Re: [ChurchillChat] Re: Whisky and Soda

2018-03-07 Thread Andrew Edlin 
This is a variation on the King George the Second story, when his choice of 
General James Wolfe was questioned on the basis that Wolfe was mad, saying ‘Mad 
is he? Then I wish he would bite some of my other generals’

On Mar 7, 2018, at 4:37 PM, Jonathan Hayes  wrote:

Another comment on this thread.  The story (probably apocryphal) is that 
someone complained to President Lincoln that he thought General Grant drank too 
much.  Lincoln replied "Find out what kind he drinks and send a barrel to each 
of my other generals."

Jonathan Hayes


From: Richard Langworth 
To: ChurchillChat  
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 5:13 AM
Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: Whisky and Soda

Gents, I would only point out that to portray accurately the "Papa Cocktail" 
would have been to make it look like he was drinking water--which he would 
regard as even more preposterous. The filmmakers have to be given a little 
leeway.

The things he said about drinking water were even more censorious than what he 
said about drinking neat whisky. You've heard the story of the visit by two 
Mormons, to whom he offered sherry. "May I have water, Sir Winston? Lions drink 
it." WSC: "Asses drink it too."

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Re: [ChurchillChat] Re: Whisky and Soda

2018-03-07 Thread Jonathan Hayes 
Another comment on this thread.  The story (probably apocryphal) is that 
someone complained to President Lincoln that he thought General Grant drank too 
much.  Lincoln replied "Find out what kind he drinks and send a barrel to each 
of my other generals."
Jonathan Hayes


  From: Richard Langworth 
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 Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 5:13 AM
 Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: Whisky and Soda
   
Gents, I would only point out that to portray accurately the "Papa Cocktail" 
would have been to make it look like he was drinking water--which he would 
regard as even more preposterous. The filmmakers have to be given a little 
leeway.
The things he said about drinking water were even more censorious than what he 
said about drinking neat whisky. You've heard the story of the visit by two 
Mormons, to whom he offered sherry. "May I have water, Sir Winston? Lions drink 
it." WSC: "Asses drink it too."
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Re: [ChurchillChat] Re: Whisky and Soda

2018-03-07 Thread Jonathan Hayes 
To call someone a "sot" was a form of cheap shot in Churchill's day.  It meant 
(a) the person accused had been known to partake in one of civilization's great 
pleasures, (b) the accuser didn't like the accused and could claim he stole the 
wheels off baby buggies.  Every age has its preferred canard, doesn't it?


  From: Richard Langworth 
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 Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 5:13 AM
 Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: Whisky and Soda
   
Gents, I would only point out that to portray accurately the "Papa Cocktail" 
would have been to make it look like he was drinking water--which he would 
regard as even more preposterous. The filmmakers have to be given a little 
leeway.
The things he said about drinking water were even more censorious than what he 
said about drinking neat whisky. You've heard the story of the visit by two 
Mormons, to whom he offered sherry. "May I have water, Sir Winston? Lions drink 
it." WSC: "Asses drink it too."
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RE: [ChurchillChat] Whisky and Soda

2018-03-07 Thread Terry Reardon 
Not quite pertinent to the current discussion, but: during the 2005 Conference 
in Quebec City, Lady Soames was asked to comment on her Father’s alcohol 
consumption – “He drank too much. Next question.”

 

Terry Reardon

 

From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of David Riddle
Sent: March 7, 2018 8:02 AM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Whisky and Soda

 

In response to this thread, as a past Volunteer at Chartwell I can add that a 
glass of poured whisky is displayed there in Sir Winston’s Art Studio. It is a 
very specific, pale colour exactly as he took it because on one of her fairly 
regular visits to Chartwell before she passed away, Lady Mary Soames apparently 
complained that what was on display was too dark/strong. She offered to prepare 
a tipple to his usual specification, and it is this sample that has been 
maintained today with the aid of a thin layer of oil to prevent evaporation!

 

I hope this is of interest to members.

