Re: cfx_pwtextcrypt CF9

2011-02-15 Thread Mack

I think you might be able to use java.security.KeyPairGenerator to
generate the keys and then javax.crypto.Cipher to do the
encryption/decryption. I haven't tested it though so i don't know if
it will work.

Personally I've used gnupg (GNU Privacy Guard) for RSA key generation
and encryption/decryption.

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How to get sql sent to sql server

2011-02-15 Thread boybles maldooney

I'm wondering what the best way is to get the sql generated by cfquery and then 
sent to the database.  A sql statement that I'm using throws an error, so CF 
doesn't show the generated sql in the debugging info (only the sql error 
message thrown by SQL Server and passed into CF).  Is there a way to get that 
info in a log file or to output on the screen?  Please let me know.
Thanks!
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Re: How to get sql sent to sql server

2011-02-15 Thread Mack

Wrap the query in cftry/cfcatch, dump the error and the sql should be
somewhere in the nested errors.

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Re: Data source continues working after user id revoked

2011-02-15 Thread george.e...@ssa.gov george.e...@ssa.gov

Bobby said:
Why set a bad password intentionally? If it was to stop it from being used,
you could just disable connections in the advanced settings of the
datasource. It is an instant change.

The bad password was not set intentionally (as far as we know).

George 

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Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Michael Grant


 I have been critical of Adobe's marketing here in Australia, and I'm not
 alone.


Same here.

And to be fair, I've only ever said two negative things about Adobe
publicly. Lack of marketing in my neck of the woods was one of them. The
other about masking the use of php on cf related pages on the Adobe site. So
it's a bit of a stretch to call me anti-Adobe. And I'm not so bull headed
that I can't change my opinions once issues have been dealt with.

I do however understand the comic relief calling me out in this thread
provides. So I'm down.

OMG MG was all tots +1 Adobe! There is no Dana, only Zuul. ;)


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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Scott Stroz

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:45 PM,  cft...@fusionlink.com wrote:

 Scott,

 I think its a bad decision and I took a great deal of time to make my blog 
 post. I agree twitter is for initial reactions and banter, blog posts are for 
 careful reflection and thought.

You posted your blog entry within 24 hours fo the news. In my opinion,
that is not a whole lot of time to 'reflect'. Besides what you tweeted
and waht you blogged aere pretty much the same thing.

You keep referring to my twitter posts? I think you may be judging me
with the wrong level. People including myself think this is a bad
move.

I am referring to your tweets AND blog post, because as I said, your
blog post echoed what you tweeted

 I specifically said early in my blog post that the sky wasn't falling
and yet you keep accusing me of saying the opposite. Please carefully
look at my points.

Yes, you do try to claim the sky is not falling, then you spend the
rest of the entry telling us what will happen and how Adobe will act -
and none of it is 'good' in my opinion.

 My main point, is that by the time we may discover something is
seriously wrong that at that point it may very well be too late.

As I said in comments on your blog, it seems to me that you have a
beef with Adobe (and have had one for quite a while). I cannot help
but think that maybe that is clouding your judgement.




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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Scott Stroz

John,

After reading some other comments it finally struck me what bothers me
most about your blog post, comments and your tweets. There is not one
positive thing you say about the situation. Everything you state is
negative. THAT is what make me think its FUD. THAT is what makes me
think you did not 'reflect' on this a whole lot. THAT is why I feel
you are claiming the sky is falling.

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:45 PM,  cft...@fusionlink.com wrote:

 Scott,

 I think its a bad decision and I took a great deal of time to make my blog 
 post. I agree twitter is for initial reactions and banter, blog posts are for 
 careful reflection and thought. You keep referring to my twitter posts? I 
 think you may be judging me with the wrong level. People including myself 
 think this is a bad move. I specifically said early in my blog post that the 
 sky wasn't falling and yet you keep accusing me of saying the opposite. 
 Please carefully look at my points. My main point, is that by the time we may 
 discover something is seriously wrong that at that point it may very well be 
 too late.

 John Mason



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Re: cfx_pwtextcrypt CF9

2011-02-15 Thread Leigh

 I think you might be able to use
 java.security.KeyPairGenerator to
 generate the keys and then javax.crypto.Cipher to do the
 encryption/decryption. I haven't tested it though so i
 don't know if
 it will work.

Yep, it does. I believe he is using this code to do the encryption
http://www.12robots.com/index.cfm/2010/7/19/Using-Asymmetric-Cryptography-in 
-your-ColdFusion-Application--Security-Series-1610 

... and this will work to regenerate the keys from an array of bytes
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:62618#342138


  

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Re: CFX_HTTP5 - returns partial string

2011-02-15 Thread Brent Nicholas

Dave,

Thanks for your reply. In this case CFHTTP won't do it since the connection 
requires NTLM due to internal security requirements.

I've opened a dialog with the developer and he is looking into what it could be.


On a side note, we might need some Google mini training out here for one of our 
server guys. Who should I contact at your office Dave?

Thanks for your time,
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RE: cfx_pwtextcrypt CF9

2011-02-15 Thread Brook Davies

Mack/Leigh, thanks for the constructive comments, I will check those options
and see if I can get it working..

Brook

-Original Message-
From: Leigh [mailto:cfsearch...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: February-15-11 6:35 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: cfx_pwtextcrypt  CF9


 I think you might be able to use
 java.security.KeyPairGenerator to
 generate the keys and then javax.crypto.Cipher to do the 
 encryption/decryption. I haven't tested it though so i don't know if 
 it will work.

Yep, it does. I believe he is using this code to do the encryption
http://www.12robots.com/index.cfm/2010/7/19/Using-Asymmetric-Cryptography-in
-your-ColdFusion-Application--Security-Series-1610 

... and this will work to regenerate the keys from an array of bytes
http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/thread.cfm/threadid:62618#342138


  



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New Open Source Shopping Cart

2011-02-15 Thread Steve Bryant

I recently released a beta of a new free and open source shopping cart that I 
have created. It is slim on features, but built to be very easy to customize.

For example, you can use externally defined products (even from multiple 
sources) and it is very easy to add fields to any existing tables.

Blog entry:
http://www.bryantwebconsulting.com/blog/index.cfm/2011/2/8/New-Open-Source-ColdFusion-Shopping-Cart

Docs:
http://www.bryantwebconsulting.com/docs/cart/

RiaForge:
http://startercart.riaforge.org/

It runs on my new Neptune framework, so that is required to use it.
http://www.bryantwebconsulting.com/docs/neptune/
http://neptune.riaforge.org/

I look forward to any feedback.

Thanks!

Steve 

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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Roger Austin

 Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote: 
 
 And to add to that, I can say that *if* I did have deep knowledge of what is
 going on with CF X, I *might* say that when people see what is coming, the
 naysayers are going to feel really silly.
 
 Really, really silly.

Thanks for that teaser Brian. ;) I would love to get to CF9, but I'm trying 
to talk the datacenter into skipping to CF X since it takes so long for 
them to move to a newer version. 

I sure hope it comes before my corporate data center dumps ColdFusion 
permanently. That is where the battles are fought for many enthusiasts. 
Once CF is gone from my datacenter, I am probably gone from the community 
no matter how much I appreciate the tool.

