[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
If you hold meetings in a business's premises, then you're not plugging 'the internet cable' into a laptop, you're connecting a foreign pc into the guts of their internal network. Any sane network admin would justifiably freak at that prospect. There also may be all sorts of proxy settings and possibly even accounts that would be required to make them work. In short, its something that you just don't do. You use PC equipment thats already on the network and don't install anything that they don't want, or only use data projection with presenters laptops and don't connect the network. Regards Darren Tracey On Mar 13, 1:27 pm, Chris Velevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/12/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry and I discussed it off-list. They have a common problem, working in a place where they don't have wireless access, and while there's a computer in the room which does have net access, it belongs to the facility and they don't want any software installed, so the presenters instead just plug their laptops into the projector. All that makes recording using tools like Breeze/Connect/LiveMeeting impossible. What's wrong with plugging the internet cable into the presenters laptop? Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
I'd also like to add a little to the CFUGs in Microsoft issue. I pondered this exact same thing recently myself. Its an interesting idea that you could hold your CFUG meeting in the premises of your 'competitor'. Getting free stuff out of Microsoft is also always nice. But thats it. There's no other real value add. We get our catering costs covered by the local Adobe office, we get sufficient free giveaways from Adobe as well, and we have a very good venue also provided at no cost. Apart from being interesting, what do we gain from holding it at Microsoft? (yes I know this all stemmed from an internet connection issue, but there are other ways around that) The people at Microsoft are _far_ from idiots. They don't do things for no reason, or even trivial reasons. People can say all they want that it doesn't matter, and we're not idiots, we won't be swayed, but in the end, it does make a difference, and it doesn't feel right. Microsoft are far too keen, so they are obviously seeing it as a non trivial benefit to them. I'm not seeing any kind of benefit beyond the trivial that the CFUG gets from the arrangement, and at the end of the day, they are the competitor. As I've said in other lists lately, there are places to go to get info about Microsoft products and places to go to get info on Adobe products, and the two should be seperate and distinct things. Everyone knows where to get info about Microsoft products. The CFUG community doesn't have to facilitate information flow about competing technologies. I have no problem with getting someone from Microsoft in to tell us about technologies that we want to hear about, but its still our meeting, and its our call as to what is covered and what is not covered, and you start to loose that control when you accept 'incentives' like hosting, etc, from any vendor. Its a slippery slope, and there may not be any problems with doing it either, but the trick is to avoid the potential situations where compromising your aims and objectives becomes possible or is removed from your control. The risk is small, but the benefit is even smaller, so its just not worth taking it, in my mind. Thats why we're doing what we're doing. Regards Darren Tracey --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
Ya know I've just not bothered to read this thread as I don't have the energy to argue with you guys on Microsoft vs Agenda politics. Ok.. so .. we all have used MS SQL right? Have you used Internet Explorer or better yet IIS. If you have any yes's in those boxes the Microsoft is relevant to the Adobe Coldfusion User Group. Guys - remember Microsofts product range on a number of platforms and services available, we aren't a one trick poney and if Adobe want to pitch the whole Blue Team vs Red Team approach to the world and that kind of crap appeals to you, by all means buy into it. If you'd prefer to have a rational conversation that doesn't involve politics and brands and all that crap that just causes headaches - come see me as I'll be willing to listen. Offers there folks, yes you can have Adobe do a presentation on it and I'll organise the theatres to accomodate. Put it into context: We have the Brisbane Web Design User Group last night where Ben gave a presentation on an OSX Machine and some dude was handing out Linux shirts We just don't play that game - no matter how many times I'll try and tell you :) On 3/13/07, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd also like to add a little to the CFUGs in Microsoft issue. I pondered this exact same thing recently myself. Its an interesting idea that you could hold your CFUG meeting in the premises of your 'competitor'. Getting free stuff out of Microsoft is also always nice. But thats it. There's no other real value add. We get our catering costs covered by the local Adobe office, we get sufficient free giveaways from Adobe as well, and we have a very good venue also provided at no cost. Apart from being interesting, what do we gain from holding it at Microsoft? (yes I know this all stemmed from an internet connection issue, but there are other ways around that) The people at Microsoft are _far_ from idiots. They don't do things for no reason, or even trivial reasons. People can say all they want that it doesn't matter, and we're not idiots, we won't be swayed, but in the end, it does make a difference, and it doesn't feel right. Microsoft are far too keen, so they are obviously seeing it as a non trivial benefit to them. I'm not seeing any kind of benefit beyond the trivial that the CFUG gets from the arrangement, and at the end of the day, they are the competitor. As I've said in other lists lately, there are places to go to get info about Microsoft products and places to go to get info on Adobe products, and the two should be seperate and distinct things. Everyone knows where to get info about Microsoft products. The CFUG community doesn't have to facilitate information flow about competing technologies. I have no problem with getting someone from Microsoft in to tell us about technologies that we want to hear about, but its still our meeting, and its our call as to what is covered and what is not covered, and you start to loose that control when you accept 'incentives' like hosting, etc, from any vendor. Its a slippery slope, and there may not be any problems with doing it either, but the trick is to avoid the potential situations where compromising your aims and objectives becomes possible or is removed from your control. The risk is small, but the benefit is even smaller, so its just not worth taking it, in my mind. Thats why we're doing what we're doing. Regards Darren Tracey -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
last night = last month (been a long day) On 3/13/07, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ya know I've just not bothered to read this thread as I don't have the energy to argue with you guys on Microsoft vs Agenda politics. Ok.. so .. we all have used MS SQL right? Have you used Internet Explorer or better yet IIS. If you have any yes's in those boxes the Microsoft is relevant to the Adobe Coldfusion User Group. Guys - remember Microsofts product range on a number of platforms and services available, we aren't a one trick poney and if Adobe want to pitch the whole Blue Team vs Red Team approach to the world and that kind of crap appeals to you, by all means buy into it. If you'd prefer to have a rational conversation that doesn't involve politics and brands and all that crap that just causes headaches - come see me as I'll be willing to listen. Offers there folks, yes you can have Adobe do a presentation on it and I'll organise the theatres to accomodate. Put it into context: We have the Brisbane Web Design User Group last night where Ben gave a presentation on an OSX Machine and some dude was handing out Linux shirts We just don't play that game - no matter how many times I'll try and tell you :) On 3/13/07, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd also like to add a little to the CFUGs in Microsoft issue. I pondered this exact same thing recently myself. Its an interesting idea that you could hold your CFUG meeting in the premises of your 'competitor'. Getting free stuff out of Microsoft is also always nice. But thats it. There's no other real value add. We get our catering costs covered by the local Adobe office, we get sufficient free giveaways from Adobe as well, and we have a very good venue also provided at no cost. Apart from being interesting, what do we gain from holding it at Microsoft? (yes I know this all stemmed from an internet connection issue, but there are other ways around that) The people at Microsoft are _far_ from idiots. They don't do things for no reason, or even trivial reasons. People can say all they want that it doesn't matter, and we're not idiots, we won't be swayed, but in the end, it does make a difference, and it doesn't feel right. Microsoft are far too keen, so they are obviously seeing it as a non trivial benefit to them. I'm not seeing any kind of benefit beyond the trivial that the CFUG gets from the arrangement, and at the end of the day, they are the competitor. As I've said in other lists lately, there are places to go to get info about Microsoft products and places to go to get info on Adobe products, and the two should be seperate and distinct things. Everyone knows where to get info about Microsoft products. The CFUG community doesn't have to facilitate information flow about competing technologies. I have no problem with getting someone from Microsoft in to tell us about technologies that we want to hear about, but its still our meeting, and its our call as to what is covered and what is not covered, and you start to loose that control when you accept 'incentives' like hosting, etc, from any vendor. Its a slippery slope, and there may not be any problems with doing it either, but the trick is to avoid the potential situations where compromising your aims and objectives becomes possible or is removed from your control. The risk is small, but the benefit is even smaller, so its just not worth taking it, in my mind. Thats why we're doing what we're doing. Regards Darren Tracey -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
