RE: asp vs. cf
Actually with a user base of 2000 people, performance is not an issue. I would suggest that development turnaround is more important. Any proficient developer will be able to deliver to similar timescales. What you need to examine is what your skill sets are, and how long you would need to take to deliver something. As you have not 'done' ASP. I would recommend that purely on a delivery timescale basis that CF is the way forward. Adam -Original Message- From: Carlisle, Eric [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject:RE: asp vs. cf The benchmarks I've seen favor PHP, then ASP, CF, then JSP. I'm curious to know if there are new comparitive benchmarks for CF5. From what I hear, there's a dramatic performance increase in CF5. Performance is very important, but try to not let that be the only concern. There are many good reasons why or why not to choose a particular middleware platform. EC -Original Message- From: Steven Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: asp vs. cf Thanks for all the input. My boss is looking for something a little more specific. Let's say for example that we have a set number of screens to develop, say 24 :). A third of them are for display purposes only, so now we're down to 16 screens that have input forms and such. When developing a form, both display and action what kind of time difference are we looking at between asp and cf? Also what kind of hardware are we looking at for a 2000 user application. More or less or same with cf or asp? -Original Message- From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: asp vs. cf Michael Is that chart upto date? Does it compare cf5 with the latest version of asp? Kola Oyedeji |Web Developer |ekeda elthorne gate |64 high street |pinner |middx |ha55qa t +44(208)429 7333 f +44(208)429 7339 |www.ekeda.co.uk -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 30 November 2001 14:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: asp vs. cf http://www.houseoffusion.com/hof/body/asp.cfm Its only been there for like 3 or 4 years. At 09:46 AM 11/30/01, you wrote: Ok..THIS time would someone plasseee take the responses and put them on a website somewhere..like Houseoffusion.com or something :) That would be most cool! I'll start off: You write more ASP code than you do in CF to perform the same tasks. App development in CF is a lot faster. -Gel -Original Message- From: Steven Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. Thanks, ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: asp vs. cf
Programming, in any language involves two key concepts: logic and syntax. Cold Fusion will teach you logic. But it does not teach you syntax. From that perspective, Cold Fusion tricks you into thinking you are a master programmer. I jump at the chance to program in ASP or JSP simply because it improves my own personal skills and, in turn, my marketability. I think of it as paid training. Yes, I bitch (to myself) the whole way through about how much easier it is with CF. But in the end, I am versatile. If the platform decision falls on my shoulders, then I recommend CF for all the reasons everyone else will tell you. But if someone else makes the decision, I am prepared. I guess in the end, it depends on what your own personal and professional goals are. But I personally, don't want to be bound by any one development platform. Steve, I disagree with you on the syntax part. Syntax is different in every language. Sure, some are similar, but there are still minor differences in those. I have been programming for 21 years now (Damn, I'm getting old). Once you learn and understand logic, learning Syntax is relatively simple. Brian Yager President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group Sr. Systems Analyst NCCIM/CIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: asp vs. cf
When I was in college one major thing that I learned was that syntax is fluid. The logic of how to do an IF or a LOOP or a CASE or mathematical formulas is what defines what a programmer is or is not. I personally learned that stuff with Pascal and CoCo BASIC. The same rules of programming logic also apply when working with electronics, only on a different level. Whether you learned the logical concepts from a scripting language (say, ColdFusion) or a higher-level language (oh, maybe C++, VB, etc) does not matter if you can take your understanding of those concepts from platform to another. In my opinion the definition of a true programmer is someone that only has to become familiar with the syntax of a language. .. and never forget our roots. Before the chip there were HUMAN computers, people who got paid to sit in little rooms and do the calculations we now tell bits of silicon to do. C. Hatton Humphrey, Developer Fisher, Towne Associates 716-839-2141 x336 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Programming, in any language involves two key concepts: logic and syntax. Cold Fusion will teach you logic. But it does not teach you syntax. From that perspective, Cold Fusion tricks you into thinking you are a master programmer. I jump at the chance to program in ASP or JSP simply because it improves my own personal skills and, in turn, my marketability. I think of it as paid training. Yes, I bitch (to myself) the whole way through about how much easier it is with CF. But in the end, I am versatile. If the platform decision falls on my shoulders, then I recommend CF for all the reasons everyone else will tell you. But if someone else makes the decision, I am prepared. I guess in the end, it depends on what your own personal and professional goals are. But I personally, don't want to be bound by any one development platform. Steve, I disagree with you on the syntax part. Syntax is different in every language. Sure, some are similar, but there are still minor differences in those. I have been programming for 21 years now (Damn, I'm getting old). Once you learn and understand logic, learning Syntax is relatively simple. ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: asp vs. cf