I really don't care where the product manager is located. I didn't even 
know there was a marketing manager for CF, but I wasn't paying that much 
attention either.

I commented on John's blog and will make the same point here. I would have 
liked for the announcement to be made by the new management team along with 
Adam. The director level person should have introduced themselves and laid 
out their future plans. That would help us when we discuss CF with our CIO 
types who want to see someone at a higher level make announcements. It seems 
to give them a tingly feeling or something.

I understand that my experiences may be very different than those at other 
corporate type places. It probably has no relationship to people in other 
types or scales of companies.

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Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey

 Perhaps, but I think there needs to be a serious discussion about this. 
 Adobe went about a weird way in announcing it and I guess hoped it 
 wouldn't get much notice as a result. This is one of the biggest 
 decisions they have made with ColdFusion in several years.

I find it comical how determined some people are to say that the decisions made 
are good or bad as there's so much that can spin either way. For instance, 
Adam says that all his suggestions for CF X were signed off on. Sounds great, 
right? And it very well may be, I'm excited to see what they do with it. But 
will it come at the expense of getting some of the bugs and problems with CF 9 
fixed reasonably soon? Hopefully not, but it's really just a matter of wait and 
see. 

Likewise the business changes. Maybe moving the management team to India will 
be GREAT, maybe not. I certainly couldn't predict which solely on that tiny bit 
of information alone. I've certainly seen management changes done with full 
intentions of improving business processes failing completely, and other times 
be a huge success. I certainly have concerns about it (and has nothing to do 
with whether the folks in India are talented and smart) who knows which one 
this will be? I think Adam's done a great job, and particularly being the face 
of Adobe here in the US, meeting with companies and customers, and I wonder if 
we will still have that kind of personal connection with everyone over in 
India. But all of that has little to do with the greatest concerns I have with 
CF, whether they will truly put some marketing muscle behind it and try to play 
some catch-up with these other languages and help growing the developer 
community (and job market) for it. 


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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Adrocknaphobia

Russ,

You are a dick.

-Adam

** I thought about that one first.

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:


 Well we can't be sure that was how Adobe intended to announce it, Adam does
 have a tendency to post first, think later :-)


 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:05 AM, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote:

 
  Perhaps, but I think there needs to be a serious discussion about this.
  Adobe went about a weird way in announcing it and I guess hoped it
 wouldn't
  get much notice as a result. This is one of the biggest decisions they
 have
  made with ColdFusion in several years.
 
  John
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk]
  To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
  Sent: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:23:44 +
  Subject: Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
 
 
  Painting a target on your back there John :-)
 
  Unfortunately having an opinion that is not 100% positive about CF or
 Adobe
  brings out the worst Trolls who really have nothing constructive to add
 and
  just get their rocks off by making rude and obnoxious comments, which is
  simply not called for and really some people should know better and be
 more
  mature.
 
  I agree with your concerns and can understand where they come from, but I
  also think that perhaps you are being overly pessimistic and assuming the
  worst. I can understand why anyone would assume the worst about
 outsourcing
  to India, it has a bad rep and most people who have had to deal with
  outsourced support will have been driven to tearing their hair out at
 some
  point. But as has been said, this is not really outsourcing as Adobe have
  offices and staff there and have had for a long time.
 
  Your suggestions for improvements however are fair and seems like they
  would
  be beneficial regardless of whether you consider this to be FUD or not.
 
  Best of luck with the the oncoming flotsam.
 
  Russ.
 
  On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:53 PM, William Seiter will...@seiter.com
  wrote:
 
  
   Got it, thanks everyone for the google cache link...  must be a bad
 brain
   day monday for me  ;)
  
   William
   --
   William E. Seiter
  
  
   On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote:
  
  
   It's cached by Google..
  
  
  
 
 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3G9LdiSkodEJ:www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion+http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusioncd=1hl=enct=clnkgl=usclient=safarisource=www.google.com
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: William Seiter [mailto:will...@seiter.com]
   To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
   Sent: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:08:14 + (GMT)
   Subject: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
  
  
   Anyone have Adam's announcement?  I keep trying to access it and get a
   blank page.
  
   Thanks,
   William
  
   --
   William E. Seiter
  
  
   On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote:
  
  
   In case people don't know and many may not due to the way it was
  announced
   late last friday, there is a debate going on with the recent change in
   Adobe's management of Coldfusion. Whether you agree with my concerns or
  not,
   it's important that everyone get a chance to voice their opinions on
  this.
  
   Here a the blog posts to look at...
  
   Adam's announcement
   http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion
  
   My reaction
  
  
 
 http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/so-there-s-this-story-about-a-frog-in-boiling-water
   -there are comments that add additional problems to this move
  
   Brian Meloche's reaction
  
 http://www.brianmeloche.com/blog/index.cfm/2011/2/12/End-of-another-era
  
   John
   ma...@fusionlink.com
   twitter: john_mason_
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 

 

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RE: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Mark A. Kruger

I vote that this thread has officially jumped the shark... let's kill it
while we still have a chance and an Emmy.

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-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 10:46 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management


Russ,

You are a dick.

-Adam

** I thought about that one first.

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:


 Well we can't be sure that was how Adobe intended to announce it, Adam
does
 have a tendency to post first, think later :-)


 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:05 AM, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote:

 
  Perhaps, but I think there needs to be a serious discussion about this.
  Adobe went about a weird way in announcing it and I guess hoped it
 wouldn't
  get much notice as a result. This is one of the biggest decisions they
 have
  made with ColdFusion in several years.
 
  John
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk]
  To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
  Sent: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:23:44 +
  Subject: Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
 
 
  Painting a target on your back there John :-)
 
  Unfortunately having an opinion that is not 100% positive about CF or
 Adobe
  brings out the worst Trolls who really have nothing constructive to add
 and
  just get their rocks off by making rude and obnoxious comments, which is
  simply not called for and really some people should know better and be
 more
  mature.
 
  I agree with your concerns and can understand where they come from, but
I
  also think that perhaps you are being overly pessimistic and assuming
the
  worst. I can understand why anyone would assume the worst about
 outsourcing
  to India, it has a bad rep and most people who have had to deal with
  outsourced support will have been driven to tearing their hair out at
 some
  point. But as has been said, this is not really outsourcing as Adobe
have
  offices and staff there and have had for a long time.
 
  Your suggestions for improvements however are fair and seems like they
  would
  be beneficial regardless of whether you consider this to be FUD or not.
 
  Best of luck with the the oncoming flotsam.
 
  Russ.
 
  On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:53 PM, William Seiter will...@seiter.com
  wrote:
 
  
   Got it, thanks everyone for the google cache link...  must be a bad
 brain
   day monday for me  ;)
  
   William
   --
   William E. Seiter
  
  
   On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote:
  
  
   It's cached by Google..
  
  
  
 

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3G9LdiSkodEJ:www.adrock
naphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion+http://www.adrocknaphobia
.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusioncd=1hl=enct=clnkgl=usclient=s
afarisource=www.google.com
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: William Seiter [mailto:will...@seiter.com]
   To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
   Sent: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 19:08:14 + (GMT)
   Subject: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
  
  
   Anyone have Adam's announcement?  I keep trying to access it and get a
   blank page.
  
