did it actually get sent out and start showing up in people's mailboxes? > > Sellam >
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Yes, in those days, magazines were printed, and mailed out, or shipped to newstands before their nominal date, in order to be delivered by their nominal date. The intent was that people would have it by January 1st, so it would arrive in late December. So, the January 1975 one would have been written, copyrighted, and printed in November or December 1974. On Mon, 6 May 2024, ED SHARPE via cctalk wrote: Perhaps After doing the layout work in the November it was perhaps copyrighted Immediately during layout But it did not ship Until January Think! back in those days things did not instantly happen and we're instantly shipped Ed# Sent from AOL on Android On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:09 AM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Fri, May 3, 2024, 1:28 AM Smith, Wayne via cctalk wrote: I looked up the Jan. 1975 issue of Popular Electronics in the Copyright Office's Periodicals Digest. It was published on Nov. 19, 1974 if you are looking for an actual anniversary date. The January issue was certainly not available in November of 1974. When did it actually get sent out and start showing up in people's mailboxes? Sellam
[cctalk] Re: Altair 8800 50th birthday...
Perhaps After doing the layout work in the November it was perhaps copyrighted Immediately during layout But it did not ship Until January Think! back in those days things did not instantly happen and we're instantly shipped Ed# Sent from AOL on Android On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:09 AM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Fri, May 3, 2024, 1:28 AM Smith, Wayne via cctalk wrote: > I looked up the Jan. 1975 issue of Popular Electronics in the Copyright > Office's Periodicals Digest. It was published on Nov. 19, 1974 if you are > looking for an actual anniversary date. > The January issue was certainly not available in November of 1974. When did it actually get sent out and start showing up in people's mailboxes? Sellam >
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On Fri, May 3, 2024, 1:28 AM Smith, Wayne via cctalk wrote: > I looked up the Jan. 1975 issue of Popular Electronics in the Copyright > Office's Periodicals Digest. It was published on Nov. 19, 1974 if you are > looking for an actual anniversary date. > The January issue was certainly not available in November of 1974. When did it actually get sent out and start showing up in people's mailboxes? Sellam >
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I looked up the Jan. 1975 issue of Popular Electronics in the Copyright Office's Periodicals Digest. It was published on Nov. 19, 1974 if you are looking for an actual anniversary date. -W > On Saturday, April 27th, 2024 at 07:14, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Magazine cover january, and into 1975 the revolution. So I'd say > > > all > > > > I had that magazine. Wish I hadn't thrown it away oh so many years > > ago. > > This one? > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://archive.org/details/197511PopularE > lectronics__;!!AQdq3sQhfUj4q8uUguY!jsVD6bkUUnjpF4d8AeRUKyiCW6qk8LAqFsj > dYW5cjAK-kOsMp32O4FfrPI5l1lqnTNp6sXQsHpX35FsPAzYDMIHhl-uy-NSC5w$ > > The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510] > WWW: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://drwho.virtadpt.net/__;!!AQdq3sQhfU > j4q8uUguY!jsVD6bkUUnjpF4d8AeRUKyiCW6qk8LAqFsjdYW5cjAK-kOsMp32O4FfrPI5l > 1lqnTNp6sXQsHpX35FsPAzYDMIHhl-u9z1M8kw$ > Don't be mean. You don't have to be mean > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vintagecomputer.net/altair-poptronics.cfm__;!!AQdq3sQhfUj4q8uUguY!jsVD6bkUUnjpF4d8AeRUKyiCW6qk8LAqFsjdYW5cjAK-kOsMp32O4FfrPI5l1lqnTNp6sXQsHpX35FsPAzYDMIHhl-uUDVte_w$ (Jan and Feb)
[cctalk] Re: Altair 8800 50th birthday...
