Re: possibly OT: barcode scanning...
Have a look at Delicious Library: http://www.delicious-monster.com/ It uses a videcam to scan barcodes (Books, CDs, DVDs, Games) then retrieves the appropriate descriptive info from the web HTH Dick On Nov 3, 2005, at 3:31 AM, Andy wrote: -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 9:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: possibly OT: barcode scanning... This isnt' a CF question directly, but there might be a CF related answer so I'll ask it here anyway. My wife is getting ready to start a business selling CDs for on half.com. A friend who is planning on taking Jaime up on the offer, has over 1000 CDs which would take QUITE a long time to catalog. My thought is to get a barcode scanner and whip them all out. I wonder if anyone has done this before for their own collection and would care to share their method. andy ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223093 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: possibly OT: barcode scanning...
Andy 2) You can export to a TSV (Tab seperator) that is compatible with Excel-- below is a short sample; you can use any compatible VideoCam, not just an iSight 1) Might be good justification to buy a $499 Mac mini :) Dick Here's the file: Header line 3 lines of CDs (I put in the - lines to show the separation) medium associatedURL boxHeightInInches boxLengthInInches boxWeightInPounds boxWidthInInchesscannednumber upc asin country title fullTitle series numberInSeries edition aspect mediacount genre price currentValuelanguagenetrating description owner publisher published rarepurchaseDaterating usedsigned hasExperienced notes locationpaidcondition notownedartist conductor tracks tracklisting minutes music 0075992414821 B65M05 uk Appetite for destruction (1987) Appetite for destruction (1987) Audio CD #x00a3;5.83 #x00a3;2.39 03-11-2005 music 0074646729328 B02B9T uk Day Day Audio CD/ Import #x00a3;12.99 #x00a3;5.004.5 Kenneth Babyface Edmonds is pop's best melodic writer since the heyday of Stevie Wonder and Paul McCartney. On The Day, Babyface makes that connection explicit by co- writing How Come, How Long with Wonder, who also contributes a duet vocal, a harmonica solo, and long-time bassist Nathan East to the session. Even more impressive is the fact that the eight songs Babyface wrote for The Day without his hero's help also boast yearning melodies and ear-opening chord changes that are absolutely Wonder-ful. --Geoffrey Himes ENDSony29-10-1996 20-08-2005 BabyfaceEverytime I Close My Eyes/ Talk To Me/ I Said I Love You/ When Your Body Gets Weak/ Simple Days/ All Day Thinkin'/ Seven Seas/ The Day (That You Gave Me A Son)/ How Come, How Long/ This Is For The Lover In You music 0074643556323 B025E6 us Some Enchanted Evening Some Enchanted Evening Audio CD Album-Oriented Rock (AOR)/ Arena Rock $9.98 $3.93 4.5 Sony1990-10-25 12:00:00 + 2005-11-03 15:59:01 -0800 Blue #x00d6;yster Cult R.U. Ready 2 Rock/ E.T.I. (Extra Terrestrial Intelligence)/ Astronomy/ Kick Out The Jams/ Godzilla/ (Don't Fear) The Reaper/ We Gotta Get Out Of This Place On Nov 3, 2005, at 1:56 PM, Andy Matthews wrote: Dick... That software was actually my first thought. But: 1) I don't have a mac. 2) I don't know if that software would be able to export information to an Excel or CSV file. i wrote to the programmer (email addy found on their website) to ask him about the export option. We'll see what he says. If that's the case then I've got a friend with an iBook and an iSight. I'd be happy to purchase the software and borrow his computer for a while. !//-- andy matthews web developer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: possibly OT: barcode scanning... Have a look at Delicious Library: http://www.delicious-monster.com/ It uses a videcam to scan barcodes (Books, CDs, DVDs, Games) then retrieves the appropriate descriptive info from the web HTH Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223138 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX 7.01 on OSX dev only or production?
According to the web site http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/systemreqs/ The Enterprise and developer editions are available-- that means prodo CFMX on OS X! Yea! Dick On Sep 28, 2005, at 8:21 AM, Mark W. Breneman wrote: Does any one know if CFMX 7.01 for OSX is for development only? Can it run in production? If so, then Blue Dragon is not the only CFM server for OSX. Damon said: I'd like to especially extend a special Welcome! to Apple Mac OS X customers! Sorry it took so long, but I think this ColdFusion release is truly the perfect combination of Power, Productivity and Polish you've come to love and expect from this excellent platform. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:219448 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Positive Press For CFMX
This is a good article! I wish that MACR would have announced this at some Apple function (Such as Apple's Developer's Conference, a couple of months ago) to take advantage of the additional publicity. The CEOs of Adobe and intel were both on stage with Steve Jobs... In fact, Bruce Chizen, appeared after the announcement of the switch to MacTel chided Steve Ideally, it could have gone like this: Steve: Now, Here's Bruce Chizen, CEO of Adobe... Bruce: .Steve, What took you so long (Bruce actually said this) Audience: Laughter cheers Bruce: Adobe's long relationship support for Apple, yadda, yadda, yadda, Bruce: Oh, One more thing... The next release of ColdFusion MX, available in September, will fully support the Mac and OS X as a production platform (and all the good words) Audience: cheers Steve: ...Bruce, what took YOU so long Audience: Laughter cheers Now, that would have been great PR! --- BTW, CFMX already runs natively on the MacTel It would be interesting to know if it is practical to run CF Report Builder could be made to run native on the MacTel without requiring the windows OS. Anyone know? Dick On Sep 28, 2005, at 10:09 AM, Todd Mathews wrote: This was just released: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1864586,00.asp It's nice to finally see CFMX get the positive press it has deserved for quite a while. Hats off to the Merrimack team for a job done extraordinarily well! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:219478 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Can CF interact with mainframe?
Have a look at Mitem http://www.mitem.com/solutions/default.asp It's been years since I looked at their stuff-- but they specialize in interfaceware-- software solutions that allow incompatible systems to communicate and exchange data. I am sure its come a long way, but in the mid-80's they had a software program running on a PC or Mac that interfaced legacy apps on an IBM mainframe running CICS DL/I by appearing as a very fast unlimited storage 3270 terminal. No changes were required to the mainframe or software. Now, this interface software was programmable at a high level (similar to RPG) and at a low level. The interface program could talk to any of the software (databases, spreadsheets, etc) available on the PC Macs. And/or, it could talk other mainframes running other unmodified mainframe systems. I had a 16 plus year background at IBM, specializing in mainframe database data communication and migration from DOS to MVS. I was blown away when I saw this software running on a Mac, interfacing multiple mainframes and passing data between them. This was before the web, web services, XML, etc. Dick On Sep 28, 2005, at 3:49 PM, Maloy wrote: I have a basic question: Is there any way to run Cold Fusion on mainframe like MVS or OS/390 operating system. if not, is there a way in which these can interact even when Coldfusion runs on a Windows or Unix server? Please let me know. TIA Maloy ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:219541 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: WOT: Is there something we can do
Mmmm... Looks like the problem is already being addressed. I wonder why the media don't publicize the fact that these exist-- at least I heard/saw no mention of them. Dick On Aug 31, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Robert Munn wrote: Some ongoing sites for this sort of thing: http://neworleans.craigslist.org/about/help/katrina_cl.html http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/hurricanes/list/ http://boards.news.yahoo.com/boards/ http://messageboards.weather.com/3/OpenTopic? a=frms=253291764f=457105398 (appears to be down) Been watching the media-- Katrina Lots of people suffering, displaced, separated from family, loved ones. Made the contribution to Red Cross usual charities. Want to do more-- help people find their missing? Seems like a simple CF/DB web application-- a PeopleFinder-- ProjectHope Something like: DB --- Person Sought Last name Person Sought First Name Person Sought email/Location Person Seeking Last name Person Seeking First Name Person Seeking email/Location Message Date/Time connected simple search/enter apps via computer or cell phone I, or someone with more talent could whip together an application that would save a lot of misery. Hosting is a problem-- I will do it on my home DSL if nothing better can be found Thoughts Dick ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217083 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
WOT: Is there something we can do
Been watching the media-- Katrina Lots of people suffering, displaced, separated from family, loved ones. Made the contribution to Red Cross usual charities. Want to do more-- help people find their missing? Seems like a simple CF/DB web application-- a PeopleFinder-- ProjectHope Something like: DB --- Person Sought Last name Person Sought First Name Person Sought email/Location Person Seeking Last name Person Seeking First Name Person Seeking email/Location Message Date/Time connected simple search/enter apps via computer or cell phone I, or someone with more talent could whip together an application that would save a lot of misery. Hosting is a problem-- I will do it on my home DSL if nothing better can be found Thoughts Dick ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217075 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: WOT: Is there something we can do
Oh... I like the homesforkatrina.org site as a focal point for all things Katrina-- nice job!. What I hope to do is more limited: Want to find some one? Want to be found?? Dick On Aug 31, 2005, at 5:53 PM, Dana wrote: sounds like a wonderful idea. My CF skills are extremely modest, but let me know if I can help somehow. Also see the homesforkatrina.org site posted on community. Dana On 8/31/05, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Been watching the media-- Katrina Lots of people suffering, displaced, separated from family, loved ones. Made the contribution to Red Cross usual charities. Want to do more-- help people find their missing? Seems like a simple CF/DB web application-- a PeopleFinder-- ProjectHope Something like: DB --- Person Sought Last name Person Sought First Name Person Sought email/Location Person Seeking Last name Person Seeking First Name Person Seeking email/Location Message Date/Time connected simple search/enter apps via computer or cell phone I, or someone with more talent could whip together an application that would save a lot of misery. Hosting is a problem-- I will do it on my home DSL if nothing better can be found Thoughts Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:217077 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Control USB Camera through COLDFUSION
There are a couple of ways to do this--- many think them oddball, but the do the job. 1) You can run CF on the client desktop (CFEverywhere) where you have complete access to the Client (programs, devices, file system, etc) thru cfexecute. 2) You can run a Dashboard widget on OS X Tiger (programmed in HTML/ Javascript with an interface to the web and to the underlying OS applications, devices file system) In the latter case, there are several widgets (free) that already do this-- all you need do is supply the VideoCam. I just checked and there were 50 webcam widgets at : http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/ Since these are written in JavaScript, the source is available, I am currently watching SoftCam which shows a pic of a New York intersection, updated every 5 sec Dick On Aug 21, 2005, at 9:20 PM, Jim Davis wrote: -Original Message- From: ekcien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 12:02 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Control USB Camera through COLDFUSION We want to capture a 30 seconds video from a PC client and upload the video file to our database: Can we control the video/camera port to be able to start capture, end capture, save file in COLDFUSION. You could finagle such a thing on the _server_ (where ColdFusion is running) but not on the _client_ - ColdFusion isn't there to do anything! To do this on the client you would need some thing active and trusted: a Signed Java Applet, an ActiveX control or a Flash movie that was given permission to use the camera (the latter is probably the simplest option overall unless you find something off the shelf). There are other options... but those three cover the broadest range of possibility. Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215880 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
SOT: One of our own gets even better
Hey people pardon the OT or SOT. But, one of the really good guys on this list, rob rohan, is getting even better... On Saturday, rob the lovely K, will be married! Congrats the very best to both of you! http://67.124.145.42/look/ Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:215816 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Free Coldfusion Devs Tool
Kevin The screenshots look great! It reminds me of the GUI in OS X Server used to administer and montior the various servers and daemons (Mail, Apache, db, etc.). This GUI is said to be on of the big selling points of Apple's server software. This will certainly Flesh out CF administration! I started the download, but it appears that the client is win-only. Sigh, I use OS X! Do you have plans for cross-platform? Could it be released as a CFEverywhere app? CFMX 7 runs nicely on the desktop (within the CFEverywhere framework) but each user would need to dload deploy CFMX 7, himself (not re-distributable) TIA Dick On Feb 22, 2005, at 10:27 AM, Kevin Aebig wrote: Built for developers, Coldfusion Remote Dashboard is console desktop app to monitor and administer Coldfusion Application Servers. Features include: - Live Session Gathering - CFC Parsing and Invoking - Metric, Memory Harddisk Statistics - Datasource Management Querying - Uses built-in CF Administrative Password and roles authentication - Easily maintain multiple servers through server maps - Multiple consoles can login to a single server - Version detection alerts of new versions released - bunch of other goodies... This application is free for download and available at: http://www.keslabs.com/crd/ This initial release is still considered BETA and though the next release should be full version, please email me if you find any issues that I might have overlooked. Sincerely, Kevin KES Labs Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=1203.1123.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195945 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Free Coldfusion Devs Tool
Stan IMO, it is *not* incorrect to make such a post (announcing the apps for beta) to this list. Detail discussion of the apps, should likely be discussed off-list. I, for one, would like to see you post your announcement! Can we start again, Please! Dick Oo... They have the Internet on computers, now! -Homer Simpson On Feb 22, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Stan Winchester wrote: I was about to invite some members of this list to beta test two applications (products) I've been developing: a photo gallery and a links manager, but after reading this post I don't want to get my head bit off. If this is not an appropriate place to ask for input, sharing, etc... please name an appropriate forum to use? Thank you, Aftershock Web Design, Inc. by: Stan Winchester President/Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.aftershockweb.com/ Phone 503-244-3440 Fax 503-244-3454 If I wanted to know about your product I would have read it from a web feed or signed up to know about from an email notification list. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195950 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Getting IPTC data into a database
On Feb 20, 2005, at 7:07 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote: Spotlight way 1) upload save file -- automatically extracts metadata/content and inserts into an sql db 2) cfexecute CLI mdfind command to search metadata/content return matches How are you going to run an MacOS CLI command from a Linux CF server? ssh I am doing it as we speak! Dick ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195649 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Getting IPTC data into a database
I must admit that the Java class solution is easier to implement than either Imagemagick or adding a Mac with Tiger. Especially if it is a remote hosted or colo-ed box. I did notice that the metadata in the example image has at least 1 instance of incorrect metadata: [Iptc] Country/Primary Location - Ubited Kingdom This brings up a good question: Is it possible to add or edit metadata with the Java classes? This is important because the metadata of an image (or other file) often originates in several places, for example: 1) Image taken with a camera supplying metadata 2) image transferred to, say, Photoshop where image is resized, captioned, watermarked, etc. adding or changing metadata 3) Image transferred to some gallery or presentation where additional captioning is added/changed, etc. again adding or changing metadata. If the metadata additions changes are not made to the image file, itself, it defeats the concept of metadata. Dick On Feb 19, 2005, at 9:26 PM, James Holmes wrote: Java objects: http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/6.1/htmldocs/java24.htm The sample code for the class: http://www.drewnoakes.com/code/exif/sampleUsage.html I just wrote this from scratch as a pure translation of the sample code and I know bugger all about Java: cfobject action=create type=Java class=java.io.File name=oFile cfset jpegFile=oFile.init(C:\iptc_sample.jpg) cfobject action=create type=Java class=com.drew.metadata.Metadata name=oMetadata cfset MyMetaData = oMetadata.init() cfobject action=create type=Java class=com.drew.metadata.iptc.IptcReader name=oIptcReader cfset oIptcReader.init(jpegFile).extract(MyMetaData) cfobject action=create type=Java class=com.drew.metadata.iptc.IptcReader name=oIptcReader cfset directories = MyMetaData.getDirectoryIterator() cfloop condition=#directories.hasNext()# cfset directory = directories.next() cfset tags = directory.getTagIterator() cfloop condition=#tags.hasNext()# cfset tag = tags.next() pcfoutput#tag.toString()#/cfoutput/p /cfloop /cfloop This is the output for the sample image he provides (I renamed it on my system and therefore in the code above): (http://www.drewnoakes.com/code/exif/exifImages/ FujiFilm%20FinePixS1Pro%20(1 ).jpg) [Iptc] Directory Version - 2 [Iptc] Caption/Abstract - Communications [Iptc] Writer/Editor - Ian Britton [Iptc] Headline - Communications [Iptc] By-line - Ian Britton [Iptc] By-line Title - Photographer [Iptc] Credit - Ian Britton [Iptc] Source - FreeFoto.com [Iptc] Object Name - Communications [Iptc] Date Created - Thu Jun 20 00:00:00 WST 2002 [Iptc] City - [Iptc] Province/State - [Iptc] Country/Primary Location - Ubited Kingdom [Iptc] Category - BUS [Iptc] Supplemental Category(s) - Communications [Iptc] Urgency - 53 [Iptc] Keywords - Communications [Iptc] Copyright Notice - ian Britton - FreeFoto.com -Original Message- From: Warren Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 20 February 2005 11:02 To: CF-Talk Subject: Getting IPTC data into a database James, thanks a lot for the heads-up. I'd actually ran across the Java class you pointed me to earlier today, but since I had no idea how to implement it, I let it go. Right now, I'm trying to find out how I would run the Metadata Extractor Library from within ColdFusion (if run is the right term). I don't mind digging for the info, it is after all me who will benefit from getting this working. But if you wouldn't mind posting a bit of sample CF code for running it, I would be very grateful. Regards, Warren L. Parsons ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195651 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Getting IPTC data into a database
