[cctalk] IBM RT PC Manuals free for shipping

[steve shumaker via cctalk]

Any interest here before I post them to EPay?

Available for shipping cost from 95549:


IBM RT PC AIX OS Communications Guide 59X7668

IBM RT PC AIX OS Messages Reference 59X9115

IBM RT PC INED 59X7643

These are the classic early slipcase style manuals.  They are in 
pristine condition.   All three are 1985 "First Editions" of the pub.


I received them in an auction lot of of documents and have no need. 
Combined weight is ~13lbs.


Steve

[cctalk] Re: Shipping help in Brunswick, GA

[John Robertson via cctalk]

On 2022/11/06 8:37 p.m., John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote:
So, I screwed up and in my excitement to find a DEC BA123 chassis (and 
MVII parts) I bid on an Ebay auction where there is no shipping and 
it's "Local Pickup Only".  The problem is that I'm near Fort Worth TX 
and the MVII/BA123 is in Brunswick, GA and I don't really have the 
time to make the 2000+ mile round trip drive to pick it up.


Does anyone here know of a reliable shipping service in Brunswick, 
GA?  Or suggestions for outfits to check out?  Google hasn't shown me 
much other that UPS and FedEx stores.


Failing that, is there anyone near enough willing to pick it up in 
Brunswick that might want it for themselves?


Ebay listing  https://www.ebay.com/itm/334615827742?

If they can put it on a pallet then you can find a Freight Forwarder in 
the area that can arrange a pickup...


Or contact North American Van Lines (NAVL-Beltman) Michele Bianchi 
(630-344-3093) there arranges pickups of equipment (like arcade games 
for home owners) in similar situations. This service isn't as cheap as 
trucking would be from a Freight Forwarder.


Good luck!

John :-#)#

--
 John's Jukes Ltd.
7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3
Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games)
 flippers.com
 "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"

[cctalk] Re: Shipping help in Brunswick, GA

[Sellam Abraham via cctalk]

Back in the day, Forward Air was a good option with good rates ==>
https://www.forwardair.com/

I haven't used them in years though.  And someone will still have to
prepare it for freight shipment (i.e. palletize it).

Or, maybe visit your nearest truck stop and talk to some truckers and ask
how you could find someone who might want to bring the machine back to
Texas on a return trip for some agreed upon amount.

Or, you might try contacting the VCF Southeast folks for assistance.

Sellam

On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 8:46 PM John H. Reinhardt via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> So, I screwed up and in my excitement to find a DEC BA123 chassis (and
> MVII parts) I bid on an Ebay auction where there is no shipping and it's
> "Local Pickup Only".  The problem is that I'm near Fort Worth TX and the
> MVII/BA123 is in Brunswick, GA and I don't really have the time to make the
> 2000+ mile round trip drive to pick it up.
>
> Does anyone here know of a reliable shipping service in Brunswick, GA?  Or
> suggestions for outfits to check out?  Google hasn't shown me much other
> that UPS and FedEx stores.
>
> Failing that, is there anyone near enough willing to pick it up in
> Brunswick that might want it for themselves?
>
> Ebay listing  https://www.ebay.com/itm/334615827742?
>
> --
>
> John H. Reinhardt
>
>
>

[cctalk] Shipping help in Brunswick, GA

[John H. Reinhardt via cctalk]

So, I screwed up and in my excitement to find a DEC BA123 chassis (and MVII parts) I bid 
on an Ebay auction where there is no shipping and it's "Local Pickup Only".  
The problem is that I'm near Fort Worth TX and the MVII/BA123 is in Brunswick, GA and I 
don't really have the time to make the 2000+ mile round trip drive to pick it up.

Does anyone here know of a reliable shipping service in Brunswick, GA?  Or 
suggestions for outfits to check out?  Google hasn't shown me much other that 
UPS and FedEx stores.

Failing that, is there anyone near enough willing to pick it up in Brunswick 
that might want it for themselves?

Ebay listing  https://www.ebay.com/itm/334615827742?

--

John H. Reinhardt

Re: FTGH (-Shipping): Assorted 9 track tape media

[Toby Thain via cctalk]

On 2021-10-17 11:09 p.m., Toby Thain via cctalk wrote:

Hi,

I'd like to find homes for:

   22 x 11" reels
   5 x 9"
   2 x 7"

Most rated up to 6250bpi, a handful to 3200bpi. Some CONTROL DATA 
branded, rest mixed brands. All in decent condition.


Located: Toronto Canada, will post for cost of shipping by Canada Post 
(reimbursed PayPal). First come, first served, etc.


--Toby


These have all been claimed now. If anyone wants more: See Diane's post 
today :):)


--Toby

Re: FTGH (-Shipping): Assorted 9 track tape media

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 10/18/21 11:52 AM, Diane Bruce via cctalk wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 11:09:02PM -0400, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd like to find homes for:
>>
>>22 x 11" reels
>>5 x 9"
>>2 x 7"
>>
>> Most rated up to 6250bpi, a handful to 3200bpi. Some CONTROL DATA 
>> branded, rest mixed brands. All in decent condition.
> 
> hah! I also have a few 9t tapes here in Ottawa Canada but
> had no takers. I was about to check the local Museum to see if
> they wanted them.
> 
>>
>> Located: Toronto Canada, will post for cost of shipping by Canada Post 
>> (reimbursed PayPal). First come, first served, etc.

Onesy-twosy probably doable, but 10 of the 10.5" reels weighs in at
about 11 kg or 25 lbs. once boxed.  So consider this when calculating
shipping.

--Chuck

Re: FTGH (-Shipping): Assorted 9 track tape media

[Diane Bruce via cctalk]

On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 11:09:02PM -0400, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'd like to find homes for:
> 
>22 x 11" reels
>5 x 9"
>2 x 7"
> 
> Most rated up to 6250bpi, a handful to 3200bpi. Some CONTROL DATA 
> branded, rest mixed brands. All in decent condition.

hah! I also have a few 9t tapes here in Ottawa Canada but
had no takers. I was about to check the local Museum to see if
they wanted them.

> 
> Located: Toronto Canada, will post for cost of shipping by Canada Post 
> (reimbursed PayPal). First come, first served, etc.
> 
> --Toby

-- 
d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://www.db.net/~db

Re: FTGH (-Shipping): Assorted 9 track tape media

[Toby Thain via cctalk]

On 2021-10-17 11:22 p.m., Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:

On 10/17/21 9:09 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote:

Hi,


Hi,


I'd like to find homes for:

   22 x 11" reels
   5 x 9"
   2 x 7"

Most rated up to 6250bpi, a handful to 3200bpi. Some CONTROL DATA 
branded, rest mixed brands. All in decent condition.


Is there anything on them that might be worth archiving?  I'd chip in on 
shipping to someone who could archive the contents if need be.






Nothing looks obviously like a software distribution or anything 
particularly interesting.


--Toby

Re: FTGH (-Shipping): Assorted 9 track tape media

[Grant Taylor via cctalk]

On 10/17/21 9:09 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote:

Hi,


Hi,


I'd like to find homes for:

   22 x 11" reels
   5 x 9"
   2 x 7"

Most rated up to 6250bpi, a handful to 3200bpi. Some CONTROL DATA 
branded, rest mixed brands. All in decent condition.


Is there anything on them that might be worth archiving?  I'd chip in on 
shipping to someone who could archive the contents if need be.




--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

FTGH (-Shipping): Assorted 9 track tape media

[Toby Thain via cctalk]

Hi,

I'd like to find homes for:

  22 x 11" reels
  5 x 9"
  2 x 7"

Most rated up to 6250bpi, a handful to 3200bpi. Some CONTROL DATA 
branded, rest mixed brands. All in decent condition.


Located: Toronto Canada, will post for cost of shipping by Canada Post 
(reimbursed PayPal). First come, first served, etc.


--Toby

Re: Shipping via USPS Los Angeles is STALLED

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 9/30/2020 6:41 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:

I have a vintage computer sitting in the LA USPS since 9/17,

Bill,
I'm in Orange County, and items are moving in and out here (south of 
LA).  But they are all very small bubble pack and express mail type stuff.


Sorry to hear of your problem.  If you need any in person attention, let 
me know.  We're just hanging out, and if we can do it with COVID 
precautions will do it.


We did have three letters go somewhere, but we think the clerk who was 
an asshole did something.  We sent out duplicates and informed another 
desk person of the prior problem (this was about Sep 19 for the 
original) and they went in 3 days with first class postage.


Also we mailed two items from our UPS Store drop, rather than taking 
them to the counter at the PO, one of which went to Gretta @ the CHM and 
it went in 2 days.


BTW the main facilities for UPS / FEDX / USPS are all in Riverside 
County usually show up as Fontana.  they are all within a mile of each 
other with 200 or 300 sf operations each.  Los Angeles would be a local 
drop, not a normal freight or heavy parcel place to stall.


I presume it wasn't shipped by some horrid Ebay discount shipping 
method.  If so it could be scanned once at this end, and shipped via 
"USPS" and it magically appears at some similar regional terminal set 
and pops back out into the USPS though it may actually be carried by one 
off the three.  I had something take > 2 weeks a month ago (smallish 
package with Raspberrypi and some accessories) show up and traveled like 
that.


thanks
Jim

Re: Shipping via USPS Los Angeles is STALLED

[Gavin Scott via cctalk]

USPS (and UPS SurePost which is USPS last-mile-ish) have been delivering
on schedule or often ahead of schedule to here in the Chicagoland area over the
last month or so. USPS service has been excellent, with sometimes two
deliveries per day (regular mail and small packages and a separate overflow
package delivery. Zero issues across a couple dozen shipments.

Re: Shipping via USPS Los Angeles is STALLED

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

On Wed, 30 Sep 2020, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:

It seems to depend on which postal hub an item is shipped through.
A few days ago, I received an item that was shipped USPS 3-day priority
that spent  10 days in Las Vegas (point of origin).  All in all, it took
about 2 weeks to reach me here in Oregon.
The USPS didn't say if the package was comped dinner or drinks for the
layover in LV.


Only comped lodging.  With encouragement to extend free stay.
But, a detour to any casino will get the comped drinks.


I've had a few packages delayed here and there.  Including one UPS 
"SurePost" that was lost on the way across the street from a UPS hub to 
USPS.
And, a refund on a package from Switzerland, with an explanation that he 
could no longer ship to USA through DeutchPost.  (A DVD including 
"Sharktopus V Whalewolf" for "Shark weak" as the weakest premise of a 
horror movie.  Unless/until I can come up with a way to hack a capture of 
Amazon Prime Video, the only copies are in Switzerland, either shipped 
direct, or via UK.)


But, overall, MOST USPS sees to be doing unusually well!


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred

Re: Shipping via USPS Los Angeles is STALLED

[Bill Degnan via cctalk]

Seems like the western US is a lot worse off than anywhere else in the US
except maybe NYC.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 12:10 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> It seems to depend on which postal hub an item is shipped through.
>
> A few days ago, I received an item that was shipped USPS 3-day priority
> that spent  10 days in Las Vegas (point of origin).  All in all, it took
> about 2 weeks to reach me here in Oregon.
>
> The USPS didn't say if the package was comped dinner or drinks for the
> layover in LV.
>
> --Chuck
>

Re: Shipping via USPS Los Angeles is STALLED

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

It seems to depend on which postal hub an item is shipped through.

A few days ago, I received an item that was shipped USPS 3-day priority
that spent  10 days in Las Vegas (point of origin).  All in all, it took
about 2 weeks to reach me here in Oregon.

The USPS didn't say if the package was comped dinner or drinks for the
layover in LV.

--Chuck

RE: Shipping via USPS Los Angeles is STALLED

[jwest--- via cctalk]

Bill D wrote:
--
I have a vintage computer sitting in the LA USPS since 9/17, with no further 
updates.
--

Just a few weeks ago I ordered a vintage fuel pump for an heirloom garden 
tractor restoration I'm doing. It came from ohio via ebay, and I had a couple 
phone conversations with the guy. He sells a pretty fair amount in his ebay 
store, and he said the postal facility that serves his region is supposed to 
have 200 people on staff and they are currently down to 50 - completely due to 
covid. He said it was hit or miss, some packages sailed right through but 
others sat for 2-4 weeks and then moved again. Mine sailed right through...

J

Re: Shipping via USPS Los Angeles is STALLED

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

> On Sep 30, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> I have a vintage computer sitting in the LA USPS since 9/17, with no
> further updates.  I have read in the local papers there that the entire
> post office has ground to a halt. 

