Re: Stus-List Dull red hull

[Joseph Bognar via CnC-List]

Frank : where are you located . The only thing that I recommend is Aqua buff 
1000 and 2000 it will make the boat shine like it was brand new . Once you get 
the technique down then it's really easy . Lots of water and a high speed 
buffer with a wool pad . If you are in the Toronto area I can certainly show 
you how to buff it . 

Sent from Joe Bognar


> On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:26 PM, Franklin Schenk via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
>   My friend has a C with a red hull.  I would like to polish it with 
> something to bring back the original color.  Many years ago I could buy a car 
> polish that would do the job.  I assume that there are new products available 
> today.  Any suggestions?
> 
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Re: Stus-List Dull red hull

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Hi Frank,

I just did my boat with Aurora Marine Boat Shine.  It worked very well.  
There's a two part wash, then you buff the hull with a product called EZ Buff, 
and then give it two coats of Boat Shine which applies and is removed like a 
traditional wax.  I was really amazed how my C 25 shined up.   It was a lot 
of work, but she looks great and according to Aurora, the shine should last up 
to a year.time will tell.

Mark McMenamy
C 25 "Icicle"
Fort Pierce FL

On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:27 PM, Franklin Schenk via CnC-List 
> wrote:

  My friend has a C with a red hull.  I would like to polish it with 
something to bring back the original color.  Many years ago I could buy a car 
polish that would do the job.  I assume that there are new products available 
today.  Any suggestions?

Frank
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Stus-List Disassemble a Barient 22 Winch

[robert via CnC-List]

Dennis:

Correct, mine is the Barient 22 New B Model.

You just reminded me of how I took these apart some years back..I 
did place wooded wedges between the drum base and deck to keep it in 
place.   Will do it again, maybe tomorrow.


Thank you and thank everyone else.
Regards

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32- 84
Halifax, N.S.


On 2016-07-20 10:15 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
Assume you have the Barient 22 New B model.  The photoalbum has 
manuals for many of our winches.  (Thank you, Stu)  Go here:


http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/winches/mod22.htm

Assuming a strap wrench and other methods fail, two more suggestions.

1.  Secure a line to a cleat.  Wrap it around the winch several 
times.  Take it to another winch and tighten to hold the first winch 
from turning.


2.  Drive several wooden or plastic wedges between drum skirt and deck.

On reassembly, coat the threads with Tefgel so it comes apart easily 
next time.


Dennis C.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 5:48 PM, robert via CnC-List 
> wrote:


It's been a few years since I serviced my Barient 22 winches and I
can't remember how I disassembled them..specifically, how to
unscrew the 'Allen Screw' because when you try to do it, the winch
turns.

If you don't have a winch handle that allows an 'Allen Key' to
drop down into it to reach the 'Allen Screw', how do you prevent
the winch from turning to loosen the 'Allen Screw'?

I bow to the collective wisdom of the C site to help me.more
importantly, my winches need lubrication.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


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Stus-List Dull red hull

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  My friend has a C with a red hull.  I would like to polish it with 
something to bring back the original color.  Many years ago I could buy a car 
polish that would do the job.  I assume that there are new products available 
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Re: Stus-List Disassemble a Barient 22 Winch

[G Collins via CnC-List]

Or it could be that I didn't read the subject line.

Barient 22, try this one.  Doesn't have the 22 but I would expect the 23 looks 
similar.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2016-07-20 10:19 PM, G Collins via CnC-List wrote:

Hi Bob

There is an exploded diagram on the L-36 page, which matches my 28s.  Are yours 
different from this?

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2016-07-20 9:48 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote:
Peter:

The Barient 28 winch disassembles differently from the Barient 22..the 22 
doesn't have the 'lock' on the top as does the 28.

Find me the YouTube on the Barient 22 disassemble.I can't.

The frustrating part of this is that I took these winches apart 5 or 7 years 
ago but can't remember how I did it.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2016-07-20 9:23 PM, Peter Delean via CnC-List wrote:
You can watch a young man service his Barient 28 winches on YouTube. Search 
"Barient winch service."
He spends a minute or two explaining how to get the lock undone without the 
original tool.