I'm sorry to say Darren I read that thread and firstly, I want my 10mins back. I think you're suffering from too much sceptism and the only valid reason I can think of that would potentially be irrelevant to hosting within Microsoft is that can't be assed moving the meetings or that you're comfortable with the current place (either is perfectly valid and aok). Offer is there, no catch, no soul being sold to the devil as again - for those in the nose bleed seats - Microsoft means many things to many people I remember at the Flash Platform User Group you walked up and said Adobe are coming here so if you need to leave let me know... Seriously dude, you need to move past this Adobe vs Microsoft crap that you're somehow subscribing too as my metric within Microsoft is anything that touches a browser and pieces that support it. Internet Explorer Microsoft SQL 2005 Wndows 2003./ Server Windows Vista, Windows XP Expression Tools Windows IIS ASP.NET ASP.NET AJAX (PHP Ajax via Codex) Windows Presentation Foundation (WPF) Windows Presentation Everywhere (WPF/e) Sharepoint Office 2007 I could list the rest.. I think you get my point... Many things to many people. Its time you all started to wise up that if you play that game us vs them, you're only limiting your own possibilities. On 3/13/07, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd also like to add a little to the CFUGs in Microsoft issue. I pondered this exact same thing recently myself. Its an interesting idea that you could hold your CFUG meeting in the premises of your 'competitor'. Getting free stuff out of Microsoft is also always nice. But thats it. There's no other real value add. We get our catering costs covered by the local Adobe office, we get sufficient free giveaways from Adobe as well, and we have a very good venue also provided at no cost. Apart from being interesting, what do we gain from holding it at Microsoft? (yes I know this all stemmed from an internet connection issue, but there are other ways around that) The people at Microsoft are _far_ from idiots. They don't do things for no reason, or even trivial reasons. People can say all they want that it doesn't matter, and we're not idiots, we won't be swayed, but in the end, it does make a difference, and it doesn't feel right. Microsoft are far too keen, so they are obviously seeing it as a non trivial benefit to them. I'm not seeing any kind of benefit beyond the trivial that the CFUG gets from the arrangement, and at the end of the day, they are the competitor. As I've said in other lists lately, there are places to go to get info about Microsoft products and places to go to get info on Adobe products, and the two should be seperate and distinct things. Everyone knows where to get info about Microsoft products. The CFUG community doesn't have to facilitate information flow about competing technologies. I have no problem with getting someone from Microsoft in to tell us about technologies that we want to hear about, but its still our meeting, and its our call as to what is covered and what is not covered, and you start to loose that control when you accept 'incentives' like hosting, etc, from any vendor. Its a slippery slope, and there may not be any problems with doing it either, but the trick is to avoid the potential situations where compromising your aims and objectives becomes possible or is removed from your control. The risk is small, but the benefit is even smaller, so its just not worth taking it, in my mind. Thats why we're doing what we're doing. Regards Darren Tracey -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
Ya know Andrew if you take that is an answer that will put a cork in your Vista Price rant... i'll sign off on it myself :) heheheeheh (No offense by the way) On 3/13/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *LOL*, That's how Microsoft spend the outrages prices on Vista, outside of the USA:-) Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone:+613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Monday, 12 March 2007 9:36 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Well... these meetings could be hosted inside Microsoft's swisho theatres at brisbane hq - broadband, pizza and beer :) I will buy your love hows that :) -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
Thanks, Darren. Chris, I had indeed meant to say in my note, where they don't have wireless access or they won't want to let you plug into their wired network. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Tracey Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 3:00 AM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. If you hold meetings in a business's premises, then you're not plugging 'the internet cable' into a laptop, you're connecting a foreign pc into the guts of their internal network. Any sane network admin would justifiably freak at that prospect. There also may be all sorts of proxy settings and possibly even accounts that would be required to make them work. In short, its something that you just don't do. You use PC equipment thats already on the network and don't install anything that they don't want, or only use data projection with presenters laptops and don't connect the network. Regards Darren Tracey On Mar 13, 1:27 pm, Chris Velevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/12/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry and I discussed it off-list. They have a common problem, working in a place where they don't have wireless access, and while there's a computer in the room which does have net access, it belongs to the facility and they don't want any software installed, so the presenters instead just plug their laptops into the projector. All that makes recording using tools like Breeze/Connect/LiveMeeting impossible. What's wrong with plugging the internet cable into the presenters laptop? Chris --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
Scott, none taken.. Surely you saw it as a joe right? On 3/13/07, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ya know Andrew if you take that is an answer that will put a cork in your Vista Price rant... i'll sign off on it myself :) heheheeheh (No offense by the way) On 3/13/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *LOL*, That's how Microsoft spend the outrages prices on Vista, outside of the USA:-) Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone:+613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Monday, 12 March 2007 9:36 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Well... these meetings could be hosted inside Microsoft's swisho theatres at brisbane hq - broadband, pizza and beer :) I will buy your love hows that :) -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
yes I did heheh. On 3/14/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott, none taken.. Surely you saw it as a joe right? On 3/13/07, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ya know Andrew if you take that is an answer that will put a cork in your Vista Price rant... i'll sign off on it myself :) heheheeheh (No offense by the way) On 3/13/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *LOL*, That's how Microsoft spend the outrages prices on Vista, outside of the USA:-) Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone:+613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Monday, 12 March 2007 9:36 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Well... these meetings could be hosted inside Microsoft's swisho theatres at brisbane hq - broadband, pizza and beer :) I will buy your love hows that :) -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
P.S Barry - I'll be there (CFUG) tonight... and Darren I need you to sign a contract, it basically outlines that I need your soul in exchange for 7 virgins in an oasis of nirvana... usual MSFT thing... ya know how it goes. Scott. On 3/14/07, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes I did heheh. On 3/14/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott, none taken.. Surely you saw it as a joe right? On 3/13/07, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ya know Andrew if you take that is an answer that will put a cork in your Vista Price rant... i'll sign off on it myself :) heheheeheh (No offense by the way) On 3/13/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *LOL*, That's how Microsoft spend the outrages prices on Vista, outside of the USA:-) Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone:+613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Monday, 12 March 2007 9:36 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Well... these meetings could be hosted inside Microsoft's swisho theatres at brisbane hq - broadband, pizza and beer :) I will buy your love hows that :) -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