On 11/30/01, Steve Reich penned: You can be the world's greatest CF programmer, but if that's all you know, then you are severely limited in the services you can provide. I would even go as far to say that you're not *really* even a programmer. You are just a glorified software operator. (I am using 'you' collectively and not singling you out. It applies to all of us.) That's me. ColdFusion application Developer, Programmer, Operator, whatever you wish to call it. And I'm very happy as such. :) If I get a customer that requires something in ASP, I happily inform them that I don't do ASP. I took up CF 2 years ago and haven't had a moment's rest since. I guess if things ever slow down to where I can't pick up enough CF work to pay the bills I'll consider something else. But for now... -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: asp vs. cf
I guess if things ever slow down to where I can't pick up enough CF work to pay the bills I'll consider something else. But for now... Can I have a Amen!!! If one chooses to hinder him or herself with the time it takes to code in ASP,JSP,PHP etc etc, that is completely up to them. Coldfusion just happens to be a better language than those mentioned above, and with CF5 also faster!!! With CF6 being on a java platform, I cannot see no other language that will come close. Please tell me what admin features ASP,PHP,JSP has? Not really a programmer..Well I would stake a months salary to say that I could develop an application in CF that equeals what you can do and do it in half the time. Doug - Original Message - From: Bud [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 10:57 AM Subject: Re: asp vs. cf On 11/30/01, Steve Reich penned: You can be the world's greatest CF programmer, but if that's all you know, then you are severely limited in the services you can provide. I would even go as far to say that you're not *really* even a programmer. You are just a glorified software operator. (I am using 'you' collectively and not singling you out. It applies to all of us.) That's me. ColdFusion application Developer, Programmer, Operator, whatever you wish to call it. And I'm very happy as such. :) If I get a customer that requires something in ASP, I happily inform them that I don't do ASP. I took up CF 2 years ago and haven't had a moment's rest since. I guess if things ever slow down to where I can't pick up enough CF work to pay the bills I'll consider something else. But for now... -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: asp vs. cf
On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Bud wrote: That's me. ColdFusion application Developer, Programmer, Operator, whatever you wish to call it. And I'm very happy as such. :) If I get a customer that requires something in ASP, I happily inform them that I don't do ASP. I took up CF 2 years ago and haven't had a moment's rest since. I guess if things ever slow down to where I can't pick up enough CF work to pay the bills I'll consider something else. But for now... Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations Ouch. You'll be hurting sooner or later. Ignorance is NOT bliss when it comes to technology. ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: asp vs. cf
On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Douglas L. Brown wrote: Not really a programmer..Well I would stake a months salary to say that I could develop an application in CF that equeals what you can do and do it in half the time. If you are serious about this months salary I'll gladly take you up on it. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: asp vs. cf
Well I would be glad to, only if I knew how it would be judged. Obviously not on the word of the participants. Doug - Original Message - From: Alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 2:05 PM Subject: Re: asp vs. cf On Sat, 1 Dec 2001, Douglas L. Brown wrote: Not really a programmer..Well I would stake a months salary to say that I could develop an application in CF that equeals what you can do and do it in half the time. If you are serious about this months salary I'll gladly take you up on it. ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: asp vs. cf
On 12/1/01, Alex penned: Ouch. You'll be hurting sooner or later. Ignorance is NOT bliss when it comes to technology. Cool. Later sounds good. :) -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: asp vs. cf
Oh well, I think he is a couple of french fries short of a happy meal Bud :) Doug - Original Message - From: Bud [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 7:09 PM Subject: Re: asp vs. cf On 12/1/01, Alex penned: Ouch. You'll be hurting sooner or later. Ignorance is NOT bliss when it comes to technology. Cool. Later sounds good. :) -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
