Re: Stus-List New Stripin g...

2017-10-17 Thread Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
Do you use it parallel or perpendicular to the strip?

Neil
C&C32, Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661

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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 6:31:47 PM
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Cc: Dennis C.
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Stripin g...

Like Gary said, use a 3M Stripe Off wheel and a drill.  It was recommended by 
the guy that painted my boat and it really works.  Took my cove stripe off 
quickly and completely with no damage to underlying paint.  It's just a big 
round gum eraser.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 9:33 AM, David via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

So I am putting on new name graphics and hull striping.   Assuming a good clean 
of the old striping, could I not lay the new over the old and eliminate the 
seemingly arduous (it being in a recess) step of removing it all?


Thanks in advance


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Re: Stus-List New Stripin g...

2017-10-17 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Like Gary said, use a 3M Stripe Off wheel and a drill.  It was recommended
by the guy that painted my boat and it really works.  Took my cove stripe
off quickly and completely with no damage to underlying paint.  It's just a
big round gum eraser.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 9:33 AM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> So I am putting on new name graphics and hull striping.   Assuming a good
> clean of the old striping, could I not lay the new over the old and
> eliminate the seemingly arduous (it being in a recess) step of removing it
> all?
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
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Re: Stus-List New Stripin g...

2017-10-17 Thread Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
I’ve used something called elbow grease.  My father recommended it to me years 
ago, but I’ve yet to find it in our local stores.

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic (Formerly Brain Wave, Formerly Orion)

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 11:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Matthew L. Wolford 
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Stripin g...

 

Somebody makes a spray-on graphics remover that I used a few years ago.  It 
worked well as I recall, although multiple applications were required for some 
of the more tenacious areas.  Unfortunately, I can’t remember the name of the 
stuff.  Someone on the list may know.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 10:52 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com   

Cc: David   

Subject: Re: Stus-List New Stripin g...

 

Andy,

 

Thanks but I speak of overlaying the stripes/stars and not the name and hailing 
port.  It seems that getting the striping out of the recesses will be much 
harder than the flush surface name/hailing. 

 

Did you remove the striping with scraper and heat gun/hair dryer as well?

 

 

 

David F. Risch

(401) 419-4650 (cell)

 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 10:41 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Andrew Burton
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Stripin g... 

 

No, you'll get an uneven finish on the new graphics. You'll also be sticking 
the nice new stuff to lettering stuck on with  old glue. here are some tips 
from one of Sail Magazine's "experts." :)

https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/removing-and-applying-vinyl-lettering 

 

 

Andy

C&C 40

Peregrine

 

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, David via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

So I am putting on new name graphics and hull striping.   Assuming a good clean 
of the old striping, could I not lay the new over the old and eliminate the 
seemingly arduous (it being in a recess) step of removing it all?

 

Thanks in advance

 


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Re: Stus-List New Striping g...

2017-10-17 Thread Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
I just removed the old name. I think the Cove stripe and C&C star are painted 
on my boat.

Andy 
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

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> On Oct 17, 2017, at 13:05, Paul Fountain via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I’ll second that – did the stripes and stars on Perception with one – just 
> did a 2 year old hailing port on a friends boat and had more glue to clean up 
> after but also easier than a heat gun and scraping.
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick 
> Taillieu via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 11:02 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Rick Taillieu 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New Striping g...
>  
> Use a 3M Stripe Removal Wheel.
>  
> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Stripe-Off-Wheel?N=5002385+3293162209&rt=rud
>  
>  
> Rick Taillieu
> Boatless
> Leamington, Ontario
>  
>  
>  
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> To: CNC CNC
> Cc: David
> Subject: Stus-List New Stripin g...
>  
> So I am putting on new name graphics and hull striping.   Assuming a good 
> clean of the old striping, could I not lay the new over the old and eliminate 
> the seemingly arduous (it being in a recess) step of removing it all?
>  
> Thanks in advance
>  
>  
> 
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Re: Stus-List New Stripin g...

