Re: Stus-List Bermuda Bound Bubble Runner

2014-10-06 Thread Wally Bryant via CnC-List 
I think my spam filters killed the original message.  What's the link?  
It sounds funny.


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Re: Stus-List Online Captains License or class room?

2014-10-06 Thread Wally Bryant via CnC-List 

re Liability.

I seem to remember that the Westsail 32 that was abandoned during 'The 
Perfect Storm' was actually doing fine by the captain, and it was the 
pickup crew who went hysterical and called the USCG for rescue.  The 
captain set the boat up and tucked himself into the quarterberth and was 
ready to ride it out.  (One account says he took a bottle with him into 
the quarterberth, and I would probably do the same thing under the 
circumstances.)


My point being that he was taken off the boat because he was a licensed 
captain, and disregarding a direct order from the USCG would cost him 
his license.  He didn't want to go.


It turns out he was right, and the boat ended up on the New Jersey shore 
in very good condition.


Wal

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Re: Stus-List 1984 C&C 35 MIII

2014-10-06 Thread Jim Watts via CnC-List 
We all got lucky. The 35-3 is a great boat, I have heard nothing but praise
from the owners regardless of minor problems like hauntings. For a 30-year
old boat, I think we're doing really well.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 6 October 2014 18:25, Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I should mention that David is one of the more experienced professional
> captains around. Tells you something about our boats when people like him
> fall in love with them!
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> > On Oct 6, 2014, at 21:18, Kim Brown via CnC-List 
> wrote:
> >
> > David,
> > I have an '87 35-3 CB and am on the gulf coast of FL. Spent 3 weeks in
> > Abacos last summer without draft issues.  Great boat. That said the real
> > issue on a 30 year old boat is how it has been maintained for 30 years. I
> > got lucky.
> >
> > Kim Brown
> > TrustMe!!! 35-3
> >
> >
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Re: Stus-List Bermuda Bound Bubble Runner

2014-10-06 Thread Chuck S via CnC-List 
Yeah, I would estimate many "lives saved" by the coast guard and life saving 
services may be less than worthy of their valiant efforts. Darwin stated that 
the strong survive, and the herd gets stronger that way. The prudent mariner 
takes precautions, prepares his vessel, learns skills necessary to navigate and 
operate his ship, but in today's world, every life has equal value and these 
weirdos get saved by amazing CG members risking their own lives. I don't like 
to judge but saving these idiots weakens the herd. My 2 cents. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

- Original Message -

From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list"  
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2014 10:20:56 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Bermuda Bound Bubble Runner 

Does anyone have an explanation how this could have been remotely possible? 

In case anyone hasn't heard - the US Coast Guard rescued this dude 130 nm 
east of St Augustine while attempting to 'run' 1600 nm to Bermuda in an 
inflatable hamster cage. 
Forget the supply of food and water and navigational challenges, forget even 
the waves - how could one human think for a second he could manage this 
thing against any kind of wind conditions? I watched a video on his website 
(Run for Reza), he did not offer any technical explanation how it might be 
possible to do this. 

Cheers 

Steve Hood 
S/V Diamond Girl 
C&C 34 
Lions Head ON 




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Stus-List Bermuda Bound Bubble Runner

2014-10-06 Thread OldSteveH via CnC-List 
Does anyone have an explanation how this could have been remotely possible?

In case anyone hasn't heard - the US Coast Guard rescued this dude 130 nm
east of St Augustine while attempting to 'run' 1600 nm to Bermuda in an
inflatable hamster cage.
Forget the supply of food and water and navigational challenges, forget even
the waves - how could one human think for a second he could manage this
thing against any kind of wind conditions? I watched a video on his website
(Run for Reza), he did not offer any technical explanation how it might be
possible to do this.

Cheers

Steve Hood
S/V Diamond Girl
C&C 34
Lions Head ON




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Re: Stus-List 1984 C&C 35 MIII

2014-10-06 Thread Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
I should mention that David is one of the more experienced professional 
captains around. Tells you something about our boats when people like him fall 
in love with them!

