Re: Stus-List Fwd: Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Glen Eddie via CnC-List]

If you purchase, where will you be keeping her if you go ahead with the deal.

Glen Eddie

Tel:  416-777-5357

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Syer 
via CnC-List
Sent: February-03-16 02:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dave Syer
Subject: Stus-List Fwd: Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Gert Tiel - that's the Dutch name I could not remember!   He worked there.   In 
the plant?
Nice guy who generously gave me great advice in a lengthy conversation over the 
phone as I was evaluating a 35i .(Mystic)   Very intimate knowledge of the 
construction of the boat.Ultimately I took his advice and bought "the 
newest boat within your budget".  '85 33ii.

Dave



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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2016 09:05:38 -0800
From: Tom Buscaglia >
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
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I used Gert Tiel...not much detail but I knew Alera was my boat when
I saw it and just needed something for the valuation re
insurance.  Besides, who better to survey a C?

Tom B


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com
-- Forwarded message --
From: Dave Syer >
Date: Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Rino,


Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling around many 
boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial indeed.To be fair, 
most surveyors cannot realistically know the specific issues to look for in 
each model.
That said, we are in C land and several of the local surveyors know the boats 
and a few actually worked for C over the years.   (one - a dutch name escapes 
me, but a good guy and he's down your way.)


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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

An A4 does not a dealbreaker make.

I looked at the issue of A4 vs Diesel this way:

30 year old diesel or 30 old gasser.
The boats with the 30 year old diesel had about on average, a 5k markup
over their A4 brethren.

A 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor.

Gas or diesel, you're looking at replacement or rebuild in not too much
time. All kinds of things can be wrong with either. Choose one that's been
well maintained (gas OR diesel).

A4 parts are still very available and they are easy to work on. I know gas
engines, sort of, I don't know diesel at all having never wrenched on one.
At the end of the day it's a SAILboat. Do you want to be a mechanic? You
might need to be, because  30 year old motor. Mine is actually 35 years
old now.

My boat was a good deal, the 1980 A4 in there was in about as good
condition as one could want. Being a freshwater boat all her life, RWC
wasn't an issue for me and it still isn't. If she had a diesel she would
have cost me another 5k. Again, to my mind, there's no value there.

I kind of love my A4. It's quiet! and it always works. On the odd time that
it doesn't, it's an easy fix: points, last time. Half an hour of digging
around the boat for the parts and install.

Oh yeah, and I picked up a whole spare "working pull" A4 for $300 bones.
It's taking up space in my garage. One day, when I'm retired, in like 50
years, maybe I'll have time to rebuild it.

If you're really paranoid there's the issue of gasoline on the boat. i
sniff test the bilge before firing her up. That's worth 5k to me. Oh, and I
keep the motor happy with clean fuel, fresh fuel lines and filters, etc.

Cheers,
Steve


On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> What engine does the boat have?
>
> An original A4, if RWC, can be considered fully depreciated by now and
> most of them are RWC. The optional diesel as a creation made by Westebeake
> from MG Midget engine blocks. From all I have read, it made a nice little
> engine but parts are almost impossible to get now.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
> C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
> Syer via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 03, 2016 1:14 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Dave Syer
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
>
>
>
> Rino,
>
>
>
>
>
> Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling around
> many boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial indeed.To
> be fair, most surveyors cannot realistically know the specific issues to
> look for in each model.
>
> That said, we are in C land and several of the local surveyors know the
> boats and a few actually worked for C over the years.   (one - a dutch
> name escapes me, but a good guy and he's down your way.)
>
>
>
> FWIW When I inquired about some work with Bristol marine in Port Credit,
> Nick Bailey made the following recommendations of surveyors who they felt
> knew C boats.  No affiliation or relationship etc...
>
>
>
> *have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look at the boat.
> i.e. Bill Provis, **416-801-5527* <416-801-5527>*; Peter McGuire *
> *416-809-2186* <416-809-2186>*; or Wallace Gouk **416-526-3845*
> <416-526-3845>
>
>
>
> That said, read up, ask questions here and do your own survey as
> well.lift the cabin sole, look at all of the floor timbers (whatever
> they're called in a plastic boat)
>
>
>
> One thing I did not do and should have, was insisted on the opportunity to
> put the boat through its paces in the water, under power.
>
>
>
> Good Luck!
>
>
>
> Dave  - 1985 33ii
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:26:47 -0500
> From: Stevan Plavsa 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
> Message-ID:
>  u...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
> He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
> the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
> He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if
> you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement
> by sharing it.
>
> I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and
> Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion
> that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little
> beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of
> those before spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives,
> like backing plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false
> negatives. If there's moisture, it'll find it.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
>
> 

Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I was not suggesting an A4 was a bad thing – the old diesel would have no parts 
or support at all and the A4 is very well supported.
Just that if the engine – of ANY kind – is RWC and the boat was used in salt 
water to keep in mind that is a long time for an engine to last in salt. My 
original A4 died from corrosion and I have added a heat exchanger to my new A4 
so I don’t have to swap it again.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I FWC A4 powered

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 3:30 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

An A4 does not a dealbreaker make.

I looked at the issue of A4 vs Diesel this way:

30 year old diesel or 30 old gasser.
The boats with the 30 year old diesel had about on average, a 5k markup over 
their A4 brethren.

A 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor.

Gas or diesel, you're looking at replacement or rebuild in not too much time. 
All kinds of things can be wrong with either. Choose one that's been well 
maintained (gas OR diesel).

A4 parts are still very available and they are easy to work on. I know gas 
engines, sort of, I don't know diesel at all having never wrenched on one. At 
the end of the day it's a SAILboat. Do you want to be a mechanic? You might 
need to be, because  30 year old motor. Mine is actually 35 years old now.

My boat was a good deal, the 1980 A4 in there was in about as good condition as 
one could want. Being a freshwater boat all her life, RWC wasn't an issue for 
me and it still isn't. If she had a diesel she would have cost me another 5k. 
Again, to my mind, there's no value there.

I kind of love my A4. It's quiet! and it always works. On the odd time that it 
doesn't, it's an easy fix: points, last time. Half an hour of digging around 
the boat for the parts and install.

Oh yeah, and I picked up a whole spare "working pull" A4 for $300 bones. It's 
taking up space in my garage. One day, when I'm retired, in like 50 years, 
maybe I'll have time to rebuild it.

If you're really paranoid there's the issue of gasoline on the boat. i sniff 
test the bilge before firing her up. That's worth 5k to me. Oh, and I keep the 
motor happy with clean fuel, fresh fuel lines and filters, etc.

Cheers,
Steve


On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
> wrote:
What engine does the boat have?
An original A4, if RWC, can be considered fully depreciated by now and most of 
them are RWC. The optional diesel as a creation made by Westebeake from MG 
Midget engine blocks. From all I have read, it made a nice little engine but 
parts are almost impossible to get now.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

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[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Dave Syer via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 1:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dave Syer

Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Rino,


Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling around many 
boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial indeed.To be fair, 
most surveyors cannot realistically know the specific issues to look for in 
each model.
That said, we are in C land and several of the local surveyors know the boats 
and a few actually worked for C over the years.   (one - a dutch name escapes 
me, but a good guy and he's down your way.)

FWIW When I inquired about some work with Bristol marine in Port Credit, Nick 
Bailey made the following recommendations of surveyors who they felt knew C 
boats.  No affiliation or relationship etc...

have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look at the boat. i.e. 
Bill Provis, 416-801-5527; Peter McGuire 
416-809-2186; or Wallace Gouk 416-526-3845

That said, read up, ask questions here and do your own survey as well.lift 
the cabin sole, look at all of the floor timbers (whatever they're called in a 
plastic boat)

One thing I did not do and should have, was insisted on the opportunity to put 
the boat through its paces in the water, under power.

Good Luck!

Dave  - 1985 33ii





Message: 5
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:26:47 -0500
From: Stevan Plavsa >
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
Message-ID:

>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my 

Re: Stus-List Propeller Question for 35-3

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

There are lots of resources for prop calculators but try the one below.
You'll have to know your engine max rpm and transmission gear ratio.  It
will also be help to know the clearance from the shaft to the hull.