On Mar 13, 7:58 pm, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you're suffering from too much sceptism and the only valid reason I can think of that would potentially be irrelevant to hosting within Microsoft is that can't be assed moving the meetings or that you're comfortable with the current place (either is perfectly valid and aok). Thats two points Scott. 1. Scepticism. I've never claimed not to be a sceptic. Is it too much, or am I just being cautious? Its not a descision that only effects me, so I'll always err on the side of caution. 2. Reasons for moving. You gave two actually. As I explained before, at this point, we couldn't be bothered moving, because there just isn't enough reason to do it that benefits the User Group, beyond it just being a novelty, and secondly, we are comfortable where we are. And as you said, they are valid and OK reasons. I remember at the Flash Platform User Group you walked up and said Adobe are coming here so if you need to leave let me know... Seriously dude, you need to move past this Adobe vs Microsoft crap that you're somehow subscribing too as my metric within Microsoft is anything that touches a browser and pieces that support it. Scott, that quote has been taken grossly out of context, and you know it. It was said as a joke, with a huge grin on my face, in relation to other peoples attitudes, that you knew I wasn't subscribing to. Don't start stooping to behaving like that or you'll be reinforcing the attitudes that you are trying to change. Microsoft is currently battling against its reputation for past behaviours. You've got to change those behaviours, and keep them changed, _without_exception_, before you can expect people to believe you've really changed. Regards Darren Tracey --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
I'm flattered that Microsoft puts such a high value on my soul. As stated before though, the risks outweigh the benefits, so I'll pass on this superficially attractive offer. Darren who's holding out for _20_ vigins! On Mar 14, 8:39 am, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S Barry - I'll be there (CFUG) tonight... and Darren I need you to sign a contract, it basically outlines that I need your soul in exchange for 7 virgins in an oasis of nirvana... usual MSFT thing... ya know how it goes. Scott. On 3/14/07, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes I did heheh. On 3/14/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott, none taken.. Surely you saw it as a joe right? On 3/13/07, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ya know Andrew if you take that is an answer that will put a cork in your Vista Price rant... i'll sign off on it myself :) heheheeheh (No offense by the way) On 3/13/07, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *LOL*, That's how Microsoft spend the outrages prices on Vista, outside of the USA:-) Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone:+613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Monday, 12 March 2007 9:36 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Well... these meetings could be hosted inside Microsoft's swisho theatres at brisbane hq - broadband, pizza and beer :) I will buy your love hows that :) -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com -- Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com -- Regards, Scott Barneshttp://www.mossyblog.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
On 3/14/07, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 13, 7:58 pm, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you're suffering from too much sceptism and the only valid reason I can think of that would potentially be irrelevant to hosting within Microsoft is that can't be assed moving the meetings or that you're comfortable with the current place (either is perfectly valid and aok). Thats two points Scott. 1. Scepticism. I've never claimed not to be a sceptic. Is it too much, or am I just being cautious? Its not a descision that only effects me, so I'll always err on the side of caution. 2. Reasons for moving. You gave two actually. As I explained before, at this point, we couldn't be bothered moving, because there just isn't enough reason to do it that benefits the User Group, beyond it just being a novelty, and secondly, we are comfortable where we are. And as you said, they are valid and OK reasons. Don't make me slap you... Yeah look, offer was made should you *need* it because of broadband issues etc. If you don't want it that's cool, offer is thee is all. *My expense reports thank you though*. Yet, to say you can't do it because of this Adobe vs Microsoft crap just irritates me as being ignorant ass response. I remember at the Flash Platform User Group you walked up and said Adobe are coming here so if you need to leave let me know... Seriously dude, you need to move past this Adobe vs Microsoft crap that you're somehow subscribing too as my metric within Microsoft is anything that touches a browser and pieces that support it. Scott, that quote has been taken grossly out of context, and you know it. It was said as a joke, with a huge grin on my face, in relation to other peoples attitudes, that you knew I wasn't subscribing to. Don't start stooping to behaving like that or you'll be reinforcing the attitudes that you are trying to change. Microsoft is currently battling against its reputation for past behaviours. You've got to change those behaviours, and keep them changed, _without_exception_, before you can expect people to believe you've really changed. Grossly? is that context to the context of the sentence? (heh) I don't have to change diddly squat. Peoples perceptions of Microsoft are varied depending on whom they are and the way the behave. I see a lot of people denouncing the Microsoft brand online, yet face to face they change their posture - which just confuses the crap out of me I must say. It's just a company, they have a stronger focus these days on solution delivery and less on flog that product as to flog the product is a short term win, it's long term wins we are after. I must confess as well, the metrics i have are like How many developers have you spoken to in a year answer: 500 .. congrats, here's your bonus. I make zero bonus/kudos if you *actually* buy into the products... i'm sure the sales team etc do but they have their own ways of doing that and ninja diving into a CFUG isn't one of them :) I've always called a spade a spade, if people irratate me - work be damned, i'll just poke holes in their theories simply because I can't suffer fools... It's probably the wrong attitude to have but overall at least you know where I stand on an issue instead of half-assed diplomacy ;) Regards Darren Tracey -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
Well... these meetings could be hosted inside Microsoft's swisho theatres at brisbane hq - broadband, pizza and beer :) I will buy your love hows that :) On 3/12/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry and I discussed it off-list. They have a common problem, working in a place where they don't have wireless access, and while there's a computer in the room which does have net access, it belongs to the facility and they don't want any software installed, so the presenters instead just plug their laptops into the projector. All that makes recording using tools like Breeze/Connect/LiveMeeting impossible. We did discuss options for recording off-line, using tools such as Camtasia, CamStudio, and so on. He will consider those, but then you're talking about installing s/w on the presenter's laptops, and they have to have time to become familiar to do the recording, plus they would be big (though both the above can compress to SWF when done). Then you have to find a place to host the recordings, and I recommended Google video, which has no time limit like youtube and aol video. We shall see if they can do it. I'll understand if they can't. I'll be writing all this up in a blog entry to offer the suggestions to other CFUG organizers. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:18 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Yeah record it damnz it ... I could offer up office live recordings lol... Barry: You've got the mics, I can go out tommorow and grab a decent web cam? On 3/10/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to give up too easily. :-) When you say you don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content, what do you mean? Do you really mean something about the content? Or the typical presenter's setup? Or the environment? I mean, if you've got a laptop with a mic, and an internet connection, that's all you need. You start the meeting in Connect, and hit record. You don't need to bother with letting others join in, if that's a concern. And you DEFINITELY don't need to worry about a camera for video. All people care about is the presenter's screen and voice. Not trying to be pushy, but that just sounds like a great session, so it would be wonderful to see it recorded. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gareth Edwards Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:27 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Doubt it Charlie. We have used Connect in the past to do an online user group presentation. I don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content. Cheers Gareth. Charlie Arehart wrote: Hey, Barry, will you be recording this using the free Acrobat Connect account that Adobe permits user groups to use? If you guys need any help being able to that, just let me know. This sounds like a very compelling presentation. :-) /Charlie -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
