RE: billing
Chad, Speaking from fairly vast experience I would say the following: 1) Agree in advance on the rate. 2) Find a way to communicate these hours are racking up as it happens. The worst thing is to surprise them. You really want to work hard to communicate as the hours are worked so they have all the bad news up front. 3) If you break the rate down based on size or scope then make it based on advanced payment or immediate payment. We offer a reduced rate to customers who buy hours in advance and that has helped both our cash flow and our negotiating position tremendously. Sometimes we also offer a discount to paygo customers for immediate payment. The discount works out to a bit of a break off of our highest rate, but still less of a break than our block hours customers. -Mark Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Chad Gray [mailto:cg...@careyweb.com] Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:54 PM To: cf-talk Subject: billing Does anyone give price breaks for quantity of hours in a project? Usually I quote jobs, but this latest one they just said go do it and we have racked up 400+ hours and I think they are going to freak out when they see the bill. We have worked with the company many times in the past so I feel I have to keep my pricing similar to what we have billed before. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:322149 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: billing
A practice I usually do is invoice weekly on a project. I rarely do 'quoted' jobs anymore, however I do give a guesstimate if the client wants one. I don't have the relationship that you have with your client, but if you have racked up legitimate hours on a project, I would charge them full price. If you want to give them a 'forever' discounted rate, then you can discount the billing on the invoice, but let the client know what the original price was. I would not suggest discounting the billing, at least not until the client has asked for it, and given sufficient reason. William -Original Message- From: Chad Gray [mailto:cg...@careyweb.com] Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:54 AM To: cf-talk Subject: billing Does anyone give price breaks for quantity of hours in a project? Usually I quote jobs, but this latest one they just said go do it and we have racked up 400+ hours and I think they are going to freak out when they see the bill. We have worked with the company many times in the past so I feel I have to keep my pricing similar to what we have billed before. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:322151 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: billing
I've seen this for ongoing, monthly, recurring hours (only) where you'd auto-bill them for use-em-or-lose-em hours with a price structure something like: 4 hrs/month - $400 8 hrs/month - $720 16 hrs/month - $1280 etc ...with extra hours available as-needed @ the most expensive rate... On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Chad Gray cg...@careyweb.com wrote: Does anyone give price breaks for quantity of hours in a project? Usually I quote jobs, but this latest one they just said go do it and we have racked up 400+ hours and I think they are going to freak out when they see the bill. We have worked with the company many times in the past so I feel I have to keep my pricing similar to what we have billed before. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:322152 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: billing
Man...you're in a bit of a tough situation...I've been there myself. One thing you could do to reduce the freakout factor is offer to let them pay the bill in installments, i.e. half or a third at a time. -- Josh -Original Message- From: Chad Gray [mailto:cg...@careyweb.com] Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:54 AM To: cf-talk Subject: billing Does anyone give price breaks for quantity of hours in a project? Usually I quote jobs, but this latest one they just said go do it and we have racked up 400+ hours and I think they are going to freak out when they see the bill. We have worked with the company many times in the past so I feel I have to keep my pricing similar to what we have billed before. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:322153 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: billing
It depends on the value you provided. Is the program worth the $40,000 or so? Will they be making a lot of money off of it? If so, I wouldn't discount it after the fact. Do what you did on the previous projects.. that is what they are expecting. If the website doesn't appear elaborate, they are going to freak out seeing such a bill, but if it is obvious that it took a lot of work, there shouldn't be a problem. What I do in cases like this is send in weekly updates on what has been done, showing them what is accomplished to get feedback on it, and also tell them how many hours were put in so far.. So they can see if it starts to get out of hand.It is probably too late for you, but you could show them what you have so far and how many hours have been used, and tell them what needs to be done to finish the project, and offer to cut some features if they reached thier budget. Does anyone give price breaks for quantity of hours in a project? Usually I quote jobs, but this latest one they just said go do it and we have racked up 400+ hours and I think they are going to freak out when they see the bill. We have worked with the company many times in the past so I feel I have to keep my pricing similar to what we have billed before. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:322156 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: billing
