Re: Stus-List Toerail rebedding

[Eugene Fodor via CnC-List]

Hi Dennis and List Folks,

That's a good recommendation, I've used the Captain Tolley's on several
other leaky places on the boat with success, and this would be a decent way
to mitigate it for a few more years.

Curious if anyone else has rebedded their toerails and what was involved?

Thanks,

Gene


> Gene,
>
> Try applying multiple beads of Captain Tolley's Creeping Crack Cure to the
> toe rail/deck joint and to any fasteners you suspect before tackling
> rebedding the toe rail.  I find that stops most leaks.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] tri-color masthead light

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Me too.  I use a spin halyard and haul it higher with a light downhaul I keep 
rigged and let it light the coachroof and deck.

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

> On May 9, 2018 at 10:43 AM "Dennis C. via CnC-List"  
> wrote:
> 
> Just to reinforce the power boaters never look up thing, when anchored in 
> an active area, I always display an all around white light near deck level in 
> addition to the white all around on the masthead.  I use one of these draped 
> over the boom:
> 
> 
> https://store.marinebeam.com/utility-led-anchor-light-w-dusk-to-dawn-photocell-fx-ml-01/
> 
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
> 
> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 9:13 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > You can use it *under sail only* and *only by itself*.
> > 
> > I never use mine in the Bay. I used to use it, but after about the 
> > 5th time I almost got run over and yelled at for having no lights, I 
> > discovered powerboaters  do NOT look up. 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
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Re: Stus-List Lifeline Crimper

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Here are the instructions for using the Johnson Lever crimper. 
http://www.csjohnson.com/PDF/instructions/53-215_HC.pdf

  Note that they are only designed for hand crimp fittings and are not to be 
used on terminations that were designed for machine swaging.  Do Hayn fittings 
meet that criteria?

Just a word to the wise: never use hand crimped fittings for standing rigging.  
If you think having swaged fittings is too expensive for your boat, imaging 
what it would cost if your mast came down..

Chuck Gilchrest

S/V Half Magic

1983 Landfall 35

Padanaram, MA

 

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CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 12:50 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Lifeline Crimper

 

Gary,

 

I bought a used Johnson Lifeline No 15 lever crimper on eBay for under $100 a 
few years back.  Has worked well for me.  None out there now but one sold a 
couple months ago for $118.

 

IMHO, the lever crimpers are much better than the ones you have to turn with a 
wrench.  For one thing, the small crimpers require you to do 5 crimps, the 
lever crimpers only 3.  You need to rotate the crimp 180 degrees for each crimp 
otherwise the fitting will have a slight curve.

 

A word of caution, a used crimper may be out of tolerance due to overuse or 
abuse.  

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List 
 > wrote:

I am in the process of replacing my lifelines and am looking to buy a crimper 
to crimp the Hayn studs and gate rings, etc.  Can anyone recommend a reasonably 
priced crimper?  I've seen crimpers from $69 to $477 and can't tell the 
difference.

 

Gary

S/V Kaylarah

'90 C 37+

East Greenwich, RI, USA


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Re: Stus-List Lifeline Crimper

[Michael Cotton via CnC-List]

 I used Tri Power hydraulics in Warwick for swedging. Don't know if they still 
do it.  
On Wednesday, May 9, 2018, 10:51:02 AM MDT, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Gary,
I bought a used Johnson Lifeline No 15 lever crimper on eBay for under $100 a 
few years back.  Has worked well for me.  None out there now but one sold a 
couple months ago for $118.
IMHO, the lever crimpers are much better than the ones you have to turn with a 
wrench.  For one thing, the small crimpers require you to do 5 crimps, the 
lever crimpers only 3.  You need to rotate the crimp 180 degrees for each crimp 
otherwise the fitting will have a slight curve.
A word of caution, a used crimper may be out of tolerance due to overuse or 
abuse.  
Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA
On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List 
 wrote:

I am in the process of replacing my lifelines and am looking to buy a crimper 
to crimp the Hayn studs and gate rings, etc.  Can anyone recommend a reasonably 
priced crimper?  I've seen crimpers from $69 to $477 and can't tell the 
difference.
GaryS/V Kaylarah'90 C 37+East Greenwich, RI, USA
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Toerail rebedding

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I had good luck testing the following:
I did the Creeping Crack Cure and then painted a strip of FlexSeal on top of 
that. I estimate the leakage in the area I tried this on is about 99% reduced. 
Don’t skip the Crack Cure, it gets in crevices nothing else does.