2017-10-17 Thread Gary Russell via CnC-List 
Use a 3M Stripe off wheel.  See here
.
It is safe for Awlgrip and gelcoat.  It sounds scary, but it is much easier
and safer than a heat gun.  Final result here

.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C&C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

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On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> So I am putting on new name graphics and hull striping.   Assuming a good
> clean of the old striping, could I not lay the new over the old and
> eliminate the seemingly arduous (it being in a recess) step of removing it
> all?
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List New Engine, now what size alternator

2017-10-17 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 

More info – this is a good read:
http://www.eastpennmanufacturing.com/wp-content/uploads/Guide-to-VRLA-Batteries-1927.pdf

More thoughts on alternators. When you look at a “big” alternator, look at the 
degraded output while hot, not the cold output. Then look at the output at your 
cruising and idle RPMs, not the max RPM the alternator is capable of. You may 
well find out the 120 amp alternator is derated to 90-100 when hot and only 
doing 80 at your cruise RPM and 40 (or less) at idle. Your big gain may be 
putting out much more than your stock alternator at lower RPMs, not in the max 
possible output. You should also hopefully gain a more robust unit. The usual 
progression we had back in the day was customer bought big batteries and then 
came back for a 3 stage regulator, then the burned out their stock alternator 
and came back again for a better alternator to go with the new batteries and 
new regulator. Any auto-derived alternator was originally designed for smallish 
batteries with thin plates that charge very fast on startup and taper off 
quickly, not putting out max output for hours on end.

Joe
Coquina

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Re: Stus-List New Striping g...

2017-10-17 Thread Paul Fountain via CnC-List 
I'll second that - did the stripes and stars on Perception with one - just did 
a 2 year old hailing port on a friends boat and had more glue to clean up after 
but also easier than a heat gun and scraping.

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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 11:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Rick Taillieu 
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Striping g...

Use a 3M Stripe Removal Wheel.

https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Stripe-Off-Wheel?N=5002385+3293162209&rt=rud


Rick Taillieu
Boatless
Leamington, Ontario



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Subject: Stus-List New Stripin g...


So I am putting on new name graphics and hull striping.   Assuming a good clean 
of the old striping, could I not lay the new over the old and eliminate the 
seemingly arduous (it being in a recess) step of removing it all?



Thanks in advance



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Re: Stus-List New Engine, now what size alternator

2017-10-17 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
Even if the car battery is dead and I push start the car it doesn’t severely 
overcharge itself. The battery chemistry controls the charge rate and it only 
can physically draw so much power.
Take a look here:
http://www.eastpennmanufacturing.com/wp-content/uploads/Deka-Dominator-Gel-Marine_RV-Flyer-0909.pdf

You can see a graph of charging current accepted by various sized batteries at 
their suggested constant charging voltage. A 4D gel battery that is about 190 
AH starts out at 55 amps or so. This is true with a charging source capable of 
100 amps or 1000 or 100,000. You can try to force 100 amps into a battery that 
is accepting 50 amps at its correct charge voltage. You CAN turn the voltage up 
until 100 amps goes in. It won’t be transferred into stored energy though if it 
exceeds max %C or max voltage limits, it will damage the battery in one way or 
another by excess heat and gassing, perhaps permanently. Kind of like 
overdriving speakers, the power is not doing useful work any longer. But what 
you CAN do with batteries at least is charge higher than the suggested float 
voltage – within limits of the battery capacity – to force more current in when 
they are low and back off when they fill up. You could call Dekka and ask what 
the max allowable charge current is for that 4D and what the max voltage is at 
your running temperature and set the regulator appropriately.

Joe
Coquina
BTW – my car is set to 13.9 volts. It actually could use a gel and not kill it. 
No idea why, it came that way. OTOH an airplane I was flying once got way over 
28 volts and when I went to check the batteries the top blew off one and 
sprayed acid all over. I’d be blind if I had taken my glasses off, I got some 
right on the lenses.