Microsoft would commit to holding an Adobe user group at one of there offices? with no strings attached? Brisbane HQ? Is that in the City? Cheers Gareth. Scott Barnes wrote: Well... these meetings could be hosted inside Microsoft's swisho theatres at brisbane hq - broadband, pizza and beer :) I will buy your love hows that :) On 3/12/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry and I discussed it off-list. They have a common problem, working in a place where they don't have wireless access, and while there's a computer in the room which does have net access, it belongs to the facility and they don't want any software installed, so the presenters instead just plug their laptops into the projector. All that makes recording using tools like Breeze/Connect/LiveMeeting impossible. We did discuss options for recording "off-line", using tools such as Camtasia, CamStudio, and so on. He will consider those, but then you're talking about installing s/w on the presenter's laptops, and they have to have time to become familiar to do the recording, plus they would be big (though both the above can compress to SWF when done). Then you have to find a place to host the recordings, and I recommended Google video, which has no time limit like youtube and aol video. We shall see if they can do it. I'll understand if they can't. I'll be writing all this up in a blog entry to offer the suggestions to other CFUG organizers. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:18 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Yeah record it damnz it ... I could offer up office live recordings lol... Barry: You've got the mics, I can go out tommorow and grab a decent web cam? On 3/10/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to give up too easily. :-) When you say you "don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content", what do you mean? Do you really mean something about the content? Or the typical presenter's setup? Or the environment? I mean, if you've got a laptop with a mic, and an internet connection, that's all you need. You start the meeting in Connect, and hit record. You don't need to bother with letting others join in, if that's a concern. And you DEFINITELY don't need to worry about a camera for video. All people care about is the presenter's screen and voice. Not trying to be pushy, but that just sounds like a great session, so it would be wonderful to see it recorded. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gareth Edwards Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:27 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Doubt it Charlie. We have used Connect in the past to do an online user group presentation. I don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content. Cheers Gareth. Charlie Arehart wrote: Hey, Barry, will you be recording this using the free Acrobat Connect account that Adobe permits user groups to use? If you guys need any help being able to that, just let me know. This sounds like a very compelling presentation. :-) /Charlie -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
Without this turning into another rampant Microsoft vs Adobe topic. I like Microsoft and like their product, but I don't think holding it at Microsoft is appropriate. There is no good reason I can think of that Microsoft would allow this except for the obvious. Try contacting Adobe and see if they have an office you could use. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gareth Edwards Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2007 8:37 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Microsoft would commit to holding an Adobe user group at one of there offices? with no strings attached? Brisbane HQ? Is that in the City? Cheers Gareth. Scott Barnes wrote: Well... these meetings could be hosted inside Microsoft's swisho theatres at brisbane hq - broadband, pizza and beer :) I will buy your love hows that :) On 3/12/07, Charlie Arehart mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry and I discussed it off-list. They have a common problem, working in a place where they don't have wireless access, and while there's a computer in the room which does have net access, it belongs to the facility and they don't want any software installed, so the presenters instead just plug their laptops into the projector. All that makes recording using tools like Breeze/Connect/LiveMeeting impossible. We did discuss options for recording off-line, using tools such as Camtasia, CamStudio, and so on. He will consider those, but then you're talking about installing s/w on the presenter's laptops, and they have to have time to become familiar to do the recording, plus they would be big (though both the above can compress to SWF when done). Then you have to find a place to host the recordings, and I recommended Google video, which has no time limit like youtube and aol video. We shall see if they can do it. I'll understand if they can't. I'll be writing all this up in a blog entry to offer the suggestions to other CFUG organizers. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:18 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Yeah record it damnz it ... I could offer up office live recordings lol... Barry: You've got the mics, I can go out tommorow and grab a decent web cam? On 3/10/07, Charlie Arehart mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to give up too easily. :-) When you say you don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content, what do you mean? Do you really mean something about the content? Or the typical presenter's setup? Or the environment? I mean, if you've got a laptop with a mic, and an internet connection, that's all you need. You start the meeting in Connect, and hit record. You don't need to bother with letting others join in, if that's a concern. And you DEFINITELY don't need to worry about a camera for video. All people care about is the presenter's screen and voice. Not trying to be pushy, but that just sounds like a great session, so it would be wonderful to see it recorded. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gareth Edwards Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:27 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Doubt it Charlie. We have used Connect in the past to do an online user group presentation. I don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content. Cheers Gareth. Charlie Arehart wrote: Hey, Barry, will you be recording this using the free Acrobat Connect account that Adobe permits user groups to use? If you guys need any help being able to that, just let me know. This sounds like a very compelling presentation. :-) /Charlie -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
I was more curious that Microsoft would be willing? But I'm curious, why do you think holding it at Microsoft would be a bad idea? How many people on this list use Microsoft SQL Server? How many people on this list use Windows XP ? Microsoft going after the similar markets as Adobe is a bit of a worry, but maybe having it at Microsoft would expose more Microsoft people to the wonders of Adobe? Provided there are no strings attached, its just another venue. Not saying QLD CFUG will ever be held at Microsoft, but who knows? Anyway, I think the current location is great. Cheers Gareth. Dale Fraser wrote: Without this turning into another rampant Microsoft vs Adobe topic. I like Microsoft and like their product, but I dont think holding it at Microsoft is appropriate. There is no good reason I can think of that Microsoft would allow this except for the obvious. Try contacting Adobe and see if they have an office you could use. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gareth Edwards Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2007 8:37 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Microsoft would commit to holding an Adobe user group at one of there offices? with no strings attached? Brisbane HQ? Is that in the City? Cheers Gareth. Scott Barnes wrote: Well... these meetings could be hosted inside Microsoft's swisho theatres at brisbane hq - broadband, pizza and beer :) I will buy your love hows that :) On 3/12/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry and I discussed it off-list. They have a common problem, working in a place where they don't have wireless access, and while there's a computer in the room which does have net access, it belongs to the facility and they don't want any software installed, so the presenters instead just plug their laptops into the projector. All that makes recording using tools like Breeze/Connect/LiveMeeting impossible. We did discuss options for recording "off-line", using tools such as Camtasia, CamStudio, and so on. He will consider those, but then you're talking about installing s/w on the presenter's laptops, and they have to have time to become familiar to do the recording, plus they would be big (though both the above can compress to SWF when done). Then you have to find a place to host the recordings, and I recommended Google video, which has no time limit like youtube and aol video. We shall see if they can do it. I'll understand if they can't. I'll be writing all this up in a blog entry to offer the suggestions to other CFUG organizers. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:18 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Yeah record it damnz it ... I could offer up office live recordings lol... Barry: You've got the mics, I can go out tommorow and grab a decent web cam? On 3/10/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to give up too easily. :-) When you say you "don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content", what do you mean? Do you really mean something about the content? Or the typical presenter's setup? Or the environment? I mean, if you've got a laptop with a mic, and an internet connection, that's all you need. You start the meeting in Connect, and hit record. You don't need to bother with letting others join in, if that's a concern. And you DEFINITELY don't need to worry about a camera for video. All people care about is the presenter's screen and voice. Not trying to be pushy, but that just sounds like a great session, so it would be wonderful to see it recorded. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gareth Edwards Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:27 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Doubt it Charlie. We have used Connect in the past to do an online user group presentation. I don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content. Cheers Gareth. Charlie Arehart wrote: Hey, Barry, will you be recording this using the free Acrobat Connect account that Adobe permits user groups to use? If you guys