That sounds like creative writing.

paul

RE: Shipping via USPS Los Angeles is STALLED

[Ali via cctalk]

Hi Bill,
I haven't seen any issues with USPS in LA. It is actually been super smooth. 
For example I shipped out a package last week media mail. It was slated to 
arrive in Illinois tomorrow. Arrived yesterday, a whole two days early. Most of 
the stuff I have been getting from eBay has been arriving early as well. Only 
issue seems to be China and to smaller extent all international mail. -Ali
 Original message From: Bill Degnan via cctalk 
 Date: 9/30/20  6:41 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: "General 
Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"  Subject: 
Shipping via USPS Los Angeles is STALLED I have a vintage computer sitting in 
the LA USPS since 9/17, with nofurther updates.  I have read in the local 
papers there that the entirepost office has ground to a halt.  What's going on 
there?  I have neverheard of anything like this.  I assume my package will 
survive but think ofthe zoo there if they've been stacking packages for TWO 
WEEKS.  I'dstrongly suggest not attempting to ship anything out of LA for the 
timebeing.  WOW.I know people complain about the post office, I am not 
complaining, juststating the facts.  Normally the USPS is reliable.  They must 
really haveoverall problems in southern CA due to the fire and related 
managementissues.BIll

Re: Shipping via USPS Los Angeles is STALLED

[Ed C. via cctalk]

I was in a similar situation for 2 months with a couple of packages,
April-June, in the end I received everything ok.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 3:41 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I have a vintage computer sitting in the LA USPS since 9/17, with no
> further updates.  I have read in the local papers there that the entire
> post office has ground to a halt.  What's going on there?  I have never
> heard of anything like this.  I assume my package will survive but think of
> the zoo there if they've been stacking packages for TWO WEEKS.  I'd
> strongly suggest not attempting to ship anything out of LA for the time
> being.  WOW.
>
> I know people complain about the post office, I am not complaining, just
> stating the facts.  Normally the USPS is reliable.  They must really have
> overall problems in southern CA due to the fire and related management
> issues.
>
> BIll
>

Re: Shipping via USPS Los Angeles is STALLED

[Toby Thain via cctalk]

On 2020-09-30 9:41 a.m., Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
> I have a vintage computer sitting in the LA USPS since 9/17, with no
> further updates.  I have read in the local papers there that the entire
> post office has ground to a halt.  What's going on there?  I have never
> heard of anything like this.  I assume my package will survive but think of
> the zoo there if they've been stacking packages for TWO WEEKS.  I'd
> strongly suggest not attempting to ship anything out of LA for the time
> being.  WOW.
> 
> I know people complain about the post office, I am not complaining, just
> stating the facts.  Normally the USPS is reliable.  They must really have
> overall problems in southern CA due to the fire and related management
> issues.
> 
> BIll
> 


It's under new management, I heard.

Shipping via USPS Los Angeles is STALLED

[Bill Degnan via cctalk]

I have a vintage computer sitting in the LA USPS since 9/17, with no
further updates.  I have read in the local papers there that the entire
post office has ground to a halt.  What's going on there?  I have never
heard of anything like this.  I assume my package will survive but think of
the zoo there if they've been stacking packages for TWO WEEKS.  I'd
strongly suggest not attempting to ship anything out of LA for the time
being.  WOW.

I know people complain about the post office, I am not complaining, just
stating the facts.  Normally the USPS is reliable.  They must really have
overall problems in southern CA due to the fire and related management
issues.

BIll

Re: International shipping

[dwight via cctalk]

Hi
 You might check with a fellow in the UK, goes by the handle zippysticks, on 
the VCF forum.
He is currently having a ASR33 shipped to the UK from USA.
Dwight

From: cctalk  on behalf of Jon Elson via cctalk 

Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 8:57 AM
To: jim stephens ; gene...@ezwind.net ; 
Discussion@ 
Subject: Re: International shipping

On 02/13/2020 06:19 AM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
> Any recent or other recommendations on shipping to Europe?
> Specifically to Italy?
>
> I have the packing arranged.  Item being shipped is an
> ASR33. budget right now is a bit beyond what the buyer
> has, but I have gotten the unit for him, and we need to
> figure how to get it there.
>
> weight will be 75 to 100#.  Shipping from Los Angeles.
> Doesn't necessarily have to go express shipping, as long
> as the ride isn't too bad.
>
Oh my gosh!  ASR33!  Well, you ought to check out
Eshipper/Aeroshipper, they can arrange good rates with DHL.
I have heard some bad stories, so it has to be packed really
well. But, they seem to have the best rates
for international shipping I've seen.

Here's my contact:

ef...@aeroshipper.com

Jon

Re: International shipping

[Jon Elson via cctalk]

On 02/13/2020 06:19 AM, jim stephens via cctalk wrote:
Any recent or other recommendations on shipping to Europe? 
Specifically to Italy?


I have the packing arranged.  Item being shipped is an 
ASR33. budget right now is a bit beyond what the buyer 
has, but I have gotten the unit for him, and we need to 
figure how to get it there.


weight will be 75 to 100#.  Shipping from Los Angeles.  
Doesn't necessarily have to go express shipping, as long 
as the ride isn't too bad.


Oh my gosh!  ASR33!  Well, you ought to check out 
Eshipper/Aeroshipper, they can arrange good rates with DHL.
I have heard some bad stories, so it has to be packed really 
well. But, they seem to have the best rates

for international shipping I've seen.

Here's my contact:

ef...@aeroshipper.com

Jon

International shipping

[jim stephens via cctalk]

Any recent or other recommendations on shipping to Europe? Specifically 
to Italy?


I have the packing arranged.  Item being shipped is an ASR33. budget 
right now is a bit beyond what the buyer has, but I have gotten the unit 
for him, and we need to figure how to get it there.


weight will be 75 to 100#.  Shipping from Los Angeles.  Doesn't 
necessarily have to go express shipping, as long as the ride isn't too bad.


So far not a lot of options, but Fedex freight has been checked out.  
Just not sure of any other freight forwarders to use.


thanks.
Jim

Re: Shipping from Europe to USA

[Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk]

> On Aug 25, 2019, at 2:05 AM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
>> From: Jon Elson
> 
>> I have NEVER had even the SLIGHTEST damage with FedEx, even their
>> ground service. This could just be statistical chance
> 
> This. I once had FexEx Ground destroy the entire packaging of a shipment (one
> of those rigid plastic tubs, sealed closed with those tension tapes) so badly
> they had to build entirely new packaging for it.
> 
> Assume _all_ shippers will throw your item across the room, and pack
> accordingly - because they will.
> 

I have found that if the item is packed *appropriately* in a crate and then put
on a pallet it receives much gentler handling than something that’s been stuffed
in a cardboard box.

It all comes down to what is the item worth to *you*.  Yes, doing what I 
proposed
will cost more in shipping but what is that cost relative to the value (to you) 
of the
item and the difficulty in replacing it?

TTFN - Guy

Re: Shipping from Europe to USA

[Noel Chiappa via cctalk]

> From: Jon Elson

> I have NEVER had even the SLIGHTEST damage with FedEx, even their
> ground service. This could just be statistical chance

This. I once had FexEx Ground destroy the entire packaging of a shipment (one
of those rigid plastic tubs, sealed closed with those tension tapes) so badly
they had to build entirely new packaging for it.

Assume _all_ shippers will throw your item across the room, and pack
accordingly - because they will.

Noel

Re: Shipping from Europe to USA

[Jon Elson via cctalk]

On 08/24/2019 04:06 PM, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:


What use is insurance?  If the unique machine that you have been searching for
for so long it destroyed in shipping, the insurance company pays you less
than it's value
It seems shippers have some label or something that 
identifies high-value packages, and if one gets damaged, 
some manager comes down hard on the person who did it.  So, 
packages that are insured for higher values are USUALLY 
treated with greater care.  Accidents can happen, of course.


There also seems to be a BIG difference in the usual level 
of care provided by different shippers.
I have had several things smashed by UPS, some of them 
REALLY took a lot of effort to smash.
I have NEVER had even the SLIGHTEST damage with FedEx, even 
their ground service.

This could just be statistical chance, but I don't think so.

I also had several international shipments with the US Post 
Office just totally disappear if I forgot to insure them.  
Never had one damaged or lost if insured.


Jon

Re: Shipping from Europe to USA

[Peter Coghlan via cctalk]

John Herron wrote:
> 
> With all of the stories. I don't know if it exists internationally but I
> think the moral is get insurance with shipper.
> 

What use is insurance?  If the unique machine that you have been searching for
for so long it destroyed in shipping, the insurance company pays you less
than it's value (they're not going to pay you greater than it's value) in money
but does nothing to help you locate another example of the same machine and
get it shipped safely to you.

Maybe a better moral would be "If you want to make sure it arrives safely,
go and get it yourself".

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.

>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 12:31 PM Steven Stengel via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> 
> > Howdo I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who
> > has good rates?
> > Thanks-
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Shipping from Europe to USA

[ben via cctalk]

On 8/24/2019 1:25 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote:

With all of the stories. I don't know if it exists internationally but I
think the moral is get insurance with shipper.


I thought it was DRIVE your own FORKLIFT.
So how did the orginal companies like DEC ship thier products?
Ben.

Re: Shipping from Europe to USA

[John Herron via cctalk]

With all of the stories. I don't know if it exists internationally but I
think the moral is get insurance with shipper.

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 12:31 PM Steven Stengel via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> How do I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who
> has good rates?
> Thanks-
> Steve
>
>
>

Re: Update: Shipping 50 lb computer from Zell am See, Austria to CA.

[Kevin Bowling via cctalk]

I had a Siemens Nixdorf MIPS system shipped from Germany using their post
office. It took forever and was fairly banged up but made it to the US.

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 1:19 AM steven stengel via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Well, I knew the computer, just not the city.
>
> It's Zell am See, a small town in western Autria, far from everywhere it
> seems.
>
> The computer is a Datapoint 2200 - 50lbs, 10x19x20 inches.
>
> I want to get it shipped to Calfornia, where I live.
>
> The cheapest option is to just use local Austria mail, but max dimensions
> are 60x60x100cm, or
> 23.5x23.5x40 inches. That would leave just 2-inches on each of two sides
> for padding.
>
> Best option - remove the plastic cover and mail it separately. Correct me
> if I'm wrong, but the entire bottom of the computer seems to be a solid
> piece of metal, like the Apple III = very strudy. The back is a giant metal
> heat sink.
>
> I think it's do-able, do you?
>
> Steve.
>

Re: Update: Shipping 50 lb computer from Zell am See, Austria to CA.

[Joshua Rice via cctalk]

I’ve had/am having a similar sized machine shipped from Bulgaria to the UK, 
twice. Board first, chassis second. It cost me roughly £60 all in.

I expect a machine taking that long a journey would be best done by ocean 
frieght. It’ll take longer than air mail, but a transatlantic flight with a 
machine that weight will cost a lot. 

If you have to get it air mailed, split it up into seperate loads. Shipping it 
in parts will cost less than one lot, and also reduce the risk of the whole lot 
being lost in the post. 

if you can, it’s probably more cost-effective to ship it in parts than as one 
whole lump. 

> On Aug 23, 2019, at 9:19 AM, steven stengel via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, I knew the computer, just not the city.
> 
> It's Zell am See, a small town in western Autria, far from everywhere it 
> seems.
> 
> The computer is a Datapoint 2200 - 50lbs, 10x19x20 inches.
> 
> I want to get it shipped to Calfornia, where I live.
> 
> The cheapest option is to just use local Austria mail, but max dimensions are 
> 60x60x100cm, or
> 23.5x23.5x40 inches. That would leave just 2-inches on each of two sides for 
> padding.
> 
> Best option - remove the plastic cover and mail it separately. Correct me if 
> I'm wrong, but the entire bottom of the computer seems to be a solid piece of 
> metal, like the Apple III = very strudy. The back is a giant metal heat sink.
> 
> I think it's do-able, do you?
> 
> Steve.

Update: Shipping 50 lb computer from Zell am See, Austria to CA.

[steven stengel via cctalk]

Well, I knew the computer, just not the city.

It's Zell am See, a small town in western Autria, far from everywhere it seems.

The computer is a Datapoint 2200 - 50lbs, 10x19x20 inches.

I want to get it shipped to Calfornia, where I live.

The cheapest option is to just use local Austria mail, but max dimensions are 
60x60x100cm, or
23.5x23.5x40 inches. That would leave just 2-inches on each of two sides for 
padding.

Best option - remove the plastic cover and mail it separately. Correct me if 
I'm wrong, but the entire bottom of the computer seems to be a solid piece of 
metal, like the Apple III = very strudy. The back is a giant metal heat sink.

I think it's do-able, do you?

Steve.