   Thanks,
   William
  
   --
   William E. Seiter
  
  
   On Feb 14, 2011, cft...@fusionlink.com wrote:
  
  
   In case people don't know and many may not due to the way it was
  announced
   late last friday, there is a debate going on with the recent change in
   Adobe's management of Coldfusion. Whether you agree with my concerns
or
  not,
   it's important that everyone get a chance to voice their opinions on
  this.
  
   Here a the blog posts to look at...
  
   Adam's announcement
   http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/the-modern-age-of-coldfusion
  
   My reaction
  
  
 

http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/so-there-s-this-story-about-a-frog-in
-boiling-water
   -there are comments that add additional problems to this move
  
   Brian Meloche's reaction
  
 http://www.brianmeloche.com/blog/index.cfm/2011/2/12/End-of-another-era
  
   John
   ma...@fusionlink.com
   twitter: john_mason_
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
 
 
 

 



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string function???

2011-02-15 Thread Richard White

Hi,

i have various strings in the following format:

'({name1}+{name2})/365.25'

i need to get all the names from in between the curly brackets {} and place 
them in an array. (so the above example would put name1 and name2 in an array)

what would be the best way to do this?

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Re: string function???

2011-02-15 Thread Raymond Camden

Regular expressions. Have you looked into them?

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Richard White rich...@j7is.co.uk wrote:

 Hi,

 i have various strings in the following format:

 '({name1}+{name2})/365.25'

 i need to get all the names from in between the curly brackets {} and place 
 them in an array. (so the above example would put name1 and name2 in an array)

 what would be the best way to do this?

 thanks

 

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Re: string function???

2011-02-15 Thread Richard White

i understand them to a certain extent but not sure how to split a string using 
them. do you have any pointers?

Regular expressions. Have you looked into them?


 

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Re: string function???

2011-02-15 Thread Raymond Camden

Well you have multiple ways you can do this - but you may want to try
reMatch. Given a regex it will return all the matches.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Richard White rich...@j7is.co.uk wrote:

 i understand them to a certain extent but not sure how to split a string 
 using them. do you have any pointers?

Regular expressions. Have you looked into them?




 

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RE: string function???

2011-02-15 Thread Bobby Hartsfield

Check out refind using the returnSubExpressions set to TRUE. It will return
an array of position and length for each of the matched items. You can use
those len and pos values to grab each value with the mid() function.

For example...

cfset str = '({name1}+{name2})/365.25' /
cfdump var=#refind('\{(.*?)\}', str, 1, true)# /

 
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From: Richard White [mailto:rich...@j7is.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:58 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: string function???


Hi,

i have various strings in the following format:

'({name1}+{name2})/365.25'

i need to get all the names from in between the curly brackets {} and place
them in an array. (so the above example would put name1 and name2 in an
array)

what would be the best way to do this?

thanks 



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Re: string function???

2011-02-15 Thread Richard White

thanks guys the combination of the 2 answers works perfectly:

cfset str = '({name1}+{name2})/365.25' /
cfdump var=#rematch('\{(.*?)\}', str)# /



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RE: string function???

2011-02-15 Thread Bobby Hartsfield

Oh Yeah! ReMatch... forgot about that one for a minute. 
 
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From: Richard White [mailto:rich...@j7is.co.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:26 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: string function???


thanks guys the combination of the 2 answers works perfectly:

cfset str = '({name1}+{name2})/365.25' /
cfdump var=#rematch('\{(.*?)\}', str)# /





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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Russ Michaels

Adam,

insulting people that try to support/defend you and Adobe is certainly not
very smart, and I suspect is one of the reasons you are being replaced.


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Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Judah McAuley

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Damn!  Mike Kear and Michael Grant, both?  In the same thread?!?!?!

 THE HEAVENS HAVE OPENED!  :-)

For what it's worth, I think that the move seems pretty reasonable to
me. I appreciate the hard work that Adam has done on the product
roadmap even if I have had issues with the way in which he interacts
with the community. More resources and product management that is more
closely located to development seem like positive moves to me.

The only things that gave me pause were the fact that CF is now in a
Print division and the suggestion that CF X will have a longer release
cycle. I don't know anything about how Adobe divides their business
groups, so it very well may be that the new division is a perfect home
for the product, albeit with a name that does really shout web
development. And as for the longer release cycle, that's really a
judgment call. I worry about perceived stagnation in the product
development but I think that there are ways to combat that perception
from a marketing point of view. Solid, exciting releases tend to erase
those fears regardless.

Here's hoping that the transition goes smoothly and that exciting
things are in store.

Cheers,
Ju

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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Gerald Guido

when people see what is coming, the naysayers are going to feel really
silly.

Really, really silly.

That is made of 100% pure Awesome, and the best thing that has come out of
this thread.

Thanx for making my day,
G!


On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote:


 And to add to that, I can say that *if* I did have deep knowledge of what
 is
 going on with CF X, I *might* say that when people see what is coming, the
 naysayers are going to feel really silly.

 Really, really silly.



 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote:

  To be fair, Matt, I'm not sure how it works for the other products, but
 the
  CF ACPs absolutely do have a very high level of input. We get (or may not
  get, heh, I don't know where the NDAs affect what I can say) ongoing
  briefings and opportunities for input on features as product development
 as
  it goes on.
 
  That said, part of the reason the CAB (Customer Advisory Board) was
 created
  is to help separate the evangelism from the product guidance. And a very
  large number (if not all) of the ACPs are on the CAB, along with a number
 of
  others who are not ACPs.
 
 
  On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
  By the way, the notion that the ACP program was intended to serve as an
  advisory board or steering committee for the product could not be more
 off
  base.  The ACP program is 100% marketing.  Period.  It **is** about
  fanbois.  (http://www.adobe.com/communities/professionals/)
 
 
 


 

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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Brian Kotek

lol. Maybe you should wait until you see what poor replaced Adam is doing
next. (hint: it's not what a company does with an employee they are upset
with or replacing).


On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:


 Adam,

 insulting people that try to support/defend you and Adobe is certainly not
 very smart, and I suspect is one of the reasons you are being replaced.


 

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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Russ Michaels

Crikey, well if Adobe promote staff for bad behavior then we are all in the
wrong job :-)


On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote:


 lol. Maybe you should wait until you see what poor replaced Adam is doing
 next. (hint: it's not what a company does with an employee they are upset
 with or replacing).


 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
 wrote:

 
  Adam,
 
  insulting people that try to support/defend you and Adobe is certainly
 not
  very smart, and I suspect is one of the reasons you are being replaced.
 
 
 

 

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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Brian Kotek

That's one way to look at it. But the much more likely view (and the one
Adobe sees) is that the people who think he's guilty of bad behavior are
not only a tiny minority, but are also wrong.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:


 Crikey, well if Adobe promote staff for bad behavior then we are all in the
 wrong job :-)


 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  lol. Maybe you should wait until you see what poor replaced Adam is
 doing
  next. (hint: it's not what a company does with an employee they are upset
  with or replacing).
 
 
  On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
  wrote:
 
  
   Adam,
  
   insulting people that try to support/defend you and Adobe is certainly
  not
   very smart, and I suspect is one of the reasons you are being replaced.
  