PeterDelean
Drifter II, C 30 Mk 1
Penetanguishene, ON

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Re: Stus-List Disassemble a Barient 22 Winch

[G Collins via CnC-List]

Hi Bob

There is an exploded diagram on the L-36 page, which matches my 28s.  Are yours 
different from this?

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C 35-III #11

On 2016-07-20 9:48 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote:
Peter:

The Barient 28 winch disassembles differently from the Barient 22..the 22 
doesn't have the 'lock' on the top as does the 28.

Find me the YouTube on the Barient 22 disassemble.I can't.

The frustrating part of this is that I took these winches apart 5 or 7 years 
ago but can't remember how I did it.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2016-07-20 9:23 PM, Peter Delean via CnC-List wrote:
You can watch a young man service his Barient 28 winches on YouTube. Search 
"Barient winch service."
He spends a minute or two explaining how to get the lock undone without the 
original tool.

PeterDelean
Drifter II, C 30 Mk 1
Penetanguishene, ON

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Re: Stus-List Disassemble a Barient 22 Winch

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Assume you have the Barient 22 New B model.  The photoalbum has manuals for
many of our winches.  (Thank you, Stu)  Go here:

http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/winches/mod22.htm

Assuming a strap wrench and other methods fail, two more suggestions.

1.  Secure a line to a cleat.  Wrap it around the winch several times.
Take it to another winch and tighten to hold the first winch from turning.

2.  Drive several wooden or plastic wedges between drum skirt and deck.

On reassembly, coat the threads with Tefgel so it comes apart easily next
time.

Dennis C.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 5:48 PM, robert via CnC-List 
wrote:

> It's been a few years since I serviced my Barient 22 winches and I can't
> remember how I disassembled them..specifically, how to unscrew the
> 'Allen Screw' because when you try to do it, the winch turns.
>
> If you don't have a winch handle that allows an 'Allen Key' to drop down
> into it to reach the 'Allen Screw', how do you prevent the winch from
> turning to loosen the 'Allen Screw'?
>
> I bow to the collective wisdom of the C site to help me.more
> importantly, my winches need lubrication.
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C 32 - 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Keel bulge around near keel bolt

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Gene,

 

This is certainly an unusual problem, at least for this list.  I can think of 
two things that might cause the bulge, water intrusion or rust.  This may be a 
combination of the two.  There is certainly something going on around the keel 
bolt.  Drilling into the cavity may reveal the cause.  In any case, holes are 
easy to fill.  Time for some exploratory surgery.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”

Hampton VA

 

 

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 12:26
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Eugene Fodor 
Subject: Stus-List Keel bulge around near keel bolt

 

Hi There,

 

I'm looking to get some opinions on how to treat some bulging around one of my 
keel bolts. It is symmetrical and I believe it is from a small amount of water 
intrusion around the bolt and then freezing during the winter. The 
recommendation from the marina was to drill holes into the bulge and drain and 
then fill with epoxy and hammer it in so that it drives deep into the gaps. And 
then remove the keel nuts in the bilge and epoxy around the bolt base to fill 
any gaps and prevent further intrusion. 

 

Anyone else have this problem? What did you do and was it effective?

 

Thanks,

 

Gene Fodor

"Hawk"

C 29-2

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Stus-List Disassemble a Barient 22 Winch

[robert via CnC-List]

Hi Rick:

I actually might have a 'strap wrench' on the boat...I use it to 
loosen the engine oil filter...I'll try it tomorrow.


Any and all other suggestions still welcomed.

Thank you.

Rob Abbott
AZUAR
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2016-07-20 8:58 PM, Rick Taillieu via CnC-List wrote:

Rob,

1 - Find someone that has the little plastic handle that came with the
winches that you can borrow. Use that to hold the drum while you loosen the
allen screw, or;
2 - Find an old locking winch handle that has the locking mechanism broken,
pop the broken bits off and use as above, or;
3 - Use a strap wrench to hold the drum then loosen the screw.