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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 11:32 AM
To: C&C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Engine, now what size alternator

Joe,

Your car battery does not "explode" (or more appropriately "get damaged") 
because it is not very deeply discharged between cycles.  The battery voltage 
quickly reaches 14.4v (because that is what car regulators are set at) and then 
maintains 14.4v by varying the current depending on the electrical loads.  The 
regulator leaves bulk charge mode quickly (if it even ever begins) and then 
reduces current.

Besides, exploding isn't really the issue.  I believe that the issue is 
excessive electrolysis and localized boiling despite overall low bulk battery 
temperature.  In a properly maintained wet-cell the owner would ensure that 
this lost water was made up for.  If it were to happen more often than normal 
or predicted by the manufacturer, then even an attentive owner might not detect 
a low level before damage was done.  In the case of AGM and gel-cells this 
water CANNOT be replaced and the effects are perminent.

Yes a good regulator can be set to reduce output (ironically this seems to be 
in contradiction to the idea of having a higher output alternator to charge 
faster) and yes it can include a temperature detection.  Unfortunately 
proximity of the batteries to the regulator can make temperature monitoring a 
challenge.

Ultimately, my original point was that while there are wide-ish margins 
associated with electrical system design, simply getting a high output 
alternator can cause more problems than they solve and the disadvantages need 
to be considered.  Getting AGM or gell cells are popular but not without their 
disadvantages as well.

In a sort of analogous way, I'm currently working on a speaker project.  In 
selecting components, I'm finding speakers with options of between 50w and 90w 
(my load - the analog of batteries).  Then I realize I'm only driving them with 
a 20w OEM amp (my source - the analog of a low output alternator).  Do the new 
speakers have added advantages besides higher power rating - yes.  Will they be 
louder for the same volume setting - maybe but that is a function of their 
efficiency not their power rating.  Similary, I could replace the amp but the 
OEM speakers would not accept the added power.  Does this mean that the OEM 
speakers will automatically be blown - no because at low and even reasonable 
volume I'm not over powering the original rating.  Although, the high power amp 
does create the ability and increased chance of accidentally overpowering the 
speakers.  Does it mean that even the OEM speakers will be loader (for the same 
volume setting) - probably, but then I'll turn the volume down to prevent 
damaging my ears and ultimately the speakers.

Josh


On Oct 17, 2017 10:35 AM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Batteries have an acceptance curve. You can see a plot of amps absorbed at a 
given discharge state and charge voltage that assume that the capacity of the 
charging source is infinite. The idea that the batteries absorb whatever the 
alternator can produce

Re: Stus-List Aqua Signal Impossible Bolt

2017-10-17 Thread David via CnC-List 
Len,


Sent you an email yesterday.  Its me who needs the bolt.   Please call or text 
my cell and I will give you address.   I will make donation in your name to 
Stu.  Thanks!


David F. Risch

(401) 419-4650 (cell)



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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 12:33 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: David Miles
Subject: Re: Stus-List Aqua Signal Impossible Bolt

Hi Len,
I don't recall looking for a bolt, so perhaps I am the wrong David.
That, or my memory is more selective than I thought.
Thx for the followup though.

Best regards,
David Miles
C&C 30Mk2 (115) Impulse


On October 16, 2017 08:45:07 Len Mitchell via CnC-List
 wrote:

> David, I am catching up on my email this morning. I recently replaced my
> running lights with LEDs and I have the bolt you are looking for. Ron said
> he may have one and he may have already solved your bolt issue. Let me know
> if you still need one.
> Len Mitchell
> Crazy Legs
> 1989 37+
> Midland On.
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Re: Stus-List Aqua Signal Impossible Bolt

2017-10-17 Thread David Miles via CnC-List 

Hi Len,
I don't recall looking for a bolt, so perhaps I am the wrong David.
That, or my memory is more selective than I thought.
Thx for the followup though.