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Judah McAuley

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's one way to look at it. But the much more likely view (and the one
 Adobe sees) is that the people who think he's guilty of bad behavior are
 not only a tiny minority, but are also wrong.

Perhaps I have a misunderstanding of the Adobe corporate culture, but
if I was acting in an official capacity for my company and called one
of our customers a dick on a public mailing list, I'm pretty sure that
my boss would consider that bad behavior.

Judah

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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Charlie Griefer

Adam posted that from his gmail account. Doesn't seem that he was acting in any 
official capacity for his company there (also no sig indicating that he's an 
Adobe employee).

Yeah, I understand that there are some politics in play, but regardless of the 
position we hold, or the company for whom we work, I think people should 
generally be allowed to express their opinions outside of that, without fear of 
repercussion. 
-- 
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I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love my wife. 
And I wish you my kind of success.
On Tuesday, February 15, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: 
 
 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  That's one way to look at it. But the much more likely view (and the one
  Adobe sees) is that the people who think he's guilty of bad behavior are
  not only a tiny minority, but are also wrong.
 
 Perhaps I have a misunderstanding of the Adobe corporate culture, but
 if I was acting in an official capacity for my company and called one
 of our customers a dick on a public mailing list, I'm pretty sure that
 my boss would consider that bad behavior.
 
 Judah
 
 

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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Brian Kotek

Only if said employee was posting in the context of their position, and not
responding personally to a personal accusation or comment.

So, yes, you have a misunderstanding of the Adobe corporate culture. Glad to
help clear that up for you!


On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote:


 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  That's one way to look at it. But the much more likely view (and the one
  Adobe sees) is that the people who think he's guilty of bad behavior
 are
  not only a tiny minority, but are also wrong.

 Perhaps I have a misunderstanding of the Adobe corporate culture, but
 if I was acting in an official capacity for my company and called one
 of our customers a dick on a public mailing list, I'm pretty sure that
 my boss would consider that bad behavior.

 Judah

 

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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Russ Michaels

Brian, if you think it is wrong I wont argue, all I can suggest is try
searching the cf-talk archives and will find otherwise. I only read the
occasional post on here and even I  seen it to be a fairly
regular occurrence, and that is discounting the ones directed at me.
If I am in a tiny minority then fair enough, but I personally can't imagine
too many people go around insulting their customers and trying to turn them
into anti-customers, especially when they are evangelists and are defending
your product.
Sorry if I can't see the sense in that, perhaps I am just weird.



On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote:


 That's one way to look at it. But the much more likely view (and the one
 Adobe sees) is that the people who think he's guilty of bad behavior are
 not only a tiny minority, but are also wrong.

 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
 wrote:

 
  Crikey, well if Adobe promote staff for bad behavior then we are all in
 the
  wrong job :-)
 
 
  On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
   lol. Maybe you should wait until you see what poor replaced Adam is
  doing
   next. (hint: it's not what a company does with an employee they are
 upset
   with or replacing).
  
  
   On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
   wrote:
  
   
Adam,
   
insulting people that try to support/defend you and Adobe is
 certainly
   not
very smart, and I suspect is one of the reasons you are being
 replaced.
   
   
   
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Adrocknaphobia

Russ,

It's clear you have beef with me. Saying I post first and think later is
an insult. Just because you don't like what I post, doesn't mean I don't
think about it. I promise that if you don't attack me, I won't attack you.

-Adam

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:


 Brian, if you think it is wrong I wont argue, all I can suggest is try
 searching the cf-talk archives and will find otherwise. I only read the
 occasional post on here and even I  seen it to be a fairly
 regular occurrence, and that is discounting the ones directed at me.
 If I am in a tiny minority then fair enough, but I personally can't imagine
 too many people go around insulting their customers and trying to turn them
 into anti-customers, especially when they are evangelists and are defending
 your product.
 Sorry if I can't see the sense in that, perhaps I am just weird.



 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  That's one way to look at it. But the much more likely view (and the one
  Adobe sees) is that the people who think he's guilty of bad behavior
 are
  not only a tiny minority, but are also wrong.
 
  On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
  wrote:
 
  
   Crikey, well if Adobe promote staff for bad behavior then we are all in
  the
   wrong job :-)
  
  
   On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
   
lol. Maybe you should wait until you see what poor replaced Adam is
   doing
next. (hint: it's not what a company does with an employee they are
  upset
with or replacing).
   
   
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
 
wrote:
   

 Adam,

 insulting people that try to support/defend you and Adobe is
  certainly
not
 very smart, and I suspect is one of the reasons you are being
  replaced.



   
   
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Judah McAuley

Fascinating. I guess things work differently there than anywhere else
I've been. Thank you for clearing that up.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote:

 Only if said employee was posting in the context of their position, and not
 responding personally to a personal accusation or comment.

 So, yes, you have a misunderstanding of the Adobe corporate culture. Glad to
 help clear that up for you!

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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Russ Michaels

Other way round Adam, you need to drop the vendetta.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote:


 Russ,

 It's clear you have beef with me. Saying I post first and think later is
 an insult. Just because you don't like what I post, doesn't mean I don't
 think about it. I promise that if you don't attack me, I won't attack you.

 -Adam

 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
 wrote:

 
  Brian, if you think it is wrong I wont argue, all I can suggest is try
  searching the cf-talk archives and will find otherwise. I only read the
  occasional post on here and even I  seen it to be a fairly
  regular occurrence, and that is discounting the ones directed at me.
  If I am in a tiny minority then fair enough, but I personally can't
 imagine
  too many people go around insulting their customers and trying to turn
 them
  into anti-customers, especially when they are evangelists and are
 defending
  your product.
  Sorry if I can't see the sense in that, perhaps I am just weird.
 
 
 
  On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
   That's one way to look at it. But the much more likely view (and the
 one
   Adobe sees) is that the people who think he's guilty of bad behavior
  are
   not only a tiny minority, but are also wrong.
  
   On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
   wrote:
  
   
Crikey, well if Adobe promote staff for bad behavior then we are all
 in
   the
wrong job :-)
   
   
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   

 lol. Maybe you should wait until you see what poor replaced Adam
 is
doing
 next. (hint: it's not what a company does with an employee they are
   upset
 with or replacing).


 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Russ Michaels 
 r...@michaels.me.uk
  
 wrote:

 
  Adam,
 
  insulting people that try to support/defend you and Adobe is
   certainly
 not
  very smart, and I suspect is one of the reasons you are being
   replaced.
 
 
 


   
   
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Adrocknaphobia

Dropped.

-Adam

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:


 Other way round Adam, you need to drop the vendetta.

 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  Russ,
 
  It's clear you have beef with me. Saying I post first and think later
 is
  an insult. Just because you don't like what I post, doesn't mean I don't
  think about it. I promise that if you don't attack me, I won't attack
 you.
 
  -Adam
 
  On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
  wrote:
 
  
   Brian, if you think it is wrong I wont argue, all I can suggest is try
   searching the cf-talk archives and will find otherwise. I only read the
   occasional post on here and even I  seen it to be a fairly
   regular occurrence, and that is discounting the ones directed at me.
   If I am in a tiny minority then fair enough, but I personally can't
  imagine
   too many people go around insulting their customers and trying to turn
  them
   into anti-customers, especially when they are evangelists and are
  defending
   your product.
   Sorry if I can't see the sense in that, perhaps I am just weird.
  