On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, 2:08 PM The Doctor via cctalk wrote: > > On Saturday, April 27th, 2024 at 07:14, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Magazine cover january, and into 1975 the revolution. So I'd say all > > > > I had that magazine. Wish I hadn't thrown it away oh so many > > years ago. > > This one? > > https://archive.org/details/197511PopularElectronics > > The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510] > WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ > Don't be mean. You don't have to be mean > https://vintagecomputer.net/altair-poptronics.cfm (Jan and Feb) >
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On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 11:53 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Magazine cover january, and into 1975 the revolution. So I'd say all > year. Not one specific date > Bill > > On Sat, Apr 27, 2024, 12:05 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote: > > > On Fri, 26 Apr 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > > > It really is a momentous event, and should be properly honored and > > > celebrated. Wow, half a century. > > > Thanks for bringing this up. > > > > Is this half a century from when they said, "Hey, you know what would be > > neat to build?" > > or from when they started designing? > > or got a preliminary design done? > > built a prototype? > > announced it? > > started taking orders? > > started filling orders? > > > > Fred > In my experience, talking with many older computer people during the earlier years that I began collecting in earnest (late 90s, early 00s), their introduction to computing came by way of buying and building an Altair 8800 kit based on the cover of the January 1975 issue of Popular Electronics, or at least being captivated by it. I call it the Big Bang of the Microcomputer Era. Sellam
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Me too !Also another Issue where computer company publicized their private researched architecture in the ad on the back page in simplified form. Woops !!! Original message From: The Doctor via cctalk Date: 4/29/24 11:12 AM (GMT-06:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Cc: The Doctor Subject: [cctalk] Re: Altair 8800 50th birthday... On Saturday, April 27th, 2024 at 07:14, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:> > Magazine cover january, and into 1975 the revolution. So I'd say all> > I had that magazine. Wish I hadn't thrown it away oh so many> years ago.This one?https://archive.org/details/197511PopularElectronicsThe Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510]WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/Don't be mean. You don't have to be mean.
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On Saturday, April 27th, 2024 at 07:14, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > Magazine cover january, and into 1975 the revolution. So I'd say all > > I had that magazine. Wish I hadn't thrown it away oh so many > years ago. This one? https://archive.org/details/197511PopularElectronics The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510] WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ Don't be mean. You don't have to be mean.
[cctalk] Re: Altair 8800 50th birthday...
The Altair 8800 used a microprocessor, the 8080, and came to public prominence in Jan. 1975 in Popular Electronics magazine: "World's First Minicomptuer Kit to Rival Commercial Models." I have the original magazine from that era and I remember this quite well as it brought attention to a mass-consumer audience - a device called a microcomputer though not what PE called it! Here in Canada the price was very expensive but I had a dear friend, an electronics engineer, who purchased one. It was very limited, hardware and software-wise, and my friend found it a ‘nightmare’ to build but what a momentous reward when it finally worked. To this 23 year-old it certainly sparked my interest with what we now call classical computing. Happy computing all. On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 11:53 AM Tarek Hoteit via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I managed to find and buy a fair copy of the magazine on eBay for $150 two > weeks ago. > > Regards, > Tarek Hoteit, PhD > Principal AI Consultant > https://tarek.computer > > INFOCOM AI https://infocom.ai > > > > On Apr 27, 2024, at 07:42, wh.sudbrink--- via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > I'm sorry to hear that. Some of the best parts of my S100 collection > came to me by way of either "please take care of this for me" or "come get > this or it goes to the dump". Remember the old "classic computer rescue > list"? I suppose I've been fortunate that I have had storage space and a > sympathetic spouse. > >On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 10:14:35 AM EDT, Bill Gunshannon via > cctalk wrote: > > > > > > > >> On 4/27/2024 7:43 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > >> Magazine cover january, and into 1975 the revolution. So I'd say all > >> year. Not one specific date > > > > I had that magazine. Wish I hadn't thrown it away oh so many > > years ago. > > > > But even at that, nothing for me to celebrate. I couldn't afford > > one then and I still can't afford one. The same goes for the > > IMSAI-8080. And the Heath H-8 falls into the same category. :-( > > > > bill > > >
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I managed to find and buy a fair copy of the magazine on eBay for $150 two weeks ago. Regards, Tarek Hoteit, PhD Principal AI Consultant https://tarek.computer INFOCOM AI https://infocom.ai > On Apr 27, 2024, at 07:42, wh.sudbrink--- via cctalk > wrote: > > I'm sorry to hear that. Some of the best parts of my S100 collection came > to me by way of either "please take care of this for me" or "come get this or > it goes to the dump". Remember the old "classic computer rescue list"? I > suppose I've been fortunate that I have had storage space and a sympathetic > spouse. >On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 10:14:35 AM EDT, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: > > > >> On 4/27/2024 7:43 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: >> Magazine cover january, and into 1975 the revolution. So I'd say all >> year. Not one specific date > > I had that magazine. Wish I hadn't thrown it away oh so many > years ago. > > But even at that, nothing for me to celebrate. I couldn't afford > one then and I still can't afford one. The same goes for the > IMSAI-8080. And the Heath H-8 falls into the same category. :-( > > bill >
[cctalk] Re: Altair 8800 50th birthday...