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Oct 6, 2014, at 21:18, Kim Brown via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> David, 
> I have an '87 35-3 CB and am on the gulf coast of FL. Spent 3 weeks in
> Abacos last summer without draft issues.  Great boat. That said the real
> issue on a 30 year old boat is how it has been maintained for 30 years. I
> got lucky. 
> 
> Kim Brown
> TrustMe!!! 35-3
> 
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Stus-List 1984 C&C 35 MIII

2014-10-06 Thread Kim Brown via CnC-List 
David, 
I have an '87 35-3 CB and am on the gulf coast of FL. Spent 3 weeks in
Abacos last summer without draft issues.  Great boat. That said the real
issue on a 30 year old boat is how it has been maintained for 30 years. I
got lucky. 

Kim Brown
TrustMe!!! 35-3


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Re: Stus-List 1984 C&C 35 MIII

2014-10-06 Thread Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List 
I second that!!!

 

Yanni

92 Lebaron 3.0 convertible

95 LeBaron 3.0 turbo convertible

07 Yamaha Straotoliner S

SCRC 011059

SRO 26-6483

 

TURBO!cause bottles are for babies and superchargers blow!!!

Which would you rather have, go fast goodies or shiny shoes?

Your feet may look good but if your engine blows you ain't going nowhere

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jack Brennan 
via CnC-List
Sent: October 6, 2014 6:00 PM
To: Tim Goodyear; cnc-list@cnc-list.com; Tim Goodyear; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1984 C&C 35 MIII

 

A 4-foot, 6-inch draft is shallow enough to go anywhere in Florida or the 
Bahamas. You can even sail down the Gulf side of the Keys, which is a treat, 
with plenty of free anchorages that have friendly tiki bars nearby.

 

Jack Brennan

Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.

 

 

 

 

From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List   

Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 3:08 PM

To: Lee   ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  

Subject: Re: Stus-List 1984 C&C 35 MIII

 

David,  

 

I own a full-keel version of this model and support the sailing characteristics 
mentioned by others.  I still have lessons to learn on how to deal with short 
chop upwind, but I think that's me, not the boat.  I have had core issues in 
both the deck (outboard and astern of the chain plates) and hull (subsequently 
repaired at considerable effort and expense); moisture could be the determining 
factor in any purchase, so it may be worth a mini-survey before determining 
whether to proceed with a full one.

 

Tim

Mojito

C&C 35-3

Branford, CT

 

 

 

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Lee via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

David; I own a 1987 35-3 c/b and would take it anywhere ! It is quite seaworthy 
as Ihave taken it on ocean trips to as far as Marblehead , Mass, from the south 
shore of Long Island N Y. She goes very well to windward even with the board up 
thanks to a good sized shoal keel and inboard shrouds.Draft on this model is 
4ft 2 in. Hull is cored except for thru hull areas. No delam issues,deck or 
hull.Boat came with spin gear but I don't think there were any differences in 
rig. Boat is a pleasure to sail especially to windward,although she tends to 
need a reef over 18 app. Idont know your sailing venue but I think you would 
love this boat .

Good luck and happy sailing!!

   Lee Christiansen 1987 35-3 c/b MaggieLee

-Original Message-
From: David Dawes via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Mon, Oct 6, 2014 12:22 pm
Subject: Stus-List 1984 C&C 35 MIII

Hi All, asking for advice on this model.
 
This boat “Freya" is for sale.  She is a centerboard model.
 
Can anyone advise on:
 
Suitability of 4’6” draft for Intracoastal/ Bahamas?  
 
Does the boat go to windward well with a board?  Does anyone race the CB 
version?
 
Weaknesses?  Is the hull cored or solid?  I hear decks of this era are cored 
and 
have delam issues.
 
Suitability of this model for coastal use maybe Bahamas/ Nova Scotia/ Central 
America?  Not ocean.
 
Any variations of this model?  For example were there tall VS short rig options 
etc.
 
Many thanks,
 
David Dawes.
 