I have the little wrench if you can't find someone at your club that has
one.

Rick Taillieu
Nemesis
'75 C 25  #371
Shearwater Yacht Club
Halifax, NS.



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via CnC-List
Sent: July-20-16 19:48
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Disassemble a Barient 22 Winch

It's been a few years since I serviced my Barient 22 winches and I can't
remember how I disassembled them..specifically, how to unscrew the
'Allen Screw' because when you try to do it, the winch turns.

If you don't have a winch handle that allows an 'Allen Key' to drop down
into it to reach the 'Allen Screw', how do you prevent the winch from
turning to loosen the 'Allen Screw'?

I bow to the collective wisdom of the C site to help me.more
importantly, my winches need lubrication.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List Disassemble a Barient 22 Winch

[robert via CnC-List]

Peter:

The Barient 28 winch disassembles differently from the Barient 
22..the 22 doesn't have the 'lock' on the top as does the 28.


Find me the YouTube on the Barient 22 disassemble.I can't.

The frustrating part of this is that I took these winches apart 5 or 7 
years ago but can't remember how I did it.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2016-07-20 9:23 PM, Peter Delean via CnC-List wrote:

You can watch a young man service his Barient 28 winches on YouTube. Search "Barient 
winch service."
He spends a minute or two explaining how to get the lock undone without the 
original tool.

PeterDelean
Drifter II, C 30 Mk 1
Penetanguishene, ON

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Re: Stus-List Disassemble a Barient 22 Winch

[Peter Delean via CnC-List]

You can watch a young man service his Barient 28 winches on YouTube. Search 
"Barient winch service."
He spends a minute or two explaining how to get the lock undone without the 
original tool.

PeterDelean
Drifter II, C 30 Mk 1
Penetanguishene, ON

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Re: Stus-List Disassemble a Barient 22 Winch

[Rick Taillieu via CnC-List]

Rob,

1 - Find someone that has the little plastic handle that came with the
winches that you can borrow. Use that to hold the drum while you loosen the
allen screw, or;
2 - Find an old locking winch handle that has the locking mechanism broken,
pop the broken bits off and use as above, or;
3 - Use a strap wrench to hold the drum then loosen the screw.

I have the little wrench if you can't find someone at your club that has
one.

Rick Taillieu
Nemesis
'75 C 25  #371
Shearwater Yacht Club
Halifax, NS.



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Sent: July-20-16 19:48
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert
Subject: Stus-List Disassemble a Barient 22 Winch

It's been a few years since I serviced my Barient 22 winches and I can't
remember how I disassembled them..specifically, how to unscrew the
'Allen Screw' because when you try to do it, the winch turns.

If you don't have a winch handle that allows an 'Allen Key' to drop down
into it to reach the 'Allen Screw', how do you prevent the winch from
turning to loosen the 'Allen Screw'?

I bow to the collective wisdom of the C site to help me.more
importantly, my winches need lubrication.

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


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Stus-List Disassemble a Barient 22 Winch

[robert via CnC-List]

It's been a few years since I serviced my Barient 22 winches and I can't 
remember how I disassembled them..specifically, how to unscrew the 
'Allen Screw' because when you try to do it, the winch turns.


If you don't have a winch handle that allows an 'Allen Key' to drop down 
into it to reach the 'Allen Screw', how do you prevent the winch from 
turning to loosen the 'Allen Screw'?


I bow to the collective wisdom of the C site to help me.more 
importantly, my winches need lubrication.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List Crew needed in Annapolis tonight

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Sorry, my Osprey is in the shop!

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Don Harben via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> Please send private vertical landing jet.
>
> Don
>
> Don Harben
> Viking 34
> Life
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Please send private vertical landing jet. 

Don

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Re: Stus-List Crew needed in Annapolis tonight

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

The transporter — yes. 