Consider a 3 blade for less slip.  This is also a good time to seriously
consider a feathering or folding prop.

http://www.marksmarineinc.com/parts/prop_calc.aspx

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Feb 3, 2016 5:09 PM, "Sam Wheeler via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I recently bought a 35-3, and one of the projects it came with was the
> prop had galvanic corrosion and needed to be replaced.  It's a fixed two
> blade.
>
> The previous owners adjusted the pitch on it, apparently from 10 to 8.
> They seemed to think that improved performance but the boatyard is telling
> me that the specs for the boat and engine call for 10.  Does anyone have
> any thoughts on this?
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Carston Grasvik 
> Date: Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 8:19 AM
> Subject: FW: Propeller for C 35
> To: Sam Wheeler 
>
>
> Hi Sam,
>
>
>
> It appears your old prop has an odd pitch to it. The prop I estimated for
> you has a 10 degree pitch which is specified for your boat and engine.
> Please see note below from our prop people and advise what you’d like to do.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Carston
>
>
>
> *From:* Ernel Elkin [mailto:prop...@pacbell.net]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 01, 2016 3:47 PM
> *To:* Carston Grasvik
> *Subject:* Propeller for C 35
>
>
>
> HI CARSTON - DAVE MEASURED THE PITCH ON THE 2 BLADE AND IT IS 8"!
> UNFORTUNATELY, THE PROP I FOUND FOR YOU HAD ALREADY BEEN REPITCHED FROM 12
> TO 10 AND CAN NOT BE REPITCHED ANYMORE.  IT WOULD PROBABLY CRACK.
>
>
>
> I LOOKED AROUND AND FOUND ANOTHER 18"X 10", BUT THE PILOT BORE IS 1-1/8",
> SO THE CUSTOMER WOULD HAVE TO USE A BUSHING WITH IT AND HAVE IT REPITCHED
> TO 8".  BUSHING COST IS $74 AND REPITCHING IS $150.
>
>
>
> KIND OF A WEIRD SIZE.  THE LOWEST PITCH AVAILABLE IS 10".  PLEASE DISCUSS
> WITH YOUR CUSTOMER.  THANKS.
>
>
>
> ERNEL
>
>
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Stus-List Propeller Question for 35-3

[Sam Wheeler via CnC-List]

Hi everyone,

I recently bought a 35-3, and one of the projects it came with was the prop
had galvanic corrosion and needed to be replaced.  It's a fixed two blade.

The previous owners adjusted the pitch on it, apparently from 10 to 8.
They seemed to think that improved performance but the boatyard is telling
me that the specs for the boat and engine call for 10.  Does anyone have
any thoughts on this?

Thanks,
Sam


-- Forwarded message --
From: Carston Grasvik 
Date: Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 8:19 AM
Subject: FW: Propeller for C 35
To: Sam Wheeler 


Hi Sam,



It appears your old prop has an odd pitch to it. The prop I estimated for
you has a 10 degree pitch which is specified for your boat and engine.
Please see note below from our prop people and advise what you’d like to do.



Best Regards,



Carston



*From:* Ernel Elkin [mailto:prop...@pacbell.net]
*Sent:* Monday, February 01, 2016 3:47 PM
*To:* Carston Grasvik
*Subject:* Propeller for C 35



HI CARSTON - DAVE MEASURED THE PITCH ON THE 2 BLADE AND IT IS 8"!
UNFORTUNATELY, THE PROP I FOUND FOR YOU HAD ALREADY BEEN REPITCHED FROM 12
TO 10 AND CAN NOT BE REPITCHED ANYMORE.  IT WOULD PROBABLY CRACK.



I LOOKED AROUND AND FOUND ANOTHER 18"X 10", BUT THE PILOT BORE IS 1-1/8",
SO THE CUSTOMER WOULD HAVE TO USE A BUSHING WITH IT AND HAVE IT REPITCHED
TO 8".  BUSHING COST IS $74 AND REPITCHING IS $150.



KIND OF A WEIRD SIZE.  THE LOWEST PITCH AVAILABLE IS 10".  PLEASE DISCUSS
WITH YOUR CUSTOMER.  THANKS.



ERNEL
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Are you using a broker?  Did you exchange money?  Did you sign a contract?

A typical brokered deal will follow an AYBA flowpath.  The "deal" would be
signing a contract and putting 10% down (held in escrow).  This earns you a
contracted amount of time (usually 30 days) to get a survey and a loan and
insurance before closing the deal.  Almost anything will allow you to back
out of the contract and get your money back in full.  Basically the
contract locks in your price and prevents the seller from selling it out
from under you.

Survey, haul + launch, and captains fees are all negotiable in the original
contract but are usually paid for by the buyer.

Before closing, the price and other repairs are still negotiable based on
the findings of the survey.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Propeller Question for 35-3

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Sam,

 

IIRC, I’m swinging a 10x16 Martec elliptical prop.  Good forward performance.  
Reverse requires a lot of rpms to get a response, but it works for me.

I’m just a high speed – low drag racer anyway.  

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Wheeler 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 17:08
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Sam Wheeler 
Subject: Stus-List Propeller Question for 35-3

 

Hi everyone,

 

I recently bought a 35-3, and one of the projects it came with was the prop had 
galvanic corrosion and needed to be replaced.  It's a fixed two blade.  

 

The previous owners adjusted the pitch on it, apparently from 10 to 8.  They 
seemed to think that improved performance but the boatyard is telling me that 
the specs for the boat and engine call for 10.  Does anyone have any thoughts 
on this?

 

Thanks,

Sam

 

 

-- Forwarded message --
From: Carston Grasvik  >
Date: Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 8:19 AM
Subject: FW: Propeller for C 35
To: Sam Wheeler  >



Hi Sam,

 

It appears your old prop has an odd pitch to it. The prop I estimated for you 
has a 10 degree pitch which is specified for your boat and engine. Please see 
note below from our prop people and advise what you’d like to do.

 

Best Regards,

 

Carston

 

From: Ernel Elkin [mailto:prop...@pacbell.net  ] 
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 3:47 PM
To: Carston Grasvik
Subject: Propeller for C 35

 

HI CARSTON - DAVE MEASURED THE PITCH ON THE 2 BLADE AND IT IS 8"!  
UNFORTUNATELY, THE PROP I FOUND FOR YOU HAD ALREADY BEEN REPITCHED FROM 12 TO 
10 AND CAN NOT BE REPITCHED ANYMORE.  IT WOULD PROBABLY CRACK.

 

I LOOKED AROUND AND FOUND ANOTHER 18"X 10", BUT THE PILOT BORE IS 1-1/8", SO 
THE CUSTOMER WOULD HAVE TO USE A BUSHING WITH IT AND HAVE IT REPITCHED TO 8".  
BUSHING COST IS $74 AND REPITCHING IS $150.

 

KIND OF A WEIRD SIZE.  THE LOWEST PITCH AVAILABLE IS 10".  PLEASE DISCUSS WITH 
YOUR CUSTOMER.  THANKS.

 

ERNEL

 

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Re: Stus-List Propeller Question for 35-3

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Joel reminded me, I forgot to mention that a properly pitched prop will
reach max engine RPM.  My Yanmar has an instantaneous rating of 3600rpm, a
1 hour rating of 3400rpm, and a continuous rating of 3200rpm.  The
correlating horse power changes with each rating.  I chose the 1 hour
rating when setting the pitch on my Max-Prop.  This ensures that I can get
max punch when needed but crack off for cruising.  If you have a diesel,
remember they like to run at 80% load as often as possible.  I know I'm
there when I see 2600-2800.

Josh

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016, 5:09 PM Sam Wheeler via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I recently bought a 35-3, and one of the projects it came with was the
> prop had galvanic corrosion and needed to be replaced.  It's a fixed two
> blade.
>
> The previous owners adjusted the pitch on it, apparently from 10 to 8.
> They seemed to think that improved performance but the boatyard is telling
> me that the specs for the boat and engine call for 10.  Does anyone have
> any thoughts on this?
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Carston Grasvik 
> Date: Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 8:19 AM
> Subject: FW: Propeller for C 35
> To: Sam Wheeler 
>
>
> Hi Sam,
>
>
>
> It appears your old prop has an odd pitch to it. The prop I estimated for
> you has a 10 degree pitch which is specified for your boat and engine.
> Please see note below from our prop people and advise what you’d like to do.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Carston
>
>
>
> *From:* Ernel Elkin [mailto:prop...@pacbell.net]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 01, 2016 3:47 PM
> *To:* Carston Grasvik
> *Subject:* Propeller for C 35
>
>
>
> HI CARSTON - DAVE MEASURED THE PITCH ON THE 2 BLADE AND IT IS 8"!
> UNFORTUNATELY, THE PROP I FOUND FOR YOU HAD ALREADY BEEN REPITCHED FROM 12
> TO 10 AND CAN NOT BE REPITCHED ANYMORE.  IT WOULD PROBABLY CRACK.
>
>
>
> I LOOKED AROUND AND FOUND ANOTHER 18"X 10", BUT THE PILOT BORE IS 1-1/8",
> SO THE CUSTOMER WOULD HAVE TO USE A BUSHING WITH IT AND HAVE IT REPITCHED
> TO 8".  BUSHING COST IS $74 AND REPITCHING IS $150.
>
>
>
> KIND OF A WEIRD SIZE.  THE LOWEST PITCH AVAILABLE IS 10".  PLEASE DISCUSS
> WITH YOUR CUSTOMER.  THANKS.
>
>
>
> ERNEL
>
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Rino Granito via CnC-List]

