Re: cfdot.net (was: CF vs. ASP.Net)

2010-06-23 Thread Jose Diaz 

Hi Jordan,

Many thanks for the feedback :) :)

I'm really happy that peeps are finding it useful - It was very much an
early dotnet project for me and done over a few days so is very very rough
in places.

I really need to tidy it up and also move the functions under the function
accordion section ;)

I also want to break sections up to highlight versions of CF to add all the
new CF9 code comparisons etc.

Thanks,

Jose

Jose Diaz-Salcedo
www.cfdot.net

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:15 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey chumph...@gmail.comwrote:


  Im not trying to nitpick, I only noticed them (except for Coldfusion...
 that
  usually stands out to me) because I sent the link to my colleagues along
  with the text from the home page as a description for the link.

 Two things that bug me -

 1. It's C# which is one code-behind language for .NET.  I have yet to
 have someone give me a quantifiable performance-based reason why it
 better than other languages in the family.

 2. The .NET version does not include the ASP.NET http://asp.net/
 part of the
 equation.  For example:
 http://www.cfdot.net/cfdot/Pages/CodeDetail.aspx?id=7 (CFOutput) the
 .NET code is simply setting the .Text property of a text box.  Where's
 the creation of the object?

 It's a great concept but as implemented it only confuses the whole CF
 vs .NET conversation.

 Hatton

 

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RE: cfdot.net (was: CF vs. ASP.Net)

2010-06-23 Thread Paul Alkema 

@Jose,
I think that cfdot.net looks excellent. Thank you for doing this for both
the CF and ASP.NET community's.

@hatton,
I prefer C# over Visual Basic because of two reasons.

1. C# Has More Jobs available
a.
http://www.careerbuilder.com/Jobseeker/Jobs/JobResults.aspx?SB%3Asbkw=C%23 -
2,399 jobs found
b.
http://www.careerbuilder.com/Jobseeker/Jobs/JobResults.aspx?SB%3Asbkw=Visual
+Basic - 1,568 jobs found

2. On average C# developers make more money.
a. http://www.indeed.com/salary/VB-Net-Developer.html
b. http://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=C%23+Developer


Paul Alkema
http://paulalkema.com/


-Original Message-
From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:16 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: cfdot.net (was: CF vs. ASP.Net)


 Im not trying to nitpick, I only noticed them (except for Coldfusion...
that
 usually stands out to me) because I sent the link to my colleagues along
 with the text from the home page as a description for the link.

Two things that bug me -

1. It's C# which is one code-behind language for .NET.  I have yet to
have someone give me a quantifiable performance-based reason why it
better than other languages in the family.

2. The .NET version does not include the ASP.NET part of the
equation.  For example:
http://www.cfdot.net/cfdot/Pages/CodeDetail.aspx?id=7 (CFOutput) the
.NET code is simply setting the .Text property of a text box.  Where's
the creation of the object?

It's a great concept but as implemented it only confuses the whole CF
vs .NET conversation.

Hatton



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RE: cfdot.net (was: CF vs. ASP.Net)

2010-06-23 Thread Sebastiaan GMC van Dijk 

Maybe you should make it clear that the CFML-examples also work for Railo and 
Open Blue Dragon - hence you have three CFML-servers ;-)


Sebastiaan

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 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:49:37 +0100
 Subject: Re: cfdot.net (was: CF vs. ASP.Net)
 From: bleached...@gmail.com
 To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
 
 
 Hi Jordan,
 
 Many thanks for the feedback :) :)
 
 I'm really happy that peeps are finding it useful - It was very much an
 early dotnet project for me and done over a few days so is very very rough
 in places.
 
 I really need to tidy it up and also move the functions under the function
 accordion section ;)
 
 I also want to break sections up to highlight versions of CF to add all the
 new CF9 code comparisons etc.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jose
 
 Jose Diaz-Salcedo
 www.cfdot.net
 
 On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:15 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey 
 chumph...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 
   Im not trying to nitpick, I only noticed them (except for Coldfusion...
  that
   usually stands out to me) because I sent the link to my colleagues along
   with the text from the home page as a description for the link.
 
  Two things that bug me -
 
  1. It's C# which is one code-behind language for .NET.  I have yet to
  have someone give me a quantifiable performance-based reason why it
  better than other languages in the family.
 
  2. The .NET version does not include the ASP.NET http://asp.net/
  part of the
  equation.  For example:
  http://www.cfdot.net/cfdot/Pages/CodeDetail.aspx?id=7 (CFOutput) the
  .NET code is simply setting the .Text property of a text box.  Where's
  the creation of the object?
 
  It's a great concept but as implemented it only confuses the whole CF
  vs .NET conversation.
 
  Hatton
 
  
 
 

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Re: cfdot.net (was: CF vs. ASP.Net)

2010-06-23 Thread Matthew Small 

All language religion aside - it's not a fair comparison, it's biased towards 
CF. You should be more honest in your comparisons if you expect anyone to take 
it seriously.