asp vs. cf
My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Steven D Dworman - Web Consultant Systems Administrator ComSpec International - http://www.comspec-intnl.com phone: 248.647.8841 cell: 734.972.9676 - EMPOWER-XL ***Software for Higher Education*** http://www.empower-xl.com ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: asp vs. cf
Ok..THIS time would someone plasseee take the responses and put them on a website somewhere..like Houseoffusion.com or something :) That would be most cool! I'll start off: You write more ASP code than you do in CF to perform the same tasks. App development in CF is a lot faster. -Gel -Original Message- From: Steven Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. Thanks, ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: asp vs. cf
CF- Need Addition Application Server Where By You dont need any kind of Application Server w.r.t ASP - Original Message - From: Steven Dworman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:16 PM Subject: asp vs. cf My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Steven D Dworman - Web Consultant Systems Administrator ComSpec International - http://www.comspec-intnl.com phone: 248.647.8841 cell: 734.972.9676 - EMPOWER-XL ***Software for Higher Education*** http://www.empower-xl.com ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: asp vs. cf
I have used ASP to build XML docs from a recordSet then send to another server. I later did the same procedure in CF and it was a breeze and took less code. Cause CF is tag based workes great with XML, plus there is great component kits out there and custom tags, like the one supplied by Tom Dyson CF XML toolkit I believe, and the fash Component one, not sure who is responsible for it. (is it Ben Forta?) ASP just takes more scripting to do the same job. -Original Message- From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: asp vs. cf Ok..THIS time would someone plasseee take the responses and put them on a website somewhere..like Houseoffusion.com or something :) That would be most cool! I'll start off: You write more ASP code than you do in CF to perform the same tasks. App development in CF is a lot faster. -Gel -Original Message- From: Steven Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. Thanks, ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: asp vs. cf
Ok..THIS time would someone plasseee take the responses and put them on a website somewhere..like Houseoffusion.com or something :) That would be most cool! There is a CF vs... section in the FAQ at http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq/ -- Aidan Whitehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia ColdFusion Developer Fairbanks Environmental +44 (0)1695 51775 ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: asp vs. cf
CF is Real Web RAD when Compared with ASP - Original Message - From: Steven Dworman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:16 PM Subject: asp vs. cf My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Steven D Dworman - Web Consultant Systems Administrator ComSpec International - http://www.comspec-intnl.com phone: 248.647.8841 cell: 734.972.9676 - EMPOWER-XL ***Software for Higher Education*** http://www.empower-xl.com ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: asp vs. cf
CF- Easy to Code and Debug. Not so easy With ASP. - Original Message - From: Steven Dworman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:16 PM Subject: asp vs. cf My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Steven D Dworman - Web Consultant Systems Administrator ComSpec International - http://www.comspec-intnl.com phone: 248.647.8841 cell: 734.972.9676 - EMPOWER-XL ***Software for Higher Education*** http://www.empower-xl.com ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: asp vs. cf
This comes up almost weekly. There is a good chart at www.houseoffusion.com to explain. Take the Information link then click ASP vs CF Dave - Original Message - From: Steven Dworman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:46 AM Subject: asp vs. cf My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Steven D Dworman - Web Consultant Systems Administrator ComSpec International - http://www.comspec-intnl.com phone: 248.647.8841 cell: 734.972.9676 - EMPOWER-XL ***Software for Higher Education*** http://www.empower-xl.com ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: asp vs. cf
It is there . . . Dave - Original Message - From: Angel Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:46 AM Subject: RE: asp vs. cf Ok..THIS time would someone plasseee take the responses and put them on a website somewhere..like Houseoffusion.com or something :) That would be most cool! I'll start off: You write more ASP code than you do in CF to perform the same tasks. App development in CF is a lot faster. -Gel -Original Message- From: Steven Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. Thanks, ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: asp vs. cf
