Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Casey Dougall]

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM, george.e...@ssa.gov george.e...@ssa.gov <
george.e...@ssa.gov> wrote:

>
>
> http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Adobe-Delivers-Beta-of-ColdFusion-9-and-ColdFusion-Builder-IDE-361260/?kc=EWKNLNAV07152009STR5
>
> George
>



Eweek arrived in mailbox today... No mention of Coldfusion :-(


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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[denstar]

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
>
> Sounds like a good way to go...
>
> Any other comments/warnings/gotcha's on this procedure?

Not really.  It's what I've done for a bunch of other plugins/testing
cfe, etc., so *theoretically* that's about it.

Java is marvelous, as far as just being able to copy stuff around, for
the most part.

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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

Hi, Ben.  I've calmed down...some.  I've just been living with that
aggravation in CFE for so long and...well...I just couldn't contain
my disappointment.  :o/  Boohoo...

Enhancement request filed...(who do I need to slip some green to get
this feature enhanced...and how much? $300? $500?) :o)

If this feature doesn't make it into the RTM of CFB, I'm going to have
to pay someone $300 to build in this feature into CFE for me.


-Original Message-
From: Ben Forta [mailto:b...@forta.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 6:25 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


As he said, this is a public beta, designed so that you can provide feedback
before it's too late to implement them. Take a big deep breath, and file all
bugs and enhancements requests, and the sooner the better.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: b...@bradwood.com [mailto:b...@bradwood.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:09 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


Take it easy-- it's a beta.  Log a bug and call it a day.  The new Flex
bug tracker is pretty kick butt.

http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html

~Brad

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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Ben Forta]

As he said, this is a public beta, designed so that you can provide feedback
before it's too late to implement them. Take a big deep breath, and file all
bugs and enhancements requests, and the sooner the better.

--- Ben


-Original Message-
From: b...@bradwood.com [mailto:b...@bradwood.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:09 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


Take it easy-- it's a beta.  Log a bug and call it a day.  The new Flex
bug tracker is pretty kick butt.

http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html

~Brad

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 Subject: RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
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 Can I not set folding markers anywhere I want??
 
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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[brad]

Take it easy-- it's a beta.  Log a bug and call it a day.  The new Flex
bug tracker is pretty kick butt.

http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html

~Brad

 Original Message 
 Subject: RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
 From: "Rick Faircloth" 
  
 Ahhh! Can only tags that are specified in Preferences be folded?
 
 Can I not set folding markers anywhere I want??
 
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 Tell me I'm just having a nightmare...
 
 Does CFB not maintain folded code state when opening a document?
 


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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[John M Bliss]

I came to the same conclusion:
http://cfbugs.adobe.com/bugreport/flexbugui/cfbugtracker/main.html#bugId=78723

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:

>
> Tell me I'm just having a nightmare...
>
> Does CFB not maintain folded code state when opening a document?
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Brady [mailto:dsbr...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:20 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>
>
> I don't know if there's a way to add shortcuts specific to the CF
> Builder (under "ColdFusion --> Editor Profiles --> Editor --> Keys in
> the preferences, I don't see a way to add. Only edit.).  You might be
> able to try it in the Eclipse-specific shortcuts (General --> Keys)
> [that's where I had to go to edit the "Next/Previous Editor" keys,
> because, for reasons I can't understand, CFBuilder has those as a
> completely different keyboard combination than I've ever seen -- why
> change it from the Eclipse standard [I think -- it's certainly common
> in other applications] of CTRL-Page Up/Down ??)
>
> Well, that kind of rambled.
>
> Scott
> > Different question... Anyone know how to edit keyboard shortcuts? I can
> pull
> > up keyassist but can't remember how to edit them.
> >
> > seems silly they would put sync upload / download in place and not create
> a
> > shortcut for it.
>
>
> --
> -
> Scott Brady
> http://www.scottbrady.net/
>
>
>
> 

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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

Ahhh!  Can only tags that are specified in Preferences be folded?

Can I not set folding markers anywhere I want??

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:44 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


Tell me I'm just having a nightmare...

Does CFB not maintain folded code state when opening a document?



-Original Message-
From: Scott Brady [mailto:dsbr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:20 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


I don't know if there's a way to add shortcuts specific to the CF
Builder (under "ColdFusion --> Editor Profiles --> Editor --> Keys in
the preferences, I don't see a way to add. Only edit.).  You might be
able to try it in the Eclipse-specific shortcuts (General --> Keys)
[that's where I had to go to edit the "Next/Previous Editor" keys,
because, for reasons I can't understand, CFBuilder has those as a
completely different keyboard combination than I've ever seen -- why
change it from the Eclipse standard [I think -- it's certainly common
in other applications] of CTRL-Page Up/Down ??)

Well, that kind of rambled.

Scott
> Different question... Anyone know how to edit keyboard shortcuts? I can
pull
> up keyassist but can't remember how to edit them.
>
> seems silly they would put sync upload / download in place and not create
a
> shortcut for it.


-- 
-
Scott Brady
http://www.scottbrady.net/





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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

Tell me I'm just having a nightmare...

Does CFB not maintain folded code state when opening a document?



-Original Message-
From: Scott Brady [mailto:dsbr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 11:20 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


I don't know if there's a way to add shortcuts specific to the CF
Builder (under "ColdFusion --> Editor Profiles --> Editor --> Keys in
the preferences, I don't see a way to add. Only edit.).  You might be
able to try it in the Eclipse-specific shortcuts (General --> Keys)
[that's where I had to go to edit the "Next/Previous Editor" keys,
because, for reasons I can't understand, CFBuilder has those as a
completely different keyboard combination than I've ever seen -- why
change it from the Eclipse standard [I think -- it's certainly common
in other applications] of CTRL-Page Up/Down ??)

Well, that kind of rambled.

Scott
> Different question... Anyone know how to edit keyboard shortcuts? I can
pull
> up keyassist but can't remember how to edit them.
>
> seems silly they would put sync upload / download in place and not create
a
> shortcut for it.


-- 
-
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http://www.scottbrady.net/



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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Scott Brady]

I don't know if there's a way to add shortcuts specific to the CF
Builder (under "ColdFusion --> Editor Profiles --> Editor --> Keys in
the preferences, I don't see a way to add. Only edit.).  You might be
able to try it in the Eclipse-specific shortcuts (General --> Keys)
[that's where I had to go to edit the "Next/Previous Editor" keys,
because, for reasons I can't understand, CFBuilder has those as a
completely different keyboard combination than I've ever seen -- why
change it from the Eclipse standard [I think -- it's certainly common
in other applications] of CTRL-Page Up/Down ??)

Well, that kind of rambled.

Scott
> Different question... Anyone know how to edit keyboard shortcuts? I can pull
> up keyassist but can't remember how to edit them.
>
> seems silly they would put sync upload / download in place and not create a
> shortcut for it.


-- 
-
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http://www.scottbrady.net/

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Cutter (ColdFusion)]

It was an issue with the Yoxos install, which has it's own custom update 
engine, that didn't like me installing the CFB plugin. Gave me an error 
every time I tried to pull up Eclipse, and immediately shut down. I've 
done a straight vanilla Gallileo install from the Eclipse site now, and 
have no issues.

Steve "Cutter" Blades
Adobe Certified Professional
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer

Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS"
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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Gerald Guido]

>> Unfortunately Yoxos is building with Gallileo right now

Yeah, I just noticed that they removed the option to chose the version of
eclipse. They also removed Aptana and a bunch of other plugins from my saved
profiles. Bummer.
>> CFB install doesn't appear to work properly with it.

That is odd. I have CFB running on Gallileo and I have not had any issues as
of yet. But then again I have not had a chance to really  run it through the
paces.

What seems to be broken so I can check it on my install?

I have not installed the stand alone version yet, anyone notice what version
of Eclipse is CFB shipping with?

G!

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Cutter (ColdFusion) <
cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com> wrote:

>
> Unfortunately Yoxos is building with Gallileo right now, and the CFB
> install doesn't appear to work properly with it.
>
> Steve "Cutter" Blades
> Adobe Certified Professional
> Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
>
> Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS"
> http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book
> _
> http://blog.cutterscrossing.com
>
>
> On 7/17/2009 8:45 AM, Gerald Guido wrote:
> >>> t's still frustrating trying to track down various plug-ins, etc,
> >>>
> > sometimes.
> >
> > Eclipse reminds me Linux with all of its dependencies, which is why
> package
> > managers are such a godsend.
> > Which is also why I am rather partial to Yoxos on demand
> > http://eclipsesource.com/en/yoxos/yoxos-ondemand/ It is like a package
> > manager for Eclipse. It takes care of all the dependencies for you.  Not
> to
> > mention one of the most bad ass web gui's I have seen to date.
> >
> > Check out the public profiles. There are some prebuilt installs for CF
> (with
> > Mylyn even).
> >
> > G!
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Rick Faircloth >wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> If you've never used Eclipse, Adobe wants you to
> >>> be able to easily install CFB.
> >>>
> >> That's a step in the right direction.  The world of Eclipse
> >> is confusing at first.  It's almost like "build-your-own-software land"
> >> compared to typical software installations.  It's still frustrating
> >> trying to track down various plug-ins, etc, sometimes.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:48 PM
> >> To: cf-talk
> >> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> So, choosing the install type of "Standard ColdFusion Builder
> >>>
> >> Installation"
> >>
> >>> ends up with Eclipse installed?  Either approach I take I end up with
> the
> >>> same thing?  Eclipse first, then CFB...or CFB first and end up Eclipse
> >>> anyway.
> >>>
> >> Yes. You can either install CFB into your existing Eclipse toolchain,
> >> or you can let CFB install Eclipse for you.
> >>
> >>
> >>> A little odd...
> >>>
> >> It's not odd at all. If you've never used Eclipse, Adobe wants you to
> >> be able to easily install CFB. Just like Flex Builder, which also
> >> offers the same choice.
> >>
> >> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> >> http://www.figleaf.com/
> >>
> >> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> >> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> >> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> >> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more informatio
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Cutter (ColdFusion)]

Unfortunately Yoxos is building with Gallileo right now, and the CFB 
install doesn't appear to work properly with it.