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
Odd's are someone microsoft employee would ask what features are in the next cf? answer: nothing we aren't allowed to talk about it thats the major issue I have with adobe, they should let us know months in advance what features there products will have, then we can make plans months in advance --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
What strings are you expecting them to attach? Of course Microsoft have an Agenda. But why do we care? We all know that Microsoft want to schmooze developers to maintain their market share - but really, why do we care? Schmooze me! Give me some swag, broadband and beer. Its not going to change my professional assessment of their products. That's going to continue to be based on an active assessment of their products, not the marketing crap. But I'm still perfectly happy to take their freebies as offered. I don't really expect the M$ Gestappo to show up and brand us as Adobe fans and ship us off to ghetto's for .Net lessons. And if they start pressuring presenters over content? We'll move the UG somewhere else. On 3/13/07, Gareth Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft would commit to holding an Adobe user group at one of there offices? with no strings attached? Brisbane HQ? Is that in the City? Cheers Gareth. Scott Barnes wrote: Well... these meetings could be hosted inside Microsoft's swisho theatres at brisbane hq - broadband, pizza and beer :) I will buy your love hows that :) On 3/12/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry and I discussed it off-list. They have a common problem, working in a place where they don't have wireless access, and while there's a computer in the room which does have net access, it belongs to the facility and they don't want any software installed, so the presenters instead just plug their laptops into the projector. All that makes recording using tools like Breeze/Connect/LiveMeeting impossible. We did discuss options for recording off-line, using tools such as Camtasia, CamStudio, and so on. He will consider those, but then you're talking about installing s/w on the presenter's laptops, and they have to have time to become familiar to do the recording, plus they would be big (though both the above can compress to SWF when done). Then you have to find a place to host the recordings, and I recommended Google video, which has no time limit like youtube and aol video. We shall see if they can do it. I'll understand if they can't. I'll be writing all this up in a blog entry to offer the suggestions to other CFUG organizers. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:18 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Yeah record it damnz it ... I could offer up office live recordings lol... Barry: You've got the mics, I can go out tommorow and grab a decent web cam? On 3/10/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to give up too easily. :-) When you say you don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content, what do you mean? Do you really mean something about the content? Or the typical presenter's setup? Or the environment? I mean, if you've got a laptop with a mic, and an internet connection, that's all you need. You start the meeting in Connect, and hit record. You don't need to bother with letting others join in, if that's a concern. And you DEFINITELY don't need to worry about a camera for video. All people care about is the presenter's screen and voice. Not trying to be pushy, but that just sounds like a great session, so it would be wonderful to see it recorded. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gareth Edwards Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:27 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Doubt it Charlie. We have used Connect in the past to do an online user group presentation. I don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content. Cheers Gareth. Charlie Arehart wrote: Hey, Barry, will you be recording this using the free Acrobat Connect account that Adobe permits user groups to use? If you guys need any help being able to that, just let me know. This sounds like a very compelling presentation. :-) /Charlie -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com -- Cheers Sean Bucklar [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
We care because of the agenda. If Microsoft want to just help CF community with the agenda to just push SQL and other complimentary products to CF then that would be fine. If the agenda is to push competing products then I think it's not appropriate and Adobe would be silly to allow this. .NET has some compelling arguments, if half the CF community move to it as a result of MS push then we care Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Bucklar Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:27 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. What strings are you expecting them to attach? Of course Microsoft have an Agenda. But why do we care? We all know that Microsoft want to schmooze developers to maintain their market share - but really, why do we care? Schmooze me! Give me some swag, broadband and beer. Its not going to change my professional assessment of their products. That's going to continue to be based on an active assessment of their products, not the marketing crap. But I'm still perfectly happy to take their freebies as offered. I don't really expect the M$ Gestappo to show up and brand us as Adobe fans and ship us off to ghetto's for .Net lessons. And if they start pressuring presenters over content? We'll move the UG somewhere else. On 3/13/07, Gareth Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft would commit to holding an Adobe user group at one of there offices? with no strings attached? Brisbane HQ? Is that in the City? Cheers Gareth. Scott Barnes wrote: Well... these meetings could be hosted inside Microsoft's swisho theatres at brisbane hq - broadband, pizza and beer :) I will buy your love hows that :) On 3/12/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry and I discussed it off-list. They have a common problem, working in a place where they don't have wireless access, and while there's a computer in the room which does have net access, it belongs to the facility and they don't want any software installed, so the presenters instead just plug their laptops into the projector. All that makes recording using tools like Breeze/Connect/LiveMeeting impossible. We did discuss options for recording off-line, using tools such as Camtasia, CamStudio, and so on. He will consider those, but then you're talking about installing s/w on the presenter's laptops, and they have to have time to become familiar to do the recording, plus they would be big (though both the above can compress to SWF when done). Then you have to find a place to host the recordings, and I recommended Google video, which has no time limit like youtube and aol video. We shall see if they can do it. I'll understand if they can't. I'll be writing all this up in a blog entry to offer the suggestions to other CFUG organizers. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:18 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Yeah record it damnz it ... I could offer up office live recordings lol... Barry: You've got the mics, I can go out tommorow and grab a decent web cam? On 3/10/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to give up too easily. :-) When you say you don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content, what do you mean? Do you really mean something about the content? Or the typical presenter's setup? Or the environment? I mean, if you've got a laptop with a mic, and an internet connection, that's all you need. You start the meeting in Connect, and hit record. You don't need to bother with letting others join in, if that's a concern. And you DEFINITELY don't need to worry about a camera for video. All people care about is the presenter's screen and voice. Not trying to be pushy, but that just sounds like a great session, so it would be wonderful to see it recorded. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gareth Edwards Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:27 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Doubt it Charlie. We have used Connect in the past to do an online user group presentation. I don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content. Cheers Gareth. Charlie Arehart wrote: Hey, Barry, will you be recording this using the free Acrobat Connect account that Adobe permits user groups to use? If you guys need any help being able to that, just let me know. This sounds like a very compelling presentation. :-) /Charlie -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