Should be Tuesday (obscure Enterprise-B joke) 

Good luck tonight. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 









> On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:42 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Edd,
> 
> Teleporter down?
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> > wrote:
> Joel,
> 
> Please send helicopter. 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
> 
>   
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Re: Stus-List Crew needed in Annapolis tonight

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Edd,

Teleporter down?



On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Joel,
>
> Please send helicopter.
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:20 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Last minute call - I'm skippering a J30 tonight.  Need a bowman.  Let me
> know if you can help out!
>
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Stus-List Crew needed in Annapolis tonight

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

I wish I was closer... To race ya ! 


No racing for the Take Five crew this evening..  Racing Committee duty 
calls. 1st time we do it, should be fun. 

> Last minute call - I'm skippering a J30 tonight.  Need a bowman.  Let me 
know if you can help out!

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1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA


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Re: Stus-List Crew needed in Annapolis tonight

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What's the deal?  I'm newer (1yr experience.)  all my stuff,  PFD,
gloves,  shoes,  are back home 1. 5 hr from here.   I've never crewed
before. I just happen to be in Baltimore and start heading home to
Herrington Harbor,  in an hour. Annapolis is on the way.   Not sure I can
help,  but willing.

Lorne Serpa
C 30MKII 1988
Friendship,  MD
On Jul 20, 2016 3:25 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" 
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> We'll be done by 8:00.
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Would if I didn't work tomorrow at 5am.
>>
>> Lorne Serpa
>> C 30MKII 1988
>> Friendship,  MD
>> On Jul 20, 2016 3:21 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Last minute call - I'm skippering a J30 tonight.  Need a bowman.  Let me
>>> know if you can help out!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joel
>>> 301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List Crew needed in Annapolis tonight

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Do it Lorne!  Hike up them big boy pants and get out there!  What doesn’t kill 
us makes us stronger..or something like that!

I’m going to do bow on an Etchells tonight and will be working at 5am (or 
earlier)…and I’m 60 years old!

Chuck G.

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA 

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 3:23 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Lorne Serpa 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Crew needed in Annapolis tonight

 

Would if I didn't work tomorrow at 5am.

Lorne Serpa 
C 30MKII 1988
Friendship,  MD

On Jul 20, 2016 3:21 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List"  > wrote:

Last minute call - I'm skippering a J30 tonight.  Need a bowman.  Let me know 
if you can help out!


 

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Joel,

Please send helicopter. 

All the best,

Edd


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Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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> Last minute call - I'm skippering a J30 tonight.  Need a bowman.  Let me know 
> if you can help out!
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Re: Stus-List Crew needed in Annapolis tonight

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

We'll be done by 8:00.

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Lorne Serpa via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Would if I didn't work tomorrow at 5am.
>
> Lorne Serpa
> C 30MKII 1988
> Friendship,  MD
> On Jul 20, 2016 3:21 PM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Last minute call - I'm skippering a J30 tonight.  Need a bowman.  Let me
>> know if you can help out!
>>
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Re: Stus-List Crew needed in Annapolis tonight

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Me too!

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> Wish I was closer!
>
> Andrew Burton
> 61 W Narragansett
> Newport, RI
> USA02840
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
> +401 965-5260
>
> > On Jul 20, 2016, at 15:20, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > Last minute call - I'm skippering a J30 tonight.  Need a bowman.  Let me
> know if you can help out!
> >
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Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing

[RANDY via CnC-List]

Got it, makes sense. My acronym decoder wasn't working when I read that :) 

Cheers, 
Randy 

- Original Message -

From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Michael Brown"  
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 8:11:17 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing 

OD as in One Design, like a Melges 20, J/22 etc. 
The class rules cover weight, sails, sometimes even 
this size of all the running rigging. In larger fleets 
there are tuning documents, some are so detailed 
they will recommend shroud tension by wind and 
wave conditions, Most fleets have accurate polars 
because the boats should be the same, and sail 
the same. After a while every detail is wrung out 
to what is the fastest settings and what speed 
you will get. 

On the newest designs a lot of the set up is calculated 
by computer before the boats hit the water. 