Steve "Cutter" Blades
Adobe Certified Professional
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer

Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS"
http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book
_
http://blog.cutterscrossing.com


On 7/17/2009 8:45 AM, Gerald Guido wrote:
>>> t's still frustrating trying to track down various plug-ins, etc,
>>>
> sometimes.
>
> Eclipse reminds me Linux with all of its dependencies, which is why package
> managers are such a godsend.
> Which is also why I am rather partial to Yoxos on demand
> http://eclipsesource.com/en/yoxos/yoxos-ondemand/ It is like a package
> manager for Eclipse. It takes care of all the dependencies for you.  Not to
> mention one of the most bad ass web gui's I have seen to date.
>
> Check out the public profiles. There are some prebuilt installs for CF (with
> Mylyn even).
>
> G!
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Rick 
> Fairclothwrote:
>
>
>>> If you've never used Eclipse, Adobe wants you to
>>> be able to easily install CFB.
>>>
>> That's a step in the right direction.  The world of Eclipse
>> is confusing at first.  It's almost like "build-your-own-software land"
>> compared to typical software installations.  It's still frustrating
>> trying to track down various plug-ins, etc, sometimes.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:48 PM
>> To: cf-talk
>> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>>
>>
>>  
>>> So, choosing the install type of "Standard ColdFusion Builder
>>>
>> Installation"
>>  
>>> ends up with Eclipse installed?  Either approach I take I end up with the
>>> same thing?  Eclipse first, then CFB...or CFB first and end up Eclipse
>>> anyway.
>>>
>> Yes. You can either install CFB into your existing Eclipse toolchain,
>> or you can let CFB install Eclipse for you.
>>
>>  
>>> A little odd...
>>>
>> It's not odd at all. If you've never used Eclipse, Adobe wants you to
>> be able to easily install CFB. Just like Flex Builder, which also
>> offers the same choice.
>>
>> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>> http://www.figleaf.com/
>>
>> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
>> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
>> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
>> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more informatio
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>
> 

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Gerald Guido]

>>t's still frustrating trying to track down various plug-ins, etc,
sometimes.

Eclipse reminds me Linux with all of its dependencies, which is why package
managers are such a godsend.
Which is also why I am rather partial to Yoxos on demand
http://eclipsesource.com/en/yoxos/yoxos-ondemand/ It is like a package
manager for Eclipse. It takes care of all the dependencies for you.  Not to
mention one of the most bad ass web gui's I have seen to date.

Check out the public profiles. There are some prebuilt installs for CF (with
Mylyn even).

G!

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:

>
> > If you've never used Eclipse, Adobe wants you to
> > be able to easily install CFB.
>
> That's a step in the right direction.  The world of Eclipse
> is confusing at first.  It's almost like "build-your-own-software land"
> compared to typical software installations.  It's still frustrating
> trying to track down various plug-ins, etc, sometimes.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:48 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>
>
> > So, choosing the install type of "Standard ColdFusion Builder
> Installation"
> > ends up with Eclipse installed?  Either approach I take I end up with the
> > same thing?  Eclipse first, then CFB...or CFB first and end up Eclipse
> > anyway.
>
> Yes. You can either install CFB into your existing Eclipse toolchain,
> or you can let CFB install Eclipse for you.
>
> > A little odd...
>
> It's not odd at all. If you've never used Eclipse, Adobe wants you to
> be able to easily install CFB. Just like Flex Builder, which also
> offers the same choice.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more informatio
>
>
>
> 

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Casey Dougall]

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:

>
> Sounds like a good way to go...
>
> Any other comments/warnings/gotcha's on this procedure?
>
>



Different question... Anyone know how to edit keyboard shortcuts? I can pull
up keyassist but can't remember how to edit them.

seems silly they would put sync upload / download in place and not create a
shortcut for it.


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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

Sounds like a good way to go...

Any other comments/warnings/gotcha's on this procedure?


-Original Message-
From: denstar [mailto:valliants...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:19 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


Ja know...

If you have a current Eclipse install that you like which contains
CFE, and want to try CFB in the same setting, theoretically, you
could:

1) Copy your current Eclipse install folder to something like eclipse-cfb
2) Either copy your workspace folder or create a new one
3) Fire up the "new" eclipse-cfb install and point it at the copied or
new workspace
4) Remove the CFE plugin from this "new" Eclipse install
5) Install CFB as a plugin for this "new" Eclipse install

If you did a new workspace, you can choose the "File > Import >
Existing projects into workspace" option and import all your existing
projects at once (assuming they're all under the chosen import
folder).  Be sure that the "copy existing project data into workspace"
(or whatever it says) is unchecked, as you probably don't want
multiple copies of your projects.

I added the bit about the workspace in case settings conflict or
something.  Could be you'd be fine using the same workspace with both
installs.  And I guess you could export your preferences from your old
workspace and import them into the new one, if you went the new
workspace route.

Someone said something about an error using existing projects with CFB?
If so, that is kinda messed up.  Probably project nature, but still.
That should totally be graceful.
Assuming what I vaguely recollect about said problem is true, and it
errors, that is.

Heh.

Anyways, there you go, a theoretically easy way to try out your
existing Eclipse with CFB, without messing your existing install up.

Theoretically.

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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

> If you've never used Eclipse, Adobe wants you to
> be able to easily install CFB.

That's a step in the right direction.  The world of Eclipse
is confusing at first.  It's almost like "build-your-own-software land"
compared to typical software installations.  It's still frustrating
trying to track down various plug-ins, etc, sometimes.

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:48 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


> So, choosing the install type of "Standard ColdFusion Builder
Installation"
> ends up with Eclipse installed?  Either approach I take I end up with the
> same thing?  Eclipse first, then CFB...or CFB first and end up Eclipse
> anyway.

Yes. You can either install CFB into your existing Eclipse toolchain,
or you can let CFB install Eclipse for you.

> A little odd...

It's not odd at all. If you've never used Eclipse, Adobe wants you to
be able to easily install CFB. Just like Flex Builder, which also
offers the same choice.

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[denstar]

Ja know...

If you have a current Eclipse install that you like which contains
CFE, and want to try CFB in the same setting, theoretically, you
could:

1) Copy your current Eclipse install folder to something like eclipse-cfb
2) Either copy your workspace folder or create a new one
3) Fire up the "new" eclipse-cfb install and point it at the copied or
new workspace
4) Remove the CFE plugin from this "new" Eclipse install
5) Install CFB as a plugin for this "new" Eclipse install

If you did a new workspace, you can choose the "File > Import >
Existing projects into workspace" option and import all your existing
projects at once (assuming they're all under the chosen import
folder).  Be sure that the "copy existing project data into workspace"
(or whatever it says) is unchecked, as you probably don't want
multiple copies of your projects.

I added the bit about the workspace in case settings conflict or
something.  Could be you'd be fine using the same workspace with both
installs.  And I guess you could export your preferences from your old
workspace and import them into the new one, if you went the new
workspace route.

Someone said something about an error using existing projects with CFB?
If so, that is kinda messed up.  Probably project nature, but still.
That should totally be graceful.
Assuming what I vaguely recollect about said problem is true, and it
errors, that is.

Heh.

Anyways, there you go, a theoretically easy way to try out your
existing Eclipse with CFB, without messing your existing install up.

Theoretically.

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Dave Watts]

> So, choosing the install type of "Standard ColdFusion Builder Installation"
> ends up with Eclipse installed?  Either approach I take I end up with the
> same thing?  Eclipse first, then CFB...or CFB first and end up Eclipse
> anyway.

Yes. You can either install CFB into your existing Eclipse toolchain,
or you can let CFB install Eclipse for you.

> A little odd...

It's not odd at all. If you've never used Eclipse, Adobe wants you to
be able to easily install CFB. Just like Flex Builder, which also
offers the same choice.

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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

I like all the tools in the same IDE.
And I'm not running 3.5.

> That would give you a separate Eclipse install.

So, choosing the install type of "Standard ColdFusion Builder Installation"
ends up with Eclipse installed?  Either approach I take I end up with the
same thing?  Eclipse first, then CFB...or CFB first and end up Eclipse
anyway.

A little odd...

Think I'll just abort my current installation of CFB and install Eclipse
3.4,
and then CFB as a plug-in if that's the case...

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:20 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


>> 3. Run CFE and CFB in separate Eclipse installs.
>
> A good possibility.
>
> How about:
>
> 4. Install CFB as stand-alone.

That would give you a separate Eclipse install.

> Is installation of CFB as an Eclipse plug-in preferable to stand-alone
> for some reason?

No. But if you already have Eclipse installed and are using it for
other things, you might prefer to have all your tools in the same IDE.
Or you might not, since you can't run CFB in 3.5.

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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

Two Eclipse installs with CFB as a plug-in?

-Original Message-
From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@visi.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 11:20 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


I'm running two installs. One CF Builder and one CFEclipse.



Wil Genovese

One man with courage makes a majority.
-Andrew Jackson

A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.

On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:

>
>> 1. Try installing it and find out.
>
> Not a chance...don't want to risk corrupting all my current CFE  
> projects
>
>> 2. Uninstall CFE from Eclipse.
>
> Can't uninstall CFE with all the current projects in there
>
>> 3. Run CFE and CFB in separate Eclipse installs.
>
> A good possibility.
>
> How about:
>
> 4. Install CFB as stand-alone.
>
> Is installation of CFB as an Eclipse plug-in preferable to stand-alone
> for some reason?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:50 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>
>
>> Under "Getting Installed" you advise installing CFB as a plug-in
>> if one already has an Eclipse installation.  But, what will happen
>> with my CFE plug-in?  They won't work in the same installation.   
>> That's
>> what Adobe's warning said when I tried two days ago to install it  
>> in my
>> existing Eclipse setup with CFE...
>
> You have the following choices.
>
> 1. Try installing it and find out.
> 2. Uninstall CFE from Eclipse.
> 3. Run CFE and CFB in separate Eclipse installs.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
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>
>
>
> 



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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Wil Genovese]

I'm running two installs. One CF Builder and one CFEclipse.



Wil Genovese

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A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.

On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:58 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:

>
>> 1. Try installing it and find out.
>
> Not a chance...don't want to risk corrupting all my current CFE  
> projects
>
>> 2. Uninstall CFE from Eclipse.
>
> Can't uninstall CFE with all the current projects in there
>
>> 3. Run CFE and CFB in separate Eclipse installs.
>
> A good possibility.
>
> How about:
>
> 4. Install CFB as stand-alone.
>
> Is installation of CFB as an Eclipse plug-in preferable to stand-alone
> for some reason?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:50 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>
>
>> Under "Getting Installed" you advise installing CFB as a plug-in
>> if one already has an Eclipse installation.  But, what will happen
>> with my CFE plug-in?  They won't work in the same installation.   
>> That's
>> what Adobe's warning said when I tried two days ago to install it  
>> in my
>> existing Eclipse setup with CFE...
>
> You have the following choices.
>
> 1. Try installing it and find out.
> 2. Uninstall CFE from Eclipse.
> 3. Run CFE and CFB in separate Eclipse installs.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more informati
>
>
>
> 

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Dave Watts]

>> 3. Run CFE and CFB in separate Eclipse installs.
>
> A good possibility.
>
> How about:
>
> 4. Install CFB as stand-alone.

That would give you a separate Eclipse install.

> Is installation of CFB as an Eclipse plug-in preferable to stand-alone
> for some reason?

No. But if you already have Eclipse installed and are using it for
other things, you might prefer to have all your tools in the same IDE.
Or you might not, since you can't run CFB in 3.5.

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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

> 1. Try installing it and find out.

Not a chance...don't want to risk corrupting all my current CFE projects

> 2. Uninstall CFE from Eclipse.

Can't uninstall CFE with all the current projects in there

> 3. Run CFE and CFB in separate Eclipse installs.

A good possibility.