Best regards,
David Miles
C&C 30Mk2 (115) Impulse


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 wrote:


David, I am catching up on my email this morning. I recently replaced my 
running lights with LEDs and I have the bolt you are looking for. Ron said 
he may have one and he may have already solved your bolt issue. Let me know 
if you still need one.

Len Mitchell
Crazy Legs
1989 37+
Midland On.
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Re: Stus-List New Stripin g...

2017-10-17 Thread svpegasus38 via CnC-List 
I used a heat gun, and plastic scraper to remove my old graphics, to remove the 
old glue I used Ez-off oven cleaner (the lemon stuff) and a green scratchy pad. 
Worked great. 


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Stus-List New Stripin g... 



Somebody makes a spray-on graphics remover that I used a few years 
ago.  It worked well as I recall, although multiple applications were 
required for some of the more tenacious areas.  Unfortunately, I can’t 
remember the name of the stuff.  Someone on the list may know.


 

From: David via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 10:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: David 
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Stripin g...
 


Andy,
 
Thanks but I speak of overlaying the stripes/stars and not the name and 
hailing port.  It seems that getting the striping out of the recesses will 
be much harder than the flush surface name/hailing. 
 
Did you remove the striping with scraper and heat gun/hair dryer as 
well?

 
 
 


David F. Risch

(401) 419-4650 (cell)






From: CnC-List 
 on behalf of Andrew Burton via CnC-List 

Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 10:41 
AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew 
Burton
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Stripin g... 
 


No, you'll get an uneven finish on the new graphics. You'll also be 
sticking the nice new stuff to lettering stuck on with  old glue. here are 
some tips from one of Sail Magazine's "experts." :)
https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/removing-and-applying-vinyl-lettering
 
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

 
On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, David via CnC-List 
 wrote:


  
  
  So I am putting on new name graphics and hull striping.   
  Assuming a good clean of the old striping, could I not lay the new over the 
  old and eliminate the seemingly arduous (it being in a recess) step of 
  removing it all?
   
  Thanks in advance

   
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Re: Stus-List New Engine, now what size alternator

2017-10-17 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Joe,

Your car battery does not "explode" (or more appropriately "get damaged")
because it is not very deeply discharged between cycles.  The battery
voltage quickly reaches 14.4v (because that is what car regulators are set
at) and then maintains 14.4v by varying the current depending on the
electrical loads.  The regulator leaves bulk charge mode quickly (if it
even ever begins) and then reduces current.

Besides, exploding isn't really the issue.  I believe that the issue is
excessive electrolysis and localized boiling despite overall low bulk
battery temperature.  In a properly maintained wet-cell the owner would
ensure that this lost water was made up for.  If it were to happen more
often than normal or predicted by the manufacturer, then even an attentive
owner might not detect a low level before damage was done.  In the case of
AGM and gel-cells this water CANNOT be replaced and the effects are
perminent.

Yes a good regulator can be set to reduce output (ironically this seems to
be in contradiction to the idea of having a higher output alternator to
charge faster) and yes it can include a temperature detection.
Unfortunately proximity of the batteries to the regulator can make
temperature monitoring a challenge.

Ultimately, my original point was that while there are wide-ish margins
associated with electrical system design, simply getting a high output
alternator can cause more problems than they solve and the disadvantages
need to be considered.  Getting AGM or gell cells are popular but not
without their disadvantages as well.

In a sort of analogous way, I'm currently working on a speaker project.  In
selecting components, I'm finding speakers with options of between 50w and
90w (my load - the analog of batteries).  Then I realize I'm only
driving them with a 20w OEM amp (my source - the analog of a low output
alternator).  Do the new speakers have added advantages besides higher
power rating - yes.  Will they be louder for the same volume setting -
maybe but that is a function of their efficiency not their power rating.
Similary, I could replace the amp but the OEM speakers would not accept the
added power.  Does this mean that the OEM speakers will automatically be
blown - no because at low and even reasonable volume I'm not over powering
the original rating.  Although, the high power amp does create the ability
and increased chance of accidentally overpowering the speakers.  Does it
mean that even the OEM speakers will be loader (for the same volume
setting) - probably, but then I'll turn the volume down to prevent damaging
my ears and ultimately the speakers.