On Feb 20, 2005, at 9:00 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote: Dick Applebaum wrote: On Feb 20, 2005, at 7:07 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote: Dick Applebaum wrote: Spotlight way 1) upload save file -- automatically extracts metadata/content and inserts into an sql db 2) cfexecute CLI mdfind command to search metadata/content return matches How are you going to run an MacOS CLI command from a Linux CF server? ssh SSH through cfexecute? And I suppose you would use NFS to store the file on the Mac mini so it would get indexed in the first place. AFAIK, you can... If the following statements are true: As an operating system with a Unix core, Mac OS X is able to support the Network File System (NFS) protocol. NFS is the accepted industry standard for sharing files between Unix systems. Although NFS is a built-in component of Mac OS X, users cannot access this feature without special knowledge and use of the command-line. NFS Manager solves this problem by providing an easy-to-use Aqua interface for the definition of NFS connections. A Mac OS X computer can either make folders available to the network so that they can be shared with other Mac OS X or Unix computers. The system can also access files of other Mac OS X or Unix computers that have been made available via NFS. I have had no need to use NFS, so I have not tried this. Conceivably, you could expand the OS X metadata indexing/searching to include files resident on non-OS X boxes-- though it would not be as fast (for indexing). Consider: 1) With CFMX7, you could use an Event Gateway, to watch a directory structure on a non-Os X box. 2) When an event is triggered, your CF/Java app could request (of the OS X box) indexing (importing) of the files and add it to a metadata store for that box (this store could be anywhere, but properly should reside on the same box as the indexed files). 3) Searches would be performed by the OS X box, via cfexecute (discussed earlier). The search could be controlled to search across multiple metadata stores (boxes) or limited to a specific directory structure. The Event Gateway and triggered indexing are necessary because the non-OS X file systems do not automatically trigger and perform metadata/content indexing. It may sound a little gross, but it is prolly more efficient and up-to-date than Verity. Or, just save the files on the OS X box it is all done automatically. BTW, there are other ways than SSH... to perform the search. On The OS X box, the searcher runs as a OS process, handling 0-n concurrent client metadata search requests. Applications like the Finder, CLI, Mail, iChat, iTunes, iPhoto, etc., can all perform metadata searches. This is roughly analogous to a db server handling simultaneous requests from clients on the same box (except it is done at the OS level). I think that somebody, with even my limited 'Nix knowledge, could write an API that allows requests from other client boxes. If I were to do this, I would make it look and act as close, as I could, to cfquery a cfmdquery custom tag After all, it just a SQLite db with a bunch of predefined table columns. Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195663 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: (Admin) New feature question
On Feb 20, 2005, at 10:09 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: I'm adding in a new feature and wanted to hear what people thought about it and what should be added/altered. Basically, any subscriber to House of Fusion/Fusion Authority (not just to a specific list) can enter personal keywords in association to a piece of data. This means that if you like the FA article on CF 7 little notes (http://www.fusionauthority.com/Article.cfm/ArticleID:4399), then you can add a keyword to it like CF 7, CF 7 gotcha's, freitag or whatever else you want. If you like a thread on RegEx in CF-Talk or the RegEx list, you can label it as RegEx or the like. One question I have concerns threads vs. messages. Would you prefer to label an entire thread or a specific message (or both)? What do you think is missing here? Let me know what you think. Thanks Michael Do you mean that Jochem (or anybody) could label my threads or posts with brilliant, mediocre. scheise keywords or somesuch? If so, are searches for these keywords available to anybody? Will there be the ability to display the defined keywords? How will this differ from the ability we currently have with Google? I kinda' like the idea of fleshing out the search by adding applicable keywords not contained in the original posts/threads Keywords are, likely, the first manifestation of metadata!. Dick ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195664 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Getting IPTC data into a database
On Feb 20, 2005, at 10:51 AM, Dave Watts wrote: It may sound a little gross, but it is prolly more efficient and up-to-date than Verity. Have you actually looked at the version of Verity that comes with CFMX 7? Just briefly (NA on my platform). I understand that it includes quite a bit of metadata. Unless I misunderstand, though, You still must create collections and periodically recreate them, periodically, to bring the collection in synch with the files. (and the Verity search is NA while this is being done). The process I referred to, above, updates the index on the fly (in the background) whenever a file is added, changed, deleted. Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195667 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: (Admin) New feature question
On Feb 20, 2005, at 10:54 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: Michael Do you mean that Jochem (or anybody) could label my threads or posts with brilliant, mediocre. scheise keywords or somesuch? Yes. You make up your own label for the thread. It may be informative to everyone or just to you. OK, both is good. If so, are searches for these keywords available to anybody? yes. And a tracker to say which 'key words' are the most popular. Will there be the ability to display the defined keywords? What do you mean? Kinda' what the tracker does-- shows the keywords that people have already defined. How will this differ from the ability we currently have with Google? what do we currently have with google? Like GMail? Kind of the same. Not exactly, but I kinda' like the idea of fleshing out the search by adding applicable keywords not contained in the original posts/threads That was the idea. I could either have it so that people can keyword a post and others can add to it or I can allow people to have their own keywords for a post. Oh, if you have private keywords, then I suggest that you implement something like: Michael's date last read. That way each user could find posts that he recently read (regardless of when posted). Searches like last month, this week, today, are a great timesaver. (Recently Played in iTunes) I may do both. Allow a user to define the keywords they think I suspect that this will be an evolving thing... for you as the implementor and us as users. We have the advantages of: -- reasonably limited topic area -- interested, qualified participants at all levels of expertise -- willingness to contribute (maybe too willing :) for the benefit of others -- pretty civil behavior, on topic, without many flames should go with a post and their own. Problem is, a long post can start out as regex and end up as a flame war. There is less of this on HOF lists than most lists. I say, go for it... could even be a product or a future feature to the CF engines. Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195673 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Getting IPTC data into a database
On Feb 20, 2005, at 10:56 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote: Dick Applebaum wrote: On Feb 20, 2005, at 9:00 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote: SSH through cfexecute? And I suppose you would use NFS to store the file on the Mac mini so it would get indexed in the first place. AFAIK, you can... If the following statements are true: As an operating system with a Unix core, Mac OS X is able to support the Network File System (NFS) protocol. NFS is the accepted industry standard for sharing files between Unix systems. Conceivably, you could expand the OS X metadata indexing/searching to include files resident on non-OS X boxes-- though it would not be as fast (for indexing). Consider: 1) With CFMX7, you could use an Event Gateway, to watch a directory structure on a non-Os X box. 2) When an event is triggered, your CF/Java app could request (of the OS X box) indexing (importing) of the files and add it to a metadata store for that box (this store could be anywhere, but properly should reside on the same box as the indexed files). 3) Searches would be performed by the OS X box, via cfexecute (discussed earlier). The search could be controlled to search across multiple metadata stores (boxes) or limited to a specific directory structure. The Event Gateway and triggered indexing are necessary because the non-OS X file systems do not automatically trigger and perform metadata/content indexing. It may sound a little gross Compared to the original question, avoiding one write and read cycle of a file, I think it is more then a little gross. If automatic system-level metadata/content indexing and search were available on your OS, would you consider using it? It likely will be in the next 1-3 years... just sooner on some than others. Dick ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195675 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Getting IPTC data into a database
On Feb 20, 2005, at 11:08 AM, Dave Watts wrote: Just briefly (NA on my platform). I understand that it includes quite a bit of metadata. You might want to try using CFMX 7 on a supported platform, then. Seriously - it's nice that you can use OS X personally, but if you're developing and selling CFMX solutions to others, you should be able to take advantage of the features you get out of the box on any supported platform. Ah, but I don't do that anymore... I am retired I just diddle (some say meddle) for my own use and for friends and family. Some of my OT and SOT posts are out there, I know. But, it is a way to present ideas, gauge interest, and maybe give something back to a community that has been a great assist to me, personally. Now, to be perfectly honest, I hadn't read through the whole thread when I got to your post, so I don't know if Verity would let you access IPTC metadata. As I read the docs, it does... but the originator was on BD Linux... Unless I misunderstand, though, You still must create collections and periodically recreate them, periodically, to bring the collection in synch with the files. (and the Verity search is NA while this is being done). You can add items to an index on a per-item basis, if you want to. That's always been true, actually, as far as I can remember. It has been about 4 or 5 years since I wrote an app using Verity. I imagine it is quite different, today. If you were indexing HTML pages, you would need to recreate the entire collection. I suppose you could have written a program these pages individually, extract the relevant data, and update the appropriate index... don't think that would have been practical, at the time. Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195677 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Getting IPTC data into a database
On Feb 20, 2005, at 11:35 AM, Dave Watts wrote: If automatic system-level metadata/content indexing and search were available on your OS, would you consider using it? Sure, but that doesn't appear to be the original question, as far as I can tell. Suggesting using an event gateway to send messages from a PC to a Mac is probably not going to be the best solution for the original poster. Correct! I admitted as much in an earlier post... the Java Classes to extract metadata... when it became clear that these were available to a remote hosted BD on Linux. Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195678 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Getting IPTC data into a database
On Feb 20, 2005, at 12:14 PM, Warren Parsons wrote: Hello, I am the original poster. Through a bit of cranial flatulence on my part, I posted that my issues had been solved in a thread other than this one. I ended up using the Java class mentioned earlier, and it works like a charm. Although the discussion has been stimulating from an academic standpoint, adding a Mac to the network was never a realistic option. Sorry, I didn't realize this from the original post started that discussion. Also speaking from an academic standpoint, I wonder if users of Apple X-Serves get any of that kind of functionality to play with (or will in the near future). Apple discusses Tiger and Tiger server interchangeably, much of the time (as they did with the prior versions). Since Spotlight is part of the core OS and file system, it suspect that it will be part of both OS X and OS X server... As a photographer who deals with metadata regularly, I can appreciate the value of robust system-level support for it. Yes, many feel that the major new Feature of OS X Tiger is the Spotlight content/metadata search capability. Steve Jobs said it will change the way you use your computer I t already has for the millions using iTunes (it contains a limited subset of content/metadata search for mp3 (and other) audio files). Many (including myself) think it will also change the way we write web and desktop applications. Thanks to everyone who posted with ideas and suggestions, especially James, whose help was invaluable. Yes, the Java class solution was enlightening. I never say an answer tho: Are you able to edit/change the metadata with the Java classes? TIA Dick Regards, Warren L. Parsons ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195704 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Getting IPTC data into a database
Warren Depending on your timeframe may be a an easier way. The coming release of OS X Tiger (1st half 2005) indexes metadata automatically. For as little as $500 for a Mac mini you could add this capability, by simply putting the box on your network, then saving the images on the box. The metadata store is based on SQLite you can issue SQL-Like queries thru the CLI via cfexecute: $ mdfind kMDItemAcquisitionModel == 'Canon PowerShot S45' Or, if you want to extract the metadata for specific images and put it in your own db, you can easily do this too: $ mdls myImage.jpg The first link, below, gives the overview, the second gives some examples of queries and metadata extraction. This has been demoed on multiple occasions by Steve Jobs is wicked fast. It is an expansion of the metadata indexing/search/extraction used in iTunes to include all common file types. OS X Tiger is currently in beta test Apple is pretty good about meeting its software release deadlines. http://developer.apple.com/macosx/tiger/ and http://developer.apple.com/macosx/tiger/spotlight.html HTH Dick On Feb 19, 2005, at 1:57 PM, Warren Parsons wrote: I'm trying to find a way to extract IPTC information from a JPG and insert that data into a database (MySQL in this case). For the uninitiated, IPTC information is metadata such as a photo's Caption, Copyright info, Keywords, etc, all of which are usually specified by the author in an image editing or cataloging program (Photoshop or ACDSee). The method I've worked out thus far is to use ImageMagick (via CFEXECUTE) to output a text file containing the JPG's IPTC information. Then I read the text file (CFFILE) and parse out the information I want and pass it to a query to insert into the DB. What I would *like* to find is a more efficient way of getting from Point A to Point B, namely one that doesn't involve creating and reading a text file as an intermediate step. I'm no expert on ImageMagick, but I've done a lot of searching and haven't found any information on passing the returned IPTC information directly to a variable, rather than a text file. I've also experimented with using CFFILE's READBINARY action directly on the JPG, and although the desired data is contained in the result, it looks to be a major pain to parse it out, as there's an awful lot of extraneous information in the result, and I'm not sure how consistent the output will be from file to file. I'm not real confident that this is the best path to follow. My ImageMagic-TXT file-CFFILE-DB method is technically workable, but I'm not sure how well it will work when dealing with large numbers of JPGs (probably from 25 to 100 at a go). Any answers, assistance or just plain brainstorming on this matter would be greatly appreciated. I'm running on a Linux machine, so I'm afraid I can't use the Windows-only custom tags that are available. Many thanks, Warren L. Parsons ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195578 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Getting IPTC data into a database
On Feb 19, 2005, at 4:13 PM, Jochem van Dieten wrote: Dick Applebaum wrote: The coming release of OS X Tiger (1st half 2005) indexes metadata automatically. For as little as $500 for a Mac mini you could add this capability, by simply putting the box on your network, then saving the images on the box. The metadata store is based on SQLite you can issue SQL-Like queries thru the CLI via cfexecute: $ mdfind kMDItemAcquisitionModel == 'Canon PowerShot S45' So you exchange one cfexecute call for another one. Oh no wait, it has to run on an entirely different machine with a different OS too. I understand your desire to promote Mac's whereever you can, but would you really consider this a feasible solution? Jochem Not necessarily... just saving the files does the indexing of content and metadata, automatically. If desired, you could eliminate all the imagemagic extraction sql db uptate. Then just replace the cfquery for searching with a cfexecute of a metadata equivalent. (this is a client server relationship similar to a db server). So, easier, faster, more capability... that sounds like a pretty good option! Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195583 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Getting IPTC data into a database