I'm sorry to hear that. Some of the best parts of my S100 collection came to me by way of either "please take care of this for me" or "come get this or it goes to the dump". Remember the old "classic computer rescue list"? I suppose I've been fortunate that I have had storage space and a sympathetic spouse. On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 10:14:35 AM EDT, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 4/27/2024 7:43 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > Magazine cover january, and into 1975 the revolution. So I'd say all > year. Not one specific date I had that magazine. Wish I hadn't thrown it away oh so many years ago. But even at that, nothing for me to celebrate. I couldn't afford one then and I still can't afford one. The same goes for the IMSAI-8080. And the Heath H-8 falls into the same category. :-( bill
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On 4/27/2024 7:43 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: Magazine cover january, and into 1975 the revolution. So I'd say all year. Not one specific date I had that magazine. Wish I hadn't thrown it away oh so many years ago. But even at that, nothing for me to celebrate. I couldn't afford one then and I still can't afford one. The same goes for the IMSAI-8080. And the Heath H-8 falls into the same category. :-( bill
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Magazine cover january, and into 1975 the revolution. So I'd say all year. Not one specific date Bill On Sat, Apr 27, 2024, 12:05 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Fri, 26 Apr 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > > It really is a momentous event, and should be properly honored and > > celebrated. Wow, half a century. > > Thanks for bringing this up. > > Is this half a century from when they said, "Hey, you know what would be > neat to build?" > or from when they started designing? > or got a preliminary design done? > built a prototype? > announced it? > started taking orders? > started filling orders? > >
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Mr. Solomon started talking to Mr. Roberts and Mr. Yates about the Altair project. What could and could not be done given budget, availability of parts, complexity of construction, etc. What the potential market would look like. And, maybe most importantly, the promotion of the project in Popular Electronics. On Saturday, April 27, 2024 at 12:05:57 AM EDT, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: On Fri, 26 Apr 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > It really is a momentous event, and should be properly honored and > celebrated. Wow, half a century. > Thanks for bringing this up. Is this half a century from when they said, "Hey, you know what would be neat to build?" or from when they started designing? or got a preliminary design done? built a prototype? announced it? started taking orders? started filling orders?
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On Fri, 26 Apr 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: It really is a momentous event, and should be properly honored and celebrated. Wow, half a century. Thanks for bringing this up. Is this half a century from when they said, "Hey, you know what would be neat to build?" or from when they started designing? or got a preliminary design done? built a prototype? announced it? started taking orders? started filling orders?
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On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 9:26 AM William Sudbrink via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Based on what I have read, along with a few discussions I have had with > people involved in the early S-100 "scene" around now is the 50th birthday > (or conception day) of the Altair 8800. Certainly, next year could > properly > be called its 50th birthday. Anyway, I'm thinking about "painting the show > blue" with Altairs and IMSAIs for the next few vintage computer festivals. > Anyone else interested? > > Bill S. > Hi Bill. It really is a momentous event, and should be properly honored and celebrated. Wow, half a century. Thanks for bringing this up. Sellam
