Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-25 Thread Asbjorn Hojmark - Lists
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 09:41:06 +0400 (MSD), you wrote:

 You can do it if you have the PFC3CXL card (available as spare for
 6500 Sups), it was never productized however.

 I couldn't find it in GPL.

VS-F6K-PFC3CXL= is Catalyst 6500 Sup720-10G Policy Feature Card 3CXL

-A

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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-25 Thread Dmitry Valdov

On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Asbjorn Hojmark - Lists wrote:


VS-F6K-PFC3CXL= is Catalyst 6500 Sup720-10G Policy Feature Card 3CXL


It's for SUP720.. We have RSP720-3C..


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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-25 Thread Phil Mayers

On 06/25/2010 07:45 AM, Dmitry Valdov wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Asbjorn Hojmark - Lists wrote:


VS-F6K-PFC3CXL= is Catalyst 6500 Sup720-10G Policy Feature Card 3CXL


It's for SUP720.. We have RSP720-3C..




I doubt it matters.
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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-25 Thread Asbjorn Hojmark - Lists
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 10:45:13 +0400 (MSD), you wrote:

 VS-F6K-PFC3CXL= is Catalyst 6500 Sup720-10G Policy Feature Card 3CXL

 It's for SUP720.. We have RSP720-3C..

1) You wrote that there is no official upgrade for the RSP

2) ?ukasz wrote that you could upgrade with the PFC3CXL upgrade,
   which is available as a product for the 6500

3) You wrote that you couldn't find it in the GPL

4) I then sent the product ID for the product that exists, not
   the product that doesn't exist.

I know you have an RSP.

-A

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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-25 Thread Dmitry Valdov

On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Asbjorn Hojmark - Lists wrote:


On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 10:45:13 +0400 (MSD), you wrote:


VS-F6K-PFC3CXL= is Catalyst 6500 Sup720-10G Policy Feature Card 3CXL



It's for SUP720.. We have RSP720-3C..


1) You wrote that there is no official upgrade for the RSP

2) ?ukasz wrote that you could upgrade with the PFC3CXL upgrade,
  which is available as a product for the 6500

3) You wrote that you couldn't find it in the GPL

4) I then sent the product ID for the product that exists, not
  the product that doesn't exist.

I know you have an RSP.


Right. 
The last question was is SUP upgrade will *work* with RSP or not? 
We don't have a service contract anyway, so we don't care how it would be -

officialy or not.
The same question is for ES20-10G-3C. Will it work if we just change DFC on
it to 3CXL?


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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-25 Thread Łukasz Bromirski

On 2010-06-25 10:33, Dmitry Valdov wrote:


Right. The last question was is SUP upgrade will *work* with RSP or not?


I never tried it for this particular combination, but the PFCs for
6500 and 7600 are *exactly* the same - it's a piece of hardware
containing ASICs and TCAMs, connected with standarized bus and power
to the baseboard of the Sup/RSP, available in B/C or BXL/CXL versions.

And yes, the WS-F6K-PFC3CXL is supported with RSP720, you may check
it on official document:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/routers/7600/Hardware/12.2SR_supported_hw/7600_hwd.html#wp1030645

Mind it however, the XL versions often contain more RP RAM, as
it is expected that for enlarged hardware FIB capability, you will
also have bigger RIBs in RAM. The VS-F6K-PFC3CXL part is not shipping
with RAM upgrade AFAIK.


The same question is for ES20-10G-3C. Will it work if we just change

 DFC on it to 3CXL?

The part itself, again, is also standarized, but mind it, that there
is no mention in the docs that ES'es can be upgraded. YMMV.

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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-24 Thread Dmitry Valdov

Hello,


As I understood, the question was about posibility of upgrading 3C to 3CXL by 
adding
3CXL DFC to it. It was possible to do such upgrade with 3BXL (by adding
WS-F6K-PFC3BXL=). I had done it.
Is it possible to do the same with 3CXL systems? There is no WS-F6K-PFC-3CXL
in GPL. There is only WS-F6700-DFC3CXL  which might be different.

Also is it possible to upgrade 7600-ES20-10G3C to 7600-ES20-10G3CXL by
replacing daughter card on it?