On Feb 19, 2005, at 6:17 PM, Jochem van Dieten wrote: Sorry, went out for a while... I understand your desire to promote Mac's whereever you can, but would you really consider this a feasible solution? Actually, on the Apple lists, I promote CF get a ration from the PHP people. But, I am not shy-- if a better way exists, I promote it... and take the flack. Not necessarily... just saving the files does the indexing of content and metadata, automatically. If desired, you could eliminate all the imagemagic extraction sql db uptate. Then just replace the cfquery for searching with a cfexecute of a metadata equivalent. (this is a client server relationship similar to a db server). Like I said: you replace one cfexecute with another one. Imagemagic way: 1) upload save file 2) cfexecute to imagemagic to extract metadata 3) cfquery to insert into sql db 4) cfquery to search metadata return matches Spotlight way 1) upload save file -- automatically extracts metadata/content and inserts into an sql db 2) cfexecute CLI mdfind command to search metadata/content return matches Seems like 2 less steps-- yes, one is a cfexecute, but it is a highly-tuned OS-level sql query against a sql server (included in the Spotlight implementation). The other, the indexing, is also highly-tuned--- a daemon detects file changes, extracts content metadata updates the db. If you wish, you can easily write a cfmdquery custom tag to hide the cfexecute for the search. The other advantages is that it automatically indexes both content and metadata-- on all common file formats, word, pdf, excel-- even cfm cfc But you get an extra machine and an extra OS to manage. That is true, but anyone who knows Linux/Unix knows OS X... at least at the CLI-level. And is any colo going to allow a Mac-mini in his racks or do you need an XServe? Good point, but a colo wasn't mentioned as one of the reqts. A Mac plays very nicely on a network of win 'Nix machines (it has to). I'm not suggesting that it is a solution for everyone... just an option, for some. Dick Jochem ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195609 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Getting IPTC data into a database
On Feb 19, 2005, at 7:49 PM, James Holmes wrote: Java way: 1) Call class to return just the chosen info on the single file in which you are interested. vs cfexecute name=mdls arguments=/mypath/myfile variable=myMetadata gives: kMDItemAttributeChangeDate = 2004-10-20 01:00:15 -0700 kMDItemBitsPerSample = 24 kMDItemColorSpace = RGB kMDItemContentType = public.jpeg kMDItemContentTypeTree = (public.jpeg, public.image, public.data, public.item, public.content) kMDItemDisplayName = metadata.jpg kMDItemFSContentChangeDate = 2004-10-19 00:13:04 -0700 kMDItemFSCreationDate = 2004-10-19 00:13:04 -0700 kMDItemFSCreatorCode = 0 kMDItemFSFinderFlags = 0 kMDItemFSInvisible = 0 kMDItemFSLabel = 0 kMDItemFSName = metadata.jpg kMDItemFSNodeCount = 0 kMDItemFSOwnerGroupID = 501 kMDItemFSOwnerUserID = 501 kMDItemFSSize = 21917 kMDItemFSTypeCode = 0 kMDItemID = 246476 kMDItemKind= JPEG Image kMDItemLastUsedDate= 2004-10-19 00:13:04 -0700 kMDItemPixelHeight = 213 kMDItemPixelWidth = 624 kMDItemResolutionHeightDPI = 72 kMDItemResolutionWidthDPI = 72 kMDItemUsedDates = (2004-10-19 00:13:04 -0700) and this is a highly tuned OS-level function (prolly written in C) vs a Java function. Hmm, hard choice... It *is* a hard choice... I f you have a Mac running Tiger available Say what you will, but Mac Tiger has a built-in, automatic metada/content SQL db as part of the core file system and OS... Something like this was available in BeOS, and planned for Longhorn (removed). Apple began work on this in 1999 and has a patent, released recently. Apple is said to have a 1-3 year lead in this technology. Dick -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 20 February 2005 11:39 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Getting IPTC data into a database [snip] Imagemagic way: 1) upload save file 2) cfexecute to imagemagic to extract metadata 3) cfquery to insert into sql db 4) cfquery to search metadata return matches Spotlight way 1) upload save file -- automatically extracts metadata/content and inserts into an sql db 2) cfexecute CLI mdfind command to search metadata/content return matches [snip] ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:195612 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
SOT: A difficult but interesting read
Below, is a quote from an interesting article about the the new IBM/Sony/Toshiba Cell chip... and what the author thinks the effects will be on consumer electronics and computing. Cell V's Java I explained the differences in part 2 but I thought of this afterwards (of course): What would happen if you were to combine them? The result would be a application which would work on (almost) every Platform / OS and take full advantage of the Cells. Going further, this could lead to applications in which the GUI and logic is written in a scripting language and the heavy processing in a more complex language. Such applications will be quick and easy to develop and automatically cross platform. The bit about GUI and logic is written in a scripting language jumped out at me... The GUI could be the Browser with A/V plugins (Flash, QuckTime, WMP, etc). The scripting language could be JavaScript and CFML. Here's the article: http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cells/Cell0.html Enjoy Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:194963 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
Octal Absolute Never trust a program that translates code from one form nto another! :) On Feb 15, 2005, at 9:18 AM, Dave Watts wrote: This is tunring into the which is better, CF, ASP or PHP debate. To answer your question as to which is best, it would be JSP ;) Wow, you actually picked the worst of the four! Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:194800 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Tree Traversal / Storage Algorithm
I was going to suggest Joe Celko, too... it is worth the ea! Dick On Feb 14, 2005, at 8:12 PM, Rob Munn wrote: Joe Celko has a great example of tree modelling using nested sets in SQL for Smarties. In fact, he has a PHP class for doing just this released under gpl. Check it out: http://phpclasses.mirrors.nyphp.org/browse/package/1374.html - Original Message - From: Joe Rinehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Tree Traversal / Storage Algorithm It can also be done w/o recursion using what's known as modified preorder tree traversal, which is a really neat extension of the adjancency list model. There's a good tutorial on it at http://www.sitepoint.com/article/hierarchical-data-database one day I'll blog it into CF. -joe On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:57:52 -, Paul Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like you will be needing a recursive type of function to do this... Funnily enough, I just wrote something for a manufacturers stock control system where they have an end product and the component tree used to describe the item can be n levels deep and a items wide. I ended up using the function below to build a structure recursively by calling itself so that it traversed the entire structure one layer at a time. cffunction name=retrieveItemComponents access=public returnType=struct output=true hint=Recursively lists all the child items for a specific parent item cfargument name=ItemID type=numeric required=true cfquery name=q datasource=#instance.dsn# SELECT I.ItemName, S.ItemID AS ChildItemID FROM Items I, SubItems S WHERE I.ItemID = cfqueryparam value=#arguments.ItemID# cfsqltype=CF_SQL_INTEGER AND I.ItemID = S.ParentItemID /cfquery cfif q.recordcount GT 0 cfset var ItemStruct = StructNew() cfset ItemStruct.siblings = cfloop query=q cfset var currentItem = listItems(-1,ChildItemID,-1) cfset ItemStruct.ItemID = ChildItemID cfset ItemStruct.ItemName = currentItem.ItemName cfset ItemStruct.ItemCode = currentItem.ItemCode !--- here we go with the recursive bit --- cfset StructInsert(ItemStruct, ItemID#ChildItemID#, retrieveItemComponents(ChildItemID, arguments.enabledOutput)) cfset ItemStruct.siblings = ListAppend(ItemStruct.siblings, ChildItemID) /cfloop cfreturn ItemStruct cfelse cfreturn var ItemStruct = StructNew() /cfif /cffunction Essentially, we have to tables, Items is the one storing the items and SubItems has just two fields.. ItemID and ParentItemID. This allows me to represent a tree structure of any width and depth... There are probably ways to do this in some forms of SQL but this method was my only option. It's reasonably neat and produces a nice little structure to use... Paul ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:194674 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flex
I agree with Jeff, here! The web server market is bifurcating (can't believe I said that)! Sure, the shared hosts providers and server farms will be with for us a while (maybe a long while), but the one-sies, the small web hosts are coming... (as sure as the bloggers are replacing the traditional media as a source for information and news. Anyone with a $500 computer, a $19/mo DSL connection (and little more) can host a credible web site... and provide as much service to their clientele as, say, Victoria's Secret, does to theirs. Macromedia's server software offerings are geared to serve the larger customers, and I suspect they will be successful. To the smaller, emerging shop, Macromrdia's cost of entry is way out there. They can not afford it! They will look elsewhere. I believe this market will be served by open-source and proprietary software vendors with more flexible offerings: Laszlo (God I hate typing that name), New Atlanta, Railo, to mention a few. No disrespect to Macromedia intended... but if they do not supply their server products at affordable prices, the smaller customers will seek alternatives. that will. That's the free market. Dick On Feb 13, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Jeff Chastain wrote: I appreciate the shared server availability, but some people would like to utilize this on a dedicated server or in house. Granted, Flex has some really nice capabilities, but I don't know that it is nice enough to warrant a $14K license cost. Macromedia is pricing it right out of my market for sure. -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 3:32 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flex kinda really thats what flex is :) You can run flex right in with cfm, while you certainly can run it with other languages obviously its built to run with cfm. and now with cfm 7 and its included small flex engine, its really already heading in that direction! It all comes down to price and availabilty to run on shared servers, once thats in place then look out! Anyone notice how all these cool technologies have support for for the other server sides, except PHP? I guess you can throw that into the cfm vs php argument From: Jay McEntire [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 3:17 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Flex I like flex, I think its powerful and introduces new reasons why flash is more of an advantage then a disadvanteage. I will have to agree though that its far to expensive for it to become real popular. If macromedia would get their heads on straight any stop adding more and more apps for us to learn, and instead integrate their technology into one huge mega appnow that would be awesome. MM...Lets have a CFML-FLASH-FLEX server language. Imaginecall it ColdFusion MEGA. use cfml to build your flex store, all your flash apps, and all your html database pages.. WOOT! J On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 00:35:45 -0500, dave wrote: just ran across this, not flex but flash, remoting cfc http://www.snappmx.com From: dave Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:46 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flex lol as long as Will doesnt install it so that it will work, im ok with that! you're still mad about the girls huh! haha From: Will Tomlinson Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 7:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flex Mike D! Install CFX_SPELL on HoF! dave is killing me here! :) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:194477 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flex
On Feb 13, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:58:07 -0800, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (as sure as the bloggers are replacing the traditional media as a source for information and news. Hmm, I'd say that's a bit of an unrealistic claim but it's OT... According to what I understand it was the bloggers who jumped all over the SWIF boats Bush's Nat. Guard stories. Dan Rather might disagree with you. The part of the sentence you snipped (before the as sure as) was OT Anyone with a $500 computer, a $19/mo DSL connection (and little more) can host a credible web site... and provide as much service to their clientele as, say, Victoria's Secret, does to theirs. I think you'll find most DSL / cable connection agreements prohibit you from operating a fixed service from your house like that. When I first changed to SBC, several years ago, I was told by the SBC Rep that this was OK. You didn't get a fixed IP address, but there are free DNS resolver services that handle this. That was several years ago... because of competition, I get the impression, from Comcast SBC advertising, that the current prices are lower and/or the options better, Dick. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:194496 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Flex
On Feb 13, 2005, at 7:16 PM, Dave Watts wrote: Sure, the shared hosts providers and server farms will be with for us a while (maybe a long while), but the one-sies, the small web hosts are coming... (as sure as the bloggers are replacing the traditional media as a source for information and news. There are two problems with this statement. First, the whole blogging phenomenon is hardly replacing the traditional media. It's certainly supplementing it for a lot of people, and it may draw attention to news that's underreported by the mainstream media, but it's still marginal at best. I have no reason to believe that'll change any time soon. Second, how you get from that to thinking that everyone will run their own web server I don't know. I suspect that any movement here is actually going in the opposite direction. Web hosting, like many other things, takes advantage of economies of scale. It is a prediction! I didn't say everyone! Anyone with a $500 computer, a $19/mo DSL connection (and little more) can host a credible web site... and provide as much service to their clientele as, say, Victoria's Secret, does to theirs. Aside from the fact that this is usually against your licensing agreement, as Sean pointed out, this simply isn't going to fly. Again, economies of scale come into play. See my comment to Sean;s post. I already have the computer and the DSL/Cable connection. There's a bunch of infrastructure behind any web site, even small insignificant ones. Why would anyone want to be responsible for that if they can avoid it? I am not talking about Traditional production sites, but: A developer, hosting his own site for client customer demos training A family with kids wanting to publish a personal site for friends family (the cost savings of sending each new picture of the kids, is pretty good justification) These sites, are low volume, low concurrency, don't need to be bullet-proof or even on available on-demand, As mentioned above, I already have the DSL/Cable connection and the computer. I can buy a package that includes the rest of the infrastructure pre-installed! To the smaller, emerging shop, Macromrdia's cost of entry is way out there. They can not afford it! They will look elsewhere. I believe this market will be served by open-source and proprietary software vendors with more flexible offerings: Laszlo (God I hate typing that name), New Atlanta, Railo, to mention a few. No disrespect to Macromedia intended... but if they do not supply their server products at affordable prices, the smaller customers will seek alternatives. that will. This is nothing new. Linux/Apache/MySQL/Perl have all been around for quite some time. If you're comparing something on price alone, it's hard to compete with free no matter how low your price is. So, there are two obvious questions to me at least. The first question is, does the product make things easier enough to cover its price? I think that for the current Flex adopters, the answer is yes. The second question is, at what price point does Macromedia do best? I can't answer that for them, but I can only assume that they've arrived at their own conclusions. I agree that Macromedia has a price point that works for them. It doesn't always work for others-- that's why they seek alternatives. Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:194502 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Loosing CFHTTP.FileContent -- The Fix
Thinking out loud... couldn't you use a cflock construct to serialize these Dick On Feb 12, 2005, at 1:43 PM, Nick Baker wrote: The fix was to avoid using CFHTTP.FileContent. Allow CFHTTP to store the results to a file by providing filepath and file name attributes. Then read the file. After much testing the problem was isolated to the fact that having multiple levels of CFHTTP calls in the same process series on the same server will not work. They step on each other. CFHTTP.FileContent sort of acts like a server variable? I hope there are more gracefully work arounds for this problem? At 11:51 AM 2/11/2005, you wrote: I inherited a program that is event driven, i.e., from the Scheduler The templates were working with both the templates and scheduler located at Server A Were still working after moving the code to Server B, but calling templates with the scheduler at Server A. Problem occurred when I configured Server B to handle the scheduling. In addition, if I execute the same template by calling the URL from a browser it works fine. Are you calling the URL from a browser on the same server that has the scheduled task? I am wondering if the scheduler might not be driving the event in the same manner as a CFHTTP and that is conflicting with my CFHTTP? No, the CF task scheduler does the same thing as a CFHTTP request would do. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:194440 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
New CPU in your future?
Give this a look! Dick http://channels.netscape.com/ns/pf/news_story.jsp? id=2005020908040001479337dt=20050209080400w=APOcoview=TickerSymbols= AAPL Apple's market share does provide us with an accurate reading of the percentage of reasonable people in our society. -Roger Ebert ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193850 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: New CPU in your future?
