[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
Clean the connectors and reseat the socketed chips and it will probably work. > On Apr 11, 2024, at 1:55 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: > > > > One last shot. > > I have an RX Floppy disk unit. Worked fine until one > time the last time I had it hooked up and after about > an hour it just stopped responding. All I get now is > the well known click-click on init and then nothing. I > am sure it is repairable either by troubleshooting or > just buying another boardset. > > Anybody interested? I imagine a number of people here > will be driving by not far from my home on their way back > from VCF. > > bill
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
One last shot. I have an RX Floppy disk unit. Worked fine until one time the last time I had it hooked up and after about an hour it just stopped responding. All I get now is the well known click-click on init and then nothing. I am sure it is repairable either by troubleshooting or just buying another boardset. Anybody interested? I imagine a number of people here will be driving by not far from my home on their way back from VCF. bill
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
> You can list them for whatever you want, and if you are lucky someone might pay it. I always assumed that the eBay listings that sold for obviously ridiculous amounts are money laundering schemes. On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 1:15 PM David Wade via cctalk wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2024 3:24 PM > > To: Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > > Cc: Bill Gunshannon > > Subject: [cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again > > > > > > > > On 3/23/2024 11:16 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > > > > > > > > Here's something operators of older systems might find useful. > > > > > > Allied Telesis CentreCOM 210TS Twisted Pair Transciever > > > IEE 802.3 10 BASE-T (MAU) > > > > > > I have 14 used and another 14 still in the box, never been opened. > > > > > > > > > Wow!!! Maybe I should try eBay again. I was going to let > > them go for $20-$25 but I according to google they are listing for $180 > to $250. > > :-) > > > > bill > > You can list them for whatever you want, and if you are lucky someone > might pay it. > On the other hand, the most one has sold for on E-Bay in the past 90 days > is $50 so if you want to sell them $20-$25 seems a good price point > .. and there is one currently listed for $9.99... > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/326023934007 > > ... I think I paid around $30 for the last one I bought but it was a while > ago... > > Dave > G4UGM >
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On Thu, 4 Apr 2024, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Well, The SoftCard and the Language Card (why did they call it that?) both go for $100 a piece. The one is a IIe, not a \\e. Was that "IIe", "][e", or "//e"? There are some on eBay now for more than $2000. I wouldn't expect that but I do find it interesting that all the stuff I have is worthless unless someone else is selling it. :-) Speculation: The "Language Card" could be populated with a fancy BASIC (what Kurtz and Kemeny called "street BASIC"), OR COULD BE, at least in theory, populated with other languages, hence the name "Language Card". I am not aware of any successful examples of it ever being populated with anything other than BASIC. The "Soft Card" was Microsoft's first significant venture into hardware. It was incredibly successful, and Microsoft's largest revenue source in 1980. At one point, somebody at Apple said that 20% of AppleII owners had one. "The SoftCard was Paul Allen's idea.[5] Its original purpose was to simplify porting Microsoft's computer-language products to the Apple II.[6] The SoftCard was developed by Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer Products (SCP). SCP built prototypes,[7] Don Burtis of Burtronix redesigned the card, and California Computer Systems manufactured it for Microsoft.[8] Unsure whether the card would sell, Microsoft first demonstrated it publicly at the West Coast Computer Faire in March 1980.[2][" - Wikipedia It had a Z80, and a copy of CP/M. I suspect that the name "Soft Card" might be due to its intent to open the Apple to CP/M SOFTware, particularly software that Micorsoft had originally written in 8080/Z80. There were rumors that an IBM person had one in a personal Apple, and that that caused IBM, when they went to Microsoft for BASIC, to assume that they could get CP/M (CP/M-86) through Microsoft. When Microsoft sent them to DRI for CP/M, IBM and DRI had a "culture clash" and IBM went back to Microsoft (long story, with some disagreements about details) -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 2:25 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > It depends on the model. Typically an Apple ][ of any model sells for > > $100-$250, depending on accessories and configuration. Unless you have a > > straight Apple ][ (and not Plus, as I'm assuming), what you describe > sounds > > like a $250-$300 ][+ system, and $400-$450 for the //e. Give or take > eBay > > markup. > > > > Well, The SoftCard and the Language Card (why did they call it that?) > both go for $100 a piece. The one is a IIe, not a \\e. There are > some on eBay now for more than $2000. I wouldn't expect that but I > do find it interesting that all the stuff I have is worthless unless > someone else is selling it. :-) > That's not how it works but it sounds like you got it figured out. Sellam