On Wed, 23 Jun 2010, Matt Nichols wrote:


No that is not correct. The system, at boot time, will fall back to the lowest 
common denominator - in this case PFC3C mode. To run in PFC3CXL mode all PFCs 
on the supervisors have to be 3CXLs, and all DFCS have to be DFC3CXL.

Matt

On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:38 PM, Lobo wrote:


We're in the process of purchasing some RSP720-3CXL-10GEs for a 7604 and one 
vendor has told us that they have some RSP720-3C-10GE cards plus PFC3CXL 
daughter cards which they claim that when combined equates to a regular 
RSP720-3CXL-10GE.  Is this true?  I mean from a technical stand point it may be 
true and maybe the only thing I won't have is the 3CXL letters on the outside 
of the blade.

I tried using the dynamic config tool on Cisco's page to build one and I see no 
option for adding a daughter card to the regular RSP720-3C-10GE to make it the 
3CXL version.  Our main concern is that we want to ensure that we can hold the 
entire global routing table and beyond and so far only the 3CXL version fits 
that bill.  We also want to make sure we get the default memory that comes with 
the 3CXL version and make sure we don't get cheated on lower amount of memory.

Thanks

Jose
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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-24 Thread Peter Rathlev
On Wed, 2010-06-23 at 18:38 -0400, Lobo wrote:
 We're in the process of purchasing some RSP720-3CXL-10GEs for a 7604
 and one vendor has told us that they have some RSP720-3C-10GE cards
 plus PFC3CXL daughter cards which they claim that when combined
 equates to a regular RSP720-3CXL-10GE.  Is this true?

AFAIK it actually is. As long as all your card are DFC3CXL equipped (or
without DFC) it would work. We did it with PFC3B versions of the Sup720
that were upgraded to PFC3BXL some years ago.

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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-24 Thread Dmitry Valdov



On Thu, 24 Jun 2010, Peter Rathlev wrote:


We did it with PFC3B versions of the Sup720
that were upgraded to PFC3BXL some years ago.



We dit it with 3BXL too. The question was about 3CXL. The difference is that
an upgrade Sup720 3B-3BXL is officially available and RSP720 3C-3CXL is not.


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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-24 Thread Frédéric LOUI
In addition you can check this with the following command:

router-x#show platform hardware pfc mode 
PFC operating mode : PFC3CXL

router-x#

For what is worth:
For unknown reason(s) we had to add/swap some linecards and end up with a 
chassis having only 3CXL cards (including RSP3CXL) 
But this command only returned the following output:

router-x#show platform hardware pfc mode 
PFC operating mode : PFC3BXL

router-x#

A reload solved the issue.
-- 
Frederic

Le 24 juin 2010 à 02:45, Matt Nichols a écrit :

 No that is not correct. The system, at boot time, will fall back to the 
 lowest common denominator - in this case PFC3C mode. To run in PFC3CXL mode 
 all PFCs on the supervisors have to be 3CXLs, and all DFCS have to be DFC3CXL.
 
 Matt
 
 On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:38 PM, Lobo wrote:
 
 We're in the process of purchasing some RSP720-3CXL-10GEs for a 7604 and one 
 vendor has told us that they have some RSP720-3C-10GE cards plus PFC3CXL 
 daughter cards which they claim that when combined equates to a regular 
 RSP720-3CXL-10GE.  Is this true?  I mean from a technical stand point it may 
 be true and maybe the only thing I won't have is the 3CXL letters on the 
 outside of the blade.
 
 I tried using the dynamic config tool on Cisco's page to build one and I see 
 no option for adding a daughter card to the regular RSP720-3C-10GE to make 
 it the 3CXL version.  Our main concern is that we want to ensure that we can 
 hold the entire global routing table and beyond and so far only the 3CXL 
 version fits that bill.  We also want to make sure we get the default memory 
 that comes with the 3CXL version and make sure we don't get cheated on lower 
 amount of memory.
 
 Thanks
 
 Jose
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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-24 Thread Gert Doering
Hi,

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 06:38:16PM -0400, Lobo wrote:
 We're in the process of purchasing some RSP720-3CXL-10GEs for a 7604 and 
 one vendor has told us that they have some RSP720-3C-10GE cards plus 
 PFC3CXL daughter cards which they claim that when combined equates to a 
 regular RSP720-3CXL-10GE.  Is this true?  I mean from a technical stand 
 point it may be true and maybe the only thing I won't have is the 3CXL 
 letters on the outside of the blade.