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 10:47 AM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Toerail rebedding

Gene,

Try applying multiple beads of Captain Tolley's Creeping Crack Cure to the toe 
rail/deck joint and to any fasteners you suspect before tackling rebedding the 
toe rail.  I find that stops most leaks.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 4:39 PM, Eugene Fodor via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Hi All,

On my C 29 mk II, I believe I'm getting leaks from the toerail holes. Have 
any of you performed rebedding? Looking for any advise you might have.

 I found this article http://www.islander36.org/toerails.html on rebedding and 
am wondering if the process would be the same on my boat. Some of the things he 
does that I didn't think about is driving temporary screws through the 
deck-hull joint to make sure the deck doesn't pop off. I believe the bedding 
compound on the deck hull joint is still good, so I believe all I need to do is 
remove the toe rail, clean it up and then rebed. I'm not sure if I should use 
5200 or butyl tape. Thoughts?

Thanks,

Gene Fodor
"Hawk" -- C 29 mk II


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Re: Stus-List Lifeline Crimper

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Gary,

I bought a used Johnson Lifeline No 15 lever crimper on eBay for under $100
a few years back.  Has worked well for me.  None out there now but one sold
a couple months ago for $118.

IMHO, the lever crimpers are much better than the ones you have to turn
with a wrench.  For one thing, the small crimpers require you to do 5
crimps, the lever crimpers only 3.  You need to rotate the crimp 180
degrees for each crimp otherwise the fitting will have a slight curve.

A word of caution, a used crimper may be out of tolerance due to overuse or
abuse.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 10:56 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I am in the process of replacing my lifelines and am looking to buy a
> crimper to crimp the Hayn studs and gate rings, etc.  Can anyone recommend
> a reasonably priced crimper?  I've seen crimpers from $69 to $477 and can't
> tell the difference.
>
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
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>
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Stus-List Lifeline Crimper

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

I am in the process of replacing my lifelines and am looking to buy a
crimper to crimp the Hayn studs and gate rings, etc.  Can anyone recommend
a reasonably priced crimper?  I've seen crimpers from $69 to $477 and can't
tell the difference.

Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA
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Re: Stus-List Toerail rebedding

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Gene,

Try applying multiple beads of Captain Tolley's Creeping Crack Cure to the
toe rail/deck joint and to any fasteners you suspect before tackling
rebedding the toe rail.  I find that stops most leaks.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 4:39 PM, Eugene Fodor via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> On my C 29 mk II, I believe I'm getting leaks from the toerail holes.
> Have any of you performed rebedding? Looking for any advise you might have.
>
>  I found this article http://www.islander36.org/toerails.html on
> rebedding and am wondering if the process would be the same on my boat.
> Some of the things he does that I didn't think about is driving temporary
> screws through the deck-hull joint to make sure the deck doesn't pop off. I
> believe the bedding compound on the deck hull joint is still good, so I
> believe all I need to do is remove the toe rail, clean it up and then
> rebed. I'm not sure if I should use 5200 or butyl tape. Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gene Fodor
> "Hawk" -- C 29 mk II
>
>
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] tri-color masthead light

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Just to reinforce the power boaters never look up thing, when anchored in
an active area, I always display an all around white light near deck level
in addition to the white all around on the masthead.  I use one of these
draped over the boom:

https://store.marinebeam.com/utility-led-anchor-light-w-dusk-to-dawn-photocell-fx-ml-01/

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 9:13 AM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> You can use it **under sail only** and **only by itself**.
>
> I never use mine in the Bay. I used to use it, but after about the 5th
> time I almost got run over and yelled at for having no lights, I discovered
> powerboaters  do NOT look up.
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: tri-color masthead light

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Nothing until you get hit and your minesweeper towing a fishing boat while 
dredging lights did not accurately portray what you were really doing.
It does really annoy some people to see odd lights that make no sense. OTOH the 
local powerboaters seem to vary between no lights at all and random collections 
of lights they got from Ebay.
Joe
Coquina

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2018 10:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: bushma...@aol.com
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List tri-color masthead light

So what's the penalty for someone who does use both, (not me, of course, but I 
have seen it done)...???