 
 
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Re: Stus-List Online Captains License or class room?

2014-10-06 Thread Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List 
You are absolutely right and you are not the exception. The licence is not a
requirement for someone who just wants to sail. There are few approved
courses around from basic to advanced for training and knowledge.  There is
one thing I have learned and it is printed with permanent ink in my
forehead, Fear is the beginning of every great adventure and real training
starts when you turn your head aft and you realize that you lost sight of
land.  But one needs to have a basic knowledge of sailing, weather and
survival. One needs to know how to read the horizon, the stars and the sun. 

 

Yanni

92 Lebaron 3.0 convertible

95 LeBaron 3.0 turbo convertible

07 Yamaha Straotoliner S

SCRC 011059

SRO 26-6483

 

TURBO!cause bottles are for babies and superchargers blow!!!

Which would you rather have, go fast goodies or shiny shoes?

Your feet may look good but if your engine blows you ain't going nowhere

 

 

From: Curtis [mailto:cpt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: October 5, 2014 7:20 PM
To: Letsgo Sailing; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Online Captains License or class room?

 

Yes I know. But hard to get work moving boats without one. I will need to
find a way to make Cash when I retire.

 

 

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hello Sailors,

I am new to the list and like to greet all of you. I have been a member of
other lists like CYOA and Liveaboard for many years. 

Some information will let you know that I have a sailor wannabe sing I was
born on my father’s custom build wooden sailboat while circumnavigating.
Since then somehow saltwater sipped into my veins and can’t get rid of it.
Long story short, due to unfortunate situations and steps forward I had to
sell my Columbia 8.7 a year and a half ago Christmas.

I set my eyes on an C&C Invader 36 that needs a lot of work and it is
basically gutted with an old 3 cylinder Volvo with a hugemangus flywheel in
the front. 

 

Any way nice to meet you all Captains and Admirals.

 

I just want to add to this conversation, if anyone of you is familiar with
manufacturing floor. Liability in Licencing is like yellow lines on a plant
floor. If they are laid out you have to abide by them, So, if you have a
licence you are lyable because you have training and 

someone else said you should know better. 

 

Yanni

92 Lebaron 3.0 convertible

95 LeBaron 3.0 turbo convertible

07 Yamaha Straotoliner S

SCRC 011059

SRO 26-6483

 

TURBO!cause bottles are for babies and superchargers blow!!!

Which would you rather have, go fast goodies or shiny shoes?

Your feet may look good but if your engine blows you ain't going nowhere

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
 ] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via
CnC-List
Sent: October 4, 2014 10:15 PM
To: C&C List; Dennis C.; C&C List; Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List Online Captains License or class room?

 

I think Bob was trying to understand what the liability implications of
having more qualifications were.

On Oct 4, 2014 10:10 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Bob,

 

Think of it as a Power Squadron course on steroids. Most insurance providers
offer discount for such course. 

 

I get a discount for being a qualified Officer of the Deck while in the US
Navy.  

 

Dennis C.

Touché 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 4, 2014, at 7:43 PM, "bobmor99 . via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Fred, could you elaborate on this? I might be misunderstanding - not unusual
- but it sounds like having a CG/6-pack/whatever license increases one's
liability on the water. "He should have known better, he was licensed". 

Bob M

Ox 33-1

Jax, FL

 

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Agreed on the 2nd point.  And yes, there are still time-on-the-water
requirements:

 

http://www.maritimeinstitute.com/license_requirements.html

 

I’ve been torn on the whole question of getting licensed; yes, you can
captain vessels for pay (deliveries, excursions, etc.).  But even if you’re
not “on the clock” and are involved in an accident (like on your own
vessel), whether or not you’re at fault, there are some legal ramifications
that aren’t there if you’re not CG-licensed.

 

So I’ve held off on getting my ticket.


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

 

On Oct 3, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

I always understood the on-the-water hours qualification was the more
limiting restriction.  Is that not in place anymore? 

 

I know a lot of licensed captains out there aren’t worth a damn.  IE:  It
takes more than just passing a test.