You do need Visual InterDev, and all that comes with it. -Original Message- From: nagraj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: asp vs. cf CF- Need Addition Application Server Where By You dont need any kind of Application Server w.r.t ASP - Original Message - From: Steven Dworman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:16 PM Subject: asp vs. cf My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Steven D Dworman - Web Consultant Systems Administrator ComSpec International - http://www.comspec-intnl.com phone: 248.647.8841 cell: 734.972.9676 - EMPOWER-XL ***Software for Higher Education*** http://www.empower-xl.com ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: asp vs. cf
My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. Round and round we go! There are many comparisons that have already been made; probably the strongest one is that done by Infoworld (or was it eWeek, I can never remember which is which) when they recently chose CF as best application server. In any case, though, you might argue that the best one is the one you already know - if you know CF, and your organization has CF, there's no earthly reason to struggle with learning ASP. So tell your boss that by using CF, you'll keep labor costs significantly lower. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: asp vs. cf
Michael Is that chart upto date? Does it compare cf5 with the latest version of asp? Kola Oyedeji |Web Developer |ekeda elthorne gate |64 high street |pinner |middx |ha55qa t +44(208)429 7333 f +44(208)429 7339 |www.ekeda.co.uk -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 30 November 2001 14:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: asp vs. cf http://www.houseoffusion.com/hof/body/asp.cfm Its only been there for like 3 or 4 years. At 09:46 AM 11/30/01, you wrote: Ok..THIS time would someone plasseee take the responses and put them on a website somewhere..like Houseoffusion.com or something :) That would be most cool! I'll start off: You write more ASP code than you do in CF to perform the same tasks. App development in CF is a lot faster. -Gel -Original Message- From: Steven Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. Thanks, ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: asp vs. cf
no. I'm trying to get out of this depression and back into writing. When I do I'll make sure I update it to the latest CF and Asp (not .net, but the latest live stuff). At 10:00 AM 11/30/01, you wrote: Michael Is that chart upto date? Does it compare cf5 with the latest version of asp? Kola Oyedeji |Web Developer |ekeda elthorne gate |64 high street |pinner |middx |ha55qa t +44(208)429 7333 f +44(208)429 7339 |www.ekeda.co.uk -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 30 November 2001 14:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: asp vs. cf http://www.houseoffusion.com/hof/body/asp.cfm Its only been there for like 3 or 4 years. At 09:46 AM 11/30/01, you wrote: Ok..THIS time would someone plasseee take the responses and put them on a website somewhere..like Houseoffusion.com or something :) That would be most cool! I'll start off: You write more ASP code than you do in CF to perform the same tasks. App development in CF is a lot faster. -Gel -Original Message- From: Steven Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. Thanks, ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: asp vs. cf
Thanks for all the input. My boss is looking for something a little more specific. Let's say for example that we have a set number of screens to develop, say 24 :). A third of them are for display purposes only, so now we're down to 16 screens that have input forms and such. When developing a form, both display and action what kind of time difference are we looking at between asp and cf? Also what kind of hardware are we looking at for a 2000 user application. More or less or same with cf or asp? -Original Message- From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: asp vs. cf Michael Is that chart upto date? Does it compare cf5 with the latest version of asp? Kola Oyedeji |Web Developer |ekeda elthorne gate |64 high street |pinner |middx |ha55qa t +44(208)429 7333 f +44(208)429 7339 |www.ekeda.co.uk -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 30 November 2001 14:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: asp vs. cf http://www.houseoffusion.com/hof/body/asp.cfm Its only been there for like 3 or 4 years. At 09:46 AM 11/30/01, you wrote: Ok..THIS time would someone plasseee take the responses and put them on a website somewhere..like Houseoffusion.com or something :) That would be most cool! I'll start off: You write more ASP code than you do in CF to perform the same tasks. App development in CF is a lot faster. -Gel -Original Message- From: Steven Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. Thanks, ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: asp vs. cf
CF- Need Addition Application Server Where By You dont need any kind of Application Server w.r.t ASP You do need Visual InterDev, and all that comes with it. No, you don't need Interdev for ASP development. From what I understand, Homesite is actually the preferred development environment for the majority of ASP coders. All Visual Interdev really gives you, in my opinion, is ASP-specific help and design-time ActiveX controls (which are basically just code-generation wizards). Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: asp vs. cf