Thanks for all the feedback. The original site was a $20k project in 2002. Now this redesign which is more complex is hitting the $40k range. I went back and looked closer at all the billing we have done in the past ( I was not in charge at that time of billing ) and I feel this new price is legitimate for the amount of labor we have in it. For these projects in the future I will be doing weekly billing... I have always liked to tell the customer that we wont bill them until the project is complete and they are absolutely happy with the result according to the quote we provide. I kind of got in that mindset and did not want to charge them until the project was done. Thanks! Learned my lesson. -Original Message- From: Al Musella, DPM [mailto:muse...@virtualtrials.com] Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:49 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: billing It depends on the value you provided. Is the program worth the $40,000 or so? Will they be making a lot of money off of it? If so, I wouldn't discount it after the fact. Do what you did on the previous projects.. that is what they are expecting. If the website doesn't appear elaborate, they are going to freak out seeing such a bill, but if it is obvious that it took a lot of work, there shouldn't be a problem. What I do in cases like this is send in weekly updates on what has been done, showing them what is accomplished to get feedback on it, and also tell them how many hours were put in so far.. So they can see if it starts to get out of hand.It is probably too late for you, but you could show them what you have so far and how many hours have been used, and tell them what needs to be done to finish the project, and offer to cut some features if they reached thier budget. Does anyone give price breaks for quantity of hours in a project? Usually I quote jobs, but this latest one they just said go do it and we have racked up 400+ hours and I think they are going to freak out when they see the bill. We have worked with the company many times in the past so I feel I have to keep my pricing similar to what we have billed before. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:322157 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: billing
In the case of 'no pay until complete', the situation has arisen in the past where the concept of 'complete' was at issue. We worked it out well, and both of us got good on the deal, but hopefully mentioning this will work as a word of caution... Clients don't always know the 'ins and outs' of our business, so their terminology tends to differ. (I recently have had the same functionality called different things in a meeting - modal window, ajax exploder, grayedout popup window..., just as an example). The differences between 'not complete' and 'additional functionality' is an area where some customers don't see the difference. Part of our jobs with customers like this is not only to protect ourselves with policies that make sense, is also to help educate the client. I have worked with people who require a portion up front before getting started, sometimes with 'milestones' for the next portion of the money. I have worked with people who start on a hand-shake. I have worked with people who invoice periodically (like I do). The most important thing is to do things in a way that makes you feel fiscally protected and the client understands/accepts. If you do things on a 'special' basis to win a client over, make sure that the 'special' method is an introductory thing and that in the future they will adhere to your current methodology. Be careful. As there are many supposed programmers out there that will take a client's money and never produce any results, there are many client's out there that will take your productivity and refuse to pay you for your work, sending you to a lawyer to recover your fees. Stay tuned for my next rant, 'Make it a practice to develop on your own servers' William -Original Message- From: Chad Gray [mailto:cg...@careyweb.com] Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:06 PM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: billing Thanks for all the feedback. The original site was a $20k project in 2002. Now this redesign which is more complex is hitting the $40k range. I went back and looked closer at all the billing we have done in the past ( I was not in charge at that time of billing ) and I feel this new price is legitimate for the amount of labor we have in it. For these projects in the future I will be doing weekly billing... I have always liked to tell the customer that we wont bill them until the project is complete and they are absolutely happy with the result according to the quote we provide. I kind of got in that mindset and did not want to charge them until the project was done. Thanks! Learned my lesson. -Original Message- From: Al Musella, DPM [mailto:muse...@virtualtrials.com] Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:49 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: billing ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:322163 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Billing timer application - Was: Tinymce file manager
Is there a need for a hour/project tracking application? I've created an outline on: http://www.aftershockweb.net/forums/messages.cfm/ThreadId/47 The project I am thinking of rewriting and making free is an application I wrote years ago as a time tracker using Dreamweaver UltraDev (gag, cough, argh). Needless to say, the code is very ugly and buggy (I've been too lazy to fix it), but it tracks billing hours, creates a pdf billable hours report, stores project settings such as URLs, data source info, user name/passwords, and more. It has helped my billing process a TON! I was wondering if this would be an application others would be interested in, and if so what features would you want? I was going to post the current features, but the list it too long. You can view the list at: http://www.aftershockweb. net/forums/messages.cfm/ThreadId/47 ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:216738 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Billing timer application - Was: Tinymce file manager