You'll actually even have the letters :-) - the PFC3CXL upgrade comes with
a small sticker that is then put on the outside...

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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-24 Thread Lobo
Thanks for the tip.  I'm having the vendor issue the command to verify 
for us.


Our main concern is just making sure that we'll have the 1million IPv4 
routes and 256K netflow capabilities for this box.


Thanks!

Jose

On 6/24/2010 5:56 AM, Frédéric LOUI wrote:

In addition you can check this with the following command:

router-x#show platform hardware pfc mode
PFC operating mode : PFC3CXL

router-x#

For what is worth:
For unknown reason(s) we had to add/swap some linecards and end up with a 
chassis having only 3CXL cards (including RSP3CXL)
But this command only returned the following output:

router-x#show platform hardware pfc mode
PFC operating mode : PFC3BXL

router-x#

A reload solved the issue.
   

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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-24 Thread Frédéric LOUI
In our lab setup, we have 2 full internet feeds (IPv4 / IPv6) thus ~ 67 + 
v6 prefixes
Netflow v9 is working without any issue so far (without sampling). However we 
did not test netflow v9 with MPLS features.
According to my technical representative, on 8x10GE card with 3CXL, NDE is 
handled by the linecard itself (i.e de-centralized NDE instead of centralized 
NDE from the main RSP board)
Not sure about  4x10GE card upgraded with 3CXL though

I'd be happy to have some REAL figures regarding MPLS aware netflow with 
760x/3CXL :-)
-- 
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Le 24 juin 2010 à 14:21, Lobo a écrit :

 Thanks for the tip.  I'm having the vendor issue the command to verify for us.
 
 Our main concern is just making sure that we'll have the 1million IPv4 routes 
 and 256K netflow capabilities for this box.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Jose
 
 On 6/24/2010 5:56 AM, Frédéric LOUI wrote:
 In addition you can check this with the following command:
 
 router-x#show platform hardware pfc mode
 PFC operating mode : PFC3CXL
 
 router-x#
 
 For what is worth:
 For unknown reason(s) we had to add/swap some linecards and end up with a 
 chassis having only 3CXL cards (including RSP3CXL)
 But this command only returned the following output:
 
 router-x#show platform hardware pfc mode
 PFC operating mode : PFC3BXL
 
 router-x#
 
 A reload solved the issue.
   
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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-24 Thread Phil Mayers

On 24/06/10 14:53, Frédéric LOUI wrote:

In our lab setup, we have 2 full internet feeds (IPv4 / IPv6) thus ~
67 + v6 prefixes Netflow v9 is working without any issue so far
(without sampling). However we did not test netflow v9 with MPLS
features.


Sampling on the PFC/DFC platforms probably doesn't do what you want it
to do. It still captures all flows; just only exports a subset. This
saves neither TCAM nor significant CPU at the export side.


According to my technical representative, on 8x10GE card with 3CXL,
NDE is handled by the linecard itself (i.e de-centralized NDE instead
of centralized NDE from the main RSP board) Not sure about  4x10GE
card upgraded with 3CXL though


Under most conditions, DFC-equipped linecards export the netflow themselves.

There are some conditions where the netflow PDUs have to be 
post-processed by the RP. Amongst others, if you want source/dest AS 
numbers in the flows, these are added in software by the RP, eliminating 
the benefits of distributed NDE.




I'd be happy to have some REAL figures regarding MPLS aware netflow
with 760x/3CXL :-)


Figures about what?

Also, be aware that DFC/PFC platforms (until recently) only generate 
flows for packets which ingress as plain IPv4. MPLS LSPs don't generate 
netflow, either in label-swap or label pop.


This may mean you only see flows at the ingress PE.

There is a feature in some releases (e.g. SXI4 for 6500/sup720, which is 
basically the same underlying hardware) which claims to do egress mpls 
netflow, where flows are generated for final label-pop i.e. on egress 
PEs too. It didn't seem to work when I tried it.


This may all be very different if 7600 WAN cards are in the mix.
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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-24 Thread David Freedman
Phil Mayers wrote:

 
 Sampling on the PFC/DFC platforms probably doesn't do what you want it
 to do. It still captures all flows; just only exports a subset. This
 saves neither TCAM nor significant CPU at the export side.