I would add that a 30 year old diesel that is well taken of, and is
operated within its parameteres is virtually indestructable..  But run
a diesel cold,  forget to change oil, put in the wrong oil..  and you
have a dead weight within 10 years..  AAn Atomic 4 is a great engine,
its very forgiving, can run rather well in harsh environments and wears
well if not runned for long periods or idled for longer periods.  If
doing fresh water coastal work the gasser is an exccellent choice ,
except for gasoline fumes, so please make sure your exhaust system is
spark free and working very well.. 
On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 15:30 -0500, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:
> An A4 does not a dealbreaker make. 
> 
> I looked at the issue of A4 vs Diesel this way:
> 
> 30 year old diesel or 30 old gasser.
> The boats with the 30 year old diesel had about on average, a 5k
> markup over their A4 brethren. 
> 
> A 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor. 
> 
> Gas or diesel, you're looking at replacement or rebuild in not too
> much time. All kinds of things can be wrong with either. Choose one
> that's been well maintained (gas OR diesel).
> 
> A4 parts are still very available and they are easy to work on. I
> know gas engines, sort of, I don't know diesel at all having never
> wrenched on one. At the end of the day it's a SAILboat. Do you want
> to be a mechanic? You might need to be, because  30 year old
> motor. Mine is actually 35 years old now.
> 
> My boat was a good deal, the 1980 A4 in there was in about as good
> condition as one could want. Being a freshwater boat all her life,
> RWC wasn't an issue for me and it still isn't. If she had a diesel
> she would have cost me another 5k. Again, to my mind, there's no
> value there.
> 
> I kind of love my A4. It's quiet! and it always works. On the odd
> time that it doesn't, it's an easy fix: points, last time. Half an
> hour of digging around the boat for the parts and install. 
> 
> Oh yeah, and I picked up a whole spare "working pull" A4 for $300
> bones. It's taking up space in my garage. One day, when I'm retired,
> in like 50 years, maybe I'll have time to rebuild it. 
> 
> If you're really paranoid there's the issue of gasoline on the boat.
> i sniff test the bilge before firing her up. That's worth 5k to me.
> Oh, and I keep the motor happy with clean fuel, fresh fuel lines and
> filters, etc. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Steve
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> > What engine does the boat have?
> > An original A4, if RWC, can be considered fully depreciated by now
> > and most of them are RWC. The optional diesel as a creation made by
> > Westebeake from MG Midget engine blocks. From all I have read, it
> > made a nice little engine but parts are almost impossible to get
> > now.
> > Joe
> > Coquina
> > C 35 MK I
> >  
> > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
> > Dave Syer via CnC-List
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 1:14 PM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Cc: Dave Syer
> > 
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
> >  
> > Rino,
> >  
> >  
> > Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling
> > around many boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial
> > indeed.To be fair, most surveyors cannot realistically know the
> > specific issues to look for in each model.  
> > That said, we are in C land and several of the local surveyors
> > know the boats and a few actually worked for C over the years.  
> > (one - a dutch name escapes me, but a good guy and he's down your
> > way.)
> >  
> > FWIW When I inquired about some work with Bristol marine in Port
> > Credit, Nick Bailey made the following recommendations of surveyors
> > who they felt knew C boats.  No affiliation or relationship
> > etc...
> >  
> > have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look at the
> > boat. i.e. Bill Provis, 416-801-5527; Peter McGuire 416-809-2186;
> > or Wallace Gouk 416-526-3845
> >  
> > That said, read up, ask questions here and do your own survey as
> > well.lift the cabin sole, look at all of the floor timbers
> > (whatever they're called in a plastic boat)
> >  
> > One thing I did not do and should have, was insisted on the
> > opportunity to put the boat through its paces in the water, under
> > power.  
> >  
> > Good Luck!
> >  
> > Dave  - 1985 33ii
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:26:47 -0500
> > From: Stevan Plavsa 
> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> > CADdEvn48gjMnZsy2_OjyVksVUZEEiiUbHCJbZULboa+TeBh=u...@mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > 
> > Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
> > He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've
> > questioned
> > the value of 

Re: Stus-List Fwd: Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Rino Granito via CnC-List]

For the next two years we will be at the Royal St Lawrence in Montreal,
then its off to Marigot St Martin for a year or so, then les Azores ,
after that the Netherlands, then we shall see.  but my dream is the
northern passage (in a convoy)
but time will tell, how far we get once in St martin..
  On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 20:23 +, Glen Eddie via CnC-List wrote:
> If you purchase, where will you be keeping her if you go ahead with
> the deal.
>  
>Glen Eddie>  >  Tel:  416-777-5357>  >  Fax:  1-888-812-2557 
>  Torkin Manes LLP
> Barristers & Solicitors
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>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
> Dave Syer via CnC-List
> Sent: February-03-16 02:48 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Dave Syer
> Subject: Stus-List Fwd: Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
>  
> Gert Tiel - that's the Dutch name I could not remember!   He worked
> there.   In the plant?  
> Nice guy who generously gave me great advice in a lengthy
> conversation over the phone as I was evaluating a 35i .(Mystic)  
> Very intimate knowledge of the construction of the boat.   
> Ultimately I took his advice and bought "the newest boat within your
> budget".  '85 33ii. 
>  
> Dave
>  
>  
>  
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2016 09:05:38 -0800
> From: Tom Buscaglia 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
> Message-ID:
> <201602031705.u13h5m4f025...@jax4mhob03.myregisteredsite.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"
> 
> I used Gert Tiel...not much detail but I knew Alera was my boat when
> I saw it and just needed something for the valuation re
> insurance.  Besides, who better to survey a C?
> 
> Tom B
> 
> 
> Tom Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Dave Syer 
> Date: Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> 
> Rino,
>  
>  
> Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling
> around many boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial
> indeed.To be fair, most surveyors cannot realistically know the
> specific issues to look for in each model.  
> That said, we are in C land and several of the local surveyors know
> the boats and a few actually worked for C over the years.   (one -
> a dutch name escapes me, but a good guy and he's down your way.)
>  
>  
> >>>snip
>  
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Re: Stus-List Advice needed on Rigging Maintenance

[kelly petew via CnC-List]

Thanks very much for the information.  As always, it is most helpful. Fair 
Winds, Pete W.Siren Song1991 30-2Deltaville, VA
 
From: kellype...@msn.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Advice needed on Rigging Maintenance
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 16:17:51 -0500




My 30-2 is now 25 years old [wish I was, too!!], and has rod rigging, except 
for the split backstay and probably the forestay [has a Harken furler on it].  
The 30-2 is a double spreader rig.
About 2 years ago, I paid for a rigging inspection [mast stayed UP].  All was 
reported as OK.  
I have not raced the boat, nor have I sailed her "hard" over the past 12 
seasons [i.e., reef early, keep her "on her feet" in higher winds].
However, I have no idea how the POs used the boat, but I suspect some racing 
was done.
 
That said, I am thinking the prudent move is to have the rod rigging terminals 
"re-headed", both top and bottom terminals [I hope my use of terminology is 
accurate, and if not, at least understood]. 
I would appreciate any and all feedback from this group on what maintenance I 
should consider.  
--Does this make sense to have this done when I've had no issues?
--Can it be done without removing the mast? 
-- If I do it, should I replace the forestay? 
--What should I expect to pay roughly?  
--Can you recommend a rigger [I'm on lower Chesapeake Bay, in Deltaville, Va.]?
 
Thanks, 
 
Pete W. 
 
Siren Song
1991 30-2
Deltaville, Va.
 
  
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Re: Stus-List Propeller Question for 35-3

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Sam,

Congrats!  It shows you are a man of intellect and taste!

My MaxProp 2 blade is set to 14 degrees.  Prior owners tried 12 and 16
before settling on 14.  It depends on the diameter of the prop as well as
the pitch.  If the engine revs to max RPM with a clean bottom it is pitched
properly.  8 sounds like too little!