 

David Riddle

Mobile: 07966 472340

Sent from my iPhone


On 7 Mar 2018, at 07:53, johnmather via ChurchillChat 
 > wrote:

Dear Larry,

 

Spot on. Lady Mary Soames kindly showed me how she and others prepared WSC's 
whisky-soda.  It is a matter of speculation how so little whisky might have 
been partially medicinal in dilating his coronary arteries.  Then the the whole 
issue of whether WSC was actually an alcoholic rages on.  The film did 
highlight that many of his colleagues did think of him as a "sot".  The third 
volume of Manchester's biography has his alcoholism and depression back to 
front. We only know of one episode when WSC was the worse for drink. Lord 
Alanbrooke had it all wrong in is observation.  This was not when WSC was 
mightily tiddly.

 

John H. Mather MD.

 

In a message dated 3/6/2018 3:58:47 PM Central Standard Time, 
homepor...@gmail.com   writes: 

 

I thoroughly enjoyed Darkest Hour in spite of the artist license taken that has 
been previously discussed. Did anyone else notice that in the various scenes 
where Churchill was drinking whisky, he was portrayed as drinking it neat--the 
rich scotch color prominent in his glass? This goes along with the 
misperception of the uninformed that he was an alcoholic. Churchill usually 
drank weak whisky and sodas (a splash of whisky and a predominance of soda, all 
without ice) and the color of the libation in the glass should have reflected 
this. As the sun is over the yardarm somewhere in the world, I think it might 
be nice to emulate the great man at this moment. Cheers.

Larry Kryske
la...@yourfinesthour.com  
Author of CHURCHILL Without Blood, Sweat, or Tears (now available from online 
booksellers)

 

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[ChurchillChat] Re: Whisky and Soda

2018-03-07 Thread Richard Langworth 
Gents, I would only point out that to portray accurately the "Papa 
Cocktail" would have been to make it look like he was drinking water--which 
he would regard as even more preposterous. The filmmakers have to be given 
a little leeway.

The things he said about drinking water were even more censorious than what 
he said about drinking neat whisky. You've heard the story of the visit by 
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Lions drink it." WSC: "Asses drink it too."

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Re: [ChurchillChat] Whisky and Soda

2018-03-07 Thread David Riddle 
In response to this thread, as a past Volunteer at Chartwell I can add that a 
glass of poured whisky is displayed there in Sir Winston’s Art Studio. It is a 
very specific, pale colour exactly as he took it because on one of her fairly 
regular visits to Chartwell before she passed away, Lady Mary Soames apparently 
complained that what was on display was too dark/strong. She offered to prepare 
a tipple to his usual specification, and it is this sample that has been 
maintained today with the aid of a thin layer of oil to prevent evaporation!

I hope this is of interest to members.

David Riddle
Mobile: 07966 472340
Sent from my iPhone

> On 7 Mar 2018, at 07:53, johnmather via ChurchillChat 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear Larry,
> 
> Spot on. Lady Mary Soames kindly showed me how she and others prepared WSC's 
> whisky-soda.  It is a matter of speculation how so little whisky might have 
> been partially medicinal in dilating his coronary arteries.  Then the the 
> whole issue of whether WSC was actually an alcoholic rages on.  The film did 
> highlight that many of his colleagues did think of him as a "sot".  The third 
> volume of Manchester's biography has his alcoholism and depression back to 
> front. We only know of one episode when WSC was the worse for drink. Lord 
> Alanbrooke had it all wrong in is observation.  This was not when WSC was 
> mightily tiddly.
> 
> John H. Mather MD.
> 
> In a message dated 3/6/2018 3:58:47 PM Central Standard Time, 
> homepor...@gmail.com writes:
> 
> I thoroughly enjoyed Darkest Hour in spite of the artist license taken that 
> has been previously discussed. Did anyone else notice that in the various 
> scenes where Churchill was drinking whisky, he was portrayed as drinking it 
> neat--the rich scotch color prominent in his glass? This goes along with the 
> misperception of the uninformed that he was an alcoholic. Churchill usually 
> drank weak whisky and sodas (a splash of whisky and a predominance of soda, 
> all without ice) and the color of the libation in the glass should have 
> reflected this. As the sun is over the yardarm somewhere in the world, I 
> think it might be nice to emulate the great man at this moment. Cheers.
> 
> Larry Kryske
> la...@yourfinesthour.com
> Author of CHURCHILL Without Blood, Sweat, or Tears (now available from online 
> booksellers)
>  
> 
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