 


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Re: Stus-List Online Captains License or class room?

2014-10-06 Thread Letsgo Sailing via CnC-List 
I sailed the Great Lakes but I anchored my boat in Mayo MD for few years in
the winter months . I just love The Chesapeake. I am in Ontario at the
present close to Niagara Falls, in a small town called Grimsby.

 

Yanni

92 Lebaron 3.0 convertible

95 LeBaron 3.0 turbo convertible

07 Yamaha Straotoliner S

SCRC 011059

SRO 26-6483

 

TURBO!cause bottles are for babies and superchargers blow!!!

Which would you rather have, go fast goodies or shiny shoes?

Your feet may look good but if your engine blows you ain't going nowhere

 

 

From: David [mailto:davidrisc...@msn.com] 
Sent: October 6, 2014 7:53 AM
To: Letsgo Sailing; CNC CNC
Subject: RE: Stus-List Online Captains License or class room?

 

Yanni,

Welcome to the list.

Where do  you sail?

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 18:54:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List Online Captains License or class room?
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  

Hello Sailors,

I am new to the list and like to greet all of you. I have been a member of
other lists like CYOA and Liveaboard for many years. 

Some information will let you know that I have a sailor wannabe sing I was
born on my father’s custom build wooden sailboat while circumnavigating.
Since then somehow saltwater sipped into my veins and can’t get rid of it.
Long story short, due to unfortunate situations and steps forward I had to
sell my Columbia 8.7 a year and a half ago Christmas.

I set my eyes on an C&C Invader 36 that needs a lot of work and it is
basically gutted with an old 3 cylinder Volvo with a hugemangus flywheel in
the front. 

 

Any way nice to meet you all Captains and Admirals.

 

I just want to add to this conversation, if anyone of you is familiar with
manufacturing floor. Liability in Licencing is like yellow lines on a plant
floor. If they are laid out you have to abide by them, So, if you have a
licence you are lyable because you have training and 

someone else said you should know better. 

 

Yanni

92 Lebaron 3.0 convertible

95 LeBaron 3.0 turbo convertible

07 Yamaha Straotoliner S

SCRC 011059

SRO 26-6483

 

TURBO!cause bottles are for babies and superchargers blow!!!

Which would you rather have, go fast goodies or shiny shoes?

Your feet may look good but if your engine blows you ain't going nowhere

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh
Muckley via CnC-List
Sent: October 4, 2014 10:15 PM
To: C&C List; Dennis C.; C&C List; Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List Online Captains License or class room?

 

I think Bob was trying to understand what the liability implications of
having more qualifications were.

On Oct 4, 2014 10:10 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Bob,

 

Think of it as a Power Squadron course on steroids. Most insurance providers
offer discount for such course. 

 

I get a discount for being a qualified Officer of the Deck while in the US
Navy.  

 

Dennis C.

Touché 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 4, 2014, at 7:43 PM, "bobmor99 . via CnC-List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Fred, could you elaborate on this? I might be misunderstanding - not unusual
- but it sounds like having a CG/6-pack/whatever license increases one's
liability on the water. "He should have known better, he was licensed". 

Bob M

Ox 33-1

Jax, FL

 

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Agreed on the 2nd point.  And yes, there are still time-on-the-water
requirements:

 

http://www.maritimeinstitute.com/license_requirements.html

 

I’ve been torn on the whole question of getting licensed; yes, you can
captain vessels for pay (deliveries, excursions, etc.).  But even if you’re
not “on the clock” and are involved in an accident (like on your own
vessel), whether or not you’re at fault, there are some legal ramifications
that aren’t there if you’re not CG-licensed.

 

So I’ve held off on getting my ticket.


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

 

On Oct 3, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

I always understood the on-the-water hours qualification was the more
limiting restriction.  Is that not in place anymore? 

 

I know a lot of licensed captains out there aren’t worth a damn.  IE:  It
takes more than just passing a test.