Josh


On Oct 17, 2017 10:35 AM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:



Batteries have an acceptance curve. You can see a plot of amps absorbed at
a given discharge state and charge voltage that assume that the capacity of
the charging source is infinite. The idea that the batteries absorb
whatever the alternator can produce is a common one, even though it is
wrong. For one example, my car has a 120 amp alternator and a 50 AH wet
cell battery. The battery does not explode every time I start the car J

It is commonly stated that wet cells charge at 0.25C max and gel types are
0.5C max. This is largely due to the chemistry, the wet cell batteries
**restrict
themselves** to 0.25C. If you are charging the batteries too hard, there
are a few ways to fix it. One is a temperature sensor on the battery. If
excess charging heats the battery, the voltage will back off. Another is a
sophisticated regulator that can control amp output as well as voltage.
Back in the day we used this feature to save belts and drag on the engine
more so than for battery issues. The third way is adjusting the voltage
setpoints. In my experience too much charging is the last problem you’ll
ever have on a sailboat, but say you did. Your 220 amp golf cart wet cell
bank is my some miracle accepting 140 amps instead of the desired 55 amps
and somehow the temp sensor is not backing it off or you don’t have a temp
sensor. Just do a test with low batteries and reduce the set point on the
regulator to see the desired 55 amp charge current. By far the bigger issue
is set points too high for the float mode, so you leave the dock with full
batteries and end up wrecking/boiling them with float voltage way too high.

The slow speed charging rate is also very important to sailboats. Figure
out your pulley ratios and look at the output curves of various
alternators. You may find the 180 amp version puts out no more than the 120
amp version at low engine speeds and you may find out no alternator is
going to get you much running at idle at anchor. I went through a few
alternators to settle on a Balmar 60 amp unit on my boat. It puts out a
fair amount more than the 120 amp 10si it replaced at low and medium RPMs,
which is not a thing for powerboats but very much is for us. Those of us
with Atomic 4s suffer from small engine pulleys that make it hard to get

Re: Stus-List New Stripin g...

2017-10-17 Thread Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
Somebody makes a spray-on graphics remover that I used a few years ago.  It 
worked well as I recall, although multiple applications were required for some 
of the more tenacious areas.  Unfortunately, I can’t remember the name of the 
stuff.  Someone on the list may know.

From: David via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 10:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: David 
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Stripin g...

Andy,



Thanks but I speak of overlaying the stripes/stars and not the name and hailing 
port.  It seems that getting the striping out of the recesses will be much 
harder than the flush surface name/hailing. 



Did you remove the striping with scraper and heat gun/hair dryer as well?








David F. Risch


(401) 419-4650 (cell)








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Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 10:41 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List New Stripin g... 

No, you'll get an uneven finish on the new graphics. You'll also be sticking 
the nice new stuff to lettering stuck on with  old glue. here are some tips 
from one of Sail Magazine's "experts." :)
https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/removing-and-applying-vinyl-lettering

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, David via CnC-List  
wrote:

  So I am putting on new name graphics and hull striping.   Assuming a good 
clean of the old striping, could I not lay the new over the old and eliminate 
the seemingly arduous (it being in a recess) step of removing it all?



  Thanks in advance





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Re: Stus-List New Striping g...

2017-10-17 Thread Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
Use the 3M wheel that Rick is recommending. You’ll be done in 20 easy minutes….