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On 4/4/2024 3:49 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 10:20 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: Not really sure I want to get rid of them yet, but what do Apple II's go for nowadays? I have an Apple II with 2 Disk II's and a language card. I also have an Apple IIe with three external disk cards and 2 3.5" drives and 3 5.25" drives. It also has a Microsoft Soft Card for running CP/M. And I have the docs and disks. bill It depends on the model. Typically an Apple ][ of any model sells for $100-$250, depending on accessories and configuration. Unless you have a straight Apple ][ (and not Plus, as I'm assuming), what you describe sounds like a $250-$300 ][+ system, and $400-$450 for the //e. Give or take eBay markup. Well, The SoftCard and the Language Card (why did they call it that?) both go for $100 a piece. The one is a IIe, not a \\e. There are some on eBay now for more than $2000. I wouldn't expect that but I do find it interesting that all the stuff I have is worthless unless someone else is selling it. :-) bill
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 10:20 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Not really sure I want to get rid of them yet, but what do Apple II's > go for nowadays? I have an Apple II with 2 Disk II's and a language > card. I also have an Apple IIe with three external disk cards and > 2 3.5" drives and 3 5.25" drives. It also has a Microsoft Soft Card > for running CP/M. And I have the docs and disks. > > bill > It depends on the model. Typically an Apple ][ of any model sells for $100-$250, depending on accessories and configuration. Unless you have a straight Apple ][ (and not Plus, as I'm assuming), what you describe sounds like a $250-$300 ][+ system, and $400-$450 for the //e. Give or take eBay markup. Sellam
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
Hi Bill. I would be interested in the rz28 drives. They would work on my Alpha. I live in the Los Angeles area though so i would need shipping. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2024, at 12:14, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: > > > > On 4/4/2024 2:39 PM, Zane Healy wrote: On Apr 4, 2024, at 8:05 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: >>> >>> 7 - 230M Carts (one labeled RSTS V10) >> Is the RSTS/E disk something that needs to be preserved? > > Not by me. And I created it. Not sure if it was from an 11/44, > 11/73 or 11/23 but it dates back to when Mentec gave me a license > to run PDP-11 OSes at the University. As a matter of fact, I see > where I still have the TK50 and 9-track install tapes. > > bill > > >
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On 4/4/2024 2:39 PM, Zane Healy wrote: On Apr 4, 2024, at 8:05 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: 7 - 230M Carts (one labeled RSTS V10) Is the RSTS/E disk something that needs to be preserved? Not by me. And I created it. Not sure if it was from an 11/44, 11/73 or 11/23 but it dates back to when Mentec gave me a license to run PDP-11 OSes at the University. As a matter of fact, I see where I still have the TK50 and 9-track install tapes. bill
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
> On Apr 4, 2024, at 8:05 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: > > 7 - 230M Carts (one labeled RSTS V10) Is the RSTS/E disk something that needs to be preserved? Zane
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
What were the brand new DEC disks? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2024, at 10:53, Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > Apple II's go for a lot. The iie a lot less. Compare the original cbm Pet > with later Pets > Bill > >> On Thu, Apr 4, 2024, 1:20 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Not really sure I want to get rid of them yet, but what do Apple II's >> go for nowadays? I have an Apple II with 2 Disk II's and a language >> card. I also have an Apple IIe with three external disk cards and >> 2 3.5" drives and 3 5.25" drives. It also has a Microsoft Soft Card >> for running CP/M. And I have the docs and disks. >> >> bill >>
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
Apple II's go for a lot. The iie a lot less. Compare the original cbm Pet with later Pets Bill On Thu, Apr 4, 2024, 1:20 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > Not really sure I want to get rid of them yet, but what do Apple II's > go for nowadays? I have an Apple II with 2 Disk II's and a language > card. I also have an Apple IIe with three external disk cards and > 2 3.5" drives and 3 5.25" drives. It also has a Microsoft Soft Card > for running CP/M. And I have the docs and disks. > > bill >