  
  
   On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
   
That's one way to look at it. But the much more likely view (and the
  one
Adobe sees) is that the people who think he's guilty of bad
 behavior
   are
not only a tiny minority, but are also wrong.
   
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
wrote:
   

 Crikey, well if Adobe promote staff for bad behavior then we are
 all
  in
the
 wrong job :-)


 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com
   wrote:

 
  lol. Maybe you should wait until you see what poor replaced
 Adam
  is
 doing
  next. (hint: it's not what a company does with an employee they
 are
upset
  with or replacing).
 
 
  On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Russ Michaels 
  r...@michaels.me.uk
   
  wrote:
 
  
   Adam,
  
   insulting people that try to support/defend you and Adobe is
certainly
  not
   very smart, and I suspect is one of the reasons you are being
replaced.
  
  
  
 
 


   
   
  
  
 
 

 

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Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Nicholas Tunney

Wow, its like history in the making, bridges being built, right here on
the cf-talk list.  I'll expect the president to claim this was his doing
on CNN at 5PM EDT.  Don't miss it!

-Nic

On 2/15/11 4:01 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.com wrote:


Dropped.

-Adam

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
wrote:


 Other way round Adam, you need to drop the vendetta.

 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Adrocknaphobia
adrocknapho...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  Russ,
 
  It's clear you have beef with me. Saying I post first and think
later
 is
  an insult. Just because you don't like what I post, doesn't mean I
don't
  think about it. I promise that if you don't attack me, I won't attack
 you.
 
  -Adam
 
  On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
  wrote:
 
  
   Brian, if you think it is wrong I wont argue, all I can suggest is
try
   searching the cf-talk archives and will find otherwise. I only read
the
   occasional post on here and even I  seen it to be a fairly
   regular occurrence, and that is discounting the ones directed at me.
   If I am in a tiny minority then fair enough, but I personally can't
  imagine
   too many people go around insulting their customers and trying to
turn
  them
   into anti-customers, especially when they are evangelists and are
  defending
   your product.
   Sorry if I can't see the sense in that, perhaps I am just weird.
  
  
  
   On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
   
That's one way to look at it. But the much more likely view (and
the
  one
Adobe sees) is that the people who think he's guilty of bad
 behavior
   are
not only a tiny minority, but are also wrong.
   
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Russ Michaels
r...@michaels.me.uk
wrote:
   

 Crikey, well if Adobe promote staff for bad behavior then we are
 all
  in
the
 wrong job :-)


 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Brian Kotek
brian...@gmail.com
   wrote:

 
  lol. Maybe you should wait until you see what poor replaced
 Adam
  is
 doing
  next. (hint: it's not what a company does with an employee
they
 are
upset
  with or replacing).
 
 
  On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Russ Michaels 
  r...@michaels.me.uk
   
  wrote:
 
  
   Adam,
  
   insulting people that try to support/defend you and Adobe is
certainly
  not
   very smart, and I suspect is one of the reasons you are
being
replaced.
  
  
  
 
 


   
   
  
  
 
 

 



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Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 7:46 PM,  wrote:
 http://www.codfusion.com/blog/post.cfm/so-there-s-this-story-about-a-frog-in-boiling-water


So you claim the following problems:
 - a rise in serious bugs and security flaws like the FCKeditor hack

The criteria for meriting a security patch have been pretty constant
over the years: remote exploitability with data disclosure or crash
potential. So I would say that the list at
http://www.adobe.com/support/security/#coldfusion proves you wrong.


 - slower response times to those bugs and flaws fixed (it takes a full day 
 for the staff in India to even see the problem)

Do you send your bugs to a product manager, the product manager gets
cracking and writes a patch, and sends that back to you?
I guess we just have different experiences here. My experience is that
if I sent a technical issue to a non-engineer he will just forward it
to an engineer X hours later, in effect introducing an X hour delay.


 - increasingly complex patches and updates. Patches used to be a simple 
 dropping of a jar file. Now when a patch comes out, people spend days having 
 to manually patch all their CF servers.

I don't see this as a significant change. In the total workflow that
starts with testing the patch in your own environment, scheduling
downtime, making backups, rolling out the patch, validating that the
rollout went right, whether you copy one file or a complete WEB-INF
folder is totally insignificant. (Though I would still love to see a
Maven repository so I can just update the version on my dependency.)


 - odd language additions - cfscript has plenty of odd things now because the 
 staff in India is inexperience in language development.

In a language with a 1-based index, where a query resultset is a map
of columns instead of a collection of rows, where in nested cfoutputs
the outer cfoutput looses its cursor position, where variables inside
a UDF mix freely with the variables outside it, where a UUID is a
35-byte string instead of a 36-byte string, you are seriously
complaining about what was recently added to cfscript?


Next, the points you want people to agree with:
 1. The Adobe ColdFusion project management should be based in North America 
 and have a long history in using the products. This provides the critical 
 link between the customers who use ColdFusion and the engineering staff.

Having product management in North America, a small land area with 5
timezones of water to the east and west, is just too inconvenient. For
the type of quick patch turnaround you are clamoring about product
managers are irrelevant anyway and the dedicated sales people can pick
up the slack for the rest.

As for contact between customers and the engineering staff I have a
story. I deliver training in India a few times a year and most of
those are for Indian companies doing contract work for US companies
(those 'critical clients' you mention). I once was in Bangalore for a
LiveCycle training when I went to a Flex event and was approached by
some people from the Adobe ColdFusion team who recognized me.
I think the engineering team doesn't need a product manager for that
critical link.


 2. The trouble ticket system needs to be finally addressed. It needs to be 
 switched to JIRA and properly monitored. We don't need a repeat of the 
 FCKEditor mess and its aftermath.

Sure. But what does this have to do with fckeditor? IIRC it was PSIRT
that dropped the ball, not the bugtracker. And what does this have to
do with a product manager? Are you suggesting that monitoring a bug
tracker is a job for a product manager?


 3. The ColdFusion ACPs should be treated as a group of caretakers for 
 Coldfusion and consulted in any major changes in the server or builder. These 
 are many of your core customers actually, you should already be doing this. 
 Plus, they should be completely free to voice their opinions.

I think ACPs have a pretty good idea of where ColdFusion is going.
With that in mind I can't think of a single major change where ACPs
were merely consulted. For every major change the ACPs were the ones
asking for it.

As for the frreedom to voice my opinion, my main concern is not to
piss of the team so they don't want to drink beer with me anymore. I
consider that a low probability event regardless of what I say :)


 4. A language committee needs to be set up to properly evolve the CFML 
 language. These people don't have to be from the competing CFML engines, but 
 they should be experienced in computer language development. Some ACPs may 
 qualify for this, but there are many people in academia, etc. that can be 
 called on to help.

I don't really see the point. A language consists of 2 parts: syntax
and functionality. I think the syntax is pretty much decided for the
next few years. We have CFML, we have cfscript and I don't see any
major overhaul happening where we start making CFML XML compliant or
something. A focus more on core language design principles for the
cfscript 

Re: SELECT - Option selected

2011-02-15 Thread Torrent Girl

this is an old post but I am pulling my hair out as well.