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Oct 17, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Rick Taillieu via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Use a 3M Stripe Removal Wheel.
>  
> https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Stripe-Off-Wheel?N=5002385+3293162209&rt=rud
>  
> 
>  
>  
> Rick Taillieu
> Boatless 
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> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
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> Subject: Stus-List New Stripin g...
>  
> So I am putting on new name graphics and hull striping.   Assuming a good 
> clean of the old striping, could I not lay the new over the old and eliminate 
> the seemingly arduous (it being in a recess) step of removing it all?
>  
> Thanks in advance
>  
>  
>  
> 
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Re: Stus-List New Striping g...

2017-10-17 Thread Rick Taillieu via CnC-List 
Use a 3M Stripe Removal Wheel.

 

https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/all-3m-products/~/3M-Stripe-Off-Wheel
?N=5002385+3293162209
 &rt=rud

 

 

Rick Taillieu

Boatless 

Leamington, Ontario

 

 

 

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Subject: Stus-List New Stripin g...

 

So I am putting on new name graphics and hull striping.   Assuming a good
clean of the old striping, could I not lay the new over the old and
eliminate the seemingly arduous (it being in a recess) step of removing it
all?

 

Thanks in advance

 

 


 
 

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Re: Stus-List New Stripin g...

2017-10-17 Thread Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
That's why I used quotation marks. Obviously just another hack!

Andy
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On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> What does THAT guy know?  :)
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> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> No, you'll get an uneven finish on the new graphics. You'll also be
>> sticking the nice new stuff to lettering stuck on with  old glue. here are
>> some tips from one of Sail Magazine's "experts." :)
>> https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/removing-and-applying-vinyl-lettering
>>
>> Andy
>> C&C 40
>> Peregrine
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, David via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So I am putting on new name graphics and hull striping.   Assuming a
>>> good clean of the old striping, could I not lay the new over the old and
>>> eliminate the seemingly arduous (it being in a recess) step of removing it
>>> all?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
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Re: Stus-List New Stripin g...

2017-10-17 Thread David via CnC-List 
Andy,


Thanks but I speak of overlaying the stripes/stars and not the name and hailing 
port.  It seems that getting the striping out of the recesses will be much 
harder than the flush surface name/hailing.


Did you remove the striping with scraper and heat gun/hair dryer as well?




David F. Risch

(401) 419-4650 (cell)



From: CnC-List  on behalf of Andrew Burton via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 10:41 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Burton
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Stripin g...

No, you'll get an uneven finish on the new graphics. You'll also be sticking 
the nice new stuff to lettering stuck on with  old glue. here are some tips 
from one of Sail Magazine's "experts." :)
https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/removing-and-applying-vinyl-lettering

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, David via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

So I am putting on new name graphics and hull striping.   Assuming a good clean 
of the old striping, could I not lay the new over the old and eliminate the 
seemingly arduous (it being in a recess) step of removing it all?


Thanks in advance


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2017-10-17 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
What does THAT guy know?  :)

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On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 10:41 AM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> No, you'll get an uneven finish on the new graphics. You'll also be
> sticking the nice new stuff to lettering stuck on with  old glue. here are
> some tips from one of Sail Magazine's "experts." :)
> https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/removing-and-applying-vinyl-lettering
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, David via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> So I am putting on new name graphics and hull striping.   Assuming a good
>> clean of the old striping, could I not lay the new over the old and
>> eliminate the seemingly arduous (it being in a recess) step of removing it
>> all?
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List New Stripin g...