How about:

4. Install CFB as stand-alone.

Is installation of CFB as an Eclipse plug-in preferable to stand-alone
for some reason?


-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:50 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


> Under "Getting Installed" you advise installing CFB as a plug-in
> if one already has an Eclipse installation.  But, what will happen
> with my CFE plug-in?  They won't work in the same installation.  That's
> what Adobe's warning said when I tried two days ago to install it in my
> existing Eclipse setup with CFE...

You have the following choices.

1. Try installing it and find out.
2. Uninstall CFE from Eclipse.
3. Run CFE and CFB in separate Eclipse installs.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Dave Watts]

> Under "Getting Installed" you advise installing CFB as a plug-in
> if one already has an Eclipse installation.  But, what will happen
> with my CFE plug-in?  They won't work in the same installation.  That's
> what Adobe's warning said when I tried two days ago to install it in my
> existing Eclipse setup with CFE...

You have the following choices.

1. Try installing it and find out.
2. Uninstall CFE from Eclipse.
3. Run CFE and CFB in separate Eclipse installs.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Wil Genovese]

I'll clarify that part.


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On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:37 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:

>
> Ok, Wil...next point.
>
> Under "Getting Installed" you advise installing CFB as a plug-in
> if one already has an Eclipse installation.  But, what will happen
> with my CFE plug-in?  They won't work in the same installation.   
> That's
> what Adobe's warning said when I tried two days ago to install it in  
> my
> existing Eclipse setup with CFE...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@visi.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:53 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>
>
> yes, read my blog - MOST people are not reading the CF Builder
> documentation and thus missing one very important step when adding
> third-party plugins to the stand alone version.
>
> http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/7/14/Getting-Started-with-ColdFusion-
> Builder
>
>
>
> Wil Genovese
>
> One man with courage makes a majority.
> -Andrew Jackson
>
> A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
>
> On Jul 15, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be
>> installed
>> as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself.
>>
>> So is anyone successfully using CFEclipse and CFBuilder in the same
>> Eclipse
>> install?
>>
>> It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together.
>> What is that the case?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Cutter (ColdFusion) [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:56 AM
>> To: cf-talk
>> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>>
>>
>> Personal experience has been that installing as a plugin, rather
>> than as
>> a standalone, has allowed me greater flexibility when I wanted to
>> flesh
>> out my environment by including subclipse, etc.
>>
>> Steve "Cutter" Blades
>> Adobe Certified Professional
>> Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
>>
>> Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS"
>> http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book
>> _
>> http://blog.cutterscrossing.com
>>
>>
>> On 7/15/2009 10:42 AM, Casey Dougall wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the
>>>> Eclipse
>>>> plugin?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user.
>>> Going
>> to
>>> give this a shot though...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 

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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

Ok, Wil...next point.

Under "Getting Installed" you advise installing CFB as a plug-in
if one already has an Eclipse installation.  But, what will happen
with my CFE plug-in?  They won't work in the same installation.  That's
what Adobe's warning said when I tried two days ago to install it in my
existing Eclipse setup with CFE...

-Original Message-
From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@visi.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:53 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


yes, read my blog - MOST people are not reading the CF Builder  
documentation and thus missing one very important step when adding  
third-party plugins to the stand alone version.

http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/7/14/Getting-Started-with-ColdFusion-
Builder



Wil Genovese

One man with courage makes a majority.
-Andrew Jackson

A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.

On Jul 15, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:

>
> Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be  
> installed
> as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself.
>
> So is anyone successfully using CFEclipse and CFBuilder in the same  
> Eclipse
> install?
>
> It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together.
> What is that the case?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cutter (ColdFusion) [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:56 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>
>
> Personal experience has been that installing as a plugin, rather  
> than as
> a standalone, has allowed me greater flexibility when I wanted to  
> flesh
> out my environment by including subclipse, etc.
>
> Steve "Cutter" Blades
> Adobe Certified Professional
> Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
>
> Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS"
> http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book
> _
> http://blog.cutterscrossing.com
>
>
> On 7/15/2009 10:42 AM, Casey Dougall wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the  
>>> Eclipse
>>> plugin?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user.  
>> Going
> to
>> give this a shot though...
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 



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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

Just getting around to reading your blog and didn't get past the second
paragraph before...oh, no...Aptana.  I don't like that piece of code.  Let's
hope it behaves better in CFB than in Eclipse as a plug-in...

-Original Message-
From: Wil Genovese [mailto:jugg...@visi.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:53 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


yes, read my blog - MOST people are not reading the CF Builder  
documentation and thus missing one very important step when adding  
third-party plugins to the stand alone version.

http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/7/14/Getting-Started-with-ColdFusion-
Builder



Wil Genovese

One man with courage makes a majority.
-Andrew Jackson

A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.

On Jul 15, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:

>
> Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be  
> installed
> as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself.
>
> So is anyone successfully using CFEclipse and CFBuilder in the same  
> Eclipse
> install?
>
> It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together.
> What is that the case?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cutter (ColdFusion) [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:56 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>
>
> Personal experience has been that installing as a plugin, rather  
> than as
> a standalone, has allowed me greater flexibility when I wanted to  
> flesh
> out my environment by including subclipse, etc.
>
> Steve "Cutter" Blades
> Adobe Certified Professional
> Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
>
> Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS"
> http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book
> _
> http://blog.cutterscrossing.com
>
>
> On 7/15/2009 10:42 AM, Casey Dougall wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the  
>>> Eclipse
>>> plugin?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user.  
>> Going
> to
>> give this a shot though...
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 



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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Wil Genovese]

That is weird since I just installed some additional Mylin  
components.  Mylin Task List, Mylin Bridge: Eclipse IDE, and Mylin  
Bridge Team Support with no issues on Win XP Pro.  I also installed  
Mylin and Mylin Extras on my Mac Book Pro with no issues.  Both  
computers are using the public beta installed as standalone.

Interesting side note is that the UI and steps taken for adding  
plugins are different between the Mac and Win XP.




Wil Genovese

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A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.

On Jul 16, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Greg Luce wrote:

>
> Yeah, I tried adding the ganymede update site and it errored on that  
> too.
> I'll probably start over and also try CF Builder as a plugin.
>
> Greg Luce
> Luce Consulting Services, Inc.
> www.luceconsulting.net
> (863) 273-0289
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Wil Genovese   
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Have you read the ColdFusion Builder docs about adding third-party
>> plugins?
>>
>> I posted about setting up SVN on my blog and as a part of that I
>> always choose the Subclipse Integration for Mylin.  Is this all your
>> looking for?
>>
>> The docs from Adobe state you must add the Ganymede Update site in
>> order for third-party plugins to install properly since this update
>> site allows you to grab the needed dependancies.
>>
>> See my blog post (
>> http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/7/14/Getting-Started-with-ColdFusion-Builder
>> ) for Getting Started with ColdFusion Builder or read the Adobe
>> Documentation if you have not added the Ganymede Update.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wil Genovese
>>
>> One man with courage makes a majority.
>> -Andrew Jackson
>>
>> A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
>>
>> On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Greg Luce wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Adam or anyone else have any luck installing Mylyn to the
>>> standalone? That's
>>> a deal-breaker for me.
>>>
>>> Greg Luce
>>> Luce Consulting Services, Inc.
>>> www.luceconsulting.net
>>> (863) 273-0289
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Greg Luce]

Yeah, I tried adding the ganymede update site and it errored on that too.
I'll probably start over and also try CF Builder as a plugin.

Greg Luce
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www.luceconsulting.net
(863) 273-0289



On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Wil Genovese  wrote:

>
> Have you read the ColdFusion Builder docs about adding third-party
> plugins?
>
> I posted about setting up SVN on my blog and as a part of that I
> always choose the Subclipse Integration for Mylin.  Is this all your
> looking for?
>
> The docs from Adobe state you must add the Ganymede Update site in
> order for third-party plugins to install properly since this update
> site allows you to grab the needed dependancies.
>
> See my blog post (
> http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/7/14/Getting-Started-with-ColdFusion-Builder
>  ) for Getting Started with ColdFusion Builder or read the Adobe
> Documentation if you have not added the Ganymede Update.
>
>
>
>
> Wil Genovese
>
> One man with courage makes a majority.
> -Andrew Jackson
>
> A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
>
>  On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Greg Luce wrote:
>
> >
> > Adam or anyone else have any luck installing Mylyn to the
> > standalone? That's
> > a deal-breaker for me.
> >
> > Greg Luce
> > Luce Consulting Services, Inc.
> > www.luceconsulting.net
> > (863) 273-0289
> >
> >
>
>


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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[denstar]

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Dave Watts wrote:
>
>> It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the
>> two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is purposefully
>> creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the
>> competition...
>
> Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do
> the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe.

I don't think it's malice, but for the record, Eclipse is perfectly
capable of having two plugins that do the same stuff.

For a while I had like 3 JS editors, a couple XML editors, blah blah blah.

:Den

-- 
No ghost was every seen by two pair of eyes.
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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Wil Genovese]

Have you read the ColdFusion Builder docs about adding third-party  
plugins?

I posted about setting up SVN on my blog and as a part of that I  
always choose the Subclipse Integration for Mylin.  Is this all your  
looking for?

The docs from Adobe state you must add the Ganymede Update site in  
order for third-party plugins to install properly since this update  
site allows you to grab the needed dependancies.

See my blog post 
(http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/7/14/Getting-Started-with-ColdFusion-Builder
 
  ) for Getting Started with ColdFusion Builder or read the Adobe  
Documentation if you have not added the Ganymede Update.




Wil Genovese

One man with courage makes a majority.
-Andrew Jackson

A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.

On Jul 16, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Greg Luce wrote:

>
> Adam or anyone else have any luck installing Mylyn to the  
> standalone? That's
> a deal-breaker for me.
>
> Greg Luce
> Luce Consulting Services, Inc.
> www.luceconsulting.net
> (863) 273-0289
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Cutter (ColdFusion) <
> cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> No, I don't think it is.
>>
>> It ilooks to me as if there are large blocks of code, within  
>> ColdFusion
>> Builder, that were written by Mark Drew (and it seems I have heard  
>> that
>> somewhere). It stands to reason that they wouldn't interoperate, as
>> ultimately they don't just have similar classes and functions, they  
>> are
>> the same classes and functions. From what I can tell, ColdFusion  
>> Builder
>> has every feature that CFEclipse has, plus more. But, we're talking  
>> two
>> separate spaces here: ColdFusion Builder will presumably be a paid
>> application, whereas CFEclipse is an open source application. Is  
>> there a
>> need to use both simultaneously? No, I don't think so. The only  
>> reason I
>> can (currently) see for switching back and forth is if you are also
>> using the CFFrameworks or MxUnit tools (which are separate), and I'm
>> sure someone will write CFB extensions to emulate that functionality.
>>
>> If someone wrote a warning into the installer, and I'm not saying  
>> they
>> haven't (though I haven't seen it), I can see where there's a very  
>> valid
>> reason for doing so. It's not an attempt to push out the little  
>> guy, or
>> put you in Adobe's black box. It would be a valid warning to let you
>> (the user) know that you will probably have incompatibility issues  
>> that
>> will compromise your productivity.
>>
>> Steve "Cutter" Blades
>> Adobe Certified Professional
>> Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
>>
>> Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS"
>> http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book
>> _
>> http://blog.cutterscrossing.com
>>
>>
>> On 7/16/2009 9:46 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
>>> By "prepared", I meant that the statement was ready to be delivered
>>> upon even finding the installation of CFEclipse.
>>>
>>> Meaning that Adobe must have set up the installation process to look
>>> for a CFE installation and warn that the two could not be used  
>>> together.
>>>
>>> i.echoose sides...we won't or can't play together on the same
>>> playground.
>>>
>>> How is my assessment inaccurate?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:38 AM
>>> To: cf-talk
>>> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>>>
>>>
>>> Prepared statement? News to me. Can you point me to it?
>>> -Adam Lehman
>>> ColdFusion Project Manager
>>> Adobe Systems Inc
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Rick Faircloth
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yeah, well, it certainly made me a little suspicious when there  
>>>> was a
>>>> seemingly "prepared" statement ready to pounce on CFEclipse when  
>>>> its
>>>> installation was detected.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:11 PM
>>>> To: cf-talk
>>>> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It could be that there are unavoidable, i

RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

Have you tried installing Eclipse, then CFB as a plug-in, then installing
Mylyn?
Just curious because I'm trying to figure out which way to approach CFB this
evening
or tomorrow.