Richard
s/v Bushmark4, 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


-Original Message-
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To: cnc-list >
Cc: David >
Sent: Wed, May 9, 2018 9:28 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List tri-color masthead light
Tri colors primary purpose is for offshore use. When coastal their height 
limits their usefulness. People are looking around the horizon for lights not 
30 to 60 feet in the air when coastal. Never have tricolor on and deck running 
lights on at the same time. Nor have a tricolor on and steaming light on at the 
same time. Never use an anchor light unless you're anchored.  And it's my 
understanding that there was no real purpose first strobe other than confusing 
the observer.
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Subject: Re: Stus-List tri-color masthead light

Chuck you are correct that you can use one or the other but not both. I prefer 
to use the deck lights in the bay because it is easier to judge distance. 
Offshore are use the masthead so the lights are visible for a greater distance 
and in the swells  Chuck you are correct that you can use one or the other but 
not both. I prefer to use the deck lights in the bay because it is easier to 
judge distance. Offshore are use the masthead so the lights are visible for a 
greater distance and in the swells

Joel

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 9:01 AM Chuck S via CnC-List 
> wrote:
Anyone know the regs on using Masthead Tri-Color lights.   Just want to do 
what's right on my boat this summer on Chesapeake Bay.  I believe you can use 
either but never both deck lights and the masthead tri-color.  Also thought I 
read that the masthead tri-color was intended for offshore and not allowed 
inshore so I may never use it.

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] tri-color masthead light

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

You can use it *under sail only* and *only by itself*.
I never use mine in the Bay. I used to use it, but after about the 5th time I 
almost got run over and yelled at for having no lights, I discovered 
powerboaters  do NOT look up. I do like it offshore, when the waves are 
spreader height the deck level lights don’t really show up at all. If you want 
to combine deck and masthead lights, you need 360 degree red over 360 degree 
green.
“Red over green, sailing machine”

Joe
Coquina

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To: CNC boat owners, cnc-list 
Cc: Chuck S 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Stus-List tri-color masthead light


Anyone know the regs on using Masthead Tri-Color lights.   Just want to do 
what's right on my boat this summer on Chesapeake Bay.  I believe you can use 
either but never both deck lights and the masthead tri-color.  Also thought I 
read that the masthead tri-color was intended for offshore and not allowed 
inshore so I may never use it.


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
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Re: Stus-List tri-color masthead light

[bushmark4--- via CnC-List]

 So what's the penalty for someone who does use both, (not me, of course, but I 
have seen it done)...???

 


Richard
s/v Bushmark4, 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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To: cnc-list 
Cc: David 
Sent: Wed, May 9, 2018 9:28 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List tri-color masthead light



Tri colors primary purpose is for offshore use. When coastal their height 
limits their usefulness. People are looking around the horizon for lights not 
30 to 60 feet in the air when coastal. Never have tricolor on and deck running 
lights on at the same time. Nor have a tricolor on and steaming light on at the 
same time. Never use an anchor light unless you're anchored.  And it's my 
understanding that there was no real purpose first strobe other than confusing 
the observer. 



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Subject: Re: Stus-List tri-color masthead light
 


Chuck you are correct that you can use one or the other but not both. I prefer 
to use the deck lights in the bay because it is easier to judge distance. 
Offshore are use the masthead so the lights are visible for a greater distance 
and in the swells  Chuck you are correct that you can use one or the other but 
not both. I prefer to use the deck lights in the bay because it is easier to 
judge distance. Offshore are use the masthead so the lights are visible for a 
greater distance and in the swells 


Joel


On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 9:01 AM Chuck S via CnC-List  
wrote:


Anyone know the regs on using Masthead Tri-Color lights.   Just want to do 
what's right on my boat this summer on Chesapeake Bay.  I believe you can 
useeither but never both deck lights and the masthead tri-color.  Also thought 
I read that the masthead tri-color was intended for offshore and not allowed 
inshore so I may never use it.  