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On 4/4/24 09:54, CAREY SCHUG wrote: > my syquests say 135 mb, though IIRC that must be raw, because useable was a > more even number, like 125mb, which the formatting program agreed with. I > made it my c: drive on my I386 pc so I could switch operating systems before > virtualization. I was pissed that though os/2 said it would install on 125 > MB, it actually meant OVER 125 MB and would not install. > The EZ 135 was yet a different format, succeeded by the EZ Flyer 230 MB. Lower-priced versions of the cartridge drives I mentioned--and utterly incompatible. Then there was the ill-fated 1GB SyQest SparQ drive, available, AFAIK, only in parallel printer port version (a big mistake). I still have one in original bubble-pack. I don't know if I ever bothered to see if it works. It was pretty clear at that time that SyQuest was in a losing position. --Chuck
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
Not really sure I want to get rid of them yet, but what do Apple II's go for nowadays? I have an Apple II with 2 Disk II's and a language card. I also have an Apple IIe with three external disk cards and 2 3.5" drives and 3 5.25" drives. It also has a Microsoft Soft Card for running CP/M. And I have the docs and disks. bill
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On 4/4/2024 11:05 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: One more list before I give up. Anybody interested in Iomega drive? I have: 2 - 90 Pro 2 - 150 Multidisk and somewhere here I have a 230M but I haven't come across it yet. To go along with them I have: 4 - 90M Carts 3 - 150M Carts (one labeled Windows NT) 7 - 230M Carts (one labeled RSTS V10) I also have shoe boxes if SIMMS and DIMMS some going back to the Sparc Pizza boxes. I also have piles of IDE drives that range from the days when you had "disk types" for the PC Bios up to GB sizes. Also, CD drives including a bunch of various laptop models. I have piles of other stuff, too, but I am not going to bother listing as I thought the most valuable were the brand new DEC disks and the SB shelves but they apparently aren't worth a thing. Found the 230 drive. Actually two of them. And both in external boxes. bill
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
my syquests say 135 mb, though IIRC that must be raw, because useable was a more even number, like 125mb, which the formatting program agreed with. I made it my c: drive on my I386 pc so I could switch operating systems before virtualization. I was pissed that though os/2 said it would install on 125 MB, it actually meant OVER 125 MB and would not install. --Carey > On 04/04/2024 11:47 AM CDT Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > > On 4/4/24 09:27, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > > > > Was there any other kind? > > > > Oh yeah, I also have one marketed for use on the Mac. It says 88M > > on the front. > > Zip, Jazall Iomega. The Zips were 100MB, 250MB and 750MB. The Jaz > was 1 GB and 2 GB, if memory serves. > > The 88M sounds like a SyQuest drive--very popular in the 90s with the > Mac crowd. Pretty much unknown in the PC world. 44M 88M and 200M, > after which SyQuest went toes-up. > > Chuck
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On 4/4/24 09:27, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > Was there any other kind? > > Oh yeah, I also have one marketed for use on the Mac. It says 88M > on the front. Zip, Jazall Iomega. The Zips were 100MB, 250MB and 750MB. The Jaz was 1 GB and 2 GB, if memory serves. The 88M sounds like a SyQuest drive--very popular in the 90s with the Mac crowd. Pretty much unknown in the PC world. 44M 88M and 200M, after which SyQuest went toes-up. Chuck
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On 4/4/2024 11:36 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 4/4/24 08:05, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: One more list before I give up. Anybody interested in Iomega drive? I have: 2 - 90 Pro 2 - 150 Multidisk and somewhere here I have a 230M but I haven't come across it yet. To go along with them I have: 4 - 90M Carts 3 - 150M Carts (one labeled Windows NT) 7 - 230M Carts (one labeled RSTS V10) I also have shoe boxes if SIMMS and DIMMS some going back to the Sparc Pizza boxes. Just to be clear, Bill, these are the 5.25" Bernoulli drives, right? Was there any other kind? Oh yeah, I also have one marketed for use on the Mac. It says 88M on the front. bill
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On 4/4/24 08:05, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > One more list before I give up. > > Anybody interested in Iomega drive? > > I have: > 2 - 90 Pro > 2 - 150 Multidisk > and somewhere here I have a 230M but I haven't come across it yet. > > To go along with them I have: > 4 - 90M Carts > 3 - 150M Carts (one labeled Windows NT) > 7 - 230M Carts (one labeled RSTS V10) > > I also have shoe boxes if SIMMS and DIMMS some going back to > the Sparc Pizza boxes. > Just to be clear, Bill, these are the 5.25" Bernoulli drives, right? --Chuck
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
One more list before I give up. Anybody interested in Iomega drive? I have: 2 - 90 Pro 2 - 150 Multidisk and somewhere here I have a 230M but I haven't come across it yet. To go along with them I have: 4 - 90M Carts 3 - 150M Carts (one labeled Windows NT) 7 - 230M Carts (one labeled RSTS V10) I also have shoe boxes if SIMMS and DIMMS some going back to the Sparc Pizza boxes. I also have piles of IDE drives that range from the days when you had "disk types" for the PC Bios up to GB sizes. Also, CD drives including a bunch of various laptop models. I have piles of other stuff, too, but I am not going to bother listing as I thought the most valuable were the brand new DEC disks and the SB shelves but they apparently aren't worth a thing. bill