I'd like (at least) Eclipse, CFB, Subclipse, Amateras (if CFB can't replace
it), and
perhaps, Mylyn.

Seems like the best route extensibility would be Eclipse followed by the
plug-ins, rather
than CFB with plug-ins...

-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:luce...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:01 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


Adam or anyone else have any luck installing Mylyn to the standalone? That's
a deal-breaker for me.

Greg Luce
Luce Consulting Services, Inc.
www.luceconsulting.net
(863) 273-0289



On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Cutter (ColdFusion) <
cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com> wrote:

>
> No, I don't think it is.
>
> It ilooks to me as if there are large blocks of code, within ColdFusion
> Builder, that were written by Mark Drew (and it seems I have heard that
> somewhere). It stands to reason that they wouldn't interoperate, as
> ultimately they don't just have similar classes and functions, they are
> the same classes and functions. From what I can tell, ColdFusion Builder
> has every feature that CFEclipse has, plus more. But, we're talking two
> separate spaces here: ColdFusion Builder will presumably be a paid
> application, whereas CFEclipse is an open source application. Is there a
> need to use both simultaneously? No, I don't think so. The only reason I
> can (currently) see for switching back and forth is if you are also
> using the CFFrameworks or MxUnit tools (which are separate), and I'm
> sure someone will write CFB extensions to emulate that functionality.
>
> If someone wrote a warning into the installer, and I'm not saying they
> haven't (though I haven't seen it), I can see where there's a very valid
> reason for doing so. It's not an attempt to push out the little guy, or
> put you in Adobe's black box. It would be a valid warning to let you
> (the user) know that you will probably have incompatibility issues that
> will compromise your productivity.
>
> Steve "Cutter" Blades
> Adobe Certified Professional
> Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
>
> Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS"
> http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book
> _
> http://blog.cutterscrossing.com
>
>
>  On 7/16/2009 9:46 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
> > By "prepared", I meant that the statement was ready to be delivered
> > upon even finding the installation of CFEclipse.
> >
> > Meaning that Adobe must have set up the installation process to look
> > for a CFE installation and warn that the two could not be used together.
> >
> > i.echoose sides...we won't or can't play together on the same
> > playground.
> >
> > How is my assessment inaccurate?
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:38 AM
> > To: cf-talk
> > Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
> >
> >
> > Prepared statement? News to me. Can you point me to it?
> > -Adam Lehman
> > ColdFusion Project Manager
> > Adobe Systems Inc
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Rick Faircloth
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Yeah, well, it certainly made me a little suspicious when there was a
> >> seemingly "prepared" statement ready to pounce on CFEclipse when its
> >> installation was detected.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:11 PM
> >> To: cf-talk
> >> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the
> >>> two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is
> >>>
> >> purposefully
> >>
> >>> creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the
> >>> competition...
> >>>
> >> Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do
> >> the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe.
> >>
> >> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> >> http://www.figleaf.com/
> >>
> >> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> >> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> >> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> >> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 



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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Greg Luce]

Adam or anyone else have any luck installing Mylyn to the standalone? That's
a deal-breaker for me.

Greg Luce
Luce Consulting Services, Inc.
www.luceconsulting.net
(863) 273-0289



On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Cutter (ColdFusion) <
cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com> wrote:

>
> No, I don't think it is.
>
> It ilooks to me as if there are large blocks of code, within ColdFusion
> Builder, that were written by Mark Drew (and it seems I have heard that
> somewhere). It stands to reason that they wouldn't interoperate, as
> ultimately they don't just have similar classes and functions, they are
> the same classes and functions. From what I can tell, ColdFusion Builder
> has every feature that CFEclipse has, plus more. But, we're talking two
> separate spaces here: ColdFusion Builder will presumably be a paid
> application, whereas CFEclipse is an open source application. Is there a
> need to use both simultaneously? No, I don't think so. The only reason I
> can (currently) see for switching back and forth is if you are also
> using the CFFrameworks or MxUnit tools (which are separate), and I'm
> sure someone will write CFB extensions to emulate that functionality.
>
> If someone wrote a warning into the installer, and I'm not saying they
> haven't (though I haven't seen it), I can see where there's a very valid
> reason for doing so. It's not an attempt to push out the little guy, or
> put you in Adobe's black box. It would be a valid warning to let you
> (the user) know that you will probably have incompatibility issues that
> will compromise your productivity.
>
> Steve "Cutter" Blades
> Adobe Certified Professional
> Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
>
> Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS"
> http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book
> _
> http://blog.cutterscrossing.com
>
>
>  On 7/16/2009 9:46 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
> > By "prepared", I meant that the statement was ready to be delivered
> > upon even finding the installation of CFEclipse.
> >
> > Meaning that Adobe must have set up the installation process to look
> > for a CFE installation and warn that the two could not be used together.
> >
> > i.echoose sides...we won't or can't play together on the same
> > playground.
> >
> > How is my assessment inaccurate?
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:38 AM
> > To: cf-talk
> > Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
> >
> >
> > Prepared statement? News to me. Can you point me to it?
> > -Adam Lehman
> > ColdFusion Project Manager
> > Adobe Systems Inc
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Rick Faircloth
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Yeah, well, it certainly made me a little suspicious when there was a
> >> seemingly "prepared" statement ready to pounce on CFEclipse when its
> >> installation was detected.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:11 PM
> >> To: cf-talk
> >> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the
> >>> two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is
> >>>
> >> purposefully
> >>
> >>> creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the
> >>> competition...
> >>>
> >> Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do
> >> the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe.
> >>
> >> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> >> http://www.figleaf.com/
> >>
> >> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> >> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> >> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> >> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Cutter (ColdFusion)]

No, I don't think it is.

It ilooks to me as if there are large blocks of code, within ColdFusion 
Builder, that were written by Mark Drew (and it seems I have heard that 
somewhere). It stands to reason that they wouldn't interoperate, as 
ultimately they don't just have similar classes and functions, they are 
the same classes and functions. From what I can tell, ColdFusion Builder 
has every feature that CFEclipse has, plus more. But, we're talking two 
separate spaces here: ColdFusion Builder will presumably be a paid 
application, whereas CFEclipse is an open source application. Is there a 
need to use both simultaneously? No, I don't think so. The only reason I 
can (currently) see for switching back and forth is if you are also 
using the CFFrameworks or MxUnit tools (which are separate), and I'm 
sure someone will write CFB extensions to emulate that functionality.

If someone wrote a warning into the installer, and I'm not saying they 
haven't (though I haven't seen it), I can see where there's a very valid 
reason for doing so. It's not an attempt to push out the little guy, or 
put you in Adobe's black box. It would be a valid warning to let you 
(the user) know that you will probably have incompatibility issues that 
will compromise your productivity.

Steve "Cutter" Blades
Adobe Certified Professional
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer

Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS"
http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book
_
http://blog.cutterscrossing.com


On 7/16/2009 9:46 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
> By "prepared", I meant that the statement was ready to be delivered
> upon even finding the installation of CFEclipse.
>
> Meaning that Adobe must have set up the installation process to look
> for a CFE installation and warn that the two could not be used together.
>
> i.echoose sides...we won't or can't play together on the same
> playground.
>
> How is my assessment inaccurate?
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:38 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>
>
> Prepared statement? News to me. Can you point me to it?
> -Adam Lehman
> ColdFusion Project Manager
> Adobe Systems Inc
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Rick Faircloth
> wrote:
>
>
>> Yeah, well, it certainly made me a little suspicious when there was a
>> seemingly "prepared" statement ready to pounce on CFEclipse when its
>> installation was detected.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:11 PM
>> To: cf-talk
>> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>>
>>
>>  
>>> It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the
>>> two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is
>>>
>> purposefully
>>  
>>> creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the
>>> competition...
>>>
>> Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do
>> the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe.
>>
>> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>> http://www.figleaf.com/
>>
>> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
>> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
>> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
>> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>
>
>
> 

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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

> Many users were testing CFB and CFE together during our private betas.

Are you saying that CFB and CFE were installed as plugins in the same
Eclipse installation and functioned without problem?


-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:37 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


1. Check out my blog post on ColdFusion Builder memory settings. Flash
Builder defaults to use much more memory than CF Builder, which is why you
might want to install FB first. We will be updating the default settings for
the next release of ColdFusion Builder, but in the meantime:
http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/update-your-coldfusion-builder-beta-s
ettings-for-flash-builder-4-beta
<http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/update-your-coldfusion-builder-beta-
settings-for-flash-builder-4-beta>2.
Many users were testing CFB and CFE together during our private betas. If
there are some bugs in the public beta, they are certainly not intentional.

-Adam

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Scott Brady  wrote:
>
>
> Other things I've heard from a reliable source but haven't confirmed:
> 1) If you plan on using Flex Builder and CF  Builder, install Flex
> Builder as a standalone and then install the CF Builder plugin into it
> 2) cfeclipse and CF Builder don't work well together in the same
> installation.
>
> Scott
>
>




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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

By "prepared", I meant that the statement was ready to be delivered
upon even finding the installation of CFEclipse.

Meaning that Adobe must have set up the installation process to look
for a CFE installation and warn that the two could not be used together.

i.echoose sides...we won't or can't play together on the same
playground.

How is my assessment inaccurate?