Re: Shipping from Europe to USA

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 8/22/2019 6:23 PM, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:

The machine was later returned to the US and was used as a
"test mule". 
At Microdata, we were touring the country on a mission to fix some bugs 
that customers were having, and happened to  be in Dallas when a problem 
with one of a customers drives was serious enough we had to pull and 
replace it.


The drive was shipped counter to counter same day on Delta.  We went to 
the Delta Freight @ the airport to pick it up, and the guy on duty went 
back to get it after some delay.  I think we were the first ones to get 
there for that flight, and he was absent for a while, but some yelling 
got his attention.


Anyway we go to the dock which is at the front of this 30' long bay 
which went out the other end, and waited.  He was told it was heavy, 
crated, and needed a hand truck.  Even offered ours.


After about 5 min we here this crash, then another, at about a 5 or so 
second rep.  After about 5, the end of a crate about the right size to 
be ours appeared.  It was tilted up, and then fell out upside down as 
the guy flipped it over again.


He had gotten in about 10 of those flips before we used some salty 
language and told him to stop and we went with our handtruck.


Made sure he saw the Fragile stickers all over and ignore them.

Reported him to the 800# and called in to several places the next day.

Anyway it worked fine.

Also on the thread topic, PM'ed Steve.  I quoted a shipment to Latvia 2 
days ago, breathtakingly expensive.  It was the same size as his parcel.


thanks
JIm

Re: Shipping from Europe to USA

[Jon Elson via cctalk]

On 08/22/2019 02:09 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
Many ages ago, I worked for a company that made 12-bit 
computers for radiation treatment planning.  they palleted a 
computer and shipped it to Holland for a trade show.  At the 
arrival airport, somebody pushed it out of the cargo bay 
with no conveyor belt below, and it fell something like 30 
feet to the ground.  the pallet was reduced to splinters, 
and the case of the machine was seriously MASHED.  The techs 
who were going to set it up didn't think it had any chance 
of working, but they pulled all the boards, beat on the case 
some to straighten it, put the boards back in, and it fired 
right up!  The machine was later returned to the US and was 
used as a

"test mule".

Jon

Re: Shipping from Europe to USA

[Norman Jaffe via cctalk]

I had an interesting experience with UPS - they shipped me a tape library from 
the U.S. to Canada... when it arrived, the inside was completely trashed. 
As in, no recognizable components bigger than a credit card. 
UPS insisted that the condition of the tape library was as they received it for 
shipment. 
Until I sent them a photograph of the puncture mark made by THEIR forklift, 
right through THEIR shipping documents... 

From: "cctalk"  
To: "cctalk"  
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 12:21:39 PM 
Subject: Re: Shipping from Europe to USA 

> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk  
> wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Peter Corlett via cctalk 
>>  wrote: 
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:30:10PM +, Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote: 
>> ... 
>>> Only UPS did … and yes, the “horror” stories *are* true. They managed to 
>>> drop 
>>> the package. Not from 4 inches above ground, but more, because a *steel 
>>> corner* had a dent! 
>> 
>> Hence that old joke: "If being air dropped out of a C-130 into a minefield 
>> constitutes 'moderately rough handling', what constitutes 'very rough 
>> handling'?" "Being shipped UPS". 
> 
> I'm reminded of a legendary story from a long time ago, of a DEC disk being 
> air-shipped to a customer. RP03? Not sure, but something of that size class. 
> 
> The story was that the shipping company hadn't strapped it down properly, so 
> when the plane applied takeoff power, the drive slid backwards in the cargo 
> hold. Fast enough to exit the hold through the airplane skin, landing on the 
> runway with a nice bounce. 
> 
> The drive was taken back to Maynard, where it was observed that the corner of 
> the frame was badly bent. The techs propped it up on a cinder block and 
> turned the drive on; it worked fine. 
> 
> Sure sounds like a fairy tale, but it's a fun one. 

Friend who owned a larger regional ISP back in the day bought a new Ascend MAX. 
It shipped UPS and arrived with a perfect boot print on the side of the box. To 
this day we still make jokes about UPS playing soccer with the package. 

(Semi-related side story; A few months after installation, the Max started 
dropping calls on one line card. Ascend refused to RMA it because it passed 
diagnostics. They went back and forth over for a week or so until one day their 
sysadmin had enough; He calmly removed the card from the chassis and, with an 
Ascend tech on speakerphone, smashed the thing to bits with a hammer. “Oh, it 
just failed. Won’t pass diagnostics anymore.” He got his RMA number. The 
replacement card worked without issue for the next several years.) 

Re: Shipping from Europe to USA

[Peter Coghlan via cctalk]

Ethan Dicks wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 9:26 AM Noel Chiappa via cctalk
>  wrote:
> > > KE11-A Field Maintenance Print Set
> > > http://manx-docs.org/details.php/1,9358
> >
> > Speaking of KE11-A's, does anyone know what's behind the bidding wars on
> > recent eBay KE11-A component board listings, e.g.:
> >
> >   https://www.ebay.com/itm/372685033144
> 
> No idea.  I have those boards in my box of KA11 boards and since they
> arrived together, I expect I have the right backplane in my BA11-C,
> but I am also surprised to see such interest in just the boards.
> Perhaps someone has a broken KE11-A and doesn't want to/is unsure how
> to do component-level repair.
>

Maybe someone had one shipped by UPS and only the backplane survived?

Regards,
Peter Coghlan

>
> -ethan
>

Re: Shipping from Europe to USA

[Daniel Seagraves via cctalk]

> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Paul Koning via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Peter Corlett via cctalk 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:30:10PM +, Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote:
>> ...
>>> Only UPS did … and yes, the “horror” stories *are* true. They managed to 
>>> drop
>>> the package. Not from 4 inches above ground, but more, because a *steel
>>> corner* had a dent!
>> 
>> Hence that old joke: "If being air dropped out of a C-130 into a minefield
>> constitutes 'moderately rough handling', what constitutes 'very rough
>> handling'?" "Being shipped UPS".
> 
> I'm reminded of a legendary story from a long time ago, of a DEC disk being 
> air-shipped to a customer.  RP03?  Not sure, but something of that size class.
> 
> The story was that the shipping company hadn't strapped it down properly, so 
> when the plane applied takeoff power, the drive slid backwards in the cargo 
> hold.  Fast enough to exit the hold through the airplane skin, landing on the 
> runway with a nice bounce.
> 
> The drive was taken back to Maynard, where it was observed that the corner of 
> the frame was badly bent.  The techs propped it up on a cinder block and 
> turned the drive on; it worked fine.
> 
> Sure sounds like a fairy tale, but it's a fun one.

Friend who owned a larger regional ISP back in the day bought a new Ascend MAX. 
It shipped UPS and arrived with a perfect boot print on the side of the box. To 
this day we still make jokes about UPS playing soccer with the package.

(Semi-related side story; A few months after installation, the Max started 
dropping calls on one line card. Ascend refused to RMA it because it passed 
diagnostics. They went back and forth over for a week or so until one day their 
sysadmin had enough; He calmly removed the card from the chassis and, with an 
Ascend tech on speakerphone, smashed the thing to bits with a hammer. “Oh, it 
just failed. Won’t pass diagnostics anymore.” He got his RMA number. The 
replacement card worked without issue for the next several years.)

Re: Shipping from Europe to USA

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

> On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Peter Corlett via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:30:10PM +, Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote:
> ...
>> Only UPS did … and yes, the “horror” stories *are* true. They managed to drop
>> the package. Not from 4 inches above ground, but more, because a *steel
>> corner* had a dent!
> 
> Hence that old joke: "If being air dropped out of a C-130 into a minefield
> constitutes 'moderately rough handling', what constitutes 'very rough
> handling'?" "Being shipped UPS".

I'm reminded of a legendary story from a long time ago, of a DEC disk being 
air-shipped to a customer.  RP03?  Not sure, but something of that size class.

The story was that the shipping company hadn't strapped it down properly, so 
when the plane applied takeoff power, the drive slid backwards in the cargo 
hold.  Fast enough to exit the hold through the airplane skin, landing on the 
runway with a nice bounce.

The drive was taken back to Maynard, where it was observed that the corner of 
the frame was badly bent.  The techs propped it up on a cinder block and turned 
the drive on; it worked fine.

Sure sounds like a fairy tale, but it's a fun one.

paul

Re: Shipping from Europe to USA

[Peter Corlett via cctalk]

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 06:30:10PM +, Henk Gooijen via cctalk wrote:
> A few weeks ago I shipped approx 39 kilos from The Netherlands to USA (HP
> A990). At least in Holland, most shippers do not accept such heavy stuff (max
> 30 kilos).

Yeah, well, "dat kan niet" *is* the Dutch motto. I'm surprised it's not on the
passport.

> Only UPS did … and yes, the “horror” stories *are* true. They managed to drop
> the package. Not from 4 inches above ground, but more, because a *steel
> corner* had a dent!

Hence that old joke: "If being air dropped out of a C-130 into a minefield
constitutes 'moderately rough handling', what constitutes 'very rough
handling'?" "Being shipped UPS".

Re: Shipping from Europe to USA

[Patrick Finnegan via cctalk]

The automated package sorting I'm told includes dropping packages from
one conveyor belt to another, and stuff can fall up to 6ft (though
more likely when something gets clogged/jammed up and packages fall
off of the conveyor system).

39kg/90lbs is heavy enough that it probably should be
palletized/crated and go freight.

I'd probably pick a postal service, or DHL as my first pick for
shipping ~50lb internationally.

Pat

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 2:30 PM Henk Gooijen via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> A few weeks ago I shipped approx 39 kilos from The Netherlands to USA (HP 
> A990).
> At least in Holland, most shippers do not accept such heavy stuff (max 30 
> kilos).
>
> Only UPS did … and yes, the “horror” stories *are* true. They managed to drop 
> the package.
>
> Not from 4 inches above ground, but more, because a *steel corner* had a dent!
>
> I thought I packed it well (enough), but my advice is: using UPS you cannot 
> get it packed well enough ☹
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> Van: cctalk  namens Steven Stengel via cctalk 
> 
> Verzonden: Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:31:46 PM
> Aan: Cc 
> Onderwerp: Shipping from Europe to USA
>
> How do I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who has 
> good rates?
> Thanks-
> Steve
>
>

Re: Shipping from Europe to USA

[Peter Corlett via cctalk]

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:31:46AM -0700, Steven Stengel via cctalk wrote:
> How do I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who has
> good rates?

"Europe" contains so many diverse states and cultures that you're going to have
to be a bit more precise about where in the 4 million square miles of Europe it
is. A country would be a good start, but a province or city would be better if
it's a large country. Likewise, it can matter which US state it's being
delivered to.

You will also need to be more precise about the weight, since "50 pound" sounds
like an estimate. In particular, 50lb is 22.7kg, and a common price band is
"under 20kg", so if you can shave 2.7kg off it, you'll save money.

To give a guideline price from the local incumbent, PostNL will charge €105.30
to shift a 20kg "pakket" (no larger than 1m×50cm×50cm) from the Netherlands to
the USA. If it's 20.001kg, they'll tell you to get knotted with your overweight
package as they'll only do up to 30kg within Europe. "About a hundred" is also
in line with quotes I had for shipping ~20kg from London to Houston a few years
back.

It's possible that you can find somebody who is prepared to forfeit their hold
space on an international flight and take their personal stuff in hand luggage.
Baggage handlers can be clumsy, thieving little buggers, but they're still
nowhere near as awful as couriers.

RE: Shipping from Europe to USA

[Henk Gooijen via cctalk]

A few weeks ago I shipped approx 39 kilos from The Netherlands to USA (HP A990).
At least in Holland, most shippers do not accept such heavy stuff (max 30 
kilos).

Only UPS did … and yes, the “horror” stories *are* true. They managed to drop 
the package.

Not from 4 inches above ground, but more, because a *steel corner* had a dent!

I thought I packed it well (enough), but my advice is: using UPS you cannot get 
it packed well enough ☹






Van: cctalk  namens Steven Stengel via cctalk 

Verzonden: Thursday, August 22, 2019 7:31:46 PM
Aan: Cc 
Onderwerp: Shipping from Europe to USA

How do I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who has 
good rates?
Thanks-
Steve

Re: Shipping from Europe to USA

[ben via cctalk]

On 8/22/2019 11:31 AM, Steven Stengel via cctalk wrote:

How do I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who has 
good rates?
Thanks-
Steve


Well good packing would double the weight, and how fast do you/they need it?
Ben.

Shipping from Europe to USA

[Steven Stengel via cctalk]

How do I ship a 50 pound computer from Europe to the United States? Who has 
good rates? 
Thanks-
Steve

Avoid shipping with pre-sale deals on stuff from Sellam's collection--today only!