Does anyone know the answer to the select=true, select=selected problem?

It is not working in IE or FF for me.

TIA 

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Re: SELECT - Option selected

2011-02-15 Thread Brian Cain

If you are talking the HTML select element it is selected=selected

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 15, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Torrent Girl moniqueb...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 this is an old post but I am pulling my hair out as well.
 
 Does anyone know the answer to the select=true, select=selected problem?
 
 It is not working in IE or FF for me.
 
 TIA 
 
 

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Re: Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread James Holmes

Well, here's Adam's promotion:

http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/i-lvl-d-up-flash-builder-product-manager

I'll leave it to others to decide if they are in the wrong job.

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On 16 February 2011 02:17, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:

 Crikey, well if Adobe promote staff for bad behavior then we are all in the
 wrong job :-)


 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Brian Kotek brian...@gmail.com wrote:


 lol. Maybe you should wait until you see what poor replaced Adam is doing
 next. (hint: it's not what a company does with an employee they are upset
 with or replacing).

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Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Eric Cobb

  perhaps I am just weird.

No, you are a dick.  I thought we already established that!  ;)
(sorry Russ, I just couldn't resist!)

Thanks,

Eric Cobb
ECAR Technologies, LLC
http://www.ecartech.com
http://www.cfgears.com


On 2/15/2011 1:28 PM, Russ Michaels wrote:
 Brian, if you think it is wrong I wont argue, all I can suggest is try
 searching the cf-talk archives and will find otherwise. I only read the
 occasional post on here and even I  seen it to be a fairly
 regular occurrence, and that is discounting the ones directed at me.
 If I am in a tiny minority then fair enough, but I personally can't imagine
 too many people go around insulting their customers and trying to turn them
 into anti-customers, especially when they are evangelists and are defending
 your product.
 Sorry if I can't see the sense in that, perhaps I am just weird.



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Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Russ Michaels

Well you know being a dick certainly would be a great job, certainly more
fun than being a COO :-) (presuming it means the same thing over there as it
does over here of course)

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Eric Cobb cft...@ecartech.com wrote:


   perhaps I am just weird.

 No, you are a dick.  I thought we already established that!  ;)
 (sorry Russ, I just couldn't resist!)

 Thanks,

 Eric Cobb
 ECAR Technologies, LLC
 http://www.ecartech.com
 http://www.cfgears.com


 On 2/15/2011 1:28 PM, Russ Michaels wrote:
  Brian, if you think it is wrong I wont argue, all I can suggest is try
  searching the cf-talk archives and will find otherwise. I only read the
  occasional post on here and even I  seen it to be a fairly
  regular occurrence, and that is discounting the ones directed at me.
  If I am in a tiny minority then fair enough, but I personally can't
 imagine
  too many people go around insulting their customers and trying to turn
 them
  into anti-customers, especially when they are evangelists and are
 defending
  your product.
  Sorry if I can't see the sense in that, perhaps I am just weird.
 


 

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RE: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Mark A. Kruger

Russ - actually there could be some advantages. For example, Viagra would
make you taller.


-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 7:11 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Change in ColdFusion management


Well you know being a dick certainly would be a great job, certainly more
fun than being a COO :-) (presuming it means the same thing over there as it
does over here of course)

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Eric Cobb cft...@ecartech.com wrote:


   perhaps I am just weird.

 No, you are a dick.  I thought we already established that!  ;)
 (sorry Russ, I just couldn't resist!)

 Thanks,

 Eric Cobb
 ECAR Technologies, LLC
 http://www.ecartech.com
 http://www.cfgears.com


 On 2/15/2011 1:28 PM, Russ Michaels wrote:
  Brian, if you think it is wrong I wont argue, all I can suggest is try
  searching the cf-talk archives and will find otherwise. I only read the
  occasional post on here and even I  seen it to be a fairly
  regular occurrence, and that is discounting the ones directed at me.
  If I am in a tiny minority then fair enough, but I personally can't
 imagine
  too many people go around insulting their customers and trying to turn
 them
  into anti-customers, especially when they are evangelists and are
 defending
  your product.
  Sorry if I can't see the sense in that, perhaps I am just weird.
 


 



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Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Kelly

Simmer down now boys! lol

On 2/15/2011 9:16 PM, Mark A. Kruger wrote:
 Russ - actually there could be some advantages. For example, Viagra would
 make you taller.


 -Original Message-
 From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk]
 Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 7:11 PM
 To: cf-talk
 Subject: Re: Change in ColdFusion management


 Well you know being a dick certainly would be a great job, certainly more
 fun than being a COO :-) (presuming it means the same thing over there as it
 does over here of course)

 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Eric Cobbcft...@ecartech.com  wrote:

 perhaps I am just weird.

 No, you are a dick.  I thought we already established that!  ;)
 (sorry Russ, I just couldn't resist!)

 Thanks,

 Eric Cobb
 ECAR Technologies, LLC
 http://www.ecartech.com
 http://www.cfgears.com


 On 2/15/2011 1:28 PM, Russ Michaels wrote:
 Brian, if you think it is wrong I wont argue, all I can suggest is try
 searching the cf-talk archives and will find otherwise. I only read the
 occasional post on here and even I  seen it to be a fairly
 regular occurrence, and that is discounting the ones directed at me.
 If I am in a tiny minority then fair enough, but I personally can't
 imagine
 too many people go around insulting their customers and trying to turn
 them
 into anti-customers, especially when they are evangelists and are
 defending
 your product.
 Sorry if I can't see the sense in that, perhaps I am just weird.





 

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Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Gerald Guido

Worst. Thread. Evar.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Kelly webd...@gmail.com wrote:


 Simmer down now boys! lol

 On 2/15/2011 9:16 PM, Mark A. Kruger wrote:
  Russ - actually there could be some advantages. For example, Viagra would
  make you taller.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk]
  Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 7:11 PM
  To: cf-talk
  Subject: Re: Change in ColdFusion management
 
 
  Well you know being a dick certainly would be a great job, certainly more
  fun than being a COO :-) (presuming it means the same thing over there as
 it
  does over here of course)
 
  On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Eric Cobbcft...@ecartech.com  wrote:
 
  perhaps I am just weird.
 
  No, you are a dick.  I thought we already established that!  ;)
  (sorry Russ, I just couldn't resist!)
 
  Thanks,
 
  Eric Cobb
  ECAR Technologies, LLC
  http://www.ecartech.com
  http://www.cfgears.com
 
 
  On 2/15/2011 1:28 PM, Russ Michaels wrote:
  Brian, if you think it is wrong I wont argue, all I can suggest is try
  searching the cf-talk archives and will find otherwise. I only read the
  occasional post on here and even I  seen it to be a fairly
  regular occurrence, and that is discounting the ones directed at me.
  If I am in a tiny minority then fair enough, but I personally can't
  imagine
  too many people go around insulting their customers and trying to turn
  them
  into anti-customers, especially when they are evangelists and are
  defending
  your product.
  Sorry if I can't see the sense in that, perhaps I am just weird.
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

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Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Sean Corfield

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Worst. Thread. Evar.

How do we move a thread to cf-community? :)
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Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Gerald Guido

 How do we move a thread to cf-community? :)

Summon Darth Dinowitz.