-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:38 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


Prepared statement? News to me. Can you point me to it?
-Adam Lehman
ColdFusion Project Manager
Adobe Systems Inc

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:

>
> Yeah, well, it certainly made me a little suspicious when there was a
> seemingly "prepared" statement ready to pounce on CFEclipse when its
> installation was detected.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:11 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>
>
> > It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the
> > two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is
> purposefully
> > creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the
> > competition...
>
> Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do
> the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
>
>
>
> 



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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Adrocknaphobia]

Prepared statement? News to me. Can you point me to it?
-Adam Lehman
ColdFusion Project Manager
Adobe Systems Inc

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:

>
> Yeah, well, it certainly made me a little suspicious when there was a
> seemingly "prepared" statement ready to pounce on CFEclipse when its
> installation was detected.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:11 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>
>
> > It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the
> > two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is
> purposefully
> > creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the
> > competition...
>
> Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do
> the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
>
>
>
> 

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Adrocknaphobia]

1. Check out my blog post on ColdFusion Builder memory settings. Flash
Builder defaults to use much more memory than CF Builder, which is why you
might want to install FB first. We will be updating the default settings for
the next release of ColdFusion Builder, but in the meantime:
http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/update-your-coldfusion-builder-beta-settings-for-flash-builder-4-beta
2.
Many users were testing CFB and CFE together during our private betas. If
there are some bugs in the public beta, they are certainly not intentional.

-Adam

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Scott Brady  wrote:
>
>
> Other things I've heard from a reliable source but haven't confirmed:
> 1) If you plan on using Flex Builder and CF  Builder, install Flex
> Builder as a standalone and then install the CF Builder plugin into it
> 2) cfeclipse and CF Builder don't work well together in the same
> installation.
>
> Scott
>
>


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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Scott Brady]

When you're writing your applications, do you not try to anticipate
certain things users will try that you know may cause problems and
then provide them appropriate messages?  I think Adobe predicted that
a lot of users would try to have CFEclipse and CF Builder on the same
Eclipse installation and wanted to provide a more useful message to
them.  And, given that people have tried that, I think they were
right. :)

Scott

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
>
> Yeah, well, it certainly made me a little suspicious when there was a
> seemingly "prepared" statement ready to pounce on CFEclipse when its
> installation was detected.
>


-- 
-
Scott Brady
http://www.scottbrady.net/

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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

Yeah, well, it certainly made me a little suspicious when there was a
seemingly "prepared" statement ready to pounce on CFEclipse when its
installation was detected.

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 9:11 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


> It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the
> two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is
purposefully
> creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the
> competition...

Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do
the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/

Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Casey Dougall]

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Dave Watts  wrote:

>
> Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do
> the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe.
>


Yeah well, there color pallet sucks in standalone!  All over the place.

Bright Blue for tags Dam.


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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Dave Watts]

> It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the
> two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is purposefully
> creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the
> competition...

Given the likelihood of conflict between two Eclipse plugins that do
the same thing, I don't think we need to ascribe malice to Adobe.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/

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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

It could be that there are unavoidable, inherent conflicts between the
two plug-ins...or it could be that the 500-lb Adobe gorilla is purposefully
creating unnecessary incompatibilities in order to muscle out the
competition...

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 8:35 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


> > This shouldn't really be too surprising, as ColdFusion Builder
> > is intended to be used instead of CFEclipse.
>
> That statement carries a lot of implications. Where did you hear this and,
> how and where can I confirm this statement?

I didn't hear it from anywhere. It's a simple observation. You can
confirm (or refute) it yourself, by downloading the public beta of
ColdFusion Builder yourself.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Dave Watts]

> > This shouldn't really be too surprising, as ColdFusion Builder
> > is intended to be used instead of CFEclipse.
>
> That statement carries a lot of implications. Where did you hear this and,
> how and where can I confirm this statement?

I didn't hear it from anywhere. It's a simple observation. You can
confirm (or refute) it yourself, by downloading the public beta of
ColdFusion Builder yourself.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Emmit Larson]

>>>This shouldn't really be too surprising, as ColdFusion Builder
is intended to be used instead of CFEclipse.
That statement carries a lot of implications. Where did you hear this and,
how and where can I confirm this statement?

Kind Regards,
Emmit


On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Dave Watts  wrote:

>
> > It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together.
> > What is that the case?
>
> Probably because they do the same thing, with the same sort of files,
> etc. You can install as many copies of Eclipse as you need, if you
> want to use CFEclipse for some things and ColdFusion Builder for
> others. This shouldn't really be too surprising, as ColdFusion Builder
> is intended to be used instead of CFEclipse.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
>
> 

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Wil Genovese]

I think if your new to Eclipse your going to have to visit the Eclipse  
site and watch some videos.

There is an option to auto select dependencies.  I use that all the  
time since there is no way to know from the long list of option what  
is needed.


Wil Genovese

One man with courage makes a majority.
-Andrew Jackson

A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.

On Jul 15, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Greg Luce wrote:

>
> Wow, I tried adding that gaymede  update site and just get the box  
> that says
> there are incompatibilities. If you look at the list there are a  
> hundred or
> so items all checked. No indication of what is incompatible.
>
> Greg
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Wil Genovese   
> wrote:
>
>>
>> yes, read my blog - MOST people are not reading the CF Builder
>> documentation and thus missing one very important step when adding
>> third-party plugins to the stand alone version.
>>
>>
>> http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/7/14/Getting-Started-with-ColdFusion-Builder
>>
>>
>>
>> Wil Genovese
>>
>> One man with courage makes a majority.
>> -Andrew Jackson
>>
>> A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be
>>> installed
>>> as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself.
>>>
>>> So is anyone successfully using CFEclipse and CFBuilder in the same
>>> Eclipse
>>> install?
>>>
>>> It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together.
>>> What is that the case?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Cutter (ColdFusion) [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:56 AM
>>> To: cf-talk
>>> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>>>
>>>
>>> Personal experience has been that installing as a plugin, rather
>>> than as
>>> a standalone, has allowed me greater flexibility when I wanted to
>>> flesh
>>> out my environment by including subclipse, etc.
>>>
>>> Steve "Cutter" Blades
>>> Adobe Certified Professional
>>> Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
>>>
>>> Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS"
>>> http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book
>>> _
>>> http://blog.cutterscrossing.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/15/2009 10:42 AM, Casey Dougall wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the
>>>>> Eclipse
>>>>> plugin?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user.
>>>> Going
>>> to
>>>> give this a shot though...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Greg Luce]

Wow, I tried adding that gaymede  update site and just get the box that says
there are incompatibilities. If you look at the list there are a hundred or
so items all checked. No indication of what is incompatible.

Greg

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Wil Genovese  wrote:

>
> yes, read my blog - MOST people are not reading the CF Builder
> documentation and thus missing one very important step when adding
> third-party plugins to the stand alone version.
>
>
> http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/7/14/Getting-Started-with-ColdFusion-Builder
>
>
>
> Wil Genovese
>
> One man with courage makes a majority.
> -Andrew Jackson
>
> A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
>
> On Jul 15, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:
>
> >
> > Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be
> > installed
> > as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself.
> >
> > So is anyone successfully using CFEclipse and CFBuilder in the same
> > Eclipse
> > install?
> >
> > It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together.
> > What is that the case?
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Cutter (ColdFusion) [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:56 AM
> > To: cf-talk
> > Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
> >
> >
> > Personal experience has been that installing as a plugin, rather
> > than as
> > a standalone, has allowed me greater flexibility when I wanted to
> > flesh
> > out my environment by including subclipse, etc.
> >
> > Steve "Cutter" Blades
> > Adobe Certified Professional
> > Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
> >
> > Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS"
> > http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book
> > _
> > http://blog.cutterscrossing.com
> >
> >
> > On 7/15/2009 10:42 AM, Casey Dougall wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the
> >>> Eclipse
> >>> plugin?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user.
> >> Going
> > to
> >> give this a shot though...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

> you multi-task you activate the task and the 18 files you need open
open up

That does sound good...

-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:luce...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:46 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


But you should REALLY try Mylyn. Even if you don't connect to external bug
trackers you can keep local tasks and mylyn keeps context for them so that
when you multi-task you activate the task and the 18 files you need open
open up! I would be a mess without it.

Greg

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Greg Luce  wrote:

> Subclipse seems fine.
>
> Greg
>
>   On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Rick Faircloth <
> r...@whitestonemedia.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't use Mylyn, but any problem with Subclipse?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Greg Luce [mailto:luce...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:17 PM
>> To: cf-talk
>> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>>
>>
>>  I wasn't able to install Mylyn into the standalone. Keeps erroring
>> saying
>> "'Install' has encountered a problem. An error occurred during
>> provisioning." This is the 32bit standalone on Vista, HP Quadcore, 4G
RAM.
>> Anyone have luck installing Mylyn? That and Subclipse are always my first
>> installs to eclipse other than cfeclipse.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Scott Brady  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > You can install plugins into the standalone builder. The standalone
>> > builder is, essentially, just its own Eclipse installation, which
>> > means you can install other plugins (such as subclipse) into it.
>> >
>> > One somewhat annoying thing is that both cfeclipse and CF Builder use
>> > a .project file, so you can't have a project in both applications (as
>> > far as I can tell, I know CF Builder wouldn't let me create a project
>> > if there was already a cfeclipse .project file in the folder). [I
>> > suspect the .project file is an eclipse standard, so every plugin
>> > would use the same file name]
>> >
>> > Other things I've heard from a reliable source but haven't confirmed:
>> > 1) If you plan on using Flex Builder and CF  Builder, install Flex
>> > Builder as a standalone and then install the CF Builder plugin into it
>> > 2) cfeclipse and CF Builder don't work well together in the same
>> > installation.
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Rick
>> > Faircloth wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be
>> installed
>> > > as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> 



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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Wil Genovese]

yes, read my blog - MOST people are not reading the CF Builder  
documentation and thus missing one very important step when adding  
third-party plugins to the stand alone version.

http://www.trunkful.com/index.cfm/2009/7/14/Getting-Started-with-ColdFusion-Builder



Wil Genovese

One man with courage makes a majority.
-Andrew Jackson

A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.

On Jul 15, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:

>
> Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be  
> installed
> as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself.
>
> So is anyone successfully using CFEclipse and CFBuilder in the same  
> Eclipse
> install?
>
> It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together.
> What is that the case?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cutter (ColdFusion) [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:56 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>
>
> Personal experience has been that installing as a plugin, rather  
> than as
> a standalone, has allowed me greater flexibility when I wanted to  
> flesh
> out my environment by including subclipse, etc.
>
> Steve "Cutter" Blades
> Adobe Certified Professional
> Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
>
> Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS"
> http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book
> _
> http://blog.cutterscrossing.com
>
>
> On 7/15/2009 10:42 AM, Casey Dougall wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the  
>>> Eclipse
>>> plugin?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user.  
>> Going
> to
>> give this a shot though...
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Greg Luce]

But you should REALLY try Mylyn. Even if you don't connect to external bug
trackers you can keep local tasks and mylyn keeps context for them so that
when you multi-task you activate the task and the 18 files you need open
open up! I would be a mess without it.