Joel
35/3
Annapolis

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016, Sam Wheeler via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I recently bought a 35-3, and one of the projects it came with was the
> prop had galvanic corrosion and needed to be replaced.  It's a fixed two
> blade.
>
> The previous owners adjusted the pitch on it, apparently from 10 to 8.
> They seemed to think that improved performance but the boatyard is telling
> me that the specs for the boat and engine call for 10.  Does anyone have
> any thoughts on this?
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Carston Grasvik  >
> Date: Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 8:19 AM
> Subject: FW: Propeller for C 35
> To: Sam Wheeler  >
>
>
> Hi Sam,
>
>
>
> It appears your old prop has an odd pitch to it. The prop I estimated for
> you has a 10 degree pitch which is specified for your boat and engine.
> Please see note below from our prop people and advise what you’d like to do.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Carston
>
>
>
> *From:* Ernel Elkin [mailto:prop...@pacbell.net
> ]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 01, 2016 3:47 PM
> *To:* Carston Grasvik
> *Subject:* Propeller for C 35
>
>
>
> HI CARSTON - DAVE MEASURED THE PITCH ON THE 2 BLADE AND IT IS 8"!
> UNFORTUNATELY, THE PROP I FOUND FOR YOU HAD ALREADY BEEN REPITCHED FROM 12
> TO 10 AND CAN NOT BE REPITCHED ANYMORE.  IT WOULD PROBABLY CRACK.
>
>
>
> I LOOKED AROUND AND FOUND ANOTHER 18"X 10", BUT THE PILOT BORE IS 1-1/8",
> SO THE CUSTOMER WOULD HAVE TO USE A BUSHING WITH IT AND HAVE IT REPITCHED
> TO 8".  BUSHING COST IS $74 AND REPITCHING IS $150.
>
>
>
> KIND OF A WEIRD SIZE.  THE LOWEST PITCH AVAILABLE IS 10".  PLEASE DISCUSS
> WITH YOUR CUSTOMER.  THANKS.
>
>
>
> ERNEL
>
>

-- 
Joel
301 541 8551
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Stus-List Chainplate inspection/possibly re-bedding

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

After rain recently I noticed a little rust-colored water leaking out from 
behind my chainplate on the port bulkhead on the interior.  The chainplates 
themselves look shiny and new, but I'm afraid some water ingress has rusted 
some of the bolts through the bulkhead.

I resealed where both chainplates protrude from the deck to stop any water from 
coming in, but I think it's time to really inspect (and possibly re-do) both 
chainplates.

My mast is removed, and the boat is covered.  I'm thinking I'm going to remove 
some bolts and see what's going on inside the bulkheads behind the chainplates… 
see if there's any rot in there.  I assume these bulkheads on my 1976 30 MKI 
are marine ply covered in fiberglass.  

Has anyone does this before on a 30MK I?  Any suggestions/anything I should 
know before I embark on this project?

Thanks in advance.

Ryan




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Re: Stus-List Chainplate inspection/possibly re-bedding

[Joseph Bognar via CnC-List]

My 1979 C had leaking chain Plates. It rotted out the balsa core and I had 
a 2 ft square area around the chain plates re done . Access to the chain plates 
is really easy . You can reach the fasteners from the lockers on each side 

Sent from Joe Bognar


> On Feb 3, 2016, at 8:47 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> After rain recently I noticed a little rust-colored water leaking out from 
> behind my chainplate on the port bulkhead on the interior.  The chainplates 
> themselves look shiny and new, but I'm afraid some water ingress has rusted 
> some of the bolts through the bulkhead.
> 
> I resealed where both chainplates protrude from the deck to stop any water 
> from coming in, but I think it's time to really inspect (and possibly re-do) 
> both chainplates.
> 
> My mast is removed, and the boat is covered.  I'm thinking I'm going to 
> remove some bolts and see what's going on inside the bulkheads behind the 
> chainplates… see if there's any rot in there.  I assume these bulkheads on my 
> 1976 30 MKI are marine ply covered in fiberglass.  
> 
> Has anyone does this before on a 30MK I?  Any suggestions/anything I should 
> know before I embark on this project?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Ryan
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List repairing large wet deck core areas

[phorvati . via CnC-List]

Thanks guys,

I will try to tap and sound my way to see how far away from genoa track the
rot extends. I have oversized the backing plate back in 2004.  I have 2"
wide x 3/8" thick aluminum bars as opposed to original which I believe was
1"x1/4".  If tapping does not work, I will drill to find where rot ends.  I
plan to cut over the weekend and based on that i was thinking maybe to get
a 50yd roll of 10" or 12" wide 9oz cloth tape.  I don't know if you know
about this guy but he is very reasonable.  I've been getting gelcoat, resin
and fiberglass from him for years.  I also got interlux perfection and
primer for topsides I did few years back.

http://www.mertons.com/Reinforcements/cloth_tape.html

thanks again,
Petar


On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Petar,
>
>
>
> Based on repairing significant areas of rotten and wet core on Calypso I
> agree with what Mike Hoyt posted.  I did most of Calypso’s repairs from the
> inside owing to the ease of access and the many contoured areas involved.
> With a repair under a genoa track, especially if your access to the
> underside is limited working from the top will be far easier.
>
>
>
> When I was tracking down the extent of rot and very wet core I used a
> ballpeen hammer and tapped all around the suspect deck.  Start in a known
> dry, well bonded area and calibrate your ear to the sound.  Likely well
> bonded laminates will sound “sharp” or “bright”.  Then move to a known or
> suspected failed area.  The sound will likely become “dull” or “hollow”.  I
> also made many test holes as Mike described.
>
>
>
> If you are lucky the damaged areas are all concentrated around the
> fastener holes and the repair areas will be small.
>
>
>
> As to how wet balsa can be without concern, I recommend you visit Baltek’s
> web site.  Baltek has links to some studies that compare % of moisture to
> core strength.  Let me know if you cannot find those reports as I likely
> still have copies stashed somewhere in my many C 43 restoration archives.
>
>
>
> Martin DeYoung
>
> Calypso
>
> 1971 C 43
>
> Seattle
>
>
> [image: Description: Description: cid:D1BF9853-22F7-47FB-86F2-4115CE0BAF2F]
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Petar
> Horvatic via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 03, 2016 8:45 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Petar Horvatic
> *Subject:* Stus-List repairing large wet deck core areas
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am getting ready to tackle the wet deck along the port genoa track and
> before I start cutting, I  have few questions for the group.
>
>
>
> Gelcoat cracks and delamination is appearing almost the length of the
> track on my 38 Mk2.   I realize that not all spider cracks are due to wet
> core, but there is some strong indication that at least  ¾ section of geona
> track area is rotten.   Namely, top deck is noticeably indented along the
> track from compression of backing plate and track screws.  I also remember
> that water was coming out of the tracks in areas where track was under
> load.Especially area in the aft section.  I pulled the track off last
> night and there is strong oxidation along the aluminum backing plate where
> ss washers and nuts were.
>
>
>
> Any idea on how to determine how far athwartship to go when cutting out
> the top laminate?  I guess tap with a mallet?  Do people mostly save the
> top laminate or decide to lay new one from scratch?  I am also thinking
> that it would be better to cut the area so entire genoa track is included
> so that I don’t have to deal with potential of uneven surface between
> repair area and untouched area where genoa track lies.   I can foresee
> potential issues with the car not riding smoothly in area of that
> transition.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Petar Horvatic
>
> Sundowner
>
> 76 C 38MkII
>
> On the hard at Stanley’s in Barrington
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I could survey a MK I at least better than most professionals IMHO just because 
I have fixed everything that breaks twice now!
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned the 
value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know. He did a 
good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if you want a 
sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement by sharing it.

I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and Nigel 
Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion that you 
have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little beyond me. 
There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of those before 
spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives, like backing 
plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false negatives. If there's 
moisture, it'll find it.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List 
> wrote:
I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, but perhaps a 
bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .
Email me privately if you want more details.

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Rino Granito via CnC-List 
> wrote:
> The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
> Ontario area ??
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> ./r
>
> On Sun, 2016-01-31 at 15:10 -0500, Rino Granito via CnC-List wrote:
> > Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
> > in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?
> >
> >
> > Thanks..
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if
you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement
by sharing it.