On Feb 9, 2005, at 8:56 AM, Damien McKenna wrote: The proof of the pudding will be in the eating. Until then, I'll be happy with my new Athlon 64, or at least I will be when the replacement motherboard arrives after the first one was (partially) broken. Of course! But knowing IBM (worked for them for 16 years, then later was a dealer their PCs) they do not go public (be careful) unless they already have the goods. An interesting aside. Steve Jobs mentioned, at the recent Apple dog and pony show, many many times that 2005 was the year of HD as in HDTV. but he never really explained what he meant, Then he had the President of Sony as the only non-Apple guest, on the stage during Steve's Keynote. Obviously, he was for some reason! But the only thing they could come up with is that Sony was going to announce a $3,995 HD video came later this year Steve said you could plug it in to the new iMovie HD... wow, that was certainly worth the price of a plane ticket to SF (from LA), C'mon! Crringley pointed this out at: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20050120.html I went back viewed the QT of the Keynote Chringely might just be on to something. Also, consider these facts: 1) IBM just sold its Intel-based PC business -- It is Intel-free 2) IBM uses its PPC Power series chips in its Unix and Linux server offerings. 3) A flavor of that chip is the G5 used by Apple in it's servers and latest desktops. 4) The new Cell chip uses the PPC CPU to control the 8 other CPUs on the chip. I don't know if it means anything, but: Sony and IBM are working together on projects based in IBM's new Chip. Apple and Sony are working together on something? Apple and IBM are working together on chips based on the PPC architecture Strong rumors indicate that Apples next round of high-end hardware (laptops included) will use IBM's Newer PPC-based offerings. I just wonder-- You have the presidents of 3 companies which are working together on different (but related) projects. Do the 3 of them ever get together in the same room and ask each other: Whatcha' been workin' on?. All speculation, I know -- but might be worth buying or shorting some stocks. Some parting shots: Sony owns (or used to) the Consumer Electronics business-- Attend a ComDex some time to grasp what this means: 4-story booths in the Las Vegas convention center (and that was 15 years ago). Apple has been stealing some (al lot of the music player segment) of this business with the iPods. Then there is this Mac mini...??? Now, IBM has never showed any interest the commodity business (one on the reasons given for selling the PC division), But IBM should be very happy to supply chips technology to the CE business and computer manufacturers (Apple and others)... especially if this is just additional sales of the same technology it developed for its own products. IBM has always had the philosophy: If we are going to have competition, it might as well be us! That's the way IBM thinks! Now, where did I put the number of my broker... Dick ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193900 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)
On Feb 7, 2005, at 11:02 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:46:33 -0400, Ryan Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do I understand correctly that one can use the free developer version of CFMX 7, build Coldfusion apps, and then deploy them to a server which has Tomcat running and they will work? All without shelling out for CFMX software for the server? When you package up an application with the CF runtime, you can enter a serial number. If you do not enter a serial number, the resulting WAR file will be a developer edition. Sean Are you sure about this? I have been told, maybe lead to believe is more like it, that you can't redistro CFMX without a license agreement (fee implied). If what you say is true, than one can package redistro a single-user-plus 2, full-feature, Enterprise, CF Runtime (j2ee version). That is exactly what we do with CFEverywhere apps-- redistro a CF runtime (BDJ2ee in our case) with Jetty and Derby. CFMX7 runs fine in this environment, with the exception that it won't run from CD (CFMX7 does a write of the license.properties file at startup). Also, your earlier posts indicate that the deployment can include CFML source and/or the user can add CFML source of his own. I'd like clarification on these 2 points (redisrto andsource), as it could give developers another option when creating CFEverywhere apps, Anyone? TIA Dick ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193554 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown
On Feb 8, 2005, at 12:21 AM, dave wrote: and just to be clear, i'd say a most php users arent building enterprise apps and use shared hosting, so its just as feasable to use coldfusion, they just dont know its just as free in that case. and its amazing to see them all trying to hack amfphp and such to work with remoting when they could just use cfm more easily and too be clear, they are using shared hosting, so cost isnt a concern. Whoa! 1) Most of them use shared hosting! 2) If they are using shared hosting, the free advantage of LAMP goes away (except to the provider)! 3) And there is prolly little, or no, extra cost to to host a site using CF! 4) The Customer gets all the RADD and maintenance benefits and $ savings of CF. 5) The developer doesn't realize that CF developer editions are free. Point made, End of discussion! I knew all these points except 5, but never put them together! I have recently participated in a Programming Languages discussion on the Apple OS X web forums. Everyone else was pushing PHP, Java or JSP. I proposed CFML as an alternative. Several people agreed with me, but the majority tried to shout us down. The reasons usually included: functional capability, performance and cost. I would counter that the cost of CF is negligible compared to the other costs, and leave it at that. But to the indie developer cost is everything-- and if he thinks he has to pony up $1,000 to $5,000 just to develop in CFML, the answer is CF is too expensive, end of discussion. I need to listen better. Thanks, Dave-- I think that I am going to win a few more PLPCs (Programming Language Pissing Contests). And to the CF community in general: we need to get the message out that: It cost the same (prolly a lot less) to develop in CF. Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193555 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown
I am reposting this to change the subject line. On Feb 8, 2005, at 12:21 AM, dave wrote: and just to be clear, i'd say a most php users arent building enterprise apps and use shared hosting, so its just as feasable to use coldfusion, they just dont know its just as free in that case. and its amazing to see them all trying to hack amfphp and such to work with remoting when they could just use cfm more easily and too be clear, they are using shared hosting, so cost isnt a concern. Whoa! 1) Most of them use shared hosting! 2) If they are using shared hosting, the free advantage of LAMP goes away (except to the provider)! 3) And there is prolly little, or no, extra cost to to host a site using CF! 4) The Customer gets all the RADD and maintenance benefits and $ savings of CF. 5) The developer doesn't realize that CF developer editions are free. Point made, End of discussion! I knew all these points except 5, but never put them together! I have recently participated in a Programming Languages discussion on the Apple OS X web forums. Everyone else was pushing PHP, Java or JSP. I proposed CFML as an alternative. Several people agreed with me, but the majority tried to shout us down. The reasons usually included: functional capability, performance and cost. I would counter that the cost of CF is negligible compared to the other costs, and leave it at that. But to the indie developer cost is everything-- and if he thinks he has to pony up $1,000 to $5,000 just to develop in CFML, the answer is CF is too expensive, end of discussion. I need to listen better. Thanks, Dave-- I think that I am going to win a few more PLPCs (Programming Language Pissing Contests). And to the CF community in general: we need to get the message out that: It cost the same (prolly a lot less) to develop in CF. Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193556 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown
On Feb 8, 2005, at 2:25 AM, Will Tomlinson wrote: Exactly! And I'll be giving another lecture on shopping carts and how they work. What will I use for my examples? CF! Every damn time cause there ain't nuthin easier to illustrate how a website works, simply and efficiently! Could you imagine running these students through php, or .net code for your examples? LOL Their brains would fry! Oh... You mean there is an advantage to doing a preso or writing a program where others can read and understand the code without a lot of comments or explanation? Seriously, CF for presos is another great argument! Over the years (lotsa' years) I have written many papers/proposals/articles/documentation where I need to supply an example code snippet. Never thought much about it, but it is a lot easier to illustrate and discuss the code when it is written in CF! (Now, APL... There was a real-man's programming language. You could write an entire application in one long (very long) line of code. (At least that was the implied Challenge). Only problem is that it used RPN, so you had to think backwards or inside-out. And, by the time you got to the end of the line you forgot what you were doing :) Another CF strong point is this: It is very easy to slap together a prototype or a demo with CF.. Including creating/populating a database from a text file, an excel ss, or the customer's MS-Access db. I've done this many times-- takes a few hours or days, but you show the customer his app using his data -- it is meaningful to him, When you win the contract, you can often go back and flesh-out the prototype to implement the production solution. Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193571 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Can you redistro developer version was: Re: Sourceless deployment...
New thread, very specific questions: 1) Can I redistro the CFMX 7 J2ee Developer Version ( the localhost plus 2 IPs version ) as part of a package? 2) Can I redistro the CFMX 7 J2ee Trial Version ( the 30-day version that reverts to 1 ) as part of a package? 3) can the redistee buy and enter a valid license into either 1 or 2 and have a full j2ee entrenprise version ? 4) are there any licensing fees or redistro restrictions on 1 or 2. 5) can/will Macromedia fix 1 2 so the do not do a disk write (license.properties) at startup so that they can run from CD/DVD? TIA Dick ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193674 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Ben, I need new CF books!
I second the O'Reilly Safari (Bookshelf) great service! Dick On Feb 8, 2005, at 9:46 AM, Joe Rinehart wrote: Maybe a partnership between MM Press and O'Reilly bookshelf? Or rolling their own? -Joe On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:22:12 -0600, Dawson, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree! A spiral bound book like one of Ben's is doubtless impossible, but I would be up for a PDF version that I could duplex out and put into a couple of big binders. Rick, my 2nd Edition WACK has 35 chapters and a couple of appendices... At $5 per chapter thats... 8-O Anyway an online version reasonably priced *would* be a nice option. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193679 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Ben, I need new CF books!
On Feb 8, 2005, at 10:07 AM, Matthew Small wrote: Now if there is a DRM-encrypted electronic book, that may do the trick, but you still would run the risk of some joker hacking the material and distributing it. - Matt Small O. an audio book on the iTunes Music store... for purchase download to your iPod... a version with pictures for the iPod photo... code snippets on the iPod shuffle! Read to me Ben! Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193684 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Can you redistro developer version was: Re: Sourceless deployment...
On Feb 8, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote: Dick Applebaum wrote: New thread, very specific questions: If you start a new thread, please start a new thread and don't respond to an old one. When you respond to an old one your email client will send a References header which tells that it is not a new thread. Sorry, didn't know that... was just trying to be courteous... I don't like to hijack threads. 1) Can I redistro the CFMX 7 J2ee Developer Version ( the localhost plus 2 IPs version ) as part of a package? 2) Can I redistro the CFMX 7 J2ee Trial Version ( the 30-day version that reverts to 1 ) as part of a package? Both are answered in the license agreement. (You did read it, right?) No, I haven't (I must be the only one) I generally accept license agreements, because only lawyers can understand them (though they will disagree on the meaning). I do not use or redistro others code/proucts /property rights without their permission. The thread I referenced gave somewhat conflicting answers. I asked this question during several betas and got different answers. I don't know who to ask at MM, but this is a public (oh, got it right) forum monitored by Many MM people... seemed the fastest/easiest path. The 2 questions are part of a series of 5 interrelated questions. There seems to be general confusion on the issue.. specific answers appear to be warranted. Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193688 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Ben, I need new CF books!
On Feb 8, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Jeff Small wrote: O. an audio book on the iTunes Music store... for purchase download to your iPod... a version with pictures for the iPod photo... code snippets on the iPod shuffle! Read to me Ben! Dick Exactly...only if Ben (or maybe I'd make an exception if Tim Buntel or Simon took turns) read it to us Or wait, do you think we could get Al Franken to read it? Not enough swear words lets see... Orson Welles and Jean Shepard have passed... what about Garrison Keillor... I can't resist... A Prairie Home ColdFusion. Bee Bop a Ree Bop a Rhubarb Pie... I've had too much stimulation the past few days Dick Your typical corporate CIO must be wondering, Why aren't there some nice new exciting applications for me? Nothing has really changed in his world, while on the consumer side there's all this cool new stuff like iTunes and the iPod and iPhoto and iMovie. That's where the real innovation is now, and Apple is driving it. Bill Joy, co-founder and former chief scientist at Sun Microsystems ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193694 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Can you redistro developer version was: Re: Sourceless deployment...
The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline luggage. - Mark Russell - On Feb 8, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote: Dick Applebaum wrote: On Feb 8, 2005, at 10:13 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote: Dick Applebaum wrote: 1) Can I redistro the CFMX 7 J2ee Developer Version ( the localhost plus 2 IPs version ) as part of a package? 2) Can I redistro the CFMX 7 J2ee Trial Version ( the 30-day version that reverts to 1 ) as part of a package? Both are answered in the license agreement. (You did read it, right?) No, I haven't (I must be the only one) I generally accept license agreements, because only lawyers can understand them Nonsense. The 2 questions are part of a series of 5 interrelated questions. The answer to the first 2 questions makes the rest of the questions irrelevant anyway. Jochem You may be correct on both issues, but that doesn't excuse your being rude! Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193696 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Can you redistro developer version was: Re: Sourceless deployment...
The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline luggage. - Mark Russell - On Feb 8, 2005, at 11:05 AM, Jochem van Dieten wrote: Ben Rogers wrote: Both are answered in the license agreement. (You did read it, right?) Where would one find this agreement? http://www.google.com/search? q=site%3Amacromedia.com+distribution+license+coldfusion Jochem Thanks, Jochem Read it. As I understand, it you may *not* redistro he MM software in any form under this agreement! Given that I would pose the same questions again, in a slightly different way: 1)Does Macromedia have a licensing agreement that allows me to redistro the CFMX 7 J2ee Developer Version ( the localhost plus 2 IPs version ) as part of a package? 2) Does Macromedia have a licensing agreement that allows me to the CFMX 7 J2ee Trial Version ( the 30-day version that reverts to 1 ) as part of a package? 3) can the redistee buy and enter a valid license into either 1 or 2 and have a full j2ee entrenprise version ? 4) are there any licensing fees or redistro restrictions on 1 or 2. 5) can/will Macromedia fix 1 2 so they do not do a disk write (license.properties) at startup so that they can run from CD/DVD? And, I am posting theme here because: 1) there seems to be interest from others 2) I am hoping this interest will cause MM to consider resistro licenses at low fees Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193704 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Can you redistro developer version was: Re: Sourceless deployment...
Thanks Dave, that really helps. As I understand it the j2ee edition is the enterprise edition But I don't want to pay for and deploy the full J2ee enterprise edition... I don't have a production web server, or a real web site. But I do want to develop and distro apps as you describe: trial acpability, decaying into developer capability. The intent is that the customer will be able to try my app before he buys it (without all the hassle of installing the component parts),' Then when he buys my app he: 1) deploys it on his existing CF Server 2) Has his host service install it on hei server instance of their existing CF Server 3) Buys a new license key and activates the CF server in my package and/or installs his own server. This is not the only variation on the theme, but it is a good place to start. I want to drive my own and MM's (in this case) business by letting the potential customer try before you buy with the most positive experience I can create (no installs, service packs, configs, deployments, etc). If i do this properly the customer will buy my app and, at the very least, he uses some of his existing CF capacity (makes him more likely to by add'l CF licenses, sooner); or better; he buys a CF license so he can run my app; or better, yet, hey buys the license and brags/tells all his peers about it (and my app) Dick Everyone in every corner of the software business could learn a lot from iLife, Bill Joy, co-founder and former chief scientist at Sun Microsystems On Feb 8, 2005, at 11:54 AM, Dave Carabetta wrote: On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:32:10 -0800, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I understand, it you may *not* redistro he MM software in any form under this agreement! Given that I would pose the same questions again, in a slightly different way: 1)Does Macromedia have a licensing agreement that allows me to redistro the CFMX 7 J2ee Developer Version ( the localhost plus 2 IPs version ) as part of a package? 2) Does Macromedia have a licensing agreement that allows me to the CFMX 7 J2ee Trial Version ( the 30-day version that reverts to 1 ) as part of a package? 3) can the redistee buy and enter a valid license into either 1 or 2 and have a full j2ee entrenprise version ? 4) are there any licensing fees or redistro restrictions on 1 or 2. 5) can/will Macromedia fix 1 2 so they do not do a disk write (license.properties) at startup so that they can run from CD/DVD? I can't answer all these questions, but on 2 and 3, you have this in the Enterprise version in MX 7 already. Scenario: I'm PaperThin and have a client who does not own ColdFusion, but is interested in a trial of CommonSpot as their CMS solution. Instead of telling them first download a trial of ColdFusion server and then you can install our trial, PaperThin can now use the EAR/WAR package manager in the MX Administrator (found in all MX7 versions, by the way) and create a EAR/WAR that has the CF runtime bundled with the CommonSpot application. By not entering a serial number at package creation time, you've just implicitly created a 30-day trial of the bundled CF/CommonSpot environment in one step, as that's the default way that the package manager works. After the 30-day trial, the combined setup reverts to the Developer edition of ColdFusion. Now let's say that the client has decided that CommonSpot is their choice. All they have to do is secure a Enterprise ColdFusion license for the appropriate number of servers/CPUs from a reseller or Macromedia sales person to convert the deployed application into a full Enterprise version. They would then either open up the MX Administrator (if PaperThin bundled it with the distro) or go to a page in the application that PaperThin has created that can programmatically set the serial number (via the new Admin API CFCs). Once that's done, they've got a full Enterprise version of ColdFusion with CommonSpot without having to re-install anything. Note that the above *deployment* scenario assumes the Enterpise version of ColdFusion only, as this is the only version of ColdFusion MX 7 that supports EAR/WAR deployment. Disclaimer: I don't work for PaperThin, nor have I used their product. I was simply using CommonSpot as it was the first commercial CF application that came to mind. As for the other questions, I can't answer them and will leave them to Macromedians. Regards, Dave. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193720 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http
Re: Can you redistro developer version was: Re: Sourceless deployment...