Actually, you don't. I use CF Studio to do my ASP development! Brian Yager President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group Sr. Systems Analyst NCCIM/CIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] (256) 842-8342 -Original Message- From: John McCosker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: asp vs. cf You do need Visual InterDev, and all that comes with it. -Original Message- From: nagraj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:08 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: asp vs. cf CF- Need Addition Application Server Where By You dont need any kind of Application Server w.r.t ASP - Original Message - From: Steven Dworman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:16 PM Subject: asp vs. cf My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Steven D Dworman - Web Consultant Systems Administrator ComSpec International - http://www.comspec-intnl.com phone: 248.647.8841 cell: 734.972.9676 - EMPOWER-XL ***Software for Higher Education*** http://www.empower-xl.com ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: asp vs. cf
The benchmarks I've seen favor PHP, then ASP, CF, then JSP. I'm curious to know if there are new comparitive benchmarks for CF5. From what I hear, there's a dramatic performance increase in CF5. Performance is very important, but try to not let that be the only concern. There are many good reasons why or why not to choose a particular middleware platform. EC -Original Message- From: Steven Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: asp vs. cf Thanks for all the input. My boss is looking for something a little more specific. Let's say for example that we have a set number of screens to develop, say 24 :). A third of them are for display purposes only, so now we're down to 16 screens that have input forms and such. When developing a form, both display and action what kind of time difference are we looking at between asp and cf? Also what kind of hardware are we looking at for a 2000 user application. More or less or same with cf or asp? -Original Message- From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: asp vs. cf Michael Is that chart upto date? Does it compare cf5 with the latest version of asp? Kola Oyedeji |Web Developer |ekeda elthorne gate |64 high street |pinner |middx |ha55qa t +44(208)429 7333 f +44(208)429 7339 |www.ekeda.co.uk -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 30 November 2001 14:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: asp vs. cf http://www.houseoffusion.com/hof/body/asp.cfm Its only been there for like 3 or 4 years. At 09:46 AM 11/30/01, you wrote: Ok..THIS time would someone plasseee take the responses and put them on a website somewhere..like Houseoffusion.com or something :) That would be most cool! I'll start off: You write more ASP code than you do in CF to perform the same tasks. App development in CF is a lot faster. -Gel -Original Message- From: Steven Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. Thanks, ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: asp vs. cf
I do both ASP and CF...Here is what I have discovered. ASP is limited to an NT box (without third party software)...CF is platform independent. ASP does take longer to code. Some of the simple CF tags that take on line of code is many lines in ASP/VBScript. The learning curve for CF is WAY quicker than ASP. (I have found that since I knew CF first, ASP was easy to learn). CF has more functions than ASP/VBScript. I find myself ALWAYS saying I could do this in CF with JUST THIS function! Both will connect to Oracle and SQL Server DB's. You can create the connect string on the fly in ASP (I think CF 5 does this now). You do need CF Application server to use CF. ASP requires an NT box (works best with IIS). Neither require anything special to code. Notepad will work just fine (I use CF Studio for both). ASP requires that ALL ASP code must be within % % tags. CF doesn't need anything around it (unless you want to display a CF variable). To send mail or do a query, in ASP, you have to create the object that you are using (whether it's the ADODB or CDONTS) then have a another line (with parameters) to execute it. With CF, its just one tag. I hope this helps.. Brian Yager President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group Sr. Systems Analyst NCCIM/CIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] (256) 842-8342 -Original Message- From: Steven Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: asp vs. cf Thanks for all the input. My boss is looking for something a little more specific. Let's say for example that we have a set number of screens to develop, say 24 :). A third of them are for display purposes only, so now we're down to 16 screens that have input forms and such. When developing a form, both display and action what kind of time difference are we looking at between asp and cf? Also what kind of hardware are we looking at for a 2000 user application. More or less or same with cf or asp? -Original Message- From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: asp vs. cf Michael Is that chart upto date? Does it compare cf5 with the latest version of asp? Kola Oyedeji |Web Developer |ekeda elthorne gate |64 high street |pinner |middx |ha55qa t +44(208)429 7333 f +44(208)429 7339 |www.ekeda.co.uk -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 30 November 2001 14:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: asp vs. cf http://www.houseoffusion.com/hof/body/asp.cfm Its only been there for like 3 or 4 years. At 09:46 AM 11/30/01, you wrote: Ok..THIS time would someone plasseee take the responses and put them on a website somewhere..like Houseoffusion.com or something :) That would be most cool! I'll start off: You write more ASP code than you do in CF to perform the same tasks. App development in CF is a lot faster. -Gel -Original Message- From: Steven Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. Thanks, ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: asp vs. cf