Greg

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Greg Luce  wrote:

> Subclipse seems fine.
>
> Greg
>
>   On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Rick Faircloth <
> r...@whitestonemedia.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't use Mylyn, but any problem with Subclipse?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Greg Luce [mailto:luce...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:17 PM
>> To: cf-talk
>> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>>
>>
>>  I wasn't able to install Mylyn into the standalone. Keeps erroring
>> saying
>> "'Install' has encountered a problem. An error occurred during
>> provisioning." This is the 32bit standalone on Vista, HP Quadcore, 4G RAM.
>> Anyone have luck installing Mylyn? That and Subclipse are always my first
>> installs to eclipse other than cfeclipse.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Scott Brady  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > You can install plugins into the standalone builder. The standalone
>> > builder is, essentially, just its own Eclipse installation, which
>> > means you can install other plugins (such as subclipse) into it.
>> >
>> > One somewhat annoying thing is that both cfeclipse and CF Builder use
>> > a .project file, so you can't have a project in both applications (as
>> > far as I can tell, I know CF Builder wouldn't let me create a project
>> > if there was already a cfeclipse .project file in the folder). [I
>> > suspect the .project file is an eclipse standard, so every plugin
>> > would use the same file name]
>> >
>> > Other things I've heard from a reliable source but haven't confirmed:
>> > 1) If you plan on using Flex Builder and CF  Builder, install Flex
>> > Builder as a standalone and then install the CF Builder plugin into it
>> > 2) cfeclipse and CF Builder don't work well together in the same
>> > installation.
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Rick
>> > Faircloth wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be
>> installed
>> > > as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> 

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Greg Luce]

Subclipse seems fine.

Greg

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Rick Faircloth wrote:

>
> I don't use Mylyn, but any problem with Subclipse?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Luce [mailto:luce...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:17 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>
>
>  I wasn't able to install Mylyn into the standalone. Keeps erroring saying
> "'Install' has encountered a problem. An error occurred during
> provisioning." This is the 32bit standalone on Vista, HP Quadcore, 4G RAM.
> Anyone have luck installing Mylyn? That and Subclipse are always my first
> installs to eclipse other than cfeclipse.
>
> Greg
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Scott Brady  wrote:
>
> >
> > You can install plugins into the standalone builder. The standalone
> > builder is, essentially, just its own Eclipse installation, which
> > means you can install other plugins (such as subclipse) into it.
> >
> > One somewhat annoying thing is that both cfeclipse and CF Builder use
> > a .project file, so you can't have a project in both applications (as
> > far as I can tell, I know CF Builder wouldn't let me create a project
> > if there was already a cfeclipse .project file in the folder). [I
> > suspect the .project file is an eclipse standard, so every plugin
> > would use the same file name]
> >
> > Other things I've heard from a reliable source but haven't confirmed:
> > 1) If you plan on using Flex Builder and CF  Builder, install Flex
> > Builder as a standalone and then install the CF Builder plugin into it
> > 2) cfeclipse and CF Builder don't work well together in the same
> > installation.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Rick
> > Faircloth wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed
> > > as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Gerald Guido]

>From what I have read about Flex Builder is that it is a very bare bones
version of Eclipse, so I would imagine that the same is true for CF builder.
That may give rise to dependency issues with such a minimal install. I
suspect that may be an issue. Or maybe not. I would build your Eclipse
distro the way you want it and then install CF Builder as a plugin.
G!

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Greg Luce  wrote:

>
> I wasn't able to install Mylyn into the standalone. Keeps erroring saying
> "'Install' has encountered a problem. An error occurred during
> provisioning." This is the 32bit standalone on Vista, HP Quadcore, 4G RAM.
> Anyone have luck installing Mylyn? That and Subclipse are always my first
> installs to eclipse other than cfeclipse.
>
> Greg
>
>
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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

I don't use Mylyn, but any problem with Subclipse?

-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:luce...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 2:17 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


I wasn't able to install Mylyn into the standalone. Keeps erroring saying
"'Install' has encountered a problem. An error occurred during
provisioning." This is the 32bit standalone on Vista, HP Quadcore, 4G RAM.
Anyone have luck installing Mylyn? That and Subclipse are always my first
installs to eclipse other than cfeclipse.

Greg

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Scott Brady  wrote:

>
> You can install plugins into the standalone builder. The standalone
> builder is, essentially, just its own Eclipse installation, which
> means you can install other plugins (such as subclipse) into it.
>
> One somewhat annoying thing is that both cfeclipse and CF Builder use
> a .project file, so you can't have a project in both applications (as
> far as I can tell, I know CF Builder wouldn't let me create a project
> if there was already a cfeclipse .project file in the folder). [I
> suspect the .project file is an eclipse standard, so every plugin
> would use the same file name]
>
> Other things I've heard from a reliable source but haven't confirmed:
> 1) If you plan on using Flex Builder and CF  Builder, install Flex
> Builder as a standalone and then install the CF Builder plugin into it
> 2) cfeclipse and CF Builder don't work well together in the same
> installation.
>
> Scott
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Rick
> Faircloth wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed
> > as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself.
>
> 



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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Greg Luce]

I wasn't able to install Mylyn into the standalone. Keeps erroring saying
"'Install' has encountered a problem. An error occurred during
provisioning." This is the 32bit standalone on Vista, HP Quadcore, 4G RAM.
Anyone have luck installing Mylyn? That and Subclipse are always my first
installs to eclipse other than cfeclipse.

Greg

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Scott Brady  wrote:

>
> You can install plugins into the standalone builder. The standalone
> builder is, essentially, just its own Eclipse installation, which
> means you can install other plugins (such as subclipse) into it.
>
> One somewhat annoying thing is that both cfeclipse and CF Builder use
> a .project file, so you can't have a project in both applications (as
> far as I can tell, I know CF Builder wouldn't let me create a project
> if there was already a cfeclipse .project file in the folder). [I
> suspect the .project file is an eclipse standard, so every plugin
> would use the same file name]
>
> Other things I've heard from a reliable source but haven't confirmed:
> 1) If you plan on using Flex Builder and CF  Builder, install Flex
> Builder as a standalone and then install the CF Builder plugin into it
> 2) cfeclipse and CF Builder don't work well together in the same
> installation.
>
> Scott
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Rick
> Faircloth wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed
> > as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself.
>
> 

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Scott Brady]

You can install plugins into the standalone builder. The standalone
builder is, essentially, just its own Eclipse installation, which
means you can install other plugins (such as subclipse) into it.

One somewhat annoying thing is that both cfeclipse and CF Builder use
a .project file, so you can't have a project in both applications (as
far as I can tell, I know CF Builder wouldn't let me create a project
if there was already a cfeclipse .project file in the folder). [I
suspect the .project file is an eclipse standard, so every plugin
would use the same file name]

Other things I've heard from a reliable source but haven't confirmed:
1) If you plan on using Flex Builder and CF  Builder, install Flex
Builder as a standalone and then install the CF Builder plugin into it
2) cfeclipse and CF Builder don't work well together in the same installation.

Scott

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Rick
Faircloth wrote:
>
> Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed
> as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself.

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Gerald Guido]

>>It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together.
Just a guess but it looks like the snippet browser is the same... I pointed
it to my existing snippets and they all worked... even the "wizards". hence
there are probably some conflicts.

G!


On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:

>
> Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed
> as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself.
>
> So is anyone successfully using CFEclipse and CFBuilder in the same Eclipse
> install?
>
> It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together.
> What is that the case?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cutter (ColdFusion) [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:56 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK
>
>
> Personal experience has been that installing as a plugin, rather than as
> a standalone, has allowed me greater flexibility when I wanted to flesh
> out my environment by including subclipse, etc.
>
> Steve "Cutter" Blades
> Adobe Certified Professional
> Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
>
> Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS"
> http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book
> _
> http://blog.cutterscrossing.com
>
>
> On 7/15/2009 10:42 AM, Casey Dougall wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the Eclipse
> >> plugin?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user. Going
> to
> > give this a shot though...
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Dave Watts]

> It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together.
> What is that the case?

Probably because they do the same thing, with the same sort of files,
etc. You can install as many copies of Eclipse as you need, if you
want to use CFEclipse for some things and ColdFusion Builder for
others. This shouldn't really be too surprising, as ColdFusion Builder
is intended to be used instead of CFEclipse.

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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

Yes, I definitely don't want to lose SVN, so it'll have to be installed
as a plug-in to Eclipse, if CFBuilder doesn't do SVN, itself.

So is anyone successfully using CFEclipse and CFBuilder in the same Eclipse
install?

It's really annoying that they can't both be installed together.
What is that the case?


-Original Message-
From: Cutter (ColdFusion) [mailto:cold.fus...@cutterscrossing.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:56 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


Personal experience has been that installing as a plugin, rather than as 
a standalone, has allowed me greater flexibility when I wanted to flesh 
out my environment by including subclipse, etc.

Steve "Cutter" Blades
Adobe Certified Professional
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer

Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS"
http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book
_
http://blog.cutterscrossing.com


On 7/15/2009 10:42 AM, Casey Dougall wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth
> wrote:
>
>
>> So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the Eclipse
>> plugin?
>>
>>  
>
>
> Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user. Going
to
> give this a shot though...
>
>
> 



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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Cutter (ColdFusion)]

Personal experience has been that installing as a plugin, rather than as 
a standalone, has allowed me greater flexibility when I wanted to flesh 
out my environment by including subclipse, etc.

Steve "Cutter" Blades
Adobe Certified Professional
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer

Co-Author of "Learning Ext JS"
http://www.packtpub.com/learning-ext-js/book
_
http://blog.cutterscrossing.com


On 7/15/2009 10:42 AM, Casey Dougall wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth
> wrote:
>
>
>> So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the Eclipse
>> plugin?
>>
>>  
>
>
> Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user. Going to
> give this a shot though...
>
>
> 

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Casey Dougall]

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:

>
> So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the Eclipse
> plugin?
>


Not exactly sure. Seems to be, but I was never a big eclipse user. Going to
give this a shot though...


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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

So, as far as you know, the stand-alone works exactly like the Eclipse
plugin?


-Original Message-
From: Casey Dougall [mailto:ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:34 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:

>
> thanks for the link, George...
>
> Speaking of Bolt...when I tried to install it into my existing Eclipse
> setup,
> I get a message that I couldn't install it (or that it may not work
> properly)
> with CFEclipse installed.
>
> Do I need to setup another installation of Eclipse in order to test Bolt?
> or rather, ColdFusion Builder?
>
> Rick
>


Standalone on windows 7 64bit worked ok... didn't try the eclipse plugin
version...

Also, I didn't notice anything about a cutoff window or anything where they
would require purchasing Coldfusion Builder.

Is this going to be free?

C.




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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Casey Dougall]

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:

>
> thanks for the link, George...
>
> Speaking of Bolt...when I tried to install it into my existing Eclipse
> setup,
> I get a message that I couldn't install it (or that it may not work
> properly)
> with CFEclipse installed.
>
> Do I need to setup another installation of Eclipse in order to test Bolt?
> or rather, ColdFusion Builder?
>
> Rick
>


Standalone on windows 7 64bit worked ok... didn't try the eclipse plugin
version...

Also, I didn't notice anything about a cutoff window or anything where they
would require purchasing Coldfusion Builder.

Is this going to be free?