On Feb 8, 2005, at 1:26 PM, Dave Carabetta wrote: But 1 and 2 sound like CF is already installed in some capacity, so it seems like sourceless deployment and a zip utility might be a good option in those scenarios (via the cfcompile utility)? And 3 sounds like what EAR/WAR deployment was designed for as far as a web environment is concerned (though I think you're probably talking about non-web setups?). Yes it is! But I want to redistro CF as part of a CFEverywhere package containing everything (J2ee server, web server, CF J2ee, db server, populated db, CF apps). All of this is pre-installed, so all the potential customer needs to do is download (and decompress), then double-click an icon on the desktop. This starts everything including launching a browser pointing to the (just installed) web site. The download/decompress/instaqll takes, typically, 2-3 minutes. the launch takes, say, 30 seconds-- and the customer is into the app (web site) Given the above scenario the deployment is done on the system where you create the package (my development system). Then we zip the whole package for download. Dick Seek simplicity, and distrust it. - Alfred North Whitehead - ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193755 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)
On Feb 8, 2005, at 3:10 PM, Mike Kear wrote: As the person who kicked this thread off in the first place, I have to say I'm still confused. My original question was about whether we'd be able to produce standalone working apps, and I think several answers attempted to answer it, but I dont think I fully grasped the implications. Here's two scenarios - can we use this new CF7 to meet these needs ... [Scenario A] A trade show. We want to hand out samples of our work to visitors to the booth.Just give them CDs of some sample sites, showing the benefits of what we can do - dynamic sites, shopping carts, whatever. They'll need to put a CD into their PC and see the sample sites work. I kind of get the idea that wont work unless they already have J2EE installed on their PC? Yes? 1)With BD you can distribute everything on a CD -- the only thing that needs to be on the user's PC is a OS (OS X, Win Linux/Unix) and a JVM (pre-installed on everything but win). It will run from CD and NewAtlanta has a flexible licensing/redistro policy that makes this practical. 2)You cannot do this with CFMX7 because it will not startup from a read-only medium-- it tries to write the license.properties file at startup. 3)If MM fix this, then it will be technically possible, but may or may not be legally possible and/or economically practical because of MM's licensing/redistro policy-- that's what I am trying to get answers to [ Scenario B] We develop a small app. We sell the app, and send them a CD, which they would put into their PC and run the app from the CD. Examples of this could be a single-person training application or a perhaps something like the file libraries that appear on the front of magazines (but we wouldn't be putting it on magazines). That wouldn't work either because the users would all have to have J2EE running? Same answers as the prior answers. Have I got this right? You can do it today, with BDJ2ee You cannot do it today with CFMX7J2ee. And if J2EE is a requirement, would it be possible to put that stuff on the CD too, and have it self-install somehow or perhaps run from the CD? That's (one of the) promise(s) of CFEverywhere http://www.philcruz.com/cfeverywhere/ BTW, CFeverywhere is a packaging concept... there is no charge for the ideas (or any of the components, except the CF engine). I have to attend (participate) in a breezo on CFEverywhere in a few minutes (sorry limited attendance). Phil Cruz will present the breezo, so both he and I will be unavailable for a while. But we will try to answer any posts, later, The above URL contains a link to the CFDJ article and A CFeverywhere forum. Dick There are only two ways of telling the complete truth--anonymously and posthumously. - Thomas Sowell - ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193761 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)
All the Woulda-Coulda-Shouldas Layin' in the sun, Talkin' 'bout the things They woulda coulda shoulda done... But those Woulda-Coulda-Shouldas All ran away and hid From one little Did. -Shel Silverstein- On Feb 8, 2005, at 3:19 PM, Adrocknaphobia wrote: It's important to remember that CF isn't the best platform to develop PC based applications. It's meant for server-based applications. That is true, but it may be good enough-- especially if you already have the app written as a multi-user web app. Actually, it performs quite well from a CD, the desktop or an iPod. There are non-CFML apps implemented this way: Radio Userland Desktop Google Dick All the Woulda-Coulda-Shouldas Layin' in the sun, Talkin' 'bout the things They woulda coulda shoulda done... But those Woulda-Coulda-Shouldas All ran away and hid From one little Did. -Shel Silverstein- ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193762 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown
On Feb 8, 2005, at 5:56 PM, James Holmes wrote: Amen. Been there, done that, never again. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 9 February 2005 1:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Development cost vs PHP, JSP. etc. was; Re: CFMX 7 feature breakdown ... I think that I am going to win a few more PLPCs (Programming Language Pissing Contests). The only way to win is not to play. Or the game of love: The only game where if you don't play... you lose! - Claire Odoms to Ally McBeal ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193775 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: performance numbers for mx7 vs 6 vs 5?
On Feb 8, 2005, at 5:45 PM, dan martin wrote: Definitely faster than 5 and can handle more. I've been on 7 since sept. and I've noticed a definite performance increase. Looking at my server numbers, I'm seeing a small performance hit but that's probably due to the 50+ concurrent connections at the moment. Even with that, I'm seeing a 140ms-250ms processing time on the front of HoF. I can live with that. Are you saying you are getting 140-250msec before page processing even begins? If so, that is quite a hit. I dont mean to be negative, but this site is not as peppy as other (non-cf) forums, and that's okay for a forum, and if the tradeoff is it can handle more traffic. The macromedia site is dog slow for a corporate site. I wouldnt want that kind of performance. My impression thru the beta,,, the initial version was i little slower less resopinsive) than 6.1 butt each succeeding release was faster/ and RC1 was quite a bit better than 6.1 Don't judge CF by the web site... IMO it is bloated with Flash, to the point where it is agonizingly slow... especially form a Mac which appears to have an exceptionally slow Flash plugin. Based on past experience, whenever I visit the MM website for any length of time I kill most other apps especially other browser windows. When I visit non-flash CF sites (including my own) there is no noticeable slowdown or performance hit. I very seldom refer people to the MM site except as an example of how poorly Flash performs. I have nothing against Flash except the performance price is too steep. I like the functionality have tried to use it on multiple occasions... but dog slow fits. Don't usually bad-mouth in public, but have tried without succes to resolve this directly with MM. I hope this reality helps. Dick ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193779 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: New CFDUMP for CFMX
Hey Tony... you win FN FB? I picked the Steelers, so I would have been long gone! Dick On Feb 8, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Tony Weeg wrote: i realize it has no warranties, etc... but my dump file is all crazy code crap. and when i run this, thats all i get... that back? any ideas take it easy barney. tony ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193784 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: New CFDUMP for CFMX
C;mon.. I'm in enough trouble. F___Nerd Football! Dick On Feb 8, 2005, at 8:33 PM, Tony Weeg wrote: FN FB? tw ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193788 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX 7 is released
The MM team is to be congratulated for being totally responsive to the input of the beta testors (or is that testees) for making the Report Builder available in all editions. The features of most interest to me are: 1) read only (CD) deployment 2) flexible licensing/pricing/redistro 3) sourceless, encrypted deployment 4) event gateways 5) report generation -- Didn't get read-only deployment -- Didn't get flexible licensing/pricing/redistro - but these are policy issues and easy to add later -- got sourceless, encrypted deployment -- got event gateways -- got report generation The product editions wouldn't mean so much, as that would be trumped by flexible licensing/pricing/redistro, if it were offered. The Report Generation is win-only, which kind of works against the run anywhere / cross-platform concepts of Java implementation deployment. Bummer! There is still no production support for OS X deployment. As Ben, and others, have pointed out (sometimes rather testily), Macromedia has just not seen enough demand to justify creating the infrastructure to support OS X-- I certainly tell everyone I know to ask for it :) To be honest, though, most people running OS X servers (and there are quite a few) seem to be using BlueDragon. While I really would like to see OS X support, it is becoming less of an issue for me, personally: -- If I run a server myself, it will be on OS X, and I will support it myself. -- If I develop CFEveywhere apps, they will run on all platforms and I will support them myself. -- I would like to be able to develop CFEverywhere apps that are CD-based and/or include event gateways and report generation, but have to bypass these features, for the present (or approximate them, myself). All negatives aside, this is a good release and moves CFML forward as a means to deliver solutions-- some, potentially, very exciting solutions. Congrats to the CFMX7 development team! Dick On Feb 7, 2005, at 3:27 AM, Ben Forta wrote: Jeff, cfdocument and Report Builder functionality is identical in all versions. The difference between these features in Standard versus Enterprise is in the number of threads allocated to generating the printable output. CF Standard is best suited for up to 5 concurrent requests (that is cfdocument and reporting requests, not all requests) whereas CF Enterprise is designed to be able to handle a far greater load. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Jeff Chastain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 10:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX 7 is released Okay, I am looking at the product editions comparison. I knew event gateways were going to be enterprise, but what is with the document and report generation? There is next to no detail here, but is all report generation limited to the enterprise edition or can some still be done using the standard edition? -- Jeff ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193311 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX 7 is released
On Feb 7, 2005, at 6:30 AM, Rick Root wrote: Dick Applebaum wrote: The Report Generation is win-only, which kind of works against the run anywhere / cross-platform concepts of Java implementation deployment. Bummer! Is report generation windows only? I'm pretty sure not. The report BUILDER is Windows only. - Rick You are correct, the Report Builder is what I meant (I didn't say pubic, tho). Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193360 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX 7 is released
On Feb 7, 2005, at 6:40 AM, Adam Haskell wrote: I beleive Rick is correct. The report builder is only for Windows. But the stuff it generates, unless it has changed since I looked, is not encoded and can be edited...in otherwords someone could build thier own report builder for other platforms...or maybe even a CFAnywhere app (cough cough hint hint). The report generation makes use of the Jasper Project which is Java based if I recall correctly so it should run on all CF supported platforms. Corrections to my comments are welcome :) Mmm... Since it is win-only i never found the time to look into it. I did dload Jasper, but like Lucene before it, I never found the time to persue it. With the Jasper ancestry, might be possible to offer the equivalent of the Report Builder to other platforms. Good points! Dick Adam H On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 09:30:34 -0500, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dick Applebaum wrote: The Report Generation is win-only, which kind of works against the run anywhere / cross-platform concepts of Java implementation deployment. Bummer! Is report generation windows only? I'm pretty sure not. The report BUILDER is Windows only. - Rick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193366 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: I'm back! Which v7 to download?
On Feb 7, 2005, at 8:05 AM, Dave Watts wrote: Also, which version should Mac users download? J2EE? Yes, I think so. In that case, I think you'll need to first install JRun or another J2EE application server. Ryan, good to have you back! For development purposes you can install Jetty on either/any platform. JRun gives additional capabilities: cluster-failover, JMS, etc). So it depends... If you want some info on Jetty, visit the CFEverywhere page at: http://philcruz.com/cfeverywhere/ The CFDJ article 1 deploys BD under Jetty, but CFMX7 works just as well although the deploy is more involved (BDJ2ee id deployed with a copy/paste). Anyway, I find that Jetty provides a very nice developing/testing environment, separate web server multiple instances of BD CFMX7 (not CFMX6), database and maybe CFEclipse IDE in a portable, very small footprint that you can run from anywhere (even an iPod). Dick ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193384 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Spam: Re: CFMX 7 is released
On Feb 7, 2005, at 8:13 AM, Paul Hastings wrote: Dick Applebaum wrote: With the Jasper ancestry, might be possible to offer the equivalent of the Report Builder to other platforms. there's a commericial eclipse plugin to build jasper reports though i'm not sure if blackstone will handle it's report files. http://www.jasperassistant.com/ Thx Paul... I'll look into it. What I am looking for is something that a fairly sophisticated end-user could use-- the type of user who creates sophisticated Excel ss or MS-Access apps/reports. Not a programmer, just a capable user. Dick The best way to predict the future is to invent it. - Alan Kay - ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193387 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Sourceless deployment in BlueDragon (was: CFMX 7 is released)
On Feb 7, 2005, at 8:05 AM, Micha Schopman wrote: Why would it break on CFMX6.1 ? .. that is odd, since it is compiled to java bytecode. My guess would be different runtimes w/different interfaces with the generated bytecode. HTH Dick Apple's market share does provide us with an accurate reading of the percentage of reasonable people in our society. -Roger Ebert ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193388 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Spam: Re: CFMX 7 is released
On Feb 7, 2005, at 8:33 AM, Rick Root wrote: Dick Applebaum wrote: What I am looking for is something that a fairly sophisticated end-user could use-- the type of user who creates sophisticated Excel ss or MS-Access apps/reports. Not a programmer, just a capable user. Well, even CFMX Enterprise doesn't offer that... the report builder is really for programmers to design reports to be published by the server... You wouldn't give the report builder to end users, unless you also want to give them RDS access and teach them all about coldfusion expression syntax =) - Rick That's good to know! What if you want to create a site containing CF and a database, and some apps of course-- say an Inventory/Sales system. Then you want to let a small group of sophisticated users (like an AA to the VP of Marketing) create ad hoc and repeatable reports. You can assume that these people have come CF (and CS) knowledge/training-- but they don't program for a living. I've seen these types of systems done with MS-Access, FileMaker, and Excel (after the raw data is extracted from the db). It is amazing the amount of useful, digital, information that exists in an enterprise, with no ability to mine it! From the user's point of view, he wants/needs to get the info, on demand (and will work all night to get it), not submit a request to the IT dept. to get in a queue to have a program developed. From the developer's perspective, he can concentrate his talents on delivering critical longer-range strategic solutions, rather than be constantly interrupted for this or that special request. From Top Mgmt's perspective, everybody (including Top Mgmt) gets what they want. I didn't investigate BS Report Building because it is win-only and so, wouldn't deliver the capability FileMaker and Excel already deliver to the Mac or 'Nix desktop. You are telling me that BS Report Building doesn't even bring this capability to the win desktop. Hmmm! I can easily interface CF and FileMaker dbs on OS X (and maybe win linux) or CF MS-Access dbs on win, to provide the desired capabilities. I was hoping to reduce this down to a single CF Reporting/Charting/preso capability regardless of platform or db. Guess I need to look elsewhere... Sounds like a job for CFEverywhere Preso! Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193412 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX 7 Price
On Feb 7, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Simon Horwith wrote: you can't really just do simpe price conversions... it just doesn't work. A book that costs $50 in the US will most likely cost the equivellent of $80 in the UK and $20 in India. It's all about what that market will bear. That sucks... like the price of Prescription Drugs in the US. Dick Any sufficiently advanced bureaucracy is indistinguishable from molasses. - Unknown - ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193414 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: MX7 and MX6 side by side install