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On 3/26/24 20:47, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk wrote: if you ever get a request to forense a raid for Solaris, take whatever $$ they offer you. just plug 'em in anywhere, diff controllers, different sequence, no matter. they have fingerprints, the os will figure out and mount the raid, including recovery mode if one is missing. I did a recovery on a ReadyNAS device created on the original Netgear devices which used the mini sparc linux. unfortunately the raid array software they used there had 4k setup, and at the time the Linux on i86 was all 512 byte block sized. though the original reason i favored ReadyNAS was because they used Linux instead of some proprietary raid chip which might or might not be supported, the 4k vs 512 byte took some doing. it didn't "just work" at all. And Netgear discontinued the Sparc version in favor of x86 and the problem subsequently went away. The problem was by the way that the recovery scan stalled on real small physical defect block areas. I had to go in and manually map out the files with the errors, which were luckily not ones I required as had other copies, but Netgear didn't fix the problem on the original boxes. They could recover if you could replace an entire disk, but when there was a small defect, nope. thanks Jim BTW the recovery at the time required building a driver I found and adding it to the kernel. Not a fun or quick task.
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
if you ever get a request to forense a raid for Solaris, take whatever $$ they offer you. just plug 'em in anywhere, diff controllers, different sequence, no matter. they have fingerprints, the os will figure out and mount the raid, including recovery mode if one is missing. --Carey > On 03/26/2024 8:29 PM CDT steve shumaker via cctalk > wrote: > > > Yep. That's been a problem for decades although it's slowly improving > as even the smaller departments realize it and fund serious training. > Meantime, yes, one needs to approach getting involved with those folks > with some degree of caution. > > Steve > Special Agent, (ret) > > On 3/26/24 12:22 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > > >> On Mar 26, 2024, at 2:59 PM, steve shumaker via > >> cctalk wrote: > >> > >> and, if you inquire in the right places, there is law enforcement focused > >> forensic analysis software specifically designed to acquire RAID volumes > >> and rebuild the data. > >> > >> Steve > > Yes, though from the one time I encountered that use case I have my doubts > > about it. I was asked to help with such a forensic analysis case, and the > > person I worked with started by asking me about the "BIOS settings" on our > > SAN array, and whether the setting was "left to right" or "right to left". > > For some reason, that person could not cope with answers like "we don't > > have a BIOS" and "neither left-to-right nor right-to-left". Once I hit > > that road block I decided not even to bother mentioning that our SAN device > > included page based virtualization. Never did hear anything further. :-) > > > > paul > >
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
Yep. That's been a problem for decades although it's slowly improving as even the smaller departments realize it and fund serious training. Meantime, yes, one needs to approach getting involved with those folks with some degree of caution. Steve Special Agent, (ret) On 3/26/24 12:22 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Mar 26, 2024, at 2:59 PM, steve shumaker via cctalk wrote: and, if you inquire in the right places, there is law enforcement focused forensic analysis software specifically designed to acquire RAID volumes and rebuild the data. Steve Yes, though from the one time I encountered that use case I have my doubts about it. I was asked to help with such a forensic analysis case, and the person I worked with started by asking me about the "BIOS settings" on our SAN array, and whether the setting was "left to right" or "right to left". For some reason, that person could not cope with answers like "we don't have a BIOS" and "neither left-to-right nor right-to-left". Once I hit that road block I decided not even to bother mentioning that our SAN device included page based virtualization. Never did hear anything further. :-) paul
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
> On Mar 26, 2024, at 2:59 PM, steve shumaker via cctalk > wrote: > > and, if you inquire in the right places, there is law enforcement focused > forensic analysis software specifically designed to acquire RAID volumes and > rebuild the data. > > Steve Yes, though from the one time I encountered that use case I have my doubts about it. I was asked to help with such a forensic analysis case, and the person I worked with started by asking me about the "BIOS settings" on our SAN array, and whether the setting was "left to right" or "right to left". For some reason, that person could not cope with answers like "we don't have a BIOS" and "neither left-to-right nor right-to-left". Once I hit that road block I decided not even to bother mentioning that our SAN device included page based virtualization. Never did hear anything further. :-) paul
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