[Sellam Ismail via cctalk]

Howdy Folks.

I wish I had thought of this a few days ago, but I wasn't sure if I was
going to be making it to the VCF event this weekend.  Being that I am, I'd
like to offer to bring any item that you want to purchase to the VCF if
you're going to be there yourself.  That way you can save on the shipping.

Also note that I have "show prices", which are higher than my normal prices
to offset the consignment commission.  However, if you confirm a purchase
beforehand, you will pay the regular asking price.

The listings on my Virtual Warehouse of Computing Wonders are presently up
to date:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I53wxarLHlNmlPVf_HJ5oMKuab4zrApI_hiX0pNmy48/edit?pli=1=IwAR29aeaPInesPowqSLeq_ElmtOwSThjfRAJyW9T_oN6mnjPPt4wO1CchMGQ#gid=0=A1

Please be reminded that this is not my complete inventory, but merely what
I have presently processed and listed from my warehouse mine.  If there's
something you are looking for that I don't have listed, please send a
request by e-mail.

Thanks!

Sellam

Re: Global Village 56k modem for shipping

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

Thanks  Mark!  Appreciate it!  Ed#


 
In a message dated 7/30/2018 8:36:52 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 
In a week or so I’ll hunt for other modems, but it’s not unlikely they will 
fall into the same category. Ed, I’ll keep you in mind and will let you know if 
I find anything with DE-25 or DB-9 on the modem.


 - Mark

Re: Global Village 56k modem for shipping

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

> On Jul 29, 2018, at 7:41 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I capisce.
> 
> Being "in original box (opened and inspected, not tested), includes power 
> supply and software on CD (for Mac OS 8)." implies that it's as sent by the 
> vendor, who sold it configured for Mac, and is less likely to have provided 
> BOTH.
> I'm just gently chiding you about availability of "standard" cables, which 
> you probably have a cubic yard of.
> But, it IS true that it could have a Mac cable fused to it, with no other 
> cabling feasible.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 29 Jul 2018, Ed Sharpe wrote:
> 
>> well   don't  care  about  software  but  it  may have  ad a  real  rs232  
>> connector on the  modem  and the mac   cable  was an ad on  Kapish? Ed#

…don’t know whether to top-post or not :-) .
Sorry for slow reply, was off-line (and going to be doing that a lot the next 
few days).
The communications cable from the modem doesn’t detach (well, reversibly) at 
the modem end. 
The whole package is pretty clearly Mac-centric, so that doesn’t surprise me. 

Basically Fred diagnosed the situation accurately. The only thing I’ll add is 
that I was not the original owner, and there may be missing elements from the 
package (registration card, etc.) that I don’t know to look for. The hardware 
looks complete (from a compact Mac owner’s perspective) - just add telco 
connections and you are ready to communicate at a blazing 56k bits/s. :-) 

In a week or so I’ll hunt for other modems, but it’s not unlikely they will 
fall into the same category. Ed, I’ll keep you in mind and will let you know if 
I find anything with DE-25 or DB-9 on the modem.

- Mark

Re: Global Village 56k modem for shipping

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

Yes, I capisce.

Being "in original box (opened and inspected, not tested), includes power 
supply and software on CD (for Mac OS 8)." implies that it's as sent by 
the vendor, who sold it configured for Mac, and is less likely to have 
provided BOTH.
I'm just gently chiding you about availability of "standard" cables, which 
you probably have a cubic yard of.
But, it IS true that it could have a Mac cable fused to it, with no other 
cabling feasible.




On Sun, 29 Jul 2018, Ed Sharpe wrote:


well?? ??don't?? care?? about?? software?? but?? it?? may have?? ad a?? real?? 
rs232?? connector on the?? modem?? and the mac?? ??cable?? was an ad on?? 
Kapish? Ed#


??
In a message dated 7/29/2018 5:16:32 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

??

Global Village Teleport 56kbps fax/modem



in original box (opened and inspected, not tested), includes power supply and 
software on CD (for Mac OS 8).
Cable connects to the Mac serial port (round DIN connector)


On Sun, 29 Jul 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:

is there also pc?? connect?? cable!?


He said Mac cable and Mac software.

If you're feeling adventurous, . . .
at the modem end of that cable, it might detach from the modem, exposing a DB25F
Since the PC uses a DB25M, . . .
although you might want to extend the distance at least a few inches.
OTOH, if you want AT, not PC, then you would need a DE9F to DB25M cable.
There might still be some of those on eBay.

But, software is a whole other issue.


<-- Sorry, couldn't resist -->

Re: Global Village 56k modem for shipping

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

well   don't  care  about  software  but  it  may have  ad a  real  rs232  
connector on the  modem  and the mac   cable  was an ad on  Kapish? Ed#


 
In a message dated 7/29/2018 5:16:32 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 
> Global Village Teleport 56kbps fax/modem

> in original box (opened and inspected, not tested), includes power supply and 
> software on CD (for Mac OS 8).
> Cable connects to the Mac serial port (round DIN connector)

On Sun, 29 Jul 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:
> is there also pc  connect  cable!?

He said Mac cable and Mac software.

If you're feeling adventurous, . . .
at the modem end of that cable, it might detach from the modem, exposing a 
DB25F 
Since the PC uses a DB25M, . . .
although you might want to extend the distance at least a few inches.
OTOH, if you want AT, not PC, then you would need a DE9F to DB25M cable. 
There might still be some of those on eBay.

But, software is a whole other issue.


<-- Sorry, couldn't resist -->

Re: Global Village 56k modem for shipping

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

Global Village Teleport 56kbps fax/modem
in original box (opened and inspected, not tested), includes power supply and 
software on CD (for Mac OS 8).
Cable connects to the Mac serial port (round DIN connector)


On Sun, 29 Jul 2018, Ed Sharpe via cctalk wrote:

is there also pc  connect  cable!?


He said Mac cable and Mac software.

If you're feeling adventurous, . . .
at the modem end of that cable, it might detach from the modem, exposing a DB25F 
Since the PC uses a DB25M, . . .

although you might want to extend the distance at least a few inches.
OTOH, if you want AT, not PC, then you would need a DE9F to DB25M cable. 
There might still be some of those on eBay.


But, software is a whole other issue.


<-- Sorry, couldn't resist -->

Re: Global Village 56k modem for shipping

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

is there also pc  connect  cable!?


thx  Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 7/29/2018 3:00:40 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 
All,

 pursuant to the modem discussion the last couple of weeks, i searched briefly 
and came up with:

Global Village Teleport 56kbps fax/modem
in original box (opened and inspected, not tested), includes power supply and 
software on CD (for Mac OS 8). 
Cable connects to the Mac serial port (round DIN connector)

 For cost of shipping; I’ll add some bubble-wrap to the box to kee things from 
rattling inside and if you are concerned about the original box I’ll add 
another layer outside.
- Mark
210-522-6025 office 210-379-4635 cell

Global Village 56k modem for shipping

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

All,
pursuant to the modem discussion the last couple of weeks, i searched 
briefly and came up with:

Global Village Teleport 56kbps fax/modem
in original box (opened and inspected, not tested), includes power supply and 
software on CD (for Mac OS 8). 
Cable connects to the Mac serial port (round DIN connector)

For cost of shipping; I’ll add some bubble-wrap to the box to kee 
things from rattling inside and if you are concerned about the original box 
I’ll add another layer outside.
- Mark
210-522-6025 office 210-379-4635cell

For the price of shipping. Oddball telephones

[Tony Aiuto via cctalk]

I have two rare desktop telephones taking up space in my basement. I know I
never will play with or display them.

- Pingtel Xpressa PX-1. An early IP telephone
- ATT 8130 "Computer Phone". It has an RS-232 port in the back for
bi-directional comms. I reverse engineered the protocol when I used this in
1996. Crappy software available on request. I may even be able to dig up
the code Larry Wall sent me (Perl, of course) from the same era.

Photos here:
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipMJ-iCRhnHmiL9PoswsyJ2fiNTMK5Lw1xf
5TgpYr6UAo6ktLFAe6yEds5XvCIDoCg?key=WldvcDZnNEFlMmNza25ZLUdsN205R24zcFV2MHNR

Local pickup on Long Island or Manhattan, NY. I will mail it to you if you
pay the shipping via paypal or google pay. I will weigh it and calculate
the shipping if there is interest, but I am not going to bother unless
someone is interested.

Amiga documentation - free for shipping

[Guy N. via cctalk]

I have some Amiga documentation gifted to me a long time ago by an Amiga
enthusiast.  Now that I'm moving and downsizing, it has to go.

Free for shipping, USPS media mail.


AmigaDOS User's Manual - paperback book
---
"This manual describes the various AmigaDOS, [sic] and its commands."


Errata to the AmigaDOS User's Manual - photocopy



Amiga Hardware Manual - photocopy
-
"... provides information about the Amiga graphics and audio
hardware ... tutorial on writing assembly language programes to directly
control the Amiga's graphics and hardware."


INTERFACING TO THE 68K BUS CONNECTOR ON THE AMIGA
Designing Hardware for the Amiga Expansion Architecture
Drawings of the Expansion Boards for the Amiga
--
A packet of photocopy documents and schematics.

Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

> On Mar 23, 2018, at 1:43 PM, Kyle Owen via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for the compliments! I'm looking forward to getting it going.
> 
> Any idea what the model (FIO) indicates?

I don't know that specific designation and I can't find my reference.  But I do 
know that Friden would make custom variations of the Flexowriter, for example 
with different characters on the type bars and other features.

An example is the Flexowriters used at labs and universities (MC and THE, for 
example) in Holland for ALGOL programming.  Those had _ and | characters that 
did not advance the carriage, for making keywords (underlined words) and 
characters like not-equal.  They also had a "stop on semicolon" feature on the 
tape duplication mechanism, so you could edit your programs by copying tape and 
stopping on a statement boundary.  I saw that model code a few months ago.

paul

Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

[Michael Zahorik via cctalk]

Kyle, my Friden is a Model SFD-V, although yours looks similar, apparently it 
is different. You will find that a lot of the old lube has combined with dust 
and dirt to make gummy grime. This sticky stuff will cause the relays and lever 
arms to stick and act sluggishly. I have found that a strip of paper pinched 
between the relay armature and pole piece then pulled out while pinching will 
remove a lot of it. So clean and oil, clean and oil. I have found a bunch of 
stuff on bitsavers and also had some help from the guys on GreenKeys. Good 
luck. Let me know if I can help.
 Mike Zahorik (414) 254-6768

  From: Kyle Owen via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org> 
 Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 12:44 PM
 Subject: Re: Shipping a Flexowriter
   
Thank you for the compliments! I'm looking forward to getting it going.

Any idea what the model (FIO) indicates?

Trying to locate some repair manuals and tips. Anything else I should look
for other than what's on Bitsavers?

The unit powers up and types with a few keys slow to act or return.
Carriage return doesn't latch when it gets to the left margin. Column 4 of
the punch is stuck on. Reader seems to work fine.

Thanks,

Kyle


   

Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

[Kyle Owen via cctalk]

Thank you for the compliments! I'm looking forward to getting it going.

Any idea what the model (FIO) indicates?

Trying to locate some repair manuals and tips. Anything else I should look
for other than what's on Bitsavers?

The unit powers up and types with a few keys slow to act or return.
Carriage return doesn't latch when it gets to the left margin. Column 4 of
the punch is stuck on. Reader seems to work fine.

Thanks,

Kyle

Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

[CuriousMarc via cctalk]

Wow! Complete with the matching desk and in perfect cosmetic condition. What a 
find. Congratulations!
Marc



On Mar 21, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Kyle Owen via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> 
wrote:

I ended up going with PakMail and was not disappointed. It arrived safe and
sound yesterday, and though the cost of shipping was almost as much as the
unit itself, I felt much better about paying a little more to make sure it
arrived without damage.

Pictures are here: https://imgur.com/a/xW480

Looking forward to getting it going!

Thanks for the suggestions,

Kyle

Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

Kyle, Really nice  with the matching  desk!
Lookin good!
 
Ed# - www.smecc.org 
 
In a message dated 3/21/2018 10:55:36 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 
 I ended up going with PakMail and was not disappointed. It arrived safe and
sound yesterday, and though the cost of shipping was almost as much as the
unit itself, I felt much better about paying a little more to make sure it
arrived without damage.

Pictures are here: https://imgur.com/a/xW480

Looking forward to getting it going!