On Feb 7, 2005, at 9:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running MX6 for development, can I install MX 7 beside it for eval... If you use the J2ee products, yes you can. Just create a different server instance for each. Easy under JRun, Jetty (TomCat may have some problems, though). HTH Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193426 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX7 Preso at
On Feb 7, 2005, at 2:30 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 23:19:27 -0800, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... from the first screen shots it looks as if they are demoing on a Mac Sigh, the Mac is not supported for CFMX7 production! Perhaps you need to look a little closer Dick - it's not any sort of demo, just someone browsing macromedia.com's home page (using, yes, Mac IE). Or are you referring to something else in the TV program? Nah, just feeling mischievous... just a little tweak, so they don't forget us OS Xists. Dick You can't wait for inspiration. You have to go after it with a club. - Jack London - ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193497 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions
On Feb 6, 2005, at 2:56 AM, Cutter wrote: - Do you have mac, linux and pc browser test machines? Personally, no. I use Virtual PC for PC and Linux and trust to the graces of friends for Macs (since I can't see spending the money and dedicating the space for one personally). Ahh... this has changed recently. You can buy an Mac mini for as little as $500, including OS X, Safari, iLife (iTunes, iPhoto, IMovie, iDVD), Java, Pearl, PHP, Apache, etc, pre-installed it is 6.5 inch x 6.5 inch x 2 inches tall-- doesn't take up a lot of space Will fit below most Flat Panel displays.. It doesn't come with a KB mouse or display, but you can use the ones you already have with an inexpensive KVM switch: http://www.apple.com/macmini/ The base unit is only 256 Meg RAM, 40 Gig HDD, but comes with a CD/DVD combo drive. This would be totally adequate for testing web pages on the Mac, listening to music, watching movies, ripping music, capturing photos or movies, etc But if you want to create movies or do some more robust things, you might opt for 512 Meg or 1 Gig RAM, the 80 Gig HDD or SuperDrive. I have one, that I can alternately boot from external hard drives containing OS X or OS X Server, current release, or Beta of Next release. I bought mine loaded, wireless, bluetooth... I plan to use it as part of a home media wireless cluster (you can even set up a grid of these and other macs to automatically share resources). BTW, CFMX, BD, and Railo CF Engines, and CFEclipes all run just fine on this box, so it can be used as a semi-portable Developer box. So, with a little money and very little space, you can have a Mac mini share the desktop with your PC HTH Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193226 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Concatenation in MSSQL Server
Works for most english names, but how do you handle: mao-tse-tung J. R. R. Tolken George Herbert Walker Bush World Be Free Kiefer William Frederick Dempsey George Rufus Sutherland or, my favorite: Ralphie That is a legitimate name-- it was on his birth certificate and Driver's License :) HTH Dick There are only two things of importance. One is the customer, and the other is the product. If you take care of customers, they come back. If you take care of your product, it doesn't come back. It's just that simple. And it's just that difficult. -Stanley Marcus On Feb 6, 2005, at 8:26 AM, Brad Wilcox wrote: Hi, The best way I found to concatanate in MySQL is INSERT INTO tableOne (FullName, etc) SELECT CONCAT(customers.firstName, ' ', customers.lastName) AS fullname, etc. FROM tableTwo ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193230 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions
On Feb 6, 2005, at 10:50 AM, Jim Davis wrote: Not so much for me. That $500 dollar machine is really barebones: you need to add things (like a monitor, keyboard and such) and it still requires dedicated space (us apartment dwellers have space at a premium). That doesn't even consider software (even just the OS upgrades which are pretty common and pretty pricey). But of course you'd have to pay for that with an emulator anyway so it doesn't really count. It is a good deal, but when you can either a fully outfitted PC for the same price or an equivalent bare-bones PC for less than half it's still not very attractive (at least to me). Even then I'm still not sure if that entry-level machine has the oomph to run multiple instances of the OS (for complete testing I'd really like to run OS 9, OS X, OS X Panther, etc separately). But it still seems that for me to get a good Mac testbed set up at home it'll be at least $700-$1000 (depending on how much the OSes cost) even with the Mac-Mini. And, of course, I'd still have to find a place for it. ;^) PearPC (http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/) is promising for this, but is still really flakey. I'd really like to see something from IBM or Apple directly on this... Jim Davis Jim Here's what i do to mitigate the costs. Enroll as an Apple Developer - Cost $500/year for that $500 you get 1) Pre-releases of OS X, OX Server Java, etc. OS X sells for $129 and OS X Server sells for $499 2) Releases of these when they become available (yearly for the past few years) 3) Developer Discount on 1 system accessories (monitors, etc) bought at one time. about 20% off 4) Monthly releases of software tools, etc 5) attendance discounts at the annual developers conference. In 2004, they gave us an additional hardware discount. So, it is not to difficult to recover the $500 with OS costs discounts... plus you have early releases/feedback, etc. In order to run multiple OS versions on a Mac, you must either: 1) Partition your HDD 2) Boot from external HDD Technically you could boot from an iPod (just an external HDD), but this has been prevented by apple software -- there is a growing demand, so I would expect to see Apple uncripple this or someone to hack it. The mini will run any version of OS X, including Tiger. 512 Meg is a good size of RAM as to the size-- 6.5 inches square 2 inches tall-- it easily fits under a flat panel display. You can stand it on its side to take even less space, Or even put it on the floor (on a hard surface). As I posted earlier, an inexpensive KVM switch will allow you to share KB, Display Mouse. Last year I bought 2 loaded iMac G5s -- one for me and one for my daughter's family of 5 they each have their own login (quick switch between them) , music games, etc. (Bought a mini, too, but saving this years discount for a new G5 laptop), Anyway, the 2 hardware discounts more than paid for the developer subscription: http://developer.apple.com/ Finally, I am subscribed to the Apple Server forum-- it is about as active as CF-Talk. Since BD supports their products for production on OS X, there is also a lot of OS X Server CFML activity on the BD list. The net: OS X Server plays very nicely with Win 'Nix boxes thru ethernet or wireless! And maybe to seal the deal -- the mini comes with all the iLife programs that are: easy to use ( and easy to control from external CF programs) work flawlessly with most any Cameras, VideoCams, etc. So, not only could the mini be a Developer machine, it can be a home media center to capture and present all the precious family moments. It;s so easy, anyone can do it (you don't have to do it all yourself).. To peak your technical interest, OS X comes with most open-source programming/scripting languages (plus some) pre-installed -- it's all right there. And if you like, you can easily create a RAID with your HDDs (one guy created a RAID with 4 iPod shuffles and a USB HUB). Or, if you have multiple OS X machines (er, video centers) you can interconnect them (wired or wireless) into a Grid share computing resources, when available-- the software is free! IMO, the things I've mentioned, more than compensate for the things that don't come in the mimi package. It's pretty cool and could easily run some web sites. web server, db server, J2ee server, cfml server -- all on a single box. And, you can easily set it to autorun these things at startup, or to reboot autorun after a system or power failure (built right into the OS UI, has been for years). HTH Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message:
Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions
On Feb 6, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Dick Applebaum wrote: To peak your technical interest, OS X comes with most open-source programming/scripting languages (plus some) pre-installed -- it's all right there. I can't believe I typed peak instead of pique (earlier on the BD list I typed PUBIC instead of Public,,, several times) Oh, there, I did it again :) ... reminds of Bernard Schwartz on CNN reporting the story about the man who said the F word, then saying Oh, I apologize for saying F___... Jim We're out of synch on our posts (takes me a long time to type... badly) Didn't mean to rehash some things like the KVM,. When the Mac mini was rumored, then announced, I monitored a forum that discussed a lot of these issues from both an Apple and PC user perspective: Some of the things that were attractive to non-apple people were (in no particular order): 1) Full OS included, not home version 2) Freedom from viruses, the need to buy virus software and the time to cleanse the system 3) A CD rw DVD r drive included (DVD rw available) 4) small 5) really, really quiet 6) wireless 811.b/g connection to stereo internet other computers (extra) 7) BlueTooth wireless (extra) for kb, mouse, phones, etc. 8) the iLife suite of programs (included) Retail $79, but worth a lot more if you bought the equivalent on a PC (which users said didn't work very well or with many cameras, etc) 9) The fact they could recommend these to non-computer friends and parents not have to reinstall retrain them every couple of months because of viruses complexities, That last was on almost everyones list. Dick... er, Richard ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193245 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions
On Feb 6, 2005, at 2:10 PM, dave wrote: dick, how is it coming with the new lil mac mp3 player/drive and running cfm on? Dave If the new mac mp3 player you refer to is the iPod shuffle, then great! shuffle is a memory stick in 2 sizes: 1/2 Gig: $99 1Gig: $150 I am told that's very competitive and it is almost a magical experience as a music player (too long to describe here) As to CF... We call it CFEE -- CFEverywhere Extended it includes a complete CF runtime enviromnent and a Developer environment, con sisting of: 1) Jetty (Servlet container and web server 2) BDJ2ee CFML engine It will work with CFMX, except CFMX won't run from CD and is not redistributable (you'd have to dload and install it your self 3) Derby (or other) db server and databases 4) Your CFML apps, source and/or compiled encrypted 5) Eclipse CFEclipse Everything is preinstalled under a single double-clickable icon. It has a very small footprint (AIR 14 Meg without Ecloipse CF eclipse). And, yes it runs just fine from an iPod. Phil Cruz is considering upping the price of his CFCDoc desktop CFML application from $29 to $129 and throwing in the iPod (along with some free iTMS songs). I posted this somewhere today, someone has ened created a RAID storage cluster out of a USB adapter for shuffles: http://www.wrightthisway.com/Articles/000154.html ...stranger than me... Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193250 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions
On Feb 6, 2005, at 2:20 PM, Jim Davis wrote: I actually think that the Mini look very nice - but in my case it would be exclusively for testing Safari. I'm personally very happy with my Windows PCs so I just wouldn't be using it for much else. Prolly doesn't make much sense for you, then As for the capabilities I agree completely that if you don't have them then it's a great deal - but I already do. Wireless LAN, Bluetooth, DVD burning, Home Theater connectivity, etc - I've already got it all and am happy with it. Since all of the people I support (parents, grandparents, children, etc) are all Windows as well Yes, if you've don all the heavy lifting to create compatible systems, that do what you want need, it doesn't make sense to disrupt that with a foreign object-- that would just be extra work-- I'd come down with the same answer. - if somebody new to computing came along (and I didn't have to support them) I would definitely suggest it. My standing rule on this is always buy whatever the person you're going to be bugging for help has. Can't agree more. But from the perspective of giving support, I can claim I know nothing about PCs (Win, Linux, etc), though I do-- so sorry but I can't help you. Harder, though if you recommended the machine :) The unit is small - but a keyboard, mouse and screen do take up space (and precious, precious power outlets). If I had my own home (or didn't have two kids) I could easily find room - but with four people living in an apartment with only one closet space is at a premium. I have 3 grandkids 5,6 9. They currently all share the new iMac. I am considering building (I have a ShopSmith some woodworking tools) little shelves, boxes really, about 7 deep that screw on the wall hold the mini, 17 DVI TV, KB, power buss, some small speakers, better, headphones and some space for CD storage, Each kid's room would have an integrated DVD, player, TV, computer, Music, Internet access) all in one hopefully bullet-proof unit (physically electronically) Lastly it's also just that if I were to have an extra $500 to spend there are a lot of other things that would help more than having a Mac test bed. For me, personally, the cost just isn't worth the gain. Hear! Hear! That being said I'm DYING for a client to request Mac testing so that I can add a Mac Mini to the project cost. I really do think it's a slick little beastie... ;^) it is ! Dick P.S. it is Feb 6 and 60 degrees in the (SF) Bay area (doors and windows all open). I've been in (Bah-sten) Bay Area in Feb, slightly cooler! But we went to HAAVAAD and got a bugh-ugh at Big Elsie's :) Going to watch some football! Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193251 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions
On Feb 6, 2005, at 3:46 PM, dave wrote: you wanna be my grandpa? haha Ya! You're on timeout... go sit on the stairs. yeah its the ipod shuffle i was refering to and yeah thats a good price! i bought an irivers 128mb one for the xmas plane rides for $50 but normally they ar $99, so the apple ones are a bargain concidering the quality! the irivers is supposed to be real good but i listen to the gf's ipod and the ipod is better (a model thats a complete techie! SCOR!!) shes got all the cool stuff!! what your are doing intrigues me because i will be travelling and fishing this summer all over the place and would be great to take along for demos as i do flyshop sites. i'd pay the $129 for that package! since id be buying the thing anyway Dave Actually, as a developer, you don't need to pay anything everything except the CFML engine is free, open-source. The BDj2ee is free to developers, you just can't redistro it I currently run several versions of BD CFMX under CFEverywhere for compatibility testing. Everytime there is a new release, I just deploy it and update the Jetty CFML file to reflect it-- 10-15 minutes tops! It (the memory stick) becomes awfully hard to *not* justify. just deduct that from the $400 i wont be paying for shorthorn ;) Well, if you run on a Mac, you won't have to wait for longtooth -- The Tiger is coming in the next few months... and you know what a sleek, sinewy Tiger will do when he sees a cow walk by (if he doesn't die of hunger/boredom first... ... just outrun him :) Dick From: Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 6:00 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: [SOT] Supporting multiple browsers and versions On Feb 6, 2005, at 2:10 PM, dave wrote: dick, how is it coming with the new lil mac mp3 player/drive and running cfm on? Dave If the new mac mp3 player you refer to is the iPod shuffle, then great! shuffle is a memory stick in 2 sizes: 1/2 Gig: $99 1Gig: $150 I am told that's very competitive and it is almost a magical experience as a music player (too long to describe here) As to CF... We call it CFEE -- CFEverywhere Extended it includes a complete CF runtime enviromnent and a Developer environment, con sisting of: 1) Jetty (Servlet container and web server 2) BDJ2ee CFML engine It will work with CFMX, except CFMX won't run from CD and is not redistributable (you'd have to dload and install it your self 3) Derby (or other) db server and databases 4) Your CFML apps, source and/or compiled encrypted 5) Eclipse CFEclipse Everything is preinstalled under a single double-clickable icon. It has a very small footprint (AIR 14 Meg without Ecloipse CF eclipse). And, yes it runs just fine from an iPod. Phil Cruz is considering upping the price of his CFCDoc desktop CFML application from $29 to $129 and throwing in the iPod (along with some free iTMS songs). I posted this somewhere today, someone has ened created a RAID storage cluster out of a USB adapter for shuffles: http://www.wrightthisway.com/Articles/000154.html ...stranger than me... Dick ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193254 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFMX 7 is released
-Stanley Marcus On Feb 6, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Simon Horwith wrote: Go get it! http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/ Not much activity on the beta site -- I assume the NDA is ended??? TIA Dick There are only two things of importance. One is the customer, and the other is the product. If you take care of customers, they come back. If you take care of your product, it doesn't come back. It's just that simple. And it's just that difficult. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193279 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF demo apps on a CD?