I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and
Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion
that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little
beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of
those before spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives,
like backing plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false
negatives. If there's moisture, it'll find it.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, but
> perhaps a bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .
> Email me privately if you want more details.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
>  Rino Granito via CnC-List  wrote:
> > The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> > know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
> > Ontario area ??
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > ./r
> >
> > On Sun, 2016-01-31 at 15:10 -0500, Rino Granito via CnC-List wrote:
> > > Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
> > > in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks..
> > >
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Tim Sippel via CnC-List]

I would second Peter , and while I agree with Steve’s “He didn’t tell me 
anything I didn’t know” (I’m guessing in reference to an insurance survey after 
owning the boat for a period of time) , when it comes to the initial purchase , 
I’d prefer to go with the “Pro” and attend if possible.

IMHO

Tim
C 33MKii
Matico

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned the 
value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know. He did a 
good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if you want a 
sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement by sharing it.

I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and Nigel 
Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion that you 
have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little beyond me. 
There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of those before 
spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives, like backing 
plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false negatives. If there's 
moisture, it'll find it.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List 
> wrote:
I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, but perhaps a 
bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .
Email me privately if you want more details.

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Rino Granito via CnC-List 
> wrote:
> The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
> Ontario area ??
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> ./r
>
> On Sun, 2016-01-31 at 15:10 -0500, Rino Granito via CnC-List wrote:
> > Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
> > in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?
> >
> >
> > Thanks..
> >
> > ___
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

For *insurance* surveys, you want the blind guy that does the survey from the 
dock.
For pre-purchase, you want the guy that wriggles in behind the engine with a 
light and a mirror.
Joe
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim Sippel 
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Cc: Tim Sippel
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

I would second Peter , and while I agree with Steve’s “He didn’t tell me 
anything I didn’t know” (I’m guessing in reference to an insurance survey after 
owning the boat for a period of time) , when it comes to the initial purchase , 
I’d prefer to go with the “Pro” and attend if possible.

IMHO

Tim
C 33MKii
Matico

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Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned the 
value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know. He did a 
good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if you want a 
sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement by sharing it.

I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and Nigel 
Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion that you 
have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little beyond me. 
There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of those before 
spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives, like backing 
plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false negatives. If there's 
moisture, it'll find it.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List 
> wrote:
I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, but perhaps a 
bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .
Email me privately if you want more details.

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Rino Granito via CnC-List 
> wrote:
> The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
> Ontario area ??
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> ./r
>
> On Sun, 2016-01-31 at 15:10 -0500, Rino Granito via CnC-List wrote:
> > Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
> > in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?
> >
> >
> > Thanks..
> >
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List]

Regardless of the surveyor that you choose, you may want to read and fully
understand his disclaimers in his contract before you use him or her.

Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY - C 39 TM
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On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> For **insurance** surveys, you want the blind guy that does the survey
> from the dock.
>
> For pre-purchase, you want the guy that wriggles in behind the engine with
> a light and a mirror.
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim
> Sippel via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:34 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Tim Sippel
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
>
>
>
> I would second Peter , and while I agree with Steve’s “He didn’t tell me
> anything I didn’t know” (I’m guessing in reference to an insurance survey
> after owning the boat for a period of time) , when it comes to the initial
> purchase , I’d prefer to go with the “Pro” and attend if possible.
>
>
>
> IMHO
>
>
>
> *Tim *
>
> *C 33MKii*
>
> *Matico*
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:27 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Stevan Plavsa
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
>
>
>
> Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
>
> He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
> the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
> He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if
> you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement
> by sharing it.
>
>
>
> I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and
> Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion
> that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little
> beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of
> those before spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives,
> like backing plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false
> negatives. If there's moisture, it'll find it.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> Suhana, C 32
>
> Toronto
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, but
> perhaps a bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .
> Email me privately if you want more details.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
>
>  Rino Granito via CnC-List  wrote:
> > The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> > know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
> > Ontario area ??
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > ./r
> >
> > On Sun, 2016-01-31 at 15:10 -0500, Rino Granito via CnC-List wrote:
> > > Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
> > > in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks..
> > >
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Rino Granito via CnC-List]

Good day..
It has a 3GM Indirect cooling from what I can tell and a Monel fuel
tank... again I need to validate this..  Now for the kicker, and please
no flaming :(  I made an offer based on a discussion and photos , I did
not see in person the boat yet..  We already had been on a few 35Mk2
before and loved this boat..  So when we saw a nice 3gm , new running
and standing rigging, we jumped.. and pulled the tricker..
Thanks,
On Wed, 2016-02-03 at 18:31 +, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List wrote:
> What engine does the boat have?
> An original A4, if RWC, can be considered fully depreciated by now
> and most of them are RWC. The optional diesel as a creation made by
> Westebeake from MG Midget engine blocks. From all I have read, it
> made a nice little engine but parts are almost impossible to get now.
> Joe
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
> Dave Syer via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 1:14 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Dave Syer
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
>  
> Rino,
>  
>  
> Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling
> around many boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial
> indeed.To be fair, most surveyors cannot realistically know the
> specific issues to look for in each model.  
> That said, we are in C land and several of the local surveyors know
> the boats and a few actually worked for C over the years.   (one -
> a dutch name escapes me, but a good guy and he's down your way.)
>  
> FWIW When I inquired about some work with Bristol marine in Port
> Credit, Nick Bailey made the following recommendations of surveyors
> who they felt knew C boats.  No affiliation or relationship etc...
>  
> have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look at the
> boat. i.e. Bill Provis, 416-801-5527; Peter McGuire 416-809-2186; or
> Wallace Gouk 416-526-3845
>  
> That said, read up, ask questions here and do your own survey as
> well.lift the cabin sole, look at all of the floor timbers
> (whatever they're called in a plastic boat)
>  
> One thing I did not do and should have, was insisted on the
> opportunity to put the boat through its paces in the water, under
> power.  
>  
> Good Luck!
>  
> Dave  - 1985 33ii
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:26:47 -0500
> From: Stevan Plavsa 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
> He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've
> questioned
> the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't
> know.
> He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my
> survey if
> you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any
> agreement
> by sharing it.
> 
> I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey
> and
> Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The
> notion
> that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a
> little
> beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one
> of
> those before spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false
> positives,
> like backing plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get
> false
> negatives. If there's moisture, it'll find it.
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[John Irvin via CnC-List]

Echo Steve's comments. Firefly's A4 is 40 years old. Still reliable as hell. 
Marvel Mystery Oil gets some of the credit  Mid-range fuel is better now that 
there's no lead..

-Original Message-
From: "Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List" 
Sent: ‎2016-‎02-‎03 3:32 PM
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Cc: "Stevan Plavsa" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

An A4 does not a dealbreaker make. 


I looked at the issue of A4 vs Diesel this way:


30 year old diesel or 30 old gasser.
The boats with the 30 year old diesel had about on average, a 5k markup over 
their A4 brethren. 


A 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor, is a 30 year old motor. 


Gas or diesel, you're looking at replacement or rebuild in not too much time. 
All kinds of things can be wrong with either. Choose one that's been well 
maintained (gas OR diesel).


A4 parts are still very available and they are easy to work on. I know gas 
engines, sort of, I don't know diesel at all having never wrenched on one. At 
the end of the day it's a SAILboat. Do you want to be a mechanic? You might 
need to be, because  30 year old motor. Mine is actually 35 years old now.


My boat was a good deal, the 1980 A4 in there was in about as good condition as 
one could want. Being a freshwater boat all her life, RWC wasn't an issue for 
me and it still isn't. If she had a diesel she would have cost me another 5k. 
Again, to my mind, there's no value there.


I kind of love my A4. It's quiet! and it always works. On the odd time that it 
doesn't, it's an easy fix: points, last time. Half an hour of digging around 
the boat for the parts and install. 


Oh yeah, and I picked up a whole spare "working pull" A4 for $300 bones. It's 
taking up space in my garage. One day, when I'm retired, in like 50 years, 
maybe I'll have time to rebuild it. 


If you're really paranoid there's the issue of gasoline on the boat. i sniff 
test the bilge before firing her up. That's worth 5k to me. Oh, and I keep the 
motor happy with clean fuel, fresh fuel lines and filters, etc. 


Cheers,
Steve




On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:

What engine does the boat have?
An original A4, if RWC, can be considered fully depreciated by now and most of 
them are RWC. The optional diesel as a creation made by Westebeake from MG 
Midget engine blocks. From all I have read, it made a nice little engine but 
parts are almost impossible to get now.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave Syer 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 1:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dave Syer

Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
 
Rino,
 
 
Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling around many 
boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial indeed.To be fair, 
most surveyors cannot realistically know the specific issues to look for in 
each model.   
That said, we are in C land and several of the local surveyors know the boats 
and a few actually worked for C over the years.   (one - a dutch name escapes 
me, but a good guy and he's down your way.)
 