 


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Re: Stus-List 1984 C&C 35 MIII

2014-10-06 Thread Jake Brodersen via CnC-List 
David,

I owe a keel model also and can say the boat goes to weather like a witch.
The centerboard model, with a deeper draft, should do just fine.  We race a
lot locally and have done very well.  I raced with Joel on his 35-3 to
Bermuda.  The boat was solid and we never had any issues.  I'd take her
anywhere.

I had the boat soda blasted and coated with Interprotect (barrier coat).  I
have had no hull issues to date, after 14 years of boat ownership.  All of
the rigs are the same.  No "tall mast" options were available, that I am
aware of.  Some of the mast fittings may be different.  My masthead has only
three halyards forward (one jib halyard and two wing halyards).   Others
have four halyards and mast cranes, which racers might prefer.

Overall it is a great boat and has provided us with a lot of pleasure.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
"Midnight Mistress"
C&C 35 Mk-III
Hampton VA



-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David
Dawes via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 12:22 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 1984 C&C 35 MIII

Hi All, asking for advice on this model.

This boat "Freya" is for sale.  She is a centerboard model.

Can anyone advise on:

Suitability of 4'6" draft for Intracoastal/ Bahamas?  

Does the boat go to windward well with a board?  Does anyone race the CB
version?

Weaknesses?  Is the hull cored or solid?  I hear decks of this era are cored
and have delam issues.

Suitability of this model for coastal use maybe Bahamas/ Nova Scotia/
Central America?  Not ocean.

Any variations of this model?  For example were there tall VS short rig
options etc.

Many thanks,

David Dawes.



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Re: Stus-List 1984 C&C 35 MIII

2014-10-06 Thread Jack Brennan via CnC-List 
A 4-foot, 6-inch draft is shallow enough to go anywhere in Florida or the 
Bahamas. You can even sail down the Gulf side of the Keys, which is a treat, 
with plenty of free anchorages that have friendly tiki bars nearby.

Jack Brennan
Former C&C 25
Shanachie, 1974 Bristol 30
Tierra Verde, Fl.




From: Tim Goodyear via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 3:08 PM
To: Lee ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1984 C&C 35 MIII

David,

I own a full-keel version of this model and support the sailing characteristics 
mentioned by others.  I still have lessons to learn on how to deal with short 
chop upwind, but I think that's me, not the boat.  I have had core issues in 
both the deck (outboard and astern of the chain plates) and hull (subsequently 
repaired at considerable effort and expense); moisture could be the determining 
factor in any purchase, so it may be worth a mini-survey before determining 
whether to proceed with a full one.

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT



On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Lee via CnC-List  wrote:

  David; I own a 1987 35-3 c/b and would take it anywhere ! It is quite 
seaworthy as Ihave taken it on ocean trips to as far as Marblehead , Mass, from 
the south shore of Long Island N Y. She goes very well to windward even with 
the board up thanks to a good sized shoal keel and inboard shrouds.Draft on 
this model is 4ft 2 in. Hull is cored except for thru hull areas. No delam 
issues,deck or hull.Boat came with spin gear but I don't think there were any 
differences in rig. Boat is a pleasure to sail especially to windward,although 
she tends to need a reef over 18 app. Idont know your sailing venue but I think 
you would love this boat .
  Good luck and happy sailing!!
 Lee Christiansen 1987 35-3 c/b MaggieLee
  -Original Message-
  From: David Dawes via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list 
  Sent: Mon, Oct 6, 2014 12:22 pm
  Subject: Stus-List 1984 C&C 35 MIII


Hi All, asking for advice on this model.

This boat “Freya" is for sale.  She is a centerboard model.

Can anyone advise on:

Suitability of 4’6” draft for Intracoastal/ Bahamas?

Does the boat go to windward well with a board?  Does anyone race the CB
version?

Weaknesses?  Is the hull cored or solid?  I hear decks of this era are cored and
have delam issues.

Suitability of this model for coastal use maybe Bahamas/ Nova Scotia/ Central
America?  Not ocean.

Any variations of this model?  For example were there tall VS short rig options
etc.