Stan, if you could get imports into Quickbooks on that baby, you'd have our business! Stan Winchester wrote: Rick, Thank you and you're very Welcome!!! I am hoping to be to soon offer free software too. I've just released another beta version of the Aftershock Forum (see: http://www.aftershockweb.net/forums/) and hopefully it will and a couple of other projects I'm working on help pay the bills. The project I am thinking of rewriting and making free is an application I wrote years ago as a time tracker using Dreamweaver UltraDev (gag, cough, argh). Needless to say, the code is very ugly and buggy (I've been too lazy to fix it), but it tracks billing hours, creates a pdf billable hours report, stores project settings such as URLs, data source info, user name/passwords, and more. It has helped my billing process a TON! I was wondering if this would be an application others would be interested in, and if so what features would you want? I was going to post the current features, but the list it too long. You can view the list at: http://www.aftershockweb.net/forums/messages.cfm/ThreadId/47 Stan Stan Winchester wrote: Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for. It works VERY nicely! Thanks ;) - Rick Root ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:216562 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Billing timer application - Was: Tinymce file manager
The URL broke, try this instead: http://www.aftershockweb.net/forums/conferences.cfm click on Aftershock Billable Hours then Feature Requests Rick, Thank you and you're very Welcome!!! I am hoping to be to soon offer free software too. I've just released another beta version of the Aftershock Forum (see: http://www. aftershockweb.net/forums/) and hopefully it will and a couple of other projects I'm working on help pay the bills. The project I am thinking of rewriting and making free is an application I wrote years ago as a time tracker using Dreamweaver UltraDev (gag, cough, argh). Needless to say, the code is very ugly and buggy (I've been too lazy to fix it), but it tracks billing hours, creates a pdf billable hours report, stores project settings such as URLs, data source info, user name/passwords, and more. It has helped my billing process a TON! I was wondering if this would be an application others would be interested in, and if so what features would you want? I was going to post the current features, but the list it too long. You can view the list at: http://www.aftershockweb. net/forums/messages.cfm/ThreadId/47 Stan Stan Winchester wrote: Thanks, that is exactly what I was looking for. It works VERY nicely! Thanks ;) - Rick Root ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:216563 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Billing timer application - Was: Tinymce file manager
What I do in Quickbook is very simple. Under Item is usually select Programming or Consulting. In Description I reference the billable hours pdf file generated by the billing timer application. Enter the qty and rate as shown on the pdf and I'm done. My cpa has never complained, and it making billings fast and easy. Stan Stan, if you could get imports into Quickbooks on that baby, you'd have our business! Stan Winchester wrote: ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:216564 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Billing timer application - Was: Tinymce file manager
Actually we my son wrote a routine for connecting Quickbooks over https to/from a CF app. I should talk to him about this. Stan, if you could get imports into Quickbooks on that baby, you'd have our business! Stan Winchester wrote: ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:216566 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Billing App Help
If anyone's got some clever tips, I'd love to hear them. Finances is not an arena that I'm very familiar with, so I'm in a little over my head. My clever tip, to the extent that you can call it one, is to hire an application developer who's also an accountant as a consultant. I really think it can make a world of difference with projects like these. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ phone: 202-797-5496 fax: 202-797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
RE: Billing System Query Help
Do you have link (foreign key) columns? With what you have here I am not sure how you would write a join. Also what db?It matters :) -- Timothy Heald Web Portfolio Manager Diplomatic Security U.S. Department of State 571.345.2319 The opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of the U.S. Department of State or any affiliated organization(s).Nor have these opinions been approved or sanctioned by these organizations. This e-mail is unclassified based on the definitions in E.O. 12958. -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 5:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Billing System Query Help The following is a simplification of an invoice/payment tracking database: Invoices - InvoiceIDINT CustomerName VARCHAR InvoiceItems - InvoiceItemID INT ItemAmountCURRENCY InvoicePayments - InvoicePaymentID INT PaymentAmountCURRENCY I need a query to do the following: Find all invoices where the total payments are not equal to the invoice total (line item total), and find the difference, which is the amount due on the invoice (occasionally overpayment). Invoice #CustomerTotalPaid Due -- -- - - 1245 Bob Jones450.25 300.00 150.25 1278 Norm Stanley2295.00 100.001295.00 _ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Billing System Query Help
- Original Message - From: Heald, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 3:47 PM Subject: RE: Billing System Query Help Do you have link (foreign key) columns? With what you have here I am not sure how you would write a join. Also what db?It matters :) Doh... yeah, I guess I forgot something. :)It's MySQL 3. Invoices - InvoiceIDPK INT CustomerName VARCHAR InvoiceItems - InvoiceItemID PK INT InvoiceIDFK INT ItemAmountCURRENCY InvoicePayments - InvoicePaymentID PK INT InvoiceIDFK INT PaymentAmountCURRENCY [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: Billing Advertisers