Example:

CFEXECUTE:

CF:
cfexecute name=C:\WinNT\System32\netstat.exe 
/cfexecute


ASP.NET

01.using System; 
02.using System.Drawing; 
03.using System.Collections; 
04.using System.ComponentModel; 
05.using System.Windows.Forms; 
06.using System.Data; 
07.using System.Diagnostics; 
08. 
09.... 
10. 
11.//Declare and instantiate a new process component. 
12.System.Diagnostics.Process process1; 
13.process1= new System.Diagnostics.Process(); 
14.  
15.//Do not receive an event when the process exits. 
16.process1.EnableRaisingEvents = false; 
17.  
18.  
19.//The /C Tells Windows to Run The Command then Terminate  
20.string strCmdLine; 
21.strCmdLine = /C netstat ; 
22.System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(CMD.exe,strCmdLine); 
23.process1.Close(); 



All that is actually needed is:

System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(netstat.exe); 

All of the other stuff is extraneous.  The need for the using statements is 
negated by the fully-qualified name for the method.  The object process1 
isn't used at all for the actual execution.  Passing the netstat.exe executable 
to the cmd.exe process is ridiculous - you could do the same with CFEXECUTE. 
Adding in extra string arguments just builds up the amount of code you want to 
display. And FYI: this one line of code can be executed in the .aspx page:

% System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(netstat.exe) %

   There are numerous similar examples on your website. It's a dishonest 
misrepresentation.

- Matt Small






This is pretty sweet Jose.

Thanks for taking the time to create this site! An excellent resource 
indeed.

Warm regards,
Jordan Michaels
Vivio Technologies
http://www.viviotech.net/
Open BlueDragon Steering Committee
Railo Community Distributions

On 06/22/2010 06:47 AM, Jose Diaz wrote:
 


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Re: cfdot.net (was: CF vs. ASP.Net)

2010-06-23 Thread Jose Diaz 

Matthew you appear to have taken offence to my comparisons, I did not intend
to belittle .net in anyway. I will openly admit when I built the site and
added the comparisons over a year ago, I was new to .net. I am not biased
either over the past year and a half I have become a highly certified MCPD,
I admit I have been a CF developer for the past 10 years and love it but I
find .net equally as exciting ITS ALL WEB TO ME!

The aim of the site is to at the very least point either a CF or .net
developer in the right direction regarding a specific piece of
functionality.

The goal is to open up the barriers between the two languages, if you know
better ways of representing a particular piece of functionality just email
me and I will update the entry happily.

I honestly did not mean to annoy anyone, there is always more than one way
to achieve something. This is an academic free resource I'm all for learning
and sharing the knowledge ;)

Jose Diaz

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Matthew Small chestypul...@beachbum.netwrote:


 All language religion aside - it's not a fair comparison, it's biased
 towards CF. You should be more honest in your comparisons if you expect
 anyone to take it seriously.

 Example:

 CFEXECUTE:

 CF:
 cfexecute name=C:\WinNT\System32\netstat.exe
 /cfexecute


 ASP.NET http://asp.net/

 01.using System;
 02.using System.Drawing;
 03.using System.Collections;
 04.using System.ComponentModel;
 05.using System.Windows.Forms;
 06.using System.Data;
 07.using System.Diagnostics;
 08.
 09....
 10.
 11.//Declare and instantiate a new process component.
 12.System.Diagnostics.Process process1;
 13.process1= new System.Diagnostics.Process();
 14.
 15.//Do not receive an event when the process exits.
 16.process1.EnableRaisingEvents = false;
 17.
 18.
 19.//The /C Tells Windows to Run The Command then Terminate
 20.string strCmdLine;
 21.strCmdLine = /C netstat ;
 22.System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(CMD.exe,strCmdLine);
 23.process1.Close();



 All that is actually needed is:

 System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(netstat.exe);

 All of the other stuff is extraneous.  The need for the using statements
 is negated by the fully-qualified name for the method.  The object
 process1 isn't used at all for the actual execution.  Passing the
 netstat.exe executable to the cmd.exe process is ridiculous - you could do
 the same with CFEXECUTE. Adding in extra string arguments just builds up the
 amount of code you want to display. And FYI: this one line of code can be
 executed in the .aspx page:

 % System.Diagnostics.Process.Start(netstat.exe) %

   There are numerous similar examples on your website. It's a dishonest
 misrepresentation.

 - Matt Small






 This is pretty sweet Jose.
 
 Thanks for taking the time to create this site! An excellent resource
 indeed.
 
 Warm regards,
 Jordan Michaels
 Vivio Technologies
 http://www.viviotech.net/
 Open BlueDragon Steering Committee
 Railo Community Distributions
 
 On 06/22/2010 06:47 AM, Jose Diaz wrote:
 


 

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RE: cfdot.net (was: CF vs. ASP.Net)

2010-06-22 Thread Bobby Hartsfield 

Note that you spelled ColdFusion as Coldfusion on the home page. 

development knowledge from Coldfusion to C#.net and  
 
.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
Bobby Hartsfield
http://acoderslife.com
 
-Original Message-
From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:jor...@viviotech.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 5:48 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: cfdot.net (was: CF vs. ASP.Net)


This is pretty sweet Jose.