Mike You can do that today withCFEverywhere, using BlueDragon J2ee It is technically possible with CFMX 7, except it does a file write during startup (validating the License). If Macromedia would/has resolved this then it will work. The second issue is licensing/pricing/redistro. AFAIK, Macromedia has no plans to offer this for CFMX7-- Several of us have lobbied pretty hard for it! New Atlanta has a flexible policy for BDj2ee-- Phil Cruz has one CFEverywhere product, CFCDoc, where he redistros BDj2ee in an app costing $29 (maybe $39) I don't know the details of Phil's arrangement, but New Atlanta people have expressed a willingness to do what it takes-- give them a call! Phil I have tried to gather everything CFEverywhere at a forum/blog/links at his site: http://philcruz.com/cfeverywhere/ the DJ article is linked there as well. while you are at the site, visit Phil's blog and help him win a Mac mini Dick There are only two things of importance. One is the customer, and the other is the product. If you take care of customers, they come back. If you take care of your product, it doesn't come back. It's just that simple. And it's just that difficult. -Stanley Marcus On Feb 6, 2005, at 9:14 PM, Mike Kear wrote: Thanks Sean. not good news for us though - it means the new version goes close, but not close enough to be able to just hand people CDs and have the apps work. Not in CF anyway. Guess we're going to have to go to some other technology after all. BUGGER! I was hoping not to have to have any other technology hanging around. Has anyone been able to solve this problem any other way without having to hire C++ developers or guys like that? We need to be able to say to users here's your CD, just put it in your PC and you'll be able to see it working What do the rest of you do for things like trade shows? Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 20:55:06 -0800, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:31:13 +1100, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an immediate need for being able to send CDs that will run on a PC without any additional server software. ... ... deployment on leading J2EE servers. That means you need a J2EE server installed on the PC in order to run the app. JRun, WebLogic, WebSphere etc. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme Got Gmail? -- I have 50, yes 50, invites to give away! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193280 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CFMX7 Preso at
Just got an email about CFMX7 announcement preso by Dave Gruber at: http://www.sys-con.tv/ Looks pretty interesting.. I think it will be worth watching... ... from the first screen shots it looks as if they are demoing on a Mac Sigh, the Mac is not supported for CFMX7 production! Have a look. I am going to bed taking my laptop so I can watch the preso Dick ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193281 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Smal, Portable CF Environment was:CFEE: Exponentially Expand your CF Productivity
Posts to this and prior threads discussed: 1) a small, portable CF IDE, CFEclipse for example 2) a small, portable CF runtime, CFEverywhere, for example It is worth noting that a CFEverywhere package currently uses BlueDragon because: 1) A reasonable cost redistro license can be negotiated with New Atlanta 2) BD will run in a read-only environment-- you can run from a CD or DVD So, if your goal is to redistro a CFEverywhere package, BD is the only available choice However, maybe you want a small, portable CF runtime environment that you can take with you to customers and just write code, test and demo apps (you don't need redistro or CD-based apps). Well, the CFeverywhere package (Jetty, Derby (or other Java RDBMS) can contain multiple CF engines (and multiple RDBMS for that matter). The CFEverywhere I usually use for development, testing and demos contains several CF server instances (Both BD CFMX). You can configure Jetty to handle thee concurrently (like JRun, only easier). So when you fire up your CFEverywhere, you can simultaneously test your apps on: 1) Back Releases of BD CFMX 2) Current Releases of BD CFMX 3) Alpha/Beta Releases of BD CFMX This prolly goes for the Railo CF engine as well (though, I haven't tried it) It is really great for validating your apps for compatibility (across CF Engines releases) and identifying bugs in beta releases) The point is, that you have a portable, very small footprint, platform-independent environment that contains everything that you need to develop/test/demo your apps on multiple versions of multiple CF engines. You can easily fit this on a small external HDD or memory stick. Take this portable environment with you and you can use it, well, everywhere (there is a computer that supports Win, OS X, 'Nix Java). Dick Apologies in advance, I am the world's worst photographer! Here's a little photo album showing CFEE (CFeclipse and CFEverywhere) running from an iPod shuffle. The screen shot shows: 1) UL: CFEclipse editing part of a CFEverywhere app that parses the iTunes Library and makes the tunes playable over the web. 2) UR: Running Phil Cruz's Tracking Tools CFEverywhere app -- showing the BD Admin 3) LL: The Directory structure of the data files (CFEE) on the iPod Shuffle The iPod's song library is not shown. 4) LR Whistle While You Work-- Using iTunes (on the laptop) to play music from the iPod while CFEE is doing its thing. I didn't take the time to skinny down any of the CFEE components on the iPod, so CFEE plus 2 CFEverywhere packaged apps take about 220 MB of the 500 MB I set aside for files on the ipod: 106.6 Ecliipse IDE with CFEclipse 56.5 CFEverywhere Development System 34.1 TrackingTools CFeverywhere Packaged app 22.9 CFCDoc CFeverywhere Packaged app I also reserved 500 meg for music on the iPod: There are 132 songs , 9.9 hours of listening, taking 491.5 MB. What may not be obvious, but needs to be said, is that the laptop does *NOT* need to contain any CFEE components -- only the OS, a JRE, and iTunes (but not the songs). http://homepage.mac.com/dicklacara/PhotoAlbum6.html .Mac services will be unavailable due to scheduled maintenance from Saturday, Jan. 22nd at 10 p.m. until Sunday, Jan. 23rd at 6 a.m. (PST). Again, apologies for the photography! Dick ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191491 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Smal, Portable CF Environment was:CFEE: Exponentially Expand your CF Productivity
On Jan 23, 2005, at 5:20 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:37:17 -0800, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 106.6 Ecliipse IDE with CFEclipse I think you can get a smaller CFE-focused install image from either Spike's site or Rob Rohan's site... Yeah, you are right! But, I am a crusty old retrobate -- I bought BBEdit 10 years ago, been thru about $500 of upgrades, so that's what I use. I do have eclipse CFEclipse installed -- and it is really nice (Huzzahs to Spike, Rob and K) and I would use it if I had to make a choice, but I am set in my ways..., I have tried DW, NetBeans, and whatever. But I use BBEdit a Mac if I can. If not, a small-footprint CFEclipse would be a good choice. Besides, Lucy's Steelers lost, and I just don't care anymore... 'til Monday Aside to Tony... the better team lost... sucks ...out here waiting for a CFML that I can program/run on my media center with a virtual remote control (finger waving, Point Poke) . I've got the CFML/media-center working-- having problems with the VRC PP. Dick ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191511 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CFEE: Exponentially Expand your CF Productivity
Apologies in advance, I am the world's worst photographer! Here's a little photo album showing CFEE (CFeclipse and CFEverywhere) running from an iPod shuffle. The screen shot shows: 1) UL: CFEclipse editing part of a CFEverywhere app that parses the iTunes Library and makes the tunes playable over the web. 2) UR: Running Phil Cruz's Tracking Tools CFEverywhere app -- showing the BD Admin 3) LL: The Directory structure of the data files (CFEE) on the iPod Shuffle The iPod's song library is not shown. 4) LR Whistle While You Work-- Using iTunes (on the laptop) to play music from the iPod while CFEE is doing its thing. I didn't take the time to skinny down any of the CFEE components on the iPod, so CFEE plus 2 CFEverywhere packaged apps take about 220 MB of the 500 MB I set aside for files on the ipod: 106.6 Ecliipse IDE with CFEclipse 56.5 CFEverywhere Development System 34.1 TrackingTools CFeverywhere Packaged app 22.9 CFCDoc CFeverywhere Packaged app I also reserved 500 meg for music on the iPod: There are 132 songs , 9.9 hours of listening, taking 491.5 MB. What may not be obvious, but needs to be said, is that the laptop does *NOT* need to contain any CFEE components -- only the OS, a JRE, and iTunes (but not the songs). http://homepage.mac.com/dicklacara/PhotoAlbum6.html .Mac services will be unavailable due to scheduled maintenance from Saturday, Jan. 22nd at 10 p.m. until Sunday, Jan. 23rd at 6 a.m. (PST). Again, apologies for the photography! Dick ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191449 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEE: Exponentially Expand your CF Productivity
Don't know anything about a Palm. But, if it has a file structure accessible to the OS, you can store the CFEE components on the Palm, Plug in to a computer with a JRE Run ON the computer, FROM the Palm- like the iPod, the Palm is just an external HDD. If the Palm has a JRE and OS that is capable of running Jetty, BD, a Java RDBMS like Derby, etc. then you likely can run directly on the Palm Dick On Jan 22, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Jared Rypka-Hauer - CMG, LLC wrote: Hey, that's cool. Now make it work with my Palm T3, please? ;) Laterz, J On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 13:33:37 -0800, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apologies in advance, I am the world's worst photographer! Here's a little photo album showing CFEE (CFeclipse and CFEverywhere) running from an iPod shuffle. The screen shot shows: 1) UL: CFEclipse editing part of a CFEverywhere app that parses the iTunes Library and makes the tunes playable over the web. 2) UR: Running Phil Cruz's Tracking Tools CFEverywhere app -- showing the BD Admin 3) LL: The Directory structure of the data files (CFEE) on the iPod Shuffle The iPod's song library is not shown. 4) LR Whistle While You Work-- Using iTunes (on the laptop) to play music from the iPod while CFEE is doing its thing. I didn't take the time to skinny down any of the CFEE components on the iPod, so CFEE plus 2 CFEverywhere packaged apps take about 220 MB of the 500 MB I set aside for files on the ipod: 106.6 Ecliipse IDE with CFEclipse 56.5 CFEverywhere Development System 34.1 TrackingTools CFeverywhere Packaged app 22.9 CFCDoc CFeverywhere Packaged app I also reserved 500 meg for music on the iPod: There are 132 songs , 9.9 hours of listening, taking 491.5 MB. What may not be obvious, but needs to be said, is that the laptop does *NOT* need to contain any CFEE components -- only the OS, a JRE, and iTunes (but not the songs). http://homepage.mac.com/dicklacara/PhotoAlbum6.html .Mac services will be unavailable due to scheduled maintenance from Saturday, Jan. 22nd at 10 p.m. until Sunday, Jan. 23rd at 6 a.m. (PST). Again, apologies for the photography! Dick -- Continuum Media Group LLC Burnsville, MN 55337 http://www.web-relevant.com http://cfobjective.blogspot.com ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191451 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Portable CFML Development Environment
On Jan 21, 2005, at 9:38 AM, Rob wrote: On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:35:20 -0600, Jared Rypka-Hauer - CMG, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a nifty idea... I have a 256MB SD card in my Palm, a 20GB iPod, and a 128MB Jump Drive... so I could have 3 development envrionments with me everywhere I go... BTW the ipod shuffle doubles as a usb memory stick and you can define how much space to use for data and how much to use for music. So you can code and listen to music at the same time - at least in theory :) Of course, you mean code, run/test, and listen! I have an iPod shuffle coming today (on the truck for delivery) so I'll let you know. Playing with a HDD-based iPod photo, you can't play tunes thru the iPod while the iPod is connected to a computer. However you can use use iTunes to play songs that reside on the iPod thru the computer. So you can run the following from the iPod: 1) An IDE 2) A CFE (CFEverywhere environment- Jetty/BD/Derby) 3) CFML apps I wrote a CFML app that plays music by mapping the iTunes Library XML file resident on the computer. This app could be modified to map the binary song library resident on the iPod itself So, yes, you could code/test/listen at the same time from an iPod-based portable CFML environment! Dick ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191389 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Portable CFML Development Environment
On Jan 21, 2005, at 11:45 AM, Rob wrote: On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 11:27:00 -0800, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you can run the following from the iPod: 1) An IDE 2) A CFE (CFEverywhere environment- Jetty/BD/Derby) 3) CFML apps Its too bad CFEverywhere and CFEclipse both use CFE for short hand - people are going to get confused :( Well, not too late to fix that! CFEverywhere is the new kid on the block so we should prolly change. What do you suggest? Or, maybe we should just combine the two... %^) Dick ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191391 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Portable CFML Development Environment
On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:47 PM, Rob wrote: On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 12:03:41 -0800, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, maybe we should just combine the two... %^) hehehe totally like CFE² or CFEE I kinda' like the sound of that as well as the connotation: Exponentially increase your CF productivity with CFEE (CFEclipse and CFEverywhere)! Then all we need is a GUI for Jasper Reports and an interface to Lucene and Spotlight. Dick Wish that damn UPS truck would get here from Vallejo ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191400 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CFEE: Portable CFML Development and Execttion Environment
A couple of threads have been discussing CFEclipse as a portable CF Development Environment and CFEverywhere as a small (maybe portable) Execution environment for CF apps. Since the environments have a lot in common, it might be worthwhile to combine them. The threads have discussed running *FROM* memory sticks, iPods, etc.. and running *ON* xboxes, pocket PCs, TiVos, etc. It is interesting to note that in today's world, a non-techie could: 1) buy a computer package at Target 2) plug it in and go though a 5 minute setup wizard (no install necessary) 3) connect to the web and download a completely operational CFeverywhere environment and application (in less than 5 minutes) 4) Double-click an icon on the desktop and be running a fully-functional, database-driven web site and/or desktop application What could be easier? With a little more work, you could add a development environment by installing CFEclipse. Here's the Target link: http://www.target.com/gp/search.html/ref=sr_bx_1/602-4354738-1400607? field-keywords=mac+mimiurl=index%3Dtargetx=18y=10 What's nice is the app could be one you or I write and could profitably sell for under $50 per (downloaded) copy. Any ideas for CFEE apps? Anyone? Dick Times, they are a' changin' ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191409 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEE: Portable CFML Development and Execttion Environment
On Jan 21, 2005, at 2:35 PM, Dave Watts wrote: Why would this non-techie want an IDE, anyway? I wasn't clear. I should have said something like: A CF Developer could install a CF Execution environment as above, than add CFEclipes as the IDE component. Dick ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191414 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
CFEE: Portable CFML Development and Execttion Environment
Just to give a progress report on CFEE. I got my iPod Shuffle (1 Gg): 1) Plugged it in to my computer's USB port 2) fired up iTunes set the ipod to reserve space for 120 songs 512 meg of files. 3) copied some songs to the iPod 4) started playing the songs on the iPod shuttle (shows as an iTunes playlist) 5) copied Phil Cruz's TrackingTools CFEverywhere package to the iPod 6) copied BBedit IDE to the iPod 7) Double-clicked the TT icon to launch TrackingTools 8) Double-Clicked the BBEdit icon to launch BBEdit Now, I'm a-emailin, a-codin', a-runnin' and a-listenin'... ... shuffle off to Buffalo Dick Ohhh, there's a Cass Elliot oldie... ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191417 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: SPAM-LOW: CFEE: Portable CFML Development and Execttion Environment
This will get you started: http://philcruz.com/blog/2005/01/cfeverywhere-part-1.htm HTH Dick On Jan 21, 2005, at 7:07 PM, dave wrote: do u have a link to the cfeverywhere? From: Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:57 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: SPAM-LOW: CFEE: Portable CFML Development and Execttion Environment Just to give a progress report on CFEE. I got my iPod Shuffle (1 Gg): 1) Plugged it in to my computer's USB port 2) fired up iTunes set the ipod to reserve space for 120 songs 512 meg of files. 3) copied some songs to the iPod 4) started playing the songs on the iPod shuttle (shows as an iTunes playlist) 5) copied Phil Cruz's TrackingTools CFEverywhere package to the iPod 6) copied BBedit IDE to the iPod 7) Double-clicked the TT icon to launch TrackingTools 8) Double-Clicked the BBEdit icon to launch BBEdit Now, I'm a-emailin, a-codin', a-runnin' and a-listenin'... ... shuffle off to Buffalo Dick Ohhh, there's a Cass Elliot oldie... ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191420 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: SPAM-LOW: CFEE: Portable CFML Development and Execttion Environment
We spread CFEverywhere over 3 Articles: 1) Background, Install Jetty, Deploy BD, non-db cfml app. 2) Install RDBMS cfml db app. 3) Make package double-clickable runnable from CD Dick On Jan 21, 2005, at 7:26 PM, dave wrote: thanks :) i havent read yet but will there be a package with it the db? From: Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:14 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: CFEE: Portable CFML Development and Execttion Environment This will get you started: http://philcruz.com/blog/2005/01/cfeverywhere-part-1.htm HTH Dick On Jan 21, 2005, at 7:07 PM, dave wrote: do u have a link to the cfeverywhere? From: Dick Applebaum Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: SPAM-LOW: CFEE: Portable CFML Development and Execttion Environment Just to give a progress report on CFEE. I got my iPod Shuffle (1 Gg): 1) Plugged it in to my computer's USB port 2) fired up iTunes set the ipod to reserve space for 120 songs 512 meg of files. 3) copied some songs to the iPod 4) started playing the songs on the iPod shuttle (shows as an iTunes playlist) 5) copied Phil Cruz's TrackingTools CFEverywhere package to the iPod 6) copied BBedit IDE to the iPod 7) Double-clicked the TT icon to launch TrackingTools 8) Double-Clicked the BBEdit icon to launch BBEdit Now, I'm a-emailin, a-codin', a-runnin' and a-listenin'... ... shuffle off to Buffalo Dick Ohhh, there's a Cass Elliot oldie... ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191423 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Heresy: No Experience Required (cross post)