FWIW When I inquired about some work with Bristol marine in Port Credit, Nick 
Bailey made the following recommendations of surveyors who they felt knew C 
boats.  No affiliation or relationship etc...
 
have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look at the boat. i.e. 
Bill Provis, 416-801-5527; Peter McGuire 416-809-2186; or Wallace Gouk 
416-526-3845
 
That said, read up, ask questions here and do your own survey as well.lift 
the cabin sole, look at all of the floor timbers (whatever they're called in a 
plastic boat)
 
One thing I did not do and should have, was insisted on the opportunity to put 
the boat through its paces in the water, under power.   
 
Good Luck!
 
Dave  - 1985 33ii
 
 
 
 
 
Message: 5
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:26:47 -0500
From: Stevan Plavsa 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if
you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement
by sharing it.

I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and
Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion
that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little
beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of
those before spending $600 

Re: Stus-List Chainplate inspection/possibly re-bedding

[Ryan Doyle via CnC-List]

Thanks so much Joseph.  Was this an MK I or an MK II?  The balsa core was in 
your deck? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2016, at 22:16, Joseph Bognar via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> My 1979 C had leaking chain Plates. It rotted out the balsa core and I 
> had a 2 ft square area around the chain plates re done . Access to the chain 
> plates is really easy . You can reach the fasteners from the lockers on each 
> side 
> 
> Sent from Joe Bognar
> 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2016, at 8:47 PM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> After rain recently I noticed a little rust-colored water leaking out from 
>> behind my chainplate on the port bulkhead on the interior.  The chainplates 
>> themselves look shiny and new, but I'm afraid some water ingress has rusted 
>> some of the bolts through the bulkhead.
>> 
>> I resealed where both chainplates protrude from the deck to stop any water 
>> from coming in, but I think it's time to really inspect (and possibly re-do) 
>> both chainplates.
>> 
>> My mast is removed, and the boat is covered.  I'm thinking I'm going to 
>> remove some bolts and see what's going on inside the bulkheads behind the 
>> chainplates… see if there's any rot in there.  I assume these bulkheads on 
>> my 1976 30 MKI are marine ply covered in fiberglass.  
>> 
>> Has anyone does this before on a 30MK I?  Any suggestions/anything I should 
>> know before I embark on this project?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Ryan
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Propeller Question for 35-3

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

I have a spare prop I took off when I replaced it with a Max Prop, 17 X 10
RH. We can talk.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-LKRe8QHE_x8/VrLWbGMeEWI/EKU/Zl7I9s_8bVw/s912-Ic42/IMG_7534.JPG



Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 3 February 2016 at 16:35, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Sam,
>
>
>
> IIRC, I’m swinging a 10x16 Martec elliptical prop.  Good forward
> performance.  Reverse requires a lot of rpms to get a response, but it
> works for me.
>
> I’m just a high speed – low drag racer anyway.
>
>
>
> Jake
>
>
>
> *Jake Brodersen*
>
> *C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”*
>
> *Hampton VA*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Sam
> Wheeler via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 3, 2016 17:08
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Sam Wheeler 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Propeller Question for 35-3
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> I recently bought a 35-3, and one of the projects it came with was the
> prop had galvanic corrosion and needed to be replaced.  It's a fixed two
> blade.
>
>
>
> The previous owners adjusted the pitch on it, apparently from 10 to 8.
> They seemed to think that improved performance but the boatyard is telling
> me that the specs for the boat and engine call for 10.  Does anyone have
> any thoughts on this?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sam
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: *Carston Grasvik* 
> Date: Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 8:19 AM
> Subject: FW: Propeller for C 35
> To: Sam Wheeler 
>
> Hi Sam,
>
>
>
> It appears your old prop has an odd pitch to it. The prop I estimated for
> you has a 10 degree pitch which is specified for your boat and engine.
> Please see note below from our prop people and advise what you’d like to do.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Carston
>
>
>
> *From:* Ernel Elkin [mailto:prop...@pacbell.net]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 01, 2016 3:47 PM
> *To:* Carston Grasvik
> *Subject:* Propeller for C 35
>
>
>
> HI CARSTON - DAVE MEASURED THE PITCH ON THE 2 BLADE AND IT IS 8"!
> UNFORTUNATELY, THE PROP I FOUND FOR YOU HAD ALREADY BEEN REPITCHED FROM 12
> TO 10 AND CAN NOT BE REPITCHED ANYMORE.  IT WOULD PROBABLY CRACK.
>
>
>
> I LOOKED AROUND AND FOUND ANOTHER 18"X 10", BUT THE PILOT BORE IS 1-1/8",
> SO THE CUSTOMER WOULD HAVE TO USE A BUSHING WITH IT AND HAVE IT REPITCHED
> TO 8".  BUSHING COST IS $74 AND REPITCHING IS $150.
>
>
>
> KIND OF A WEIRD SIZE.  THE LOWEST PITCH AVAILABLE IS 10".  PLEASE DISCUSS
> WITH YOUR CUSTOMER.  THANKS.
>
>
>
> ERNEL
>
>
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Re: Stus-List repairing large wet deck core areas

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

It sounds like you have removed the track?  Have you excavated the holes?
I would.  You may find that any rot doesn't extend too far under.  I have
found that many of my original fittings have inadequate backing plates.

You could excavate the holes, refilled with thickened epoxy and then
ensured that you had sufficient backing plates.  Cracking on the sides of
the track could be side to side stress so a backer of sufficient WIDTH may
be needed.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Feb 3, 2016 11:45 AM, "Petar Horvatic via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am getting ready to tackle the wet deck along the port genoa track and
> before I start cutting, I  have few questions for the group.
>
>
>
> Gelcoat cracks and delamination is appearing almost the length of the
> track on my 38 Mk2.   I realize that not all spider cracks are due to wet
> core, but there is some strong indication that at least  ¾ section of geona
> track area is rotten.   Namely, top deck is noticeably indented along the
> track from compression of backing plate and track screws.  I also remember
> that water was coming out of the tracks in areas where track was under
> load.Especially area in the aft section.  I pulled the track off last
> night and there is strong oxidation along the aluminum backing plate where
> ss washers and nuts were.
>
>
>
> Any idea on how to determine how far athwartship to go when cutting out
> the top laminate?  I guess tap with a mallet?  Do people mostly save the
> top laminate or decide to lay new one from scratch?  I am also thinking
> that it would be better to cut the area so entire genoa track is included
> so that I don’t have to deal with potential of uneven surface between
> repair area and untouched area where genoa track lies.   I can foresee
> potential issues with the car not riding smoothly in area of that
> transition.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Petar Horvatic
>
> Sundowner
>
> 76 C 38MkII
>
> On the hard at Stanley’s in Barrington
>
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List repairing large wet deck core areas

[Petar Horvatic via CnC-List]

Hi all,

I am getting ready to tackle the wet deck along the port genoa track and before 
I start cutting, I  have few questions for the group.  

 

Gelcoat cracks and delamination is appearing almost the length of the track on 
my 38 Mk2.   I realize that not all spider cracks are due to wet core, but 
there is some strong indication that at least  ¾ section of geona track area is 
rotten.   Namely, top deck is noticeably indented along the track from 
compression of backing plate and track screws.  I also remember that water was 
coming out of the tracks in areas where track was under load.Especially 
area in the aft section.  I pulled the track off last night and there is strong 
oxidation along the aluminum backing plate where ss washers and nuts were. 

  

Any idea on how to determine how far athwartship to go when cutting out the top 
laminate?  I guess tap with a mallet?  Do people mostly save the top laminate 
or decide to lay new one from scratch?  I am also thinking that it would be 
better to cut the area so entire genoa track is included so that I don’t have 
to deal with potential of uneven surface between repair area and untouched area 
where genoa track lies.   I can foresee potential issues with the car not 
riding smoothly in area of that transition.  

 

Thanks

 

Petar Horvatic

Sundowner

76 C 38MkII

On the hard at Stanley’s in Barrington

 

 

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Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

I used Gert Tiel...not much detail but I knew Alera was my boat when 
I saw it and just needed something for the valuation re 
insurance.  Besides, who better to survey a C?