With our generation there was a lot of production 
differences, sometimes +/- over a hundred pounds 
of weight, and possibly no one has the same sails 
even if they are ~ 155%. At best a polar would be 
a very rough guide. 

Michael Brown 
Windburn 
C 30-1 

From: RANDY  
To: cnc-list  
Cc: Michael Brown  
Sent: 7/19/2016 6:36 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing 




Way to go Michael! 

One question: what did you mean by "OD" (in " It is not a OD where a computer 
has figured out the precise point to set everything, and anything even slightly 
off is slower"). 

Cheers, 
Randy 


From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List"  
To: "cnc-list"  
Cc: "Michael Brown"  
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 7:59:18 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing 

I am just back from 47 hours of racing a C 30-1, the Lake Ontario 300 
Scotch Bonnet course. We do the Double Handed Flying Sail class, and 
carry both a symmetrical and asymmetrical spinnakers. 

As usual Lake Ontario presents a wide range of sailing conditions even 
over 2 days, ranging from dead air for a couple of hours trying to round 
Scotch Bonnet to 31 kts apparent on the nose coming in to the Niagara mark. 

The 30-1 seems to handle everything OK. Hard to summarize any specific 
characteristics but as others have mentioned upgrade the rigging so you 
can correctly trim the sails even under heavy load. Despite being 30' they 
lines will load up a lot. I have the big boat harken main traveler with a 
4:1 primary sheet and a further 4:1 fine adjuster. I put on captive ball 
genoa tracks this year and adjust them all the time now under load. 

There is still some magic in these old boats. Windburn took first in class, 
first in fleet ( pretty much the same ) and first corrected all boats in the 
Scotch Bonnet course. We had aspirations of line honors even against 
boats like the J/33, Jenneau 50 and C 115 but the aforementioned 
dead air at Scotch Bonnet killed our miles of lead over the fleet. 

So sail your C 30 hard, watch your VMG and trim constantly. It is 
not a OD where a computer has figured out the precise point to set 
everything, and anything even slightly off is slower. The 30-1 will 
handle way more sail area in a breeze than conventional wisdom 
will recommend. 

And have lots of fun! 

Michael Brown 
Windburn 
C 30-1 


Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:15:57 -0400 
From: "Gary Nylander"  
To:  
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing 
Message-ID: <000501d1e1bf$bc5dc4c0$35194e40$@atlanticbb.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

Recommend not to pinch, the boat seems to want to be free. Also, you should 
have inboard genoa tracks to help pointing, but need to sheet the genoa 
outboard for reaching. My tracks are about four feet aft of the shrouds, in 
line with them and are six feet long? I have adjustable cars (Garhauer) but use 
a snatch block on the rail when reaching. I set the rig tension on the medium 
to loose side, but race in mostly light air. Selection is a 155, 140, 110 ? all 
Dacron (had high tech but when they fail?they fail big and my budget didn?t fit 
getting new ones every four years). 

Gary 

#593 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steven 
Tattrie via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 9:13 AM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Steven Tattrie  
Subject: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing 

Hi, 

I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a C 30 
MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the best out of 
the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or weaknesses 
specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for a couple 
decades so not looking for general sailing tips. I want to know what is best 
for the 30MK1 or hear from your experience what work best. 

I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch 

Re: Stus-List Crew needed in Annapolis tonight

[Lorne Serpa via CnC-List]

Would if I didn't work tomorrow at 5am.

Lorne Serpa
C 30MKII 1988
Friendship,  MD
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> know if you can help out!
>
> --
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Re: Stus-List Crew needed in Annapolis tonight

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Wish I was closer!

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

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> On Jul 20, 2016, at 15:20, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Last minute call - I'm skippering a J30 tonight.  Need a bowman.  Let me know 
> if you can help out!
> 
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Stus-List Crew needed in Annapolis tonight

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Last minute call - I'm skippering a J30 tonight.  Need a bowman.  Let me
know if you can help out!

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Re: Stus-List Relocating the Yanmar key now alternator..

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

If your alternator is not working then you should simple get an alternator 
buzzer alarm.  