and, if you inquire in the right places, there is law enforcement focused forensic analysis software specifically designed to acquire RAID volumes and rebuild the data. Steve On 3/26/24 9:48 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: On Mar 26, 2024, at 10:08 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 3/26/2024 9:15 AM, Paul Koning wrote: On Mar 26, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: ... Do you have just part of the RAID set, or enough disks to make a complete one? Don't know, but doubt it. Some of the disks have probably been used for other purposes since the VAXen went away more than 20 years ago. If the latter then it's a matter of reverse engineering the RAID layout, which is likely to be doable. While possible, I think hardly likely. I don't even remember what the appliance was. Something DECish. Chances are those were classic RAID systems, with fixed layouts across much of the RAID set (not "mapped RAID") exposing what looks like a regular device LUN (no page based virtualization). If so, there is only a limited set of possibilities, basically a question of stripe sizes, drive count, and drive order. Given a guess (or better) of what's on it, such as what file system type, the right layout would be clear from the fact that it produces valid content. It would be a pain to try this with modern complex SAN devices, but with those of 30+ years ago it's not quite so bad. paul
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
> On Mar 26, 2024, at 10:08 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: > > > > > On 3/26/2024 9:15 AM, Paul Koning wrote: >>> On Mar 26, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk >>> wrote: >>> ... >> Do you have just part of the RAID set, or enough disks to make a complete >> one? > > Don't know, but doubt it. Some of the disks have probably been used > for other purposes since the VAXen went away more than 20 years ago. > >> If the latter then it's a matter of reverse engineering the RAID layout, >> which is likely to be doable. > > While possible, I think hardly likely. I don't even remember what the > appliance was. Something DECish. Chances are those were classic RAID systems, with fixed layouts across much of the RAID set (not "mapped RAID") exposing what looks like a regular device LUN (no page based virtualization). If so, there is only a limited set of possibilities, basically a question of stripe sizes, drive count, and drive order. Given a guess (or better) of what's on it, such as what file system type, the right layout would be clear from the fact that it produces valid content. It would be a pain to try this with modern complex SAN devices, but with those of 30+ years ago it's not quite so bad. paul
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> On Mar 26, 2024, at 8:57 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: > > > > On 3/25/2024 9:51 PM, Henry Bent wrote: >> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 at 20:14, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk >> mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: >>Oops. I guess the fingers work as good as the memory. Sorry >>about that. I've got about 20 of them. I know they haven't >>been used since they were taken out of the VAX Cluster I ran >>at the University. Nothing I have used the SB boxes with since >>then would know what to do with 9GB of disk space. :-) >>But, if needed I could probably test them on a PC I have with >>an Adaptec SCSI in it. It's intended for Ersatz-11 but I expect >>does could use a disk that big. Too bad there's no way to read >>them. Might be some interesting stuff left behind by the VAX. >> Why is there no way to read them? If you have a PC with a SCSI card you can >> easily boot into the Linux or BSD distro of your choice and make a dd (or >> ddrescue) image of the entire drive, which could then be accessed by >> whatever means. > > > These disks were part of a really large RAID array in a SAN connected to > the VAX cluster. There is no way of reconstructing it and so no way to > extract usable information. > > bill Do you have just part of the RAID set, or enough disks to make a complete one? If the latter then it's a matter of reverse engineering the RAID layout, which is likely to be doable. paul
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On 3/25/2024 9:51 PM, Henry Bent wrote: On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 at 20:14, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: Oops. I guess the fingers work as good as the memory. Sorry about that. I've got about 20 of them. I know they haven't been used since they were taken out of the VAX Cluster I ran at the University. Nothing I have used the SB boxes with since then would know what to do with 9GB of disk space. :-) But, if needed I could probably test them on a PC I have with an Adaptec SCSI in it. It's intended for Ersatz-11 but I expect does could use a disk that big. Too bad there's no way to read them. Might be some interesting stuff left behind by the VAX. Why is there no way to read them? If you have a PC with a SCSI card you can easily boot into the Linux or BSD distro of your choice and make a dd (or ddrescue) image of the entire drive, which could then be accessed by whatever means. These disks were part of a really large RAID array in a SAN connected to the VAX cluster. There is no way of reconstructing it and so no way to extract usable information. bill