While the below link has provided some great information on advertising standards I still need numbers. I have been working on redesigning our website (http://www.seacrets.com) and several organizations have approached us about advertising on the site. We have never offered advertising in the past, but it makes sense for us to offer this product as the site generates an extreme amount of traffic but currently generates next to no income by itself other than as a marketing tool (I've temporarily removed the shopping cart for the Boutique since I'm redesigning it.) Can anyone provide me with what they may be asking? Even if it's off list? Any help is greatly appreciated. Cutter Eric Dawson wrote: Internet Advertising - checkout http://www.iab.net/ http://www.iab.net/standards/adunits.asp From: Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Billing Advertisers Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:58:28 -0500 Sorry, just realized my response went a bit OT on what you originally asked for, but an addition to phpMyAds is that it shows you common sizes, common practices, etc. It's difficult to gauge a range of rates without knowing the traffic, the target audience, etc. I'd recommend scoping the competition and see if you can figure out what they're doing. Best, Russ -Original Message- From: Cutter (CF-Talk)2 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 4:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Billing Advertisers Our organization has come to me saying that they now want to begin selling advertising space on our site. The only item of which we truly agree is that we will not allow pop-ads. My question is this, are there other standard options to web advertising other that the banner/click-through pricing schemas? Where could I find information on what might be good rates to charge? etc. Any help is greatly appreciated. Cutter ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Billing Advertisers
P.S. Don't look at the ugly site that's up there now. The new ones not up and I never would have done something like that (but my boss did). Cutter Cutter (CF-Talk) wrote: While the below link has provided some great information on advertising standards I still need numbers. I have been working on redesigning our website (http://www.seacrets.com) and several organizations have approached us about advertising on the site. We have never offered advertising in the past, but it makes sense for us to offer this product as the site generates an extreme amount of traffic but currently generates next to no income by itself other than as a marketing tool (I've temporarily removed the shopping cart for the Boutique since I'm redesigning it.) Can anyone provide me with what they may be asking? Even if it's off list? Any help is greatly appreciated. Cutter Eric Dawson wrote: Internet Advertising - checkout http://www.iab.net/ http://www.iab.net/standards/adunits.asp From: Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Billing Advertisers Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:58:28 -0500 Sorry, just realized my response went a bit OT on what you originally asked for, but an addition to phpMyAds is that it shows you common sizes, common practices, etc. It's difficult to gauge a range of rates without knowing the traffic, the target audience, etc. I'd recommend scoping the competition and see if you can figure out what they're doing. Best, Russ -Original Message- From: Cutter (CF-Talk)2 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 4:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Billing Advertisers Our organization has come to me saying that they now want to begin selling advertising space on our site. The only item of which we truly agree is that we will not allow pop-ads. My question is this, are there other standard options to web advertising other that the banner/click-through pricing schemas? Where could I find information on what might be good rates to charge? etc. Any help is greatly appreciated. Cutter ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: Billing Advertisers
Sorry was in a bit of a rush yesterday. I am quite far from being an expert on the topic, but have thoughts on Internet advertising. ... internet advertising. I have heard of rates as low as $0.50 to $2.00 cpm. but other people talk about the $100 cpm they get. (yeah right) my ad model (not really implemented) is to separate inventory into three pieces (1) Sponsorships (2) Premium Ad spots (3) General Rotation spots I decide an amount I think is easy to sell - say $25 per month, decide what a fair CPM rate is for the inventory. $6.25 cpm for example == approx 4000 impressions. I divide my monthly inventory by the 4000 impressions to get a number of monthly ad spots to sell. I have one site which does more than 200k page view per month. - by my formula I have room for 50 advertisers @ $25 per month. $1250 per month. Once I get the advertisers going they have acccess to the premium inventory and sponsorship spots available throughout the site. On the premium spots (behind logins where you know a little about the person viewing the site, content specific pages, or high visibility pages) I would try to get $25cpm for those spots or even auction off to the existing advertisers. sponsorships I use on a cost+/project basis - and I might use the revenue to pay for domain registrations, hosting considerations, content gathering etc. just some ideas. hth. eric From: Cutter (CF-Talk) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Billing Advertisers Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:49:40 -0400 P.S. Don't look at the ugly site that's up there now. The new ones not up and I never would have done something like that (but my boss did). Cutter Cutter (CF-Talk) wrote: While the below link has provided some great information on advertising standards I still need numbers. I have been working on redesigning our website (http://www.seacrets.com) and several organizations have approached us about advertising on the site. We have never offered advertising in the past, but it makes sense for us to offer this product as the site generates an extreme amount of traffic but currently generates next to no income by itself other than as a marketing tool (I've temporarily removed the shopping cart for the Boutique since I'm redesigning it.) Can anyone provide me with what they may be asking? Even if it's off list? Any help is greatly appreciated. Cutter Eric Dawson wrote: Internet Advertising - checkout http://www.iab.net/ http://www.iab.net/standards/adunits.asp From: Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Billing Advertisers Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:58:28 -0500 Sorry, just realized my response went a bit OT on what you originally asked for, but an addition to phpMyAds is that it shows you common sizes, common practices, etc. It's difficult to gauge a range of rates without knowing the traffic, the target audience, etc. I'd recommend scoping the competition and see if you can figure out what they're doing. Best, Russ -Original Message- From: Cutter (CF-Talk)2 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 4:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Billing Advertisers Our organization has come to me saying that they now want to begin selling advertising space on our site. The only item of which we truly agree is that we will not allow pop-ads. My question is this, are there other standard options to web advertising other that the banner/click-through pricing schemas? Where could I find information on what might be good rates to charge? etc. Any help is greatly appreciated. Cutter _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Billing Advertisers