This assumes your alternator alarm is working.  When you turn your key on to 
provide power before actually cranking the engine the engine, you should hear 
the buzzer and see possible two lights on.  If you don’t have lights, you can 
disconnect the wire on the engine oil pressure switch.  The pressure switch 
provide alarm ground when there is no(or low) pressure.  Unplug this wire and 
keep it from grounding against the engine block and turn the key on, if you get 
a buzzer then the alternator alarm is working.

Some of the confusion regarding killing or not killing an alternator may likely 
stems to the the type of alternator and how it’s connected.  Most Yanmars come 
with internally regulated Hitachi alternators.  Maine Sail called these 
alternators “ dumber than a pound of beetle poop”.  

My old C 29 had the standard 35A Hitachi.  The key switch would only provide 
12V power to a line through an alternator alarm buzzer then to the alternators 
“lamp” connection.  When the alternator was not spinning, the “lamp” connection 
provided the ground for the buzzer to alarm.  When the alternator was spinning 
and working, it provided 14V at the “Lamp” connector and since it was also 
providing 14V to the battery, the alarm buzzer saw 14V before and after (i.e. 
zero volt difference) and stopped buzzing.  The alternator also had a 
connection (top of T-connector) for the battery sensing used by the internal 
regulator. In this case, the sense was connected via a short loop to the 
battery connection.   So for this arrangement, I would guess that shutting off 
the key switch would not harm the alternator.  And I know from experience this 
to be the case.

I have heard that some old internal regulated alternators do not have a sense 
connection but rather likely use the lamp connection for sensing.  Or maybe 
even some sense connections are connected to the a key powered switch.  In 
these cases, I could see how an alternator could be harmed by a sudden 
disconnect of the sense voltage.


-
Paul E.
1981 C 38 Landfall 
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

> On Jul 20, 2016, at 12:00 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote:
> 
> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:54:27 -0600
> From: Lorne Serpa >
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Relocating the Yanmar key now alternator..
> Message-ID:
>   

Re: Stus-List Relocating the Yanmar key now alternator..

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

It is hard to say for sure what your regulator is going to control voltage
at and without know what type of batteries you have it is hard to know what
voltage it should be.  Normal car alternators control at about 14.4v.  A
lead-acid battery is considered to be fully charged when the resting
voltage is at 12.7v... But that is after it has set for a while or once the
the "overcharge" has been removed.

You most likely did no damage if the alternator is still putting out a
charge and 13.5v is definitely a charge.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jul 20, 2016 10:55 AM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Hum,  I.  New to this boat and boats with diesel engines.  Numerous times
> past couple weeks have turned key off without killing the engine.  I have a
> 20gm. How do I know if I did damage? Check battery voltage while engine is
> running? Should be 13.5 or so?
>
> Lorne Serpa
> C 30MKII 1988
> Friendship,  MD
> On Jul 20, 2016 12:50 AM, "Leslie Paal via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Small correction:
>> "The sudden high
>>  current overheats the diodes and they fail open"
>> When the battery is disconnected while the alternator is charging the
>> existing field current will generate a high voltage spike that exceeds the
>> reverse voltage breakdown value.  Normal diodes are rated for 60-100V
>> reverse voltage.  The spike can be lot more; depending how high was the
>> charging current (more>higher).  The P/N junction will punch through, the
>> resulting localized current can make it open or short.
>>
>> Overloading forward (normal direction) current will heat the chip and the
>> carefully placed 'impurities' will migrate and make the diode a little or
>> lot leaky.  Unless you fuse the internal connection, the open.
>>
>> Leslie.
>> Phoenix C 1983
>>
>> 
>> On Tue, 7/19/16, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  wrote:
>>
>>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Relocating the Yanmar key now alternator..
>>  To: "C List" 
>>  Cc: "Josh Muckley" 
>>  Date: Tuesday, July 19, 2016, 9:31 AM
>>
>>  I have heard
>>  all of this before and am still electrically confused.  I
>>  have a few theories but no proof.  In the face of my
>>  theories is the fact that it is not consistently
>>  repeatable.  So here goes.
>>  Turn the battery off while running and the
>>  alternator suddenly goes to full output kinda like shifting
>>  to 1st while going 70mph.  I get that.  The sudden high
>>  current overheats the diodes and they fail open.
>>  Turn the key off while running and one of two
>>  things happens.  1st option is that nothing about the
>>  alternator is wired to the ignition and nothing happens.  I
>>
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Stus-List Keel bulge around near keel bolt