Wait... They might tell us something we want to hear? They might provide us with useful information? That's not a compelling argument for me to stay away from them. I'm not an Adobe employee or shareholder. I have no commitment to their brand beyond what the strength of their product dictates. I'm on the list and interested in the UG's because hey - I think the product is pretty strong. But I'm certainly not going to put my fingers in my ears and avoid other ideas because they might be compelling. End of the day - I'm going to use the best tool for my requirements and project constraints. 90% of the time for me thats Cold Fusion, in combination with Microsoft Databases or Microsoft Servers, to deliver services to users on Microsoft workstations using Microsoft Browsers. I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of things Microsoft could say to me that would be useful and interesting - that wouldn't require any significant changes in my platform. But if they did have something to say that persuaded half the CF community to shift to .net? That would be a big screaming sign to me that I should go look at this .Net crap a bit more closely. Because nothing I've seen about the platform should be that persuasive. And if they have that kind of persuasion available - where we hold the UG won't matter a bit. On 3/13/07, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We care because of the agenda. If Microsoft want to just help CF community with the agenda to just push SQL and other complimentary products to CF then that would be fine. If the agenda is to push competing products then I think it's not appropriate and Adobe would be silly to allow this. .NET has some compelling arguments, if half the CF community move to it as a result of MS push then we care Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Bucklar Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:27 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. What strings are you expecting them to attach? Of course Microsoft have an Agenda. But why do we care? We all know that Microsoft want to schmooze developers to maintain their market share - but really, why do we care? Schmooze me! Give me some swag, broadband and beer. Its not going to change my professional assessment of their products. That's going to continue to be based on an active assessment of their products, not the marketing crap. But I'm still perfectly happy to take their freebies as offered. I don't really expect the M$ Gestappo to show up and brand us as Adobe fans and ship us off to ghetto's for .Net lessons. And if they start pressuring presenters over content? We'll move the UG somewhere else. On 3/13/07, Gareth Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft would commit to holding an Adobe user group at one of there offices? with no strings attached? Brisbane HQ? Is that in the City? Cheers Gareth. Scott Barnes wrote: Well... these meetings could be hosted inside Microsoft's swisho theatres at brisbane hq - broadband, pizza and beer :) I will buy your love hows that :) On 3/12/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry and I discussed it off-list. They have a common problem, working in a place where they don't have wireless access, and while there's a computer in the room which does have net access, it belongs to the facility and they don't want any software installed, so the presenters instead just plug their laptops into the projector. All that makes recording using tools like Breeze/Connect/LiveMeeting impossible. We did discuss options for recording off-line, using tools such as Camtasia, CamStudio, and so on. He will consider those, but then you're talking about installing s/w on the presenter's laptops, and they have to have time to become familiar to do the recording, plus they would be big (though both the above can compress to SWF when done). Then you have to find a place to host the recordings, and I recommended Google video, which has no time limit like youtube and aol video. We shall see if they can do it. I'll understand if they can't. I'll be writing all this up in a blog entry to offer the suggestions to other CFUG organizers. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:18 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Yeah record it damnz it ... I could offer up office live recordings lol... Barry: You've got the mics, I can go out tommorow and grab a decent web cam? On 3/10/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to give up too easily. :-) When you say you don't think it is really practical
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*LOL*, That's how Microsoft spend the outrages prices on Vista, outside of the USA:-) Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Monday, 12 March 2007 9:36 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Well... these meetings could be hosted inside Microsoft's swisho theatres at brisbane hq - broadband, pizza and beer :) I will buy your love hows that :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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On 3/12/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry and I discussed it off-list. They have a common problem, working in a place where they don't have wireless access, and while there's a computer in the room which does have net access, it belongs to the facility and they don't want any software installed, so the presenters instead just plug their laptops into the projector. All that makes recording using tools like Breeze/Connect/LiveMeeting impossible. What's wrong with plugging the internet cable into the presenters laptop? Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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If the agenda is to push competing products then I think it's not appropriate and Adobe would be silly to allow this. Hold on - Adobe don't run the user groups so they are not really in any position to allow or disallow anything. Gruden is an Abobe partner, but I still think that Scott's suggestion *in this case* has merit and should be appreciated. If MS turned this CFUG meeting into a MSathon then I don't think anyone would go back. But if they just provide the facilities - good for them. If they get some good will out of it - so what. In Sydney Red Square, one of our competitors, used to provide the venue for the CFUG - I had nothing but respect for them doing this. Daemon, another competitor ran CFAussie and a number of other lists for years. I imagine they were doing this stuff for two reasons - to promote their businesses and to help foster the community. Good for them - I respect their motives and which that I had more time and energy to do similar. At the end of the day the community won - and that's a good thing. As for the argument that MS might learn something at the meeting and get some unfair commercial advantage - it's a public meeting. Anyone can go no matter where it is held. Despite Barry's gushing words at the start of this thread you're not about to hear Adobe's deepest darkest secrets at this meeting. Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltd http://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Mark Stanton wrote: *snip* If MS turned this CFUG meeting into a MSathon then I don't think anyone would go back. *snip* And we could start a riot! -- Haikal Saadh Applications Programmer ICT Resources, TALSS QUT Kelvin Grove --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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I actually think that it is a reasonably brave move on the part MS. By trying to engage the Adobe community they are showing it a lot of respect (normally when you're ignored it caus nobody cares 'bout ya) which is not something we have seen in the past. Outside of some initial reservations about the gray line around when something becomes a sales pitch or not and the forum for presenting them, I do see some benefits from the MS interactions. For me it means when some people (IT people who argue that its not MS so we wont use it) ask about CF or Flex or Adobe we can at least point them to the fact that MS believe the technology to be really good and have a lot of synergy with .Net etc., so much so they even hold the usergroups meetings might have some value. We hold the NZ usergroup meetings in our offices and if we tried to push our products on anyone attending we wouldn't get too many the next time and I'm sure MS recognise this and would act accordingly. GS On Mar 13, 4:28 pm, Mark Stanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the agenda is to push competing products then I think it's not appropriate and Adobe would be silly to allow this. Hold on - Adobe don't run the user groups so they are not really in any position to allow or disallow anything. Gruden is an Abobe partner, but I still think that Scott's suggestion *in this case* has merit and should be appreciated. If MS turned this CFUG meeting into a MSathon then I don't think anyone would go back. But if they just provide the facilities - good for them. If they get some good will out of it - so what. In Sydney Red Square, one of our competitors, used to provide the venue for the CFUG - I had nothing but respect for them doing this. Daemon, another competitor ran CFAussie and a number of other lists for years. I imagine they were doing this stuff for two reasons - to promote their businesses and to help foster the community. Good for them - I respect their motives and which that I had more time and energy to do similar. At the end of the day the community won - and that's a good thing. As for the argument that MS might learn something at the meeting and get some unfair commercial advantage - it's a public meeting. Anyone can go no matter where it is held. Despite Barry's gushing words at the start of this thread you're not about to hear Adobe's deepest darkest secrets at this meeting. Cheers Mark -- Mark Stanton Gruden Pty Ltdhttp://www.gruden.