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 at 20:14, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Oops. I guess the fingers work as good as the memory. Sorry > about that. I've got about 20 of them. I know they haven't > been used since they were taken out of the VAX Cluster I ran > at the University. Nothing I have used the SB boxes with since > then would know what to do with 9GB of disk space. :-) > But, if needed I could probably test them on a PC I have with > an Adaptec SCSI in it. It's intended for Ersatz-11 but I expect > does could use a disk that big. Too bad there's no way to read > them. Might be some interesting stuff left behind by the VAX. > Why is there no way to read them? If you have a PC with a SCSI card you can easily boot into the Linux or BSD distro of your choice and make a dd (or ddrescue) image of the entire drive, which could then be accessed by whatever means. -Henry
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On 3/25/2024 6:19 PM, Henry Bent via cctalk wrote: On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 at 18:05, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: Is there a manufacturer's equivalent number for an RX-1DB? I believe that Bill was referring to the RZ1DB, which is a 9.1GB Quantum Atlas II. Oops. I guess the fingers work as good as the memory. Sorry about that. I've got about 20 of them. I know they haven't been used since they were taken out of the VAX Cluster I ran at the University. Nothing I have used the SB boxes with since then would know what to do with 9GB of disk space. :-) But, if needed I could probably test them on a PC I have with an Adaptec SCSI in it. It's intended for Ersatz-11 but I expect does could use a disk that big. Too bad there's no way to read them. Might be some interesting stuff left behind by the VAX. bill
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 at 18:05, Mike Stein via cctalk wrote: > Is there a manufacturer's equivalent number for an RX-1DB? > I believe that Bill was referring to the RZ1DB, which is a 9.1GB Quantum Atlas II. -Henry
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
Is there a manufacturer's equivalent number for an RX-1DB? On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 1:49 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > In case it piques someone's interest, a number of the used disks > in the SB style carriers are 9GB RX1DB's . Even I had forgotten > that any of them were that big. Of course, the probably eliminates > their use on a PDP or VAX but they are still Ultra Wide SCSI if you > take them out of the box. :-) > > bill >
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
On 3/25/2024 1:49 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: In case it piques someone's interest, a number of the used disks in the SB style carriers are 9GB RX1DB's . Even I had forgotten that any of them were that big. Of course, the probably eliminates their use on a PDP or VAX but they are still Ultra Wide SCSI if you take them out of the box. :-) And, just for yocks I looked for them on the web. Amazing how many people are selling them with bogus specs like 10,000 RPM. :-) bill
[cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again
In case it piques someone's interest, a number of the used disks in the SB style carriers are 9GB RX1DB's . Even I had forgotten that any of them were that big. Of course, the probably eliminates their use on a PDP or VAX but they are still Ultra Wide SCSI if you take them out of the box. :-) bill
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> -Original Message- > From: Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2024 3:24 PM > To: Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > Cc: Bill Gunshannon > Subject: [cctalk] Re: Cleanup time again > > > > On 3/23/2024 11:16 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > > > > > Here's something operators of older systems might find useful. > > > > Allied Telesis CentreCOM 210TS Twisted Pair Transciever > > IEE 802.3 10 BASE-T (MAU) > > > > I have 14 used and another 14 still in the box, never been opened. > > > > > Wow!!! Maybe I should try eBay again. I was going to let > them go for $20-$25 but I according to google they are listing for $180 to > $250. > :-) > > bill You can list them for whatever you want, and if you are lucky someone might pay it. On the other hand, the most one has sold for on E-Bay in the past 90 days is $50 so if you want to sell them $20-$25 seems a good price point .. and there is one currently listed for $9.99... https://www.ebay.com/itm/326023934007 ... I think I paid around $30 for the last one I bought but it was a while ago... Dave G4UGM
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> On Mar 23, 2024, at 11:16 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Here's something operators of older systems might find useful. > > Allied Telesis CentreCOM 210TS Twisted Pair Transciever > IEE 802.3 10 BASE-T (MAU) > > I have 14 used and another 14 still in the box, never been opened. > > bill Nice. FWIW, 10BaseT transceivers are still made, for example https://www.l-com.com/ethernet-converters-l-com-10baset-to-t-aui-ethernet-transceiver and https://www.omnitron-systems.com/product-families/flexpoint-unmanaged-media-converters/flexpoint-ethernet-copper-to-fiber-media-converters/flexpoint-10aui-t paul