Thanks for the suggestions,

Kyle

Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

[Pete Lancashire via cctalk]

I have used PakMail before, no complaints
 -pete

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 10:55 AM, Kyle Owen via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I ended up going with PakMail and was not disappointed. It arrived safe and
> sound yesterday, and though the cost of shipping was almost as much as the
> unit itself, I felt much better about paying a little more to make sure it
> arrived without damage.
>
> Pictures are here: https://imgur.com/a/xW480
>
> Looking forward to getting it going!
>
> Thanks for the suggestions,
>
> Kyle
>
>

Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

[Kyle Owen via cctalk]

I ended up going with PakMail and was not disappointed. It arrived safe and
sound yesterday, and though the cost of shipping was almost as much as the
unit itself, I felt much better about paying a little more to make sure it
arrived without damage.

Pictures are here: https://imgur.com/a/xW480

Looking forward to getting it going!

Thanks for the suggestions,

Kyle

Various Software and Documentation for shipping + donations (round 10B)

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

All,
More of the stack. if any of this interests you please contact me via 
Private (not list) email at mtap...@swri.edu.

If you do want something, send me your shipping address and exactly 
what you want. I'll get back to you with estimated shipping costs (USPS media 
rate where possible) as soon as I can. You send me payment (any method is 
acceptable; USPS does not recommend cash in the mail) and I will ship when 
payment arrives. If you want Fed-Ex or something different from USPS media let 
me know at your first contact and I will price that for you. If you can afford 
to send slightly more than costs, I'll collect up the surplus for Cindy and get 
it to her.
If more than one person wants the same thing, it goes to the person 
sending me the earliest time-tagged email. 
If Al K. wants anything for Bitsavers, he gets priority (even if his is 
not the first email) up until it leaves my hands.

There will be multiple sets of email from me, each with a short list of 
things, unless/until someone asks me to quit. 

Thanks for your attention!

- Mark

This list is all Software. Some of it appears to match the books in the 
previous list, which is why this is titled round 10B - if you are interested in 
one of these, let me know to look for the matching manual (if I have it).

—

Adobe Acrobat 4.0, education version
Adobe Photoshop 3.0, 8 disks

DeltaGraph Professional for Macintosh. 3 disks. 1991.

DeltaGraph Pro 3. 1994. 4 disks.

EarthLink Sprint Internet Access Software: Total Access 2.0, Mac or Windows, 
with a book called “Getting the Most out of the Internet,” third edition, for 
new users of the EarthLink network, including such information as how to use 
email.

Framemaker release 5 (for Macintosh). CD-ROM disk, quick reference, Introducing 
Frame Maker, Installing FrameMaker

Inspiration for Macintosh. V. 4.1a Two disks. 1988-1994. Also 4.1c Updater.

Kensington Mouseworks QuickStart, plus disk, v. 5.04.

MacWorld present Click art disk

Norton Utilities v. 4.0, education

Now Synchronize. 2 disks. For Palm Pilot and Mac.

Now Up-To-Date, and Contact. V. 3.5 for Macintosh. 3 disks. 

Now Up-to-Date. 1993. (probably later than the other one? Looks more 
sophisticated)

Now Contact, 1993.

Ohio Distinctive Software: Executive Diet Helper, Weight Loss Planner, Menu 
Planner (Macintosh), 1994

Sad macs Utilities, the official companion disk for Ted Landau’s book, Sad 
Macs, Bombs, and Other Disasters. 1996.

Various Software and Documentation for shipping + donations (round 10)

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

All,
More of the stack. if any of this interests you please contact me via 
Private (not list) email at mtap...@swri.edu.

If you do want something, send me your shipping address and exactly 
what you want. I'll get back to you with estimated shipping costs (USPS media 
rate where possible) as soon as I can. You send me payment (any method is 
acceptable; USPS does not recommend cash in the mail) and I will ship when 
payment arrives. If you want Fed-Ex or something different from USPS media let 
me know at your first contact and I will price that for you. If you can afford 
to send slightly more than costs, I'll collect up the surplus for Cindy and get 
it to her.
If more than one person wants the same thing, it goes to the person 
sending me the earliest time-tagged email. 
If Al K. wants anything for Bitsavers, he gets priority (even if his is 
not the first email) up until it leaves my hands.

There will be multiple sets of email from me, each with a short list of 
things, unless/until someone asks me to quit. 

Thanks for your attention!

- Mark

This list is all Books (down to and including pamphlets), no software included.

—

Adobe Photoshop for Macintosh, Version 3 (Classroom in a Book), 1994.

American Heritage Dictionary: 3rd edition for Mac. 32 pages.

Communicator 4 quick-study guide. Laminated folder.

DeltaGraph Pro 3 Users Guide, 2nd edition. 1993.

Excel 5.0 Advanced, Macintosh, student manual. Logical Operations. 1994.

Excel: Mastering Excel 5 for the Mac (An Insiders Guide). Thomas Chester and 
Julia Kelly. 1995.

Eudora Mail Pro, educational use. V. 3.0 user manual & quick reference guide.

FrameMaker. Using Framemaker release 5, Windows and Macintosh. 1995.

Inspiration user manuals. Getting Started manual. Idea book.

Netscape: Official Netscape Communicator 4 Book. Macintosh edition. Pił James. 
1997.

Now Up-to-date and Now Contact (user manuals). (Two different versions, to 
match the two different versions on disk we have, I imagine.)

Office: Getting Started.

The On-line Research Handbook. Hayden Mead and Andy Clark. 1997.

Port Replicator: Users Guide. Micronpc.com 1999

PowerPoint: Using PowerPoint 4 for Macintosh. Que, 1994.

Quicken version 5.: Users Guide for Macintosh Perform Users.

Quicken 5 for Macs for Dummies. Stephen L. Nelson. 1994.

The Student’s Guide to Doing Research on the Internet. Dave and Mary Campbell, 
Addison-Wesley. 1995.

vi: Learning the vi editor. Linda Lamb, O’Reilly & Associates, Ltd. 1990.

Word: The Macintosh Bible Guide to Word 6. Maria Langer. “Includes Power Macs.” 
1995.

Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

[Robert via cctalk]

+2 for Pak Mail. I used their Plainview TX franchise, last year, to
send an AS/400e, with expansion chassis, all the way from Texas to
Canada.

They came and collected it (a 250 mile round trip), built a crate for
it and sent it LTL freight. The recipient was happy.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Curious Marc via cctalk
<cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> +1 on Pak Mail too.
> Marc
>
>> On Feb 27, 2018, at 12:12 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/27/2018 11:37 AM, Ed Sharpe wrote:
>>> *In my  case  lady  worked at a  warehouse and had  her  people  palate
>>> and strap the  3 ttys!  saved $$   Pack mail is  great though  to  pack
>>> stuff if no other free reliable  option is there.   We have  to  ship a
>>>  large  group of  computer front panels  across  country  and  they
>>> handled it   really  well.
>>> *
>>>
>>> *Pack Mail  ships alot of  stuff  form many auction places too.*
>>
>> I've used *Pak Mail* several times for very large delicate items and
>> never have been disappointed.  Choose your store location, though--some
>> do not handle large things.
>>
>> One consideration is that they have contracts with the freight companies
>> and can often price shipping + packing for less than you'd get charged
>> for a single LTL shipment from a freight company.
>>
>> Have them ship it to another Pak Mail location, so you can pick it up,
>> sans pallet.
>>
>> Craters and Freighters is another good operation, though they tend to
>> operate on the East Coast.
>>
>> --Chuck
>>

Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

[Curious Marc via cctalk]

+1 on Pak Mail too. 
Marc

> On Feb 27, 2018, at 12:12 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> 
> wrote:
> 
>> On 02/27/2018 11:37 AM, Ed Sharpe wrote:
>> *In my  case  lady  worked at a  warehouse and had  her  people  palate
>> and strap the  3 ttys!  saved $$   Pack mail is  great though  to  pack
>> stuff if no other free reliable  option is there.   We have  to  ship a
>>  large  group of  computer front panels  across  country  and  they
>> handled it   really  well.
>> *
>> 
>> *Pack Mail  ships alot of  stuff  form many auction places too.*
> 
> I've used *Pak Mail* several times for very large delicate items and
> never have been disappointed.  Choose your store location, though--some
> do not handle large things.
> 
> One consideration is that they have contracts with the freight companies
> and can often price shipping + packing for less than you'd get charged
> for a single LTL shipment from a freight company.
> 
> Have them ship it to another Pak Mail location, so you can pick it up,
> sans pallet.
> 
> Craters and Freighters is another good operation, though they tend to
> operate on the East Coast.
> 
> --Chuck
> 

Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 02/27/2018 11:37 AM, Ed Sharpe wrote:
> *In my  case  lady  worked at a  warehouse and had  her  people  palate
> and strap the  3 ttys!  saved $$   Pack mail is  great though  to  pack
> stuff if no other free reliable  option is there.   We have  to  ship a
>  large  group of  computer front panels  across  country  and  they
> handled it   really  well.
> *
> 
> *Pack Mail  ships alot of  stuff  form many auction places too.*

I've used *Pak Mail* several times for very large delicate items and
never have been disappointed.  Choose your store location, though--some
do not handle large things.

One consideration is that they have contracts with the freight companies
and can often price shipping + packing for less than you'd get charged
for a single LTL shipment from a freight company.

Have them ship it to another Pak Mail location, so you can pick it up,
sans pallet.

Craters and Freighters is another good operation, though they tend to
operate on the East Coast.

--Chuck

Re: Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

In my  case  lady  worked at a  warehouse and had  her  people  palate and 
strap the  3 ttys!  saved $$   Pack mail is  great though  to  pack stuff if no 
other free reliable  option is there.   We have  to  ship a  large  group of  
computer front panels  across  country  and  they handled it   really  well. 
 
Pack Mail  ships alot of  stuff  form many auction places too.
 
Ed# www.smecc.org 
 
In a message dated 2/27/2018 11:23:20 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 
 On 02/27/2018 09:29 AM, dwight via cctalk wrote:
> I had a computer item palletized and shipped by Air Freight ( it went
> by surface ). An open pallet will not have things intentionally
> stacked on it. It is possible to have something dropped on it or a
> forklift tine rammed through it but that is another issue.
> 
> In my case, it worked out well but they did not deliver to my door (
> I have no loading dock ). I had to go and pick it up at their
> distribution center ( about a 25 mile drive ).

In my case, I simply used the local packaging franchise, Pak Mail.
Since they routinely load pallets, they didn't mind receiving one. Cost
me all of $5 for a warehouse fee--and they even helped load it into my
truck.

When I got it home, that's where the neighbor and six-pack came in handy.

--Chuck

Re: Shipping

[Alan Perry via cctalk]

I have been thinking about building a Cray 1 cabinet replica for use as 
storage and seating in my office/machine room, so I looked at the one at 
the LCM very closely during VCF PNW. They don't have much padding on the 
cushions.


alan

On 2/27/18 11:10 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:



There are exceptions to each category, such as "desktop" computers too 
heavy to put on flimsy modern desks, minis that won't fit through 
doorways, and you might already live in a mainframe. Although a Cray 
couch doesn't look very comfortable for sleeping on.

Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

[Kyle Owen via cctalk]

The more quotes I get regarding shipping, the more I'm thinking to just
drive the 1300 miles (one way) and pick it up myself. I'd rather nothing
bad happen to it, as insurance money can't replace the unit (easily).

Any recommendations on finding a private carrier? It's in Colorado.

Kyle

Re: Shipping

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

A preliminary list:

Wrist computer (Epson RC-20, Fossil PalmOS): wear it.
PDA: put it in a pocket.
Tablet: a large pocket or a briefcase
Notebook: under your arm or a briefcase
Laptop: briefcase or suitcase, public transit
Microcomputer: box, car
Small minicomputer: crate, hand truck, a friend with a pickup truck
Medium minicomputer: built-in casters, refrigerator dolly, a van
Large minicomputer: pallets, forklift, liftgate truck, neighbors and beer
Mainframe: pack up and move to where the computer is.

There are exceptions to each category, such as "desktop" computers too 
heavy to put on flimsy modern desks, minis that won't fit through 
doorways, and you might already live in a mainframe.   Although a Cray 
couch doesn't look very comfortable for sleeping on.

Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 02/27/2018 09:29 AM, dwight via cctalk wrote:
> I had a computer item palletized and shipped by Air Freight ( it went
> by surface ). An open pallet will not have things intentionally
> stacked on it. It is possible to have something dropped on it or a
> forklift tine rammed through it but that is another issue.
> 
> In my case, it worked out well but they did not deliver to my door (
> I have no loading dock ). I had to go and pick it up at their
> distribution center ( about a 25 mile drive ).