G!

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Worst. Thread. Evar.

 How do we move a thread to cf-community? :)
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Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread denstar

Wait, wait, I got one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w_DqhpMuFY

Ok, now we can move it.

:Den

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I teach at Harvard that the world and the heavens, and the stars are
all real, but not so damned real, you see.
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On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Sean Corfield wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Gerald Guido wrote:
 Worst. Thread. Evar.

 How do we move a thread to cf-community? :)
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Re: cfx_pwtextcrypt CF9

2011-02-15 Thread denstar

There are examples of doing lots of weird PGP related things here:

http://subversion.assembla.com/svn/cfmlprojects/trunk/src/cfopenpgp/src/tag/cfopenpgp/cfc/openpgp.cfc

This uses BouncyCastle (you have to add the jars), so it's sorta
stand-alone from what CF comes with.

It's butt-ugly, but there are some tests a couple dirs up and over...

Sounds like the original question was sorted, but I'll toss it out
there anyway, as there's examples in there of doing most the java-ish
conversions and whatnot (bytearray stuff, etc.).

:Den

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On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Brook Davies wrote:

 We've been using cfx_pwtextcrypt since 2002, its worked fine on all CF
 versions right up to CF8. However, it looks like on the 64 Bit CF9, it no
 longer works. I assume it's a COM related issue. Does anyone know for sure?



 The tag was able to generate a public/private key pair using RSA 512 bit
 encryption and subsequently perform encryption/decryption using the keys
 generated. Does anyone know if there is a way to do this with CF9 without
 this CFX?



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Re: Change in ColdFusion management

2011-02-15 Thread Kelly

LOL

On 2/15/2011 10:18 PM, denstar wrote:
 Wait, wait, I got one!

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w_DqhpMuFY

 Ok, now we can move it.

 :Den


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JVM help!

2011-02-15 Thread Duncan

Hi Everyone,

We have recently put together a new CF server, moving from 32 bit, 4Gb RAM
Windows over to 64bit, 16Gb RAM Windows.

We have pretty much done a default set up, and placed the same set of
applications on the new server, and have run in the machine for a bit. After
a few weeks we have been noticing some cracks appear, and we now have some
issues that we have narrowed down to the JVM/CF setup.

Here is the setup on the old and new boxes:

4GB, Dual Xeon, 32bit windows, jdk1.6.0_13



java.args=-server -Xms512m -Xmx1000m -Dsun.io.useCanonCaches=false
-Dcoldfusion.fckupload=true -XX:PermSize=128m -XX:MaxPermSize=240m
-XX:+UseParallelGC -XX:+HeapDumpOnOutOfMemoryError
-Dsun.rmi.dgc.client.gcInterval=15
-Dsun.rmi.dgc.server.gcInterval=15
-Dcoldfusion.rootDir={application.home}/../
-Dcoldfusion.libPath={application.home}/../lib
-Dcoldfusion.classPath={application.home}/../lib/updates,{application.home}/../lib,{application.home}/../gateway/lib/,{application.home}/../wwwroot/WEB-INF/flex/jars,{application.home}/../wwwroot/WEB-INF/cfform/jars


Crashed a lot, had out of memory issues once every hour on a good day.



www.hairbodyskin.com.au takes 2,781ms (from FusionReactor)




16Gb, Quad Core, 64bit Windows, jdk1.6.0_13



java.args=-server –Xmx8192m -Xms8192m -Dsun.io.useCanonCaches=false
-XX:MaxPermSize=1024m -XX:+UseParallelGC -Xbatch
-Dcoldfusion.rootDir={application.home}/
-Djava.security.policy={application.home}/servers/cfusion/cfusion-ear/cfusion-war/WEB-INF/cfusion/lib/coldfusion.policy
-Djava.security.auth.policy={application.home}/servers/cfusion/cfusion-ear/cfusion-war/WEB-INF/cfusion/lib/neo_jaas.policy


Runs great, has no crashes, happily inside memory limits, but runs so slow.


www.hairbodyskin.com.au takes 10,361ms (from FusionReactor)

I must add that this is NOT the only application on this server, there are
many others, mostly built on the same code base, some older some newer.

I would like some advice on how to better adjust my settings - I think this
should be reasonably for those educated in the art because we are talking
(in some cases) a 5x difference in execution speeds.  I am thinking:

1) increasing GC interval to 60
2) fixing max and min perm size to 1024
3) putting xms down to 4096

Are these sensible? Any other suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

-- 
Duncan I Loxton
duncan.lox...@gmail.com


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Re: JVM help!

2011-02-15 Thread Wil Genovese

Set min max heap to be equal. 

Set gc intervals to 1

And try again. These are not hard set numbers but in many cases works good 
enough to start figuring out what is really happening.  

You should install monitoring package and look for the cause of the memory 
issue. Typically it's unexpected behavior in code.  Many times a query 
returning far more results than expected. 

Monitor, fix code monitor again, adjust settings as needed. 




Wil Genovese
Sr Web Application Developer / Sys Admin 

CFWebtools 

On Feb 15, 2011, at 10:48 PM, Duncan duncan.lox...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 Hi Everyone,
 
 We have recently put together a new CF server, moving from 32 bit, 4Gb RAM
 Windows over to 64bit, 16Gb RAM Windows.
 
 We have pretty much done a default set up, and placed the same set of
 applications on the new server, and have run in the machine for a bit. After
 a few weeks we have been noticing some cracks appear, and we now have some
 issues that we have narrowed down to the JVM/CF setup.
 
 Here is the setup on the old and new boxes:
 
 4GB, Dual Xeon, 32bit windows, jdk1.6.0_13
 
 
 
 java.args=-server -Xms512m -Xmx1000m -Dsun.io.useCanonCaches=false
 -Dcoldfusion.fckupload=true -XX:PermSize=128m -XX:MaxPermSize=240m
 -XX:+UseParallelGC -XX:+HeapDumpOnOutOfMemoryError
 -Dsun.rmi.dgc.client.gcInterval=15
 -Dsun.rmi.dgc.server.gcInterval=15
 -Dcoldfusion.rootDir={application.home}/../
 -Dcoldfusion.libPath={application.home}/../lib
 -Dcoldfusion.classPath={application.home}/../lib/updates,{application.home}/../lib,{application.home}/../gateway/lib/,{application.home}/../wwwroot/WEB-INF/flex/jars,{application.home}/../wwwroot/WEB-INF/cfform/jars
 
 
 Crashed a lot, had out of memory issues once every hour on a good day.
 
 
 
 www.hairbodyskin.com.au takes 2,781ms (from FusionReactor)
 
 
 
 
 16Gb, Quad Core, 64bit Windows, jdk1.6.0_13
 
 
 
 java.args=-server –Xmx8192m -Xms8192m -Dsun.io.useCanonCaches=false
 -XX:MaxPermSize=1024m -XX:+UseParallelGC -Xbatch
 -Dcoldfusion.rootDir={application.home}/
 -Djava.security.policy={application.home}/servers/cfusion/cfusion-ear/cfusion-war/WEB-INF/cfusion/lib/coldfusion.policy
 -Djava.security.auth.policy={application.home}/servers/cfusion/cfusion-ear/cfusion-war/WEB-INF/cfusion/lib/neo_jaas.policy
 
 
 Runs great, has no crashes, happily inside memory limits, but runs so slow.
 
 
 www.hairbodyskin.com.au takes 10,361ms (from FusionReactor)
 
 I must add that this is NOT the only application on this server, there are
 many others, mostly built on the same code base, some older some newer.
 