2017-10-17 Thread Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
No, you'll get an uneven finish on the new graphics. You'll also be
sticking the nice new stuff to lettering stuck on with  old glue. here are
some tips from one of Sail Magazine's "experts." :)
https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/removing-and-applying-vinyl-lettering

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 10:33 AM, David via CnC-List 
wrote:

> So I am putting on new name graphics and hull striping.   Assuming a good
> clean of the old striping, could I not lay the new over the old and
> eliminate the seemingly arduous (it being in a recess) step of removing it
> all?
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
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Re: Stus-List New Engine, now what size alternator

2017-10-17 Thread Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 

Batteries have an acceptance curve. You can see a plot of amps absorbed at a 
given discharge state and charge voltage that assume that the capacity of the 
charging source is infinite. The idea that the batteries absorb whatever the 
alternator can produce is a common one, even though it is wrong. For one 
example, my car has a 120 amp alternator and a 50 AH wet cell battery. The 
battery does not explode every time I start the car ☺
It is commonly stated that wet cells charge at 0.25C max and gel types are 0.5C 
max. This is largely due to the chemistry, the wet cell batteries *restrict 
themselves* to 0.25C. If you are charging the batteries too hard, there are a 
few ways to fix it. One is a temperature sensor on the battery. If excess 
charging heats the battery, the voltage will back off. Another is a 
sophisticated regulator that can control amp output as well as voltage. Back in 
the day we used this feature to save belts and drag on the engine more so than 
for battery issues. The third way is adjusting the voltage setpoints. In my 
experience too much charging is the last problem you’ll ever have on a 
sailboat, but say you did. Your 220 amp golf cart wet cell bank is my some 
miracle accepting 140 amps instead of the desired 55 amps and somehow the temp 
sensor is not backing it off or you don’t have a temp sensor. Just do a test 
with low batteries and reduce the set point on the regulator to see the desired 
55 amp charge current. By far the bigger issue is set points too high for the 
float mode, so you leave the dock with full batteries and end up 
wrecking/boiling them with float voltage way too high.
The slow speed charging rate is also very important to sailboats. Figure out 
your pulley ratios and look at the output curves of various alternators. You 
may find the 180 amp version puts out no more than the 120 amp version at low 
engine speeds and you may find out no alternator is going to get you much 
running at idle at anchor. I went through a few alternators to settle on a 
Balmar 60 amp unit on my boat. It puts out a fair amount more than the 120 amp 
10si it replaced at low and medium RPMs, which is not a thing for powerboats 
but very much is for us. Those of us with Atomic 4s suffer from small engine 
pulleys that make it hard to get any decent output at low RPMs.

Joe
Coquina

* none of this applies to Lithium batteries. You can blow them up real good 
without a specialized battery management system

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
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Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 9:32 PM
To: C&C List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: Josh Muckley mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Stus-List New Engine, now what size alternator

Joe, the damage I was considering would be caused by exceeding the charge rate 
for the bank size.  The conventional wisdom is that typical lead acid batteries 
should not be charged at a rate greater than 25% of their capacity.  A 100 AHr 
battery would be limited to 25 amps.  Isn't it possible to exceed the charge 
rate with a good regulator?  Particularly applicable when the battery is more 
deeply discharged.

 All of the 3 and 4 stage regulators I've ever seen will ramp up to max amps 
and hold there until ~14.6 volts is reached (80% full - end of bulk charge) at 
which time the voltage will be held constant at ~14.6v as the amps are reduced. 
 Once the amps lower to ~2amps the regulator shifts to float mode and lowers 
the voltage to ~13.3v and holds it indefinitely.

As an example lets say that you are using a 100 amp alternator and regulator to 
charge a 100AHr battery bank that has been discharged to 50% capacity.  Isn't 
it likely that the charge current will ramp to 100 amps?  Or at least greater 
than 25 amps?  What other regulator function would prevent this from happening? 
 I suppose battery temperature could input to the alternator so as to reduce 
charge current.  Though, I'm not sure that battery temperature responds quickly 
enough to prevent early over current damage, only overcurrent damage as a 
result of longer term charging current which has been applied long enough to 
raise temperature to the threshold.

Josh

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Stus-List New Stripin g...

2017-10-17 Thread David via CnC-List 
So I am putting on new name graphics and hull striping.   Assuming a good clean 
of the old striping, could I not lay the new over the old and eliminate the 
seemingly arduous (it being in a recess) step of removing it all?


Thanks in advance

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