In my case, I simply used the local packaging franchise, Pak Mail.
Since they routinely load pallets, they didn't mind receiving one.  Cost
me all of $5 for a warehouse fee--and they even helped load it into my
truck.

When I got it home, that's where the neighbor and six-pack came in handy.

--Chuck

Re: Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

Living in the dockless zone
 
Generally if they  deliver  to   your non dock  with a  lift gate truck the  
price of delivery does up  $40  to $100  A  while  back recently has  3  
tabletop  model 14 ... 5 level teletype  western union teletype  tape keyboard 
print on tape machines  shipped in strapped  to  palate  ...  2 for  an 
upcoming  display  on how the deaf  re purposed  teletypes to  their  network ( 
always looking  for ANYTHING  ELSE ON THIS  TOPIC) and  one to go in the tools 
of the journalist  display  over at the university.
 
The nice  people at the freight  place helped us  load them in one of our  
vehicles...
no  extra  charge and  they are  strong!
 
 
reminder... always  carry  plastic  sheeting in case things have  grease and 
oil... and  be  sure to have blankets  and cardboard sheeting to prevent 
scratching inside  vehicle.
 
Ed#  www.smec.org
 
 
In a message dated 2/27/2018 10:29:45 AM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
 
 I had a computer item palletized and shipped by Air Freight ( it went by 
surface ). An open pallet will not have things intentionally stacked on it. It 
is possible to have something dropped on it or a forklift tine rammed through 
it but that is another issue.

In my case, it worked out well but they did not deliver to my door ( I have no 
loading dock ). I had to go and pick it up at their distribution center ( about 
a 25 mile drive ).

Dwight



From: cctalk <cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org> on behalf of Cory Heisterkamp via 
cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 5:53:19 AM
To: Kyle Owen; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

If you can guarantee nothing will end up placed on top, it should be fine
strapped to a pallet. One thought would be to remove the feet and use the
bolt holes to attach it to a square of plywood, then screw that to the
pallet. Cinching a strap down over the top of it would probably not end
well. Next I'd wrap the thing in lots of cling wrap in every direction:
Keeps the carriage from moving, the cover from popping off, and should
prevent the loss of any loose keycaps. If it still has the paper roll
holder on the back, this should help keep it in place. Feet can be bagged
and put in the type basket.

I had a 90 pound microwave shipped to me once via FedEx Freight on a
quarter? size pallet. A little googling, it looks like the US "beverage"
pallet is 36x36. Might be a good size for this.

Depending on the circumstances, a 'gentler' door to door private party
carrier could be a good alternative (at roughly the same cost). -C



On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 7:39 AM, Kyle Owen via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org
> wrote:

> Does anyone have any tips on preparing a Flexowriter for shipping? Any
> thoughts as to crate vs. pallet?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kyle
>

Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

[dwight via cctalk]

I had a computer item palletized and shipped by Air Freight ( it went by 
surface ). An open pallet will not have things intentionally stacked on it. It 
is possible to have something dropped on it or a forklift tine rammed through 
it but that is another issue.

In my case, it worked out well but they did not deliver to my door ( I have no 
loading dock ). I had to go and pick it up at their distribution center ( about 
a 25 mile drive ).

Dwight



From: cctalk <cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org> on behalf of Cory Heisterkamp via 
cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 5:53:19 AM
To: Kyle Owen; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

If you can guarantee nothing will end up placed on top, it should be fine
strapped to a pallet. One thought would be to remove the feet and use the
bolt holes to attach it to a square of plywood, then screw that to the
pallet. Cinching a strap down over the top of it would probably not end
well. Next I'd wrap the thing in lots of cling wrap in every direction:
Keeps the carriage from moving, the cover from popping off, and should
prevent the loss of any loose keycaps. If it still has the paper roll
holder on the back, this should help keep it in place. Feet can be bagged
and put in the type basket.

I had a 90 pound microwave shipped to me once via FedEx Freight on a
quarter? size pallet. A little googling, it looks like the US "beverage"
pallet is 36x36. Might be a good size for this.

Depending on the circumstances, a 'gentler' door to door private party
carrier could be a good alternative (at roughly the same cost). -C



On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 7:39 AM, Kyle Owen via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org
> wrote:

> Does anyone have any tips on preparing a Flexowriter for shipping? Any
> thoughts as to crate vs. pallet?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kyle
>

Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

[Cory Heisterkamp via cctalk]

If you can guarantee nothing will end up placed on top, it should be fine
strapped to a pallet. One thought would be to remove the feet and use the
bolt holes to attach it to a square of plywood, then screw that to the
pallet. Cinching a strap down over the top of it would probably not end
well. Next I'd wrap the thing in lots of cling wrap in every direction:
Keeps the carriage from moving, the cover from popping off, and should
prevent the loss of any loose keycaps. If it still has the paper roll
holder on the back, this should help keep it in place. Feet can be bagged
and put in the type basket.

I had a 90 pound microwave shipped to me once via FedEx Freight on a
quarter? size pallet. A little googling, it looks like the US "beverage"
pallet is 36x36. Might be a good size for this.

Depending on the circumstances, a 'gentler' door to door private party
carrier could be a good alternative (at roughly the same cost). -C



On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 7:39 AM, Kyle Owen via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org
> wrote:

> Does anyone have any tips on preparing a Flexowriter for shipping? Any
> thoughts as to crate vs. pallet?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kyle
>

Re: Shipping a Flexowriter

[Bill Degnan via cctalk]

I guess the first thing you need is my address

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Kyle Owen via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org
> wrote:

> Does anyone have any tips on preparing a Flexowriter for shipping? Any
> thoughts as to crate vs. pallet?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kyle
>

Shipping a Flexowriter

[Kyle Owen via cctalk]

Does anyone have any tips on preparing a Flexowriter for shipping? Any
thoughts as to crate vs. pallet?

Thanks,

Kyle

Re: Kennedy 9800 near L.A. - Shipping help?

[sandy hamlet via cctalk]

Anders,

I go to Santa Clarita about twice a week.
What kind of help do you need ?

I'm in Acton, about 20 miles north of Santa Clarita.

- Original Message -
From: "Anders Nelson via cctalk" <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 8:34:36 PM
Subject: Kennedy 9800 near L.A. - Shipping help?

Hi friends,

Would anyone near Santa Clarita, CA be able to assist in packaging a
Kennedy 9800 tape drive for shipment to NYC? The auction ends tomorrow but
I'm reaching out to the seller to see what his/her flexibility is on the
collection date. Looks like the unit is 50lbs.

--
Anders Nelson

+1 (517) 775-6129

www.erogear.com

Kennedy 9800 near L.A. - Shipping help?

[Anders Nelson via cctalk]

Hi friends,

Would anyone near Santa Clarita, CA be able to assist in packaging a
Kennedy 9800 tape drive for shipment to NYC? The auction ends tomorrow but
I'm reaching out to the seller to see what his/her flexibility is on the
collection date. Looks like the unit is 50lbs.

--
Anders Nelson

+1 (517) 775-6129

www.erogear.com

Re: Various Software and Documentation for shipping + donations (round 9)

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

Todd,
you get them! I will box and ship as soon as possible, and let you know 
what the price is. Do you have a preferred shipping service?
- Mark
210-522-6025 office 
210-379-4635cell



On Sep 5, 2017, at 5:40 AM, Todd Goodman via cctalk <cctalk@classiccmp.org> 
wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> 
> I'd like these if not already claimed.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Todd
> 
> 
> On 09/04/2017 04:34 PM, Tapley, Mark via cctalk wrote:
>> All,
>>  Windows Utilities and drivers:
>> 
>>  Not cataloged, a box of ~200 assorted 3.5” floppies, most marked “HD” 
>> but some not. All have labels describing Windows utilities, drivers, etc. 
>> 
>>  Yours for cost of shipping, or if you know you are looking for 
>> something (sure hope not :-) ) I will search for the specific thing you are 
>> after. No telling what is in the box.
>> 
>>  I’ll wait about a week, then probably toss the lot. 3.5” floppies are 
>> not that rare yet (I think?)
>>  - Mark
>> 
> 

Re: Various Software and Documentation for shipping + donations (round 9)

[Todd Goodman via cctalk]

Hi Mark,

I'd like these if not already claimed.

Thank you!

Todd


On 09/04/2017 04:34 PM, Tapley, Mark via cctalk wrote:
> All,
>   Windows Utilities and drivers:
>
>   Not cataloged, a box of ~200 assorted 3.5” floppies, most marked “HD” 
> but some not. All have labels describing Windows utilities, drivers, etc. 
>
>   Yours for cost of shipping, or if you know you are looking for 
> something (sure hope not :-) ) I will search for the specific thing you are 
> after. No telling what is in the box.
>
>   I’ll wait about a week, then probably toss the lot. 3.5” floppies are 
> not that rare yet (I think?)
>   - Mark
>

Various Software and Documentation for shipping + donations (round 9)

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

All,
Windows Utilities and drivers:

Not cataloged, a box of ~200 assorted 3.5” floppies, most marked “HD” 
but some not. All have labels describing Windows utilities, drivers, etc. 

Yours for cost of shipping, or if you know you are looking for 
something (sure hope not :-) ) I will search for the specific thing you are 
after. No telling what is in the box.

I’ll wait about a week, then probably toss the lot. 3.5” floppies are 
not that rare yet (I think?)
- Mark

Various Software and Documentation for shipping + donations (round 8)

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

All,
More of the stack. if any of this interests you please contact me via 
Private (not list) email at mtap...@swri.edu.

If you do want something, send me your shipping address and exactly 
what you want. I'll get back to you with estimated shipping costs (USPS media 
rate where possible) as soon as I can. You send me payment (any method is 
acceptable; USPS does not recommend cash in the mail) and I will ship when 
payment arrives. If you want Fed-Ex or something different from USPS media let 
me know at your first contact and I will price that for you. If you can afford 
to send slightly more than costs, I'll collect up the surplus for Cindy and get 
it to her.
If more than one person wants the same thing, it goes to the person 
sending me the earliest time-tagged email. 
If Al K. wants anything for Bitsavers, he gets priority (even if his is 
not the first email) up until it leaves my hands.

There will be multiple sets of email from me, hopefully at a faster 
cadence, each with a short list of things, unless/until someone asks me to 
quit. 

Thanks for your attention!

- Mark

———

Cheyenne Bitware for Windows version 3.3 fax/data/voice (2 3.5" disks)
User's Guide and disks in a ziplock bag

185x(L) soundcard driver for Win NT 4.0 Version 2.00.03 (3.5" disk)

DesignCAD 2D Demo (3.5" disk)
(to install, enter A:INSTALL, indicates DOS)

Microsoft Works Word Processing Conversion program and supplemental Setup 3 
(1987-89) (3.5" disk)

S3 Trio64V+ version 3.1 (2 3.5" disks)
installation diskette for Windows, DOS
OS/2 driver

Mediamatics MPEG Arcade player (3.5" disk)

Toshiba America information systems technical notes for ATAPI CD-ROM (Oct 1996)
leaflet only

US English Medical Dictionary for use with Spellfinder 7.51.13 for windows 
(1993) (5.25" disk)

Radio Shack 5.25" disk (5 disks)

Timeworks Personal Computer Software Data Manager 2 with Report Writer 
(Commodore 64/128, 5.25" disks)
Miscellaneous paperwork
Data diskette 
No manual?

Disk Guard Complete Hard Disk Protection for Mac OS 7.5.3 or higher by ASD 
(3.5" disk)
not opened

Concentric Data Systems R Report Writer for DOS, XBase edition (1992) (2 x 
3.5" disks, 2 x 5.25" disks)
unopened disks
Getting Started manual, shrink-wrapped
Using R Version 5.0 (2 copies)

Various Software and Documentation for shipping + donations (round 7)

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

All,
More of the stack. if any of this interests you please contact me via 
Private (not list) email at mtap...@swri.edu.

If you do want something, send me your shipping address and exactly 
what you want. I'll get back to you with estimated shipping costs (USPS media 
rate where possible) as soon as I can. You send me payment (any method is 
acceptable; USPS does not recommend cash in the mail) and I will ship when 
payment arrives. If you want Fed-Ex or something different from USPS media let 
me know at your first contact and I will price that for you. If you can afford 
to send slightly more than costs, I'll collect up the surplus for Cindy and get 
it to her.
If more than one person wants the same thing, it goes to the person 
sending me the earliest time-tagged email. 
If Al K. wants anything for Bitsavers, he gets priority (even if his is 
not the first email) up until it leaves my hands.

There will be multiple sets of email from me, hopefully at a faster 
cadence, each with a short list of things, unless/until someone asks me to 
quit. 

Thanks for your attention!