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> On Mar 23, 2024, at 9:42 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk > wrote: > > On 23/03/2024 15:56, Henry Bent via cctalk wrote >> You have to look at sold listings to get an idea of what they are actually >> selling for. There are many, shall we say, overly ambitious sellers when >> it comes to vintage hardware. >> >> https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?kw=210ts+transciever=20004_Sold=1_Complete=1 >> >> Looks like $20 is about the going rate. >> >> -Henry > > > The first hit on ebay.co.uk is £399, so I sense an arbitrage opportunity :-) > It may take a while to sell, but I'm patient ! You just need one impatient buyer. Normally I’m a patient buyer, some stuff I’ve spent years watching for. OTOH, that also means I miss out on a few items when the seller doesn’t drop the price, and they’re the only seller. Zane
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On 23/03/2024 15:56, Henry Bent via cctalk wrote You have to look at sold listings to get an idea of what they are actually selling for. There are many, shall we say, overly ambitious sellers when it comes to vintage hardware. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?kw=210ts+transciever=20004_Sold=1_Complete=1 Looks like $20 is about the going rate. -Henry The first hit on ebay.co.uk is £399, so I sense an arbitrage opportunity :-) It may take a while to sell, but I'm patient ! Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 at 11:24, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > On 3/23/2024 11:16 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > > > > > Here's something operators of older systems might find useful. > > > > Allied Telesis CentreCOM 210TS Twisted Pair Transciever > > IEE 802.3 10 BASE-T (MAU) > > > > I have 14 used and another 14 still in the box, never been opened. > > > > > Wow!!! Maybe I should try eBay again. I was going to let > them go for $20-$25 but I according to google they are listing > for $180 to $250. :-) > You have to look at sold listings to get an idea of what they are actually selling for. There are many, shall we say, overly ambitious sellers when it comes to vintage hardware. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?kw=210ts+transciever=20004_Sold=1_Complete=1 Looks like $20 is about the going rate. -Henry
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Free trade agreement doesn’t mean it’s free to send things, man. It means you don’t pay import/export tariffs. > On Mar 22, 2024, at 21:29, jim stephens via cctalk > wrote: > (free trade agreement Us <--> Canada, nope).
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what am I missing? I thought I put your item in search and found this: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2334524.m570.l1313&_nkw=Allied+Telesis+CentreCOM+210TS+Twisted+Pair+Transciever&_sacat=0&_odkw=photo+scanner+innovative&_osacat=0 going for $10 and up (not sold) this $10 item I think I have stacks of too. --Carey > On 03/23/2024 10:23 AM CDT Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: > > > On 3/23/2024 11:16 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: > > > > > > Here's something operators of older systems might find useful. > > > > Allied Telesis CentreCOM 210TS Twisted Pair Transciever > > IEE 802.3 10 BASE-T (MAU) > > > > I have 14 used and another 14 still in the box, never been opened. > > > > > Wow!!! Maybe I should try eBay again. I was going to let > them go for $20-$25 but I according to google they are listing > for $180 to $250. :-) > > bill
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On 3/23/2024 11:16 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: Here's something operators of older systems might find useful. Allied Telesis CentreCOM 210TS Twisted Pair Transciever IEE 802.3 10 BASE-T (MAU) I have 14 used and another 14 still in the box, never been opened. Wow!!! Maybe I should try eBay again. I was going to let them go for $20-$25 but I according to google they are listing for $180 to $250. :-) bill
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Here's something operators of older systems might find useful. Allied Telesis CentreCOM 210TS Twisted Pair Transciever IEE 802.3 10 BASE-T (MAU) I have 14 used and another 14 still in the box, never been opened. bill
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On 3/21/24 19:28, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: And if the cost of shipping is more than the cost of the item I stop at that point. I recently paid $5 for a Visara terminal box, paid 45 to have it shipped from Canada. (free trade agreement Us <--> Canada, nope). Anyway, won't second guess on what the buyer wants to pay vs shipping. Also isn't there a scam that Ebay uses to supply underwritten lower shipping costs? Or is it exclusive to big sellers? Out of touch with that. However have seen varying versions of that on different platforms. The guy who sold the terminal made no comment, too his 5iver and sent it along. And since I have a pile of these terminals, I'm happy to get it. thanks Jim