Many thanks,

David Dawes.



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Re: Stus-List 1984 C&C 35 MIII

2014-10-06 Thread Tim Goodyear via CnC-List 
David,

I own a full-keel version of this model and support the sailing
characteristics mentioned by others.  I still have lessons to learn on how
to deal with short chop upwind, but I think that's me, not the boat.  I
have had core issues in both the deck (outboard and astern of the chain
plates) and hull (subsequently repaired at considerable effort and
expense); moisture could be the determining factor in any purchase, so it
may be worth a mini-survey before determining whether to proceed with a
full one.

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT



On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Lee via CnC-List 
wrote:

> David; I own a 1987 35-3 c/b and would take it anywhere ! It is quite
> seaworthy as Ihave taken it on ocean trips to as far as Marblehead , Mass,
> from the south shore of Long Island N Y. She goes very well to windward
> even with the board up thanks to a good sized shoal keel and inboard
> shrouds.Draft on this model is 4ft 2 in. Hull is cored except for thru hull
> areas. No delam issues,deck or hull.Boat came with spin gear but I don't
> think there were any differences in rig. Boat is a pleasure to sail
> especially to windward,although she tends to need a reef over 18 app. Idont
> know your sailing venue but I think you would love this boat .
> Good luck and happy sailing!!
>Lee Christiansen 1987 35-3 c/b MaggieLee
> -Original Message-
> From: David Dawes via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list 
> Sent: Mon, Oct 6, 2014 12:22 pm
> Subject: Stus-List 1984 C&C 35 MIII
>
>  Hi All, asking for advice on this model.
>
> This boat “Freya" is for sale.  She is a centerboard model.
>
> Can anyone advise on:
>
> Suitability of 4’6” draft for Intracoastal/ Bahamas?
>
> Does the boat go to windward well with a board?  Does anyone race the CB
> version?
>
> Weaknesses?  Is the hull cored or solid?  I hear decks of this era are cored 
> and
> have delam issues.
>
> Suitability of this model for coastal use maybe Bahamas/ Nova Scotia/ Central
> America?  Not ocean.
>
> Any variations of this model?  For example were there tall VS short rig 
> options
> etc.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> David Dawes.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List 1984 C&C 35 MIII

2014-10-06 Thread Lee via CnC-List 

David; I own a 1987 35-3 c/b and would take it anywhere ! It is quite seaworthy 
as Ihave taken it on ocean trips to as far as Marblehead , Mass, from the south 
shore of Long Island N Y. She goes very well to windward even with the board up 
thanks to a good sized shoal keel and inboard shrouds.Draft on this model is 
4ft 2 in. Hull is cored except for thru hull areas. No delam issues,deck or 
hull.Boat came with spin gear but I don't think there were any differences in 
rig. Boat is a pleasure to sail especially to windward,although she tends to 
need a reef over 18 app. Idont know your sailing venue but I think you would 
love this boat .
Good luck and happy sailing!!
   Lee Christiansen 1987 35-3 c/b MaggieLee
-Original Message-
From: David Dawes via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Sent: Mon, Oct 6, 2014 12:22 pm
Subject: Stus-List 1984 C&C 35 MIII


Hi All, asking for advice on this model.

This boat “Freya" is for sale.  She is a centerboard model.

Can anyone advise on:

Suitability of 4’6” draft for Intracoastal/ Bahamas?  

Does the boat go to windward well with a board?  Does anyone race the CB 
version?

Weaknesses?  Is the hull cored or solid?  I hear decks of this era are cored 
and 
have delam issues.

Suitability of this model for coastal use maybe Bahamas/ Nova Scotia/ Central 
America?  Not ocean.

Any variations of this model?  For example were there tall VS short rig options 
etc.

Many thanks,

David Dawes.



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Re: Stus-List Window replacement

2014-10-06 Thread Nate Flesness via CnC-List 
I'm wondering too if the climate variation might be a factor in Plexus
longevity... we have very wide temperature range annually up here.