[Eugene Fodor via CnC-List]

Hi There,

I'm looking to get some opinions on how to treat some bulging around one of
my keel bolts. It is symmetrical and I believe it is from a small amount of
water intrusion around the bolt and then freezing during the winter. The
recommendation from the marina was to drill holes into the bulge and drain
and then fill with epoxy and hammer it in so that it drives deep into the
gaps. And then remove the keel nuts in the bilge and epoxy around the bolt
base to fill any gaps and prevent further intrusion.

Anyone else have this problem? What did you do and was it effective?

Thanks,

Gene Fodor
"Hawk"
C 29-2
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Stus-List Relocating the Yanmar key now alternator..

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi Lorne, 

If your charging warning light is not "on" constantly, you should be OK. 

It appears the  2GM's are not as likely to be  affected. 

Good Luck, 

Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take five"
Lake Lanier, GA

 



Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:29:47 -0600
From: Message: 2
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:54:27 -0600
From: Lorne Serpa 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Relocating the Yanmar key now alternator..
Message-ID:
 

Re: Stus-List Relocating the Yanmar key now alternator..

[Lorne Serpa via CnC-List]

Hum,  I.  New to this boat and boats with diesel engines.  Numerous times
past couple weeks have turned key off without killing the engine.  I have a
20gm. How do I know if I did damage? Check battery voltage while engine is
running? Should be 13.5 or so?

Lorne Serpa
C 30MKII 1988
Friendship,  MD
On Jul 20, 2016 12:50 AM, "Leslie Paal via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Small correction:
> "The sudden high
>  current overheats the diodes and they fail open"
> When the battery is disconnected while the alternator is charging the
> existing field current will generate a high voltage spike that exceeds the
> reverse voltage breakdown value.  Normal diodes are rated for 60-100V
> reverse voltage.  The spike can be lot more; depending how high was the
> charging current (more>higher).  The P/N junction will punch through, the
> resulting localized current can make it open or short.
>
> Overloading forward (normal direction) current will heat the chip and the
> carefully placed 'impurities' will migrate and make the diode a little or
> lot leaky.  Unless you fuse the internal connection, the open.
>
> Leslie.
> Phoenix C 1983
>
> 
> On Tue, 7/19/16, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  wrote:
>
>  Subject: Re: Stus-List Relocating the Yanmar key now alternator..
>  To: "C List" 
>  Cc: "Josh Muckley" 
>  Date: Tuesday, July 19, 2016, 9:31 AM
>
>  I have heard
>  all of this before and am still electrically confused.  I
>  have a few theories but no proof.  In the face of my
>  theories is the fact that it is not consistently
>  repeatable.  So here goes.
>  Turn the battery off while running and the
>  alternator suddenly goes to full output kinda like shifting
>  to 1st while going 70mph.  I get that.  The sudden high
>  current overheats the diodes and they fail open.
>  Turn the key off while running and one of two
>  things happens.  1st option is that nothing about the
>  alternator is wired to the ignition and nothing happens.  I
>
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Stus-List 30MKII how are the windows attached?

[Lorne Serpa via CnC-List]

One of my exterior windows is leaking. How are the attached and removed? It
looks like there's four little round holes are those screws to hold them to
the boat?

Lorne Serpa
C 30MKII 1988
Friendship,  MD
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Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

OD as in One Design, like a Melges 20, J/22 etc.
The class rules cover weight, sails, sometimes even
this size of all the running rigging. In larger fleets
there are tuning documents, some are so detailed
they will recommend shroud tension by wind and
wave conditions, Most fleets have accurate polars
because the boats should be the same, and sail
the same. After a while every detail is wrung out
to what is the fastest settings and what speed
you will get.