 I would like some advice on how to better adjust my settings - I think this
 should be reasonably for those educated in the art because we are talking
 (in some cases) a 5x difference in execution speeds.  I am thinking:
 
 1) increasing GC interval to 60
 2) fixing max and min perm size to 1024
 3) putting xms down to 4096
 
 Are these sensible? Any other suggestions?
 
 Thanks in advance!
 
 -- 
 Duncan I Loxton
 duncan.lox...@gmail.com
 
 
 

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Re: JVM help!

2011-02-15 Thread Duncan

Hi Will,

Thanks - but I am confused about your terminology. You state we are looking
for a memory issue, is this inextricably linked to the execution time? i.e.
could it be the JVM trying to cleanup the stuff in memory prior to the end
of the request?

As I pointed out the exact same code, with the exact same data works faster
on the old 32bit machine. If I can put some logic around this, on the
possible causes and how that relates to the JVM settings, I will perhaps be
able to make some better decisions.

Can you help expand on what we are looking for?

Thanks!

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Wil Genovese wilg...@gmail.com wrote:


 Set min max heap to be equal.

 Set gc intervals to 1

 And try again. These are not hard set numbers but in many cases works good
 enough to start figuring out what is really happening.

 You should install monitoring package and look for the cause of the memory
 issue. Typically it's unexpected behavior in code.  Many times a query
 returning far more results than expected.

 Monitor, fix code monitor again, adjust settings as needed.




 Wil Genovese
 Sr Web Application Developer / Sys Admin

 CFWebtools

 On Feb 15, 2011, at 10:48 PM, Duncan duncan.lox...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  Hi Everyone,
 
  We have recently put together a new CF server, moving from 32 bit, 4Gb
 RAM
  Windows over to 64bit, 16Gb RAM Windows.
 
  We have pretty much done a default set up, and placed the same set of
  applications on the new server, and have run in the machine for a bit.
 After
  a few weeks we have been noticing some cracks appear, and we now have
 some
  issues that we have narrowed down to the JVM/CF setup.
 
  Here is the setup on the old and new boxes:
 
  4GB, Dual Xeon, 32bit windows, jdk1.6.0_13
 
 
 
  java.args=-server -Xms512m -Xmx1000m -Dsun.io.useCanonCaches=false
  -Dcoldfusion.fckupload=true -XX:PermSize=128m -XX:MaxPermSize=240m
  -XX:+UseParallelGC -XX:+HeapDumpOnOutOfMemoryError
  -Dsun.rmi.dgc.client.gcInterval=15
  -Dsun.rmi.dgc.server.gcInterval=15
  -Dcoldfusion.rootDir={application.home}/../
  -Dcoldfusion.libPath={application.home}/../lib
 
 -Dcoldfusion.classPath={application.home}/../lib/updates,{application.home}/../lib,{application.home}/../gateway/lib/,{application.home}/../wwwroot/WEB-INF/flex/jars,{application.home}/../wwwroot/WEB-INF/cfform/jars
 
 
  Crashed a lot, had out of memory issues once every hour on a good day.
 
 
 
  www.hairbodyskin.com.au takes 2,781ms (from FusionReactor)
 
 
 
 
  16Gb, Quad Core, 64bit Windows, jdk1.6.0_13
 
 
 
  java.args=-server –Xmx8192m -Xms8192m -Dsun.io.useCanonCaches=false
  -XX:MaxPermSize=1024m -XX:+UseParallelGC -Xbatch
  -Dcoldfusion.rootDir={application.home}/
 
 -Djava.security.policy={application.home}/servers/cfusion/cfusion-ear/cfusion-war/WEB-INF/cfusion/lib/coldfusion.policy
 
 -Djava.security.auth.policy={application.home}/servers/cfusion/cfusion-ear/cfusion-war/WEB-INF/cfusion/lib/neo_jaas.policy
 
 
  Runs great, has no crashes, happily inside memory limits, but runs so
 slow.
 
 
  www.hairbodyskin.com.au takes 10,361ms (from FusionReactor)
 
  I must add that this is NOT the only application on this server, there
 are
  many others, mostly built on the same code base, some older some newer.
 
  I would like some advice on how to better adjust my settings - I think
 this
  should be reasonably for those educated in the art because we are talking
  (in some cases) a 5x difference in execution speeds.  I am thinking:
 
  1) increasing GC interval to 60
  2) fixing max and min perm size to 1024
  3) putting xms down to 4096
 
  Are these sensible? Any other suggestions?
 
  Thanks in advance!
 
  --
  Duncan I Loxton
  duncan.lox...@gmail.com
 
 
 

 

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Re: JVM help!

2011-02-15 Thread Carl Meyer

Hi Duncan, you do not have a -XX:PermSize=m set on your new 64 bit. Apply other 
suggestions mentioned plus a minimum setting for Perminant Generation as 
without one it can try size down to Java default. What size? The value depends 
perhaps with the MaxPermSize you have set already use say half so 
-XX:PermSize=512m .

You could also do some JVM logging to get an idea how the JVM args are running, 
sometimes it is good to know rather than just guessing at it.

HTH, Carl.

 
 Here is the setup on the old and new boxes:
 
 4GB, Dual Xeon, 32bit windows, jdk1.6.0_13
 
 
 
 java.args=-server -Xms512m -Xmx1000m -Dsun.io.useCanonCaches=false
 -Dcoldfusion.fckupload=true -XX:PermSize=128m -XX:MaxPermSize=240m
 -XX:+UseParallelGC -XX:+HeapDumpOnOutOfMemoryError
 -Dsun.rmi.dgc.client.gcInterval=15
 -Dsun.rmi.dgc.server.gcInterval=15
 -Dcoldfusion.rootDir={application.home}/../
 -Dcoldfusion.libPath={application.home}/../lib
 -Dcoldfusion.classPath={application.home}/../lib/updates,{application.
 home}/../lib,{application.home}/../gateway/lib/,{application.home}/..
 /wwwroot/WEB-INF/flex/jars,{application.home}/..
 /wwwroot/WEB-INF/cfform/jars
 
 
 
 
 16Gb, Quad Core, 64bit Windows, jdk1.6.0_13
 
 
 
 java.args=-server –Xmx8192m -Xms8192m -Dsun.io.useCanonCaches=false
 -XX:MaxPermSize=1024m -XX:+UseParallelGC -Xbatch
 -Dcoldfusion.rootDir={application.home}/
 -Djava.security.policy={application.
home}/ servers/cfusion/cfusion-ear/cfusion-war/WEB-INF/cfusion/lib/coldfusion.
 policy
 -Djava.security.auth.policy={application.
home }/servers/cfusion/cfusion-ear/cfusion-war/WEB-INF/cfusion/lib/neo_jaas.
 policy
 
 
 Runs great, has no crashes, happily inside memory limits, but runs so 
 slow.
 
 
 Duncan I Loxton
 duncan.lox...@gmail.com


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