Phil Cruz and I co-authored an article for the CFDJ the first installment appears in the January issue. Naturally, I am elated to to be published in the CFDJ, so I was reviewing the online magazine to see what other topics authors were present. Pretty good company-- lots of good articles authors. One especially, caught my eye: No Experience Required Don't be afraid to build your own Web-based data management tools by Joe Zanter http://sys-con.com/story/?storyid=47828 This is worth a read! It shows what CFML can do in the hands of an end user. Thoughts? Dick ~| Logware: a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:191151 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: cf on linux
On Jan 13, 2005, at 1:11 PM, Rob wrote: In Unix cASe doEs MaTteR, what is this? AnacondaCase? :) Dick ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190344 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: WOT: Someone who still believes
Rob Did you notice the part where he was using OS X Tiger Spotlight to instantly search both content metadata? For a web site, this could be a total replacement for Verity (or whatever). You could just place a Mac somewhere on the network move all your web content to it. When files are placed on this Mac they are automatically cataloged both content metadata. (includes text, .doc. mp3, jpg, pdf. xls, htm, cfm.) etc. You never need to create a collection (it's automatic), and it is always up to date. And, a metadata/content search server is always running Then, you can use this Mac as a search server from CF. You use cfexecute to issue a mdfind command-- something like: cfset searchTerm = 'Ray Charles' / cfexecute name=mdfind arguments=searchTerm variable=searchResults timeout=200 /cfexecute cfoutput pre #searchResults# /pre /cfoutput Returns all the paths to files referencing Ray Charles * * * /Volumes/My_iPod/iTunes/Ray Charles/VH1 8 Track Flashback - The On/In The Summertime.mp3 /Volumes/My_iPod/iTunes/Ray Charles Blues Brothers /Volumes/My_iPod/iTunes/Ray Charles Blues Brothers/Unknown Album/Shake Your Tail Feather.mp3 /Volumes/My_iPod/iTunes/Ray Charles Charles Aznavour /Volumes/My_iPod/iTunes/Ray Charles Charles Aznavour/Unknown Album/For Mamma.mp3 /Volumes/My_iPod/iTunes/Ray Charles Hank Williams Jr /Volumes/My_iPod/iTunes/Ray Charles Hank Williams Jr/Complete CW Recordings 59/09 Two Old Cats Like Us.mp3 /Volumes/My_iPod/iTunes/Ray Charles Van Morrison /Volumes/My_iPod/iTunes/Ray Charles Van Morrison/Unknown Album/Tura-Lura-Lural (That's An Irish Lullaby).mp3 * * * Then, if you want to see the metadata associated with an mp3 file we use (cfexecute) the mdls command: mdls '/Volumes/My_iPod/iTunes/Ray Charles Blues Brothers/Unknown Album/Shake Your Tail Feather.mp3' /Volumes/My_iPod/iTunes/Ray Charles Blues Brothers/Unknown Album/Shake Your Tail Feather.mp3 - kMDItemAttributeChangeDate = 2005-01-12 05:38:36 -0800 kMDItemAudioBitRate= 128 kMDItemAudioChannelCount = 2 kMDItemAudioSampleRate = 44100 kMDItemAuthors = (Ray Charles Blues Brothers) kMDItemContentType = public.mp3 kMDItemContentTypeTree = ( public.mp3, public.audio, public.audiovisual-content, public.data, public.item, public.content ) kMDItemDisplayName = Shake Your Tail Feather kMDItemDurationSeconds = 168 kMDItemFSContentChangeDate = 2004-12-20 16:48:47 -0800 kMDItemFSCreationDate = 2004-06-10 17:23:08 -0700 kMDItemFSCreatorCode = 0 kMDItemFSFinderFlags = 0 kMDItemFSInvisible = 0 kMDItemFSLabel = 0 kMDItemFSName = Shake Your Tail Feather.mp3 kMDItemFSNodeCount = 0 kMDItemFSOwnerGroupID = 99 kMDItemFSOwnerUserID = 501 kMDItemFSSize = 2697344 kMDItemFSTypeCode = 0 kMDItemID = 42327 kMDItemKind= MP3 Audio File kMDItemLastUsedDate= 2004-12-20 16:48:47 -0800 kMDItemTitle = Shake Your Tail Feather kMDItemTotalBitRate= 128 kMDItemUsedDates = (2004-12-20 16:48:47 -0800) The above will work if CF is running on the Mac -- a little more involved to setup the Mac as a separate server. Anyway, we gonna' mdfind Ray Charles wherever he is-- even in a file named MyCD1.mp3 (and even in this email or the .cfm above.) The search server and datastore is built into OS X and is based on SQLite rdbms. The indexing scheme uses normalized, generic fields to describe metadata elements so that the Author(s) of a word doc are equivalent to the Artist(s) on a song. You use a search notation similar to SQL Select syntax. When OS X Tiger ships (sometime before July 2005) I suspect that there will be custom tags to do the search (I'll write one if necessary). This is really cool fast! I bought a Sponge Mac Square Bob (Mac mini) that I plan to dedicate as a search server for just this purpose Dick P.S. 'lo to K On Jan 11, 2005, at 11:55 PM, Rob wrote: That was a great keynote thanks for posting it Dick - I've got my copy of iWork on the way :-D On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 19:43:40 -0800, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been around micro/desktop computers since 1978. Here is someone who still believes: http://stream.apple.akadns.net/ Dick -- ~Blog~ http://www.robrohan.com ~The cfml plug-in for eclipse~ http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~open source xslt IDE~ http://treebeard.sourceforge.net ~| Get help! RoboHelp http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=58 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190079 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations
Re: John Dowdell Wants to Know What's Wrong with Macromedia
On Jan 12, 2005, at 8:16 AM, Rob wrote: On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:58:46 -0700, Shawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My two cents worth. Better Linux support. It's nice that CFMX can run on Red Hat, but Red Hat is too bloated (IMO) for server use (not talking about the enterprise RH - which most of us don't use and I have no experience with). There are better distros for servers - Gentoo, BSD, etc. Getting CFMX running on them is NOT a simple task. Even just a document that lists what dependencies are required - just where does the installer expect to find the JRE, etc - so we can create the necessary symlinks, and/or install the needed packages. I agree and throw in the Mac too. I got BlueDragon to work with linux/apache on Debain by following their instructions on how to install on a non-red hat box - mostly just making some symlinks. MX could do the same. And the stand alone server install on Mac was an installer - double click server - nice You oughtta' see a BDJ2ee install/deploy on the Mac (or Win for that matter). Quite a complex process... we call it copy/paste... takes 15 seconds (or so) Dick Linux support across the board would be great. In the past year or so, I've switched exclusively to a Linux desktop (due to a number of issues with windows) - so much for getting Dreamweaver running. Unless I want to use Wine (which causes performance issues on my system), or a virtual environment like VMWare - which defeats the purpose. There is a demand for a *nix equivalent app like Dreamweaver - and it doesn't even need to be open source. If Macromedia doesn't supply it, an open source project will, and then Macromedia will loose the momentum on Linux. http://www.cfeclipse.org if you havent heard... -- ~Blog~ http://www.robrohan.com ~The cfml plug-in for eclipse~ http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~open source xslt IDE~ http://treebeard.sourceforge.net ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:190106 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
New CF Server hardware???
Apple announced a headless/keyboardless/mouseless computer (avail Jan 22) that can run OS X and could easily run a CFMX BD or Railo server for the SOHO or small business. there are several configurations available-- starting at $499. http://www.apple.com/ Follow the link for Mac mini Be sure to avoid getting sidetracked by the $99 iPod shuffle (about the size of a pack of gum) HTH Dick ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189961 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Numbers -- CF sites, CF Hosts, etc.
In a thread on programming languages on another list, statements are being made like: Coldfusion -- I didn't think anyone still used that! I can handle the technical comparisons but would like to get: 1) Gestimate of number of CF users 2) Gestimate of number of CF Hosting providers 3) Some high-profile CF sites. TIA Dick ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - RUWebby http://www.ruwebby.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:185931 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: A bit OT: MySQL resources?
Christian I use MySQL on OS X -- and it has good points and bad ones. -- fast -- Finicky to install and maintain -- unreasonable (IMO) redistro license -- some major function is missing There are several alternatives, PostgreSQL is a good one. Another one that I am starting to use a lot in Apache org's Derby nee IBM Cloudscape Derby is free, open-source, quite fast, capable, pure JAva, and liberally re-distributable. IBM just transferred Cloudscape to Apache -- where they are, just now, releasing the initial Derby release. http://incubator.apache.org/derby/ It works well with CFMX one thing I particularly like is that you can copy your CF templates, DB. etc to a CD and run read-only (with BD Jetty) -- so you can publish a self-running CD with your app ready to double-click run. Dick On Oct 30, 2004, at 1:45 AM, Christian Kavanagh wrote: Dear List, When I get rid of Microsoft Access it'll be the last piece of their software I use! Sweet huh. I understand that MySQL is the way to go. The trouble is, I don't really know a damn thing about it, and I'm kinda slow. I, uh, I'm not even sure if it's a bit of software or a coding language like CF, or what, and the websites I've been to haven't really helped much. (I would very much like to do the coding on my Mac, is this possible?) So can anyone point me toward a good resource or two for an utter amateur like myself? Muchos gracias amigos! CK. ~| This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=11 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183009 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
SOT: A neat Morph
Trying to be as apolitical as possible... you can consider this as: 1) two heros 2) two faces 3) whatever you desire but it is a really well done morph I hope it will bring a smile to your lips, http://67.124.145.42/plastic_surgery.mpg If you have QuickTime you can set it to loop back forth and full-screen display --- awesome! Dick ~| This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=11 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:182568 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF developer numbers
I started to post to this thread last night, but got interrupted, Lotta' good stuff here! One thing that I think would really contribute to the acceptance of CF is to make it pervasive and ubiquitous-- the same way MS does with IE and MM does with Flash. On OS X you get most of what you need to publish a web site pre-installed: 'Nix OS Apache web server PHP, Perl Python Java Missing is a database -- MySQL is easily available is pre-installed on the Server version of OS X, as is JBoss There are loads of on-line examples tutorials to get people started on (the wrong road, IMO) in writing PHP. What I would like to see is a free, fully-capable (any 5 concurrent IPs in session) Blackstone J2ee, come pre-installed on EVERY new computer. This would allow the beginner to get started down the correct path -- and eventually feed work to the professional CF developer. With publicly-discussed Blackstone features like Event gateway there are opportunities to use CFML to address a much broader range of applications -- from the simple, ad-hoc desktop app that a beginner whips out in an hour -- to sophisticated enterprise apps that require the capabilities of a J2ee environment -- and, incidentally, you can publish web sites too :) Dick On Oct 21, 2004, at 9:54 AM, Barney Boisvert wrote: I thought CF Express was great, personally. I used it numerous times, on everything from little one-off sites for clients who had a web server in their office, but needed zero-cost app servers, to kiosk-style apps on non-connected computers (just install CF right on the machine). At least two of those clients came back and had more real CF work done, and to support them we bought additional CF Pro licenses to run their apps. And the rest have continued down the CF path with us, though they can't be directly linked to more CF purchase. How about free CF for certain applications, like Flex is now doing? cheers, barneyb On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:15:21 -0400, Ben Forta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take CF Standard, trim it down some more (no CFX, only Access and MySQL, maybe even single-threaded) and give it away. FWIW, we did that back in the CF4 era, it was called ColdFusion Express, and it did not really make a whole lot of difference in the grand scheme of things. The free developer's edition was a far more successful offering, and one that I wish we'd have had ever since day one. --- Ben -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/blog/ I currently have 2 GMail invites for the taking ~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=37 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:182236 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CF developer numbers
On Oct 19, 2004, at 6:47 PM, James Holmes wrote: Yes, I see CF as being targeted at the end user rather than contract-based developers. I agree. This is happening -- but i don't think it has been targeted -- just the process of natural selection -- a case of the users defining the market rather than (or maybe in spite of) the manufacturers. CF gets installed into a lot of Gov and Edu sites and they often form their own teams to develop and maintain the apps (like in our case, where many of the full-time CF developers are in permanent positions and the more casual users are still able to do some of the work). The industry sees CF as a niche product (ref: Gartner Research) and I think this is probably that niche. If CF is relegated to a niche product, then the IT web development professionals are doing themselves a tremendous disservice. The fact that that CF is easy to learn for a lay person (or incidental developer) does not detract from its power, or applicability to more sophisticated applications. I think that the end user interest in CF will benefit the professional developer, in the long term. Dick -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2004 9:27 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF developer numbers Yes, Times, they are a'changing. When I first discovered CF (circa 1998) I could earn $10,000 for a typical 1-month project (the same project for the same $ took 3 months in Perl)/ There was lots of business around and I was able to get all the jobs I wanted. But, one of the problems with a system like CF is that it makes developing web sites so much easier and so, appeals to many developers of all levels of expertise. Of course this increases competition. I don't have a solution, but I think the life of a contract CF programmer has moved on ... ...to survive, we must adapt! ~| Sams Teach Yourself Regular Expressions in 10 Minutes by Ben Forta http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:181999 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: OT: CSS Class vs ID?
What if you want to change the attributes of some related items?
Say you have table cells:
tr
td id=col1row 1 column 1/td
td id=col2row 1 column 2/td
/tr
tr
td id=col1row 2 column 1/td
td id=col2row 2 column 2/td
/tr
*
*
*
You can change the column width for all cells in the column with:
document.getElementById(col1).style.width = 100;
This works with Safari, Mozilla, Firefox -- Haven't tested in IE yet.
You can't accomplish this with class because there is no
getElementByClass method
Dick
On Oct 20, 2004, at 9:30 AM, Andy Allan wrote:
The ID attribute is unique. It should apply to one and only one div.
Use the class attribute for general styles.
Andy
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:06:20 -0400, Damien McKenna
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Which is the more correct method for calling CSS styles, to use the id
attribute or the class attribute? Can IDs be nested, e.g. #box
#inside
#field {...}, like classes can be, e.g. table.box th.inside td.field
{...}.
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SOT: Drop-Ship Limitations to California
This is SOT but it may affect anyone writing programs to do ecommerce with customers in California. I was recently told by a pcConnection representative that they could only drop-ship items to California from pcConnection warehouses in Ohio and Tennessee -- because of California tax laws. Anyone ever heard of this? In my case it has caused a 2 1/2 month delay in receiving an item I ordered on Aug 2 that was in stock (but apparently not in the correct warehouse). TIA Dick Misery no longer loves company. Nowadays it insists on it. - Russell Baker - ~| This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=11 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:181867 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Field Naming
On Oct 19, 2004, at 8:47 AM, Keith Gaughan wrote: If everyone wants to get all technical with relational database theory, a table name should be singular because it is an ENTITY. The way I was taught it, a table represents a *set* of entities. Actually, a table is an entity that contains a set of entities. Dick Those who flee temptation generally leave a forwarding address. - Lane Olinghouse - ~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=34 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:181874 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Consume a web service with JavaScript...possible?
Have a look at Rob Rohan's Neuromancer: http://rohanclan.com/products/neuromancer/ He wrote this for the specific purpose of consuming web services with Javascript. HTH Dick On Oct 19, 2004, at 10:15 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: Massimo, Thanx for the info, unfortuantely, most of the links on http://www.mozilla.org/projects/webservices/ that would give more info are not working. What I need is something that will walk me through the steps like I am an idiot. Both for consuming Web Services with JavaScript and creating extensions for FireFox. Anyone else? On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:07:31 +0200, Massimo, Tiziana e Federica [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an idea for an extension for FireFox, One key element is going to be the ability to comsume a web service, or parse an XML file. Can I consume a web service using JavaSCript? Yes. If you are using Mozilla, this may be a good starting point: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/webservices/ Any ideas on good references on parsing XML in JavaSCript? Most of the stuff I have found is IE-centric. There are powerful croos-browser libraries that may be worth a check: https://sourceforge.net/projects/sarissa/ http://xmljs.sourceforge.net/index.html Hope it will help Massimo Foti DW tools: http://www.massimocorner.com CF tools: http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/ ~| Sams Teach Yourself Regular Expressions in 10 Minutes by Ben Forta http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:181899 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