Thanks for taking the time to create this site! An excellent resource 
indeed.

Warm regards,
Jordan Michaels
Vivio Technologies
http://www.viviotech.net/
Open BlueDragon Steering Committee
Railo Community Distributions

On 06/22/2010 06:47 AM, Jose Diaz wrote:

 Hi Guys,

 Unfortunatly the company I work for decided to move away from CF :( and
 proceeded to get shot of all the cf devs we had.
 I was one of two survivors who they see as legacy application developers
grr
 even thou I decided to become an MCPD, they still see us a just CF devs.

 Anyhoo I did build the following site: www.cfdot.net which shows code
 comparisons for most of the common langauge syntax tasks.

 If anything it will show how CF achieves in one line what .net does in 10
;)
 (my little dig back heh)

 Jose

 On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Sean
Corfieldseancorfi...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Dave Wattsdwa...@figleaf.com  wrote:
 Well, there ya go, we got another 4 years to learn new languages...
 Adobe,
 way to set a bleak future for your own product!
 Adobe didn't write that, Gartner did. And overall, it's a pretty
 positive whitepaper.

 Particularly since Gartner has, in the past, been rather negative
 about ColdFusion...

 Nice to see that Gartner view the presence of established open-source
 alternatives to Adobe's ColdFusion as helping protect investment in
 CF technology.
 --
 Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
 Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/
 An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/

 If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive.
 -- Margaret Atwood



 



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RE: cfdot.net (was: CF vs. ASP.Net)

2010-06-22 Thread Bobby Hartsfield 

While you are in there, you might want to spell check the rest of the home
page :-)
 
Im not trying to nitpick, I only noticed them (except for Coldfusion... that
usually stands out to me) because I sent the link to my colleagues along
with the text from the home page as a description for the link.

Outlook barked at me when I hit send.

Cheers
 
.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
Bobby Hartsfield
http://acoderslife.com
 

-Original Message-
From: Bobby Hartsfield [mailto:bo...@acoderslife.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:10 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: cfdot.net (was: CF vs. ASP.Net)


Note that you spelled ColdFusion as Coldfusion on the home page. 

development knowledge from Coldfusion to C#.net and  
 
.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
Bobby Hartsfield
http://acoderslife.com
 
-Original Message-
From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:jor...@viviotech.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 5:48 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: cfdot.net (was: CF vs. ASP.Net)


This is pretty sweet Jose.

Thanks for taking the time to create this site! An excellent resource 
indeed.

Warm regards,
Jordan Michaels
Vivio Technologies
http://www.viviotech.net/
Open BlueDragon Steering Committee
Railo Community Distributions

On 06/22/2010 06:47 AM, Jose Diaz wrote:

 Hi Guys,

 Unfortunatly the company I work for decided to move away from CF :( and
 proceeded to get shot of all the cf devs we had.
 I was one of two survivors who they see as legacy application developers
grr
 even thou I decided to become an MCPD, they still see us a just CF devs.

 Anyhoo I did build the following site: www.cfdot.net which shows code
 comparisons for most of the common langauge syntax tasks.

 If anything it will show how CF achieves in one line what .net does in 10
;)
 (my little dig back heh)

 Jose

 On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Sean
Corfieldseancorfi...@gmail.comwrote:


 On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Dave Wattsdwa...@figleaf.com  wrote:
 Well, there ya go, we got another 4 years to learn new languages...
 Adobe,
 way to set a bleak future for your own product!
 Adobe didn't write that, Gartner did. And overall, it's a pretty
 positive whitepaper.

 Particularly since Gartner has, in the past, been rather negative
 about ColdFusion...

 Nice to see that Gartner view the presence of established open-source
 alternatives to Adobe's ColdFusion as helping protect investment in
 CF technology.
 --
 Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
 Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/
 An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/

 If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive.
 -- Margaret Atwood



 





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Re: cfdot.net (was: CF vs. ASP.Net)

2010-06-22 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey 

 Im not trying to nitpick, I only noticed them (except for Coldfusion... that
 usually stands out to me) because I sent the link to my colleagues along
 with the text from the home page as a description for the link.

Two things that bug me -

1. It's C# which is one code-behind language for .NET.  I have yet to
have someone give me a quantifiable performance-based reason why it
better than other languages in the family.

2. The .NET version does not include the ASP.NET part of the
equation.  For example:
http://www.cfdot.net/cfdot/Pages/CodeDetail.aspx?id=7 (CFOutput) the
.NET code is simply setting the .Text property of a text box.  Where's
the creation of the object?

It's a great concept but as implemented it only confuses the whole CF
vs .NET conversation.

Hatton

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