Nate
"Sarah Jean"
1980 30-1
Siskiwit Bay Marina
Lake Superior

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Robert Boyer via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Bill:
>
> Your C&C 39 (I think) is probably a stiffer boat (less flexing) and that
> may be why your Plexus is surviving so well.  All I have is the experience
> on my Landfall 38 (1983) and the original windows were installed at the
> factory in Rhode Island.
>
> Bob
>
> Bob Boyer
> S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
> 1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
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Stus-List Window replacement

2014-10-06 Thread Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
Bill: 

Your C&C 39 (I think) is probably a stiffer boat (less flexing) and that may be 
why your Plexus is surviving so well.  All I have is the experience on my 
Landfall 38 (1983) and the original windows were installed at the factory in 
Rhode Island.  

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
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Re: Stus-List 1984 C&C 35 MIII

2014-10-06 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
David,

I have a 35/3 keel model.  Hopefully someone with a c/b version will answer
those questions.  The c/b version rates 6 seconds slower on the
Chesapeake.  Conventional wisdom is that 5 foot is the max draft for the
Bahamas and ICW.  Decks are cored, but if they are dry there are no
issues.  A moisture meter will pick up the smallest wet spot - in my case I
had a missing bolt and a wet spot about 1/2 inch in diameter.

I did the Annapolis Bermuda race.  I would not hesitate to take her
offshore again.  She handled the slop beautifully.  We had 7 guys on the
boat for a week.  ​The class winner was a C&C 37 c/b.

Only 1 rig for this model.  Lots of minor variations between boats after 30
years depending on prior use.

Joel

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 12:22 PM, David Dawes via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi All, asking for advice on this model.
>
> This boat “Freya" is for sale.  She is a centerboard model.
>
> Can anyone advise on:
>
> Suitability of 4’6” draft for Intracoastal/ Bahamas?
>
> Does the boat go to windward well with a board?  Does anyone race the CB
> version?
>
> Weaknesses?  Is the hull cored or solid?  I hear decks of this era are
> cored and have delam issues.
>
> Suitability of this model for coastal use maybe Bahamas/ Nova Scotia/
> Central America?  Not ocean.
>
> Any variations of this model?  For example were there tall VS short rig
> options etc.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> David Dawes.
>
>
>
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Stus-List 1984 C&C 35 MIII

2014-10-06 Thread David Dawes via CnC-List 
Hi All, asking for advice on this model.

This boat “Freya" is for sale.  She is a centerboard model.

Can anyone advise on:

Suitability of 4’6” draft for Intracoastal/ Bahamas?  

Does the boat go to windward well with a board?  Does anyone race the CB 
version?

Weaknesses?  Is the hull cored or solid?  I hear decks of this era are cored 
and have delam issues.

Suitability of this model for coastal use maybe Bahamas/ Nova Scotia/ Central 
America?  Not ocean.

Any variations of this model?  For example were there tall VS short rig options 
etc.

Many thanks,

David Dawes.



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Re: Stus-List Online Captains License or class room?

2014-10-06 Thread Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
I won’t comment on extra liability/scrutiny (I don’t have enough information to 
talk intelligently on that subject), but I fully support the idea of getting 
the training. You might be quite surprised at how much you did not know (before 
the training).

Marek
s/v “Legato”
in Ottawa

From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 11:09 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Online Captains License or class room?

Again, I don’t have my ticket; but talking with some people who do, if you get 
into any kind of accident, it seems there is a different (higher) level of 
scrutiny and possible liability if you have a CG license, even if you’re just 
out sailing your own vessel for recreation.  Like Bob said, “he/she should have 
known better”.  And it sounds like it’s not unheard of for a license to get 
pulled, based on the severity of the incident, regardless of whose fault it 
really was. 

So if you’re not going to actively use it to work for pay, I question the 
usefulness of getting one, aside from the detailed training and knowledge you 
acquire in the process.

Just my take.