Homesite is actually the preferred development environment for the majority of ASP coders. There ia an extensive debug utility, which when properly set up is as good as CF. My brother has been an ASP dev for 3 years, we are always arguing (for fun). His whole company swears by it. I'm not jumping on the ASP band wagon for one single second. In case you think that. I just believe MS people use MS tools. jmc .. .. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: asp vs. cf CF- Need Addition Application Server Where By You dont need any kind of Application Server w.r.t ASP You do need Visual InterDev, and all that comes with it. No, you don't need Interdev for ASP development. From what I understand, Homesite is actually the preferred development environment for the majority of ASP coders. All Visual Interdev really gives you, in my opinion, is ASP-specific help and design-time ActiveX controls (which are basically just code-generation wizards). Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: asp vs. cf
When used, the debug tools in ASP and VB are amazing. However, it's alot like CFStudio - debugging tools aren't used often. I personally prefer Visual Interdev for ASP development when the proper extensions are on the dev server so I can easily see all the methods and properties of ActiveX objects - otherwise, I use Studio. - Original Message - From: John McCosker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:05 AM Subject: RE: asp vs. cf Homesite is actually the preferred development environment for the majority of ASP coders. There ia an extensive debug utility, which when properly set up is as good as CF. My brother has been an ASP dev for 3 years, we are always arguing (for fun). His whole company swears by it. I'm not jumping on the ASP band wagon for one single second. In case you think that. I just believe MS people use MS tools. jmc .. .. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 3:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: asp vs. cf CF- Need Addition Application Server Where By You dont need any kind of Application Server w.r.t ASP You do need Visual InterDev, and all that comes with it. No, you don't need Interdev for ASP development. From what I understand, Homesite is actually the preferred development environment for the majority of ASP coders. All Visual Interdev really gives you, in my opinion, is ASP-specific help and design-time ActiveX controls (which are basically just code-generation wizards). Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: asp vs. cf
My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. I will add to this by saying that I am a CF programmer at heart, but I am presently working on an ASP application. Cold Fusion is faster, easier, and probably more scalable to use, yes, no doubt about it. But it does effect you as a developer by hiding the real guts of what's happening. You can be the world's greatest CF programmer, but if that's all you know, then you are severely limited in the services you can provide. I would even go as far to say that you're not *really* even a programmer. You are just a glorified software operator. (I am using 'you' collectively and not singling you out. It applies to all of us.) Programming, in any language involves two key concepts: logic and syntax. Cold Fusion will teach you logic. But it does not teach you syntax. From that perspective, Cold Fusion tricks you into thinking you are a master programmer. I jump at the chance to program in ASP or JSP simply because it improves my own personal skills and, in turn, my marketability. I think of it as paid training. Yes, I bitch (to myself) the whole way through about how much easier it is with CF. But in the end, I am versatile. If the platform decision falls on my shoulders, then I recommend CF for all the reasons everyone else will tell you. But if someone else makes the decision, I am prepared. I guess in the end, it depends on what your own personal and professional goals are. But I personally, don't want to be bound by any one development platform. FWIW, Steve ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: asp vs. cf