On the newest designs a lot of the set up is calculated
by computer before the boats hit the water.

With our generation there was a lot of production
differences, sometimes +/- over a hundred pounds
of weight, and possibly no one has the same sails
even if they are ~ 155%. At best a polar would be
a very rough guide.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1


 From:   RANDY  
 To:   cnc-list  
 Cc:   Michael Brown  
 Sent:   7/19/2016 6:36 PM 
 Subject:   Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing 


 

Way to go Michael!


One question: what did you mean by "OD" (in "It is not a OD where a computer 
has figured out the precise point to set everything, and anything even slightly 
off is slower").


Cheers,
Randy




From: "Michael Brown via CnC-List" 
To: "cnc-list" 
Cc: "Michael Brown" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 7:59:18 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing


I am just back from 47 hours of racing a C 30-1, the Lake Ontario 300
Scotch Bonnet course. We do the Double Handed Flying Sail class, and
carry both a symmetrical and asymmetrical spinnakers.


As usual Lake Ontario presents a wide range of sailing conditions even
over 2 days, ranging from dead air for a couple of hours trying to round
Scotch Bonnet to 31 kts apparent on the nose coming in to the Niagara mark.


The 30-1 seems to handle everything OK. Hard to summarize any specific
characteristics but as others have mentioned upgrade the rigging so you
can correctly trim the sails even under heavy load. Despite being 30' they
lines will load up a lot. I have the big boat harken main traveler with a
4:1 primary sheet and a further 4:1 fine adjuster. I put on captive ball
genoa tracks this year and adjust them all the time now under load.


There is still some magic in these old boats. Windburn took first in class,
first in fleet ( pretty much the same ) and first corrected all boats in the
Scotch Bonnet course. We had aspirations of line honors even against
boats like the J/33, Jenneau 50 and C 115 but the aforementioned
dead air at Scotch Bonnet killed our miles of lead over the fleet.


So sail your C 30 hard, watch your VMG and trim constantly. It is
not a OD where a computer has figured out the precise point to set
everything, and anything even slightly off is slower. The 30-1 will
handle way more sail area in a breeze than conventional wisdom
will recommend.


And have lots of fun!


Michael Brown
Windburn
C 30-1 

Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:15:57 -0400 
From: "Gary Nylander"  
To:  
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing 
Message-ID: <000501d1e1bf$bc5dc4c0$35194e40$@atlanticbb.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
 
Recommend not to pinch, the boat seems to want to be free. Also, you should 
have inboard genoa tracks to help pointing, but need to sheet the genoa 
outboard for reaching. My tracks are about four feet aft of the shrouds, in 
line with them and are six feet long? I have adjustable cars (Garhauer) but use 
a snatch block on the rail when reaching. I set the rig tension on the medium 
to loose side, but race in mostly light air. Selection is a 155, 140, 110 ? all 
Dacron (had high tech but when they fail?they fail big and my budget didn?t fit 
getting new ones every four years). 
 
Gary 
 
#593 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steven 
Tattrie via CnC-List 
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 9:13 AM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Steven Tattrie  
Subject: Stus-List C 30 MK1 PHRF racing 
 
Hi, 
 
I have been PHRF racing at our local club, this is my first year with a C 30 
MK1 (1979) is there a thread or anyone have comments on getting the best out of 
the boat, eg tight rigging, rake, sail selection, strength or weaknesses 
specific to the 30 to stay competitive? I have been sailing for a couple 
decades so not looking for general sailing tips. I want to know what is best 
for the 30MK1 or hear from your experience what work best. 
 
I am pointing well, though wounder if I should pinch more or be more off the 
wind for speed? I seemed to be passed on reaching and running. 
 
FYI - we have about half a dozen 30 MK1 racing a couple redwings, a 32 and 35 
MK1 racing. All C 
 
Stevetensions on 

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