http://php.melchior.us/ Grab phpMyAds; it's the best I've seen for the way to manage either multiple types of banners and their runs, as well as multiple sites. I've worked for a few companies that hired external resources to manage all of the banners, etc. (because they sold them, as well) and phpMyAds allows you to do just about everything yourself that you can think of. I can't stand behind this product enough, to be flat out honest with you. It's a bit difficult up front to get your arms around, but once you do, you're golden. Best, Russ -Original Message- From: Cutter (CF-Talk)2 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 4:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Billing Advertisers Our organization has come to me saying that they now want to begin selling advertising space on our site. The only item of which we truly agree is that we will not allow pop-ads. My question is this, are there other standard options to web advertising other that the banner/click-through pricing schemas? Where could I find information on what might be good rates to charge? etc. Any help is greatly appreciated. Cutter ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Billing Advertisers
Sorry, just realized my response went a bit OT on what you originally asked for, but an addition to phpMyAds is that it shows you common sizes, common practices, etc. It's difficult to gauge a range of rates without knowing the traffic, the target audience, etc. I'd recommend scoping the competition and see if you can figure out what they're doing. Best, Russ -Original Message- From: Cutter (CF-Talk)2 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 4:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Billing Advertisers Our organization has come to me saying that they now want to begin selling advertising space on our site. The only item of which we truly agree is that we will not allow pop-ads. My question is this, are there other standard options to web advertising other that the banner/click-through pricing schemas? Where could I find information on what might be good rates to charge? etc. Any help is greatly appreciated. Cutter ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Billing Advertisers
Take a look at the Google adwords program, you can see how it is priced and such without having to sign up. Obviously, adjust your rates as appropriate but the overall program is fairly easy to understand and might be a good starting point. Matt -Original Message- From: Cutter (CF-Talk)2 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 5:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Billing Advertisers Our organization has come to me saying that they now want to begin selling advertising space on our site. The only item of which we truly agree is that we will not allow pop-ads. My question is this, are there other standard options to web advertising other that the banner/click-through pricing schemas? Where could I find information on what might be good rates to charge? etc. Any help is greatly appreciated. Cutter ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Billing Advertisers
Internet Advertising - checkout http://www.iab.net/ http://www.iab.net/standards/adunits.asp From: Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Billing Advertisers Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:58:28 -0500 Sorry, just realized my response went a bit OT on what you originally asked for, but an addition to phpMyAds is that it shows you common sizes, common practices, etc. It's difficult to gauge a range of rates without knowing the traffic, the target audience, etc. I'd recommend scoping the competition and see if you can figure out what they're doing. Best, Russ -Original Message- From: Cutter (CF-Talk)2 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 4:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Billing Advertisers Our organization has come to me saying that they now want to begin selling advertising space on our site. The only item of which we truly agree is that we will not allow pop-ads. My question is this, are there other standard options to web advertising other that the banner/click-through pricing schemas? Where could I find information on what might be good rates to charge? etc. Any help is greatly appreciated. Cutter ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Billing Accounting Inventory Management
Depends on the price point. If you're truly talking Peach Tree or Quickbooks, no. If price is not the main concern, you might check out Sage Software's Acuity. It's based on COM Component architecture with a SQL Server 7 backend. That might be suitable for integration but the cost is high. Regards, Neil ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Billing Accounting Inventory Management
We have used DBA http://www.dbasoftware.com with CF. Hope this Helps RL Smith eDreamStudio.com - Original Message - From: "Gil Levy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 7:27 PM Subject: Billing Accounting Inventory Management Does any one know any application like quick books or peach tree billing accounting and inventory management application that can be integrated to a an ecommerce web site using CF with SQL Thanx, Gil. Gil D. Levy ECommercePartners.net Corp. 57 West 38 Street. Suite 300 New York, NY 10018 Phone 212.840.2900 Ext. 242 Fax 503.218.5585 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://www.ecommercepartners.net Http://www.001design.com ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