yeah good way to skin the project pool :) I find the alternatives littered with syntax issues and illogical syntax in many regards... I split it by saying that if you can write a C program or Java you can build the things CF can't or doesn't do natively... fortunate that in my world I say whatever to project like that ... but for my own stuff I have about hit the wall... things like peer-to-peer aren't going to be developed in CF without tie-in to other things... so Java is my new playground for some stuff.. With people's hourly rates being embarrassingly high, every client should demand CF development to control costs.. roll your own client management and buy a good cache management for your Java-solution and find your client wondering who you are trying to rip off... I guess as I always say, know your market and what they need and what they will spend... If you are building some huge-budget implementation with massive scalability and proprietary stuff... then by all means the others are better in some areas... Notably, Java and its adaptability to many platforms and the state issue... don't forget the multi million dollar project budget... Needless to say, 95% of all businesses are small businesses that means 20 million a year of revenue or less.. they are not web centric and their margins are likely small on products... some of their highest bills are their legal counselors.. which bill at about the same rate as the web people... on average... at any rate... if clients are deep pocketed enough and readily available sure, learn it and sell it... otherwise, the intellectual pursuit is admirable and you employability is better... still reminds me of my friends who speak like 5 foreign languages.. hardly see the point of learning to learn... you only can do one thing at a time... :) admirable but a tad less enjoyable than perhaps taking a vacation :) -paris -Original Message- From: Steve Reich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 19:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: asp vs. cf My boss just asked me for a list of pros and cons. I want to show him that CF is superior to ASP, but I don't know ASP. If you guys could help with my list I'd appreciate it. I will add to this by saying that I am a CF programmer at heart, but I am presently working on an ASP application. Cold Fusion is faster, easier, and probably more scalable to use, yes, no doubt about it. But it does effect you as a developer by hiding the real guts of what's happening. You can be the world's greatest CF programmer, but if that's all you know, then you are severely limited in the services you can provide. I would even go as far to say that you're not *really* even a programmer. You are just a glorified software operator. (I am using 'you' collectively and not singling you out. It applies to all of us.) Programming, in any language involves two key concepts: logic and syntax. Cold Fusion will teach you logic. But it does not teach you syntax. From that perspective, Cold Fusion tricks you into thinking you are a master programmer. I jump at the chance to program in ASP or JSP simply because it improves my own personal skills and, in turn, my marketability. I think of it as paid training. Yes, I bitch (to myself) the whole way through about how much easier it is with CF. But in the end, I am versatile. If the platform decision falls on my shoulders, then I recommend CF for all the reasons everyone else will tell you. But if someone else makes the decision, I am prepared. I guess in the end, it depends on what your own personal and professional goals are. But I personally, don't want to be bound by any one development platform. FWIW, Steve ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: asp vs. cf
On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Steve Reich wrote: Programming, in any language involves two key concepts: logic and syntax. Cold Fusion will teach you logic. But it does not teach you syntax. From that perspective, Cold Fusion tricks you into thinking you are a master programmer. Programming is logic. Syntax has almost nothing to do with it. Who cares if you know correct syntax of a language as long as you know how to think. If you can think then you develop software; if you know the syntax then you maintain the software. ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: asp vs. cf
I think it was PCWorld who did the bechmarks during the 4.x era where CF was #3. They updated their benchmarks when 5 came out and it blew the rest of them away. I haven't seen any updated php 4 performance test yes though...not that I care :) I just wish CF had the built in socket library that php does... jon Carlisle, Eric wrote: The benchmarks I've seen favor PHP, then ASP, CF, then JSP. I'm curious to know if there are new comparitive benchmarks for CF5. From what I hear, there's a dramatic performance increase in CF5. Performance is very important, but try to not let that be the only concern. There are many good reasons why or why not to choose a particular middleware platform. EC -Original Message- From: Steven Dworman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:26 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: asp vs. cf Thanks for all the input. My boss is looking for something a little more specific. Let's say for example that we have a set number of screens to develop, say 24 :). A third of them are for display purposes only, so now we're down to 16 screens that have input forms and such. When developing a form, both display and action what kind of time difference are we looking at between asp and cf? Also what kind of hardware are we looking at for a 2000 user application. More or less or same with cf or asp? ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: asp vs. cf