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On 3/21/2024 6:52 PM, mark audacity romberg via cctalk wrote: Why are you paying for postage as an eBay seller? Buyer paying postage is the standard. At sub $20 they aren't worth the effort. It would cost more than that in postage. And if the cost of shipping is more than the cost of the item I stop at that point. As another note, back when I tried to be an eBay seller, I had eBay refuse to let me sell things claiming I was asking too much for postage. Being as the only shipping method I ever used was the USPS "if it fits it ships" which seemed to be pretty much the cheapest method I could find. It seemed they wanted me to subsidize the shipping myself. I gave up trying. bill
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On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 4:52 PM Ali via cctalk wrote: > > Why are you paying for postage as an eBay seller? Buyer paying postage > > is the standard. > > > > I think Bill is just being a decent guy and saying that it would cost more > to ship it out then the item would cost/be bought for (i.e. $20 for item, > $50 to ship) and how that wouldn't be nice or make sense for the buyer. > > But that is just a guess. > > -Ali > No, from what I saw, the average price was sub-$20 including shipping. It's easy enough to ship though: a quick wrap in some bubble wrap and throw it in a USPS standard sized Priority Mail box and out it goes. A quick $5-$10 for a few minutes of your time (if you're experienced at it). Sellam
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> Why are you paying for postage as an eBay seller? Buyer paying postage > is the standard. > I think Bill is just being a decent guy and saying that it would cost more to ship it out then the item would cost/be bought for (i.e. $20 for item, $50 to ship) and how that wouldn't be nice or make sense for the buyer. But that is just a guess. -Ali
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Why are you paying for postage as an eBay seller? Buyer paying postage is the standard. > At sub $20 they aren't worth the effort. It would > cost more than that in postage.
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Considering how high some prices are on eBay. I would rather something go to a good home at a lower price than help drive the prices up on ePay. On 3/21/2024 4:01 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 12:33 PM CAREY SCHUG via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: --does anybody want to comment on whether ebay prices are less, similar, or greater than at live VCFs? I have not made the effort to collect history. It depends, usually less. Sometimes the same or more. Sellam
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On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 12:33 PM CAREY SCHUG via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > --does anybody want to comment on whether ebay prices are less, similar, > or greater than at live VCFs? I have not made the effort to collect > history. > It depends, usually less. Sometimes the same or more. Sellam
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I assumed the checking ebay was to get a price. I do that all the time, but have never sold anything. --to see what they sold for over time, maybe the last few weeks they went for $50, but most of the time they go for $30, so if not in a hurry, I just keep bidding $30 till I get one. --does anybody want to comment on whether ebay prices are less, similar, or greater than at live VCFs? I have not made the effort to collect history. --Carey > On 03/21/2024 2:26 PM CDT Bill Gunshannon via cctalk > wrote: > > > On 3/21/2024 2:02 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:58 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > >> > >> Are Wacom CTE-430 tablets worth anything? > >> > >> bill > >> > > > > Bill, > > > > eBay is good for gauging interest and pricing out stuff like this. Recent > > sales there show there is at least general interest, and they seem to sell > > for sub-$20 each. > > > > As a buyer I have done well on eBay. As a seller all I ever did was > waste my time. At sub $20 they aren't worth the effort. It would > cost more than that in postage. > > How about an HP Scanjet IIcx scanner with SCSI interface. Other than > historical value probably not much interest there either. > > bill
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On 3/21/2024 2:02 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:58 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: Are Wacom CTE-430 tablets worth anything? bill Bill, eBay is good for gauging interest and pricing out stuff like this. Recent sales there show there is at least general interest, and they seem to sell for sub-$20 each. As a buyer I have done well on eBay. As a seller all I ever did was waste my time. At sub $20 they aren't worth the effort. It would cost more than that in postage. How about an HP Scanjet IIcx scanner with SCSI interface. Other than historical value probably not much interest there either. bill
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On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 10:58 AM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > Are Wacom CTE-430 tablets worth anything? > > bill > Bill, eBay is good for gauging interest and pricing out stuff like this. Recent sales there show there is at least general interest, and they seem to sell for sub-$20 each. Sellam
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Are Wacom CTE-430 tablets worth anything? bill