Interesting, if this is the case, what are folk doing to reduce NDE CPU
load (which, from what I understand is a problem when you have agressive
ageing configured in order to conserve TCAM?)

Dave.

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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-24 Thread Phil Mayers

On 24/06/10 15:38, David Freedman wrote:

Phil Mayers wrote:



Sampling on the PFC/DFC platforms probably doesn't do what you want it
to do. It still captures all flows; just only exports a subset. This
saves neither TCAM nor significant CPU at the export side.


Interesting, if this is the case, what are folk doing to reduce NDE CPU
load (which, from what I understand is a problem when you have agressive
ageing configured in order to conserve TCAM?)


NDE CPU usage isn't a problem for us, so I can't say. We do have 
relatively high netflow TCAM usage and fast aging.

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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-24 Thread Phil Mayers

On 24/06/10 16:45, Nick Hilliard wrote:

On 24/06/2010 15:19, Phil Mayers wrote:

Also, be aware that DFC/PFC platforms (until recently) only generate flows
for packets which ingress as plain IPv4.


Or IPv6.  Except if you're using L2 ipv6 netflow, you can see the entries
on the pfc, but NDE won't export them to a collector.  Sigh.


Yes sorry; what I meant is that packets whose path is:

ip - router - mpls

...will generate flows, but in many cases:

mpls - router - ip

...will not.
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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-24 Thread Nick Hilliard
On 24/06/2010 15:19, Phil Mayers wrote:
 Also, be aware that DFC/PFC platforms (until recently) only generate flows
 for packets which ingress as plain IPv4.

Or IPv6.  Except if you're using L2 ipv6 netflow, you can see the entries
on the pfc, but NDE won't export them to a collector.  Sigh.

Nick
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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-24 Thread Frédéric LOUI


Le 24 juin 2010 à 16:19, Phil Mayers a écrit :

 On 24/06/10 14:53, Frédéric LOUI wrote:
 In our lab setup, we have 2 full internet feeds (IPv4 / IPv6) thus ~
 67 + v6 prefixes Netflow v9 is working without any issue so far
 (without sampling). However we did not test netflow v9 with MPLS
 features.
 
 Sampling on the PFC/DFC platforms probably doesn't do what you want it
 to do. It still captures all flows; just only exports a subset. This
 saves neither TCAM nor significant CPU at the export side.
 
 According to my technical representative, on 8x10GE card with 3CXL,
 NDE is handled by the linecard itself (i.e de-centralized NDE instead
 of centralized NDE from the main RSP board) Not sure about  4x10GE
 card upgraded with 3CXL though
 
 Under most conditions, DFC-equipped linecards export the netflow themselves.
 
 There are some conditions where the netflow PDUs have to be post-processed by 
 the RP. Amongst others, if you want source/dest AS numbers in the flows, 
 these are added in software by the RP, eliminating the benefits of 
 distributed NDE.

Thanks very much for the precisions. 

 
 
 I'd be happy to have some REAL figures regarding MPLS aware netflow
 with 760x/3CXL :-)
 
 Figures about what?
Sorry, what I meant by *figures*: 
 - How much (additional?) netflow traffic (bandwidth) can be transferred by NDE
 - How many (additional?) flows the BOX can handle ?
 - What is the impact in term of resource and linecard CPU when activating MPLS 
aware netflow ?

Has someone experienced  performance degradation on a 3CXL 760X when activating 
MPLS aware netflow ?

Thnks in advance for your feedback :-)

-- 
Frederic 

 
 Also, be aware that DFC/PFC platforms (until recently) only generate flows 
 for packets which ingress as plain IPv4. MPLS LSPs don't generate netflow, 
 either in label-swap or label pop.
 
 This may mean you only see flows at the ingress PE.
 
 There is a feature in some releases (e.g. SXI4 for 6500/sup720, which is 
 basically the same underlying hardware) which claims to do egress mpls 
 netflow, where flows are generated for final label-pop i.e. on egress PEs 
 too. It didn't seem to work when I tried it.
 
 This may all be very different if 7600 WAN cards are in the mix.
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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-24 Thread Matt Nichols
You can use this URL for guidance:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/switches/ps708/products_qanda_item09186a00809a7673.shtml.
 Although it does not specifically show the behavior with PFC3CXL installed, 
the trending is the same - the lowest common denominator of PFC/DFC that is 
identified at boot time will be used.