C.


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RE: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Rick Faircloth]

thanks for the link, George...

Speaking of Bolt...when I tried to install it into my existing Eclipse
setup,
I get a message that I couldn't install it (or that it may not work
properly)
with CFEclipse installed.

Do I need to setup another installation of Eclipse in order to test Bolt?
or rather, ColdFusion Builder?

Rick

-Original Message-
From: george.e...@ssa.gov george.e...@ssa.gov [mailto:george.e...@ssa.gov] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 11:16 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK


http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Adobe-Delivers-Beta-of-Cold
Fusion-9-and-ColdFusion-Builder-IDE-361260/?kc=EWKNLNAV07152009STR5

George 



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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Adam Haskell]

Wow Darryl really mailed it on that one. Let's just take a bunch of quotes
and string them together. Good job witting the article for him Adam.


Adam

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM, george.e...@ssa.gov george.e...@ssa.gov <
george.e...@ssa.gov> wrote:

>
>
> http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Adobe-Delivers-Beta-of-ColdFusion-9-and-ColdFusion-Builder-IDE-361260/?kc=EWKNLNAV07152009STR5
>
> George
>
> 

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Re: CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[Casey Dougall]

The real question is, will it make it to print!

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:15 AM, george.e...@ssa.gov george.e...@ssa.gov <
george.e...@ssa.gov> wrote:

>
>
> http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Adobe-Delivers-Beta-of-ColdFusion-9-and-ColdFusion-Builder-IDE-361260/?kc=EWKNLNAV07152009STR5
>
> George
>
> ~



The real question is, will it make it to print!
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CF9 and Bolt in eWEEK

[george.e...@ssa.gov george.e...@ssa.gov]

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Adobe-Delivers-Beta-of-ColdFusion-9-and-ColdFusion-Builder-IDE-361260/?kc=EWKNLNAV07152009STR5

George 

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Re: BOLT!

[Judah McAuley]

Not to mention that Visual Studio continues to be a fine IDE and seems
to be coping with C# as it gains a great deal more dynamic features
like lambda expressions, duck typing, etc. Still not sure how great
Bolt will be out of the gate but there are some decent IDEs out there
that they can take some cues from, so I'm cautiously optimistic.

Judah

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>
> I think this is a fairly closed minded view on things. No offense but if you
> look at other loosely typed dynamic languages like groovy the IDE support
> for it (IDEA) is very impressive.Or something slightly more close to
> ColdFusion like Ruby also has some very impressive support. That being said,
> this is the first gen IDE from Adobe, I wouldn't expect much more than
> cfEclipse. I'm not saying Adobe can't/won't deliver I just think having too
> high expectations for a First Gen product is irrsponsible to myself and not
> fair to a company.
>
>
> Adam

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Re: BOLT!

[Adam Haskell]

I think this is a fairly closed minded view on things. No offense but if you
look at other loosely typed dynamic languages like groovy the IDE support
for it (IDEA) is very impressive.Or something slightly more close to
ColdFusion like Ruby also has some very impressive support. That being said,
this is the first gen IDE from Adobe, I wouldn't expect much more than
cfEclipse. I'm not saying Adobe can't/won't deliver I just think having too
high expectations for a First Gen product is irrsponsible to myself and not
fair to a company.


Adam

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Dave Watts  wrote:

>
> > That, and the fact that the tools for other platforms/languages like
> Java, .Net
> > and Flex for that matter, run circles around the current CF IDE
> offerings.
>
> Well, I don't think that's going to change entirely. CF is different
> from Java, .NET and Flex, in that it's compiled when it's first run
> and it's loosely typed. The nice things (to me) about working in those
> other environments is that there is a distinct separation between
> compile time and run time, so my IDE can help me in ways that wouldn't
> be possible with a loosely-typed language that doesn't get compiled
> prior to runtime.
>
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Re: BOLT!

[Dave Watts]

> That, and the fact that the tools for other platforms/languages like Java, 
> .Net
> and Flex for that matter, run circles around the current CF IDE offerings.

Well, I don't think that's going to change entirely. CF is different
from Java, .NET and Flex, in that it's compiled when it's first run
and it's loosely typed. The nice things (to me) about working in those
other environments is that there is a distinct separation between
compile time and run time, so my IDE can help me in ways that wouldn't
be possible with a loosely-typed language that doesn't get compiled
prior to runtime.

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Re: BOLT!

[Gerald Guido]

>>I'd have to do something terrible to you with Jell-O and a duck suite

There are ppl that would pay good money for something like that. US
Congressmen for instance.

But in all seriousness. I asked Sharad Kumar Kiri, practically begged
(twice), if I could get in on some hot steamy Bolt prerelease action. I was
told, basically: No.

Personally I am looking forward to Bolt *much* more than I am CF 9. Given my
cognitive challenges; dyslexia and written language  disabilities (i.e.
spelling) to the tune of 3 std. deviations ... (for the statistically
challenged, that is the technical term for "Freakin Ass Load"), I am fairly
IDE dependent. That, and the fact that the tools for other
platforms/languages like Java, .Net and Flex for that matter, run circles
around the current CF IDE offerings. I always feel the need to applogise to
Mark Drew every time I say stuff like that. Sorry dude. ;o).

But yeah... I am CHOMPING AT THE BIT to get my mitts on that fun nugget.

G!

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Mark Kruger wrote:

>
> We have one copy running in house... Can't say more or I'd have to do
> something terrible to you with Jell-O and a duck suite. (I didn't want to
> be
> clichéd :)
>
> -Mk



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Re: BOLT!

[Rick Faircloth]

Thanks, Mark and Alan, for some word on the issue!

Rick

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Mark Kruger wrote:

>
> We have one copy running in house... Can't say more or I'd have to do
> something terrible to you with Jell-O and a duck suite. (I didn't want to
> be
> clichéd :)
>
> -Mk
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Rother [mailto:alan.rot...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:28 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Re: BOLT!
>
>
> I'm probably going to get in trouble for this.. but I can tell you with
> absolute certainty, the public beta has not been released yet. Very few
> people outside of Adobe have gotten their hands on Bolt yet. Be patient,
> when it's ready they'll open it up to the public beta.
>
> The only reason I'm saying this is I know your pain... Waiting for
> something
> super cool like this is a killer.. especially when you don't hear anything
> one way or the other...
>
>
> =]
>
> --
> Alan Rother
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Manager, Phoenix Cold
> Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org
>
>
>
>
> 

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FW: BOLT!

[Mark Kruger]

Shouldn't that be "suit" ... What's a duck suite anyway? Some kind of
wetland litigation no doubt. 

-mk
-Original Message-
From: Mark Kruger [mailto:mkru...@cfwebtools.com]
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:34 AM
To: 'cf-talk@houseoffusion.com'
Subject: RE: BOLT!

We have one copy running in house... Can't say more or I'd have to do
something terrible to you with Jell-O and a duck suite. (I didn't want to be
clichéd :)

-Mk

-Original Message-
From: Alan Rother [mailto:alan.rot...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:28 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: BOLT!


I'm probably going to get in trouble for this.. but I can tell you with
absolute certainty, the public beta has not been released yet. Very few
people outside of Adobe have gotten their hands on Bolt yet. Be patient,
when it's ready they'll open it up to the public beta.

The only reason I'm saying this is I know your pain... Waiting for something
super cool like this is a killer.. especially when you don't hear anything
one way or the other...


=]

--
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Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Manager, Phoenix Cold
Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org




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RE: BOLT!

[Mark Kruger]

We have one copy running in house... Can't say more or I'd have to do
something terrible to you with Jell-O and a duck suite. (I didn't want to be
clichéd :)

-Mk

-Original Message-
From: Alan Rother [mailto:alan.rot...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:28 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: BOLT!


I'm probably going to get in trouble for this.. but I can tell you with
absolute certainty, the public beta has not been released yet. Very few
people outside of Adobe have gotten their hands on Bolt yet. Be patient,
when it's ready they'll open it up to the public beta.

The only reason I'm saying this is I know your pain... Waiting for something
super cool like this is a killer.. especially when you don't hear anything
one way or the other...


=]

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Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Manager, Phoenix Cold
Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org




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Re: BOLT!

[Alan Rother]

I'm probably going to get in trouble for this.. but I can tell you
with absolute certainty, the public beta has not been released yet. Very few
people outside of Adobe have gotten their hands on Bolt yet. Be patient,
when it's ready they'll open it up to the public beta.

The only reason I'm saying this is I know your pain... Waiting for something
super cool like this is a killer.. especially when you don't hear anything
one way or the other...


=]

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Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org


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Re: BOLT!

[Wil Genovese]

Adam Lehman posted somewhere, about a month ago, a brief update.  Since Bolt
is not start on the same dev cycle as the next CF version it is not as fully
developed yet. They are working hard to get it up to speed.

I suspect they are really hoping to release it a the same time the release
the next version of CF, but I do not know that.

Wil



On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:

>
> I applied a long time ago and haven't heard anything as of yet either.
>
> Eric
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Jose Diaz  wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I have applied to Adobe for the Bolt beta but not heard a peep. Has
> anybody
> > had any news on when we can get to play with the new shiney toy?
> >
> > Jose Diaz
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: BOLT!

[Eric Roberts]

I applied a long time ago and haven't heard anything as of yet either.

Eric

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Jose Diaz  wrote:

>
> Hello All,
>
> I have applied to Adobe for the Bolt beta but not heard a peep. Has anybody
> had any news on when we can get to play with the new shiney toy?
>
> Jose Diaz
>
>
> 

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Re: BOLT!

[Eric Cobb]

I don't think Bolt has gone into Beta yet.  Doesn't Adobe usually do a 
big announcement when a product's Beta testing starts?  (They certainly 
did with Flex 3!)  It's my understanding that right now they're just 
allowing people to put their name on the list for when it finally does 
go into Beta.

All they say on Labs is "BETA APPLICATIONS NOW BEING ACCEPTED!".  It 
doesn't say the Beta has started.
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Bolt


Thanks,

Eric Cobb
Certified Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
http://www.cfgears.com


Jose Diaz wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> I have applied to Adobe for the Bolt beta but not heard a peep. Has anybody
> had any news on when we can get to play with the new shiney toy?
> 
> Jose Diaz
> 
> 
> 

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RE: BOLT!

[Andy Matthews]

Several of my coworkers were overheard talking about being on the Bolt beta
months ago. I'm pretty sure the beta's been out since like Jan or Feb.


andy 

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:16 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: BOLT!


Hi, Jose...

I applied for beta participation, too, but was apparently turned down.
I also expected news from Adobe sooner than this.
Disappointed so far...

Rick

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Jose Diaz  wrote:

>
> Hello All,
>
> I have applied to Adobe for the Bolt beta but not heard a peep. Has 
> anybody had any news on when we can get to play with the new shiney toy?
>
> Jose Diaz
>
>
> 



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Re: BOLT!