Tom B


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


At 08:48 AM 2/3/2016, you wrote:

--

Message: 6
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 16:32:19 +
From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
Message-ID:
<39506b530a0a40bb8d92428e92f33...@nsc-dag3-06.ba.ad.ssa.gov>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I could survey a MK I at least better than most professionals IMHO 
just because I have fixed everything that breaks twice now!

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've 
questioned the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me 
anything I didn't know. He did a good job but stayed within his 
scope. I can send you my survey if you want a sample of the work. I 
don't believe I'm breaking any agreement by sharing it.


I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey 
and Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. 
The notion that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture 
meter is a little beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn 
about a boat with one of those before spending $600 on a survey. 
Sure, you can get false positives, like backing plates registering 
as moisture .. but you won't get false negatives. If there's 
moisture, it'll find it.


Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List 
> wrote:
I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, 
but perhaps a bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .

Email me privately if you want more details.

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Rino Granito via CnC-List 
> wrote:


> The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
 ...snip...
> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to 
the bottom of page at:

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 16:34:01 +
From: Tim Sippel 
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
Message-ID:



Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I would second Peter , and while I agree with Steve?s ?He didn?t 
tell me anything I didn?t know? (I?m guessing in reference to an 
insurance survey after owning the boat for a period of time) , when 
it comes to the initial purchase , I?d prefer to go with the ?Pro? 
and attend if possible.


IMHO

Tim
C 33MKii
Matico

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've 
questioned the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me 
anything I didn't know. He did a good job but stayed within his 
scope. I can send you my survey if you want a sample of the work. I 
don't believe I'm breaking any agreement by sharing it.


I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey 
and Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. 
The notion that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture 
meter is a little beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn 
about a boat with one of those before spending $600 on a survey. 
Sure, you can get false positives, like backing plates registering 
as moisture .. but you won't get false negatives. If there's 
moisture, it'll find it.


Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List 
> wrote:
I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, 
but perhaps a bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .

Email me privately if you want more details.

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Most surveys (pre-purchase and pre-insurance) don't include the rig or the
engine.  Both can cause significant costs and risks.  Each survey is in
addition to the basic for about $300 each.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Feb 2, 2016 7:07 PM, "Rino Granito via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
> Ontario area ??
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> ./r
>
> On Sun, 2016-01-31 at 15:10 -0500, Rino Granito via CnC-List wrote:
> > Hi,  Just looking to hear back from the group, on what I might expect
> > in terms of sail behavior and if she can handle some offshore stuff ?
> >
> >
> > Thanks..
> >
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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I have had a couple of insurance surveys. If we did a pre-purchase back in 1977 
I cannot find it.
I had to fight with the insurance surveyors about things related to water/gas 
tight engine spaces that did not exist in 1973, but other than that no big 
deal. They also really don’t like CNG unless installed just like propane, which 
is backwards because CNG is lighter than air.

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 12:33 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

I only ever had one survey and it was the pre-purchase.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List 
> wrote:
I used Gert Tiel...not much detail but I knew Alera was my boat when I saw it 
and just needed something for the valuation re insurance.  Besides, who better 
to survey a C?

Tom B

Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com


At 08:48 AM 2/3/2016, you wrote:
--

Message: 6
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 16:32:19 +
From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
>
To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" 
>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
Message-ID:
 
<39506b530a0a40bb8d92428e92f33...@nsc-dag3-06.ba.ad.ssa.gov>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I could survey a MK I at least better than most professionals IMHO just because 
I have fixed everything that breaks twice now!
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned the 
value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know. He did a 
good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if you want a 
sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement by sharing it.

I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and Nigel 
Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion that you 
have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little beyond me. 
There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of those before 
spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives, like backing 
plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false negatives. If there's 
moisture, it'll find it.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List 
>>
 wrote:
I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, but perhaps a 
bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .
Email me privately if you want more details.

Steve Thomas
C MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Rino Granito via CnC-List 
< 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

> The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
 ...snip...
> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom 
> of page at:
> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com


Message: 7
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 16:34:01 +
From: Tim Sippel >
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
Message-ID:
 
>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I would second Peter , and while I agree with Steve?s ?He didn?t tell me 
anything I didn?t know? (I?m guessing in reference to an insurance survey after 
owning the boat for a period of time) , when it comes to the initial purchase , 
I?d prefer to go with the ?Pro? and attend if possible.

IMHO

Tim
C 33MKii
Matico

From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
Plavsa via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Stevan Plavsa
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did 

Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

I only ever had one survey and it was the pre-purchase.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I used Gert Tiel...not much detail but I knew Alera was my boat when I saw
> it and just needed something for the valuation re insurance.  Besides, who
> better to survey a C?
>
> Tom B
>
> Tom Buscaglia
> SV Alera
> 1990 C 37+/40
> Vashon Island WA
> (206) 463-9200
> www.sv-alera.com
>
>
> At 08:48 AM 2/3/2016, you wrote:
>
> --
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 16:32:19 +
> From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
> To: "'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
> Message-ID:
>  <39506b530a0a40bb8d92428e92f33...@nsc-dag3-06.ba.ad.ssa.gov>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I could survey a MK I at least better than most professionals IMHO just
> because I have fixed everything that breaks twice now!
> Joe
> Coquina
> C 35 MK I
>
>
> From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:27 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Stevan Plavsa
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
>
> Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
> He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
> the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
> He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if
> you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement
> by sharing it.
>
> I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and
> Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion
> that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little
> beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of
> those before spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives,
> like backing plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false
> negatives. If there's moisture, it'll find it.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> I know one, who is very good if you want to know about your boat, but
> perhaps a bit over picky if it is insurance you seek. .
> Email me privately if you want more details.
>
> Steve Thomas
> C MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
>  Rino Granito via CnC-List  mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> wrote:
>
> > The offer has been accepted :)  Now on for the survey.  Does anyone
> > know of a good surveyor that knows the C 35 in the Port Dover ,
>  ...snip...
> > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the
> bottom of page at:
> > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
>
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 16:34:01 +
> From: Tim Sippel 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
> Message-ID:
>  <
> blupr04mb691e87a8f3e9b25539c073bb0...@blupr04mb691.namprd04.prod.outlook.com
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I would second Peter , and while I agree with Steve?s ?He didn?t tell me
> anything I didn?t know? (I?m guessing in reference to an insurance survey
> after owning the boat for a period of time) , when it comes to the initial
> purchase , I?d prefer to go with the ?Pro? and attend if possible.
>
> IMHO
>
> Tim
> C 33MKii
> Matico
>
> From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] On Behalf Of Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 11:27 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Stevan Plavsa
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
>
> Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
> He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
> the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
> He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if
> you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement
> by sharing it.
>
> I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and
> Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion
> that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little
> beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of
> those before spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives,
> like backing plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false
> negatives. If there's moisture, it'll find it.
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C 32
> Toronto
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 9:37 PM, sthoma20--- via CnC-List <
> 

Stus-List Fwd: Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Dave Syer via CnC-List]

Gert Tiel - that's the Dutch name I could not remember!   He worked
there.   In the plant?
Nice guy who generously gave me great advice in a lengthy conversation over
the phone as I was evaluating a 35i .(Mystic)   Very intimate knowledge of
the construction of the boat.Ultimately I took his advice and bought
"the newest boat within your budget".  '85 33ii.

Dave



Message: 1
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2016 09:05:38 -0800
From: Tom Buscaglia 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
Message-ID:
<201602031705.u13h5m4f025...@jax4mhob03.myregisteredsite.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"

I used Gert Tiel...not much detail but I knew Alera was my boat when
I saw it and just needed something for the valuation re
insurance.  Besides, who better to survey a C?

Tom B


Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com

-- Forwarded message --
From: Dave Syer 
Date: Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com


Rino,


Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling around
many boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial indeed.To
be fair, most surveyors cannot realistically know the specific issues to
look for in each model.
That said, we are in C land and several of the local surveyors know the
boats and a few actually worked for C over the years.   (one - a dutch
name escapes me, but a good guy and he's down your way.)


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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Dave Syer via CnC-List]

Rino,


Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling around
many boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial indeed.To
be fair, most surveyors cannot realistically know the specific issues to
look for in each model.
That said, we are in C land and several of the local surveyors know the
boats and a few actually worked for C over the years.   (one - a dutch
name escapes me, but a good guy and he's down your way.)

FWIW When I inquired about some work with Bristol marine in Port Credit,
Nick Bailey made the following recommendations of surveyors who they felt
knew C boats.  No affiliation or relationship etc...