- Mark

———
None of these include software install media, so they should all 
qualify for media rate.
The first three (labelled with ***) look interesting to me, but don’t 
meet my needs.

TEXTBOOKS and MANUALS 


*** Preliminary Edition of General Purpose Simulation Systems/360: introductory 
concepts and case studies., Thomas J. Schriber (1971)
book only, softbound, 235 pages synopsis of series of lectures

*** Heathkit Digital Techniques Student Workbook (1993)
book only, plastic comb bound, 280 pages.

*** Digital Circuit Design, book 1, Andrew C. Staugaard, Jr. (Heathkit 
Educational Systems, 1985)
book only, softbound.

WordPerfect for Windows Tutorial and Applications (1994)
book only: spiral bound, 364 pages

Up and Running! Microcomputer applications, Marilyn K. Popyk (1987)
book only: softbound, 650 pages

Structured BASIC, Clark and Drum, (1983)
book only, hardbound, 290 pages, high school textbook

Study Guide: Understanding Computers and information processing; today and 
tomorrow Parker and Ralya, 3rd edition, (1990)
book only: softbound, 528 pages

Electronic Drafting, Beakley (1982)
book only; softbound, 152 pages

Allied Electronics Data Handbook: Formulas and data commonly used in 
electronics (1969)
book only, softbound, 112 pages

Beginner's CB and 2-way radio repairing, Newt Smeiser (1981)
book only, softbound, 230 pages

SAMS IBM PC troubleshooting and repair guide, Robert Brenner (1985)
book only, softbound, 195 pages

SAMS IBM Advanced PC troubleshooting and repair guide, Robert Brenner (1988)
book only, softbound, 280 pages

The complete handbook of personal computer communications: everything you need 
to go online with the world, Alfred Glossbrenner (1985)
book only, 

Computer Fundamentals for an Information Age, Shelly and Cashman (1984)
book only, softbound, textbook.

Introduction to Computers and Data Processing, Shelly and Cashman, (1980)
book only, softbound, textbook

DataProducts LB series Technical Reference Manual (1991)  
Stapled stack of papers, instructions to supplement printer's operator 
guide.

Sony Compact Disk Player, CDP-C35 (1990)

Voice/Fax datamodem with advanced speakerphone functions - Computer Peripherals 
Inc.
Stapled stack of papers including User's Guide
Quickstart Guide

Jumpstart guide to microsoft word for macintosh - 4 copies

Chips and Technologies Schematics showing example applications

Various Software and Documentation for shipping + donations (round 6)

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

All,
More of the stack. if any of this interests you please contact me via 
Private (not list) email at mtap...@swri.edu.

If you do want something, send me your shipping address and exactly 
what you want. I'll get back to you with estimated shipping costs (USPS media 
rate where possible) as soon as I can. You send me payment (any method is 
acceptable; USPS does not recommend cash in the mail) and I will ship when 
payment arrives. If you want Fed-Ex or something different from USPS media let 
me know at your first contact and I will price that for you. If you can afford 
to send slightly more than costs, I'll collect up the surplus for Cindy and get 
it to her.
If more than one person wants the same thing, it goes to the person 
sending me the earliest time-tagged email. 
If Al K. wants anything for Bitsavers, he gets priority (even if his is 
not the first email) up until it leaves my hands.

There will be multiple sets of email from me, hopefully at a faster 
cadence, each with a short list of things, unless/until someone asks me to 
quit. 

Thanks for your attention!

- Mark

———
None of these include software install media, so they should all 
qualify for media rate.

PAPER BULLETIN:

HP 3000/V Software Status Bulletin, Quarterly Issue 2.0, 15 Apr 1993
2-inch shrink-wrapped stack of 8.5 x 11” sheets punched for 3-ring 
binder, shipped in cardboard box


MANUALS:

Top Producer 5.1 for Windows Real Estate Sales and Marketing software for 
Windows - User's Guide
book only; softbound

Using FoxPro 2.5 by Lisa Slater and Steven Arnott (Que, 1993)
book only; softbound, 1100 pages

Using PFS: First Publisher, Katherine Murray (Que, 1989)
book only; softbound, 400 pages

Using Quattro Pro for Windows Special Edition, Brian Underdahl (Que, 1992)
book only; softbound, 920 pages

Wordstar Made Easy, 2nd Edition, Walter Ettlin (1982)
book only; softbound, 160 sparse pages; for Apple II, Apple II+, Apple 
III

Quarterdeck QEMM Reference Manual
book only; softbound, 230 pages

The Student Edition of Framework II, Donald H. Beil, (1989)
book only; softbound, 372 pages (word proccesor, spreadsheet, etc. 
user's manual)

EduQuest Educational Computer Thirty, Forty, and Fifty: Guide to Operations: 
book only: softbound. NOTE: I have never heard of the EduQuest line. 

Various Software and Documentation for shipping + donations (round 5)

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

All,
I'm trying to help Cindy find homes for some of what's left from her 
warehouse. I can hold them only temporarily ( :-P), but if any of this 
interests you please contact me via Private (not list) email at 
mtap...@swri.edu.

If you do want something, send me your shipping address and exactly 
what you want. I'll get back to you with estimated shipping costs (USPS media 
rate where possible) as soon as I can. You send me payment (any method is 
acceptable; USPS does not recommend cash in the mail) and I will ship when 
payment arrives. If you want Fed-Ex or something different from USPS media let 
me know at your first contact and I will price that for you. If you can afford 
to send slightly more than costs, I'll collect up the surplus for Cindy and get 
it to her.
If more than one person wants the same thing, it goes to the person 
sending me the earliest time-tagged email. 
If Al K. wants anything for Bitsavers, he gets priority (even if his is 
not the first email) up until it leaves my hands.

There will be multiple sets of email from me, hopefully at a faster 
cadence, each with a short list of things, unless/until someone asks me to 
quit. 

Thanks for your attention!

- Mark

———

Some of these include install media of some sort (listed with each 
entry):



Pacific Data Products, 25-in-One! III (Windows 286/386 with HP LaserJet,  4 x. 
5.25” disks)
Installation Guide, User’s guide, advertisment, sales office list, etc. 
- appears to be a font package for LaserJets

SCO Open Server Development System Documentation (boxed set, no install media, 
all books in shrink-wrap)
Optimizing C compiler Release Notes
Optimizing C compiler User’s Guide and Llbrary Rference manual
(SCO Open Server Development System) Release and Installation Notes
“  Network Programmer’s guide and reference
“ Programming Tools Guide
“ Developer’s Topics
“ Character User Interfaces Guide
“ Programmer’s Reference Manual Vol. 1
“ “ Vol. 2
“ OSF/Motif Programmer’s Reference
“ X Window System Programmer’s Reference, Vol. II Release 5
“ C++ Selected Readings
“ C++ Product Reference Manual
“ C++ Library Reference Manual
(Super-Mini Computer Program) FTP Keyword / KEYpack SMP / Installation 
and User’s Guide SCO Unix Version 3.1.4
“  Oracle CASE Dictionary Reference Guide Vol. 1 Version 5.1
* Oracle CASE Dictionary Reference Guide Vol. 2 Version 5.1
“ Keyword office technologies / KEYpack ODX conversion reference guide 
version 3.1.3

Borlad Paradox Engine Version 2.0 ( 5.25” and 3.5” floppies, unopened)
Requires: DOS 3.0 version for IBM PS/2 and 100% compatibles, 512k RAM, 
hard drive, floppy, C, Pascal, or MS C)
2.0 Pascal Reference Guide  
2.0 User’s Guide
2.0 C Reference Guide
Miscellaneous license statements and brochures.

Microsoft Windows NT Server (3 x 3.5” setup floppies, CD Service Pack 4, CD 
with Microsoft Back Office)
Requires: Intel and compatible, 486/33MHz or better, Pentium or Pentium 
Pro CPU, 125 MB hard drive space;
RISC-based systems, RISC CPU compatible with Windows NT Server 
4.0, 160 MB hard drive space; 
16 MB RAM, CD, VGA, Super-VGA or VGA compatible with NT Server 
4.0
Start Guide
Basics of Installation
Compatibility List (175 pages long)

Microsoft Windows for Workgroups Add-On (8 ea. 3.5” disks)
"OS upgrade for any PC running Windows 3.1”
User’s Guide
Miscellaneous paperwork.

Various Software and Documentation for shipping + donations (round 4)

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

All,
I'm trying to help Cindy find homes for some of what's left from her 
warehouse. I can hold them only temporarily ( :-) ), but if any of this 
interests you please contact me via Private (not list) email at 
mtap...@swri.edu.

If you do want something, send me your shipping address and exactly 
what you want. I'll get back to you with estimated shipping costs (USPS media 
rate where possible) as soon as I can. You send me payment (any method is 
acceptable; USPS does not recommend cash in the mail) and I will ship when 
payment arrives. If you want Fed-Ex or something different from USPS media let 
me know at your first contact and I will price that for you. If you can afford 
to send slightly more than costs, I'll collect up the surplus for Cindy and get 
it to her.
If more than one person wants the same thing, it goes to the person 
sending me the earliest time-tagged email. 
If Al K. wants anything for Bitsavers, he gets priority (even if his is 
not the first email) up until it leaves my hands.

There will be multiple sets of email from me, hopefully at a faster 
cadence, each with a short list of things, unless/until someone asks me to 
quit. 

Thanks for your attention!

- Mark

———

These include install media of some sort (listed with each entry):

CyberMedia Guard Dog (Windows 95, CD)
Installation booklet, CD, coupon for floppies, advertising material 
(big mostly empty box has been opened)

Davidson and Associates Speed Reader. IBM format 5.25” and 3.5” disks
Installation and Use guide, instruction sheet, 3.5 and 5.25” floppies, 
progress charts, advertising booklet

Conversa Web, hands-free internet surfing. (Windows 95, 98, NT 4.0 or Pentium 
166 MHz or faster, multimedia
Shrink-wrap intact; box claims Conversa Web on CD-ROM, Internet 
explorer on CD-ROM, Quick start card, product registration card, microphone

Desk-Mate/Tandy CheckFree electronic Bill Payment System (PC-Compatible, 512k + 
modem)
Shrink-wrap intact; box claims Software, User's Guide, Enrollment 
Information, One month of free service

Jaton Software & Document Trident master CD (Windows 95/98/NT)
CD + Single sheet multi-fold pamphlet (possibly for different unit; 
VIDEO-67P/VIDEO-67TV)

Arcada Sytos Plus Backup for Windows (DOS 5.0, Windows 3.1 +)
User's Guide, 3.5” install media, Registration cards

Various Software and Documentation for shipping + donations (round 3)

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

All,
This seems to surface on my round tuit list about annually. 

I'm trying to help Cindy find homes for some of what's left from her 
warehouse. I can hold them only temporarily ( :-P ), but if any of this 
interests you please contact me via Private (not list) email at 
mtap...@swri.edu.

If you do want something, send me your shipping address and exactly 
what you want. I'll get back to you with estimated shipping costs (USPS media 
rate where possible) as soon as I can. You send me payment (any method is 
acceptable; USPS does not recommend cash in the mail) and I will ship when 
payment arrives. If you want Fed-Ex or something different from USPS media let 
me know at your first contact and I will price that for you. If you can afford 
to send slightly more than costs, I'll collect up the surplus for Cindy and get 
it to her.
If more than one person wants the same thing, it goes to the person 
sending me the earliest time-tagged email. 
If Al K. wants anything for Bitsavers, he gets priority (even if his is 
not the first email) up until it leaves my hands.

There will be multiple sets of email from me, hopefully at a faster 
cadence, each with a short list of things, unless/until someone asks me to quit.

Thanks for your attention!

-   - Mark
———

Stephen J. Bigelow Telephone Repair Illustrated
book only; softbound

Spinnaker PFS:WindowWorks Version 2.02 User's Guide
book only; softbound; torn cover

IBM PC DOS 6.3 User's guide
book only; softbound; torn cover

SAMS The Best Book of Lotus 1-2-3 Release 2.2 3rd edition
book only; softbound

The computer school Mastering Multiplan
book only; softbound

Que dBASE IV Handbook 3rd edition
book only; softbound

IBM LaserPrinter Software Applications/Driver Information
book only; spiral-bound

Norton pcAnywhere for Windows Version 1.0 (Symantic, for IBM PC, PS/2, or 100% 
compatible)
Using ...; Creating Scripts ; NO INSTALL MEDIA

Soft Switch (?) AX5/PX5/TX5 User's manual (motherboard)
book only; softbound

IntraCorp Bumper Sticker Maker (Apple II and IBM)
Installation and Use guide; fan-fold perforated-edge print media; 
registration and warrantee cards. NO INSTALL MEDIA

Free for shipping: Cabletron MR-9000C Ethernet (thin-net) repeater

[Tapley, Mark via cctalk]

All,
I will not get around to using this, so it’s free for shipping (or for 
pickup).