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Agreed There is a lot one can learn with the interaction between different applications, and although I can't say too much. I am developing an application now that is written in .Net, but will be leveraged from Coldfusion there is about 40% coldfusion code compared to 60% .Net code, but will make some work easier in the near future when it comes to reports. And with the advent of WPF, there can be some more leverage made there too. Make a sales pitch at me, and you'll have an enemy for life. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grant Straker Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2007 2:52 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. I actually think that it is a reasonably brave move on the part MS. By trying to engage the Adobe community they are showing it a lot of respect (normally when you're ignored it caus nobody cares 'bout ya) which is not something we have seen in the past. Outside of some initial reservations about the gray line around when something becomes a sales pitch or not and the forum for presenting them, I do see some benefits from the MS interactions. For me it means when some people (IT people who argue that its not MS so we wont use it) ask about CF or Flex or Adobe we can at least point them to the fact that MS believe the technology to be really good and have a lot of synergy with .Net etc., so much so they even hold the usergroups meetings might have some value. We hold the NZ usergroup meetings in our offices and if we tried to push our products on anyone attending we wouldn't get too many the next time and I'm sure MS recognise this and would act accordingly. GS --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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WOAH! I really gotta stop this whole thread now and clarify some points. firstly, we (the QLD CFUG) are guests at the venue so we respect the fact we're there on their blessing. They are a business that we dare not interfere with. If down the track we can organise a Breezo out of there (recorded or otherwise), great, but the CFUG has officially only had 2 meetings there before so it's still early days to push the envelope, and as it is we've got swapping of laptops etc so it'll always be a bit rock'n'roll to pull off. secondly, we appreciate the efforts of the people who turn up in person and our efforts will always put them first, over any potential nebulous virtual attendees or future viewers. We've run virtual meetings before (thanx again, Mark Mandel and others) but bums on seats shows a commitment we need to support. lastly, the reason the user groups are there is a conscious decision that has nothing to do with branding, Microsoft, Adobe or otherwise. Three user groups use this private multimedia training organisation to host the meetings: QMUG with Richard Turner-Jones CFUG and the new FlashPlatform U.G Out of the people involved with the groups now, it was Richard that started using this venue first and he and I both used to teach there for a number of years a while back. Ever since we've kept in contact with kind and committed people working there (G'day Sarah, Bryn) because we all share a common goal - education. Use the knowledge and pass it on. this is directly related to a long-winded and controversial CFJOBS thread that Darren Tracey (QLD.CFUG manager) started a while ago about training and where the next lot of CF people are coming from (anyone remember the thread? it was a bit of an epic with many joining in with 2c worth). Just as this years CFUG members will be next years managers or Application Architects or consultants, so this years students will be next years junior developers. Without forcing anything down anyone's throat, this is a conscious effort to be available to students if they're interested. We *could* continue the idea and hold the meetings at the university I work for but to be honest, where they're held at present is logistically superior and the dedicated souls on the inside make our job of putting on the meetings a lot easier. I won't be presumptuous and speak for Richard but as a former teacher I feel heartened when students join in and participate, because the next step is ownership and a changing of the guard. That which is unyielding is easily broken. So, hang me from the highest yard-arm if you must, for lining up the ducks to make this happen. I'm not thinking of today with allegiances and branding and marketing. I'm thinking of tomorrow and having something worth passing on - we (the old guard) won't be there forever. over and out barry.b --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Yeah record it damnz it ... I could offer up office live recordings lol... Barry: You've got the mics, I can go out tommorow and grab a decent web cam? On 3/10/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to give up too easily. :-) When you say you don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content, what do you mean? Do you really mean something about the content? Or the typical presenter's setup? Or the environment? I mean, if you've got a laptop with a mic, and an internet connection, that's all you need. You start the meeting in Connect, and hit record. You don't need to bother with letting others join in, if that's a concern. And you DEFINITELY don't need to worry about a camera for video. All people care about is the presenter's screen and voice. Not trying to be pushy, but that just sounds like a great session, so it would be wonderful to see it recorded. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gareth Edwards Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:27 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Doubt it Charlie. We have used Connect in the past to do an online user group presentation. I don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content. Cheers Gareth. Charlie Arehart wrote: Hey, Barry, will you be recording this using the free Acrobat Connect account that Adobe permits user groups to use? If you guys need any help being able to that, just let me know. This sounds like a very compelling presentation. :-) /Charlie -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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Barry and I discussed it off-list. They have a common problem, working in a place where they don't have wireless access, and while there's a computer in the room which does have net access, it belongs to the facility and they don't want any software installed, so the presenters instead just plug their laptops into the projector. All that makes recording using tools like Breeze/Connect/LiveMeeting impossible. We did discuss options for recording off-line, using tools such as Camtasia, CamStudio, and so on. He will consider those, but then you're talking about installing s/w on the presenter's laptops, and they have to have time to become familiar to do the recording, plus they would be big (though both the above can compress to SWF when done). Then you have to find a place to host the recordings, and I recommended Google video, which has no time limit like youtube and aol video. We shall see if they can do it. I'll understand if they can't. I'll be writing all this up in a blog entry to offer the suggestions to other CFUG organizers. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 5:18 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Yeah record it damnz it ... I could offer up office live recordings lol... Barry: You've got the mics, I can go out tommorow and grab a decent web cam? On 3/10/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to give up too easily. :-) When you say you don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content, what do you mean? Do you really mean something about the content? Or the typical presenter's setup? Or the environment? I mean, if you've got a laptop with a mic, and an internet connection, that's all you need. You start the meeting in Connect, and hit record. You don't need to bother with letting others join in, if that's a concern. And you DEFINITELY don't need to worry about a camera for video. All people care about is the presenter's screen and voice. Not trying to be pushy, but that just sounds like a great session, so it would be wonderful to see it recorded. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gareth Edwards Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:27 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Doubt it Charlie. We have used Connect in the past to do an online user group presentation. I don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content. Cheers Gareth. Charlie Arehart wrote: Hey, Barry, will you be recording this using the free Acrobat Connect account that Adobe permits user groups to use? If you guys need any help being able to that, just let me know. This sounds like a very compelling presentation. :-) /Charlie -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