[Rob Parkhill]

I think that there are a bunch of people in that boat, who applied and have
not been notified...
Rob

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote:

>
> Hi, Jose...
>
> I applied for beta participation, too, but was apparently turned down.
> I also expected news from Adobe sooner than this.
> Disappointed so far...
>
> Rick
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Jose Diaz  wrote:
>
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I have applied to Adobe for the Bolt beta but not heard a peep. Has
> anybody
> > had any news on when we can get to play with the new shiney toy?
> >
> > Jose Diaz
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: BOLT!

[Rick Faircloth]

Hi, Jose...

I applied for beta participation, too, but was apparently turned down.
I also expected news from Adobe sooner than this.
Disappointed so far...

Rick

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Jose Diaz  wrote:

>
> Hello All,
>
> I have applied to Adobe for the Bolt beta but not heard a peep. Has anybody
> had any news on when we can get to play with the new shiney toy?
>
> Jose Diaz
>
>
> 

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Re: BOLT!

[Francois Levesque]

I also haven't received any news, but if it's anything like with other Adobe
NDA's anyone in the beta wouldn't be able to tell you that they are :P.
Francois Levesque
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On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Jose Diaz  wrote:

>
> Hello All,
>
> I have applied to Adobe for the Bolt beta but not heard a peep. Has anybody
> had any news on when we can get to play with the new shiney toy?
>
> Jose Diaz
>
>
> 

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BOLT!

[Jose Diaz]

Hello All,

I have applied to Adobe for the Bolt beta but not heard a peep. Has anybody
had any news on when we can get to play with the new shiney toy?

Jose Diaz


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Re: Adobe "Bolt" anyone?

[Eric Roberts]

Where...I even double checked it and didn't see anything the last time 
we had this discussion/comic dialogue...

Eric
Brian Kotek wrote:
> Actually, the Adobe NDA explicitly states that you cannot even admit the
> existence of the beta software, among numerous other things. I suggest you
> reread the NDA, because you just violated it.
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Eric Roberts <
> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> That is incorrect...I am on the CF9 alpha...there is nothing to stop one
>> from admitting they are on the alpha or the beta.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> 
>
>
> 

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Re: Adobe "Bolt" anyone?

[Gerald Guido]

Unbelievable. God forbid anyone get even the tiniest glimpse of the tools
that they use to make their living. For the love of what ever you believe
in, who here has read the terms of a prerelease or any other "click here to
accept" license? God forbid that the stewards of CF squander any more of its
monster market share by allowing people to even talk about the very
existence of the next version of CF or it's IDE. Especially when they
publicly, and proudly, announced the fact that they had twice the ppl enter
into beta testing of a "dead language"? It is not like Bolt will have
anything over any other IDE or coding tool out there. Seriously, can Adobe
pack six years of catch up ball (I am talking the nonexistance of a vender
supported dedicated IDE) into one year with the likes of MS Visual Studio,
Flex Builder, NetBeans, Eclipse, Aptana, Zend Studio or Komodo? If it does I
will order it on the spot.

Flame on,
G!



On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Wil Genovese  wrote:

> So if you know what the NDA says, then that must mean you've read the
> NDA and thus are part of an Abode prerelease program.  Does this mean
> you just violated your NDA by saying you read the NDA?  I'm just
> wondering.  Not that I have any knowledge of the NDA or if it even
> exists.
>
>
> Wil Genovese
>
> One man with courage makes a majority.
> -Andrew Jackson
>
> A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.
>
> On Jan 25, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Brian Kotek wrote:
>
> > Actually, the Adobe NDA explicitly states that you cannot even admit
> > the
> > existence of the beta software, among numerous other things. I
> > suggest you
> > reread the NDA, because you just violated it.
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Eric Roberts <
> > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
> >
> >> That is incorrect...I am on the CF9 alpha...there is nothing to
> >> stop one
> >> from admitting they are on the alpha or the beta.
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Adobe "Bolt" anyone?

[Wil Genovese]

So if you know what the NDA says, then that must mean you've read the  
NDA and thus are part of an Abode prerelease program.  Does this mean  
you just violated your NDA by saying you read the NDA?  I'm just  
wondering.  Not that I have any knowledge of the NDA or if it even  
exists.


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On Jan 25, 2009, at 5:53 PM, Brian Kotek wrote:

> Actually, the Adobe NDA explicitly states that you cannot even admit  
> the
> existence of the beta software, among numerous other things. I  
> suggest you
> reread the NDA, because you just violated it.
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Eric Roberts <
> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>> That is incorrect...I am on the CF9 alpha...there is nothing to  
>> stop one
>> from admitting they are on the alpha or the beta.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>
>
> 

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Re: Adobe "Bolt" anyone?

[Brian Kotek]

Actually, the Adobe NDA explicitly states that you cannot even admit the
existence of the beta software, among numerous other things. I suggest you
reread the NDA, because you just violated it.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:

> That is incorrect...I am on the CF9 alpha...there is nothing to stop one
> from admitting they are on the alpha or the beta.
>
> Eric
>
>


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Re: Adobe "Bolt" anyone?

[Judah McAuley]

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Gerald Guido  wrote:
>>>Poison dart flies in the window to Eric's house striking him in the nec
>
> Don't laugh... I violated the NDA *once*...  I told my GF during pillow talk
> that I was an alpha tester for ** (by accident, I swear) and the next
> thing I saw was Adam Lehman pointing a fully loaded version of CS4 at me
> saying "CFSCRIPT mother farker... do you speak it!!"
>
> Never again will I speak of such things.

To which hopefully you replied, "Yes, except for all tags you never
bothered writing cfscript functions for!"

I was violated by an NDA once...it was horrible.

/me goes to bed now

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Re: Adobe "Bolt" anyone?

[Gerald Guido]

>>Poison dart flies in the window to Eric's house striking him in the nec

Don't laugh... I violated the NDA *once*...  I told my GF during pillow talk
that I was an alpha tester for ** (by accident, I swear) and the next
thing I saw was Adam Lehman pointing a fully loaded version of CS4 at me
saying "CFSCRIPT mother farker... do you speak it!!"

Never again will I speak of such things.

G!

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Brad Wood  wrote:

> *Poison dart flies in the window to Eric's house striking him in the neck
> as
> he slumps lifelessly over his keyboard.*
>
> :)
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Eric Roberts" 
> To: "cf-talk" 
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Adobe "Bolt" anyone?
>
>
> > That is incorrect...I am on the CF9 alpha...there is nothing to stop one
> > from admitting they are on the alpha or the beta.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Adobe "Bolt" anyone?

[Brad Wood]

*Poison dart flies in the window to Eric's house striking him in the neck as 
he slumps lifelessly over his keyboard.*

:)

- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Roberts" 
To: "cf-talk" 
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: Adobe "Bolt" anyone?


> That is incorrect...I am on the CF9 alpha...there is nothing to stop one
> from admitting they are on the alpha or the beta.
>
> Eric
>
> 

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Re: Adobe "Bolt" anyone?

[Eric Roberts]

That is incorrect...I am on the CF9 alpha...there is nothing to stop one 
from admitting they are on the alpha or the beta.

Eric


Dawson, Michael wrote:
> You may never know.  If Bolt really does exist, and is in beta, the
> participants are probably bound by an NDA.
>
> The first rule of Adobe Prerelease is that you don't talk about Adobe
> Prerelease.
>
> mike 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] 
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:46 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: Adobe "Bolt" anyone?
>
> Anyone seen the beta of "Bolt", yet?
>
> Rick
>
> 

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Re: Adobe "Bolt" anyone?

[Eric Roberts]

Nope...I don;t think it is out yet.

Eric
Rick Faircloth wrote:
> Anyone seen the beta of "Bolt", yet?
>
> Rick
>
>
> 

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Re: Adobe "Bolt" anyone?

[Jochem van Dieten]

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:49 PM, John M Bliss wrote:
> Nope...but wasn't the rumor, "if one is in the beta program, one is not
> allowed to admit it?"

That rumor exists indeed. The actual text of Adobe NDA's for other
products is more like it forbids you to disclose any information about
the beta program / product, including its existence. So as soon as
Adobe confirms a beta program exists, people will be allowed to admit
they participate in that beta.

Until then we just have to keep a look out for stray desktop icons
when we meet somebody from Adobe. Anybody going to MAX Japan?

Jochem

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Re: Adobe "Bolt" anyone?

[Gerald Guido]

Nope I signed up bleams ago. The more I use Eclipse, Aptana and NetBeans
the more I anticipate Bolt. From what I have read (and speculate based on
using the above tools) I see bolt as an answer to my personal IDE wish list.
I also see the potential for the ORM auto-configuration and code generation
features to be a monster in productivity. Personally I can't wait to get my
grubby mitts on it.

G!


On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:49 PM, John M Bliss  wrote:

> Nope...but wasn't the rumor, "if one is in the beta program, one is not
> allowed to admit it?"
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Rick Faircloth
> wrote:
>
> > Anyone seen the beta of "Bolt", yet?
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: Adobe "Bolt" anyone?

[Michael Dinowitz]

Information about Bolt can be found here:
http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Bolt
There is a link to apply for the beta program when it is available. Other
than that, the NDA on Adobe alpha/beta programs restrict speaking about the
program.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:

> Anyone seen the beta of "Bolt", yet?
>
> Rick
>
>
> 

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Re: Adobe "Bolt" anyone?

[John M Bliss]

Nope...but wasn't the rumor, "if one is in the beta program, one is not
allowed to admit it?"

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Rick Faircloth
wrote:

> Anyone seen the beta of "Bolt", yet?
>
> Rick
>
>
> 

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RE: Adobe "Bolt" anyone?

[Dawson, Michael]

You may never know.  If Bolt really does exist, and is in beta, the
participants are probably bound by an NDA.

The first rule of Adobe Prerelease is that you don't talk about Adobe
Prerelease.

mike 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:46 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Adobe "Bolt" anyone?

Anyone seen the beta of "Bolt", yet?

Rick

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Adobe "Bolt" anyone?

[Rick Faircloth]

Anyone seen the beta of "Bolt", yet?

Rick


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Re: Adobe's CF IDE, "Bolt"

[Eric Cobb]

Actually, he just got a brand new, high-end HP laptop 3 or 4 weeks ago.

Cutter's right, it's all the porn.


Larry Lyons wrote:
>> No, Andy's Eclipse is always jacked up. I'm convinced, though, that it's 
>> a PEBKAC issue. Or he needs to stop looking at porn on his laptop;)
>>
>> Steve "Cutter" Blades
>> Adobe Certified Professional
>> Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
>>
> 
> I was thinking he needs to get a computer that wasn't build when flint knives 
> and stone arrowheads were cutting edge technology.
> 
> larry 
> 
> 

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Re: Adobe's CF IDE, "Bolt"

[Larry Lyons]

>No, Andy's Eclipse is always jacked up. I'm convinced, though, that it's 
>a PEBKAC issue. Or he needs to stop looking at porn on his laptop;)
>
>Steve "Cutter" Blades
>Adobe Certified Professional
>Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
>

I was thinking he needs to get a computer that wasn't build when flint knives 
and stone arrowheads were cutting edge technology.

larry 

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