*have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look at the boat.
i.e. Bill Provis, **416-801-5527* <416-801-5527>*; Peter McGuire *
*416-809-2186* <416-809-2186>*; or Wallace Gouk **416-526-3845*
<416-526-3845>

That said, read up, ask questions here and do your own survey as
well.lift the cabin sole, look at all of the floor timbers (whatever
they're called in a plastic boat)

One thing I did not do and should have, was insisted on the opportunity to
put the boat through its paces in the water, under power.

Good Luck!

Dave  - 1985 33ii





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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:26:47 -0500
From: Stevan Plavsa 
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Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if
you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement
by sharing it.

I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and
Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion
that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little
beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of
those before spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives,
like backing plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false
negatives. If there's moisture, it'll find it.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List repairing large wet deck core areas

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Petar

This link shows a recoring project on our former boat 
http://users.eastlink.ca/~mhoyt/Projects/recore/recore.htm

Initially we had 4 stanchions that had cracked deck (not just gelcoat) at the 
stanchion bases.  The first year I recored these four areas only.  The link 
above details that job.  The following year I had a surveyor check out the 
entire deck and hull for moisture.  We noted the wet areas (all on the decks) 
and replaced the core in all remaining wet areas except the cockpit seats (done 
another year).  This project involved replacing the core under the genoa tracks 
and also under the primary winches among the 14 areas of problem.

When I replace core material I never save the top skin.  However I do know a 
lot of people do and that is your option.  Most of the wet areas on a deck are 
in non skid areas so it is very easy to rebuild your own top skin and I find 
that process a whole lot simpler.  This is my preference but not necessarily 
better nor worse than keeping the top skin and reusing.  The two benefits of 
not reusing top skin are 1. It is more work to remove the top skin than to 
discard it and 2. You may get air voids under the replaced top skin if not done 
well.  The benefits of retaining the top skin are that you have the contours of 
the deck area saved.  This is nice on a coach roof for example

When I start removing the core I normally drill some pilot holes to determine 
how far the wetness and the rot extends.  Typically the rot is localized but 
the moisture travels quite far.  I cut out the area that I know is wet and then 
if I am still in wet core I continue removing until I get to dry core.  Note 
that wet core is not soft.  Rotten core is soft.  Wet balsa can actually still 
adhere quite well to the bottom and top skin and be strong.  However why would 
you leave it?  It is not much more work to replace core in a 1 x 4 ft section 
of deck than it is a 6” by 2 ft section.

For an idea of the labour involved compare to a bottom job.  Nut Case our J27 
took 50 hours to strip the bottom to gel coat (by hand), apply barrier coat and 
then antifoul.  By comparison was only 30 hours to replace four sections of 
core material that same year.

Note that I have done this job using polyester resins (large areas and cost) as 
well as epoxy.

If you have any questions do not hesitate to ask.

Mike

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Petar 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 12:45 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Petar Horvatic
Subject: Stus-List repairing large wet deck core areas

Hi all,
I am getting ready to tackle the wet deck along the port genoa track and before 
I start cutting, I  have few questions for the group.

Gelcoat cracks and delamination is appearing almost the length of the track on 
my 38 Mk2.   I realize that not all spider cracks are due to wet core, but 
there is some strong indication that at least  ¾ section of geona track area is 
rotten.   Namely, top deck is noticeably indented along the track from 
compression of backing plate and track screws.  I also remember that water was 
coming out of the tracks in areas where track was under load.Especially 
area in the aft section.  I pulled the track off last night and there is strong 
oxidation along the aluminum backing plate where ss washers and nuts were.

Any idea on how to determine how far athwartship to go when cutting out the top 
laminate?  I guess tap with a mallet?  Do people mostly save the top laminate 
or decide to lay new one from scratch?  I am also thinking that it would be 
better to cut the area so entire genoa track is included so that I don’t have 
to deal with potential of uneven surface between repair area and untouched area 
where genoa track lies.   I can foresee potential issues with the car not 
riding smoothly in area of that transition.

Thanks

Petar Horvatic
Sundowner
76 C 38MkII
On the hard at Stanley’s in Barrington


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Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

What engine does the boat have?
An original A4, if RWC, can be considered fully depreciated by now and most of 
them are RWC. The optional diesel as a creation made by Westebeake from MG 
Midget engine blocks. From all I have read, it made a nice little engine but 
parts are almost impossible to get now.
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

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Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 1:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dave Syer
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2

Rino,


Agreed with Steve, after reviewing MANY surveys over and crawling around many 
boats, over 3 decades, I find most are very superficial indeed.To be fair, 
most surveyors cannot realistically know the specific issues to look for in 
each model.
That said, we are in C land and several of the local surveyors know the boats 
and a few actually worked for C over the years.   (one - a dutch name escapes 
me, but a good guy and he's down your way.)

FWIW When I inquired about some work with Bristol marine in Port Credit, Nick 
Bailey made the following recommendations of surveyors who they felt knew C 
boats.  No affiliation or relationship etc...

have an experienced surveyor familiar with these issues look at the boat. i.e. 
Bill Provis, 416-801-5527; Peter McGuire 
416-809-2186; or Wallace Gouk 416-526-3845

That said, read up, ask questions here and do your own survey as well.lift 
the cabin sole, look at all of the floor timbers (whatever they're called in a 
plastic boat)

One thing I did not do and should have, was insisted on the opportunity to put 
the boat through its paces in the water, under power.

Good Luck!

Dave  - 1985 33ii





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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 11:26:47 -0500
From: Stevan Plavsa >
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Made an offer on a C 35 mk2
Message-ID:

>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Peter McGuire, Fastnet Yacht Services.
He did mine. I wasn't unhappy with the work but since then I've questioned
the value of surveys in general. He didn't tell me anything I didn't know.
He did a good job but stayed within his scope. I can send you my survey if
you want a sample of the work. I don't believe I'm breaking any agreement
by sharing it.

I'm far from a pro, just a blunderer who's read a lot of Don Casey and
Nigel Calder. I own the same moisture meter that those guys use. The notion
that you have to be a rocket surgeon to use a moisture meter is a little
beyond me. There's a lot an amateur can learn about a boat with one of
those before spending $600 on a survey. Sure, you can get false positives,
like backing plates registering as moisture .. but you won't get false
negatives. If there's moisture, it'll find it.

Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List repairing large wet deck core areas

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Petar,

Based on repairing significant areas of rotten and wet core on Calypso I agree 
with what Mike Hoyt posted.  I did most of Calypso’s repairs from the inside 
owing to the ease of access and the many contoured areas involved.  With a 
repair under a genoa track, especially if your access to the underside is 
limited working from the top will be far easier.

When I was tracking down the extent of rot and very wet core I used a ballpeen 
hammer and tapped all around the suspect deck.  Start in a known dry, well 
bonded area and calibrate your ear to the sound.  Likely well bonded laminates 
will sound “sharp” or “bright”.  Then move to a known or suspected failed area. 
 The sound will likely become “dull” or “hollow”.  I also made many test holes 
as Mike described.

If you are lucky the damaged areas are all concentrated around the fastener 
holes and the repair areas will be small.

As to how wet balsa can be without concern, I recommend you visit Baltek’s web 
site.  Baltek has links to some studies that compare % of moisture to core 
strength.  Let me know if you cannot find those reports as I likely still have 
copies stashed somewhere in my many C 43 restoration archives.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C 43
Seattle

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Horvatic via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 8:45 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Petar Horvatic
Subject: Stus-List repairing large wet deck core areas

Hi all,
I am getting ready to tackle the wet deck along the port genoa track and before 
I start cutting, I  have few questions for the group.

Gelcoat cracks and delamination is appearing almost the length of the track on 
my 38 Mk2.   I realize that not all spider cracks are due to wet core, but 
there is some strong indication that at least  ¾ section of geona track area is 
rotten.   Namely, top deck is noticeably indented along the track from 
compression of backing plate and track screws.  I also remember that water was 
coming out of the tracks in areas where track was under load.Especially 
area in the aft section.  I pulled the track off last night and there is strong 
oxidation along the aluminum backing plate where ss washers and nuts were.

Any idea on how to determine how far athwartship to go when cutting out the top 
laminate?  I guess tap with a mallet?  Do people mostly save the top laminate 
or decide to lay new one from scratch?  I am also thinking that it would be 
better to cut the area so entire genoa track is included so that I don’t have 
to deal with potential of uneven surface between repair area and untouched area 
where genoa track lies.   I can foresee potential issues with the car not 
riding smoothly in area of that transition.

Thanks

Petar Horvatic
Sundowner
76 C 38MkII
On the hard at Stanley’s in Barrington


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