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Oct 4, 2014, at 7:43 PM, bobmor99 .  wrote:


  Fred, could you elaborate on this? I might be misunderstanding - not unusual 
- but it sounds like having a CG/6-pack/whatever license increases one's 
liability on the water. "He should have known better, he was licensed". 
  Bob M
  Ox 33-1
  Jax, FL


  On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Agreed on the 2nd point.  And yes, there are still time-on-the-water 
requirements: 

http://www.maritimeinstitute.com/license_requirements.html

I’ve been torn on the whole question of getting licensed; yes, you can 
captain vessels for pay (deliveries, excursions, etc.).  But even if you’re not 
“on the clock” and are involved in an accident (like on your own vessel), 
whether or not you’re at fault, there are some legal ramifications that aren’t 
there if you’re not CG-licensed.

So I’ve held off on getting my ticket.


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI




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Re: Stus-List Online Captains License or class room?

2014-10-06 Thread David via CnC-List 
Yanni,

Welcome to the list.

Where do  you sail?

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 18:54:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List Online Captains License or class room?
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Hello Sailors,I am new to the list and like to greet all of you. I have been a 
member of other lists like CYOA and Liveaboard for many years. Some information 
will let you know that I have a sailor wannabe sing I was born on my father’s 
custom build wooden sailboat while circumnavigating.   Since then somehow 
saltwater sipped into my veins and can’t get rid of it.  Long story short, due 
to unfortunate situations and steps forward I had to sell my Columbia 8.7 a 
year and a half ago Christmas.I set my eyes on an C&C Invader 36 that needs a 
lot of work and it is basically gutted with an old 3 cylinder Volvo with a 
hugemangus flywheel in the front.  Any way nice to meet you all Captains and 
Admirals. I just want to add to this conversation, if anyone of you is familiar 
with manufacturing floor. Liability in Licencing is like yellow lines on a 
plant floor. If they are laid out you have to abide by them, So, if you have a 
licence you are lyable because you have training and someone else said you 
should know better.  Yanni92 Lebaron 3.0 convertible95 LeBaron 3.0 turbo 
convertible07 Yamaha Straotoliner SSCRC 011059SRO 26-6483 TURBO!cause 
bottles are for babies and superchargers blow!!!Which would you rather have, go 
fast goodies or shiny shoes?Your feet may look good but if your engine blows 
you ain't going nowhere  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] 
On Behalf Of Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Sent: October 4, 2014 10:15 PM
To: C&C List; Dennis C.; C&C List; Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List Online Captains License or class room? I think Bob was 
trying to understand what the liability implications of having more 
qualifications were.
On Oct 4, 2014 10:10 PM, "Dennis C. via CnC-List"  
wrote:Bob, Think of it as a Power Squadron course on steroids. Most insurance 
providers offer discount for such course.  I get a discount for being a 
qualified Officer of the Deck while in the US Navy.   Dennis C.Touché 35-1 
#83Mandeville, LA
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 4, 2014, at 7:43 PM, "bobmor99 . via CnC-List"  
wrote:Fred, could you elaborate on this? I might be misunderstanding - not 
unusual - but it sounds like having a CG/6-pack/whatever license increases 
one's liability on the water. "He should have known better, he was licensed". 
Bob MOx 33-1Jax, FL On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Frederick G Street via 
CnC-List  wrote:Agreed on the 2nd point.  And yes, there 
are still time-on-the-water requirements: 
http://www.maritimeinstitute.com/license_requirements.html I’ve been torn on 
the whole question of getting licensed; yes, you can captain vessels for pay 
(deliveries, excursions, etc.).  But even if you’re not “on the clock” and are 
involved in an accident (like on your own vessel), whether or not you’re at 
fault, there are some legal ramifications that aren’t there if you’re not 
CG-licensed. So I’ve held off on getting my ticket.
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI On Oct 3, 2014, at 4:17 PM, 
Pete Shelquist via CnC-List  wrote:

I always understood the on-the-water hours qualification was the more limiting 
restriction.  Is that not in place anymore?  I know a lot of licensed captains 
out there aren’t worth a damn.  IE:  It takes more than just passing a test. 
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