Cabletron MR-9000C ethernet repeater. One AUI port designed to connect 
to a thick-net bacbone via an adaptor which I don’t have. 8 thin-net coax 
ports, LED indicators for each. 
Also includes several sections of thin coax cable and connectors, and 
power cord as well as user’s manual. In original (plain cardboard) box and 
includes anti-static foam and bag for shipping. The user’s manual appears to be 
on-line at:

http://office.manualsonline.com/manuals/mfg/cabletron_systems/mr9000c.html

(no affiliation with this site, it was just the top hit when I searched). 
However the device is not a “card” but a large box, coax connectors on one side 
and LED’s on the other.

Working condition is not known; I have not plugged it in, but if you 
wish I’m willing to do that and report results before shipping.  I have a 
thin-net port on my NeXT computer, so I could maybe even get the LED’s to 
flash, FWIW, although I’m not sure there is a terminator in the box so that 
might not work.

I’m in San Antonio, TX zip 78254. I’ll use the box it is already in, 
and ship via your favorite carrier; check or MO are preferred payment, or we 
can likely work out paypal, etc.

- Mark
210-522-6025 office 
210-379-4635cell

Re: Freight Shipping

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 08/01/2017 07:02 AM, Pete Lancashire via cctalk wrote:

> Or find a place that ships a lot of stuff and do the same there.

In my case, this.   The outfit I use has a contract with a freight
shipper and their price for packing, palletizing and shipping is often
lower than my cost when dealing directly with an LTL shipper.

In addition, they're willing to receive palletized shipments and unpack
and help load them into my truck for usually less than $10.

I found out that they also do warehousing for Amazon sellers.

And it's good for local business.


--Chuck

RE: Freight Shipping

[Ali via cctalk]

Pete,

I am not sure what class that was. We generally ship with these guys for our 
own products which are much more delicate then an empty rack. So far they have 
been good to us! ;)

Thanks for the suggestions on places to find everything. I will pass it on to 
the seller. Based on the replies it seems as if the S is the "correct" price. 
So now I have to talk to the seller and see how negotiable is his price. :D

-Ali




> -Original Message-
> From: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Pete
> Lancashire via cctech
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2017 7:02 AM
> To: Paul Koning; General Discussion: On-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: Freight Shipping
> 
> $250 for those dimension across the country is a pretty good quote via
> LTL, do you know what class the quote was done against ?
> 
> As to not being able to strap down, its pretty easy. Go to you cheapie
> parts house or if you have a Harbor Freight get 4 web tie downs. 4 if
> not long enough for each.
> 
> If you can get it to a LTL'ers dock and you know them well enough they
> will strap it down for you, might have to hand the guy doing it $10.
> 
> Or find a place that ships a lot of stuff and do the same there.
> 
> Oh .. and find a place that receives a lot of large shipments and you
> can usually get for free plenty of corner and edge protectors.
> 
> I haven't had to pay for LTL size shipping supplies in 20 years.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 6:03 AM, Paul Koning via cctech <
> cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> 
> >
> > > On Jul 31, 2017, at 11:15 PM, Ali via cctech
> <cct...@classiccmp.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I know this topic comes up pretty regularly and I am sorry to post
> > > about
> > it again but any recommendations for a freight shipper from Atlanta,
> > GA to LA, CA?
> > >
> > > I am trying to ship an empty 22U Rack. The seller can wrap it and
> > > place
> > it on a pallet but cannot strap it down.
> >
> > That sounds like a problem.  If it's not strapped down, it is
> unlikely
> > to stay on the pallet.
> >
> > Standard shipping straps may be hard to find for an amateur, but
> small
> > truck type webbing ratchet straps can be found at car parts stores
> and
> > will hold something like this perfectly well.
> >
> > paul
> >
> >
> >

Re: Freight Shipping

[Pete Lancashire via cctalk]

$250 for those dimension across the country is a pretty good quote via LTL,
do you know what class the quote was done against ?

As to not being able to strap down, its pretty easy. Go to you cheapie
parts house or if you have a Harbor Freight get 4 web tie downs. 4 if not
long enough for each.

If you can get it to a LTL'ers dock and you know them well enough they will
strap it down for you, might have to hand the guy doing it $10.

Or find a place that ships a lot of stuff and do the same there.

Oh .. and find a place that receives a lot of large shipments and you can
usually get for free plenty of corner and edge protectors.

I haven't had to pay for LTL size shipping supplies in 20 years.



On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 6:03 AM, Paul Koning via cctech <
cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
> > On Jul 31, 2017, at 11:15 PM, Ali via cctech <cct...@classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I know this topic comes up pretty regularly and I am sorry to post about
> it again but any recommendations for a freight shipper from Atlanta, GA to
> LA, CA?
> >
> > I am trying to ship an empty 22U Rack. The seller can wrap it and place
> it on a pallet but cannot strap it down.
>
> That sounds like a problem.  If it's not strapped down, it is unlikely to
> stay on the pallet.
>
> Standard shipping straps may be hard to find for an amateur, but small
> truck type webbing ratchet straps can be found at car parts stores and will
> hold something like this perfectly well.
>
> paul
>
>
>

Re: Freight Shipping

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

> On Jul 31, 2017, at 11:15 PM, Ali via cctech <cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> 
> I know this topic comes up pretty regularly and I am sorry to post about it 
> again but any recommendations for a freight shipper from Atlanta, GA to LA, 
> CA?
> 
> I am trying to ship an empty 22U Rack. The seller can wrap it and place it on 
> a pallet but cannot strap it down. 

That sounds like a problem.  If it's not strapped down, it is unlikely to stay 
on the pallet.

Standard shipping straps may be hard to find for an amateur, but small truck 
type webbing ratchet straps can be found at car parts stores and will hold 
something like this perfectly well.

paul

Re: Freight Shipping

[Cory Heisterkamp via cctalk]

Hi Ali,

I've had a few things shipped lately and $250 isn't out of line. It's small
enough that you could try your luck on UShip; if you go that route the
pallet wouldn't be needed. If you use a traditional transporter, see if the
seller is willing to pick up a couple cheap nylon ratcheting tie downs from
Harbor Freight to strap it to the pallet. -C


On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 10:15 PM, Ali via cctech 
wrote:

> I know this topic comes up pretty regularly and I am sorry to post about
> it again but any recommendations for a freight shipper from Atlanta, GA to
> LA, CA?
>
> I am trying to ship an empty 22U Rack. The seller can wrap it and place it
> on a pallet but cannot strap it down. There is no loading dock at the
> location. In case anyone wants exact size/weight:
>
> height: 44"
> width: 24"
> depth: 36"
> weight: 150Lb
>
>
> I have called a couple of shippers including one we have worked with
> before and they quoted me $250 as my best price. At that price I would have
> to say pass so I am hoping someone here can recommend someone cheaper?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Ali
>
>

Choosing a shipping carrier -

[Jack Rubin]

Sometimes you eat the bear and sometimes the bear eats you - 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/passenger-train-crashes-fedex-truck-shocking-video/story?id=45022454

Re: A good shipping service for large computers?

[jim stephens]

On 11/26/2016 8:05 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:

No; it just sailed right through. The fact that it was Canada->US probably
helped.
The US Customs can be jerks.  But Made in USA on the unit trumped the BS 
for me twice.  It wasn't obvious in both cases, but once I showed it on 
the device the foolishness stopped.


I think our Canadian friends had much more trouble even post NAFTA than 
I had.


The old used items I buy have all been clearly US origin or manufacture 
and they do sail thru.


thanks
Jim

Re: A good shipping service for large computers?

[Todd Goodman]

* Noel Chiappa <j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> [161126 11:05]:
> > From: Todd Goodman
> 
> > Did you have any issues with customs bringing in the racked equipment
> > from Toronto?
> 
> No; it just sailed right through. The fact that it was Canada->US probably
> helped.

Well, I've had problems with US Customs coming back into the US from
Canada as well (not to mention from the US into Canada but that wasn't
about computer equipment.)

> 
> IIRC PakMail in Toronto picked a customs broker - or maybe we were talking
> about doing that, and he decided we needn't bother? I forget now.

That's good to know!

> 
> 
> > Both times the carrier knew it was unpalleted computer equipment and
> > did a good job using blankets and strapping them into the trucks.
> > ...
> > The other carrier did a great job .. They mostly ship antiques and
> > pianos and other items that can be fragile and not palleted
> > ...
> > Both were very competitively priced in my experience.
> 
> Sounds like these were both so-called 'white glove' shippers, who do things
> like furniture, etc.

Yes indeed.

> 
> Those are also an option, but in my experience, somewhat more expensive: when
> I was shipping a pair of -11/84's from California to Virginia, the shipping
> cost just about doubled when I had to switch from freight to 'white glove' for
> them. Hence my advice to palletize stuff, and send it freight (at least for
> cross-continent, where the difference really adds up).

These were on uShip where the carriers bid on your shipment so the
prices were really very reasonable compared to even regular LTL
shipping.

Todd

> 
>   Noel

Re: A good shipping service for large computers?

[Noel Chiappa]

> From: Todd Goodman

> Did you have any issues with customs bringing in the racked equipment
> from Toronto?

No; it just sailed right through. The fact that it was Canada->US probably
helped.

IIRC PakMail in Toronto picked a customs broker - or maybe we were talking
about doing that, and he decided we needn't bother? I forget now.


> Both times the carrier knew it was unpalleted computer equipment and
> did a good job using blankets and strapping them into the trucks.
> ...
> The other carrier did a great job .. They mostly ship antiques and
> pianos and other items that can be fragile and not palleted
> ...
> Both were very competitively priced in my experience.

Sounds like these were both so-called 'white glove' shippers, who do things
like furniture, etc.

Those are also an option, but in my experience, somewhat more expensive: when
I was shipping a pair of -11/84's from California to Virginia, the shipping
cost just about doubled when I had to switch from freight to 'white glove' for
them. Hence my advice to palletize stuff, and send it freight (at least for
cross-continent, where the difference really adds up).

Noel

Re: A good shipping service for large computers?

[Todd Goodman]

* Noel Chiappa <j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> [161125 18:49]:
[..SNIP..]
> I have had good luck with PakMail (http://www.pakmail.com/); I've had them
> ship a couple of 6' racks (one from Arizona, one from Toronto), and been very
> happy with the results.
[..SNIP..]

Hi Noel,

Did you have any issues with customs bringing in the racked equipment
from Toronto?

I've had so much trouble in the past that I've had to use a customs
broker (this was a container from England.)

They wanted prices and state of origin for all the pieces and pulled
everything out of the container for inspection twice (which I paid for
including transport to and from the inspection station of course.)

For the OP, I've had good success shipping racks and an a keypunch with
integrated table, both unpalleted, via uShip.  The key to use them is
specify everything in great detail (covered, unpalleted, etc) up front.
Both times the carrier knew it was unpalleted computer equipment and did
a good job using blankets and strapping them into the trucks.  I did
have help preparing the racks (getting cables all inside the racks and
shrink wrapping them to keep things from sliding out, thanks Steve!)

The other carrier did a great job picking up the keypunch (the seller
was very happy with them) and delivering.  They mostly ship antiques and
pianos and other items that can be fragile and not palleted and so were
a good choice for shipping vintage computer equipment.)

Both were very competitively priced in my experience.

Thanks,

Todd

Re: A good shipping service for large computers?

[Pontus Pihlgren]

Congratulations! Where does one find _three_ Crimsons these days?

I would consider going there myself to pack them,, Crimsons are 
somewhate fragile. Not extremely so, like some SGI machines, but there 
are some places you shouldn't lift.

Perhaps you could find an SGI collector in california to help you in 
exchange for one of them. Check out nekochan.

/P


On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 02:59:15PM -0500, devin davison wrote:
> I have purchased 3 large SGi crimson computers and need them shipped from
> california to florida. I am uncertain of a good service to use for the
> task, i need the machines to be packaged up / put on a pallet at the pickup
> location, the owner is unable to do so. Usualy I would use YRC freight,
> however they do not offer the service to package the machines on site.
> 
> Hopefully someone here can make a suggestion. Ive never dealt with shipping
> something this large before. I did have a Microvax 3800 shipped with YRC
> freight, however that was purchased through a business and was packaged
> before shipping. The crimsons will be a bit larger.
> 
> I have the machines paid for, but figuring out the shipping has had me a
> bit stumped for the past few days.
> 
> --Devin