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I'll fill you in offlist, Charlie... b On 3/10/07, Charlie Arehart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to give up too easily. :-) When you say you don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content, what do you mean? Do you really mean something about the content? Or the typical presenter's setup? Or the environment? I mean, if you've got a laptop with a mic, and an internet connection, that's all you need. You start the meeting in Connect, and hit record. You don't need to bother with letting others join in, if that's a concern. And you DEFINITELY don't need to worry about a camera for video. All people care about is the presenter's screen and voice. Not trying to be pushy, but that just sounds like a great session, so it would be wonderful to see it recorded. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gareth Edwards Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:27 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Doubt it Charlie. We have used Connect in the past to do an online user group presentation. I don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content. Cheers Gareth. Charlie Arehart wrote: Hey, Barry, will you be recording this using the free Acrobat Connect account that Adobe permits user groups to use? If you guys need any help being able to that, just let me know. This sounds like a very compelling presentation. :-) /Charlie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
Doubt it Charlie. We have used Connect in the past to do an online user group presentation. I don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content. Cheers Gareth. Charlie Arehart wrote: Hey, Barry, will you be recording this using the free Acrobat Connect account that Adobe permits user groups to use? If you guys need any help being able to that, just let me know. This sounds like a very compelling presentation. :-) /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:33 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. WOW! this looks like a big meeting for this months Queensland CFUG and is bound to be a not to be missed event. Why? Because we're all gearing up for the next version of ColdFusion: CF8, which is currently known (or so we're told) as Scorpio. but it's in beta! you say and none can say what's in it for fear of Saurons spies finding out there's lots to find out, believe it or not, if you know where to look. We have our super-sleuth detectives hard at work, reading between the lines in press releases, unraveling the red herrings, leaving no unturned stone... er, unturned (wha-tever!) to prove the point, we've even tracked down a date it'll be released http://www.numtopia.com/terry/blog/archives/2007/03/scorpio_in_august.cfm (and there's other reasons of the suggested date that didn't make it to the comments - come along and find out why) So join us this Wednesday's CFUG and discover the secrets to Dan Brown's unwritten mystery thriller... The Scorpio Code [any references to actual deities or prophets, living or dead, is purely coincidental...] Also this month, we'll be giving the subject of Flex and Coldfusion Data-typing a darn good shake with full demonstrations and seeing what's happening behind the scenes. What works? what's doesn't? and is wishful thinking? guaranteed to save you time putting a Flex front end to your ColdFusion server code. And, as this will be the CFUG's pre-WebDU meeting for this year, we'll be looking at what's on offer at WebDU, how to try and survive wanting to be in three WebDU sessions at the same time - and how to still get something out of it if the boss still refuses to let you go. so, if you're not already a member, sign up to the QLD CFUG usergroup http://groups.google.com/group/qldcfug/ and that will give us your RSVP so you can go into the prize draw (and ensure we do a good job on catering) - we hope to see you there cheers The QLD CFUG crew. Meeting Details: 6:30 pm - ?, Wednesday, 14th March 2007 If doors are locked, call 0414 328 902 for entry QANTM Auditorium QANTM House Level 9, 138 Albert St Brisbane City (Opposite the Coffee Club) Find it on WHEREIS: http://www.whereis.com/whereis/retrieveEmailMap.do?linkId=-;7243212240990709 884 Find it on Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=138+Albert+St,+City+QLD+4000,+Austra liaie=UTF8sll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=28.168051,68.90625z=17om=1iwloc=a ddr --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
I don't want to give up too easily. :-) When you say you don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content, what do you mean? Do you really mean something about the content? Or the typical presenter's setup? Or the environment? I mean, if you've got a laptop with a mic, and an internet connection, that's all you need. You start the meeting in Connect, and hit record. You don't need to bother with letting others join in, if that's a concern. And you DEFINITELY don't need to worry about a camera for video. All people care about is the presenter's screen and voice. Not trying to be pushy, but that just sounds like a great session, so it would be wonderful to see it recorded. /Charlie http://www.carehart.org/ -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gareth Edwards Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 4:27 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement. Doubt it Charlie. We have used Connect in the past to do an online user group presentation. I don't think it is really practical to record our user group meeting's content. Cheers Gareth. Charlie Arehart wrote: Hey, Barry, will you be recording this using the free Acrobat Connect account that Adobe permits user groups to use? If you guys need any help being able to that, just let me know. This sounds like a very compelling presentation. :-) /Charlie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
You're just too cool for school Barry :) On 3/9/07, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WOW! this looks like a big meeting for this months Queensland CFUG and is bound to be a not to be missed event. Why? Because we're all gearing up for the next version of ColdFusion: CF8, which is currently known (or so we're told) as Scorpio. but it's in beta! you say and none can say what's in it for fear of Saurons spies finding out there's lots to find out, believe it or not, if you know where to look. We have our super-sleuth detectives hard at work, reading between the lines in press releases, unraveling the red herrings, leaving no unturned stone... er, unturned (wha-tever!) to prove the point, we've even tracked down a date it'll be released http://www.numtopia.com/terry/blog/archives/2007/03/scorpio_in_august.cfm (and there's other reasons of the suggested date that didn't make it to the comments - come along and find out why) So join us this Wednesday's CFUG and discover the secrets to Dan Brown's unwritten mystery thriller... The Scorpio Code [any references to actual deities or prophets, living or dead, is purely coincidental...] Also this month, we'll be giving the subject of Flex and Coldfusion Data-typing a darn good shake with full demonstrations and seeing what's happening behind the scenes. What works? what's doesn't? and is wishful thinking? guaranteed to save you time putting a Flex front end to your ColdFusion server code. And, as this will be the CFUG's pre-WebDU meeting for this year, we'll be looking at what's on offer at WebDU, how to try and survive wanting to be in three WebDU sessions at the same time - and how to still get something out of it if the boss still refuses to let you go. so, if you're not already a member, sign up to the QLD CFUG usergroup http://groups.google.com/group/qldcfug/ and that will give us your RSVP so you can go into the prize draw (and ensure we do a good job on catering) - we hope to see you there cheers The QLD CFUG crew. Meeting Details: 6:30 pm - ?, Wednesday, 14th March 2007 If doors are locked, call 0414 328 902 for entry QANTM Auditorium QANTM House Level 9, 138 Albert St Brisbane City (Opposite the Coffee Club) Find it on WHEREIS: http://www.whereis.com/whereis/retrieveEmailMap.do?linkId=-;7243212240990709884 Find it on Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=138+Albert+St,+City+QLD+4000,+Australiaie=UTF8sll=37.0625,-95.677068sspn=28.168051,68.90625z=17om=1iwloc=addr -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: QLD CFUG March meeting announcement.
The QLD meetings have been awesome - at least the few I managed to visit when in QLD. The camaraderie is hard to beat. A few drinks and pizza - never got that sort of stuff for my UG unfortunately. The sheer depth of presentations, at QLDCFUG, and the varying uses of technology (then Macromedia now Adobe) was amazing. And they manage to get gurus like Tim Buntel for meetings too - that was way back for MX7. And here we are on the verge of so many new Adobe coolness it hurts. Best I have managed was a Saturday phone call from Charlie Arehart from San Francisco. But that was a great conversation at least. I wish I had more help with our UG as the work is building up and sleep is becoming a luxury. So I won't WebDU 2007 (still paying for last year when I shouted a mate lol) but for those that are - enjoy! Maybe next year! -- Peter Tilbrook ColdGen Internet Solutions President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group PO Box 2247 Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA http://www.coldgen.com/ http://www.actcfug.com/ Tel: +61-2-6284-2727 Mob: +61-0432-897-437 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Messenger Live: Desktop General --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