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
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Re: Stus-List tri-color masthead light

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Thanks,

I like having the strobe as a way of differentiating my boat.  It's for 
emergency use only.  I like having it in case I'm not being seen by another 
vessel, I can flip it on until they get a bearing on me and then turn it off.  
Or if I call for assistance, it can visually mark my boat as the one needing 
help.


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md

> On May 9, 2018 at 9:27 AM David via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Tri colors primary purpose is for offshore use. When coastal their height 
> limits their usefulness. People are looking around the horizon for lights not 
> 30 to 60 feet in the air when coastal. Never have tricolor on and deck 
> running lights on at the same time. Nor have a tricolor on and steaming light 
> on at the same time. Never use an anchor light unless you're anchored.  And 
> it's my understanding that there was no real purpose first strobe other than 
> confusing the observer. 
> 
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> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Joel Aronson 
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 9:10:17 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Joel Aronson
> Subject: Re: Stus-List tri-color masthead light
>  
> Chuck you are correct that you can use one or the other but not both. I 
> prefer to use the deck lights in the bay because it is easier to judge 
> distance. Offshore are use the masthead so the lights are visible for a 
> greater distance and in the swells  Chuck you are correct that you can use 
> one or the other but not both. I prefer to use the deck lights in the bay 
> because it is easier to judge distance. Offshore are use the masthead so the 
> lights are visible for a greater distance and in the swells 
> 
> Joel
> 
> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 9:01 AM Chuck S via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > Anyone know the regs on using Masthead Tri-Color lights.   Just 
> > want to do what's right on my boat this summer on Chesapeake Bay.  I 
> > believe you can use either but never both deck lights and the masthead 
> > tri-color.  Also thought I read that the masthead tri-color was intended 
> > for offshore and not allowed inshore so I may never use it.  
> > 
> > 
> > Chuck
> > Resolute
> > 1990 C 34R
> > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
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Re: Stus-List tri-color masthead light

[David via CnC-List]

Tri colors primary purpose is for offshore use. When coastal their height 
limits their usefulness. People are looking around the horizon for lights not 
30 to 60 feet in the air when coastal. Never have tricolor on and deck running 
lights on at the same time. Nor have a tricolor on and steaming light on at the 
same time. Never use an anchor light unless you're anchored.  And it's my 
understanding that there was no real purpose first strobe other than confusing 
the observer.

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Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 9:10:17 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List tri-color masthead light

Chuck you are correct that you can use one or the other but not both. I prefer 
to use the deck lights in the bay because it is easier to judge distance. 
Offshore are use the masthead so the lights are visible for a greater distance 
and in the swells  Chuck you are correct that you can use one or the other but 
not both. I prefer to use the deck lights in the bay because it is easier to 
judge distance. Offshore are use the masthead so the lights are visible for a 
greater distance and in the swells

Joel

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 9:01 AM Chuck S via CnC-List 
> wrote:

Anyone know the regs on using Masthead Tri-Color lights.   Just want to do 
what's right on my boat this summer on Chesapeake Bay.  I believe you can use 
either but never both deck lights and the masthead tri-color.  Also thought I 
read that the masthead tri-color was intended for offshore and not allowed 
inshore so I may never use it.


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
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Re: Stus-List tri-color masthead light

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Chuck you are correct that you can use one or the other but not both. I
prefer to use the deck lights in the bay because it is easier to judge
distance. Offshore are use the masthead so the lights are visible for a
greater distance and in the swells  Chuck you are correct that you can use
one or the other but not both. I prefer to use the deck lights in the bay
because it is easier to judge distance. Offshore are use the masthead so
the lights are visible for a greater distance and in the swells

Joel

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 9:01 AM Chuck S via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Anyone know the regs on using Masthead Tri-Color lights.   Just want to do
> what's right on my boat this summer on Chesapeake Bay.  I believe you can
> use either but never both deck lights and the masthead tri-color.  Also
> thought I read that the masthead tri-color was intended for offshore and
> not allowed inshore so I may never use it.
>
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
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Stus-List tri-color masthead light

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Anyone know the regs on using Masthead Tri-Color lights.   Just want to do 
what's right on my boat this summer on Chesapeake Bay.  I believe you can use 
either but never both deck lights and the masthead tri-color.  Also thought I 
read that the masthead tri-color was intended for offshore and not allowed 
inshore so I may never use it.  


Chuck
Resolute
1990 C 34R
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