Ouch 16 forms, I spend 90 percent of my time developing some kind of form, and I am always doing complex validation, both server and client side. A good form is a work of art! If I knew I had 16 forms on the burner though, I'd probably scream :) To answer your question, as far as form development time goes, it really depends on how intelligent they are going to be. If you are just submitting the forms to a database or emailing the contents, the development time difference is negligible if you know both CF and ASP already. If you are planning complex validation and a lot of database work with the data from these forms, the cfform tag handles quite a bit in and of itself. If cfform does everything you need for validation then you could be done with the project faster than I can guzzle a Red Bull...Also just about every kind of custom validation has been written into a CF custom tag that you can freely download from the Dev Exchange. You definately cant say that about ASP. It really doesn't matter what you are doing, CF development times are always faster than ASP. Hardware costs are going to be the same either way. We have some production CF sites running on a Pentium Pro and it still works great. The main difference between the two is the developers. Developers cost more than hardware and software combined. Your decision should be based upon your developers skillsets. oooh I just had an idea for a new cf tag...a flash form generator. Wait...what would I do with all my free time? Nevermind...scratch that idea! ;-) jon Steven Dworman wrote: Thanks for all the input. My boss is looking for something a little more specific. Let's say for example that we have a set number of screens to develop, say 24 :). A third of them are for display purposes only, so now we're down to 16 screens that have input forms and such. When developing a form, both display and action what kind of time difference are we looking at between asp and cf? Also what kind of hardware are we looking at for a 2000 user application. More or less or same with cf or asp? ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: asp vs. cf
And this is why CF is so good, because it is flexible enough to allow others to make tags/functions/Com Objects to add this functionality. Sure it has taken time to get it here, but with the work of intuitive people then CF will flourish even stronger by the imagination of its developers. -Original Message- From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, 1 December 2001 12:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: asp vs. cf I think it was PCWorld who did the bechmarks during the 4.x era where CF was #3. They updated their benchmarks when 5 came out and it blew the rest of them away. I haven't seen any updated php 4 performance test yes though...not that I care :) I just wish CF had the built in socket library that php does... jon Carlisle, Eric wrote: The benchmarks I've seen favor PHP, then ASP, CF, then JSP. I'm curious to know if there are new comparitive benchmarks for CF5. From what I hear, there's a dramatic performance increase in CF5. Performance is very important, but try to not let that be the only concern. There are many good reasons why or why not to choose a particular middleware platform. EC ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: asp vs. cf
Holy flark, CF5 totally destroyed the competition. http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0,4161,2764421,00.html I think it was PCWorld who did the bechmarks during the 4.x era where CF was #3. They updated their benchmarks when 5 came out and it blew the rest of them away. I haven't seen any updated php 4 performance test yes though...not that I care :) I just wish CF had the built in socket library that php does... ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: ASP Vs. CF
http://www.houseoffusion.com/hof/body/asp.cfm Try that. EC -Original Message- From: Yager, Brian T Contractor/NCCIM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 2:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: ASP Vs. CF Does anyone have a presentation on ASP Vs. CF? I have some but not enough for 30-45 minutes. I would like to present this for my next CFUG meeting. Thanks, Brian Yager President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group Sr. Systems Analyst NCCIM/CIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] (256) 842-8342 ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: ASP Vs. CF
Go to http://www.houseoffusion.com and there is a comparison of CF and ASP. - Original Message - From: Yager, Brian T Contractor/NCCIM [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 1:56 PM Subject: ASP Vs. CF Does anyone have a presentation on ASP Vs. CF? I have some but not enough for 30-45 minutes. I would like to present this for my next CFUG meeting. Thanks, Brian Yager President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group Sr. Systems Analyst NCCIM/CIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] (256) 842-8342 ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
ASP Vs. CF
Does anyone have a presentation on ASP Vs. CF? I have some but not enough for 30-45 minutes. I would like to present this for my next CFUG meeting. Thanks, Brian Yager President - North AL Cold Fusion Users Group Sr. Systems Analyst NCCIM/CIC [EMAIL PROTECTED] (256) 842-8342 ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