Even though it is for Catalyst 6500, the behavior should be identical.

Thanks

Matt

On Jun 24, 2010, at 5:21 AM, Lobo wrote:

 Thanks for the tip.  I'm having the vendor issue the command to verify for us.
 
 Our main concern is just making sure that we'll have the 1million IPv4 routes 
 and 256K netflow capabilities for this box.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Jose
 
 On 6/24/2010 5:56 AM, Frédéric LOUI wrote:
 In addition you can check this with the following command:
 
 router-x#show platform hardware pfc mode
 PFC operating mode : PFC3CXL
 
 router-x#
 
 For what is worth:
 For unknown reason(s) we had to add/swap some linecards and end up with a 
 chassis having only 3CXL cards (including RSP3CXL)
 But this command only returned the following output:
 
 router-x#show platform hardware pfc mode
 PFC operating mode : PFC3BXL
 
 router-x#
 
 A reload solved the issue.
   
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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-24 Thread Łukasz Bromirski

On 2010-06-24 10:25, Dmitry Valdov wrote:


We dit it with 3BXL too. The question was about 3CXL. The difference is that
an upgrade Sup720 3B-3BXL is officially available and RSP720 3C-3CXL is not.


You can do it if you have the PFC3CXL card (available as spare for
6500 Sups), it was never productized however.

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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-24 Thread Dmitry Valdov

On Thu, 24 Jun 2010, ёukasz Bromirski wrote:


On 2010-06-24 10:25, Dmitry Valdov wrote:

We dit it with 3BXL too. The question was about 3CXL. The difference is 
that
an upgrade Sup720 3B-3BXL is officially available and RSP720 3C-3CXL is 
not.


You can do it if you have the PFC3CXL card (available as spare for
6500 Sups), it was never productized however.


I couldn't find it in GPL. 3CXL DFC for line cards are available 
but not for an RSP720 itself. Are they the same?



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[c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-23 Thread Lobo
We're in the process of purchasing some RSP720-3CXL-10GEs for a 7604 and 
one vendor has told us that they have some RSP720-3C-10GE cards plus 
PFC3CXL daughter cards which they claim that when combined equates to a 
regular RSP720-3CXL-10GE.  Is this true?  I mean from a technical stand 
point it may be true and maybe the only thing I won't have is the 3CXL 
letters on the outside of the blade.


I tried using the dynamic config tool on Cisco's page to build one and I 
see no option for adding a daughter card to the regular RSP720-3C-10GE 
to make it the 3CXL version.  Our main concern is that we want to ensure 
that we can hold the entire global routing table and beyond and so far 
only the 3CXL version fits that bill.  We also want to make sure we get 
the default memory that comes with the 3CXL version and make sure we 
don't get cheated on lower amount of memory.


Thanks

Jose
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Re: [c-nsp] RSP720-3C-10GE with daughter card = RSP720-3CXL-10GE?

2010-06-23 Thread Matt Nichols
No that is not correct. The system, at boot time, will fall back to the lowest 
common denominator - in this case PFC3C mode. To run in PFC3CXL mode all PFCs 
on the supervisors have to be 3CXLs, and all DFCS have to be DFC3CXL.

Matt

On Jun 23, 2010, at 3:38 PM, Lobo wrote:

 We're in the process of purchasing some RSP720-3CXL-10GEs for a 7604 and one 
 vendor has told us that they have some RSP720-3C-10GE cards plus PFC3CXL 
 daughter cards which they claim that when combined equates to a regular 
 RSP720-3CXL-10GE.  Is this true?  I mean from a technical stand point it may 
 be true and maybe the only thing I won't have is the 3CXL letters on the 
 outside of the blade.
 
 I tried using the dynamic config tool on Cisco's page to build one and I see 
 no option for adding a daughter card to the regular RSP720-3C-10GE to make it 
 the 3CXL version.  Our main concern is that we want to ensure that we can 
 hold the entire global routing table and beyond and so far only the 3CXL 
 version fits that bill.  We also want to make sure we get the default memory 
 that comes with the 3CXL version and make sure we don't get cheated on lower 
 amount of memory.
 
 Thanks
 
 Jose
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